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Speaker 1: Personally the Oldsman.

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Speaker 2: The incredible stories are continuing. I can't wait for you

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Speaker 2: guys to listen to this interview. You may have heard

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Speaker 2: of this guy in a whole bunch of different ways.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you listen to one of his rap albums, or

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Speaker 2: maybe his country albums, or you followed along with him

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Speaker 2: on social media, or maybe from his famous grandfather. His

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Speaker 2: name is Struggle Jennings. He has a story full of resilience,

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Speaker 2: and he's been open and vulnerable about so many things

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Speaker 2: that have happened in his life. It's one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite interviews to date. So, without further ado, let's get

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Speaker 2: into it. I'm morgana here, I'm joined by Struggle Jennings,

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Speaker 2: and I'm really excited because Struggling I met Gosh three

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Speaker 2: or so years ago. We played in the Folds Honor

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Speaker 2: Celebrities softball game. So Struggle, thanks for joining me. This

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Speaker 2: is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Now, thanks for having me. I got to carry that

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Speaker 1: trophy home that day you did. I was supposed to

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Speaker 1: give it to Jelly and he never picked it up,

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Speaker 1: so it is on my mantle.

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Speaker 2: I love that You're like, by way, it's just mine now.

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Speaker 2: My first introduction to you was you pulled out a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of snacks out of a backpack, and I

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Speaker 2: was like, I like this guy. Yeah, the dude I do.

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Speaker 1: It was gonna be hot and I was gonna have

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Speaker 1: a lot of friends and just bring.

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Speaker 2: Snacks for you knew how to make friends, like you

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Speaker 1: I grew up in a household where my mom we

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Speaker 1: moved like every nine months or something six to nine

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Speaker 1: months or every year. My mom was sixteen when she

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Speaker 1: had me, so she was one of those kind of

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Speaker 1: and so, yeah, I learned how to make friends when

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Speaker 1: you're the new guy, bring.

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Speaker 2: Snacks and talk to me about your life and your childhood.

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Speaker 2: Which also one of my questions, is Struggle your real

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Speaker 1: This just a snatch say stage name?

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Speaker 2: Okay, why what is struggle?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Where did that come from?

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Speaker 1: So I was actually with a friend of mine and

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Speaker 1: I started rapping. I just came home from a jail

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Speaker 1: the ground. And of course I had a name in

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Speaker 1: the streets, but I was like, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: this name is really digestive. I don't know if a

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Speaker 1: parent's gonna let her kid buy a CD from Little

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Speaker 1: Killer When I was a teenager, Do you get that name?

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Speaker 2: Or does somebody give you that name?

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Speaker 1: Somebody gives it to you? And the same way with

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Speaker 1: Struggle is a friend of mine. We were working, We're

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna go by? I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: And he was like, man, you ought to go I

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Speaker 1: struggle And I was like struggle and he was like, yeah, bro,

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Speaker 1: Like I see nobody go through the stuff you go

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Speaker 1: all right, cool. So I started going back. At first

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Speaker 1: it was like young struggle, yeah, and as I got

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Speaker 1: When I caught my case, they automatically started calling me

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Speaker 1: Struggle Jennings. They're like the grandson of Whaling Jennings, rappers

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Speaker 1: Struggle Jennings. And I was fighting it at first. I

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Speaker 1: young strugs. He was like, nah, man. He was like, dude,

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Speaker 1: if you google struggle, it's gonna pop up like kids

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, I don't know. And I so

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Speaker 1: I called my uncle Shooter and he was like, nah,

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Speaker 1: Whalen would love that. He was like, take that name

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Speaker 2: It had already been done. Like you already became Struggle Jennings.

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Speaker 2: And you just mentioned your mom and talked to me

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Speaker 2: about childhood. She talked about your friends and you went

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Speaker 1: Yes, so I mean starting early. My mom was sixteen

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Speaker 1: and Jesse and Whalen had ran off together when my

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Speaker 1: his el commedie, I was made.

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Speaker 2: You love to tell that story, don't you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love it. Altum about as West Nashville

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Speaker 1: My grandpa bought them a house in Franklin in a

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Speaker 2: Which Shooter is your uncle though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Whaling and Jesse's only kid together. And so

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Speaker 2: I remember when we were talking before this, you had

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Speaker 1: I was living with my mom, okay, And so when

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Speaker 2: Were they telling you that to protect you? I assume.

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Speaker 1: So my dad's side of the family knew what really happened,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, And so she was kind of had

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Speaker 2: And these very two polarized lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and knowing Whalen came from nothing gave me that

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Speaker 2: In a life of crime that's really tough too. Do

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Speaker 2: you are you not necessarily happy that it happened, but

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Speaker 2: do you feel like it made you who you are

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Speaker 2: today to be the.

