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Speaker 2: What is going on Everybody, John Middlecoff three and now podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully everyone is doing well out there in the real world,

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Speaker 2: enjoying yourself, because I know we are. Today we have

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Speaker 2: a big show. I met this guy at the super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: His name is Ken ride Out. He's got an incredible story.

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Speaker 2: He's from Boston. He sounds like he's Buddy's with Whitey Bulger.

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Speaker 2: He worked in finance like a Wolf of Wall Street,

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Speaker 2: became like a drug addict, turned his life around. Now

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Speaker 2: is the top ultra marathon or in the world according

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Speaker 2: to the Wall Street Journal. He's just he's a fascinating individual.

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Speaker 2: He's he's my type entertainment. So he came on the show.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk. We'll just talk his story because it's it's

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Speaker 2: pretty interesting. It's really interesting. He's got a book coming out.

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Speaker 2: I met him at the super Bowl party, and we

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Speaker 2: wills do a little mailbag at John Midcoff at John

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Speaker 2: Middlecoff as the Instagram will fire in those dms after

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Speaker 2: we talked to Ken and the game. This will probably

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Speaker 2: be the last podcast for the rest of this week

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Speaker 2: and all of next week as I try to be

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a family man for a little

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Speaker 2: while and decompress after the long season, and then we

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Speaker 2: will be back the week of the twenty third in

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Speaker 2: Indianapolis for a couple of days podcast and see who

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Speaker 2: we can talk to, rub some elbows with some people,

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Speaker 2: and that will be the game plan. So I will

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Speaker 2: also I'll be on the Herd with Coward this Friday

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Speaker 2: the thirteenth and Monday the sixteenth, So I might need

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Speaker 2: to get a tan before I go on television. I'm

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Speaker 2: pretty pale right now, but it might be a little

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Speaker 2: too little too late. That's the game plan. So we'll

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Speaker 2: be chilling for next ten days. Then we'll then we'll

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Speaker 2: hit it hard leading into the combine, free agent see

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Speaker 2: and the rest of the off season. But other than that,

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Speaker 2: you guys know the drill. If you listen on Collins feed,

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Speaker 2: make sure you subscribe to three and Out. We are

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Speaker 2: on Netflix every single day. Make sure you subscribe to

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Speaker 2: the alerts on Netflix. Appreciate all you guys that have

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Speaker 2: watched and checked it out and giving us some feedback.

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Speaker 2: So we'll just keep chopping wood. But let's dive into

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Speaker 2: the interview. Okay, here are a couple of days after the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl with a man from Boston, who I met

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Speaker 2: at the Volume super Bowl party. Jamie Horowitz introduced us,

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Speaker 2: and I said, this is my type, guy Ken right out,

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Speaker 2: who some considered the fastest marathon runner over fifty just

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Speaker 2: written in the Wall Street Journal. He has a book

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Speaker 2: coming out the other side of Hard here in about

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Speaker 2: a month on March tenth. You can buy it wherever

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Speaker 2: you know you purchase your books. I'm more of an

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Speaker 2: audio book guy, so I will fire that thing down

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Speaker 2: on my iPhone, big patriot, guy, Ken, have you recovered

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Speaker 2: from the Super Bowl loss?

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Speaker 1: That was a tough one, man. I was happy that

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Speaker 1: they got there, considering they only had four wins last year,

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Speaker 1: but definitely mixed emotions. I can handle the lost, humiliating fact,

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Speaker 1: the humiliating way in which they lost definitely made it

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Speaker 1: a bit more painful for sure. But good run for

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Speaker 2: So I didn't know that much about your story, and

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Speaker 2: Jamie introduced us, and reading and watching some interviews with you,

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Speaker 2: you got a fascinating story. I mean, you know this,

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Speaker 2: You've talked about it. I guess let's just start when

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Speaker 2: having a lot of successful gut dive in you ran

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Speaker 2: in Mongolia, I definitely want to hear about that. But

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Speaker 2: you were a young guy in Boston who kind of

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Speaker 2: let's start from your youth, kind of a rough childhood

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very fast, but you know, it was like the

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Speaker 1: longest overnight success in history. I grew up in Summerville,

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Speaker 2: I want to circle back to some of the beginning.

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Speaker 2: But to me, Reggie Miller, he looks the exact same

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you now that you saying that guy

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Speaker 1: is cardio freak. He's like winning races on his mountain bikes,

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Speaker 1: I asked him to write it. I mean I felt

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Speaker 1: be my honor. He wrote the most incredible quote from

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Speaker 1: my book. Use He's just not only does he like

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Speaker 2: I I've never been I've actually never been to Boston,

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Speaker 2: what we do you know of there's like this toughness

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Speaker 2: that you know when you talk. For some I'm from California,

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Speaker 2: you sound like a guy that I hear in the movies,

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Speaker 2: right that that accent, it's very it's very distinct. It's

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Speaker 2: like you know, Whitey Bulger meets with Wahlberg. It's just

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Speaker 2: but there's like you can throw you guys in a

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Speaker 2: a prison, but you could also hang with these guys

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Speaker 2: that are CEOs, multi millionaires. Is that just something developed

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Speaker 2: where you kind of especially maybe it's different now that

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that area has changed, but when you're growing

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Speaker 2: Now, you don't. You just grow up the way you

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Speaker 1: Wolf of Wall Street was like they were covering retail client.

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Speaker 2: nine with it. Gambling problem call wine Hunter Gambler Arizona, Colorado, Illinois,

430
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Speaker 2: New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. So when was there a

431
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Speaker 2: moment in your career where you went, I probably can't

432
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Speaker 2: do this anymore, but you were probably doing well financially,

433
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Speaker 2: which is always like the push and pull. It's like, well,

434
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Speaker 2: I'm living the American dream. Look at me, but internally

435
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 2: my life is just if people knew what was really

436
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 2: going on when the doors were shut, no one's looking.

437
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Speaker 2: They would be like, what is going on with this guy? Yes,

438
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Speaker 2: when was the moment? Like, was there was there a

439
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Speaker 2: specific day, Was there a specific you know, drug use point.

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Speaker 1: So I always stayed super like. I always exercised and

441
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Speaker 1: was fit, so I never looked a mess. And I

442
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 1: mean and when I moved to London, I was making

443
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Speaker 1: millions of dollars. I had a brand new Push straight

444
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Speaker 1: from the Push factory. I had a whole entire like

445
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Speaker 1: three story house in that right in the middle of

446
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Speaker 1: London in Kensington, with a garage like it was unhurt

447
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: like crazy, unheard of. The top floor, the whole floor

448
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 1: was glass. You could look down into the into the

449
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Speaker 1: living room from the bedroom upstairs.

450
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Speaker 2: It was ones this time.

