WEBVTT - Lilia Vu 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.119 It's the Son of a Butcher Podcast, Happy New Year, 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:11.920 first part of the New Year, But everybody had a 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:17.279 good holiday season starting off this year. This week's guest 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:20.120 Lily Avo. I mean, what an amazing year she had 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:24.160 on the LPGA Tour, Rolex Player of the Year, four wins, 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:29.120 wins two majors, the Chevron, the Open Championship, and just 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.920 gets to number one in the world. And this is 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:37.479 one of the more dominant and impressive seasons that anyone 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.640 has had on any tour anywhere. I mean, if this 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.320 is I mean, if this is one of the guys 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.240 on the PGA, I mean, if Rory McElroy wins four 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.599 times in a year and wins two majors, Scottie Scheffler 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:52.200 wins four times two majors, I mean, it is front 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.520 page news. And if I'm honest, I think a lot 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.840 of the golf media really didn't pick up on, you know, 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.120 how great Lily's year was. Maybe it's because all the 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.240 other stuff that was going on, you know, with the 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.720 PGA Tour and Live and who was going and stuff. 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.160 But I got to sit down and talk to her 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:11.840 a couple of weeks ago and just really really impressed 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.880 with how she played this year and twenty twenty four, 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:16.400 I mean, I think the sky's the limit. I mean 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:18.280 the hardest majors to win, I mean the hardest major 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.319 to win is Brooks kept always says is your first one. 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.640 She's won two in one year. I've got to think 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.400 she's going to get in the hunt in majors in 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.560 twenty twenty four and having won two already. It's a 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.119 little bit like playing with house money and she can 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.760 free it up. So really really cool interview. Glad I 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.080 got to sit down and talk to her. I think 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.039 everyone's gonna like to hear what she has said. I 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.399 think she's got an interesting journey. I mean, things didn't 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.560 come easy for her, and she talks about that, and 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.360 I think that's part of the struggle, is why she 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.600 is having so much success now. So sit back and 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:58.400 enjoy listening to Lilya Booth Lilya twenty twenty three. I 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:02.040 think if Rory McElroy or Scotti Scheffler had the kind 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.640 of year you've had in twenty twenty three, winning four times, 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.640 winning two majors, I mean, they'd be erecting statues and 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.880 they maybe Time Magazine's People of the year. It's been 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.440 an amazing year. Can have you had a chance to 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.919 process everything that's happened over the last twelve months, because 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.720 this has got I mean, this is one of the 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.040 best years we've seen in professional golf in a lot, 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:25.320 really since the Tiger days. 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.400 Yeah, thank you for saying that. I've not had a 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.440 lot of time to kind of reflect on the season 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.400 I've had. I think just being go, go go all 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:37.040 the time and just playing one tournament at of time, 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.000 I think I'm very just what's in front of me. 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:42.760 I think that's how I tend to do so well occasionally. 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.240 But yeah, I just take it one shot out of time, 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.880 just playing the golf course in front of me, playing 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.200 that whole even just I was telling a pro partner today, 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.120 she's a d one golfer. She's basically asking me for 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.760 advice about not getting too far ahead of yourself, like 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.919 thinking about the next soul. I also have that problem 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.680 as well, and so I think once I got to college, 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.800 I learned how to just kind of narrow it down. 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:12.720 Narrow it down. Basically, there's eighteen matches between you and 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.720 the golf course. So at eighteen holes each hols a match, 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:17.520 I'm going to try and burdiye this hole. If I 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.840 don't move on, try again the next hole, and just 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.480 very just simple stuff like that really helps me. So 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.720 I don't think about other players playing in my group, 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.080 just me in this hole. How do I beat the hole. 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.639 I think it's interesting because obviously you make the jump 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.520 from junior golf to college golf, from college golf to 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.000 the Cemetri Tour Symetra to the LPGA Tour, and I 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.760 think the stage gets bigger, the stakes maybe get bigger, 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.040 but you're right, at the end of the day, it's 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.400 just golf, right Yea's just regardless of where you're playing, 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.800 whether you're playing a junior golf tournament or you're playing 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.040 on the LPGA, the course might be longer, there might 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.360 be more people out, but the object of the game 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.360 is still the same. The rules of the game are 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.200 still the same, and the goal of the game is 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.520 still the same. What do you notice now you're two 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:11.240 time major champion, you're a proven winner on the LPGA, 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:15.240 but you're still very early in your career and it's 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:17.800 not too long ago, you know, two three years ago, 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.840 to where your status is kind of up in the air. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:26.240 What have you noticed, is the difference between amateur junior golf, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:30.760 college golf, SEMETRA and the LPGA. What is the difference? 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.680 Because I think everybody that's trying to play is trying 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.200 to crack the code, right What can they do at 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.719 that next to get to that next level? What do 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:39.360 you think it is. 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.640 There's a lot that goes into a big difference. For me, 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.080 I felt like I really grew as a person in 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.839 the past couple of years. Just like amateur golf, you 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.360 junior golf you have like your parents, booking your flights, 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.840 doing all your tournament stuff. College same thing. I had 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.640 a great college experience. I wouldn't be here without UCLA 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.160 coach and Alicia did everything for us. It just had 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:06.239 fun all the time. And then thought I was ready 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.400 for the tour when I was a twenty nineteen rookie, 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:12.400 was not made one cut, miss the rest of all 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.599 the tournaments and just didn't have it. I felt so 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:19.040 much pressure out there, even though I had achieved my 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.599 dream of being on the LPGA, but it just didn't 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.400 feel that way. It felt like every single shot was 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.880 life or death. Put too much pressure on making money 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.280 and trying to just come out of the gate really hot, 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.279 but it just didn't happen that way. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.480 I was saying. I had Joe Scarbn on my podcast 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.880 recently Caddy for Ricky Forever and now Caddy's for Tom Kim. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.000 But we were talking about Tom as a rookie, and 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.920 it's a theme that I see because I've been on tour, 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.080 you know, working on tour for twenty years. As a rookie, 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.359 I think you can get lost. You can kind of 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:52.840 all of a sudden. The manufacturers are there, you can 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.760 change your equipment every single week. Try you're putting bad. 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.280 There's fifty different putterns you can try. You're driving it bad. 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:03.120 You can try driver chefts and change coaches, caddies, all 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.320 of that. And I keep saying this, no one tells 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.840 you how to be a professional athlete, professional golfer, and 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.520 be a professional in the sport. They just throw you 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.720 out there. If you're talented enough, you get on tour. 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.800 There's no training. Okay, some of the tours do some 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.520 media training and some kind of but it's it's not 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.840 real and no one can really prepare you for what 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.719 it's like to be a professional athlete. 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:31.200 Yeah, I absolutely agree, there's really no perfect formula for that. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.880 You kind of have to figure that out for yourself. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.160 So twenty nineteen was a hard year for me. Lost 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.520 my card, went back to the EPSOM Tour for two years, 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.200 and just kind of had to find my way back. 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.680 I had to find just kind of re emulate what 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.440 I had in college, just constantly having fun, having a 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.360 good team around me to handle all that stuff. So 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.559 naturally I was going to figure out how to create 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:57.760 my own team on tour, and slowly I did that 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.880 and then started finding finalizing the final pieces into the team, 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:02.800 and then now we're here. 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.200 I think that is one thing that I've noticed that 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:09.200 when you're in when when players are in college, there 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.640 is an enormous amount of structure and a lot of 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:15.280 times I'll work with college golfers when they're home, the 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.440 coach makes them practice. They don't like when they practice, 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.280 they don't like when what you know, there's a lot 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.560 of things that they don't like, right, but that is 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.360 all there and made for them. Once you turn pro, 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.000 you have to find a course to play out, you 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.040 have to find a place to practice. You've got to 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.320 find a gym, You've got to plan your schedule. Whereas 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.520 college and like you said, junior golf, all of that 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.040 is basically done for you. And I have seen a 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.800 lot of players kind of struggle for a couple of 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.920 years that post college because they don't find their way, 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.880 they don't find the right setup. Why do you think 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.000 it took you a couple of years to find that. 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.320 I think it's just maturity, growing and knowing what I like. 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.720 I like being told when to practice, when to work out, 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.360 and now I have people on my team that kind 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.120 of just overall just look at my schedule and figure 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:05.960 out what we're doing during the off weeks and all 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.480 that stuff. I think it just makes my life easier 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.679 that we have a routine and everybody has their certain 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.240 tasks to make my life easier so that I can 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:15.760 go out there and do what I do best. 