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Speaker 1: Person that you are on one thousand percent, like, I

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Speaker 1: have no regrets in life. I mean, there's some things

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Speaker 1: I wish I may not have said, a couple of

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Speaker 1: things I wish I hadn't done in my life. But

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Speaker 1: as far as looking back or having any kind of

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Speaker 1: like victim mentality, it's not like I went through everything

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Speaker 1: that I went through. It brought me exactly where I'm at,

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Speaker 1: made me who I am, and gave me the testimony

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Speaker 1: to be able to reach other people. It gave me

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Speaker 2: Oh And I want to ask you, because I grew

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Speaker 1: About it, and most people get in trouble. Was boring

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Speaker 2: Are you telling me that you've been shopped before? Oh?

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Speaker 1: And Willie we still are. We still are to this day,

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Speaker 2: And was that hard to rewrite, especially as you're sitting

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00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: in a prison where you're surrounded by people who have

438
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 2: similar minds?

439
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: In a way?

440
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,239
Speaker 2: Was that hard to rewrite that entire story for you

441
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: to come out a completely different person?

442
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: One thousand percent? But the thing about it is ninety

443
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 1: nine percent of people have it in them and they

444
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: want to change and they know better. It's just change

445
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 1: is scary. And I was beyond the fact the point

446
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: of fear. My fear had diverted from change to the

447
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: end result of what was going to happen. To my children.

448
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: I just saw something the other day. It was like,

449
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: change happens when the reality of the outcome becomes scarier

450
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: than the fear of change. Something like that.

451
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: Essentially, what was happening to you in these moments? How

452
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: long like when you were getting those phone calls? How

453
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 2: much longer did you have to serve before you were

454
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 2: able to get out?

455
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: Oh, it started as soon as I got in there.

456
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: It started happening. As soon as I was away, call

457
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 1: home and the first cause of this happened. I'm so so.

458
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: And then it's like you can just see the it

459
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: getting worse and worse. And as soon as I hit prison,

460
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: I walked in and I saw the different types of people, right,

461
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: And you have the group that's still gambling, smoking, doing drugs,

462
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: eating honey buns, sitting there watching TV all day. And

463
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 1: then you got the guys that are getting up, going

464
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: to classes all day, going to the yard to train,

465
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: stay in shape, and they stay in packs. And I

466
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: was like, that's what I want.

467
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 2: And you went to the pack that was going to

468
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: the classes.

469
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I took the cloud would take the classes so

470
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: many times that I would be the teacher.

471
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: And what are the classes like what are these classes?

472
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: You're like parenting and your finances, critical thinking. I did

473
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,239
Speaker 1: all the drug programs, anti violence programs, just trying to

474
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 1: learn how to reel your anger in and catch it

475
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: before it gets anywhere. And I just rational self analysis

476
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: type stuff.

477
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 2: But that was all a choice. You weren't required to

478
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: go to MEUD at all.

479
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: The drug program you get time off if you take it,

480
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: so of course there's an incentive to that. But I

481
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: knew I needed it, and I did it in the state,

482
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: made parole in the state, but then I had to

483
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: go serve my FED time. So then when I went

484
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: to the FEDS and I went to do the program again,

485
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: because it would take a year off your sentence and

486
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: you'd get six months guaranteed halfway house. So you're literally

487
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: getting out eighteen months earlier if you do the drug program.

488
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: And I had five years fifty seven months in the

489
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: Feds and a thirteen year sentence in the state.

490
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: Wow.

491
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: But then the second time I went through that drug program,

492
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: already knew all of it because I had taken the

493
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: same program in the state, so I wasn't having to

494
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: learn anything. I was getting to digest it. So the

495
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: second time I went through the drug program. It like

496
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: light bulb struck and I was like, Okay, I got this.

497
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah that first time, it was okay, this is all

498
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 2: information for the first time, I have.

499
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: It, learn it, write it down, take a test once

500
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: I've already learned it, and I know I even pass

501
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: the test. I'm really learning it. It's really soaking in

502
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: at that point, I'm really understanding it.

503
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: So struggle now. Obviously this is nine years ago, but

504
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: you now, do you look at your life and you

505
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: see your kids thriving, and you see you doing music

506
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 2: and doing the things that you would talk to Jelley

507
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 2: when you were in jail and he was doing Do

508
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: you look at your life now and you're like, dang, I.

509
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: Did this, Yeah, But I still look at it like, man,

510
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: I need to do better. Every day I fall short

511
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: of something. I could jump to conclusions and be like, ah,

512
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: I should have sat on that a little longer, or

513
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: I could shift the blame and be like, man, I

514
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: can't do that. I really got to take accountability for that.

515
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: In relationships and business, I still make a lot of mistakes,

516
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: but I'm having to like really sit back and just

517
00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 1: learn how to remind myself of who I will that

518
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: when I came home, because it's it's so easy to

519
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: come out of prison and be like, oh I got this,

520
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: watch this and be this great person, and then life

521
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: really starts happening. Life starts lifing, and you'll fall back

522
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: into old ways or you'll start to slip. And it's

523
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: just about readjusting yourself every day. And really prayer helps

524
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: me a lot, especially with anger, because I'll just assess

525
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: the day somebody might have said something hurt my feelings,

526
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: I might have done something to hurt somebody else's feelings,

527
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: and I just got to be like, look, I can't

528
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: let the sun set on my anger, pray about it,

529
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: give it to God, and wake up and start fresh

530
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: the next day. And that's really with that, and things

531
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: like staying in a good routine with the GEM, a

532
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: lot of community work, a lot of going into jails

533
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: and rehabs and speaking. And we're opening rehabs across the

534
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: country right now called Sound Sobriety where we're implementing songwriting

535
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: and it's me and Brandy Gilbert and a business partner

536
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: named Michael Fry and his wife and they were implementing

537
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: songwriting into their therapy teaching them how to put their

538
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: feelings and their emotions and their testimonies in a song

539
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: for him.

