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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Mollie John Fast, and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And RFK has finally admitted that he

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Speaker 1: has brighten worms. We always knew it to be true.

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. State

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Speaker 1: Senator Tony Vargas stops by to talk about running for

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Speaker 1: Congress against Congressman Don Bacon in Nebraska.

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Speaker 2: Then we'll talk to the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: Frank Bruney about his new book, The Age of Grievance.

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Speaker 1: But first we have the host of the Bulwark Daily podcast,

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Speaker 1: The Bullworks, Tim Miller.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Fast Politics. Tim Miller, it's good to

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Speaker 2: be back.

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Speaker 3: Mollie John Fast.

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Speaker 1: It's good to have you. So tell me if you

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Speaker 1: think this is crazy. This is the thing I've been

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Speaker 1: thinking a lot about. Is like there's such vibe based

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Speaker 1: feeling every day in this fucking run up to the

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Speaker 1: forever election.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you check in with people and they're like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god.

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Speaker 1: You know I have a friend who is like ambassadors

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Speaker 1: are trying to find trumpy ambassadors so that when Trump

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Speaker 1: comes back into power these countries and you know he's

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Speaker 1: and da da da, like I feel like and then

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Speaker 1: he's up six points. Like don't you feel like there's

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Speaker 1: sort of a vibe based group think that is hard

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Speaker 3: I do think that. I think that it is for

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Speaker 3: a couple of reasons. One, it's just our social media existence.

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Speaker 3: You know, there just wasn't like a need for having

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Speaker 3: constant opinions about elections that you know, in nineteen ninety six,

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Speaker 3: maybe you checked in the morning paper, maybe mention it

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Speaker 3: to one guy at work at the lunch room or gal,

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Speaker 3: but that was about it. So I think social media

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Speaker 3: creates it. And I also think that just fear of

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Speaker 3: Trump creates it. Right, I mean right, people are so

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Speaker 3: scared about it and so anxious that you know, they're

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Speaker 3: looking for a salve, right, They're looking for a fact

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Speaker 3: or somebody to give him hope. I'm looking for Simon

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Speaker 3: Rosenberg to give him a little hopeum one day and

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Speaker 3: then God loves Simon, that's not a criticism. And then

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Speaker 3: they're looking like they're trying to come up with, Okay,

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Speaker 3: what's my plan, what's my prepper plan for if he

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Speaker 3: it's just been a very long election. I mean, like

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Speaker 1: So you were right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jesse's doing it. I just pulled it up to

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Speaker 3: Hillary conceded June seventh. It looks like like it was

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Speaker 1: And the thing that people do now, and I wonder

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Speaker 3: I have to tell you I mentally was not allowing

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Speaker 1: Right And I think, look, it's easier to keep an

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Speaker 1: doing right now. But I think what's hard for me

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Speaker 1: RFK said he had a big dead worm in his brain.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are like violent people who are in jail.

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Speaker 3: I think you have to break these bubbles somehow. And

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Speaker 3: I understand the platform and complaint. I think a lot

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: obvious fuck up. But like, not every situation is Trump

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Speaker 3: makes sense. But people who are in presidential politics, who

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Speaker 3: Right, It's hard, These are hard choices. This is all

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Speaker 3: I kind of hate, like the broad brush media criticism.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you should just write about what's important,

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Speaker 5: You know, It's like.

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Speaker 1: It's also a mechanics problem, like the you know, the

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, you know, look, the guy is in court,

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Speaker 3: just like, it's an overwhelming amount of stuff that you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've written about the stormy testimony, and I

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Speaker 2: And this is a woman.

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Speaker 1: She was young, she was twenty seven, but she had

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Speaker 2: New to her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm obsessed about talking about this because I think

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Speaker 3: it gets shrunk in media discourse too. Trump had sex

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Speaker 3: like that makes it seem like badass, Like yeah, Trump

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Speaker 3: her Like that is a disgusting rape adjacent. It's not

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Speaker 3: rape good on Stormy, Like can Stormy did not make

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Speaker 1: And I also think when you read the Olivia Nazzi

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Speaker 1: piece in your magazine, she says, I thought we were

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Speaker 2: And I realized that.

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Speaker 1: She actually says in the piece of everything he was

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Speaker 1: it just struck me as such a like heartbreaking moment

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Speaker 2: She realizes that he's just been lying this whole time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's sick.

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Speaker 3: I hate him so much, Mollie, you have no idea.

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Speaker 1: I just would like to not spend the next.

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Speaker 3: Can we re interrst the people that I hate? Now?

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Speaker 3: Thank you the most, thank you, And that's your show,

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Speaker 3: so we can do it everyone. We can talk about

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Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Green, we can talk about jazz Fest. We've

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Speaker 1: Tony Vargas is a state senator and candidate for Congress

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Speaker 1: in Nebraska's second district. Welcome to Fast Politics, Tony. Tell

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Speaker 1: me where you're running and what you're running for and the.

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Speaker 2: Whole kaboodle, the whole.

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Speaker 4: My name is Tony Vargas. I am a state senator

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Speaker 4: in Nebraska, and I'm running for Congress from Nebraska's second

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Speaker 4: congressional district.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, And tell me what does that district look like?

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Speaker 4: An incredibly unique independent district. This is where the big

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Speaker 4: city of Omaha is. This is also a district that's

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Speaker 4: voted for Trump in twenty sixteen, then voted for Biden

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty. It's urban, you know, sort of suburban

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Speaker 4: sprawl and a little bit of rural. So it's it's

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Speaker 4: just an incredibly diverse district in terms of all the

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Speaker 4: geographic locations, and it's where I've served in office for

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Speaker 4: eight years as a state senator.

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Speaker 1: And two it's Nebraska's second district. Right, yes, correct, So,

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Speaker 1: and right now you're running against the Republican who is

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Speaker 1: in there?

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Speaker 2: Who is Don Bacon?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you got it?

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Speaker 2: Is he running for reelection?

