1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice, Davey Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Dirty Rush. The boys are 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: taking over today. We're your hosts. I'm Ben Higgins. 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 3: And I'm Bob Giddy. 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: We're giving you the male take on sororities and trying 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: not to get ourselves in too much trouble. Honestly, we 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 2: will not just part of life. We're going to take 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 2: a few callers from you listeners out there on your 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: opinions on sororities from a male perspective. So let's just 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 2: dive in. Bob, we're obviously hosting this today. You and 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: I both have a background in Greek life. Well, for me, 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: I'll explain that mine wasn't a long or very deep 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: background in Greek life. However I have, I've been around 15 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: my fair share of sororities, and I have been to college, 16 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: and so I know what we're talking about today. But Bob, 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: I think you're out of the two of us, the 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: expert in Greek life. Give us your background, your resume, 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: and why you know you were hired on to be 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: the co host today. 21 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: Yes, well, thank you for having me here today, Benjamin, 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: and for inviting me to be a part of this 23 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: illustrious show and this panel of guests that will be 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: coming along today. 25 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was I went to Michigan State University. 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: I was on a football team at Michigan State, and 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: I will tell you that I had a bunch of 28 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: buddies that were in a fraternity, the Ato House at 29 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: Michigan State. And the Atos were a pretty pretty cool 30 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: group of dudes, a lot of athletes, a lot of 31 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: cool party guys, a lot of face guys, as they 32 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: said at the time. 33 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: And I decided that that sounded like fun. 34 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: Another guy in the football team, who was one of 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: our middle linebackers, was on the was in this fraternity, 36 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: and he's like, trust me, I got you. 37 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: You have a great experience, will have fun. And I did. 38 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: I rushed the house and as a result of that, 39 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: I brought in or brought around several of my buddies 40 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: who you know, we went there together. Some of us 41 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: went there together, and then some of us came in later. 42 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: But I'm from an area in the Detroit area called 43 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: the Downriver area, and we formed the Downriver six Pack, 44 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: which was six of us from the same area in 45 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: the same fraternity, and I think of us, four of 46 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: us went through Rush together, maybe three of us, and 47 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: then the others came through after. 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: But it was it was pretty cool, man. 49 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: We had a really great time, and it made a 50 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: very large university, Michigan State University for me as a 51 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: result of going, you know, going there and being on 52 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: the football team that made it a whole lot smaller, 53 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: and then being a part of the fraternity system there 54 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: made it even smaller. So I never felt like Michigan 55 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: State was an enormous place. In fact, I felt like 56 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: it was that much bigger than my hometown because I 57 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: felt like I literally knew everybody. 58 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: So it was awesome. 59 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: Well, one thing I need you to do as we 60 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: prepare for the callers that we're going to take listeners 61 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: to the Dirty Rush podcast that you're gonna be calling 62 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: in here to talk about some of the topics that 63 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: we're going to be discussing. Just between you and I 64 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: here to get us going, I want you to start 65 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 2: thinking about, yes, your time and the fraternity, but also 66 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: your relationship to the sororities. I don't know if you 67 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: had much of an interest in sororities when you were 68 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: at Michigan State. 69 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 4: But if you did, I had. 70 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: A strong interest in them. I'd say strong, too, fiercely strong. 71 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: He Bob is a historical genius when it comes to yes, 72 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: sororities in the history, what they care about, and who 73 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: they are. 74 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 3: You know. 75 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: I went to Indiana University, a fellow ten school, an amazingution. 76 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,839 Speaker 2: I went to Indiana and was very excited about being 77 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: a part of Greek life. I went there having great 78 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: friendships from home, but also wanting to build new friendships. 79 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: I kind of had this voyager mentality where I was 80 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 2: an only child from More Sandy and I wanted to 81 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: spread my wings, and so I joined. I think of 82 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: fraternity for all the wrong reasons. Not because I necessarily 83 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: liked the guys that were part of the house, and 84 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: not because I necessarily liked the house itself. It was 85 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: because it was the coolest house on campus. It was 86 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: the one that everybody wanted to go to. It had 87 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: the best party room, which looking back, it was a 88 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: very naive decision for me because I've never been a 89 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: huge partier. It's not like something that I get jazzed about. 