540
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: Can I ask you this too, because I imagine growing

541
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: up in the ways that you did, you were not

542
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 2: taught to share your feelings and emotions. You were probably

543
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 2: taught that's not what you do.

544
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, so the men in my life, of course,

545
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: were like that, you don't cry, You don't tell anybody

546
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: how you feel or hold it in. You be a man,

547
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: you suck it up. But I was raised by a

548
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: single mama.

549
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 2: They cried every day where she really went against that.

550
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a mama's boy, like the wrong commercial. Come on,

551
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: I'm boughting like a baby. And then even as a father,

552
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: had now see why the men told me that, because

553
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: there's a lot of time as a man, especially as

554
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: a father or a husband or a friend, you have

555
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: to you want to shield them from knowing how bad

556
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 1: it is sometimes, so you got to hold it in

557
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: and deal with it sometimes because if everybody's looking at

558
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: you as the breadwinner, the protector, the provider, the security,

559
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: you can't let him know that everything's in shambles and

560
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure it out.

561
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that healing has started to reverse

562
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: for you now, Like you got out and you were

563
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: doing all this stuff to bounce back your life. Are

564
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: you now at the point where you're able to look

565
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: back on all it and start to kill your inner

566
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: self of stuff that was happening.

567
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And when the mother and my kids died,

568
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to grieve for a year, right because

569
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: my kids were grieving really heavy, and then I lost

570
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: the right behind it. We lost the father to my

571
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: two step kids. He died of the same way. So

572
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: between those two and then other friends and stuff, sometimes

573
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: I've had to put my grieving on the back burner,

574
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 1: and I've learned that's not always healthy, Like you have

575
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: to separate yourself and you got to go find your

576
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: own time to grieve, whether it's an hour car ride,

577
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: punching the steering wheel and screaming to God, whatever it is,

578
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: praying and crying and whatever that may be. Because I'm

579
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: dealing with it right now. I'm wearing these two necklaces

580
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: today because one of my best friends, Nemo's actually fighting

581
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: for his life right now, and I had just had

582
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 1: these made for us and was going to give them

583
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: to him. He was supposed to come down this week

584
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: and stay at my house and I didn't get a

585
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: chance to give him to him. But he's fighting right now.

586
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: And I had one of my best friends and workout

587
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: partners passed this morning. I've had to take I was

588
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: just on vacation when I heard when I got the

589
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: news about Nemo, and he wasn't an artist or singer,

590
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: but he was an incredible singer and a songwriter. But

591
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: he's just a biker. But we had got him to

592
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: record a song that he had wrote, and so I

593
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: literally had to like, we're on family vacation. I had

594
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: to break away and go, hey, y'all, I just need

595
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: a little while. And literally went there and turned that

596
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: song and repeat and cried like an animal for two

597
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: hours in the shower and then came out. I was like,

598
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: all right, let's go. You gotta find that time to grieve.

599
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: And I'm learning that life is You're always a student

600
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: and I'm always learning things.

601
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: What do you feel like are some of your hardest lessons?

602
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Because I was going to ask you about grief, because

603
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: I do feel like, unfortunately, you are no stranger to grief,

604
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: which sharing that of you getting in the shower and crying,

605
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: I think is a good lesson for a lot of people,

606
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: because grieving tends to be one of those processes we

607
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: just push back and do what needs to be done

608
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: to get through something.

609
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: You try to be too tough, you'll find out how

610
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: weak you really are. Try to hold that in and

611
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: then it's gonna spill over and you're either gonna lash

612
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: out or you're gonna break, or you gotta allow yourself

613
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: to feel. You gotta allow yourself to release. You gotta

614
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: allow yourself to feel those emotions. The older I get,

615
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: the more I realize real men cry and they gotta.

616
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: We have emotions, we have feelings. We gotta let it out. Yes,

617
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: we gotta do it in our own time a lot

618
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: of times, because when you do have the women and

619
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: children of your house, friends and everybody looking at you

620
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: for that strength, you got to be strong for them.

621
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: But also when I was going through that, all my

622
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: daughters came up to me and I want to put

623
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: my arm around me, and I came back. They knew

624
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: that I was dealing with it, but I still just

625
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: put the smile on and we finished family vacation.

626
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: How are you, I can only imagine how great of

627
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: a girl dad you are. I need to know like

628
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: girl dad struggles. Yeah, I'm hearing a like tough struggle, right,

629
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: I need girl dad struggle.

630
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 1: I've got four daughters and yeah there. I love my sons.