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Speaker 4: He is running for reelection. Yeah, he's in the middle

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Speaker 4: of his own battle right now in a primary right

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Speaker 4: and against him.

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Speaker 1: Yet, Yeah, so Bacon is a he's one of these

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Speaker 1: embryonic personhood people talk to us about Republicans and their

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Speaker 1: obsession with banning both abortion and IBF.

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Speaker 4: I mean, one, I can tell you it's at a

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Speaker 4: step with this districts. We continually hear from Nebraskans and

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Speaker 4: in this district that the overwhelming majority support reproductive freedom

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Speaker 4: and abortion rights. And you know, sixty one percent of

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Speaker 4: the district supports it. He is incredibly at a step.

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Speaker 4: He didn't just co sponsor the Life of Conception Act once,

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Speaker 4: he co sponts it it three times. This extreme Haga

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Speaker 4: position on a banning abortion nationwide with no exceptions and

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Speaker 4: no carve out for IVF is what he really wants

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Speaker 4: to do. It is what he is pushing for, It's

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Speaker 4: what he cares about. But I love seeing him try

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Speaker 4: to pivot on this because co spots through legislation and

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Speaker 4: Lutley saying he thinks he is smarter than women and

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Speaker 4: physicians is making people angry at the district and is

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Speaker 4: at a step up with the Bradskins in the second districts.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things you are doing is talking

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Speaker 1: to people who in a district they voted for Trump

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen but voted for Biden in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: I live in the Acela Corridor, so I am subjected

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Speaker 1: to vibes based punditry. And I'm curious since you are

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Speaker 1: actually in a district that is in some ways about weather, right,

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Speaker 1: because your people are clearly a little bit sane, right,

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Speaker 1: because they voted for Trump and then voted for Biden.

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Speaker 1: So I'm curious what are their concerns and what are

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Speaker 1: their anxieties? And are you talking to people who are like,

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Speaker 1: we can't let this guy get back in office or

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Speaker 1: are they Trump curious again?

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Speaker 2: Have they like?

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Speaker 1: The big anxiety in the media industrial complex is that

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Speaker 1: people have forgotten Trump?

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Speaker 2: Do you are you seeing that? What are you seeing

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Speaker 2: when you talk to voters?

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't think people have forgotten Trump at all.

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Speaker 4: You know, Trump isn't actually very very unpopular in the district.

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Speaker 4: It is very clear where Bacon stands on this. You know,

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Speaker 4: he didn't just endorse him to time. He was the

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Speaker 4: first member of the federal delegation to endorse Trump the

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Speaker 4: first two times and just endorsed him a third time.

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Speaker 4: People were taking notice of that. They know that he's

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Speaker 4: endorsed somebody that is indicted so many times that we've

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Speaker 4: lost count and know that somebody that undermines democracy and

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Speaker 4: that wants to, you know, continue to support, you know,

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Speaker 4: people that are subverting our government system. And he's just

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Speaker 4: as extreme. And you know, I think what what we've

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Speaker 4: seen and heard from people on the ground is they

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Speaker 4: want an everyday person in Congress. They want a working

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Speaker 4: class individual that's going to fight for them. And when

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Speaker 4: we talk to people, I get to share with him.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm the son of Peruving immigrants. I am

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Speaker 4: a first generation college graduate. I was a public school

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Speaker 4: science teacher. I've served as a school board member, and

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Speaker 4: I've been a state senator, you know, and I'm a father.

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Speaker 4: I have two young kids and the wonderful, amazing wife

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Speaker 4: and that you know, and she's got her own career, working,

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Speaker 4: you know, in the nonnprofit law sector. And we are

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Speaker 4: working parents trying to fight for others. And in the legislature,

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Speaker 4: that's what I've done. I prioritized fighting for the middle class.

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Speaker 4: You know, this is bringing jobs to this state. You know,

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Speaker 4: so like worked on the complementary legislation to help the

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Speaker 4: Chips Act. You know, Bacon's voted against the Chips Act,

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Speaker 4: and we're trying to make sure we are investing in

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Speaker 4: the next generation of American made jobs. You know, Bacon

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Speaker 4: voted against the American Rescue Plan Act, you know, to

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Speaker 4: try to help us bounce back from COVID nineteen, help

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Speaker 4: our businesses and individuals. And I work to leverage these

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Speaker 4: funds with a few other sub senators to secure more

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Speaker 4: than two hundred and fifty million dollars for the east

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Speaker 4: side of the second District. And so they know that

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Speaker 4: one Bacon is extreme. He is endorsing Trump a third time,

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Speaker 4: and he's doing absolutely nothing to actually help middle class families.

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Speaker 4: And we're not letting them forget it.

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Speaker 1: When you talk to people on the ground, what do

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Speaker 1: they say. Do they blame Biden for inflation? Are they

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Speaker 1: mad about inflation? Are they worried about democracy? What are

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Speaker 1: voters concerns that you're hearing.

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Speaker 4: Well, you hit one thing on the head, which is

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Speaker 4: they're frustrated. And I get why they're frustrated inflation. You know,

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Speaker 4: even even when we are investing in jobs and even

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Speaker 4: when we're doing more to to to give money back

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Speaker 4: to people, inflation is rising. And it hurts. It hurts

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Speaker 4: families that are trying to pay childcare, and it's getting

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Speaker 4: expensive more expensive. It hurts when you're trying to pay

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Speaker 4: rent or your mortgage. It hurts when you're trying to

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Speaker 4: pay your gas bill or your grocery spill. It does.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's stepping up and recognizing that, and

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Speaker 4: so we hear that, and then I get to tell

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Speaker 4: people that's the reason why I'm running. You know, in

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Speaker 4: the legislature, I've I've given I've given money back to

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Speaker 4: Nebraska and so I've voted for tax relief and in

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Speaker 4: record numbers. I've also been able to balance our budget.