451
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, dude, less than a year before

452
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: I was making forty grand. They couldn't even afford to

453
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Speaker 1: pay all my student loans and everything else. And now

454
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Speaker 1: I have like money to burn. I was flying on

455
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Speaker 1: the Concord back and forth from London to New York,

456
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Speaker 1: ten thousand each way. This is in like two thousand

457
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Speaker 1: and then. And then I met my wife and for

458
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Speaker 1: a long time I was just hid everything from her,

459
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Speaker 1: and she had never done drugs in her life. Grew

460
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Speaker 1: up on a farm in New Jersey, when to Vanderbilt

461
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 1: was like just perfect family. Everything was like she was

462
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Speaker 1: totally square, had no idea, and then eventually she kind

463
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Speaker 1: of figured out. But when we were going to it,

464
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Speaker 1: when we got matched with my daughter in Ethiopian and

465
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Speaker 1: we were gonna go travel to Ethiopia, and we had

466
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Speaker 1: like a month to get ready, I went to an

467
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Speaker 1: outpatient detox where they give you like medicine to help

468
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Speaker 1: with the withdrawals, so I would have like riddling to

469
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Speaker 1: stay awake, xannex to go to sleep, and I mean

470
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Speaker 1: I was sick, like real sick, and I woke up

471
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Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom one night, like three nights

472
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Speaker 1: into it. And by the way, once I got to

473
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Speaker 1: seven days clean without the drugs, they could give me

474
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Speaker 1: this shot called vivatrol, which would block the opioid receptors

475
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Speaker 1: in your brain, so you couldn't get high for a

476
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Speaker 1: month even if you tried. So in my mind, I'm like,

477
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Speaker 1: if I can just get to seven days, I don't

478
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Speaker 1: even have to tell her why I'm so sick, and

479
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Speaker 1: I'll be clear, and then I can go to Ethiopia

480
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Speaker 1: and then I'll have some time, some sobriety, and I'll

481
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Speaker 1: be good. Like three or four days into it, I

482
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Speaker 1: got up to take a leak, blacked out in the bathroom,

483
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Speaker 1: fell down, smashed my head, woke up my wife. It

484
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Speaker 1: is like, what the f what is going on? And

485
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Speaker 1: I this is like a big pivotal moment in the

486
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Speaker 1: book too, because I'm like looking at her and then

487
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Speaker 1: we lived in like a stunning, like brand new glass

488
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Speaker 1: high rise on the like forty fifth floor in Manhattan.

489
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Speaker 1: Then I'm laying on the floor just so disgusted with

490
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Speaker 1: myself because, like I said, I never thought of myself

491
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 1: as such a piece of shit loser, but that's what

492
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Speaker 1: I was. And I'm looking at her, and I'm looking

493
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Speaker 1: at the balcony, and I'm like, I'm either gonna tell

494
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Speaker 1: her the truth or jump off that balcony, and I

495
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Speaker 1: just I just like came clean with everything. I'm like,

496
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Speaker 1: I'm a fucking junkie. I'm whacked out, I'm in withdrawals.

497
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Speaker 1: And it was horrible. Sorry, it gets me, uh, it

498
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Speaker 1: gets me choked up talking about it because, like I said,

499
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Speaker 1: I don't think of myself as a piece of shit,

500
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Speaker 1: but I was behaving like a weakling and a pussy

501
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: and it just came to a head and that was

502
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Speaker 1: the last time that I like really got that fucking

503
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Speaker 1: whacked out.

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Speaker 2: But being honest with her probably the best thing you

505
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Speaker 2: ever did. Then you were able to pivot into Yeah, and.

506
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Speaker 1: Then once I told her the truth, and then instead

507
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Speaker 1: of like being completely enraged with me, she just helped

508
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Speaker 1: me through it and like, you know, became like the

509
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Speaker 1: fucking police, and I put her in a terrible position.

510
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Speaker 1: And it's been terrible because then like a few months ago,

511
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Speaker 1: she was diagnosed with cancer. So it's been it's been

512
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Speaker 1: a rollercoaster, man, for sure. How's always been stuck, stuck

513
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Speaker 1: with me, no matter how much crazy shit I've done.

514
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Speaker 2: How's she doing, Yeah, she's great.

515
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Speaker 1: She's cancer free now and ready for a reconstructive surgery.

516
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Speaker 1: So there are silver lining. You'll end up with nice

517
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Speaker 1: new boobs and no cancer. You'll come out of it

518
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Speaker 1: like a cancer survivor with a new set of cans.

519
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: Everybody wins.

520
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Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom beat breast cancer in the early two thousands, so,

521
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Speaker 2: I mean, these doctors now are pretty amazing with that stuff.

522
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Speaker 1: It's been unbelievable. I mean, from the minute they diagnosed

523
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Speaker 1: her until they did the surgery, it was like it

524
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Speaker 1: felt like a whirlwind. It was like you know when

525
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Speaker 1: something like you never think something like that's gonna happen

526
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Speaker 1: to you. We would always say to each other like,

527
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Speaker 1: can you I'm so so lucky. The kids are healthy,

528
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Speaker 1: We're lucky. We live in Nashville, and everything that we

529
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Speaker 1: always talked about is happening. And then she gets cancer

530
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Speaker 1: and it was like, you know someone when you hear

531
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Speaker 1: someone gets cancer and they're fifty, I'm like, oh my god,

532
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: it's a death sentence was screwed. And we have four

533
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Speaker 1: little kids, and the doctors were amazing. They we went

534
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: in for the first appointment. They're like, all right, here's

535
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Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. You're gonna do this appointment, then

536
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Speaker 1: go for surgery. Then they're gonna do this, then you'll

537
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Speaker 1: get the reconstruction. It'll be great. And that's exactly what happened.

538
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Speaker 2: Wow, damn, that's well. I'm glad she's doing well. When

539
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: you before you pivoted to the Ultra Marathon, did you

540
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Speaker 2: have to remove yourself from finance, like remove yourself from

541
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Speaker 2: the culture to get sober.

542
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Speaker 1: Were you able to kind of do both, dude. When

543
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Speaker 1: I was going through that week of with Darles, that's

544
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Speaker 1: when I started like this tradition of running, or this

545
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: habit of running ten miles every day. It was part

546
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 1: penance for putting myself in this position, in part like

547
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Speaker 1: I want to expedite this process of getting the drugs

548
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Speaker 1: out of my system. I'm just gonna run. And you know,

549
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: there would be days where I'm like, I'm gonna drop

550
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: that I feel so terrible, but I'm gonna keep running.

551
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, it was like thirty degrees outside,

552
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: but I'm like drenched in sweat and shorts and a

553
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: T shirt because my body is just in complete chaos

554
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: after ten years of abuse. But once I got, once

555
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: I got and I just kept working. I never told anyone.

556
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure the people that worked with me

557
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: are hearing like these stories now and are like, I

558
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: knew something was wrong with that bag, but uh yeah.

559
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: And then and then from there I started. I was

560
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: running so much that my knees would bother me. I

561
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: got a bike. Soon as I rode the bike a

562
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: few times, Like within a couple of years, I was

563
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Speaker 1: racing on a team with Lance Armstrong, training with the

564
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Speaker 1: best athletes in the world and just crushing. Like the

565
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: cycling scene. A guy from a guy from my office

566
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Speaker 1: was like talking about you know, cyclists like runners and

567
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: anything else, like they getting like golfers whatever, and they

568
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: can be such dorks and they're like, Oh, I'm the

569
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Speaker 1: best cyclist. I'm so good at this. I showed up

570
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Speaker 1: one time with a sleeveless T shirt and shorts. I

571
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Speaker 1: had a bike for like two weeks to kick the

572
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Speaker 1: shit out of all of them, and I'm like, Wow,

573
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Speaker 1: I'm either really good at cycling or you guys suck.

574
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: How can I be like you guys have like the

575
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Speaker 1: full like clown suit on and I have shorts and

576
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Speaker 1: a T shirt. Eventually I would be completely dressed like

577
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Speaker 1: a clown too, in like full light club.

578
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Speaker 2: But what so, when did you realize that the ultra marathon, Like,

579
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 2: I'm this isn't just going to be what I do

580
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 2: every day. I'm going to be competitive in this. How

581
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: did that kind of get going?

582
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Speaker 1: Well? Good question. So I was doing the triathlon. I

583
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: did a few triathlons, you know, got trounced a couple times,

584
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Speaker 1: and was like, how are these guys beating me? Like

585
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: these guys shouldn't be able to beat me in anything.

586
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: So I started really training hard and I started to

587
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: win like small races all around Manhattan, and then I

588
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: was like, well, what's the best triathlon in the world.

589
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: Like everything else that I've done, I'm like, well, if

590
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: I've got this car, what's the best car. So I

591
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: did the same thing, and someone was like, oh, the

592
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: Ironman in Hawaii, but you got to really train for that.

