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Speaker 1: it right. We got good discussions. There is not a

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Speaker 1: hardcore lead today, right. You got the College twelve playoff rankings.

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Speaker 1: They came out. We'll talk about that with r. J.

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Speaker 1: Young later on this hour. There's continuing fallout from the

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Speaker 1: firing of Nico Harrison, gentle manager of the Dallas Mavericks.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of NFL stories, but none that rise

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Speaker 1: to the level I think of this one. And it's

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Speaker 1: a great discussion to have and I have not I

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Speaker 1: haven't told you guys about a little part of the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame discussion around Russell Wilson that I found

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Speaker 1: to be fascinating. I'm going to share with you in

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Speaker 1: a second, but the story of the day. According to ESPN,

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Speaker 1: the Giants are going to start Jamis Winston at quarterback

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Speaker 1: against the Packers on Sunday. That's interim head coach Mike

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Speaker 1: Kafka announced today. He'll do a great job. I have

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Speaker 1: a lot of confidence in Jamison and Jamis, and Kafka said,

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Speaker 1: adding it was his sole decision to turn to Winston

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Speaker 1: as the starter. Now, Kafka, this is his debut as

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Speaker 1: an interim head coach. He is the offensive coordinator. And

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Speaker 1: it tells you a couple of things. Tells you a

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Speaker 1: couple of things. One and I can tell you this

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Speaker 1: from first ten knowledge. Right, when you're coaching a team,

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Speaker 1: you want a guy who this is like quarterbacks, like

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Speaker 1: who those guys respect and is going to run the

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Speaker 1: offense the way you want it run. If you're gonna

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Speaker 1: go down as an intermad coach and you don't get

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Speaker 1: that many shots, at at least you're gonna do it

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Speaker 1: your way, right, at least you're gonna do it your way.

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Speaker 1: So we can sit here and go, hey, maybe Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson dinner at interact with him well enough. Maybe they're

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Speaker 1: not boys, maybe Jamis and all his personality. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but to me what it signifies, and I thought it

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Speaker 1: signified it last year, but now it becomes I think

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Speaker 1: tell me which it is. Indoubtedly or undoubtedly the case.

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Speaker 1: It may be both, it may be neither. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure we're not gonna see Russell Wilson as a starting

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Speaker 1: Now the Giants, I'm sure, had every intention of handing

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Speaker 1: Wilson is so hard to coach, so hard to play with,

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Speaker 1: and his skills have deteriorated to the point where I

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Speaker 1: don't see a place for him now. The normal trajectory

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Speaker 1: because mostly because of Russell Wilson and his ego, and

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Speaker 1: that ego, in all honesty, has been rightfully gained. But

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Speaker 1: this is like the Allen Iverson. I don't know any

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Speaker 1: And then there's the additional discussion of is he a

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Speaker 1: So Kurt reached out to me, He's like, he kind

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Speaker 2: I don't know where, but I think that that still

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if his eagle lets him do that.

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Speaker 1: I just he hasn't shown himself to be that guy.

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Speaker 1: It takes us, It takes a grown up. It also

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Speaker 2: He didn't have to do a lot in the first

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Speaker 2: He was a great piece to help them get to

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Speaker 1: When he left Denver, do you think he was a

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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree. See, I think you have a ton

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Speaker 1: He was just a guy that would not make mistakes

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Speaker 1: He was low risk reward late.

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Speaker 2: It was funny in watching the career because if we

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Speaker 2: But that was kind of like, Okay, this team is

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Speaker 2: You thought maybe they were, because they never got over it, correct, correct,

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Speaker 2: a bad game against the Bills, and everything changed. But

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame at this end of his time

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Speaker 2: in Seattle, Yeah, he was. The next year, he suffers

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Speaker 2: that finger injury on a think a Thursday night game

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Speaker 2: and you're like, all right, this is you know, what's

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Speaker 2: this all about? But when he actually came back, he

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Speaker 2: wasn't the same. He wasn't the same quarterback. And then

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It is crazy how quickly those things change. It's

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Also should

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Speaker 1: be pointed out that Mike Kafka, like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: this to be a fact, but generally what happens. We

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Speaker 1: did wonder why Jamis wasn't selected as the starter. Instead

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Speaker 1: it was Russell Wilson. Why Jamis didn't get opportunities when

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Speaker 1: when Kafka takes over, tells you, tells you the dynamic

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Speaker 2: Buyer, There really wasn't much of a surprise, as much

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Speaker 3: I think that this committee doesn't exactly know what it's doing.