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Speaker 4: I've been able to invest invest in jobs, and then

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Speaker 4: Bacon voting against lowering prescription drug costs, and voting against

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Speaker 4: lowering health insurance premips, and voting against the middle class

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Speaker 4: tax cut, and you know, and talking about gutting soul

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Speaker 4: security and medicare. We hear that they want somebody that

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Speaker 4: it's going to actually listen to their pain and how

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Speaker 4: they're feeling right now economically and is going to do

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Speaker 4: something about it, rather than somebody that like Bacon, that's

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Speaker 4: just talking as if he is going to do something.

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Speaker 4: But look, after you know, eight years, isn't actually get

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Speaker 4: anything done to lower the cost of living for every

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Speaker 4: data Braskets.

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Speaker 1: Do you talk to people who get twenty five dollars

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Speaker 1: insulin and are they like, oh, this was Biden.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they're able to thread the needle?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think one thing is true. People know that

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Speaker 4: this administration is responsible for lowering the cost of insulin,

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Speaker 4: and that Democrats have been leading on lowering the cost

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Speaker 4: of healthcare. But we also have people like Bacon that

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Speaker 4: try to lie. You know, he tried to take credit

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Speaker 4: for it, you know, even though he voted against the

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Speaker 4: actual legislation that lowered you know, insulin costs for Nebraskas

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Speaker 4: and so I think that's what this is. There's a

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Speaker 4: lot of issues that we're hearing from people, but like

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Speaker 4: the top three things we hear from me is cost

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Speaker 4: of living hurts, Inflation hurts, and we want somebody that's

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Speaker 4: going to listen and it's going to do something about it.

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Speaker 4: I have a record of getting into action and being

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Speaker 4: an actual problem solve on behalf of Nebraskans. People want

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Speaker 4: somebody that's going to respect their privacy and their freedoms.

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Speaker 4: And Bacon inserting themselves between a physician and you know,

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Speaker 4: and their families and women, you know, is not only

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Speaker 4: out of step, is incredibly extreme for this country and

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Speaker 4: extreme for this district. And then lastly, they do want

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Speaker 4: somebody that's going to stand up to democracy. You know,

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Speaker 4: Bacon endorsing Trump three times despite everything tells me he

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Speaker 4: cares more about power, power and politics and the party

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Speaker 4: and standing by Trump and doesn't have the backbone to

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Speaker 4: actually represent our country in Congress when we need it

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Speaker 4: the most. We need it the most, We need somebody

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Speaker 4: that's going to stand up to extreme as well.

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Speaker 2: Is the mood in Nebraska sour though? Are people in

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Speaker 2: a bad mood.

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Speaker 4: We've been listening to Nebraskas, and we've been doing events.

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Speaker 4: We've been we've been knocking on tens of thousands of doors,

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Speaker 4: and my wife and my kids and I when we're

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Speaker 4: listening to people, we recognize and hear the pain of

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Speaker 4: people are also seeing hope. They're seeing hope. We're trying

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Speaker 4: to reach out to them. Like there's differences in what

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Speaker 4: we're seeing on the ground and we're also seeing it

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Speaker 4: are upholling. Like right now we are up in the

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Speaker 4: polls forty six to forty three, which reminds us that,

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Speaker 4: like people want something different. They want to know voting

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Speaker 4: against them, and I told you how extreme Bacon is

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Speaker 4: and what they're voting against, but they also want to

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Speaker 4: know what you stand for. And we've been able to

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Speaker 4: tell them and communicate and we will over the next

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Speaker 4: six months reach out to people, meet them where they're at,

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Speaker 4: and also tell them what's at stake. We need somebody

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Speaker 4: that's going to protect democracy. We need somebody that will

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Speaker 4: always fall back and listen to people first, not parties,

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Speaker 4: you know, not not super wealthy people, but then first.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's why, you know, Bacon's incredibly unpopular

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Speaker 4: in the district. You know, in our you know, he's

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Speaker 4: he's underwater and negative eleven in terms of his unfavorability

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Speaker 4: in the district. And that shows us that people are

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Speaker 4: are fed up with with somebody that's just going to

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Speaker 4: blindly support you know, extreme magor right, you know, wing

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Speaker 4: to the party, and and they want somebody that's going

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Speaker 4: to try to represent everybody. And I've done that for

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Speaker 4: the last eight years, for the last eleven years, is

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Speaker 4: acted official. So it matters, you know, it matters that

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Speaker 4: you know, we've been listening and we've been we've been

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Speaker 4: actually acting and trying to reach many people's possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems really important and good. So I'm just

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Speaker 1: curious how you sort of you run Are people able

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Speaker 1: to sort of figure out that there is a connection

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Speaker 1: between the dysfunction in the house and flipping the seat.

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Speaker 1: And also, I think one of the big anxieties that

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Speaker 1: a lot of us have is that there's a sense

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Speaker 1: in which we wonder how much is getting through to

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Speaker 1: people because of what's happened with the media so and

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Speaker 1: the death of local news. So for example, yesterday Marjorie

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Speaker 1: Taylor Green did another motion to vacate. So I'm wondering

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Speaker 1: if you see voters like, are they seeing the dysfunction

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Speaker 1: in the House and are they blaming people like Don

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Speaker 1: Bacon for it.

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Speaker 4: We are hearing from people that they're seeing that, and

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Speaker 4: most I don't think it's about blaming them. It's the

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Speaker 4: responsibility that they decided to take on. Don Bacon has

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Speaker 4: helped enable the far right extreme in this country, like

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Speaker 4: Marjorie Taylor Green to be able to have the power

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Speaker 4: that they currently have by not standing up to Trump,

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Speaker 4: by not standing up to the far right to be

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Speaker 4: get in this position. It's their own party. You know,

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Speaker 4: they wanted to govern, they wanted to be in leadership,

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Speaker 4: and they have to rely on Democrats to do that.