631
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: Don't take you wrong, They're my little mini met. I'm

632
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: a little tougher on my boys because I want them

633
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: to be good men. I want them to love and

634
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: cherish the women in their life. That was one of

635
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: the last things my dad told me. Get your job

636
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: on this earth as a man to protect and provide

637
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: for the women in your life. Never put your hands

638
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: on a girl. So I'm super tough my boys about

639
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: their manners chivalry.

640
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: So read in the next generation of men.

641
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell people all the time. I don't want

642
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: to hear none of y'all complaining about the way this

643
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: country is. If you're not raising your kids to fix it,

644
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: if you're not raising your kids to be the next

645
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: generation and to do better than we did, then you're

646
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 1: missing your dropping the ball. But yeah, my girls. I

647
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: have the best relationship with my daughters. We text and

648
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: talk every day. We have twenty five year old named

649
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: Brianna Harness. She's my first born she's a blue singer.

650
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: She's got an incredible voice. She's just dropped i think

651
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: her fifth album, Wow.

652
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: And she's twenty five.

653
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but sure more than I have.

654
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: I'm thirty hot Dawn Okay.

655
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: She works ten hours a day on a farm I

656
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: think four days a week, and then cleans houses the

657
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: other days. She's like really independent as far as she

658
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: only calls me when it's an emergency for money, which

659
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: she knows I'd get her anything she needs and always

660
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: be there. But she's really crushing it. And then my

661
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: daughter Innocence, she's dating a professional boxer named Austin Delay,

662
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: who I've known forever. He's a good friend and I'm

663
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: great friends with his dad. And then I've got a daughter, Courtesy,

664
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: who's seventeen, and she's a straight A student. She'd i

665
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: think her lowest grade was in ninety eight. She'd like

666
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: one O four's and stuff is insane. But she gets

667
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: up every morning and goes to the gym five am,

668
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: does Bible study, goes to school, gets off school, goes

669
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: to work, and sometimes he goes back to the gym.

670
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: She's got a great relationship with her boyfriend. He's like

671
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: number one state in soccer and just you hear her

672
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: talk and she's got it figured out more than I do.

673
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: Okay, And he didn't know like having your having them

674
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: meet the boyfriend situation for the first time, because when

675
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: I first met you, I was like, oh, dang, like

676
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: he's gonna he's be mean, tough, whatever, and then you're

677
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: just like this teddy bearry who was pulling snacks out

678
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: of his back back pull her opposite. But when they

679
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: first meet you, was it like oh crap.

680
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I've already got a reputation from the

681
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: previous life before and then being a rapper and then

682
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: my country singer, and I've got a checkered past and

683
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: live in a really nice neighborhood. So I'm already like

684
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: that dad, And I'm the type that snow he's not

685
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: picking you up, he's gonna knock on the door.

686
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're making sure your girls are treated with

687
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 2: princess treatment as he should be.

688
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they know whatever you do to her, I'll

689
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: do to you. But I've had a couple that I

690
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: kind of had to tighten down on, But for the

691
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: most part, I raised my daughters to not settle, and

692
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: by giving them an example of I'm not perfect. I

693
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: definitely want my daughters to find somebody way better than

694
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: I am. But they see the way that I am

695
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: in my relationship, and they see how I am as

696
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: a man, and so they could they have a there's

697
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: a bar that they can't go under.

698
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: So that you're telling me that they don't have the

699
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: bar in hell that some of us had. Yeah, I'm

700
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: proud of that for them.

701
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: And then I got a daughter, my stepdaughter Patients. She's

702
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: like our wild one. She's incredible.

703
00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: She the youngest of all.

704
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: She's young. She's not the youngest kid because we have

705
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: two boys that are younger than her, but she's the

706
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: youngest of the daughters. And she's just herself, Like she

707
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: chops her own hair. She wants to be a hairdresser,

708
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: so she's constantly her You never know when she walks

709
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: out of that room. You never know what color her

710
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: hair is going to be the next day. But it's

711
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: always fashionable and she looks good. She pulls it off.

712
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: She gets a little bit more trouble at school, but

713
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: it's because she doesn't take any shit, like she's just

714
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: she's she's like real. I don't want to say stubborn.

715
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: There's something else. All my kids have been through so much.

716
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: Like she just lost her father, her biological father, to

717
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: an overdose, and my kids lost their mother. And then

718
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: my two oldest kids, my son Little Will and my

719
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: daughter Brianna, their moms. She went through it. She was

720
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: a dancer and was on drugs and went to federal prison.

721
00:35:53,880 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: And but now she's three years clean and sober, doing good,

722
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: getting her life back in order. My kids still went

723
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: through a lot with what I put them through, what

724
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: their mothers put them through, and so there's a sense

725
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: of resilience and just strength. If you met courtesy first

726
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: she pulls up in her little lexus. In the first

727
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: couple of minutes, you're like, oh, this girl comes from money.

728
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: And then you start having a conversation. You're like, oh, no,

729
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: she'd been through some shit. She just wears it really

730
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: well and she's learned from it. I had two beautiful

731
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: young boys fourteen and thirteen, and ones in the boxing,

732
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: ones in the football, and they're both doing good in school.

