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Speaker 1: to Coast A. M. Lawrence crosses with us his book

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Speaker 1: The Greatest Story Ever Told So Far. Lawrence, there seems

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Speaker 1: to be so much order in the universe. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's the natural tendency people have. We

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Speaker 1: want to look for reasons for things. Even as Darwin

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Speaker 1: You can look you can look at these beautiful Christmas

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Speaker 1: they really are are electron micrographs of snowflakes just water molecules.

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Speaker 1: If you have water, it's a polar molecule and the

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Speaker 1: we find these molecules called carbon sixty buckminster fullerene and

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Speaker 1: formed geodesic domes. So the the appearance of design does

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Speaker 1: not imply design. And and just as Darwin showed that,

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Speaker 1: you know, bees aren't designed to see the colors of flowers,

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Speaker 1: it's just if they If they couldn't, then they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: us is not designed for us. In fact, more likely

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Speaker 1: fine tuning is sort of the same as as saying,

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Speaker 1: one of my reasons for this incredible designs. As strange

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Speaker 1: would design something called rain to bring water two things

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Speaker 1: simple thing. I look at and I go, God, there's

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Speaker 1: surprising that light in a water governed planet, that life evolved,

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Speaker 1: why we have to keep looking. Every time we open

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