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Speaker 4: And I think the country is seeing real bipartisanship is

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Speaker 4: happening when when Democrats are stepping up and doing everything

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Speaker 4: they possibly can to make sure government functions. And it's

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Speaker 4: you know, my time in the legislature. I've buckt my

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Speaker 4: own party to make sure that we're balancing budgets to

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Speaker 4: make sure that we are giving money back to taxpayers

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Speaker 4: and providing billions of dollars of tax relief. And I've

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Speaker 4: actually done that. And so people are seeing that while

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Speaker 4: people are trying to afford groceries while they're trying to

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Speaker 4: pay for gas. There's being that Bacon is part of

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Speaker 4: a Congress and is leading it is out out there

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Speaker 4: that is the most ineffective Congress that is more focused

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Speaker 4: on mega issue.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do voters say that to you when you

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Speaker 1: talk to them. Do they say, like, you know, I

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Speaker 1: know they have passed the least bills of any Congress

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Speaker 1: ever or has that not permeated.

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Speaker 4: I think one very big headline has permeated, which is

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Speaker 4: they're not doing their job and they're likeed to do

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Speaker 4: their job and everybody else every day work in Nebraskan's

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Speaker 4: a nurse, a firefighter, you know, a tea shirt, you know,

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Speaker 4: a construction worker, you know a union member. Like they

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00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 4: are working every day and Congress isn't getting any work

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Speaker 4: done on their behalf.

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Speaker 2: The house flipped.

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Speaker 1: Republicans buy such a small margin and they've had so

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Speaker 1: much chaos, and the speakership battle has been one of

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Speaker 1: the big ones.

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Speaker 2: The voters that you talk to, are they aware of that?

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Speaker 4: I think voters are aware of that right now. Bacon

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Speaker 4: and others you know in the Republican Party. There's been

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Speaker 4: more chaos that has been part of everything that they've

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Speaker 4: been doing, you know, and right now we need new

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Speaker 4: members of leadership. I mean in members of Congress that

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Speaker 4: are focusing on the actual things that matter to Nebraska's

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Speaker 4: It's why I'm running as a former public school science teacher,

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Speaker 4: as somebody that is a working parent. I am still

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Speaker 4: feeling and seeing what people are going through. And so

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Speaker 4: when people like Bacon are focusing on trying to ban abortionationwide,

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Speaker 4: and you know, are not getting anything done for working

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Speaker 4: families to lower cost of living. I've been working in

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Speaker 4: this last couple of years just actually on creating jobs

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Speaker 4: and actually making it easier for people. And so it's resonating.

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Speaker 4: It's getting back to people. This Congress is unable to

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Speaker 4: get anything done. And why would we re elect, you know,

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Speaker 4: a member of this party, of the majority party, when

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Speaker 4: they have the ability and the power. I'm the majority.

671
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Speaker 4: They're doing absolutely nothing for the American people.

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Speaker 1: If you are elected to Congress, what will happen for

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Speaker 1: people in your district?

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Speaker 4: You know, my parents were both union workers. My dad

675
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Speaker 4: was at IBW and I was in UFCW. And I

676
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Speaker 4: want to make sure that we are we're creating jobs.

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Speaker 4: This is like this is about both supporting businesses that

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Speaker 4: are job creators then making sure the jobs that we

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Speaker 4: we have have great wages and great benefits. Then you

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Speaker 4: can do both. It's what I've done in the legislature.

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Speaker 4: This is investing in you know, in the American dream

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Speaker 4: is about the opportunity that exists and enabling people to

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Speaker 4: have opportunities to work really hard to be able to

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Speaker 4: earn things. That's what my parents had. Those opportunities are

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Speaker 4: harder and harder every single year. They're harder when you

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Speaker 4: have people like Baking that vote against middle class tax

687
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Speaker 4: cuts or won't support you know, things like the Proact,

688
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 4: when they vote against health insurance and health costs being lowered,

689
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Speaker 4: that's not growing the middle class. I actually want to

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Speaker 4: support both businesses and workers. And that's the difference maker here.

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Speaker 4: That's what we're hearing, and that's what I think is

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Speaker 4: at stake, and you know, so that's why I think

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Speaker 4: back to my family a lot. I think back to

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Speaker 4: what really matters. What will be different is and you

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Speaker 4: get actually members that are from the middle class and

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Speaker 4: working families in Congress that represent this country, then it's

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Speaker 4: not a talking point. It's about actually getting results on

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Speaker 4: behalf people, you know, and as one of the few

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Speaker 4: members right now of some of the most competitive seats,

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Speaker 4: it's a former union member, one of the few that

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Speaker 4: has grew up in poverty, one of the few that's

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Speaker 4: a first generation college graduate. I know what working families

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Speaker 4: are going through, and that's why I'm going to fight

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Speaker 4: for them.

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Speaker 1: Senator of Augus State Senator of August soon to be congressman.

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Speaker 1: So after we stopped recording, I said, you know, the

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Speaker 1: mood in the Cella Corridor is very sour, and people

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Speaker 1: are worried that everyone has forgotten about Trump and how

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Speaker 1: unmanageable it was, and that people are mad at Biden

710
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Speaker 1: for inflation. And you actually said no, so tell us

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Speaker 1: what you are seeing.

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Speaker 4: You know, what we're seeing is people are frustrated, but

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Speaker 4: the frustration is coming from wanting to see something different,

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Speaker 4: and we're seeing that in how people are investing in

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Speaker 4: our You know, we have raised a record amount of

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Speaker 4: funds and donations to our campaign. We raised more than

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Speaker 4: two point five million dollars so far. This is more

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Speaker 4: than any Democrat or Republican challenger has ever raised in

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Speaker 4: this in this race, and it's coming from Republicans and

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Speaker 4: Democrats and Independence hosting events, volunteering, donating, using their time.