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Speaker 3: Goodness me, what the hell is Miami doing at number fifteen?

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Speaker 1: Now, so you're you're going, you're going, you're going transitive property.

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Speaker 3: not matter if Alabama beats Oklahoma. I'm not so caught

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Speaker 3: up on the coaches that got fired in the Florida

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Speaker 3: and the LSU of at all. I'm more caught up

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Speaker 3: in are we going to rank these teams accordingly? If say,

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Speaker 3: Oklahoma and Alabama's a one score game, is that still

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Speaker 3: gonna make Oklahoma a top twelve team? Or is that

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Speaker 3: still gonna make Alabama a top twelve team? Because the

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Speaker 3: way in which they have articulated their point here, like

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Speaker 3: BYU taking the lost tex attack their first lost season.

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Speaker 3: They took a five spot penalty for getting beat by

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Speaker 3: a team that we all think is really damn good.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not sure that I'm gonna have that argument

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Speaker 3: that you're having about what we're doing with the SEC

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Speaker 3: in the bat Calf. It's more like, are they going

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Speaker 3: to stick to the criteria that they've already laid out

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Speaker 3: in that they already think the SEC is valuable? They

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Speaker 3: always there, already think the SEC is good. And are

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Speaker 3: we even going to see any movement among those top

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Speaker 3: twelve with those SEC teams not having to play you know,

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Speaker 3: let's say, class competition except once or twice the rest

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Speaker 3: of the way. R. J.

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Speaker 1: Young's our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. There are are all these big jobs

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Speaker 1: in the SA. Who's the big name who moves into

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Speaker 1: the league, that moves.

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Speaker 3: Into the league WHOA That's a very good question. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna take a flyer on this, and

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, Bob Chesney at James Madison's been doing

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Speaker 3: a really damn good job coming in from Holy Cross,

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Speaker 3: took over the the basically the monster that Kurt Signetty

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Speaker 3: built and did not run it into the ground. He's

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Speaker 3: made it into a really great program. They're undefeated in

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Speaker 3: conference play. Their only loss is to Louisville. Right, that's one.

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Speaker 3: But until recently I would have told you Ryan Silverfield

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Speaker 3: at Memphis, I think the loss to Tulane doesn't help him.

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Speaker 3: And there's already a whole bunch of people that think

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Speaker 3: that John somemmer All at Tulane's a great fit for

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Speaker 3: one of these I see huge jobs, But the one

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Speaker 3: that he's most fit for is Lane Kiffins if you

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Speaker 3: want to, and I don't think the port is gonna

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Speaker 3: do that. So those are my two. Ryan Silverfield and

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Speaker 3: Bob Chesney.

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Speaker 1: Awesome stuff. R j O U Alabama. The suitors win.

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Speaker 1: If what.

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Speaker 3: If John Mattier plays the kind of football that he

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Speaker 3: played before he broke his hand, That's it. What I

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Speaker 3: have not seen that guy?

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Speaker 1: What happened? What happened? It was like it was the

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Speaker 1: greatest hire of offensive coordinator combined with quarterback we'd ever seen. Like, Man,

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Speaker 1: as soon as they got this thing figured out, Man,

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Speaker 1: the tier's gonna win the Heisman. It's you know, start

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Speaker 1: putting the statue out there with all the rest of

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Speaker 1: the Heisman statues. He breaks his head. Okay, I understand

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Speaker 1: he kind of rushed him back against Texas. That happens,

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Speaker 1: but he hasn't been the same since what happened.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna counter with Lincoln Riley Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 3: But that's beside the point. The other the other thing

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Speaker 3: that has happened here is and I was told I

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Speaker 3: told a friend this, The sec made that man mortal.

