1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher Podcast, Happy New Year, 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: first part of the New Year, But everybody had a 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: good holiday season starting off this year. This week's guest 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: Lily Avo. I mean, what an amazing year she had 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: on the LPGA Tour, Rolex Player of the Year, four wins, 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: wins two majors, the Chevron, the Open Championship, and just 7 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: gets to number one in the world. And this is 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: one of the more dominant and impressive seasons that anyone 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: has had on any tour anywhere. I mean, if this 10 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: is I mean, if this is one of the guys 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: on the PGA, I mean, if Rory McElroy wins four 12 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: times in a year and wins two majors, Scottie Scheffler 13 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: wins four times two majors, I mean, it is front 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: page news. And if I'm honest, I think a lot 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: of the golf media really didn't pick up on, you know, 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: how great Lily's year was. Maybe it's because all the 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: other stuff that was going on, you know, with the 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: PGA Tour and Live and who was going and stuff. 19 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: But I got to sit down and talk to her 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago and just really really impressed 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: with how she played this year and twenty twenty four, 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the sky's the limit. I mean 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: the hardest majors to win, I mean the hardest major 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: to win is Brooks kept always says is your first one. 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: She's won two in one year. I've got to think 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: she's going to get in the hunt in majors in 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four and having won two already. It's a 28 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: little bit like playing with house money and she can 29 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: free it up. So really really cool interview. Glad I 30 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: got to sit down and talk to her. I think 31 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: everyone's gonna like to hear what she has said. I 32 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: think she's got an interesting journey. I mean, things didn't 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: come easy for her, and she talks about that, and 34 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: I think that's part of the struggle, is why she 35 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: is having so much success now. So sit back and 36 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: enjoy listening to Lilya Booth Lilya twenty twenty three. I 37 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: think if Rory McElroy or Scotti Scheffler had the kind 38 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: of year you've had in twenty twenty three, winning four times, 39 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: winning two majors, I mean, they'd be erecting statues and 40 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: they maybe Time Magazine's People of the year. It's been 41 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: an amazing year. Can have you had a chance to 42 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: process everything that's happened over the last twelve months, because 43 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: this has got I mean, this is one of the 44 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: best years we've seen in professional golf in a lot, 45 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: really since the Tiger days. 46 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for saying that. I've not had a 47 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: lot of time to kind of reflect on the season 48 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: I've had. I think just being go, go go all 49 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: the time and just playing one tournament at of time, 50 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: I think I'm very just what's in front of me. 51 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: I think that's how I tend to do so well occasionally. 52 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, I just take it one shot out of time, 53 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: just playing the golf course in front of me, playing 54 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: that whole even just I was telling a pro partner today, 55 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: she's a d one golfer. She's basically asking me for 56 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: advice about not getting too far ahead of yourself, like 57 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 2: thinking about the next soul. I also have that problem 58 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: as well, and so I think once I got to college, 59 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: I learned how to just kind of narrow it down. 60 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: Narrow it down. Basically, there's eighteen matches between you and 61 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: the golf course. So at eighteen holes each hols a match, 62 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to try and burdiye this hole. If I 63 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: don't move on, try again the next hole, and just 64 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: very just simple stuff like that really helps me. So 65 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: I don't think about other players playing in my group, 66 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: just me in this hole. How do I beat the hole. 67 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because obviously you make the jump 68 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: from junior golf to college golf, from college golf to 69 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: the Cemetri Tour Symetra to the LPGA Tour, and I 70 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: think the stage gets bigger, the stakes maybe get bigger, 71 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: but you're right, at the end of the day, it's 72 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: just golf, right Yea's just regardless of where you're playing, 73 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: whether you're playing a junior golf tournament or you're playing 74 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: on the LPGA, the course might be longer, there might 75 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: be more people out, but the object of the game 76 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: is still the same. The rules of the game are 77 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: still the same, and the goal of the game is 78 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: still the same. What do you notice now you're two 79 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: time major champion, you're a proven winner on the LPGA, 80 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: but you're still very early in your career and it's 81 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: not too long ago, you know, two three years ago, 82 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: to where your status is kind of up in the air. 83 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: What have you noticed, is the difference between amateur junior golf, 84 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: college golf, SEMETRA and the LPGA. What is the difference? 85 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: Because I think everybody that's trying to play is trying 86 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: to crack the code, right What can they do at 87 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: that next to get to that next level? What do 88 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: you think it is. 89 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: There's a lot that goes into a big difference. For me, 90 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: I felt like I really grew as a person in 91 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: the past couple of years. Just like amateur golf, you 92 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: junior golf you have like your parents, booking your flights, 93 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 2: doing all your tournament stuff. College same thing. I had 94 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: a great college experience. I wouldn't be here without UCLA 95 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: coach and Alicia did everything for us. It just had 96 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,239 Speaker 2: fun all the time. And then thought I was ready 97 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: for the tour when I was a twenty nineteen rookie, 98 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: was not made one cut, miss the rest of all 99 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: the tournaments and just didn't have it. I felt so 100 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: much pressure out there, even though I had achieved my 101 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: dream of being on the LPGA, but it just didn't 102 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: feel that way. It felt