90 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: And so the fact that I joined a house that 91 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: only partied. Really was a mistake of me of mine. 92 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: I joined it with one of my best friends in 93 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: the world who went through RUSH, and I never fully 94 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: completed it for a few reasons. It was a twenty 95 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 2: eight week long pledgeship, so it took up the whole year, 96 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: which was exhausting to be which is crazy to think that, 97 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: you know, college is four years and you're going to 98 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: spend so much time of it. Kind of being you know, 99 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: kicked around as a pledge their ploodship was very difficult. 100 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: I went through the whole thing, and with three weeks left, 101 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: I have all these stories on the things we had 102 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: to do and the things I did to try to 103 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: get into that house and be embossed around by people 104 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: one year older than me, which I still find to 105 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: be the weirdest thing in the world looking back. But 106 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 2: I was diagnosed with mono and had to go home. 107 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 4: For four weeks. 108 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 2: Came back to the last week of pledgship and kind 109 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: of got. I mean, I don't want to say bet 110 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: up because that sounds a bad I just got they 111 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: did not take it easy on me. Long story short, 112 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: ended up very sick again from that week and never 113 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: fully completed it, however, had great buddies house was over 114 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: there many many a times afterwards. 115 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 4: Uh. 116 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: And because of my long standing pledge ship, I had 117 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: made good relationships with some of the sororities. I have 118 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 2: amazing stories about sororities and some of the hospitalities they 119 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: showed me, which is always a special time to look 120 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: back on before bringing our first caller. I know they're 121 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: kind of on the line waiting right now. If we 122 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: just started this out with your top sororities and kind 123 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: of why you liked them, I think that would be 124 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: a good way to get this thing kicked off. 125 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, I mean my college experience, my experience, 126 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: by the way, was a little different than yours because 127 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: I was actually my I was a pledge educator, meaning 128 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: I like was the leader of the pledges at one point, 129 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: and I was also the social director of our fraternity, 130 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: so I got to know all the storties pretty well. 131 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 3: But I was never fine with people being haze or whatever. 132 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: I was like, how do you. 133 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: Expect these people to want to be your friends if 134 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: you're in jackass to them? You know, however long the 135 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: time and frame it is, So I always had that 136 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: kind of mentality going. 137 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 3: So I totally relate to what you're saying. 138 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, I would say, uh, you know, in Michigan 139 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: State when I was there, the atls are no longer 140 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: on campus, by the way, uh got the boot. But 141 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: when I was there, we were probably one of the 142 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: more notable party houses uh there as well, And I 143 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: would always pick out like the ky Omegas and the 144 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: Alpha Kyomegas, the Sigma Kappas and. 145 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: Uh, the Alpha Fees uh. 146 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: And we partied a lot with the Kappa Kapa Gammas 147 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: as well, And so I was a regular at a 148 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: lot of those date parties too. So I loved it 149 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: because I'd be like, hey, yeah, I was the single guy, 150 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: so where are we going. 151 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: Oh, we're gonna go, you know, to this awesome ski 152 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 3: resort I'm in, you know, And I was. I loved it. 153 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: You know, It's super fun. 154 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: But those sororities, I think the reasons why we would 155 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: typically they were considered the kind of the top houses 156 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: on campus, and probably the reasons why we chose to, 157 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, have them at our parties and things of 158 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: that nature was because a lot of the guys in 159 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: the fraternity maybe dated girls in that sorority or. 160 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: Whatever it might be. 161 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: And so there were you know, relationships that had been 162 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: built there from whether they were girl from boyfriend, and 163 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: then we became friends with all their friends type of thing. 164 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: It just became kind of like this intertwined, you know, 165 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: connected group of people. And they were super fun, you know, 166 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: always up for a fun event, and they showed up, 167 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, like that was one of the things too, 168 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: Like you have a party as a fraternity on campus, 169 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: and the last thing you want is, I believe the 170 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: term would be for it to be a sausage fest, right, 171 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: you know what, you don't just want all the dudes 172 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: from all the fraternities that are also invited to show 173 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: up and none of the women to show up. So 174 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: you always wanted the women who would actually show up 175 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: and have fun and enjoy the party as well. And 176 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: so that was kind of a cool thing I think 177 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: about the Stroties that I mentioned was not only were 178 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: they you know, super involved in everything that they were doing, 179 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: but they were a lot of fun. They were great 180 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: to hang out with, great personalities. And then you know, 181 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: also they would they would show up in full and 182 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: they'd roll on in and the party would would go 183 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: up a notch the second they got there. The hardest 184 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: part was actually determining which sororities party with that which functions. 