593
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Speaker 1: It's not easy to qualify. And I was like for

594
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Speaker 1: some people maybe, and I just I did a couple

595
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: of races, qualified at the Ironman in New York City,

596
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: did that, and then when we had our fourth kid,

597
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: we have three biological boys. When we moved to la

598
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Speaker 1: in in January of sixteen, my wife was like, enough

599
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Speaker 1: with this triathlon bullshit. Because I was riding my bike

600
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Speaker 1: for like eight hours, I was on a Saturday running

601
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: for three hours on Sunday. It was way too much

602
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: and it was super selfish, and so I just transitioned

603
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: to running. And that's really when I started running, like

604
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: very quickly. Started to get a lot of attention from

605
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: brands in particular, so I had like a partnership for

606
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: years with Rebok they didn't have any runners except me,

607
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: and like Shack well there are two athletes, and it

608
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: was just crazy. It was like it almost happened overnight.

609
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 1: And quickly I transitioned out of finance. I was working

610
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Speaker 1: for an asset manager in LA raising a bunch of money,

611
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: and once I raised some money for this asset manager,

612
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: I realized I can do this on my own, and

613
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: I did. As an independent placement AH, I raised money

614
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: for a ton of different venture funds, private equity funds,

615
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: as well as private brands like private placements and investments

616
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: into health and wellness startups. And through that, in the running,

617
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: I started to get these brand partnerships via social media

618
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: that I didn't even know was a thing. And I

619
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: had done so many of them in the and I

620
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: had worked closely with the on the finance side that

621
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: they started asking me who else they should be working with.

622
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: And just quickly I started representing some of the best

623
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Speaker 1: and biggest scientists, doctors and thought leaders in the health

624
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 1: and wellness space. So like Andrew Huberman, if you know

625
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: the human Yeah, it's one of my really good friends.

626
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Speaker 1: We've done some things together. I raise money for this guy,

627
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: David Sinclair in Boston. He wrote a book called Lifespan

628
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: one of the top longevity scientists in the world. So

629
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Speaker 1: we have a whole roster people that ride out dark

630
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Speaker 1: group that I manage all their brand deals, and me

631
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Speaker 1: and the people that I work with, and this whole

632
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: running thing. It took on a life of its own

633
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: and it was like, you know, it's like when people

634
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: tell you, like, do something that you love and you'll

635
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: never work a day in your life. Again, that's the truth.

636
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: If you can figure out a way to get paid

637
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: to do the things that you love doing, not that

638
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: I love running every day, it can be just as

639
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: hard for me as it is for everyone else. Just

640
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: hopefully if you do it enough you get faster. But

641
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: it's been like a dream come true getting paid to

642
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: like run and represent health and wellness brands. Crazy to

643
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Speaker 1: think of where I was, you know, fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 2: Did you run ten miles legitimately every day? Like you

645
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Speaker 2: never take it?

646
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Speaker 1: And I log every single mile is logged on Strava

647
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Speaker 1: on the I don't know if you know that app Strava, Yeah,

648
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Speaker 1: I know. Every single run I've done since twenty thirteen

649
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Speaker 1: is there. I've averaged like four thousand miles a year

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Speaker 1: for the past five years, which is ten point six

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Speaker 1: miles a day, every single day with no days off.

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Speaker 2: Would all be outside.

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Speaker 1: Ninety nine point nine percent.

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Speaker 2: So when I run into you at the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: are you just going for a Bay Area run that morning?

656
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Speaker 2: No matter, because I'm sure you're traveling for work and stuff.

657
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Speaker 2: What do you what do you do? What about the

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Speaker 2: weather if it's freezing every.

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Speaker 1: Day, every day, fucking tornado, hurricane, snowstorm every single.

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Speaker 2: Day because it ain't warm where you live. No, So

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Speaker 2: what did you do during the snowstorm or the ice storm?

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Speaker 1: I show you. I'll show you a picture that will

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Speaker 1: like perfectly summarize what that snowstorm was like. Here, give

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Speaker 1: me one second, you're gonna like this.

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Speaker 2: Someone was telling me a story that they lived there,

666
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Speaker 2: and they said the thing, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen miles flooring rain and snow and like ten degrees outside.

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Speaker 2: I thought that one of the coldest runs you've ever

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Speaker 2: been on.

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Speaker 1: No, I've been on some cold ones, man, I've been.

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Speaker 1: I've run everywhere in the world. I've run almost in

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Speaker 1: every single country, like well most of them, on every continent.

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Speaker 1: I've run in some cold places like we take the

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Speaker 1: kids skiing. I run ten miles up the side of

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Speaker 1: the mountain and Aspen I've been. I've run down some

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Speaker 1: really cold ones, like well below zero, this happened here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what would you say is a more I

678
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Speaker 2: know you ran a race in Mongolia? Yeah, would you

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Speaker 2: say the peak of the hottest place in the world

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Speaker 2: or a freezing cold below zero run? What's one's more difficult?

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Speaker 1: Miles? The heat is miles harder than the cold within

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Speaker 1: within reason, I mean, if it's fucking minus fifty, I

683
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Speaker 1: don't know, Like, but running in the heat, your body

684
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Speaker 1: uses about eighty percent of the energy it's burning. Is

685
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Speaker 1: trying to cool your body down, just like a car engine.

686
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Speaker 1: If the engine can't be cooled, it's going to overheat

687
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Speaker 1: and stop working. And when it's real hot, like my

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Speaker 1: any runner that you look at, their best times will

689
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Speaker 1: always be run when it's slightly colder outside. So like

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Speaker 1: my fastest times will run when it was like forty

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Speaker 1: degrees and I had on like shorts in a tank top.

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Speaker 2: That's the ideal running condition. You would say forty fifty degrees.

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Speaker 1: For sure, Like about forty mid forties is ideal, Like

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Speaker 1: you want to be you want to be freezing cold

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Speaker 1: at the beginning because by the end you're not going

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Speaker 1: to be cold. But yeah, the race in Mongolia. About

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Speaker 1: a month before the race start started, I think it

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Speaker 1: was in twenty twenty three. But a month before the race,

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Speaker 1: a guy from this guy Scott Derue, who was the

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Speaker 1: CEO at Equinox, he's now the CEO at iron Man.

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Speaker 1: He's a friend and he called me and said he's

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Speaker 1: running this race called the Gobi March across the Gobi

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Speaker 1: Desert in Mongolia. Asked if I would join if for

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Speaker 1: some advice, and I was like, oh, wow, this race

705
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Speaker 1: sounds interesting. I had never run an ultra, I never

706
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Speaker 1: run with a backpack. I grew up in the city.

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Speaker 1: I had never been camping in my life. And I

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Speaker 1: was like, dude, that ray sounds interesting. I'll bet you

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Speaker 1: I could smash everyone, just kind of clown and run.

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Speaker 1: And he was like, come on, sign up. I'll get

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Speaker 1: Equinox to sponsor you. So he did. They When I

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Speaker 1: wrote the race director, it was sold out for like

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Speaker 1: well over a year and she was like, yeah, we'll

714
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Speaker 1: clump your entry. And I showed up there. So for

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Speaker 1: a month I tried a bunch of different backpacks, put

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Speaker 1: like towels and bottled water inside the backpack. In June

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Speaker 1: in Nashville, I would finish and be down like ten

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Speaker 1: pounds from a twenty mile run with this weighted twenty

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Speaker 1: pound backpack, because that's how much weight I was carrying.