like every single shot was 103 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: life or death. Put too much pressure on making money 104 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: and trying to just come out of the gate really hot, 105 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 2: but it just didn't happen that way. 106 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: I was saying. I had Joe Scarbn on my podcast 107 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: recently Caddy for Ricky Forever and now Caddy's for Tom Kim. 108 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: But we were talking about Tom as a rookie, and 109 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: it's a theme that I see because I've been on tour, 110 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, working on tour for twenty years. As a rookie, 111 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: I think you can get lost. You can kind of 112 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden. The manufacturers are there, you can 113 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: change your equipment every single week. Try you're putting bad. 114 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: There's fifty different putterns you can try. You're driving it bad. 115 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: You can try driver chefts and change coaches, caddies, all 116 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: of that. And I keep saying this, no one tells 117 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: you how to be a professional athlete, professional golfer, and 118 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: be a professional in the sport. They just throw you 119 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: out there. If you're talented enough, you get on tour. 120 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: There's no training. Okay, some of the tours do some 121 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: media training and some kind of but it's it's not 122 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: real and no one can really prepare you for what 123 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: it's like to be a professional athlete. 124 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely agree, there's really no perfect formula for that. 125 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: You kind of have to figure that out for yourself. 126 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: So twenty nineteen was a hard year for me. Lost 127 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: my card, went back to the EPSOM Tour for two years, 128 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: and just kind of had to find my way back. 129 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: I had to find just kind of re emulate what 130 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: I had in college, just constantly having fun, having a 131 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: good team around me to handle all that stuff. So 132 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,559 Speaker 2: naturally I was going to figure out how to create 133 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: my own team on tour, and slowly I did that 134 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: and then started finding finalizing the final pieces into the team, 135 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: and then now we're here. 136 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: I think that is one thing that I've noticed that 137 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: when you're in when when players are in college, there 138 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: is an enormous amount of structure and a lot of 139 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: times I'll work with college golfers when they're home, the 140 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: coach makes them practice. They don't like when they practice, 141 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: they don't like when what you know, there's a lot 142 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: of things that they don't like, right, but that is 143 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: all there and made for them. Once you turn pro, 144 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: you have to find a course to play out, you 145 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: have to find a place to practice. You've got to 146 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: find a gym, You've got to plan your schedule. Whereas 147 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: college and like you said, junior golf, all of that 148 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: is basically done for you. And I have seen a 149 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: lot of players kind of struggle for a couple of 150 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: years that post college because they don't find their way, 151 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: they don't find the right setup. Why do you think 152 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: it took you a couple of years to find that. 153 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: I think it's just maturity, growing and knowing what I like. 154 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: I like being told when to practice, when to work out, 155 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: and now I have people on my team that kind 156 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: of just overall just look at my schedule and figure 157 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: out what we're doing during the off weeks and all 158 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: that stuff. I think it just makes my life easier 159 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,679 Speaker 2: that we have a routine and everybody has their certain 160 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: tasks to make my life easier so that I can 161 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: go out there and do what I do best. 162 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: You mentioned going to UCLA, you're a first team All American, 163 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: you won eight times. Do you feel that there's a 164 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: difference in winning in college versus now winning majors and 165 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: winning big tournaments on the LPGA. Did you notice a difference. 166 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: Big difference. I think in college I was just having 167 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: fun and then I happened to win. Out here, it's 168 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: a grind, like you really have to not think too 169 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: far ahead. My first win this year, and yeah, I 170 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: shot eight under on the last day, and I didn't 171 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: even know what I was shooting. I didn't look at any. 172 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: Scoreboard or not a scoreboard watcher. 173 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: I used to not be. But and then one day 174 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: I decided I can look at it. 175 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, Lily, you start winning two majors, look. 176 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: At the score It's okay. I just you want to. 177 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: Look at scoreboards when you were in the hunt to 178 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: win major championships. I get the hey, I'm just going 179 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: to play today. Yeah, but if you're on the back 180 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: nine on Sunday and you're in one of the last 181 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,479 Speaker 1: two groups, look at the scoreboard. 182 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: I definitely looked at the open on sixteen. That's when 183 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: I finally I knew I was there. I just didn't 184 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: know how much way I have won. 185 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: Six should sixty six? 186 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 2: I have no idea. 187 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: But an again, that's amazing. You have no idea what 188 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: you shot. I don't know how you're second major this 189 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: year on Sunday. 190 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no idea. I think I just made 191 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: a switch one day and I said, I'm not going 192 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: to let the score scoreboard control me. With the fear 193 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: that I have for it. So I'm like, I'm just 194 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: going to look, what. 195 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: Was that Open Championship? Like, I mean, you start that Sunday, 196 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: you're playing with Charlie Holl I mean, obviously Charlie being 197 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: from the UK, huge fan favorite, You're kind of the underdog, 198 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: You're kind of the the person that they're not rooting for, 199 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: and you basically just light it up. Shoot a great round, 200 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: win by a ton. But that experience to where you're 201 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: on the golf course on Sunday trying to win, well, 202 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: you was it something that you were conscious of, Lily, 203 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: that you're in your head going, Okay, I've got a 204 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: chance to win another major this year. 205 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: I didn't think about it that way, but I knew 206 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: that I was really excited to play in the final 207 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 2: group with Charlie, with the crowd she had. I knew 208 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: on Saturday she played behind me and I heard all 209 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: the roaring and the cheers, and I turned to my caddy, Cole, 210 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: and I said, I want to play with her tomorrow. 