185 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: So that was always kind of an interesting, you know, 186 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: little algorithm I had to figure out too. 187 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: The let's be honest, though, Bob, again, we're gonna get 188 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 2: ourselves into trouble today. We do have a collar on 189 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: the line that we're going to bring in right now. 190 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: The physical attraction also became a theme, like this house 191 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: is beautiful, right, or this house is kind of down 192 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: my lane, and what I'm physically attracted through that also 193 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: played a huge role. And what houses you partied with 194 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: and which ones you didn't. 195 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, there was definitely a little bit of that 196 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: there too, Probably a lot of that there. But like 197 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: I said, you know a lot of times it was 198 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: guys in the house maybe were dating girls in that house, 199 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: and so you got to know them all and and 200 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: the atos in general had impeccable taste, so of course 201 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: they were, you know, hanging out with the smoke shows 202 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: of that particular time and campus. 203 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 2: The house that I was in is no longer at 204 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: Indiana University. 205 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: The name of can we ask the name of that? 206 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Okay, in most places, it's not very good. 207 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: At Indiana University is very good. 208 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 5: I think. 209 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: I don't mean to sound disrespectfully, but it almost sounds 210 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: like something you would need an ointment for. 211 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if you if you suffer from acasha. 212 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a fair statement. I think for 213 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: the things that happened in some of the reasons why 214 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: that house is no longer on. 215 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: Care, I can imagine. 216 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, we have our first caller in uh. 217 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: He is not only entrenched into the fraternity life, he also, 218 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: I'm assuming probably played a role as social chair. Just 219 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: looking at this man's face makes me quiver. It is 220 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: Brick Rhinestone, join us today. 221 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 6: What's up your pretty faces? 222 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: You know? So it's funny. 223 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: You and I have often been compared to one another 224 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: from our mutual friends. And I was a social chair 225 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: in my fraternity and Ben stole it from me when 226 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: I said, I was thinking, I bet you Brick Rhinstone 227 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 1: was also the social director of his fraternity, and I 228 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: have a feeling you were. 229 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 6: I was not. 230 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 7: You would think I would have a real strong case 231 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 7: for it because I went to school in Kansas and 232 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 7: I came from California, and so I thought I'd be 233 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 7: the big ship when I got there, and I was 234 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 7: quickly put in my place, and. 235 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 6: I was not social chair. 236 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 7: I did get into the house that I wanted to 237 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 7: and still have a lot of those friends, but. 238 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 6: I was not as cool as I thought I was. 239 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 6: I was putting checked pretty quickly. 240 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: Really, do you think that's part of why there's a 241 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: ploogship with fraternities to put people in there. 242 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 243 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 7: I mean, listen, Bob and I went to school a 244 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 7: very long time ago, so things have changed. 245 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: Yes, it's much different. 246 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 7: But yeah, I do think that when you go through 247 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 7: Rush and you sign a house and you have all 248 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 7: these older actives who obviously have put in their time 249 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 7: and they think that they're the king of the mountain, 250 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 7: and then you get these freshmen that come in and think, oh, 251 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 7: I got into the house that I wanted, this is 252 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 7: going to be so cool. You get put into reality 253 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 7: check pretty quickly about where you are on the totem pole. 254 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 255 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 4: It's probably healthy. 256 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it probably is to a certain degree. 257 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: I mean part of it too, is I mean, you know, 258 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: you get into like the psyche of some of these 259 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: dudes that have been there for a while, and in 260 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: their minds, they're like, well, in the military, we break 261 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: it down to build you back up. And you're like, well, dude, 262 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: you've never been to the military first and foremost, so 263 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: what's tell you're talking about. 264 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 3: But I do feel like that's kind of what these 265 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: guys think they're doing, right. 