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Speaker 1: Because it was self supporting, meaning you had to carry

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Speaker 1: everything you needed except water, and they would provide a tent,

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Speaker 1: so I had my backpack, a change of clothes. You

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Speaker 1: had to have mandatory certain safety items like a whistle

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Speaker 1: of you know, one of those aluminum blanket things like

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Speaker 1: just some safety bullshit, you know, and stuff for them,

726
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Speaker 1: and then your food. So for a week, so I'm

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Speaker 1: burning like ten thousand calories a day, but I only

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Speaker 1: had twenty five hundred calories spaced out per day. And

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Speaker 1: of course, you know, after three days I probably ate

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Speaker 1: most of the food. But what I had planned on

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Speaker 1: and I did. I had never done this race, so

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure how it would work, but I assumed

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Speaker 1: people would be dropping out and I'd be able to

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Speaker 1: scavenge for stuff and just survive, which is what happened.

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Speaker 1: And first day I got the shit kicked out of me,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god. I finished fourth,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god. In my mind,

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Speaker 1: I'm like I'm killing everyone. And now I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 1: like twelve minutes down after the first day, which was

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Speaker 1: twenty one miles. The next day was twenty eight miles,

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Speaker 1: and it's a long story, but I won that stage

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Speaker 1: by like ten minutes, so I was still two minutes down.

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Speaker 1: But with a few miles ago, I fell down the

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Speaker 1: bat the strap on my backpack ripped off and I

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Speaker 1: busted my arm open. So I'm bleeding everywhere and my

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Speaker 1: bag is ripped, and I'm thinking, like, oh my god,

747
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Speaker 1: no one's gonna believe my bag really ripped. They're going

748
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Speaker 1: to think I like quit on this race. So I,

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Speaker 1: like Jerry, rigged it together for the third day. It

750
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Speaker 1: ripped again the third day, but after the third day

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Speaker 1: a woman dropped out and she let me take her backpack.

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Speaker 1: So I had this ill fitting backpack that like friggin

753
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Speaker 1: rubbed my whole body raw, like I had just chafing everywhere.

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Speaker 1: And on the fourth day it was fifty miles, I

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Speaker 1: was down by about eight minutes and with the leader

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Speaker 1: a Swiss guy. This adventure race a really strong athlete,

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Speaker 1: and it was just him and I together fifty miles

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Speaker 1: and thirty five miles in he started to fall apart

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Speaker 1: and he was like, man, I gotta walk for a minute.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we're alone and we're in the desert.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, I'll walk with you for

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Speaker 1: a minute. You know, we're racing, but I still like,

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Speaker 1: we're all like, it's dangerous. It's fifty mile a day,

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Speaker 1: We've been out already for like seven hours, and it's hot.

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Speaker 1: So then he's out of water. So I'm giving them.

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Speaker 1: We could get water every like five to ten miles,

767
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Speaker 1: but you know, you could take as much as you want,

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Speaker 1: but you have to carry it so you know you've

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Speaker 1: got just enough to get to the next station. So

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Speaker 1: I'm giving in my water, you know, hoping that he

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Speaker 1: doesn't like frigging pass out. And eventually First Aid came by.

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Speaker 1: But once they came by, the trucks and they gave

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Speaker 1: it and like, you know, started like taking care of them.

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Speaker 1: I took off and I beat everyone that day by

775
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Speaker 1: ninety minutes, and then there was only two more stages

776
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Speaker 1: and I just went on to win the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: and so I ended up winning the whole race by

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Speaker 1: ninety minutes, and that race has been called the toughest

779
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Speaker 1: race in the world. But yeah, that was the first

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Speaker 1: time I ever ran more than a marathon. And it

781
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Speaker 1: was basically like the equivalent of a marathon every day

782
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Speaker 1: for five days with a fifty mile or mixed in.

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Speaker 2: What type heat are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: You know, we get up to like one hundred during

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Speaker 1: the day and not like crazy like crazy heat, but

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Speaker 1: hard enough for someone to die. Someone did die. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they had to like be taken out with a camel.

788
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Speaker 2: So do you run the whole thing on one pair

789
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Speaker 2: of shoes or do you bring multiple pair of shoes?

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Speaker 1: I no, No, I wore one pair of shoes.

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Speaker 2: And then like shorts and shirts and stuff. Are you

792
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Speaker 2: going through new stuff every day?

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Speaker 1: No? I had I had one extra of everything. So

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Speaker 1: for the first four days I wore the same one.

795
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Speaker 1: So when we get back and they and you know,

796
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Speaker 1: the race organizer was like, listen, don't waste the water

797
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Speaker 1: taking shot hours or washing your clothes because we only

798
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Speaker 1: have so much close after the second day, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: fuck all this, give me that bottle of water. And

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Speaker 1: I started like washing my clothes inside the one of

801
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Speaker 1: the water bottles that I had, and then I had

802
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Speaker 1: an Italian guy hold the water over my head while

803
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Speaker 1: I tried to take a shower. So after four days,

804
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Speaker 1: I shit canned one set of clothes, wore the next set,

805
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: and I had like three pairs of socks that I

806
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Speaker 1: tried to space out. But once I wore them, I

807
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Speaker 1: like my bag was getting lighter because the food was

808
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Speaker 1: going down. Yeah, clothes were going down, but you know,

809
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Speaker 1: you had to have certain things like a raincoat, a

810
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: down jacket, gloves, hat because it would get cold. That's

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Speaker 1: the other thing. It would get hot during the day,

812
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Speaker 1: but it'd be freezing at night.

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Speaker 2: And you're just in a tent. It's not like you

814
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Speaker 2: got much with you food tent.

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Speaker 1: One day, when we're standing at the day before the

816
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Speaker 1: fifty mile stage, I get into the thing and there's

817
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Speaker 1: only a few you know, cause one of the luxuries

818
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Speaker 1: of finish at first did you get there and you

819
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Speaker 1: can get all your shit set up before anyone else

820
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Speaker 1: gets back, so you can take the best spot. And

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Speaker 1: I'm standing there and all of a sudden, like a

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Speaker 1: big squall comes through and I look outside of the

823
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Speaker 1: tent and the tent is like rattling. I look out

824
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Speaker 1: and like three or four of the tents get picked

825
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Speaker 1: up and like chucked out into the desert like a

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Speaker 1: half a mile, Like they just launched into the air,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, holy shit. So obviously I got

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Speaker 1: out of the tent and went and stood near the trucks,

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Speaker 1: hoping that my tents wouldn't fly away. But you it

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Speaker 1: was like that every day, just crazy shit every single day.

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Speaker 2: Once you're done, I mean, you say you run ten

832
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Speaker 2: mile's day, do you take a couple of days off

833
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Speaker 2: to like recover your body after a situation like that.

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Speaker 1: I usually do like active recovery, meaning like the best

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Speaker 1: way to recover from that stuff is to jog a

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Speaker 1: little bit the next day. So that race finished on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: I flew home on a Sunday. So before I went

838
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Speaker 1: and got on this like seventeen hour flight, I just

839
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Speaker 1: jogged around in ulan Batar in the capital of Mongolia

840
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Speaker 1: for like three or four miles for.

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Speaker 2: The lactic acid doesn't build up and then you wouldn't

842
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Speaker 2: be able to move.

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Speaker 1: It sounds crazy, but it definitely helps if you don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even the marathon winners they'll run after the

845
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Speaker 1: marathon's over, they'll jog to cool down. They'll run the

846
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Speaker 1: next day. Not hard, just super easy. But you just

847
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Speaker 1: got to like keep the body mo well.

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Speaker 2: I think obviously everything you just said serves as an

849
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Speaker 2: inspirational story for anyone you know, going through their own

850
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Speaker 2: personal demons. You know, because if you are going through

851
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Speaker 2: your personal demons, especially through addiction, if you put the

852
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: addiction to the right place, you really can get going

853
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: in the right direction, whether that's working out or you know,

854
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Speaker 2: some semblance of a healthy lifestyle. And you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: your book, the Other Side of Hard you said, that

856
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Speaker 2: comes out March tenth. You can order anywhere books are sold.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here it is March tenth. Everything he wants on

858
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Speaker 1: the other side, I heard, and I wrote the book

859
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: really for anyone that's like thinking of making a change

860
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: in their life, whether you're trying to get sober, thinking

861
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: about a career change, taking on some physical challenges, starting

862
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: a family. This book will to tell you exactly how

863
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: I did all of that. And as you can see

864
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: looking at me, I've got no special skill sets. I

865
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: have no natural talent, but I do have incredible willpower

866
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: and grit, and that's really all you need. We live

867
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: in the greatest country on earth. You can do anything

868
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: you want here.