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Speaker 3: Like if you look at what he was doing before

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Speaker 3: he got to Oklahoma at Washington State, he was not

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Speaker 3: doing it against power for competition. I was loud about

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Speaker 3: that part. I was gonna hate. I understand this guy

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Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield to many, but until he does it against

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Speaker 3: class competition, let's wait. And then he did it against Michigan,

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Speaker 3: and then he did it again against an Auburn team

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Speaker 3: we thought was good at the time with ranked in

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Speaker 3: top twenty five. Now we know they're bad. Right They

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Speaker 3: beat him out South Carolina, but that doesn't matter. They

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Speaker 3: got hammered by Texas. They couldn't quite come back against

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Speaker 3: Ole Mis And I think for him it's mostly people

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Speaker 3: have figured out he is an athlete at quarterback. He's

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Speaker 3: a high school shortstop. Playing quarterback means he's gonna airmail

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Speaker 3: some passes, means he's not gonna be as accurate. And

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Speaker 3: if you take away his run lanes and you force

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Speaker 3: everybody else to do some work, you make Oklahoma into

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Speaker 3: a one dimensional team. If he can round himself into

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Speaker 3: a quarterback this weekend, like say Ty Simpson or Fernando Mendoza,

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Speaker 3: we'll throw him in fans, they win. But if he

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Speaker 3: can continue to play like he has, they're gonna lose.

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Speaker 1: It's that simple, ar Jie, great stuff, man, Enjoy the games,

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Speaker 1: enjoy the weekend. Let's catch up soon. Thanks for our

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Speaker 1: guest on Fox Sports.

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Speaker 3: Radio, Doug, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: That's r J. Young. It's the number one show on

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports covering and focusing on college football. This is

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Speaker 1: the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. It is interesting, right,

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Speaker 1: how we get now to November and this weekend. Gigantic,

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Speaker 1: gigantic games, but they do feel a little weird. You

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Speaker 1: have a bunch of big name ring schools on the road,

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Speaker 1: even South Florida at Navy. That ain't gonna be easy. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Navy loose missed their quarterback last week Michigan at Northwestern, No.

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Speaker 1: Dame at Pittsburgh, South Carolina at A and m wis Constant, Indiana.

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Speaker 1: You have the ranked teams at home. Are interesting, but

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Speaker 1: usually they survived. It's what happens when the ranked teams

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Speaker 1: go on the road and play. You know, Virginia at

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Speaker 1: Duke Iowa USC Brad Beal as a fracture in his hip,

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Speaker 1: right fracture in his hip. Remember, Beal signed a two

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Speaker 1: year deal, different contract now than the gargantian one he

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Speaker 1: brought over from the Wizards when he was with the Suns.

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Speaker 1: Two year deal. I think it was like eleven million

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Speaker 1: dollars with the Clippers, so it doesn't hurt them as

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Speaker 1: much financially. But has anyone had a worse offseason and

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Speaker 1: early interregular season. I mean, Nico Harrison probably be the guy,

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Speaker 1: and the Mavericks are all banged up. But the Clippers

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Speaker 1: you have the the Pablo Tory investigation of the signing

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Speaker 1: and re signing of Kawhi Leonard and what it means

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Speaker 1: for the team going forward, and then you have Brad

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Speaker 1: beal fractures hip missed the entire season. That Clipper curse

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Speaker 1: is a real thing. That Clipper curse is a real thing.

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Speaker 1: Brad Beal fractures his hip, don't worry about it. You

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Speaker 1: know they'll count on more. Chris Paul.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we would talk about Russell Wilson and leaving Seattle

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Speaker 2: and what has gone wrong? Oh, I mean Bradley Beal

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Speaker 2: had a nice NBA career. Yeah, and then all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden he gets thrown in the laundry of trying

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Speaker 2: to form big threes and big four's and whatever. And

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Speaker 2: now we look at Bradley Beal's career as something completely different.