266 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: They're going to reshape you in the mold of what 267 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: they want the FRAT to look at, that's for sure. 268 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: Now we're here today to talk about sororities. I don't 269 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 2: know if you feel comfortable talking about the topic of 270 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: sororities or if you have much experience, but Bob and 271 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: I just kind of went through some of our favorites. 272 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: Bob shared his top three favorite houses. Actually, I think 273 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: Bob shared about ten places that he enjoyed visiting. Yeah, 274 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you a similar but different question. 275 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: I would love for you to talk about maybe why 276 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: you didn't enjoy a certain sorority, like what made you 277 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: stay away from them or not invite them to the parties, 278 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 2: and then also talk about what made you enjoy certain sororities, 279 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: why you enjoyed being around them. Hey, we've already broached 280 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: the subject, obviously. It's college and We cannot at all 281 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: skim over the fact that we were all very very 282 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: immature people at the time, and physical attraction was a 283 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: huge component into why you hung out with certain houses 284 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: and you didn't. However, there's other reasons. So let's start, 285 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: which was a sorority you stayed away from and why? 286 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 7: This is a loaded question that could come back and 287 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 7: really bite, So I'm just going to answer this politically 288 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 7: that there are certain sororities that we stayed away from 289 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 7: and because they weren't quote unquote the cool or the 290 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 7: beautiful girl rolls. If if somebody found out you were 291 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 7: dating somebody or you hooked up with someone from one 292 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 7: of those sororities, it was kind of looked down upon. 293 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 6: And so I'm not going to name any names, but 294 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 6: we definitely had. 295 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 7: Sororities that were the top tier, and those I would 296 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 7: say that was probably Theta Kyo and Delta Gamma, at 297 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 7: least when I went to school, those were kind of 298 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 7: like the top three. That's where the pretty girls were. 299 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 7: That was where you had house parties with your fraternity. 300 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 7: You would do a joint obviously the sorority and fraternity, 301 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 7: and those were also relatively close to our fraternity, So 302 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 7: it made it very easy getting back and forth going 303 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 7: to those parties. 304 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 6: But I think that once again just kind of like 305 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 6: what we see how it started. 306 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 7: It is that you know, they mold you into the fraternity, 307 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 7: molds you into what they want, and it starts from 308 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 7: day one when you're a pledge and you're going to 309 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 7: do as I say, and this is, you know, kind 310 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 7: of our mantra and this is what we follow, and 311 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 7: then it kind of bleeds into other things, whether it 312 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 7: be sports, whether it be sororities, whether it be you know, academics. 313 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 6: And so I think. 314 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 7: That that was you know, there could have been a 315 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 7: beautiful girl at a lesser sorority, but I probably would 316 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 7: not have done that. 317 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 6: Just because of the. 318 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 7: Backlash that I would have gotten from going out with 319 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 7: that person. And also the fact that we're probably never 320 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 7: going to do a fraternity sorority party with that sorority 321 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 7: would make it more difficult for me in the dating 322 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 7: world or socially if that particular sorority was not going 323 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 7: to be part of my everyday, you know kind of 324 00:16:59,040 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 7: social life. 325 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 4: Brick. 326 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: The interesting thing about Indiana University is it's the greek 327 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: life is set up in two places. We have Greek 328 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 2: Grow where you know, you had all the houses on 329 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: a street, and then we had Third Street, which had 330 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 2: some of the bigger mansions, and that was across campus. 331 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 4: It wasn't a short walk. 332 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: It was a twenty five to thirty minute walk to 333 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 2: get from where most of the houses were to Third Street. 334 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 4: But Third Street was where. 335 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: Like you wanted to be. Those were the cool houses, 336 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: those were the best houses. That was where everything happened. 337 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: And I agree with you, Bob, I'm wondering if you 338 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: had the same experience. Proximity played a huge role in 339 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 2: the kind of universe that we operated in socially, because 340 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: it was hard for us to convince anybody from thirty 341 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: minutes away to come down to hang out. 342 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was part of it. 343 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: I mean, for us, all the sororities were pretty much 344 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: on the same street, right so it was basically, you know, 345 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: the fraternities were kind. 346 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 3: Of off the beaten path for those. 347 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: But the sororities were all kind of right there, and 348 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: we were pretty close to the majority of them. 349 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think proximity did. 350 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: Play a part because some of the outliers probably just 351 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: got passed over because they weren't as close like you know, 352 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: you mentioned like the Theta House. Data House was popular 353 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: house in Michigan State too, but they weren't really near 354 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: our fraternity comparatively to the others, and so we still 355 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: did stuff with it, but we probably didn't do stuff 356 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: with them as much. 357 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 4: The brick. 