869
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: Where'd you run this morning?

870
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: Just here in Nashville, run my normal route. And now

871
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: I've been here for like four or five years. So

872
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 1: every morning when I run, it's literally like I feel

873
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: like the local celebrity. Every single car as they're driving

874
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: the kids to school beep. And I coached the local

875
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: high school cross country team. I helped coach them. I

876
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: was like the assistant coach, and the girls won the

877
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: state title, went to the nationals. They were unbelievabley just

878
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: destroyed everybody. And so like everyone when I'm riding, now,

879
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: all the cars the coach can coach can and that time,

880
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: it's the happiest time of my life. Now, like the

881
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: happiest part of my day is like outrunning what used

882
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: to be like a suffer fest and now I'm like,

883
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: it's become a massive source of pride.

884
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: That's awesome. You probably got You got a smile on

885
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: your face too, because that ice storms long gone. You

886
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: probably got the weather.

887
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: Oh, the eye was crazy because it pissed down rain

888
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: for like twenty four hours and then it was like

889
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: no shit, like fifteen degrees so all the trees frozen.

890
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: They all like tons of trees with down. Lots of

891
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: people in Nashville lost power. It was it was no joke.

892
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: I never been in a storm like that in Boston.

893
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: A ton of snow you can handle, but when everything

894
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: was covered in ice, it was like literally the trees

895
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: were like all bent over and I was like, oh,

896
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend money replacing trees.

897
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. At the volume party, Bob, who is is one

898
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: of the main sales guys that I heart, was telling

899
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: he's born and raised in Chicago and has lived in

900
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: Nashville forever. I said, how did that storm compare or

901
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: to anything that you grew up with? He said, it

902
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: ain't even close. This ice storm was by far the

903
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: craziest thing you'd ever seen because of what you said,

904
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: the weight on these trees, it was. He's like, I

905
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: pulled up to a stoplight the day after. I just

906
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: went through it because I was afraid these trees were

907
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: they were just coming down. So it as a runner,

908
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: you're running these areas, you had to be pretty careful

909
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: where you had on a swivel kind of when you're

910
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: moving right.

911
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: That was one of the days that I didn't run outside.

912
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: Was the day after that storm. I couldn't get out

913
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: of my driveway. When I tell you, everything was coated

914
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: in ice, and not like a little like maybe there's

915
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: a spot here spot. I'm talking like a quarter inch

916
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: of ice on everything, the cars, the fucking power lines,

917
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: and then device was falling down off the powerl lines.

918
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: And then when I could get outside and the sun

919
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: came out, it was like ten degrees. So there was

920
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: one main road in front of my house. The only

921
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: good thing is there were no cars out because it

922
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: would be very hard to get your car out of

923
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: the driveway. So I was just running up and down

924
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: in the middle of this like huge street and there

925
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: was no one there, like a car every twenty or

926
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. So I ran back and forth on this

927
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: like three mile strip. I'm sure my neighbors were like

928
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: thought I was crazy, but I was out there getting

929
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: it done.

930
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: Well. Can I appreciate you coming on? You're an inspiration.

931
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go put my running shoes on and go

932
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: for a little jogga around the neighborhood. So I really

933
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: appreciate you. And your story is, like I said, very inspirational.

934
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: And keep crushing and good luck in your next race.

935
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it.

936
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: And thanks to our man Jamie Horowitz for connecting us. Sincerely, Man,

937
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing your platform with me. I know

938
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: that it's not a decision that you make lightly and

939
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough. And I will get your

940
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: address from Jamie and we'll be happy to send you

941
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: a signed copy of the book. And I hope that

942
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: you enjoy it. And I appreciate you allowing me to

943
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: share my story with your life.

944
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 2: No problem. My my wife and I got married in Nashville,

945
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: so I absolutely love that place. And if I'm ever

946
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: out there, I'll get your get your contact information, we'll leave.

947
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: Yep, you've got a place to stave you ever come to. Now,

948
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: thank your golf. You're in luck because I'm the worst

949
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: golfer in the world, on a cool course and always

950
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: happy to get embarrassed myself with friends.

951
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: Okay, talk to you soon, man.

952
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: Have a great day, you guys.

953
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: Okay, let's dive into the mailbag at John Middlecoff at

954
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Speaker 2: John middlecoff Is the Instagram. Fire into those d ms

955
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: and get your questions answered here on the show. Let's

956
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: start with Nick huge Fan Daily Listener. Why isn't the

957
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: O eight Steelers defense views as one of the best

958
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: defenses of the two thousands. They showed their stats at

959
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl and it seemed amazing. Similar to Lob

960
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: and the Ravens, I think sometimes teams just get lost.

961
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: I think anyone that knows the best dealer teams, you know,

962
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: with Tomlin and that Cower kind of run that their

963
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: defenses were elite. I mean when Tomlin first got there

964
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: and they had like James Harrison, Woodley, Paul Lamalou, I

965
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: think I Taylor was one of the corners. Brett keesl

966
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: was at the defensive lineman. To do with the big

967
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: beard that they were Casey Hampton, was he on the

968
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: team that they were awesome? James Harrison was a monster.

969
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: Philly seemed like a really crazy place to work. What

970
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: this also asked another question, what are some of the

971
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: craziest things that happened when you work there? What does

972
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: Big Dom do? He was at the Senior Bowl. I

973
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: had multiple people reach out, like, what is Big Dom

974
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: doing at the Senior Bowl? Guys? He travels with Sirianni

975
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: and Howie, Like he's bodyguard meets. You know, he's a

976
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: part of the personnel department in terms of he's doing

977
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: research on these guys, you know when they're talking character,

978
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: especially off the field, major question marks. He's a big

979
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: part of that. So James Pierce when you find out

980
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: after the fact, like he gets in trouble, he got

981
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 2: all the details that keep coming out. It looks bad

982
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: that he was off draft boards. Well, when you have

983
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: guys who are like should this guy or should this

984
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: guy not be on draft boards? Dom is working the

985
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: photes like I mean, he just knows people, they know him,

986
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: and he's an elite information accumulator. He also does stuff

987
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 2: with their players. Like it's hard to really describe his role.

988
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 2: I'm sure some of you if you work in certain

989
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: companies you have an individual it's like, what does he do?

990
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 2: He kind of just does everything. You know, he's he's

991
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: a different version of this. But remember, uh, pink stripes.

992
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: What was Ernie Adams for Belichick? It's like, well, what

993
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: did he do a little bit of everything? He was

994
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: just always around. And again Ernie was more from like

995
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: a schematic game plan standpoint. The dude that Vrabel has

996
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: stretch they call him who's just kind of behind the

997
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: scenes doing shit. All these teams have a guy that

998
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: just do some things that no one can really put

999
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: their finger on. It's like, I know what the GM does,

1000
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: I know what the scouts do, I know the coaches do.

1001
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: What's this guy do stuff that's important and the team knows.

1002
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: So it's I think part of working in football in

1003
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 2: the NFL, especially in certain cities, just an intense environment.

1004
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: You know, you're working long hours. It's a public job.

1005
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: Not I mean, no one knew who I was when

1006
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: I was there, but just people talking about you, turn

1007
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 2: on the radio. It's just a really really intense environment.