721
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Speaker 4: And it's because they're taking that anger, they're taking the frustration,

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Speaker 4: and they're putting it into action, you know. So the

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Speaker 4: hope is really high. I don't think it's a bad

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Speaker 4: thing that people are frustrated, frustration what we're seeing on

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Speaker 4: the ground in this district and leading people to say,

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to stand by and let democracy be

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Speaker 4: undermined by people like Bacon and let them sell it

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Speaker 4: out to Trump. We're going to stand up and we're

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Speaker 4: going to stand for something different, and in a place

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Speaker 4: like Nebraska. It is no more brighter than a place

731
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Speaker 4: like Nebraska. And that's that's why we're up with the pulse.

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Speaker 4: That's why we're seeing the ground game, tens of thousands

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Speaker 4: of doors knocked, that's why we're seeing our holes being

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Speaker 4: up by three forty six to forty three. It's what

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Speaker 4: we're seeing on our record fundraising. And so there's brightness

736
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Speaker 4: every frustration, and we're taking that and we're going to

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Speaker 4: win this November amazing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you very very much for taking the time.

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Speaker 1: Frank Bruney is the author of the brune letter at

741
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Speaker 1: The New York Times and the new book The Aide

742
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Speaker 1: of Grievance.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 5: Frank, I'm so excited to be here. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited to have you.

746
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Speaker 1: You've written a ton of books, but this book, it's

747
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Speaker 1: an interesting boocause I think of it as a spiritual

748
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Speaker 1: experience with your health a little bit, if that's fair,

749
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Speaker 1: with losing some of your vision, and so I feel

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Speaker 1: like this book is spiritual in a similar way.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting. I think it is connected to what happened

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Speaker 6: to me personally in the sense that I had to

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Speaker 6: learn when I had my medical episode or deal odyssey,

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Speaker 6: whatever you want to call it, you know, to learn

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Speaker 6: certain habits of mind in which I did not fall

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Speaker 6: into the traps of self pity. And I tried to

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Speaker 6: take the law view. And that's kind of what I'm

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Speaker 6: asking America to do.

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Speaker 4: In the book.

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Speaker 6: So I think that's an accurate read. Molly, thank you anytime.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I got sober when I was nineteen,

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Speaker 1: and I talk about it all the time because I

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Speaker 1: want people to know that they can get sober as

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Speaker 1: teenagers and stop the familial legacy of alcoholism and not

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Speaker 1: that many people do. I think that if they knew

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Speaker 1: that you could do it, it would help. I am

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Speaker 1: a person who thinks a lot about what is self pity?

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Speaker 6: Mean?

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Speaker 2: What is grievance?

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Speaker 3: Me?

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Speaker 2: You know, these are the things I think.

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Speaker 1: But as a sober person who is in alcoholics anonymous,

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Speaker 1: and everyone knows this about me because I think it's

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Speaker 1: more helpful for me to say it than not. And

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Speaker 1: I've been sober twenty six years. I spend a lot

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Speaker 1: of time thinking about self pity and grievance and all

777
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Speaker 1: of the things that you're talking about, because that you know,

778
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Speaker 1: in order to stay sober, I have to address these things.

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Speaker 2: So this hits me right where I live.

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Speaker 5: Interesting. Interesting.

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Speaker 6: I'm glad to hear that. I'm also glad to hear

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Speaker 6: that your journey has been what it is and that

783
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Speaker 6: you're in such a healthy place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I feel like very lucky, and I

785
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Speaker 1: think that there's some element of spirituality there for sure.

786
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Speaker 1: So explain to us what the sort of central thesis

787
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Speaker 1: here is.

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Speaker 6: This book explores what I believe is a dysfunction in

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Speaker 6: the country right now, which is that too many Americans,

790
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Speaker 6: I would say an overwhelming majority of them they enter

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Speaker 6: the political readA, they enter all political discussions from the

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Speaker 6: standpoint of.

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Speaker 5: How have I been wronged? Who has wronged me? How

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00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 5: do I take revenge on the people who've wronged me?

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Speaker 6: I mean, you see this in the messaging and the

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Speaker 6: approaches that political candidates take. You see this in our

797
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 6: culture war battles. Everyone is so fascinated by and mired

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Speaker 6: in their estimation of how they've been wronged in American life.

799
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Speaker 6: And while there are grave, grave wrongs in American life

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Speaker 6: that we need to examine and we need to address,

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00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 6: and we need to improve, we are doing such a

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00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 6: scary job right now of mingling righteous causes and petty pints,

803
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Speaker 6: of taking everything that happens to defcon one, having discussions

804
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Speaker 6: about issues in which each side gets so quickly and

805
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 6: spectacularly overwrought that there's absolutely no chance for common ground

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Speaker 6: or for progress.

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Speaker 4: That's what the book is about.

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Speaker 1: Righteous causes and petty defeats us A great line. I

809
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Speaker 1: think I got it wrong, But first I want you

810
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Speaker 1: to talk through like I can see this on the

811
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Speaker 1: Trump side for sure, that's easy. Where else are you

812
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: seeing this? I mean, I want to be open to

813
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Speaker 1: you know, if you're seeing this in other places.

814
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Speaker 2: I mean, I certainly can see it.

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Speaker 1: There are some lefties I can see, but it does

816
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Speaker 1: not strike me as like.

817
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Speaker 2: A Joe Biden problem.

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Speaker 6: Particularly well, I don't think it's much of a Joe

819
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Speaker 6: Biden problem. And I think one of the hopeful details

820
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Speaker 6: here is that he was elected in twenty twenty, that

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Speaker 6: he won the Democratic primary. And I think he won

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Speaker 6: the Democratic primary in part because he is not someone

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Speaker 6: who exists in the realm and with the psychology that

824
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Speaker 6: I was just describing. This is really tough to write

825
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Speaker 6: and talk about because I think overwrought grievance exists across

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Speaker 6: the political spectrum. I think this habit of you know,

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Speaker 6: let me begin the discussion with telling you how I've

828
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Speaker 6: been wronged and what I'm ow I think. I think

829
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Speaker 6: that is hand partisan, super partisan. I don't know that

830
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 6: we have the right term for it. But this is

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Speaker 6: difficult to talk and write about because I am not

832
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Speaker 6: making a false equivalence. The most dangerous versions of this,

833
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Speaker 6: the more pervasive. This exists in a much more pervasive

834
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Speaker 6: fashion and a much more dangerous fashion on the right.