358 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 2: The thing that I found that I'm thinking back on 359 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 2: this time that was always very interesting is how quickly 360 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: when you enter into a fraternity, how quickly the houses 361 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 2: get stereotyped. I want to hear, how why the two 362 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: of you think these houses get stereotyped the way they do. Right, 363 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: we had the house when you mentioned Alpha fees like, 364 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: oh they're very smart, when you talk about the zetas, 365 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: Oh they're all blods, like you just had these like 366 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: stereotypes that were not always true, but it was kind 367 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: of the way that we talked about these houses. 368 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 4: Did you have that same experience. 369 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 6: I think that it is. 370 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 7: Listen, a sorority is, or a fraternity for that matter, 371 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 7: is kind of like your group of friends, and you 372 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 7: associate or you kind of gravitate towards people that are 373 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 7: like you. And so while our friend group is much 374 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 7: smaller when you deal with fraternities and sororities, they have 375 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 7: an image that they kind of want to uphold, whether 376 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 7: they be the academic house or whether they want to 377 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 7: be the blonde house, or they want to be the athletes. 378 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 7: So they obviously do that to make sure that they 379 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 7: keep up that stereotype. 380 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 6: And I think that that, you know, it makes it 381 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 6: easier for you as a freshman that. 382 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 7: You can say, Okay, there's ten fraternities that I'm looking at, 383 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 7: and this one's a smart one, so I definitely don't 384 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 7: fit in there, so I don't want to go to 385 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 7: that one. But these are the athletic or these are 386 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 7: the good looking guys, or these are the guys who 387 00:19:59,160 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 7: like to party. 388 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 6: You're gonna you're gonna go. 389 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 7: You're gonna lean towards that because you know you're gonna 390 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 7: have the most in common. And so I think that's 391 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 7: probably the same way with the sororities, although probably women 392 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 7: won't tell you that's why, you know, I doesn't matter. 393 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 7: All my friends are equal, whether they're the smart ones 394 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 7: or not. But I think from my standpoint, that was 395 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 7: what led me to the house that I joined, is 396 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 7: that this is where I had the most in common 397 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 7: with those guys, and and it ended up working great. 398 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 7: I you know, I went to school one hundred years 399 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 7: ago and I still am great friends. 400 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 6: I still see them. 401 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 7: Every year, and that's probably a testament to how the 402 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 7: recruiting or rush operates. 403 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: Brick Reinstone, we appreciate you joining us today to talk 404 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: about your experience in Greek life. It's a pleasure to 405 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 2: have you, an honor to have you on the show. 406 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 4: Continue to be you. 407 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 6: Hey, I'm not done. 408 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 7: I want to say I'm wanna tell one story to 409 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 7: any of your listeners who may be going to college. 410 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 6: I'll tell you what the best thing that I did. 411 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 7: And some people might frown on it, But when I 412 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 7: was in the fraternity and the Theta house was, you know, 413 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 7: one of the more popular ones where certainly the pretty 414 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 7: girls were, I went down there to be a waiter 415 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 7: for the girls, and I'm telling you that might have 416 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 7: been the best decision I made in all of college, 417 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 7: because you get to interact with the girls on a 418 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 7: daily basis. 419 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 6: It's not out of the bar. 420 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 7: It's not like, you know, I want to hook up, 421 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 7: but they get to see who you really are, and 422 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 7: you see them every day for two meals a day. 423 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 6: And I'm telling you I got a lot of dates and. 424 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 7: Probably more than I deserve and probably more than the 425 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 7: Theta house wanted. But being a waiter, if you're going 426 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 7: through rush and you're going to be in a fraternity, 427 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 7: go down and apply to be a waiter at one 428 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 7: of the sororities that you think that you might match 429 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 7: up with or hook up with one of the elder 430 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 7: than that sorority. 431 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 2: That's you know what, You're brilliant because the best way 432 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: to show you care is through service, and what better 433 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 2: way to show service? Yeah, yeah, he's He's opening up 434 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 2: the door for all these little teenage boys entering into college, 435 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: being like I got to apply to serve and Brick 436 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 2: your spot on. 437 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 7: Sounds good, guys, Listen, it was great talking to you. 438 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 7: I hope to see those pretty faces very soon. 439 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 3: Love you guys, Well yeah, love that guy. 440 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you can just see it. 441 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: Brick was one of those guys that all the other 442 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: fraternity brothers just wanted to be around because he wasn't 443 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: like slimy, you know, he wasn't excuse. He really did 444 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: want to make friendships, which I think is very valuable. 