211 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: I think it would be so fun. Like the crowd 212 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: that she has going on, we don't see that a lot. 213 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: She pulled a really big crowd in London, She's from there. 214 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: So it was really cool to see she's super fun 215 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: to play with. So I got my wish. I wanted 216 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: to play with her, and a person on my team 217 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: told me, don't be nervous that they're rooting for Charlie. 218 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: They're not rooting against you. They're good fans too, And 219 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 2: I think that kind of flipped my mindset, and I 220 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: was super excited to play Sunday, super nervous, But I 221 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: don't know, I just stuck to it. I didn't try 222 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: to pay attention too much to what she was doing 223 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 2: on the course. I was just trying to do my thing, 224 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: make as many birdies as possible, even though in major 225 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: tough conditions, and so, I mean, it was tough to 226 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: not look at her eagle bunker shot on one of 227 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: the crazy It was so good. I got goosebumps. And 228 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 2: then I just kept doing my thing, just trying to 229 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: play one shot at a time. 230 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: I was listening to a podcast the other day and 231 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: someone was saying that it's okay to take things professional, 232 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: don't take them personal. It was like, if you're going 233 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: to be a professional, if you're going to work in 234 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: any sort of professional environment, things are going to happen 235 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: to you that in your personal life you could take personally, 236 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: but in the profession that you want to be in, 237 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: it's not personal. It's just part of being a professional. 238 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: So you know that going to the UK, you're trying 239 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: to win a major, but someone in that group that 240 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: you're playing with is from the UK. It's not a 241 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: personal thing against you, it's professional. They're going to root 242 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: for her because she is kind of the hometown favorite. 243 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense, and I was really excited for her. 244 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: And like us, I always get excited when I go 245 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 2: to either Scotland or England. I feel like they have 246 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: true golf fans and they know what a good shot is. 247 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: So I was just over the moon to be there. 248 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:29,599 Speaker 1: Honestly, when did it sink in that you were a 249 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: two time major champion, Because I mean, here's the thing. 250 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: Justin Thomas has one two majors. John Rahm is one 251 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: two majors. You have one two majors. It's hard to 252 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: think of yourself in that vein. But the majors, both 253 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: on the men's side and the women's side, that is 254 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: the benchmark, That is where careers are validated, right Brooks 255 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: kept who I work with. Brooks has always held. He's 256 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: always thought if you were a major, you were a 257 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: great player. If you haven't won a major, no matter 258 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: how many tournaments you've won, his mindset is always like, 259 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: to me, it's always been about the greatest players in golf, 260 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: both on the men's and the women's side, are the 261 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: ones that win majors. Now that you're a two time 262 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: major champion, has it sunk into what you've actually done, 263 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: because it is an enormous accomplishment, and it's an enormous 264 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: accomplishment in one year. I mean, we don't see that, right, 265 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: We don't see Brooks has done it, Tiger's done it, 266 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: but there are some great players that have never come 267 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: close to winning two majors in a year. Yeah, you 268 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: are a rarefied rarefied air. I mean, there are not 269 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people at this kind of height on 270 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: the mountain that you're on, and I think sometimes when 271 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: you're doing it, you don't realize it, right, It doesn't 272 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: come across that way. But you are in a category 273 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: now of people that are all time legends that have 274 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: the same amount of major champions, both on the men's 275 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: and the women's side. 276 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: Did you do thank you for saying that I didn't 277 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 2: really realize it until you mentioned it. I haven't thought 278 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: about that I'm a two time major champion, because I 279 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: think if you look at the majors in between, we 280 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 2: got KPMG, US Open, and eavy On I didn't do 281 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 2: so great. I was kind of sure you missed. 282 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: The cut at the US Opening and went on a 283 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: cut streak kind of in that US Open time where 284 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: you'd missed four cuts in a row after winning a major. Again, 285 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: that is an anomaly as well. Normally you win a 286 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: major and you go okay, playing with house money now, Yeah, 287 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna light it up. 288 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't feel that way for me. I felt 289 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: I feel pressure, felt a lot of pressure, and kind 290 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: of just had an internal battle with myself just putting 291 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: myself too high of a standard, and I was kind 292 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: of being a perfectionist, getting really upset not pulling off 293 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: every single shot I hit on the golf course and 294 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: that was really tough for me. And then someone on 295 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: my team on Wednesday at the Open just said, all 296 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: we need to do is get in contention by this 297 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: weekend and would be a good spot to win. And 298 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: that's what we did. We just took it day by day, 299 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: tried to hit the best shot from wherever we ended 300 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: up and then just went from there. 301 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: I've had Adam Scott on my podcast. Scott He's a 302 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: good friend of mine. I've worked with him. But I 303 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: remember in two thousand and one Adam was he was rookie. 