733
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 2: And so you're telling me, outside of all the toury

734
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: and all the stuff that you're doing, they're full on

735
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: down over here. Yeah, definitely, And you really could be

736
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: PGA down if you wanted to.

737
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: Oh man, I would love to. I would love to

738
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: go in there and tell them how to get it right.

739
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: Do all these things. That is what I suggest. Bring

740
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 2: the fruit snacks. I can totally see you bring fruit snacks.

741
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: I love free snacks.

742
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: You do with You also brought the bubblegum.

743
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: You can't go on a base ball field that big

744
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: lead too.

745
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: I like that trump. I feel like this needs to

746
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 2: be a thing.

747
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

748
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 2: You have so much of that musical touches in your life.

749
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: You mentioned it and your daughter's pursuing it. What was

750
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: that like for you? You take away all the other things

751
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: that you were experiencing in life. But you were the

752
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: grandson of Wielan Jennings's Jesse Coulter. You your uncle is

753
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: Shooter Jenny's You mentioned in just multiple different assets. How

754
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 2: you just have all these different connections to different things?

755
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: No pressure?

756
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that like?

757
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I became a rapper because I wasn't

758
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: gonna try. My mom is an incredible writer and singer,

759
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: and I grew up in a house with a piano

760
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: and whatever I was going through when I was little,

761
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: my earliest memories was her waking me up. Oh, come on,

762
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: we got to get ready for school. Come in the

763
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: living room, and I'd come in the living room, she'd

764
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: be this is the day, this is the day that

765
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: the Lord has made that the Lord I should be

766
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: playing hymnals and getting me up, and I'd be dancing

767
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: and so like music was always but I had such

768
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: I had boots that I could never feel like. I

769
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: could never be Whaling Jennings, but I can do the

770
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: shit out of struggle Jennings. And there was something Whaling

771
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: taught me early. He's don't try to stand in my light.

772
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: Don't stand in my shadow. Step outside and find your

773
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: own light and be yourself. So always be yourself, regardless

774
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: what you're going through. Stay true to what you're going through,

775
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: to yourself and your music, because there's millions of people

776
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: going through the same thing that you are and that

777
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: feel the same way. And you may not be everybody's

778
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: cup of tea, but you'll be somebody's cup of coffee.

779
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: There's some great advice to get from Whaling. But also

780
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 2: as a listener and a fan of country music, we

781
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: know Whalen for outlaw country. We know the music that

782
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: he's sang about. We know what he sung about. Was

783
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: he like that tough exterior on you as a grandson,

784
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: or was it just a different person.

785
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: Whalen was Whaling and he definitely had He was always Whaling.

786
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: He was always tough, but he was so loving and

787
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: he was such such an increase. He was more like

788
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: a dad to me because when my dad got killed,

789
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: I went and stayed with Whaling for a while. I

790
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: didn't go back to school that year. I took the

791
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: last half of school off and Whaling told the school

792
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: he'll be back next year. It was like, he'll be

793
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: back and he'll be in the next grade. Got it.

794
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: You had somebody that was really having your back, not

795
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: just like a normal having your back, Oh.

796
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: No, because he was he was really that guy. Like

797
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: he was firm, he was tough, but he was so

798
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: loving and he made me feel like I was the

799
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: coolest thing on the planet. I was only grandson that

800
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: lived in Nashville for a long time. Way moved to

801
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: Nashville and his brother moved to Nashville in their teens,

802
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: so I like grew up in the house. Shooter was

803
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: like a little bit more sheltered because he was in

804
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: the house all the time. Yeah, so I was like

805
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: the one that was coming from the outside end, like

806
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: first cigarette, showing him his first porn magazine. I was

807
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: the bad influence because I was out there in the

808
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: real world. But Shooter, he left home at eighteen to

809
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: go have a rock band in LA and never left LA,

810
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: and he had his own dark path and overcame all

811
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: of it. Now he's crushing it Grammy after granted Grammy

812
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: between Brandy Carlisle and Tanya Tucker and he just he's

813
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: producing all the Charlie Crockett stuff now and Jacob and

814
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: just went did a record with him, and I got

815
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: a record with him coming out next year. So he's

816
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: just he's crushing it. I'm Shooter's probably the best human

817
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: being on the face of the planet, in mys besides

818
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: my beautiful little daughters.

819
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: And when you were a kid too, I was imagining

820
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: that you don't really know any different. This is just

821
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: your family, this is your life. Yeah, So at what

822
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: point did you realize.

823
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: Get it in school? Like when you're in school, they'd

824
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: be like, oh, they would try to use it against you.

825
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: Is that why you turned away from it originally? I

826
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 2: know you said that you didn't want to use the name.

827
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I always wanted to make my own. I

828
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: was friends with Yellow for probably a year and a

829
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: half before I've told him my grandpa was whaling. And

830
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: the night that I did, he was like what, dude, what?