445 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: But also to be a guy that the women go, wow, 446 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: he's such a good dude. Goodness, gracious, he did it 447 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: and he just had ha. Happens to be very some. Also, 448 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 2: some people have it all. Some people have it all. 449 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 2: Some people are the quarterback at Michigan State. Some people 450 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 2: gain seventy five pounds in college and sit on their 451 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: couch and just waits for friends to come and sit 452 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 2: next to me. Anyways, Hey, we have another caller coming up. 453 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 2: This caller is another person with a deep tie to 454 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 2: Greek life. We're going to talk to him today, Bob, 455 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 2: I really want to find out from him. You know, 456 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 2: Brick is one of those nice guys, and I think 457 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: the next one's a nice guy too. However, I want 458 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 2: to know what he doesn't didn't like about sororities. Like, 459 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: I think we need to open this up to give 460 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 2: like some clarity and context for why some sororities just 461 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: weren't chosen to party with the cool kids. 462 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, cool, I like it. 463 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 4: Our caller up next is named Tuck. Tuck. 464 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 2: Obviously from knowing this guy, he was one that made 465 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: the rooms brighter, Bob, when he walked in, right like, 466 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 2: the spirit increased, the energy increased. 467 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 4: Tuck Welcome to the podcast. 468 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: My first question to you is when you think of 469 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: your most iconic story in college, what comes to mind? 470 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 5: Probably my best was a lot of stuff with graduation. 471 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 5: So when you graduate, so I went to CALN thirty 472 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 5: five thousand people, and you have all these schools that 473 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 5: you graduate from, so it takes like two or three weeks. 474 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 5: So you get a gown, you get a cap, and 475 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 5: you go to your own graduation ceremony, but you keep 476 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 5: your gown. So I had several people that said, hey, 477 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 5: come to my graduation and trip and fall down the 478 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 5: stairs and all that stuff. And I don't like being 479 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 5: told what to do. So I said, sure, i'll go, 480 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 5: but I'll do something else. So I went and I 481 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 5: joined the economics graduation. There had a bunch of buddies 482 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 5: that were in that it was another graduation, and so 483 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 5: I sat through the whole thing and then you give 484 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 5: a you give a card that says your name because 485 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 5: they don't know who you are, and so I gave 486 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 5: my name as Joey Buttafuco. When the you know, it 487 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 5: was the all that stuff that was going on, So 488 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 5: they announced Joey Buttafuco and it was like, what did 489 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 5: they just say so it was I had a lot 490 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 5: of fun with a graduation gown that was. That was 491 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 5: a good story. 492 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 3: That's a commitment that shows, I mean you were giving 493 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 3: up your time. 494 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 5: My whole life has been a bit. 495 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 7: Yeah. 496 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 5: I always think about making somebody laugh. 497 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 3: Accomplished. 498 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: The reason we're here today is to give some insight 499 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: into the male perspective on sororities. 500 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 7: Uh. 501 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 2: Looking back at your time uh at the University Cow, 502 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 2: what sororities stand out to you in your mind of 503 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: place of places that you had good memories. 504 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 5: With, Well, I would say pie Fi number one because 505 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 5: I married uh my present wife only wife. Uh, she 506 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 5: was a pie Fi. I would rank pi Fi probably 507 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 5: fourth on houses, but I married her nonetheless. 508 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 4: Uh, kapas were good. 509 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 5: Uh, DG's were good at pi Fi's were probably third, 510 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 5: and tried it eats were pretty good. 511 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: We have some themes going on here, Bob, don't We 512 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 2: have similar houses that have been mentioned now from you 513 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: to Brick to Tuck. We have we have a theme 514 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 2: going on that some houses stand up above the rest. 515 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 4: Now what houses to you? Tuck? Maybe you look back 516 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 4: on without the fond memories. 517 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 5: Uh? 518 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 2: And and maybe why did some sorority not click with 519 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: your house while others did well. 520 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 5: I should also say I I don't know that the 521 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 5: cap is or dgi's talked to me either, So there, 522 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 5: you know, there's a there's a scale there that should 523 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 5: be noted. I have a bad in my brain. Theda's 524 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 5: Thetas are bad, you know. So it's right behind Sae House, 525 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 5: so if you're looking in the backyard, you can see 526 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 5: the Theta house, which is bad to begin with. And 527 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 5: we had a party with them called upside Down Margarita party, 528 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 5: and it was like in the I can't remember what 529 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 5: it called, the sump or the pit, you know, in 530 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 5: the basement where we have this party with girls. It's 531 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 5: not above ground, so we always had this party down 532 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 5: below upside down Margarita. You can imagine what it was. 533 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 5: Not that that was a bad party. I didn't originate 534 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 5: that party, but that was not like Theda's. And that 535 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 5: party just didn't seem like a good idea. 536 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 4: A party experience at college. 