304 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: He was still playing on the European Tour, but because 305 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: of his world ranking he was able to come off. 306 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: He'd won one big turn. I think he had won 307 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: a tournament in South Africa. Nothing really really crazy, and 308 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: that is kind of a one the height of Tiger Mania, 309 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: right when Tiger is at like full full Tiger Tiger Tiger. 310 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: He played a practice round in Atlanta, and I'll never 311 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: forget this, he said. Tiger said to Scutty, I've been 312 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: watching you play, yeah, and Adam's like, he's watching me 313 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: my tournaments on TV. It's unbelievable. Yeah, but he said, 314 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: you just have to learn how to hang around more. 315 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: And he said and Adam was like, well, what do 316 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: you mean. He's like, well, you you're leading or one behind. 317 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: After Friday, you shoot sixty six, sixty eight, you're in 318 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: one of the last groups. And on lately on Saturday 319 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: you've been shooting seventy two, seventy three, and then on Sunday, 320 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: the only way you can win the golf tournament is 321 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: to go out and shoot sixty three. So that's a 322 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: tough ask. And he said, if you can find a 323 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: way just to hang around and be one of those 324 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: players on Sunday, there's probably gonna be you know, five 325 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: to eight of them on the back nine. You kind 326 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: of look at the leaderboard. He said, if you can 327 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: just put yourself in position every week, you're gonna have 328 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: weeks where you play great and lose and you don't 329 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: really play that great win and somebody else messes it up. Yeah, 330 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: and I'll always remember this. Tiger Woods, at the height 331 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: of his kind of power, said to Adam Scott, he said, 332 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: can I be honest with you? He said, you know 333 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: what's the most fun for me When I've got a 334 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: one shot lead and I shoot one under and I 335 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: let everybody else mess it up because they feel the pressure. 336 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: He said, I take care of the par fives and 337 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: I just go out and I just say, hey, I've 338 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: done this before, I've been in this situation before. I'm 339 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: gonna let everybody else said, hasn't been in this situation 340 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: before mess it up. So if you think about the 341 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: Masters in twenty nineteen that Tiger won on Sunday, he 342 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: made one birdy, he made one birdy on Sunday and aimed. 343 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: There's a great picture that I sent to Brooks because 344 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: Brooks rinstant in the water made double Frankie Molinari Rinston 345 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: in the water made double Tony Fenaw Rinstant. I mean 346 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: everybody pulled, they all kind of hit it in the water, 347 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: and there was this great picture right behind Tiger. You know, 348 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: the pins over on the right hand side where it 349 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: always is, and he's starting the golf ball left of 350 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: the green and cutting it back into the middle because 351 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: he's hit that shot so many times. Yeah, he's not overawed, 352 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: he's not freaked out by that situation. And Brooks couldn't 353 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: handle it at that time. You know, the wind came up, 354 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: but still you got to execute. So I think what 355 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: you said there is really important that someone on your 356 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: team said, hey, just put yourself in contention. And then 357 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: I also read that after you missed those four cuts, 358 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: your caddy Gole, said hey, let's just go out and 359 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: have fun on the golf course. And I have talked 360 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: to a lot of players, and when they do struggle, 361 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: they talk about that conflict on the golf course where 362 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: it's not fun. Yeah, and when you're a junior golfer, 363 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: it's a blast. You can't wait to get to the 364 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: golf course. You can't wait to play. College golf is fun. 365 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: How do you What is that feeling like when you're 366 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: on the course and it's not fun? What are you 367 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: feeling as a player and as a person. 368 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: I think just very tight overall. I feel like I'm 369 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: not free to play golf the way I want. 370 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: To try not to miss it as opposed to trying. 371 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, just kind of defense golf. It's not fun. I'm 372 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: not having a good time. It's just I'm seeing a shot, 373 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: but it's not doing that. It's not starting online. And 374 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: I think just for me, I play my best golf 375 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: when I have fun first, and then it turns out well, 376 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: you can't rely on Okay, I'm gonna have fun if 377 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: I'm playing well, because that tends to not work. 378 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: It's a moving target. 379 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean I just try I have fun 380 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: the best way I can, just very relax and seeing shots. 381 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: And I remember saying this when I want Onnica a 382 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago that it was just really fun 383 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: to be out there. It was fun to even just 384 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: small things like read the break and like have that 385 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 2: putt go in the way you see it. Little stuff 386 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: like that, seeing shots, creating shots, And that's my version 387 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 2: of fun. I know it's very like golf nerdy, but 388 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: that's just how it works. 389 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: And uh, you won kind of the last tournament of 390 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: the year on the on the regular, the regular, on 391 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: the regular schedule, and I thought Texas Roadhouse, I mean 392 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: talking through it. I mean, if your agent doesn't have 393 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: a Texas Roadhouse logo on your sleep, I mean you 394 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: said on Saturday night you played, you played good on Saturday, 395 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: and they asked you you said, well, went to Texas 396 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: Roadhouse for steak the night before. Where did that come from? 397 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: Oh? I have this ongoing theory that if I eat 398 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: steak the night before around I just play really well. 399 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: I love that and it's shown true quite a bit. 400 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: I did go to Texas Roadhouse again that Saturday night 401 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 2: and then ended up winning the next day. 402 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: I mean, so it's science right at this point that 403 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: those are data points that you can kind of touch 404 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: and field. 