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We talk into the 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.000 MIC's been some comments out there, Hey, we can't hear 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.760 nobody in the back. I'm checked out. This sucks. YadA YadA. 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:29.000 Oh wows like that. 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.840 Yeah, they were aggressive. Just know that our fans, our 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.200 tier ones, are on it. They want to hear the 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:34.680 Boys in the back of the bus talk and when 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:36.400 they do, we need to make sure we have a mic. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.000 Yeah, check into this, Yeah yeah. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.960 Subscribe. Make sure you are subscribed to the show, whether 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.320 you're listening to audio or watching on video right now 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.840 on YouTube, consider subscribing to the Boys. That does help 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.000 us out. We're gonna be talking some NFL football. Well mate, 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.240 we won't preview a whole lot of the collegewall playoff 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.400 because you can get that on the Locker Room that 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.760 comes out Wednesdays now, Wednesday night at what six pm? 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.320 Is it six pm? And there's a fun little calling. 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:02.360 You want to tell me about the. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:08.400 Call in the fan calling? Yeah, yeah, brain almost died 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.200 there first. Okay, that's why we're here. That's why there's 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.880 two people in the bus fan calling. Parlay segment for 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:14.600 the Locker Room. If you have a parlay for the 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.719 weekend could be college, could be NFL, could be players, 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.119 It doesn't matter. Just know, take yourself a little selfie video, 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:22.760 give us your best parlay of the weekend and send 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.120 it to info at bustinwtv dot com for a chance 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.119 to be featured on the show Where do we Start? 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:30.880 I think? Where do we start? 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.239 Do you want to talk about what we're doing this weekend? 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:38.360 Yeah? That was a That was an awesome message to get. Yeah. 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:39.520 Who'd you get that message from? 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.159 The boys? Oh? Yeah, the tribe? Yeah, the try The 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:43.640 tribe said hey, we want you to come out and go. 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.200 Does say, hey we got you for the sideline passes? 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:47.280 Wow? Four of them? 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.680 Yes, four time. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.160 Yeah, we're popping in and we're popping out. That's what 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.560 we gotta do. So what we and what myself and 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.279 Will are alluding to, twelve team playoff, first year this 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.000 has ever happened in the history. Now there's a team 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.480 a little bit up north in Indiana, South Bend, Indiana 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:09.839 that is Notre Dame Sherman hates them. They are playing Indiana, 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.000 a team that has just picked and plugged guys from 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.880 the transfer portal and have gone an absolute run in 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:16.560 the Big ten. And we're gonna find out if they 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.440 are for real or they frauds. Sherm our friend in 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.160 the back there is already saying Notre Dame is fraud. 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.360 So he's basically saying this is a game between a 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.120 couple of frauds going to the playoffs. The boys will 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.320 be in South Bend, Indiana watching the historic Notre Dame 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.560 fighting Irish take on the Indiana Hoosiers on the sideline. 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:33.000 Vogg will be coming out the following week. 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:33.640 It is going to be. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:34.599 An electric time. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:36.800 Surem you think both of these teams are frauds. 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.159 He's always said, he said since we've met him, that 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:41.480 Notre Dame is a fraud school. 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.200 Throughout the season, you'd almost assume, like, I. 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.400 Think Indiana has benefited off of their schedule. I think 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.880 they are more of a realistic competitor in the playoff 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.440 than Notre Dame. Notre Dame has yet to win a 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:58.240 BCS Bowl, New Year Six, Bawl, or CFP game. This is, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.760 without a doubt, this is their last chance. If you 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.960 can't get a playoff win against Indiana, you're a fraud 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.800 for life. You're a fraud forever. If it's crazy that 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.360 they keep on getting the invite with their easy schedule. 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.360 They be A and M cool. So did how many 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:21.000 other teams? South Carolina beat A and N Texas Texas? 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:25.240 They're in the playoff LSU. Here's a question for everybody 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.559 on the bus is when if you see a brand 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.240 like Indiana, you think you don't think to yourself football powerhouse. 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.520 But they're in the twelve team playoff. They had a 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.520 hell of a year this year. How many years would 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.960 they have to have of making it to the playoff 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.120 and being a dominant program in the Big Ten to 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.240 be looked at as like a like a football brand 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.160 worthy note, like a noteworthy type brand. How how many 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:46.000 years do you think will? 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.920 Yeah, I would agree you were holding up too, weren't you. JP. Yeah, 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.160 they make a what you're talking about if they make 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:53.960 a run in the playoffs this year and then they 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:55.640 come out hot next year, I mean, that's a it's 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.680 a that's a respect you're saying, that is a football 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:03.839 branded score in this college football playoff era. Yes, Now, 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:05.520 as far as like the blue bloods of the world, 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:06.800 I mean that takes that takes time. 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:08.000 It takes time, It takes decades. 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.920 Yeah, But in the current they make a run in 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.720 this college will playoff and the next year again they 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.680 start off out. What was their season record? Eleven and one? 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:18.480 They're a team to be in a run? 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:19.760 To you? Is they beating Notre Dame? 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:20.520 They beating their dame? 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.280 They still out against Who would they play next? Who 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:27.880 knows who they play next? But they think, oh my gosh, 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:29.360 yeah yeah, Georgia. 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:35.560 No, it's not Georgia. Georgia is on the Uh that 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:42.680 Tennessee State, Arizona State, Texas or uh, look at us, 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:43.960 look at us, look at. 