835
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Speaker 6: It is on the far right that we have organized

836
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Speaker 6: political violence.

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Speaker 5: It is on the.

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Speaker 6: Right that we have this broad election denialism. You can't

839
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Speaker 6: have a country if you don't believe in the attack

840
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Speaker 6: and the integrity of the systems and the institutions and

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Speaker 6: the democracy.

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Speaker 5: So I am not in any.

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00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 6: Measure saying the left and the right need to look

844
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Speaker 6: equally at this, but they both do need to look

845
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Speaker 6: at it.

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Speaker 5: And where do you see it on the left?

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Speaker 6: I mean, we could pick any number of news events

848
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Speaker 6: or moments when something happens, and if you are a

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Speaker 6: social justice warrior whose cause is racism, you see white

850
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 6: supremacy and racism and what happened, whether it's there or not.

851
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 6: Sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not.

852
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 5: But this is your brand, this is your lens.

853
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 6: This is what you trot out in every situation, and

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Speaker 6: it is an impediment to healthy constructive conversation. I'll give you,

855
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Speaker 6: like just a random example from what was it two

856
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Speaker 6: years ago?

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Speaker 5: Three years ago?

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Speaker 6: I mean, remember when horrifyingly Britney Grider was jailed in

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Speaker 6: Russia right on trunked up, ridiculous charges. You could see

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Speaker 6: on Twitter and you could see written in some columns

861
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Speaker 6: the claim that she was rotting in this jail cell

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Speaker 6: and she was forgotten and nobody cared, and nobody was

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Speaker 6: attending to it because she was a woman, because she

864
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Speaker 6: was a lesbian, and because she was black. Right, Brittany

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Speaker 6: Grider got more attention and from the highest levels of government,

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Speaker 6: and rightly so, she got more attention than other political prisoners.

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Speaker 6: Then a political prisoner, a man I forget his name

868
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Speaker 6: right now, it's in the book, who've been falsely in

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Speaker 6: prisoned for years. So that was a ridiculous, grievance driven

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Speaker 6: complaint that gives people who don't care as much as

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Speaker 6: they should about real examples of racism, of which there

872
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Speaker 6: are plenty, real examples of homophobia, of which there are plenty,

873
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 6: real examples of misogyny, of which.

874
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 5: They are plenty.

875
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 6: It gives them a reason to turn away and turn

876
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 6: the whole thing off, because they can say, you're being ridiculous,

877
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 6: that's not true. We need to check that kind of

878
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 6: behavior because it undermines important social progress.

879
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: What I hear from you is that this grievance culture

880
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: undermines the sort of larger fabric of America.

881
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 2: I think about this a lot.

882
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: Because I have on my desk two things that my

883
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: a sponsor told me to have because they are like

884
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: my character defects because I had sort of coping mechanisms

885
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: that were.

886
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 2: Bad and so I have or just not helpful.

887
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: So I have a don't be a brat explanation point,

888
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: and do I think I'm too good for something? Right?

889
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: And these are these general ideas of how important humility is.

890
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 2: Right, that is the sort of solve for all of this.

891
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 6: Right, I agree with you more In fact, as you know,

892
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 6: the last chapter of the book is entirely about humility.

893
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 5: Is the antidoteal grievance.

894
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 6: And what I mean by that and what you mean

895
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 6: by it with you just said is we're not talking

896
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 6: about being theatrically or unduly self effacing. But it is

897
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 6: so important if this country is to survive, if our

898
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 6: communities are going to thrive, it is so important to

899
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 6: see yourself as a part of a larger goal. It's

900
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 6: so important to see you. I think you just use

901
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 6: the word fabric, which is a terrific, terrific word. We

902
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 6: are all threads in a tapestry, threads in a fabric,

903
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 6: and when we get unduly obsessed with the contours, had

904
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 6: every last detail of our own disappointment. When we demand

905
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 6: that the world inform entirely to our liking. When we

906
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 6: jumble heady complaints with righteous causes, we're being really unhumble

907
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 6: and we're jeopardizing something that's going to matter more to

908
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 6: our contentment than any momentary whim, which is the collective good.

909
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 5: Whatever happened to the collective good? You know?

910
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: Well, that is that you know, what can you do

911
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: for your country? So I want to talk about my

912
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: obsession now, which is the reason why I will never

913
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: be elected president, among other things, and also never running.

914
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: But is that I really truly believe it. And they've

915
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 2: started this Climate Core. I'm very excited.

916
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm probably the only person who's excited about this, But

917
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: I really want there to be a year of national

918
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: service in America mandatory for everyone. And it can be

919
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: anything from teach for America to cleaning up our national

920
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: parks to climate stuff.

921
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: I just think that it would be.

922
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: The thing that would get you know, if you're rich,

923
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: you're poor, you're black, you're white, you're from the South,

924
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: you're from the north, you would have an experience, you

925
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: could go anywhere you wanted, you would work with these other,

926
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: you know, eighteen year olds. It would be a sort

927
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: of mandatory year of just work, and you would be

928
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: an American like all other Americans, and class and race

929
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: and wealth would have nothing to do with that.

930
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 5: I salute that idea.

931
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 6: I'd want to push back at the mandatory part, but

932
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 6: let's come to that in a second. But I promote

933
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 6: the idea of national service of the book. I mention

934
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 6: that prominent political candidates have made that a big part

935
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 6: of their platforms. It was something Pete Footage Edge emphasized

936
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 6: a lot in his twenty twenty campaign.

937
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: It made all the Libertarians so mad.

938
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 5: Well, it shouldn't make them mad.

939
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 6: I mean, you described one of the reasons it's so

940
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 6: important very well when you talked about diverse backgrounds. There

941
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 6: are increasingly few avenues of places in American life where

942
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 6: people of different education levels, people of different class backgrounds,

943
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 6: people of different races, where there's real.