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.480 You mentioned going to UCLA, you're a first team All American, 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.880 you won eight times. Do you feel that there's a 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:29.080 difference in winning in college versus now winning majors and 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.960 winning big tournaments on the LPGA. Did you notice a difference. 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.360 Big difference. I think in college I was just having 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.960 fun and then I happened to win. Out here, it's 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:42.560 a grind, like you really have to not think too 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:47.520 far ahead. My first win this year, and yeah, I 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.560 shot eight under on the last day, and I didn't 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:52.760 even know what I was shooting. I didn't look at any. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.240 Scoreboard or not a scoreboard watcher. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.800 I used to not be. But and then one day 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:59.160 I decided I can look at it. 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.280 Yeah, Lily, you start winning two majors, look. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.360 At the score It's okay. I just you want to. 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.520 Look at scoreboards when you were in the hunt to 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.600 win major championships. I get the hey, I'm just going 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.040 to play today. Yeah, but if you're on the back 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:16.760 nine on Sunday and you're in one of the last 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.479 two groups, look at the scoreboard. 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:23.520 I definitely looked at the open on sixteen. That's when 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.800 I finally I knew I was there. I just didn't 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.160 know how much way I have won. 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.000 Six should sixty six? 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:31.320 I have no idea. 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.400 But an again, that's amazing. You have no idea what 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:36.680 you shot. I don't know how you're second major this 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:37.720 year on Sunday. 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.200 Yeah, I have no idea. I think I just made 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:42.920 a switch one day and I said, I'm not going 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.360 to let the score scoreboard control me. With the fear 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:47.840 that I have for it. So I'm like, I'm just 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:49.320 going to look, what. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.920 Was that Open Championship? Like, I mean, you start that Sunday, 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.160 you're playing with Charlie Holl I mean, obviously Charlie being 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:59.240 from the UK, huge fan favorite, You're kind of the underdog, 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.760 You're kind of the the person that they're not rooting for, 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.400 and you basically just light it up. Shoot a great round, 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.400 win by a ton. But that experience to where you're 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.320 on the golf course on Sunday trying to win, well, 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.240 you was it something that you were conscious of, Lily, 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.240 that you're in your head going, Okay, I've got a 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.120 chance to win another major this year. 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.920 I didn't think about it that way, but I knew 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.320 that I was really excited to play in the final 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.560 group with Charlie, with the crowd she had. I knew 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.360 on Saturday she played behind me and I heard all 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.520 the roaring and the cheers, and I turned to my caddy, Cole, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.080 and I said, I want to play with her tomorrow. 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:38.720 I think it would be so fun. Like the crowd 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.200 that she has going on, we don't see that a lot. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.600 She pulled a really big crowd in London, She's from there. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.640 So it was really cool to see she's super fun 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.120 to play with. So I got my wish. I wanted 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.840 to play with her, and a person on my team 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.760 told me, don't be nervous that they're rooting for Charlie. 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.720 They're not rooting against you. They're good fans too, And 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.200 I think that kind of flipped my mindset, and I 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.760 was super excited to play Sunday, super nervous, But I 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.120 don't know, I just stuck to it. I didn't try 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.120 to pay attention too much to what she was doing 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:10.680 on the course. I was just trying to do my thing, 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.640 make as many birdies as possible, even though in major 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.360 tough conditions, and so, I mean, it was tough to 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.400 not look at her eagle bunker shot on one of 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:25.560 the crazy It was so good. I got goosebumps. And 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.120 then I just kept doing my thing, just trying to 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:29.200 play one shot at a time. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.319 I was listening to a podcast the other day and 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:36.920 someone was saying that it's okay to take things professional, 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.000 don't take them personal. It was like, if you're going 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:40.480 to be a professional, if you're going to work in 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.559 any sort of professional environment, things are going to happen 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.559 to you that in your personal life you could take personally, 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:48.920 but in the profession that you want to be in, 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.920 it's not personal. It's just part of being a professional. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.360 So you know that going to the UK, you're trying 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.800 to win a major, but someone in that group that 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.240 you're playing with is from the UK. It's not a 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.000 personal thing against you, it's professional. They're going to root 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.520 for her because she is kind of the hometown favorite. 