1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. Man, welcome back to Coast to Coast, George 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: nor back with you with William forstune. We'll take calls 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: with William next hour here on Coast to Coast William, 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: So we're talking about the solar flares. How long do 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: you think the power realistically would go out if a 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: large Carrington size event hit us? A long time? You 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: got to realize that if fries off relays in fact, 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: one of the things, it's not necessarily what you might 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: have in your house if you disconnected things beforehand, but 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: you got to go all the way back to the 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: power station, and then the hundreds of miles of power 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: lines going back and forth, you get shorts there. It 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: takes a long time to bring them back. And do 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: they have enough workers to get things working? No, I 16 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: don't think so. No, Nor do we have the the reserve. 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: I mean, they've got a couple of crews on call 18 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: all the time. But you're talking about a handful of 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: guys and women that's it. Well, you know, I remember 20 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: it's about a year ago. I was driving down the 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: road and I saw one these big new generator systems, 22 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, in the wide load and such. I remember 23 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: commenting to a friend that was with me. I said, 24 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: you know, it takes about a year to two years 25 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: in advance to order one of these. And they come 26 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: from China, don't they. Yeah, our friends in China. Yeah, 27 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: And of course they're going to airlift all that stuff 28 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: towards immediately. Oh sure, quickly. As soon as they find 29 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: out our powers out, they'll be jumping for joy. Yes, Okay, 30 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: so that's that's the x flaire. Now, what about the 31 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: technical situation with an emp A nuke detonated, let's say 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: in three spots over the United States. How quickly does 33 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: that work? And then what happens there? Okay, from launch 34 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: to detonation is roughly twenty minutes, and that would be 35 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: about twenty minutes for us to say goodbye to each other. 36 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: Because these nukes, and they don't have to be big. 37 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: They can be fifty to one hundred kiel a ton 38 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons, not the big blockbusters. It sets up an 39 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: electromagnetic disturbance in the atmosphere. The cascades down at the 40 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 1: speed of light. Because the Earth is a magnetic core, 41 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: anything magnetize is going to be drawn towards it, so 42 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: the instant that it hits, everything starts cooking off and darkness. 43 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: What about our retaliation. One of the reasons why we've 44 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: never gotten to war with the Soviet Union now Russia 45 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: was because of the checkmate system. Basically, yeah, where they 46 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: had it and we had it, it was mad exactly. 47 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: But what about a rogue nation like Iran or North 48 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: Korea might want to launch one of these from some 49 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: ship and we have no idea where it is. Yeah, 50 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: the great fearless leader of North Korea discovers these terminal 51 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: so he figures he'll take us along with him. There 52 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: is where mad doesn't work. Okay, we retaliate and we 53 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: blank it their country. But then again, you're gonna blank 54 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: at North Korea with nuclear weapons. If the wind's flowing 55 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: from the North to the South, you're gonna wipe out 56 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 1: South Korea as well. So even if we did limited strikes, 57 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: as I had a character in my book say towards 58 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: the end of the first book in the series, one 59 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: second after when somebody's describing to them, all we really 60 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: gave them payback, and he said, does that change anything? Well, then, 61 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: how do you know it came from North Korea. Precisely. 62 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: You take a rogue ship anchored a couple hundred miles 63 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: out in the Gulf of Mexico. You do a launch 64 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: from a container ship about eight minutes max. Do we 65 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: have equipment that tells you that there's a nuke coming 66 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: or something like that? Can we pick up that kind 67 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: of radiation or anything? You gotta be alongside it, you 68 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: do pretty damn You got to be close. You can't 69 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: do it from one hundred miles or anything like that. Yeah, okay, God, 70 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: he's a scary times it is. William forced him with 71 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: us his books one year after, one second after tied 72 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: into what we're talking about tonight. His website is linked 73 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: up at Coast to coast dot com. When you titled 74 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: the book one second after, does it happen that quickly? Absolutely? Yes, 75 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: And again it's not going to be that there's going 76 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: to be a huge flash of light and everybody's going, 77 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: what the hell was that? You're talking about two hundred 78 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: miles up pop. If you're looking directly at it, you 79 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: might see it. Even then it wouldn't amateur. But literally 80 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: one second after it all starts a cascade down. Yet 81 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: nobody is doing anything legislatively. What's our buddy Peter Prye 82 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: up to these days? Peter Prye, Oh, for your audience, 83 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: Peter Prye is the godfather of all this. He's someone 84 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: who he turned me on to whip back in the 85 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: late eighties early nine and you turned us on to him. Yes, 86 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: he is a remarkable gentleman, and he's a lone warrior. 87 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how he keeps his sanity at times, 88 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: because he has worked so bloody hard for years twice 89 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: and he actually started to get legislation together, but then 90 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: it only took one representative in the Senate Mkowsky from 91 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: Alaska to kill it, and then it goes back into 92 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: a committee and it sits there for another year. Why 93 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: haven't people like Jeff Bezos who have billions who live 94 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: on the internet, they need technology to survive their business. 