944
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 5: Real diverse mangling.

945
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 6: More and more we live on homogeneous communities, We travel

946
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 6: online in completely tiny clicks. We need to find ways

947
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 6: to make people who otherwise wouldn't interact interact, because the

948
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 6: only way that you don't end up seeing your fellow

949
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 6: Americans in caricature is if you understand them better and

950
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 6: meet them face to face and SA time with them.

951
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 6: I don't think we could do national service mandatory. I

952
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 6: think the pushback would be so severe that would never happen.

953
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 6: But I don't think we need to because I think

954
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 6: there are ways to build in rewards and incentives that

955
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 6: we get enough people to do it that it becomes

956
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 6: a kind of vote, and people are almost ashamed not

957
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 6: to do it. And I think we could turn it

958
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 6: into something of a custom without making it mandatory.

959
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: I would love that so much, because I just think

960
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: that part of the problem.

961
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean this idea when we talk about grievance, there's

962
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: a feeling that other people and you write about this

963
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: so well with this stuff about Americans, and you know,

964
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: they're fantasy that somehow China everybody has it better, and

965
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: there's this feeling that other people have it better. We

966
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: talk a lot about this idea, and again, like the

967
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: Trump is that Trump sort of ran on this idea

968
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: that he would give white men back what they felt

969
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: had been taken from them by someone else. Now, obviously

970
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 1: none of that was true, but people were so removed

971
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: from each other they couldn't see it.

972
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 5: That's exactly right.

973
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 6: They don't have any sense that the people who you know.

974
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 6: When Trump is demonizing a population, when other Republican candidates

975
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 6: are demonizing a population, or if Democratic candidates do it

976
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 6: with a different group, no one knows to say, wait,

977
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 6: that doesn't ring true because I know someone like that,

978
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 6: and that's caricature, that's silly. We can't push back at

979
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 6: it because our lives don't bring us into contact with

980
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 6: those people. There are too few crossed paths, and social

981
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 6: media aggravates this so insidiously because so many people are

982
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 6: projecting these perfect, potentic in lives on social media that

983
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 6: make everyone else feel like, well, why is everybody else

984
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 6: always at a wedding with a champagne flute raised to

985
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 6: the sun's setting. Where's my champagne and my son set

986
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 6: in my wedding? Well, you're seeing the best day of

987
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 6: their year. You're not seeing two nights later when they're

988
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 6: crime because they had a horrible day at work and

989
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 6: they just had a fight with their lover and they're

990
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 6: alone in bed. No one's putting that on Instagram. But

991
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 6: that's life too. I mean, we need to understand that

992
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 6: whatever frustrations and pains we're experiencing, they're probably much much

993
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 6: more universal than exception.

994
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: When it comes to social media. I have two large

995
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: thoughts that I want you to sort of talk to

996
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: me about. One is this idea we don't know how

997
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: the algorithms work, and we don't know what algorithms are

998
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: being used, so we don't know how our content is

999
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: being farmed to us.

1000
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: Isn't that part of the problem.

1001
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 6: I think it is part of the problem, and there

1002
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 6: have been calls for transparency in that regard.

1003
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 5: There are people who listen.

1004
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 6: There's a whole lot of regulation of social media companies

1005
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 6: that hasn't happened because of the kind of odd wild

1006
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 6: West spirit in which the Internet was born. And among

1007
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 6: the calls for regulation in some quarters are calls for

1008
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 6: transparency of algorithms so that we can understand better how

1009
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 6: we're being manipulated. I think it might be enough just

1010
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 6: for us to understand that we're being manipulated to talk

1011
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 6: more about it. I believe in classrooms from a very

1012
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 6: early age, people need to be made aware of what

1013
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 6: happens to them in their online lives about how one

1014
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 6: set of decisions breeds and other set of decisions, because

1015
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 6: they don't necessarily want that to happen, and awareness is

1016
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 6: a big part of the problem. Like when I pause

1017
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 6: with students, I do this no matter the class, every semester,

1018
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 6: when I say, like, how much intention did you put

1019
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 6: into the people you follow on whatever your platforms of

1020
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 6: choice are, How much intention did you put into the

1021
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 6: things that are bookmarked? How much intention do you put

1022
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 6: into what you click on when it comes to you?

1023
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 6: And that is that the kind of information diet, is

1024
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 6: that the education, the kind of exposure that you meant

1025
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 6: to have. We could go a long way from you

1026
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 6: just get everybody to pause to think about how the

1027
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 6: algorithms have distorted what they're seeing to reconfigure their online

1028
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 6: lives to something that matches what their real goals are.

1029
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 6: That's more than a baby's step in the right direction,

1030
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 6: and that has not been taken, and that I think

1031
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 6: is in large parts the responsibility for that on educators,

1032
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 6: public servants having a discussion.

1033
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 5: That we have not been having with the people around us.

1034
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 5: With the students in particular, you teach.

1035
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: These amazing duke students.

1036
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: You're sort of in the field with these college students,

1037
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: So what are you seeing from them?

1038
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: And does it make you hopeful?

1039
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 6: It makes me more hopeful than not. I mean, I

1040
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 6: see some stuff that encourages me, I see some stuff

1041
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 6: that discourages me. I'll start with what discourages me really quickly,

1042
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 6: and then I'll go to what encourages me. What discourages

1043
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 6: me is I think, and I think this is a

1044
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 6: sane take on the world. I think they feel that

1045
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 6: they live at a time and in a country where

1046
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 6: economically speaking, the margin for error is really slim. They

1047
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 6: have not been raised and again, this is a sane

1048
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 6: This is the sane response for them to have in

1049
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 6: a sane perspective.

1050
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 5: They have not been.

1051
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 6: Raised in such a fashion where they see this country

1052
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 6: as one of guaranteed bounty and better tomorrows.

1053
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 5: You know, I will outpace my parents.