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.560 Yeah, it makes sense, and I was really excited for her. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.240 And like us, I always get excited when I go 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.080 to either Scotland or England. I feel like they have 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.280 true golf fans and they know what a good shot is. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.600 So I was just over the moon to be there. 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:29.599 Honestly, when did it sink in that you were a 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:34.680 two time major champion, Because I mean, here's the thing. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.200 Justin Thomas has one two majors. John Rahm is one 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:42.960 two majors. You have one two majors. It's hard to 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.600 think of yourself in that vein. But the majors, both 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.679 on the men's side and the women's side, that is 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.720 the benchmark, That is where careers are validated, right Brooks 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:56.000 kept who I work with. Brooks has always held. He's 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.880 always thought if you were a major, you were a 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.720 great player. If you haven't won a major, no matter 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.240 how many tournaments you've won, his mindset is always like, 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.920 to me, it's always been about the greatest players in golf, 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.440 both on the men's and the women's side, are the 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.199 ones that win majors. Now that you're a two time 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:18.480 major champion, has it sunk into what you've actually done, 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:22.320 because it is an enormous accomplishment, and it's an enormous 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:27.520 accomplishment in one year. I mean, we don't see that, right, 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:31.160 We don't see Brooks has done it, Tiger's done it, 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.840 but there are some great players that have never come 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.680 close to winning two majors in a year. Yeah, you 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:43.160 are a rarefied rarefied air. I mean, there are not 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.200 a lot of people at this kind of height on 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.080 the mountain that you're on, and I think sometimes when 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.960 you're doing it, you don't realize it, right, It doesn't 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.319 come across that way. But you are in a category 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:57.720 now of people that are all time legends that have 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.480 the same amount of major champions, both on the men's 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:01.480 and the women's side. 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.400 Did you do thank you for saying that I didn't 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.560 really realize it until you mentioned it. I haven't thought 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:10.720 about that I'm a two time major champion, because I 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.280 think if you look at the majors in between, we 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.920 got KPMG, US Open, and eavy On I didn't do 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:18.680 so great. I was kind of sure you missed. 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.440 The cut at the US Opening and went on a 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.080 cut streak kind of in that US Open time where 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:27.600 you'd missed four cuts in a row after winning a major. Again, 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.440 that is an anomaly as well. Normally you win a 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.560 major and you go okay, playing with house money now, Yeah, 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:34.720 I'm just gonna light it up. 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:36.800 Yeah, it didn't feel that way for me. I felt 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:40.200 I feel pressure, felt a lot of pressure, and kind 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.560 of just had an internal battle with myself just putting 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.600 myself too high of a standard, and I was kind 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.920 of being a perfectionist, getting really upset not pulling off 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:51.960 every single shot I hit on the golf course and 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.160 that was really tough for me. And then someone on 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.600 my team on Wednesday at the Open just said, all 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.160 we need to do is get in contention by this 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.560 weekend and would be a good spot to win. And 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.600 that's what we did. We just took it day by day, 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.200 tried to hit the best shot from wherever we ended 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:07.640 up and then just went from there. 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.880 I've had Adam Scott on my podcast. Scott He's a 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:12.680 good friend of mine. I've worked with him. But I 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.720 remember in two thousand and one Adam was he was rookie. 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.440 He was still playing on the European Tour, but because 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:20.200 of his world ranking he was able to come off. 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:21.760 He'd won one big turn. I think he had won 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:25.080 a tournament in South Africa. Nothing really really crazy, and 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.400 that is kind of a one the height of Tiger Mania, 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.080 right when Tiger is at like full full Tiger Tiger Tiger. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:35.000 He played a practice round in Atlanta, and I'll never 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.880 forget this, he said. Tiger said to Scutty, I've been 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:43.600 watching you play, yeah, and Adam's like, he's watching me 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.160 my tournaments on TV. It's unbelievable. Yeah, but he said, 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.240 you just have to learn how to hang around more. 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.800 And he said and Adam was like, well, what do 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.920 you mean. He's like, well, you you're leading or one behind. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:59.280 After Friday, you shoot sixty six, sixty eight, you're in 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.040 one of the last groups. And on lately on Saturday 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:07.120 you've been shooting seventy two, seventy three, and then on Sunday, 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:08.880 the only way you can win the golf tournament is 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.960 to go out and shoot sixty three. So that's a 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.880 tough ask. And he said, if you can find a 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.840 way just to hang around and be one of those 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.880 players on Sunday, there's probably gonna be you know, five 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:23.600 to eight of them on the back nine. You kind 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.440 of look at the leaderboard. He said, if you can 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:29.480 just put yourself in position every week, you're gonna have 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.440 weeks where you play great and lose and you don't 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.480 really play that great win and somebody else messes it up. Yeah, 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.920 and I'll always remember this. Tiger Woods, at the height 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.120 of his kind of power, said to Adam Scott, he said, 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:43.760 can I be honest with you? He said, you know 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:45.880 what's the most fun for me When I've got a 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.160 one shot lead and I shoot one under and I 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.000 let everybody else mess it up because they feel the pressure. 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.280 He said, I take care of the par fives and 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:55.600 I just go out and I just say, hey, I've 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.400 done this before, I've been in this situation before. I'm 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.120 gonna let everybody else said, hasn't been in this situation 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.480 before mess it up. So if you think about the 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.560 Masters in twenty nineteen that Tiger won on Sunday, he 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:14.520 made one birdy, he made one birdy on Sunday and aimed. 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.160 There's a great picture that I sent to Brooks because 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:20.560 Brooks rinstant in the water made double Frankie Molinari Rinston 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.439 in the water made double Tony Fenaw Rinstant. I mean 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.120 everybody pulled, they all kind of hit it in the water, 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.000 and there was this great picture right behind Tiger. You know, 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.040 the pins over on the right hand side where it 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.840 always is, and he's starting the golf ball left of 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.639 the green and cutting it back into the middle because 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:41.800 he's hit that shot so many times. Yeah, he's not overawed, 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:47.200 he's not freaked out by that situation. And Brooks couldn't 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.320 handle it at that time. You know, the wind came up, 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.159 but still you got to execute. So I think what 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.440 you said there is really important that someone on your 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.679 team said, hey, just put yourself in contention. And then 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.399 I also read that after you missed those four cuts, 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.159 your caddy Gole, said hey, let's just go out and 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.960 have fun on the golf course. And I have talked 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.280 to a lot of players, and when they do struggle, 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.760 they talk about that conflict on the golf course where 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.280 it's not fun. Yeah, and when you're a junior golfer, 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:15.639 it's a blast. You can't wait to get to the 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.840 golf course. You can't wait to play. College golf is fun. 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.640 How do you What is that feeling like when you're 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.080 on the course and it's not fun? What are you 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.119 feeling as a player and as a person. 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.720 I think just very tight overall. I feel like I'm 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.240 not free to play golf the way I want. 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.200 To try not to miss it as opposed to trying. 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.800 Yeah, just kind of defense golf. It's not fun. I'm 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.960 not having a good time. It's just I'm seeing a shot, 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.760 but it's not doing that. It's not starting online. And 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.560 I think just for me, I play my best golf 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.280 when I have fun first, and then it turns out well, 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:53.560 you can't rely on Okay, I'm gonna have fun if 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.280 I'm playing well, because that tends to not work. 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:57.800 It's a moving target. 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.120 Yeah, So I mean I just try I have fun 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.080 the best way I can, just very relax and seeing shots. 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.040 And I remember saying this when I want Onnica a 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.359 couple of weeks ago that it was just really fun 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.639 to be out there. It was fun to even just 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.280 small things like read the break and like have that 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.639 putt go in the way you see it. Little stuff 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:21.080 like that, seeing shots, creating shots, And that's my version 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.199 of fun. I know it's very like golf nerdy, but 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:24.840 that's just how it works. 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.399 And uh, you won kind of the last tournament of 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.280 the year on the on the regular, the regular, on 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:35.560 the regular schedule, and I thought Texas Roadhouse, I mean 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.760 talking through it. I mean, if your agent doesn't have 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.480 a Texas Roadhouse logo on your sleep, I mean you 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.000 said on Saturday night you played, you played good on Saturday, 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:45.840 and they asked you you said, well, went to Texas 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.840 Roadhouse for steak the night before. Where did that come from? 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:52.040 Oh? I have this ongoing theory that if I eat 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.440 steak the night before around I just play really well. 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.080 I love that and it's shown true quite a bit. 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.840 I did go to Texas Roadhouse again that Saturday night 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:02.360