1008
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: That was awesome that I got to experience it. But

1009
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: I've never looked back since I got in this career,

1010
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: so I'm glad I did. It helped catapult me to

1011
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: where I'm at. But nothing like I'm trying to think

1012
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: of crazy things that happened. It's just a crazy daily

1013
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of edginess, a lot of people

1014
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: mad at each other, a lot of tired people. It's

1015
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: just people are on edge. We didn't by the time

1016
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 2: I got there. Michael Vick's first year when he almost

1017
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: won the MVP and then the next couple of years

1018
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: weren't good. So it's not like I'm a super Bowl

1019
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 2: champion or anything. My friends are a lot of people

1020
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: I work with, are hey, John, When do you think

1021
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: Lamar falls off a cliff like Russell Wilson. We saw

1022
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: this year how he's not as mobile and he's not

1023
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: as good mobile quarterbacks never can convert into quarterbacks from

1024
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: the pocket. I'm hammering the Ravens under wins next year.

1025
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: That's not true. Steve Young did. Steve Young turned into

1026
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: a very accurate pocket passer. I think Lamar as a passer,

1027
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: consistent passer from the pocket is way better than Russell

1028
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: Wilson was. Obviously, his scrambling was more dynamic and their

1029
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: playmaking was both elite. To me, Lamar Jackson is the

1030
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: higher level version of Russell Wilson, right, I mean Russell

1031
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: Wilson like didn't win. I don't think he ever got

1032
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: an MVP vote. So I think Lamar. I think these

1033
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: next couple of years are pretty critical, Like he's not

1034
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: gonna be running around at thirty six like he's able

1035
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: to do now in theory. Now, this year was banged up.

1036
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 2: Are these injuries gonna last you? Know he took that.

1037
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it was innocuous, because in football,

1038
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: even when you get hit it doesn't look as bad.

1039
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: It still probably hurts. The hit he hurt on his

1040
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: got hit in the back, and you just gotta he's

1041
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: got to be much more. I think he's always been

1042
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: pretty instinctive when he runs and not take big hits.

1043
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 2: But sometimes they run him between the tackles, like I

1044
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: think we're kind of scrapping that, Like, no more taking

1045
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: unnecessary hits with this guy. But I don't see a

1046
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 2: precipitous just one day he's just falling off a cliff.

1047
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: I think it would probably be more gradual, and injuries

1048
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: would play a bigger role. But if he's healthy like

1049
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: Russell was, I think he would be a good player,

1050
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: excellent player. You saw that play in that technically was

1051
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: a playoff game. Then Againsteelers Week eighteen, Sunday Night Football.

1052
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 2: He made some incredible plays in that game. I mean

1053
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: incredible plays. I got scolded for quote unquote babysitting my

1054
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: own kids. Now they're eight and six. In your case,

1055
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: they are a baby, and they sit, so keep saying,

1056
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: keep saying it. I agree. My babysit every morning. My

1057
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: role in my home, like my tasks, we consider my mahomes.

1058
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 2: I say, it's my mahomes to grab the trash or whatever,

1059
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: because years ago we tried to I was like joking

1060
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 2: with her, like we all have roles in the home,

1061
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: Like you do stuff better than me. I do stuff

1062
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: better than her. And I think what the Chiefs game

1063
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: was on. It's like there's certain things the Chiefs depend

1064
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 2: on mahomes to do. So when I have to do something,

1065
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: you know, like my roles in the home, which you know,

1066
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 2: pay the mortgage, that's my mahomes, take out the trash,

1067
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: my majomes. Carrie take care, babysit my child usually early

1068
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: in the morning because she stays up late, from like

1069
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: six to ten to eleven over the last couple weeks.

1070
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 2: And uh, no, big deal, just doing what a father

1071
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: should do. Half serious question, do you think Mike McDonald

1072
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: If Mike McDonald said to himself, I'm done hiring offensive coordinators,

1073
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call the offensive plays, he could make the

1074
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: transition successful. No, he's He's gotten his doctorate in football

1075
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. Going back to

1076
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: Georgia through the Ravens. He's a defensive coach and he's

1077
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 2: calling the defensive plays, so you could not call the

1078
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: offense in the defensive plays. I think he'd be the

1079
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: first to say too, like they hire Kubiak, they run

1080
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 2: that offense. Kubiak knows that offense fifty times better than

1081
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: he does. I'm sure Mike learned it and had a

1082
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: pretty good understanding of it, but I don't think it

1083
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: would be feasible. I don't. I've heard players. You know,

1084
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 2: there are certain coaches that probably could, But you couldn't

1085
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 2: call the offense and defensive side of the ball and

1086
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 2: manage the game. I just don't think you have the

1087
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: mental capacity stamina to do it over a seventeen week

1088
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 2: season to game plan. How do you go to both

1089
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: meetings to game plan If you're calling the offense and

1090
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: the defense, it'd be a lot. I don't even know

1091
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: if he'd capable of it from a schematic standpoint, an

1092
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: understanding standpoint, but from a functionality standpoint, I think it'd

1093
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: be impossible. Do you see the Rams moving off Puka?

1094
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: There seems to be some red flags with his recent

1095
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 2: off the field antics, and the Rams may get ahead

1096
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: of it by before paying top dollar for him, can

1097
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: use the thirteenth pick in the draft to replace him.

1098
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: To think that you can find a player in the

1099
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 2: draft seventy five percent as good as him, I think

1100
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: any GM or scout would tell you that's you are

1101
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: keeping your fingers crossed and kind of pits into the wind. Well,

1102
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 2: this could be a nightmare. So are there some things

1103
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 2: that you go, yeah, come on, Pooka, Are are you

1104
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: mature enough to handle this? Or are you a guy

1105
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: that we go all in on? I mean at the

1106
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: super Bowl when I was talking to Justin Jefferson, you know,

1107
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: I follow Justin Jefferson from AFAR. He's just a positive, upbeat,

1108
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: high level energy guy you just feel pretty good of.

1109
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 2: Like this is a high level cat. You don't really

1110
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: have to worry about him. You know. Part of the

1111
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: thing with Pookah is like, yeah, he's a young player

1112
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: into startom about to get big money. But here's the key.

1113
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: He is elite. So if you can pay him and

1114
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: get three more years of this version in which you've

1115
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: got the last couple of years, you don't really have

1116
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 2: a choice. Now would I entertain trading him? Like what

1117
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: can you get? He's not good enough where you don't

1118
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: have a conversation, right, But what is the conversation? Would

1119
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 2: someone trade me two first round picks for Puka Nicola

1120
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: and anyone that would be willing to do that? Like

1121
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 2: where are they drafting? Is that like the Bills or something?

1122
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: So I'm getting two picks in the mid twenties. Would

1123
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: I trade two picks in the mid twenties for this guy?

1124
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: How do I replace that? If I draft player X

1125
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: at thirteen? Is this guy ready to roll as a rookie?

1126
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: Because not everyone is. I mean Devonte Adams, he'd be

1127
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 2: the first tell you his first year and a half

1128
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: are really really difficult. So I think I think it's

1129
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 2: easy to say this, but he's so good it's very

1130
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: rare that you just don't see a team extend that guy. Hey, listen,

1131
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: He's got some things that clearly the Rams wish he

1132
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 2: wouldn't have done, but it's nothing that egregious. I wouldn't

1133
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: compare him to James Pierce mail back. Question. If an

1134
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 2: entire NFL coaching staff took over an eighth grade team

1135
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: and had a full offseason to train them, do you

1136
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: think they could dominate against high sch varsity teams? Since

1137
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 2: NFL coaches are much more advanced strategically, could their schemes

1138
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: in preparation help eighth graders overcome the obvious size dispanage.

1139
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: I think my immediate answer if it's a capable high

1140
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: school team, not like the worst high school team in America,

1141
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 2: but just a good high school team, you know, you

1142
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: just pick an Air Scottsdale, Arizona, Sacramento, California. I think

1143
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: there would be no way because look at the super Bowl.