405 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Texas Roadhouse got a lot of pr from that. Though. 406 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: Let's go back to the beginning. You started playing golf 407 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: when you were seven. Do you remember what you liked 408 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: about golf growing up? What was it that took you 409 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: to golf? Did someone else take you to golf? I'm 410 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: always interested in players kind of journeys. 411 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, So my older brother started golf with my dad, 412 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 2: and my would just bring me just to watch and sit, 413 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: and I think I was trying to be funny imitating 414 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 2: my brother's golf swing. Mom gave me a club, and 415 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: then now I'm better than him and I'm playing professionally. Yeah, 416 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: so that's how it started. My brother ended up playing 417 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 2: D one golf at UC Riverside, and then I went 418 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: to UCLA and then yeah, and then had a good 419 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: college career. 420 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: What kind of junior golfer were you? 421 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: My mom says I was really good, but I don't 422 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: think I was that great. I think just I felt 423 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: like people were winning left and right in junior golf 424 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: and I just didn't have that. And then once I 425 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: went to UCLA, I learned a lot from my teammates, 426 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: from my coaches, and I think that's when I really 427 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: fell in love with golf. I think learning how to win, 428 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: learning how to even take notes on a yardage book, 429 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: like what I need to write down during practice rounds, 430 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: just having fun and then not being too hard on yourself. 431 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 2: It was just like, hey, I'm with a bunch of 432 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 2: my best friends at skill play and have a good time. 433 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: So how do you crack the code from junior golf 434 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: where you're not a prolific winner to going and playing 435 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: at UCLA first team All America? But you win eight 436 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: times in were there for four years? 437 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 2: Three and a half? 438 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you win eight times in three and a half years. 439 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: I mean that's a lot of golf, and that is 440 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: a again, that is maybe you don't realize it, but 441 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: that is not normal, right, That is not a normal 442 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: resume where people are just like, yeah, I mean I've 443 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: got close to double digit wins in college. The people 444 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: that do that are superstars, right, And so how what 445 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: did you learn in college that maybe you didn't know 446 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: in junior golf? 447 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: Biggest thing for me in college was learning how to 448 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: read the break. When I first got to UCLA, my 449 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: assistant coach, Alicia, taught me how to read aim point 450 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 2: point you. So from there, on. I just knew how 451 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 2: to read rereads. I was kind of playing around figuring 452 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 2: out calibrating my fingers and how far away I need 453 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 2: to put my arm, and that just made it easy 454 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: for me. I think I had problems reading the green 455 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 2: when I was a junior golfer, and then I came 456 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 2: to UCLA and learned how to do that. And then 457 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: also just looking up to my older teammates had I 458 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: followed Bronti Laws pretty close with her and just listening 459 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 2: to and seeing what she would write down on her 460 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 2: gyardage books. She said, write down everything you see out there, 461 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: things that you might need, things you don't want to 462 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: be at, where's a good place to miss it, and 463 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 2: just little things like that. And I think in my 464 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: mind and I figured out how to play the most 465 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 2: simple golf. Okay, this is I know this is going 466 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: to be kind of difficult to understand, I think, but 467 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 2: my assistant coach made pin locations with two zero lines. 468 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 2: There's a green one for uphill, a red one for downhill, 469 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: and I would hit to those lines to have a 470 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: straight putt, and it would just make my life easier. Okay, 471 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 2: it's just downhill, straight putt. 472 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: Hit it to the straight putt down the slope or 473 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: hit it to the straight put up the slope. Those 474 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: you better be a striker to do that. 475 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I would try to do that. 476 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 2: If not, then we'll figure it out from there. But 477 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 2: I remember actively trying to do that, and I think 478 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: that helped me a lot, to be honest. And then 479 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 2: you get out here and no more Green's book, no 480 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: more of this, and I'm like, oh, shoot, I hope 481 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: I'm still good at golf and can make birdies that way. 482 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that was a big just learning 483 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: how to see the green Con tour, knowing where the 484 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 2: zero lines are and then the ninety degrees is when 485 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: it breaks the most. So just little stuff like that 486 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 2: and just understanding putting. 487 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: One of the things I think that ain point helps 488 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: players with because Green reading, like you said, either you 489 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: either have that skill or you don't. And I think 490 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: one of the great things about a point is it 491 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: has helped, you know. I look at the work that 492 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: DJ and his brother AJ did on that run where 493 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: DJ won the Masters and won the FedEx. AJ started 494 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: doing a point and started reading all the putts for DJ, 495 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: and it really really did help. But I think one 496 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: of the things that am point helps professionals do is 497 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: you go through the process, you go through the read, 498 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: and if you miss it, you can almost let it 499 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: go the fact that you missed it because you went 500 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: through a process that you chose, and so you either 501 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: have to let yourself off the hook immediately and go, Okay, 502 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: it just didn't go in because I thought it was 503 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,719 Speaker 1: going to do this and I read it to do 504 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: this and it didn't, And you can then go, Okay, 505 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: are going to try and do that on the next hole. Yeah, 506 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: Pecause I think if you're constantly in and out of 507 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: it and you don't know what's going on, I think 508 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: sticking with that process can somewhat help you let go 509 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: of a failure. 