537 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 2: There's a lot of ones that I like look back on, 538 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 2: and you know, it's kind of like the slam your 539 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 2: head against the pillow moments where you're like, goodness, that 540 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 2: could have gone really bad, and a bunch of twenty 541 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: year olds to twenty two year olds with the you know, 542 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 2: the things available to us, and we were just kind 543 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 2: of let loose. 544 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 4: You know. 545 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: There there's a lot of things that I choose to 546 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 2: I think forget, but overall, Tuck. When you look at 547 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 2: your experience in Greek life, is it one that you 548 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: still look back on with fond memories? 549 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: You know? 550 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: We had just a guest on Brick was telling us 551 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 2: that some of his best friends today are still from 552 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: his fraternity house. He still gets together with them. Obviously 553 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: it's lasted. He's in his fifties now that long. 554 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 4: Do you have the same experience totally? 555 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. First of all, every rule that's in place now 556 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 5: for my kids and all the fraternity and sororities parties, 557 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 5: every rule they have need a wristband, all this stuff, 558 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 5: no kegs. All this stuff came from my era. Of 559 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 5: all the stuff where somebody died or should have died, 560 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 5: or can't do this, or you can't light this thing 561 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 5: on fire. All those rules you can't do was it 562 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 5: was bad? You could do whatever you want. But to 563 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 5: answer your question, I have probably you know, text groups 564 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 5: of twenty twenty five of these folks that I still 565 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 5: connect with. We do these parties every Christmas. Lots of 566 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 5: people that we still stay in contact with. And I 567 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 5: have two or three that are you know, if something 568 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 5: were to happen to me, they would they would fill in, 569 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 5: you know, and play play dad for my kids. So 570 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 5: very fond memories of these people, and to me, totally 571 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 5: worth it. You're just kind of looking for two or 572 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 5: three people out of this thing. 573 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, talk. 574 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 2: The final question I have is then you two might 575 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: be able to explain it to me. I don't understand 576 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: this term. There's a question here from our producers that 577 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 2: asks did you ever go to a pinning? Did you 578 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: pin anyone? Is the question? Do you guys know what 579 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 2: a pinning is? 580 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 3: Yep? 581 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 5: And the answer is no. I think it's silly, but 582 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 5: you're basically just saying, hey, we're girlfriend boyfriend and let's pin. 583 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 5: We're probably gonna get married. We had a couple of those. 584 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 5: I think two of them they both got married. But 585 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 5: who cares. I got to tell you a really good story. 586 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 3: I got. 587 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 5: This is like from a fraternity perspective, and Rush, this 588 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 5: was probably my all time greatest thing that I did 589 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 5: pulled off. There After a while, you get kind of 590 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 5: sick of this stuff and you're like, I don't want 591 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 5: to do this anymore. You just show up, and so 592 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 5: you get bored. And so I came up with this 593 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 5: idea that I'm going to make up a fictitious person 594 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 5: and I'm going to get this person a bid. So 595 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 5: every day I would write this person's name and I, 596 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 5: you know, I said, whatever, his name is, Ben Higgins 597 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 5: from Newport Beach, California water polo player. And then at 598 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 5: night you go through and you talk about these people 599 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 5: and they say, okay, Ben Higgins, and so I'm like, oh, yeah, 600 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 5: I saw him. What a stud six or four, blonde hair, 601 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 5: super strong. He's thinking about going to the next doorhouse. 602 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 5: We got to get him. But this is our guy, 603 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 5: and so I kept writing his name down and then 604 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 5: trying to show him up. You know, where is he 605 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 5: we got to meet him. I'm like, he just left. 606 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 5: He's in the back doing beer bongs with us and stuff. 