1054
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 6: I will live the American dream of continued and further

1055
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 6: assent up to social ladder. So they feel a sort

1056
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 6: of anxiety and caution about their futures that I think

1057
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 6: is discouraging to see, but is an understandable response.

1058
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: Don't you think that's a little bit good, like that

1059
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: they don't have that entitlement, because I think of that

1060
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: entitlement as so bad for working hard and connecting with people.

1061
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: And you know that I feel like that is sort

1062
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: of the worst way you can be. But tell me

1063
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, or if I am wrong.

1064
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 6: You're not wrong. But I think it's a little bit

1065
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 6: more complicated than that. I think it's sad because it

1066
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 6: tramples on and diminishes the measure of optimism in their lives.

1067
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 6: I think optimism is so key to making things better,

1068
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 6: kind of reaching for unattained goals. So I think it's complicated,

1069
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 6: But I will tell you they're very earnest.

1070
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 5: Ernest isn't the right work.

1071
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 6: That sounds like a little bit of a diss that

1072
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 6: sounds Pollyanna esque, But it's good to be well. They

1073
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 6: want the world to be a better place. They're sensitive, too,

1074
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 6: sometimes over sensitive to matters of injustice. They care about

1075
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 6: those things in a very genuine way. Word inclusion or inclusiveness.

1076
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 6: It's become a kind of cant or rgo and and

1077
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 6: I think people just let it wash over them. But inclusion, inclusiveness,

1078
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 6: these are important things. And I think the students I

1079
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 6: teach their generation care more genuinely and expansively about that

1080
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 6: the previous generations did, and I think will be the

1081
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 6: beneficiarias of that.

1082
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: So interesting, so important. I hope you will come back.

1083
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 6: I would be delighted too, and I thank you for

1084
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 6: having me on the show.

1085
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: The moment, do you have a moment of fuckery?

1086
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 3: I do have a moment of fuckery. And then my

1087
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 3: moment of fuckery is all of these quasi anti Trump

1088
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: conservative foreign policy hawks that are very pro BB and

1089
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Speaker 3: pro Israel, but that have, to their credit, you know,

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Speaker 3: criticized Trump and said they're anti Trump there at commentary magazine,

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Speaker 3: National Review and at these at these types of places.

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Speaker 3: So some of them are still at Fox and binding

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Speaker 3: out after. Let's just be honest. Biden's been pretty damn

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Speaker 3: stalwart with BB for seven months.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps way too much. Yes, many people are saying.

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Speaker 3: In the face of criticism from his left flank, in

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Speaker 3: the face of criticism from other world leaders and other allies,

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Speaker 3: and he said that Israel is our ally, they were attacked,

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Speaker 3: they're holding our hostages. We need to stick with them.

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Speaker 3: I get that, you know, we can quibble about the details.

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Speaker 3: So then one day, finally seven months into this, when

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Speaker 3: BB is planning an invasion that has no real plan

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Speaker 3: for success. The plan is just basically, we're going to

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Speaker 3: kill a bunch of people and like, we'll see where

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Speaker 3: the chips fall, like that's basically the plan. All Biden

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Speaker 3: says say is, you know, we're not going to give

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Speaker 3: you these big ass bombs to kill as many people

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Speaker 3: as possible. All Right, We're still gonna help you with

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Speaker 3: defensive stuff. We're still helping with intelligence. It's just if

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Speaker 3: you go ahead with this like this is now a

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Speaker 3: step too far, which puts him again as like one

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Speaker 3: of the still one of the closest allies are you

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Speaker 3: compared to what the other European countries are saying about it?

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Speaker 3: And now these assholes are out there. This guy Cliff Assnus,

1115
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Speaker 3: who's a big donor to was a big Nick Galy donor,

1116
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Speaker 3: is tweeting yesterday hashtag Trump twenty twenty four, Biden betrayal,

1117
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Speaker 3: Biden abandoning Israel. It's just like be a grown up,

1118
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Speaker 3: like you guys are just as bad, if not worse

1119
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Speaker 3: than the like eighteen year olds who are like I

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Speaker 3: won't vote for genocide Joe, I'm going to vote for

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Speaker 3: Cornell West. It's like be a grown up. Being a

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Speaker 3: grown up means sometimes you don't get everything you want,

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Speaker 3: and sometimes there are two choices, whether or not you

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Speaker 3: don't find them both perfect. But you've got to decide

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Speaker 3: which one is better and which one is more responsible.

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Speaker 3: That's a grown up thing to do, and in this case,

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Speaker 3: it's obviously Joe Biden that is the right choice. And

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Speaker 3: these guys know it, they know the threat to Trump,

1129
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Speaker 3: but they're babies and they're not getting everything they want

1130
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Speaker 3: on their one issue of Israel, and so now they're

1131
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Speaker 3: lashing out and they're putting on the red maga hat.

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Speaker 3: Fuck you, fuck you.

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Speaker 2: Wow, good for you, Tim Miller.

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Speaker 1: My moment of buckery is Susan necklace slut shamings Stormy Daniels.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, amen to that too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just disgusting.

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Speaker 1: You know, the fact that the men on the defense

1138
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Speaker 1: have used her in this way is disgusting. The fact

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Speaker 1: that she is sledshaming this woman who you know, Stormy

1140
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Speaker 1: has perhaps made some money off of this, but ultimately,

1141
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Speaker 1: I'm sure she would rather not as both of us

1142
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Speaker 1: as recipients of death threats. I'm sure she would rather

1143
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Speaker 1: just be normal. And I just feel like it's a

1144
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Speaker 1: terrible look. And every time things like this happen, as

1145
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Speaker 1: we are both parents of daughters and it's just discussing,

1146
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Speaker 1: and it gets me really upset.

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Speaker 5: It's gross.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. We're totally lyned on that one. Yeah, screw

1149
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Speaker 3: her too, now literally.

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Speaker 2: Take you, Tip Miller.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the best minds

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Speaker 1: in politics makes sense of all this chaos. If you

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00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to a friend

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Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks for listening.