510 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I one hundred percent stand by my system. I 511 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,479 Speaker 2: think I've done it for years. I know it works, 512 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: So when I miss a putt, I'm not too bent 513 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: up about it. I know that, Okay, Like, there's only 514 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 2: two things that can happen. You either make the plot 515 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: or you miss it. It's not that deep. And I 516 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 2: was telling my Caddie today, I was like, that's my 517 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 2: mindset with putting. I think that's why it helps so much, 518 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: because Hey, I did what I needed to do. I 519 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: did my system. If it works, then it works, and 520 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: if it doesn't, then you move on and you try again. 521 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: If you were a player on the LPJ and got 522 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: paired with you for the first time, what do you 523 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: think you would think about your game and the way 524 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: that you play? What would you if you had to 525 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: describe your game? What do you do well? What are 526 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: the attributes that you have? What are some of the 527 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: idiosyncrasies that you have as a player. 528 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: I think my strength is definitely putting. I think if 529 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: I'm hitting it, driving it pretty well, and I get 530 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 2: it on the green, I have a pretty good chance 531 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 2: of making that berdie. I don't know why I have 532 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 2: that feeling, but if I'm on a putting surface, I 533 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 2: have a good feeling it's getting in. So I think 534 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: just pretty simple, just going driver to Do. 535 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: You like to work the golf ball? Do you like 536 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: to hit it one direction? 537 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 2: Yeah? I just like a push straw. If it's not 538 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: a push straw, it's probably a mess, to be honest. Yeah, 539 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 2: I'm very just simple. I like to see that right 540 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: to left. I love playing with players that can bring 541 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 2: it right to left, like I love playing with Charlie. 542 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 2: I love playing with Lynn Grant. I just think that. 543 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 1: You played with Rory McElroy. No, you really like that? 544 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'll love that. 545 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: You talk about the absolute blueprint, very high bomb nuke 546 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: draw with the driver. Have you ever seen it up close? 547 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 2: No? 548 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: I mean, if you ever, I mean, if you ever 549 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: get a chance to watch Worry mclroy hit golf balls 550 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: up close. By the time he gets the driver where 551 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: he starts hitting drivers, you're just gonna be standing there 552 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: just your mouth is just gonna be open because it 553 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: just the way he drives the golf ball, and he's 554 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: never off balance. He hits he's you know, he carries 555 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: at three thirty in the air. They're high bomb neutraws right. 556 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: He never looked. It's like I keep saying this, it's 557 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: like he's a gymnast. He sticks the landing. Yeah, and 558 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: it just looks so natural. 559 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks normal. Just nothing. 560 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: What would your caddy, coll say you're like to work for? 561 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. 562 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: And what do you need and want from a caddy. 563 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 2: That's a good question. 564 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: Because you've said in college you like structure, you like 565 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: someone to tell you what to do. So are you 566 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: a player that wants the caddy to give you the 567 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: yardage and go it's a seven iron, and you go, cool, 568 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: it's a seven iron. Is there a collaboration? Do you 569 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: want the back and forth or what kind of info 570 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: and what interaction do you like? 571 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: I kind of like to just be on auto pilot. 572 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: He'll tell me the number. I say, oh, is it 573 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: a soft six. He'll be like yeah, just let's say 574 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: one seventy stock draw and then I'll be like okay, yeah, 575 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: just right up the pin, maybe four yards, or we'll 576 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 2: find a specific target. I'm very specific target oriented. It 577 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 2: can't just be like right center the fairway. It has 578 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: to be something. 579 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: So are you picking out things on the horizon? Trees, grandstands, 580 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: antennas as to where your. 581 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: Trylist started, Yeah, it could be palm trees. He'll well, 582 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: we'll do landing points because I have leeway of where 583 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: I want to start my ball. So he'll tell me, okay, 584 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: we want to land on the Grant Thornton logo or 585 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 2: something else like that. 586 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: So something behind the red that is a visual for you. 587 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: So you can look at the flag and say, okay, 588 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: I see the logo. Yeah, five yards right, Okay, that's 589 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: where I'm going to. 590 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 2: Try and land. Yeah, and then he could say, oh, 591 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: it's a little off the left, so you want to 592 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 2: land on the Grant Thornton logo, so maybe start a 593 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: little left of that so that it could help with 594 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: pushing the ball off the face and little stuff like that. 595 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: I think I kind of just try and go wherever 596 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 2: he tells me to go, unless I really need to 597 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 2: voice of my opinion and I'm like, hey, I really 598 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: don't think it's an eight year I think it's seven. 599 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: Then we'll kind of just go from there. 600 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 1: It's but much more of a soldier mentality. I know 601 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: what to do. Just give me the information, tell me 602 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: where we're going, and I'll go. Yeah. 603 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: I kind of just take order, not take orders like that, 604 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: but like pretty good. It just helps me because then 605 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 2: I can just focus on hitting that shot instead of okay, 606 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: like me going to go get that yardage and double 607 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 2: checking if he's right. I know he's right, so then 608 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 2: we don't have to go like there's no lack of 609 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: confidence there. 