1144
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, what defines football the

1145
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. So even if I had one eighth

1146
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: grader that maybe is so exceptional he could be like

1147
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: a varsity wide receiver, I would not have the offensive

1148
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: or defensive line and to block them. So if you

1149
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: have a bunch of kids that are eighteen versus a

1150
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: bunch of kids that are thirteen, is that the age

1151
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: r in eighth grade thirteen or fourteen. It's you know

1152
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 2: in boys' most you know kind of hit puberty right

1153
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: around that age, so you really grow fourteen to fifteen,

1154
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 2: huge gap from fifteen to eighteen. It's not like girls

1155
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: who some of them hit him eleven, twelve, thirteen years old,

1156
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 2: So you'd be getting a lot of really underdeveloped boys

1157
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: against every boy in a high school varsity team that's

1158
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: starting would have hit puberty and be just way stronger.

1159
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: So you could scheme up a player or two right

1160
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 2: and make some cool plays, but you wouldn't be able

1161
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: to block them. I don't think he'd be able to

1162
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,959
Speaker 2: run it on them. That would be the problem question

1163
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 2: for the back. I didn't expect the recency bias to

1164
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: hit so hard. But in what world is Sam Darnald

1165
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: actually being taken over Jalen hurts. They threw for the

1166
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: same amount of TVs in the regular season, and Donald

1167
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: threw twice as many picks as Jalen. Jalen also had

1168
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: eight rushing touchdowns. Take into consideration Jalen's playoff record versus Donald.

1169
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 2: I think it's more like looking forward. You give me

1170
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: Jalen's interceptions. Well, he dinks and dunks a lot of

1171
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: the game, like Jalen. We have to agree, and he

1172
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: you know, you give eight rushing touchdowns, how many of

1173
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 2: those are toush pushes at Atlanta scrimmage because his rushing

1174
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: willingness is clearly gone. Because I don't think like the

1175
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, let's just stop calling runs for Jalen, Clearly

1176
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to run anymore, which I don't blame him.

1177
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: I'm I got a big contract, I probably want another one,

1178
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: so I don't want to get injured run around. I

1179
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 2: want to pass. He's not a great passer. We have

1180
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: to acknowledge that. Like you watch Jalen play, he's a

1181
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: pretty frustrating player now, so Sam, But I think if

1182
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: you said the next five years, if the Eagles could choose,

1183
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: if Jalen's not gonna run anymore, you give me the

1184
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns to me, will he keep running? If you

1185
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: told me Jalen is going to be a dual threat,

1186
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: he's a good player, but he's no longer a dual

1187
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: threat because they don't call any design runs. So I

1188
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: think watching Jalen this year was he was a player

1189
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: that most people in the NFL would go That's that's

1190
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: a scary trend because its not like he had nobody

1191
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: to throw it. And I know everyone thinks the offensive

1192
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: coordinator is the village idiot. Maybe he is right. I

1193
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: haven't seen he got hired anywhere, but hell, he might

1194
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: be living off that money, which I wouldn't blame him.

1195
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: Said it all the time. Will you pay me a

1196
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 2: million dollars to do nothing? You think I'm gonna works America?

1197
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: Baby. Uh.

1198
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: But Sam's season, like the totality of the season was

1199
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 2: not nearly as dominant as he was last year. But

1200
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: in the playoffs he was really good. He was just

1201
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 2: incomplete ConTroll. Didn't turn the ball over. I mean the

1202
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 2: game he played against Matt Stafford was elite. The uh

1203
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 2: he didn't have to do much against the forty nine ers,

1204
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: I mean the super Bowl super Bowl, he was okay.

1205
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 2: I think it's more about, like, is Jalen getting better?

1206
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: And if he's not getting any better, if he's not

1207
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: gonna be willing to run, what type player is he

1208
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 2: going to be moving forward? Like does he want to

1209
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: do the Russell Wilson. I'm not scrambling around anymore. I

1210
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: want to play like Brady. That was Russell's thing. I'm

1211
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 2: a pocket quarterback. They're like, okay, Chap, you're a pocket

1212
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: quarterback now, and then it did not go well. Like Jalen,

1213
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: you're a playmaker. I don't know why anyone's offended by

1214
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: that anymore. You shouldn't be offended, Like you're a game manager.

1215
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: Alex Smith made like two hundred million dollars being a

1216
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 2: game manager. Jimmy Garoppolo made a ton of money being

1217
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 2: a game man. Being a game manager is fine. Everyone's like,

1218
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: can't be a game manager, what's wrong with that? Can't

1219
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: be a dual threat quarterback? Well, if you're a dual

1220
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 2: threat quarterback like Jalen, who's pretty good at avoiding hits,

1221
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 2: like that's a that's a powerful attribute to half. But

1222
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to run anymore. To me, if Jalen

1223
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: does not want to run anymore, I'm out on him

1224
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: as a player. Not that he sucks and it's gonna

1225
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: be out of the league, but I think there's gonna

1226
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: be a lot more of what we witness this year

1227
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 2: than like him turning it around and being some elite.

1228
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 2: I was gonna say pro Bowl guy, but you know

1229
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: what I mean, Pro Bowl like a high end starter.

1230
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 2: But I hear you. I mean, I think we're probably

1231
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 2: overreacting to Darnold winning the Super Bowl. But he's clear

1232
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 2: solid player now, and I think that's what Jalen is.

1233
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: Jalen's a solid player. They have their good days, they

1234
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: have their bad days, but I think we have to acknowledge,

1235
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: like Jalen Ain's some superstar quarterback. As I heard Browns fan,

1236
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: I have a hard time listening to you and Colin

1237
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: occasionally take jabs at Cleveland for letting Stefanski walk whoa, whoa,

1238
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: you're you're this is one of the only lone soldiers

1239
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 2: out there that go is the Fanski good. Me and

1240
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 2: Colin are not on quite on the same page on

1241
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: that one. I've watched every game of theirs since he

1242
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: became the coach. During his last two seasons, the offense

1243
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: has been atrocious. I know he want Coach of the

1244
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 2: Year before, but I feel like that's an award for

1245
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: doing better than expected. You're right, not actually accomplishing anything

1246
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: like making a deep playoff run. Also, since winning Coach

1247
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 2: of the Year in twenty three, the team's offensive trajectory

1248
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: has been downward, and he's supposed to be an offensive

1249
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 2: minded coach. However, the offense looks stale and uncreative. I'm

1250
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: with you, I think he's a little overrated because if

1251
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: you're an offensive mastermind, you kind of figure it out.

1252
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 2: And you watched the last couple of years, specifically this year,

1253
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: it couldn't have been any worse. They were unwatchable and like, okay,

1254
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: hand the ball off to quich John Jenkins, like anyone

1255
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 2: called those plays? Can you scheme up some pass places?

1256
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 2: Can you get some guys? And he could not do it.

1257
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 2: He was awful offense. You know, Patola gets crushed in Philly.

1258
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 2: Stefanski was worse this year. Now you'd be like, well,

1259
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 2: they had way more talent. I'm just talking about when

1260
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: you watch him, like, does anyone have any clue what's

1261
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: going on? No wonder jib Schwartz was pissed. We're a

1262
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: defensive team. And this is why I always said about Stefanski.

1263
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: They've had awesome defenses with shorts over the course of

1264
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 2: the last three or four years, definitely the last couple.

1265
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 2: And it's like Kevin Stefanski, there is a decent chance

1266
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: this thing flames out in Atlanta, like gets ugly. So

1267
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think maybe he's solid, but I

1268
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: think he's talked about like in the upper echelon of

1269
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 2: offensive lines, and I just I don't know, man, I

1270
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: don't see it. Long time, first time wondering who you

1271
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: think would win the Eagles of last year versus the

1272
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 2: Seahawks this year would be a great matchup to see

1273
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 2: the Eagles offense for Seattle's defense. But I do think

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01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,919
Speaker 2: that the Eagles defense would make Darnld stress. I would

1275
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: give the Eagles a slight edge. If Jalen is gonna

1276
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: play like he played in the Super Bowl, they would

1277
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 2: be in pretty good shape. The Eagles last year, by

1278
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 2: the end of the season, were really humming. They were

1279
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 2: more complete team than Seattle. Like Seattle offensively, Let's face it,

1280
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: like this is I'm not no shade that Patriot team.