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Speaker 2: If he just would have stayed in Washington and wrote

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Speaker 2: it out, we would have been like, man, too bad,

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Speaker 2: Bradley Bill didn't get to go to a winner. He

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Speaker 2: was a heck of a player. Now we're like, Bradley

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Speaker 2: Beal now injured.

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Speaker 1: He stinks. That's that's how you look at it. He

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Speaker 1: stinks he was best. Now he's become best player and

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Speaker 1: a bad team. I fully agree with you. The other

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Speaker 1: guy who's like that, obviously is Dame Lillard, Right. Dame

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Speaker 1: Lillar was man, you gotta get him out of Portland.

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Speaker 1: He was loyal to Portland. He gets out of Portland

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Speaker 1: and Milwaukee goes from championship team to they're not competing

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Speaker 1: for it, coaches get fired, then he tears his achilles tendon.

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Speaker 1: Now he's back in Portland.

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Speaker 2: I would say at least with Dame he did some

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Speaker 2: of the things, maybe not to the level in Portland

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Speaker 2: where Beal has just seemingly been a shadow of who

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Speaker 2: he is. Dame did hit some game winners, just didn't

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Speaker 2: seem like he and Giannis mixed like he could never

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Speaker 2: you could never make it work.

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Speaker 1: But man, I would also say that, like, did any

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Speaker 1: of us actually watch Brad Beal play when he correct Yes,

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Speaker 1: like he made have been terrible. I don't know nobody

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Speaker 1: watched him.

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Speaker 2: Yep. I think it's a great point.

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Speaker 1: It is one of those things where we make it

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Speaker 1: out like the worst thing you can do as a

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Speaker 1: competitive man is go like, now I'm good, I'm good.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at it from a different perspective,

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Speaker 1: by the time you get thrown into those hyper competitive environments,

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Speaker 1: you're usually not the player used to be. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: by the way, your offseason started a little bit earlier

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Speaker 1: with no stress. Nobody ever blamed it on Brad Beal,

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Speaker 1: even when the whole team depended on Brad Beal. Then

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Speaker 1: he's like the third option and everybody's like, dude, Brad

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Speaker 1: Beal stinks.

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Speaker 2: Let's blame it all on Beal. Correct, It's not Booker

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Speaker 2: Durant's fault.

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Speaker 1: Nope, never never cut up with The Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 1: Who had a better career so far? Jamis or Mariota?

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss next.

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Speaker 5: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.

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Speaker 5: This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 1: What do you out there? Dan?

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Speaker 2: All right? Doug? The game today is for better or worse?

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Speaker 2: All right? First topic, fixing games. You can take this

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Speaker 2: wherever you want, Doug. For better or worse Major League

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Speaker 2: Baseball versus the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Fixing games? I think Major League Baseball because it's been

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Speaker 1: done at a higher level before.

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Speaker 2: Better or it's worse.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 2: So it's worse if you're worse throwing balls into the dirt?

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I think is wow, that's so hard. I

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Speaker 1: think it's worse if you're football because of your alignment

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Speaker 1: and you let a guy run though you get your

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Speaker 1: quarterback hurt.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we've went option to see on this.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say football is the worst.

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Speaker 2: Alright, this is incredible. For better or to give you

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Speaker 2: fifty to fifty and you're going to choose the third one,

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Speaker 2: we should call those better worse?

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, it's NBA. My bad, I'm looking at the

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Speaker 1: list here. It's NBA. Uh. What's worse? MLB is worse

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Speaker 1: because of the Black Sox scandal, because everybody you know

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Speaker 1: if they've had a legit huge scandal involving the World Series.

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 2: Final answer, all right, for better or worse?

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Speaker 1: Better?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: For better or worse? Career, we'll put it that way

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Speaker 2: Jamis Winston versus Marcus Mariota.

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Speaker 1: Am I allowed to count high college sure than Jameis Winson? Better, better, better,

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Speaker 1: really win national championship. Mariota did win nation hip, he

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Speaker 1: won a Heisman.