610 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: One of the generalizations that I noticed between the LPGA 611 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: and the PGA tour is at times when I'm out 612 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,959 Speaker 1: on the LPG or I'm watching, it seems like the 613 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: interaction between the player and the caddy there can be 614 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: a lot of information going back and forth. And yes, 615 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: there are players on the PGA tour that do that. 616 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: Guys you know, Michael Greller and Jordan Spieth. I mean 617 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: they're they're writing a novel sometimes on the shots. But 618 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the interaction between the guys and their 619 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: caddies is it's not as much information. And I think 620 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: at times it seems to me that at times the LPGA, 621 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: the players maybe can get overloaded with too much information. 622 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: So you're not reacting as an athlete, you're not reacting 623 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: as a player. You're almost you've taken on so much 624 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: information that you're like, oh gosh, there's a lot to 625 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: hit a seven iron from a buck fifty. 626 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty particular. I want to know 627 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: how far it is, how far it's playing with the wind, 628 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: so I'll know like where the wind's coming from, how 629 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 2: much it's affecting the ball, and then I'll want to 630 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 2: know how far is it based on like how far 631 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: is it to the front or how far is it 632 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 2: to the back. If it's like closer to one side 633 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 2: or the other or how much room I have. But 634 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 2: once I kind of once I hear the number, I 635 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: kind of know what I'm hitting. 636 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, are you a big practicer? What's your practice routine like? 637 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: What are off weeks like for you? What are tournament 638 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: weeks like? There are It runs the gamut right There 639 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: are people that spend four or five six hours on 640 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: the range. They want to be there, they need to 641 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: be there. Their identity is in practicing. And then there 642 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: are other players that are like you know, I'm not 643 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: gonna really practice much. I'm trying. If you had a 644 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: choice between practicing and playing, which one are you choosing? 645 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 2: Playing every single day? Now? Just kidding. I love playing practice. 646 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 2: I'm not much of a practicer. I will maybe two 647 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: three times a week during my off weeks. But I 648 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 2: love playing. I love playing with friends, anyone that's back home, 649 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: just people from my club. And yeah, I'm much more 650 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 2: of a player even out here. I don't really go 651 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 2: and find something on the range post round. I think 652 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: I was telling another girl in my group today the 653 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 2: four winds I've had. I've never went to a range 654 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 2: of practice afterwards. I care more about just managing my 655 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 2: body and how my body feels and just maintaining rest. 656 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: And that is very much the Dustin Johnson, the DJ model. DJA. 657 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: He doesn't hit a lot of golf balls after the round, 658 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: regardless of whether he plays well, and even if he 659 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: plays poorly. You know, I've said this a million times 660 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: on the pod, but there are loads of times where 661 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm standing and scoring. He you know, DJ, with all 662 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: of his firepower, all the par fives he can reach, 663 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: he'll make a double on one of them, and he'll 664 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: come in. He'll shoot you know, one two over and 665 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: his brother will be shaking his head and I'll say, hey, 666 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: do you want to go hit balls? And he'll go nah, 667 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: and really hit that bad today. And AJ's sitting there 668 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: looking at me, going, bro, it was awful, but he 669 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: just he's like, I'll figure it out tomorrow. I know 670 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: what I need to do. I'll be fine. Brooks And 671 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: I've said this a lot too. Brooks likes to go 672 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: to the range, whether he shut sixty three or whether 673 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: he shot seventy five. Yeah, the range, and half the 674 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: time he just wants to go there and kind of 675 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: talk download and go through the round. He needs that, 676 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: he needs that kind of downtime to kind of go okay, 677 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: and we know now to do that. But one of 678 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 1: the and I've said this before a well, but I 679 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: think it's something it's important for people to hear, like yourself. 680 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: We were at the Tour Championship. Once Brooks had played 681 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: pretty good, he hit a couple bad drives, he said, 682 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: let's get the launchmonner out. We got the launchmoner out, 683 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: and then we're starting to dissect everything, and Ricky said, hey, 684 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: can we go home. You shot sixty six today and 685 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: you're leading by whatever. Yeah, we can find stuff to 686 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: work on if you want to work on it. But 687 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: it's working pretty good. Let's go home and let's get 688 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: off the range. 689 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the opposite of me. I think I'm down 690 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 2: more of DJ's path. Just if I play good, I'm 691 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: not practicing. If I play bad, I need to forget 692 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: my swing and then figure it out the next day. 693 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 2: I don't know why I got into that mindset, but 694 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 2: I think it just helps me because I'm not going 695 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 2: to find anything on the range. 696 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: I think, are you warming up on the range or 697 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: you is the range warm up? In a tournament? Tournament 698 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: day Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. How important is your warm 699 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: up to you? How important is it to your psyche 700 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: as to what you've seen in the warm up going 701 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: to the course. 