1281
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 2: I mean, give me a break good team most years,

1282
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: probably like an eleven win ten win team, and probably

1283
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 2: one and done in the playoffs, especially if their quarterbacks

1284
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: gonna be banged up and that guy's air left tackle.

1285
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: But they win seventeen games, they're in.

1286
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Speaker 1: The super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: That's like, I don't know, their offensive line sucks. How

1288
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 2: many teams that offensive line is not good to make

1289
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl pretty rare. So I think Seattle it

1290
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 2: would have been more difficult for the Eagles to just

1291
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 2: get loose on the ground. But Saquon was just like

1292
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: kind of in his Hall of Fame season era. I mean,

1293
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 2: he was he was a man amongst boys. And then

1294
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 2: the receivers were Humming. Jalen was playing well and defensively well.

1295
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 2: Who was the best Patriot defensive lineman? Milton Williams. He

1296
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 2: was like the third or fourth best defensive lineman on

1297
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 2: the Eagles. So from a from a defensive lion standpoint,

1298
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 2: they had Jalen, Jordan Davis, Brandon Graham. They had Sweat

1299
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: who's now on the Cardinals in his big time Milton Williams.

1300
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: Their defensive line was unreal, Zach Bond. They had the

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01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 2: two young rookie corners. I'd probably give the that Eagles

1302
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 2: team was stacked. I'd give the Eagles a slight edge,

1303
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 2: but that would be a really good game question for

1304
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 2: the mailbag. Understand the question is gonna feel reductive, but

1305
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: wanted to get your opinion. Mike McDonald clearly is a

1306
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 2: phenomenal head coach and now joins a pretty elite group

1307
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 2: of Super Bowl winning head coaches. However, there have been

1308
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 2: some notable coaches who have won a Super Bowl, but

1309
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 2: we don't see a very we don't see as very elite.

1310
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: Who do you think is the worst coach to win

1311
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl? Sirianni Arians Peterson come to mind. I

1312
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 2: would say Arian's a good coach. I mean Arians didn't

1313
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: become a head coach till later in life. Arians pretty

1314
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 2: clearly is a high end coach. If Bruce Arians was

1315
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: like fifty five right now and available, he would have

1316
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 2: had he would had ten coaching offers. I would give

1317
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: Sirianni the I don't know Sirianni and I know Doug.

1318
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 2: I like Doug. I think Sirianni's proven to be a

1319
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 2: better coach than Doug. I mean Doug was kind of

1320
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: all over the map, and Doug had some weird loyalties

1321
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 2: to coaches like Sirianni throw you over the Titanic the

1322
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 2: blink of an eye. So I would say that Doug

1323
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: one's a pretty big outliar. Brian Billick feels like a

1324
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 2: pretty big outliar. Barry Switzer was handed that Cowboys team.

1325
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 2: You watch some of the players talk about him. I

1326
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 2: don't think he was great. Who's won recently, Andy Belichick, McCarthy,

1327
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 2: Tomlin Harbaugh. I mean, all these guys were listening are

1328
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 2: better than Doug Peterson. So I would say, no, I

1329
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 2: like Doug, but I'd probably choose him. I would say

1330
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 2: if Dan Quinn had won that Patriots Super Bowl, he'd

1331
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 2: be near the top two. Someone else asked me a question.

1332
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: I don't usually read emails, but this was kind of

1333
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 2: an interesting one. We'll end on this. Longtime listener, love

1334
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 2: the show. This is from Rob. They always show coaches

1335
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 2: up in their boxes. I was wondering how many coaches

1336
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 2: are up there and what does each of them do?

1337
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 2: How do people actually and how people actually and how

1338
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 2: many people does it actually take to call a play? Thanks, Well,

1339
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 2: there's only one guy calling the play, so if the

1340
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 2: coordinator's up in the box, he's obviously the guy calling

1341
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: the play. He typically has one of his henchmen, a

1342
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 2: ligne if he's a defense If I'm Fangio, maybe my

1343
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 2: dB coach, maybe my linebacker coach, maybe my assistant defensive

1344
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 2: line coach, a guy like that sitting right next to

1345
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 2: me with binoculars telling me the personnel. So it's like, hey,

1346
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 2: three wide receivers, one back, one tight end, four wide receivers,

1347
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 2: one tight end, no backs, you know, telling you that,

1348
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 2: so then I can react. Then you have usually like

1349
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 2: an intern quality control coach, someone under that world, taking notes,

1350
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: jotting down each play call, jotting down tendencies whatever. Specifically

1351
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 2: that coordinator likes. Let's face it, these coaching staffs are

1352
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: probably oversaturated right now. I mean you go to just

1353
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 2: a random NFL or college team, they have a million coaches.

1354
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 2: They have like two position coaches per position. It's like

1355
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 2: linebacker coach sistant linebacker coach, dB coach, assistant dB coach,

1356
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 2: safety's coach, assistant safety's coach, D line coach assistant D

1357
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 2: line coach, pass rush specialists. So what can all these

1358
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: guys be doing on game day? In the box? You typically,

1359
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 2: as a play caller, you have a guy telling them personnel,

1360
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 2: which then helps them dictate to their play call. They

1361
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: are usually talking to one of the other main defensive

1362
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 2: or offensive coaches that is on the sideline, right if

1363
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 2: your fangio, maybe your linebacker coach or D line coaches

1364
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 2: on the sideline, you're communicating with them vice the same

1365
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 2: thing with offensive coordinator, usually their O line coaches on

1366
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 2: the sideline, maybe their quarterback coach is next to them

1367
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 2: or on the side, and you're constantly communicating. But you're

1368
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 2: the guy calling the plays unless you're head coach. Says, hey, whoever,

1369
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,919
Speaker 2: coach Williams. Let's if I'm the head coach of CEO type,

1370
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 2: let's run the ball here. I don't tell you which

1371
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 2: run to call, but hey, I want to run the

1372
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: ball here, so that guy will start calling run places.

1373
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 2: Or hey, let's you know that some of those shots

1374
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 2: we worked on in practice, let's pull the trigger here.

1375
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 2: I think a lot of that's going on with head

1376
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 2: coaches in communication with the play callers. But I bet

1377
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 2: there's some decent amount of guys up in the box

1378
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 2: that aren't really doing that much, aren't, you know, from

1379
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 2: taking notes to maybe they focus on a position group

1380
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 2: like watch the defensive line, watch the coverages, you know,

1381
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 2: taking notes of what coverages they're getting with certain looks

1382
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 2: that that surely is going on, but it's probably jumped

1383
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 2: the shark a little bit. With how many people are

1384
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 2: are coaching on a staff. You know, I don't think

1385
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 2: you need three coaches, but I'm not sure you need thirty.

1386
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 2: And some of these staffs are have a lot of guys.

1387
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 2: I mean, if I owned a team, you'd be so rich,

1388
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't spend that much time thinking about it, but there

1389
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 2: would be times where what are all these people doing?

1390
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 2: And where guys get mad. It's like our D line

1391
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 2: sucks and we got four guys coaching the defensive line.

1392
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: We got as many coaches as we do starters. How's

1393
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 2: this possible? How are we not better in those units?

1394
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: So I think that gets discussed sometimes as well, But

1395
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:27,759
Speaker 2: good question, and I will talk to everyone in about

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01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 2: ten days. Audios, see you later.

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Speaker 1: The volume