831
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: And we're like drinking downtown Nashville, riding listening and we're

832
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: listening to a whaling song and I was like, here

833
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: was my grandfather. He's like what, turn it RD? And

834
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: he's like what And then he looked down. I've got

835
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: this big watch on this big expensive watch because I'm

836
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: a drug dealer. And he's like, you're wearing a watch

837
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: like it, and I said, you're right through it out

838
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: the window on Broadway. He still tells that story, but yeah.

839
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: And then I just I'd always gravitated towards rap because

840
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: that's the era that I grew up in, that's the

841
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: environment that I grew up in, That's what spoke to me.

842
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: But I loved country, and country was always the backdrop

843
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: Whaling and George Straight. I know just about every word

844
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: every George Straight song, and then being on tour, hearing

845
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: the instruments and the steel guitar like crying, and I

846
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: always loved it. That's why I was really like the

847
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: first one that ever put still guitar on a rap

848
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: record in early two thousands. I was the first one

849
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: that started blending the two genres. Besides, of course, Bubba

850
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: Sparks had a lot of country flavor in there. Timberland

851
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: was in the beats and stuff and Bubba's accent and

852
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: the Tim McGraw and but I was already mixing rap

853
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: records in my bedroom with country at that point when

854
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: that came out, and then a lot of people were like, Oh,

855
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: you can't mix country and rap. You're going to ruin

856
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,959
Speaker 1: your career. And then I went to prison and came

857
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: home after I dropped out Lost Shit, went to prison,

858
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: came home, and it was like a whole new genre.

859
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: Was that weird too? You drop an album, You're like, oh,

860
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: I get to promota and to sing about it. You

861
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: go to jail?

862
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I dropped the song and then went to jail.

863
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: Actually the day I dropped the video, I went to

864
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: jail the same day and then I was gone five years,

865
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: About a year and a half into my sentence, we

866
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: dropped the whole album.

867
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: So were you meeting phone calls from jail? And dropping

868
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: an album.

869
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I had a one of my best friends

870
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: in the world and he still works with me, does

871
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: all my content, shoots most of my videos, and he's

872
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: like my right hand man. Sebastian. He actually had signed

873
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: me to the label deal and then his father had

874
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: passed away and I quit hustling and all this, and

875
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: then he disappeared because he was having to deal with

876
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: his grief and get his family right and make sure

877
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: his mom didn't lose your house, and so he stepped away.

878
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: And then when he called me back, he's like, man,

879
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: what are you doing. I'm like, it's gotten dighted looking

880
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: at a bunch of time, and he was like, dude,

881
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm coming down there. And we recorded I Am Struggle,

882
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: which was all wailing samples, and then me wrap into it,

883
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: and that was the album that outlaut Shit was on.

884
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: But we recorded it right before. It was like a

885
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: rat race to get an album done before I went

886
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: to prison, because I didn't really know how much time

887
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: I was looking at.

888
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 2: Holy crap, I didn't know that about that record.

889
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it actually released while I was sitting in

890
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: a prison.

891
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: When you had fans over this course of your career,

892
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: So was that so weird because you're like there and

893
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: you're not really getting to do or have any interaction

894
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: with what's happening with your music.

895
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like the guards would come in and be like, man,

896
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: we're listening to your song out in the parking lot,

897
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: and then people would come in and be like om.

898
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: And then especially being gone five years, so about a

899
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: time I'm in there three or four years, the song

900
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: has gotten big, so new people coming in they're like,

901
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: oh shit, so it's cool. I was getting a feeling

902
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: and I was getting a lot of fan mail in there,

903
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: which gave me a lot of inspiration and hope, and

904
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: I perfected handwriting.

905
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: Were you a songwriting in ever when you were there?

906
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: So when I went in there, I started scribbling a

907
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: bunch of lyrics and stuff, and then I was like,

908
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: you know what, I started to notice that everything I

909
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: was writing was from a perspective being in there, and

910
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: I was like, as I was changing, the narrative was changing.

911
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know what, I'm not even

912
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: going to try to do this. I'm gonna sit in

913
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: here the next three years because I was like writing

914
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: the first two I was like, I'm just gonna absorb

915
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: and then when I get out, I'm a tell the story.

916
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: So as soon as I got out, Yellowolf put me

917
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: in the studio and I wasn't supposed to be recording

918
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: because I was in a federal halfway house. So I

919
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: had to have a real job. So yellow Wolf put

920
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: me on payroll as the merchandise marketing director, and I

921
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: had a little fake desk set up with a laptop

922
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: that didn't even work in the corner of the studio

923
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: in case the parole would come and have to check

924
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: out my little area. And I was in there writing

925
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: songs and recording.

926
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: Well, work around, but you weren't working. It's just not

927
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: probably an official version of what work looks like.

928
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were gonna violate me and send me

929
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: back because I was putting up these documentary episodes and

930
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: they were like, this isn't a real job. So they

931
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: were about to send me back. They came and told me.

932
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: They said, hey, you're going back to prison. This lady

933
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: came in. She was on fire. She was like, I'm

934
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: sending you back to prison. And I think, oh, this

935
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: is bs that you need to get a real job.