607 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 5: And ultimately it got to the point that they're like, 608 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 5: we don't think that this person exists, you know. So 609 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 5: I knew I needed a wingman. So you talked about 610 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 5: the people that I that I made friends with. I 611 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 5: reached out to my wingman. I'm like, hey, I'm totally 612 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 5: made up this guy's name, but I need you to 613 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 5: vouch for me. And everybody loves you. So then somebody says, 614 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 5: has anybody else met Ben Higgins? And my buddy raises 615 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 5: his hand, he goes, I have. He's a fucking stud. 616 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 5: We got. We got to do everything we can to 617 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 5: get this guy in and I was like, yes, and uh, 618 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 5: ultimately this thing got it failed, like we didn't like 619 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 5: you write a bit, but I almost got an imaginary person. 620 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 5: It's to show how silly this is. 621 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: Cok. 622 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: I got a question for you, So, had you gotten 623 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: down to the final night. We used to have the 624 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, the pictures would pop up and we'd be like, okay, 625 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: this is you know, you know John Smith or whatever. 626 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: So what did you have planned for that in the 627 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: event that it got to that point? Did you guys 628 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: do the photos and the whole better? Was it just 629 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: name recognition only? 630 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 5: That's that's a very intelligent question. We didn't have photos. 631 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 5: I mean again, it's just like a notepad. You signed 632 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 5: your name so I'm fifty five, So we weren't into 633 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 5: the you know, nobody had phones or cameras. Uh yeah, 634 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 5: no phones there. You know, you just uh, you just 635 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 5: had to kind of wing it. So a lot of 636 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 5: it was, hey, we trust you. You're a good person, 637 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 5: and I was kind of not doing the best from 638 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 5: a trust perspective. 639 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 3: I think that's classic. 640 00:32:59,600 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: Though. 641 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: We did polaroids because you and I are about the 642 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,959 Speaker 1: same age, So we did polaroids and we'd pop them 643 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: up on the screen, and you know, it was kind 644 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: of like animal. 645 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: House, right. 646 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: It was like, you know that that picture would pop 647 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: up and people would throw their drinks at the screen 648 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. 649 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 3: You know, it was ridiculous. 650 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 5: You know those ski masks that have the holes here 651 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 5: and then this. So I'm running around the house like, 652 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,959 Speaker 5: hey guys, you know I got to run like pretending 653 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 5: I was a guy. So probably the best I could do. 654 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 3: So good. 655 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: I can't let you get away from here without asking 656 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: you. You screwed over the fact that you married somebody that 657 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 2: you met in college. Can you tell us more about this? 658 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 2: And you ranked her house? I hope she listens as 659 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 2: the third or fourth. Let's just put an emphasis on 660 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 2: that so you can have a great conversation tomorrow. 661 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 4: About it. 662 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 2: But you met your wife in college. She was a 663 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 2: part of a sorority, can you in detail? 664 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 5: Yes, I met her. She's a year younger than me. 665 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 5: We went on a couple for states. I really liked her. 666 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 5: She was cute, she was funny, she laughed at every 667 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 5: single thing I did. And so we went to some 668 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 5: date party. We went as Roger Rabbit and Jessica and 669 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 5: she says that I went home with somebody else, which 670 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 5: is a lie, but apparently she didn't. She didn't want 671 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 5: to date me too much longer after that, and so 672 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 5: then she went out and dated this boy for Fi Cap, 673 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 5: another good house water polo player. He was the best 674 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 5: water polo player probably in the country. Cow was really 675 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 5: good at water polo player. I would go to his 676 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 5: games and I would see her and I'm like, hey, 677 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 5: you going to the water polo game and she goes, no, 678 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 5: why would, I'm like, cause your boyfriend's a pretty big deal. 679 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 5: And she didn't care about any of that stuff. And 680 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 5: then they broke up, and then we saw her. I 681 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 5: saw her coming out of Tahoe and I was bronze blonde, 682 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 5: hair ripped, you know, everywhere. And then so we went 683 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 5: on a date. Uh and and kind of rekindled our relationship. 684 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 5: Uh and then ultimately got married and had three three kids, 685 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 5: two kids, three kids. 686 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 3: Sorry, uh better, I always forget that one. 687 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's like a middle boy. I have a boy 688 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 5: and a girl bus. Sorry boy, girgles, Sorry sorry Tuck. 689 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 2: You're you're one of a kind. 690 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 4: We appreciate you coming on. 691 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 2: Thanks for talking to us today, Thanks for giving us 692 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 2: your perspective on greek life, sorority life, especially here on 693 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: the Dirty Rush Podcast. 694 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 5: Thank you, thanks for chatting with me. 695 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 3: Guys. 696 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 5: Bye bye bye talk. 697 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 2: It's been in bob here with a Dirty Rush podcast. 698 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 2: We're having a blast talking to guys about their experiences 699 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 2: with sorority life. We're reminiscing, we're learning, and we're growing, 700 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 2: and we're not done yet. 701 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 4: Until next time. I've been Beto