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Speaker 2: He did get to the National championship game against Dan

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Speaker 2: Bayer and they lost to Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Jamis Winston, all right. Mariota had a

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Speaker 1: couple better years, more solid years in the NFL. Jamis

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Speaker 1: had some wild you know, the thirty touchdown thirty interception year,

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Speaker 1: but winning a national championship I think is put to them

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Speaker 1: over the top.

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Speaker 2: Both starting games in twenty twenty five after they were

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Speaker 2: the first two picks in twenty fifteen. Also interesting, Jamis

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Speaker 2: has played in slightly more games. He's thrown for significantly

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Speaker 2: more yards, but again, that wasn't Mariota's entire game. Mariota

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Speaker 2: more a runner than Jamis ever was interceptions. Jamis one

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Speaker 2: hundred and eleven, Mariota fifty nine. Well, just some interesting

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Speaker 2: Jamis leads and Pro Bowls. Jamis one to none against

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Speaker 2: Marcus Mariota.

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Speaker 1: Would you agree? You said a surprise when I said.

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, because I think that Mariota's bounced around in

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Speaker 2: places where like in Atlanta, He's maybe going to get

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Speaker 2: an opportunity. He's carved his rollout in Washington, led the

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Speaker 2: Titans to playoff victory when he was in Tennessee. And

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Speaker 2: I think the thing that we remember most about Jamis's

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Speaker 2: career is the thirty thirty. It's the eating the w

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Speaker 2: where I actually had actually had football success memories from

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Speaker 2: Mariota in meaningful games, not Jamis, like on Thursday Night

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Speaker 2: football on the Browns beating the Steelers or whoever it was.

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Speaker 2: So that that's why I was a little thrown off.

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Speaker 2: I thought I was actually gonna be Mariota. But National

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Speaker 2: Championship carries a big, big weight, all right. Dougs for

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Speaker 2: Better or Worse? Second year quarterback Caleb Williams versus Jayden

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Speaker 2: Daniels versus Drake May.

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Speaker 1: Drake May better? Who is the first one because Jane Daniels,

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Speaker 1: And who's the throw one? Caleb Williams Caleb Williams. I

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Speaker 1: put Caleb Williams worse, Jay Datas in the middle.

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Speaker 2: For better or worse. Doug International Game Germany versus Spain,

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Speaker 2: Spain this week.

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Speaker 1: Into Spain, but I'd surely like to get.

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Speaker 2: There Germany last week in Berlin and Berlin.

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Speaker 1: If you get to stop it's the gentleman, it's the

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Speaker 1: Berlin Wall. I'm gonna go Spain. I got caught in

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Speaker 1: a a. It was an Instagram like stop, I.

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Speaker 2: Share place some money on that.

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Speaker 1: The laugh laugh, The laugh is what did it? The

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Speaker 1: laugh is what did it? They were doing great until that. Laughs. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I saw this thing on TikTok or Instagram that San Sebastian, Spain.

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Speaker 1: Do you know San Sebastian, Spain has more Michelin Star

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Speaker 1: restaurants than anywhere else in the world, any city in

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Speaker 1: the world.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: And the game is not in San Sebastian, Spain. But

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to throw that nugget out because I

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Speaker 1: saw on Instagram. And if it's on Instagram, it wants

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Speaker 1: to be true.

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Speaker 2: Finally, Doug for Better or Worse twin city and you

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Speaker 2: in Minneapolis or a Saint Paul guy.

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Speaker 1: Well, we play in Saint Paul tomorrow night against the

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Speaker 1: Tommy's the Saint Thomas, and then we play in Minneapolis

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Speaker 1: on Saturday night against the Gophers. I'm gonna go just Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: I haven't spent a ton of time in Saint Paul.

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Speaker 1: We will over the next two nights and I'll report back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe a new verdicts next week. And that's game time.

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Speaker 5: Game correct me.

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Speaker 1: If I'm ranch kill, all the golfers will lock you

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Speaker 1: up and throwing the key. They're paternal twin cities, paternal twins.

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Speaker 1: I wish somebody had say another paternal fraternal twin cities

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Speaker 1: coming up next to the Doug Gotlibes show, Middle of

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Speaker 1: the Day, middle of the week, middle of the show.

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Speaker 1: The Midway is next