936
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: This isn't a real job. And then they tell me

937
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm going. So I packed all my stuff doctor March

938
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: say goodbye to my kids after being gone all this time,

939
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: and they were in a foster and foster care at

940
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: the time. I had to say goodbye to them again.

941
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: Woke up the next morning and they were like, hey,

942
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: we need you to come downstairs. I thought Marshalls were

943
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: there to pick me up and go in there, and

944
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: that lady was like, I don't somebody called, and I

945
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: guess you got somebody on your side. But we're putting

946
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: an ankle monitor on you, Da da, and you're gonna

947
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: do this, and you're gonna do that. And I was like,

948
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: oh shit, I'm not going back. And then she leaves

949
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: and the director of the Halfway House caused me in

950
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: there and he puts me on speakerphone and it's the

951
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: lady that's over all the programs and she's like, dude,

952
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: I love your documentary. She's like, I'm gonna start using

953
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: it because greatness is in the gray area and we've

954
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: been black and white for so long. She was like,

955
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lot you eight hours a week of studio time,

956
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: but you got to keep your job and you got

957
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: to bring your pay stubs in and pay your fees.

958
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: We got an ankle monitor on. She was like, that's

959
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: the only way that I could really justify and not

960
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: sending you back, and she really she helped out a lot.

961
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: And wow, so I ended up not going back. I

962
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: just took that one that one person to just believe

963
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: and go, Okay, this guy really has the opportunity to

964
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: make a change.

965
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, wow, that's a really cool story. I'm glad

966
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: that was not where I anticipated it going, but that

967
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: was really cool and also awesome just that there was

968
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: that one person out there who said, I'm going to

969
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: do things a little differently. Yeah, because it always takes

970
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: one person to make a change. Sometimes you do everything

971
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: monotonous and stay in the black and white. As she said,

972
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: because that's what you mentioned way before any of this,

973
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: was that change is hard. Yeah, making that changes hard,

974
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 2: and she just chose. And it's really cool that made

975
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: a point in your story. So all of your music,

976
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: I know we've talked about all the personal stuff, and

977
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 2: I think I could sit here and talk to you

978
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: all day about all of the things in your life.

979
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: But two things your music. How many albums do you have?

980
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: I probably got like I'd say thirteen or fourteen out there,

981
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: but I've got I had eighty five now unreleased songs.

982
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: Crazy.

983
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm about to release first single drops Friday for me

984
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: and Brian Martin did a EP called nineteen seventy six.

985
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: He had just got kicked off the Morgan Walling tour

986
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: and he came over. We were meeting for the first time,

987
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: going to write a song, and ended up with a

988
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: bottle of whiskey and telling me everything that was going

989
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: on in his life, and I said, man, let's do

990
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: album together. He was like getting blacklisted and stuff at

991
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: the time, and I'm like, I like you. And so

992
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: we sat in there five days, wrote five songs, brought

993
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: all the band in one room, let him rock. We

994
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: laid the vocals all super old school, got just a

995
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: real authentic feel. It's called nineteen seventy six. The album

996
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: is and it comes out October third.

997
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: Wow. And that's the latest.

998
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: September twenty sixth.

999
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the latest album of all of these.

1000
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that one's coming out. And then right behind

1001
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: it in November, I have my album Last Name, produced

1002
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: by Ned Cameron, who's incredible. He produced Only God Knows

1003
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: Me and Jelly and a couple songs off my last album.

1004
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: I've got a full album that's coming in November from

1005
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: produced by him. Then I've got two more rap albums

1006
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: that are finishing up now, and got the album produced

1007
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: by Shooter. It's done. I got to go relay a

1008
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: few vocals because I got with a vocal coach. I

1009
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to take this serious. Being a

1010
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: rapper so long and my heart being in country music

1011
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: and wanting to go to switch completely over the country

1012
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: was originally my idea. I just jumped in with a

1013
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: vocal coach to just really learn and to perfect it

1014
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: and find my voice and be able to use it.

1015
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: How do you have time to sleep and be a

1016
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 2: dad when you have four actual albums that are happening

1017
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: all on even more.

1018
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: Than that, because I got another one that we're recording

1019
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: in August. It's all old school. I wrote a bunch

1020
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: of songs with like Bob Depirot and a bunch of

1021
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: old school writers that just it came out and it

1022
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: was so different than the other stuff that I had

1023
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: that I was like, oh, we got to put this

1024
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: on a project. So me and a good friend of mine,

1025
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: Zach Gardner, who's he co produces a lot of things

1026
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: with me and he's incredible. So we're doing that in August,

1027
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: and I wasn't. I was kind of chasing for a

1028
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: little while the country radio thing. I was like, man,

1029
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: we were all growing up as a kid listening to

1030
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: the radio. You want to hear your stuff on the radio,

1031
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of steps involved to that. And

1032
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: I was really getting the whole you got to completely

1033
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: commit to country and can't put out any more rap.

1034
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: And then Brandley Gilbert was like, bu but you can't

1035
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: forget to dance with the girl that brought you to

1036
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: the party and I can't not rap.