95 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: Why aren't they fixing their grid for what? Two billion 96 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: dollars was your estimate last time I talked to you. 97 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: It would be a lot more than that. That's a 98 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: low unestimate and what I would call lifelines of recovery. 99 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: That's still chicken feed for him. Yes, and well, I 100 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: have the one person who's doing great things with SpaceX. 101 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, why not Bezos or Zuckenberg or one of 102 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: the others who could underwrite a fair part of this 103 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: or at least raise public awareness of it. My alfiting 104 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: even just a small part of our country with it. 105 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: It doesn't take that much to build in the security systems. 106 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: And we also got to remember cyber attack or even 107 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,239 Speaker 1: physical attack on relay stations. Remember the San Jose in 108 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: somebody shot at it? Right, Yeah, it doesn't take all 109 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: that much. And that's what's so frustrating with this whole issue. 110 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: Nut Gingrich when he was in the House of Representatives 111 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: was into this. Now that he's out, is he doing 112 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: anything to help? He still is. Newt and I have 113 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: been friends for twenty five years. We've written some books together. 114 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: Is he done with his political career? Oh? Hell no. 115 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: Newt is going strong at eighty and I pray to 116 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: the Lord that he goes for another twenty years. This 117 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: is a hot button issue, he said. It is one 118 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: of the two most important security issues confronting our country 119 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: is to harden our systems so they will not be 120 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: taken out in the event of an emp or even 121 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: a moderate to somewhat severe solar flare. If we announced 122 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: publicly we are going to insulate our grid from these 123 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: possibilities folks and protect the United States. What would the 124 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: reaction be, in your opinion from the Russians, the Chinese 125 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: and people like that. Would they see that as a 126 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: defensive mechanism on our part or something smart? The nearest 127 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: thing I could compare it to would be SDI strategic 128 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: defensive in asiative, which the Russians they went nuts. They 129 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: want nuts over it because in fact it helped the 130 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: bankrupt them. I was over in Russian in the mid 131 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: eighties and was working on some of this, and it's 132 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: all you heard, SDI, SDI, SDI. Today there would be 133 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: concerned that we were insulating ourselves because I call this 134 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: a first strike weapon because because they thought we're going 135 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: to attack, so we want to be insulated, right, Yes, 136 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: and it is a first strike weapon. It's the opening 137 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: move in a larger scale war if you're going to 138 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: be using emph Do you remember what was that movie 139 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: twenty thirty years ago Jason Robarts where they actually did 140 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: do an EMP popping one over. I think it was 141 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: Saint Louis or something great where I am right now, 142 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot I know, is the doctor Strange love Yeah, 143 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: well mind or something in something about something in May 144 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: or something. Was that the one with Burt Lancaster two 145 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: seven days the day after? Yeah? Yeah, it was the 146 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: day after and they pop and all the automobiles on 147 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: the highway instantly shut off. They don't explain it to 148 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: the audience, but I still think, wow, that really got 149 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: it accurately done. And then about ten seconds later they 150 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: start ground bursting weapons. You don't need the ground burst 151 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: to weapon, just do three MPs and three EMPs and 152 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: then sit back, sit back, watch the show. Watch our 153 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: country disintegrate, watch nine percent die within a year. Do 154 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: we have security backup, not for the country, but for 155 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: our submarines and things like that that are out at sea. Yes, 156 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: they are hardened, and I know declassified. And that's the 157 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: only thing I work on is declassified. That we've been 158 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: doing a major effort and bringing our system up. But 159 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: the problem, of course is as you increase your resistance, 160 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: you make a more powerful EMP and China has been 161 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: researching that like crazy for the last ten years. And 162 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: here's the other problem, though, William, Even if we fixed 163 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: everything socially on this planet, with other countries, and we 164 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: shook hands, we hugged, and everybody said, we're going to 165 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: build a better planet. You still have the solar flares 166 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: from the sun you got to worry about. You got it, 167 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: and a Carrington level event, I'd say, we're due. I'm 168 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm amazed that we've been only hit one big time 169 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: in over one hundred years, two hundred years. I'm amazed. West. Well, 170 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: let's say it happens every one hundred and fifty to 171 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: two hundred years. Okay, Well it's been one hundred and 172 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: sixty years since the last one, so we're overdue. Yeah, 173 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: And it's just it's just a matter of being in 174 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: the wrong place at the right time. Yes. The analogy 175 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: I used in one of my books, it was actually 176 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: forty eight hours where you blindfold a guy, put him 177 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: in the superdome, and every hour on the hour, he 178 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: just randomly fires a shot. What's the probability that he's 179 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: going to hit the man standing down at the goalpost 180 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: holding up a little blue marble that represents Earth. Pretty rare, 181 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: but there is that, bob. Yeah, but spread it out 182 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: over one hundred and fifty years and twenty times a day, 183 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: he might do it. Sooner or later, he's gonna get him. 184 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: He's gonna do it. It's or he's gonna get pretty 185 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: darn close. Yes. Yes. Listen to more Coast to Coast 186 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: AM every weeknight at one a m. Eastern and go 187 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: to Coast to Coast am dot com for more