702 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 2: Usually, if I have a bad warm up, that's a 703 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: good sign. I'll go play like the best golf I've 704 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 2: ever played. For some reason, it tends to be like 705 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: that all the time. So I think I don't take 706 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 2: into heart a bad warm up too much because somehow 707 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 2: it just turns out well. And then, yeah, I think 708 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 2: it's just very simple for me. 709 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: So how going into twenty twenty four do you manage 710 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: the expectations that you have? Do you manage the expectations 711 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: that your team has, and then obviously managing the expectations 712 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: that the wider golf world has. I mean next year 713 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, you play good next year and win 714 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: once and don't win a major and don't win four times, 715 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: it's easy to see that as a down year based 716 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: off of the year that you've had. Yeah, and we 717 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: saw this. I think Jordan Speith when he came out 718 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: on tour. Jordan had a career year when two majors 719 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: and he had a rear year in one year, and 720 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: it's hard to sustain that. What are you looking to 721 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: do next year, and how are you trying to in 722 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: your own head say, Okay, how am I going to 723 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,959 Speaker 1: manage expectations? 724 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, So during the off season, I think my team 725 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 2: will kind of reevaluate what needs to be better. I 726 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 2: know there's a lot in my game that can be better. 727 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 2: For some reason, I just feel like this is not 728 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 2: the limit. Like I feel like I can be so 729 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 2: much better short game wise, ball striking, off the tee, everything, 730 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 2: And so I think usually during off season I write 731 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 2: down a series of my goals and put it away 732 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 2: and see by the end of the year, see if 733 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 2: I've achieved it all. So I haven't looked at my 734 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 2: goals that I wrote down for this past year. 735 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: Were they to win two majors? 736 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,959 Speaker 2: I don't really so I don't remember. 737 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: Were they to win four times? 738 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 2: Maybe? I think after this event I'll relook at it 739 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 2: and see if I did touch all of them. But 740 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 2: I think I'll be pretty close to what I wrote down. 741 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 2: So I'm excited to just sit down, think about what 742 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 2: I want to do next year and see if I 743 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 2: achieve it again. 744 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: Lastly, I was looking you toured pro in nineteen, you 745 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 1: played nine events, you made one cut, you made three thousand, 746 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: eight hundred and thirty dollars this year. You won four times, 747 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: two majors, and you made three point five million dollars 748 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 1: in nineteen when you were at that stage of missing 749 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: you know, basically all the cuts. We're not that far 750 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: removed from that. I mean, if someone had told you, hey, 751 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: I know it's tough right now, but in twenty twenty three, 752 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna win four times, win two majors, be Rolex 753 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: Player of the Year. I heard from someone on your 754 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: team that when you were junior golfer you always wore 755 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: a white Rolex hat, and now you are the Rolex 756 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: Player of the Year. I mean that's just crazy. 757 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, to come full circle like this is kind of crazy. 758 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 2: I think twenty nineteen, Lilia would never have thought that 759 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 2: I'd be in this position. I think I've just had 760 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 2: a phenomenal year, and I haven't had much time to 761 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 2: think about it. Definitely during the off season, I will. 762 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 2: I think just played so many tournaments in between, and 763 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 2: it's been a busy season. But I'm very grateful to 764 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 2: be here. I'm actually super grateful that the twenty nineteen 765 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: season happened because I learned so much failure. Yeah, hot 766 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: to fail, that's the best way to learn. 767 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: And I think junior golfers, and I think you know 768 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: this now, junior golfers are so afraid to fail. Even 769 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: in college. If you're not winning, it's easy to go Okay, 770 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm no good, I'm no good. I'm going good. But 771 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: the failure that you went through in nineteen to where 772 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: you reach your dream, you get on the LPGA Tour 773 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: for the first time, and then you just don't. You 774 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: don't have it, you don't play good. It's easy to 775 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: let that affect you. But I think what I'm hearing 776 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: you say is without that, this year doesn't happen exactly. 777 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,399 Speaker 2: If I didn't hit rock bottom, I wouldn't be able 778 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 2: to step back and see what I needed to change 779 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,479 Speaker 2: in order to be here. And then I slowly worked 780 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 2: my way, learn new things, took things from other people 781 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 2: that I saw, and then also tried to create a 782 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 2: full team around me to help me with everything. And 783 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,919 Speaker 2: then that allowed me to just focus on golf. There's 784 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 2: nothing I needed to add this year. I just needed 785 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 2: to play golf, and that's what happened. 786 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,240 Speaker 1: Well, if you haven't you said you hadn't thought about it. 787 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: This is a hell of a year and you've got 788 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: to be incredibly proud of yourself, and I think everybody 789 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: is excited to see what you do in the future. 790 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: My advice stay on the stake, stay all mistake. 791 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 2: Okay, definitely stay wins. Yes, steak wins. Thank you so 792 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 2: much for having. 793 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: I have a good off season. 794 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. 795 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: So that was the world number one liliavou What a 796 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: cool story, and like I said at the beginning, a huge, 797 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: huge year, a breakout year, and a year I think 798 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 1: could have gotten a little bit more following and had 799 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: people talking about it because it is one of the breakout, 800 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: standout career years that anyone's had. We haven't seen someone 801 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: step up and win two majors. I mean, that just 802 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. So really really impressed with her as a player, 803 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: Excited to see what she does in twenty twenty four, 804 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: and I am definitely a fan. I want to thank 805 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: everyone for listening twenty twenty four. The pod is going 806 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: to be bringing in some good guests, excited to bring 807 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: some new stuff and just try and help everybody get 808 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: better with their golf and enjoy their golf more. Son 809 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: of a Butch comes to you every Wednesday. We will 810 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,439 Speaker 1: see you next week.