1037
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: That's sorry for you are.

1038
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's part of who I am. So I was

1039
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: just like, you know what, as much as I would

1040
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: love country radio, maybe one day I'll get to hear

1041
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: my songs on the radio, but I'm not gonna chase that.

1042
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm gonna just keep doing exactly what

1043
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm gonna stay independent and I'm gonna keep

1044
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: pumping these albums out. The hard part about being independent

1045
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 1: is a lot of times you don't get the push

1046
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: and you don't get the promotion and the marketing that

1047
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: you would get if you were on a major label.

1048
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: But so songs. It could be number one on country

1049
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: and they get looked over, but they become other people's

1050
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: favorite songs. Like fifty times a day I get comments

1051
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: like why is this not number one in the country.

1052
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: But I just I like to still be able to

1053
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: go in the Kroger and shop. My community loves me.

1054
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: I love to be able to pull up at the kids'

1055
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: football games.

1056
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of beauty and independent that you

1057
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: get to put out what you want to put out

1058
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: and do the projects you want to do. You have

1059
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: so much more drive to do it too, so I

1060
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: think it looks differently every we talk about this a

1061
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: lot that fame is so shifted and you can have

1062
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: a successful career any which way as long as you

1063
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: go for it.

1064
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: Really, I want to do it till I'm ninety. I'm

1065
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: going to be I don't care if it's just I

1066
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 1: don't I was blessed to get to go do amphitheaters

1067
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: with Jelly Row and watch that. Now he's in stadiums

1068
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: with post and watching all that. I'm so proud of him.

1069
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: But there's moments where I'm like, man, I see the

1070
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: way he has to live. I see the way that

1071
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: how busy he is and how much he doesn't. There's

1072
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: moments where I'm like, man, I would be blessed to

1073
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: be in that position. But I also kind of like being.

1074
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: Independent, absolutely, And I do love to end these things

1075
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: on a piece of advice. And I want everybody to

1076
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: go check out all of Struggles music. I think you

1077
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 2: could listen to it for a whole entire year before

1078
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 2: you made it through everything.

1079
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop a whole new catalogy.

1080
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so get through all of that. But I like

1081
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: to end the podcast on whether it's piece of advice

1082
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 2: or motivation or inspiration, something that maybe we haven't touched on. However,

1083
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: the floor goes to you. But that's what I like

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Speaker 2: to end on.

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Speaker 1: I've been blessed recently. I just got made the director

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Speaker 1: of Send Musicians to Prison. Nathan Lee has been running

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Speaker 1: it for sixteen years, and they took me into Rikers

1088
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: Island and it was so special. I was like, and

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Speaker 1: I want to do this more and be a part

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Speaker 1: of it. And Nathan Lee had just been to where

1091
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: he was stepping down from it and just staying on

1092
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: the board and they were like, we're looking for a

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Speaker 1: new director, and so they all voted and I became

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Speaker 1: the new director. And so I'm getting to go back

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Speaker 1: into prisons. And one of the things that I find

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Speaker 1: the most, that I really is just on my heart

1097
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Speaker 1: to tell people is don't let your past to find you.

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Speaker 1: There were so many times in life where people would

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Speaker 1: ask me like, are you ready, And I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was born ready, but I wasn't born ready. I

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Speaker 1: had to go through all the shit that I went

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Speaker 1: through to get ready. And I like to use the

1103
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: analogy when they purified gold, they put it in a fire,

1104
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: they pull it out, wipe off all the imperfections, and

1105
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Speaker 1: they put it back in the fire. Don't be afraid

1106
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Speaker 1: of those flames. Anything you're going through, anything you've been through,

1107
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Speaker 1: it's all leading you up to where you're supposed to be.

1108
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Speaker 1: You just have to keep that mindset. You have to

1109
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Speaker 1: keep moving forward, make the best decisions you can, and

1110
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Speaker 1: you will get where beyond where you can dream you

1111
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Speaker 1: would be. In any aspect, whether it's success, business, relationships, love,

1112
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Speaker 1: just keep moving and just lead with your heart and

1113
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Speaker 1: don't give up.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a really good feasing. Congratulations on becoming the director.

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Speaker 2: I think that's really cool. Yeah, obviously that's going to

1116
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Speaker 2: be a great way for you to get back in

1117
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Speaker 2: the community. It's cool that you're changing what would have

1118
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Speaker 2: been really beneficial and helpful for you. You're making sure

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Speaker 2: that's happening for other people, and I think that's really awesome.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's better to focus on building something

1121
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Speaker 1: bigger than yourself.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's a whole part. It's part of the reason

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Speaker 2: why we're here right so struggle. Thanks for being here,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being so open sharing your story.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I told you guys, this is a great one. I'm

1127
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Speaker 2: happy it's finally in your hands. And if you liked it,

1128
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Speaker 2: please subscribe to the podcast and follow at take This

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Speaker 2: personally on Instagram for so much more content. Thanks for

1130
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Speaker 2: being here with me this week. As always, I'm happy

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Speaker 2: that you're here and I can't wait for you to

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Speaker 2: be here next week.