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:50.240 Us football podcast. Here we are who they play? S 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.440 m U and Penn State go against each other, and 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.400 then the winner of that would play. If Indiana beaten 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.360 U a Dame, they played boys, it's Georgia. 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:58.360 So it's Georgia. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.600 Okay, So we could probably say that they're gonna stall out. 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:04.840 But does that count as a run for you? Like 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.680 they beat Notre Dame boom? Is that a run? 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.040 I think it depends on how they played Georgia. If 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.480 they played they played Georgia tough. I mean it's look, 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.400 you you want to go and see what's up with 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.280 Indiana and signetty if you're recruit why not? Yeah? 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.320 Okay, they'll beat Notre Dame. They'll beat Notre Dame. With 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:22.720 you more news, I don't know. 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.200 Hey, how'd you how'd Army do over the weekend? Remember 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:27.200 when you were calling. 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:31.120 For communist will? He added again, they go before they 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:31.840 play Notre Dame. 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:32.680 Get smacked. 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.840 That Navy quarterback had a great game, a great game. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:37.079 That's the where you got to throw it all out 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:38.920 the window. That's that's Army Navy. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:39.720 That's Army Navy. 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.560 Why records go out the window? We saw it with 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:43.760 All State Michigan. 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.200 Record breaking performance by that Navy quarterback. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.360 It was crazy. Yeah, I just thought it was interesting. 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:50.600 Let me gets their ass beat. 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.520 Yeah, let's go over the little quick prediction, Just a 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.800 quick fast prediction. Will hit me down with those lines 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:57.400 right there, Oh State Tennessee, your first art. 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.480 I kind of want to save it for the locker room. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:01.480 That's a good point. 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:04.280 I kind of want to see it right at any research. 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.400 I'm up in the air on on Ohio State Tennessee 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:07.480 right now, Okay, I'll take tennis. 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:08.200 Be told. 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.520 I'm up in the air. I think Ohio State is 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.200 in a great spot to just win the whole damn 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.920 thing since they've lost to since they've had the season 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:17.560 that they've had and losing the Michigan. 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.720 I think they're broken. I think they're broken very well, 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.440 be by three scores. Here's here's one boiler alert for 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.240 the locker room. I'm not going to waiver on this, 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.280 even if everything I look at tells me differently. I 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.720 am going to pick Tennessee. I'm gonna take Tennessee money line. 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.160 And I fully expect Tennessee to plant their flag in 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.120 the middle of Columbus, Ohio before it becomes a felony. 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:38.719 That's what that's That's what I say. They're gonna get 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:39.440 one last one in. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.880 Just send some fans of Columbus Ohio while this game 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.320 is going on, if they win, just get out in 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:45.280 the stadium and plant the flag. 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.920 Plant the flag immediately. And if you're a volunteer, if 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.480 you're putting on the orange, you got to think to yourself, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.079 we're gonna win this game. We got to plant that flag. 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.120 Now, years past, we're talking about pro big ten, pro 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.200 sec Yeah, you're in a spot for the right and 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.720 I know and in the past we've called four Ohio 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:02.120 state fans rooted for Michigan. 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.040 We have called for that and at that time it 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.600 made so much sense to me. At the time when 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.360 we were talking about people rooting for Michigan, it made 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.559 sense to me what transpired between Michigan Ohio state. The 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.960 way Ohio state, the state of Ohio has really just folded, 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.960 has literally crumbled in front of our eyes. A foundation 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.760 of that state has become so little that a Congressman 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.120 is trying to push forward a bill to where planting 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.160 a flag on the fifty yard line should be a felony. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.280 You've lost me. You've not only lost me. I know 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.319 there's people in Ohio that watch this show that are 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.920 hard working, blue collar individuals that just get Patriock to 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.840 Patrick and save up the money they have so that 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.920 they can go wash the scarlet and gran on a Saturday. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:43.800 And I feel bad for those people that they're in 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.360 the position they were. The state's broken because of that. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.320 Tennessee is going to win big. 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.840 Even if I'm Tennessee money line all the way. But 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:54.840 I love plus seven and a half for the walls. 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.400 I think that's a really good bet. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:58.720 Yeah, anybody I'm going to do better. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.840 DraftKings get on there. Plus seven and a half basically 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:02.719 lock so. 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:07.720 Illus DraftKings switches it up on you. Yeah, and I 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.000 had a nine leger hit. Oh, I thought hit last night. 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.080 I hit eight legs out of the nine. All I 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.560 needed left was Josh Jacobs to get sixty plus yards, 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.439 which I think he might have gotten the first half. 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.280 But I go back after I know Josh Jacobs had 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.520 gotten sixty plus. I go back in the app and 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.800 look at my settled bets. Apparently they went back on 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:30.720 a stat correction and uh Khalil didn't get forty plus 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:32.360 yards receiving he got thirty nine. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.079 It's a tough look for DraftKings. 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.760 Yeah, look, I get it because ultimately I'm betting on 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:40.600 him that forty plus. If he didn't have forty plus 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.760 and he had thirty nine, ultimately I lose the bet. However, 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:48.400 what I'm curious about is if before this nine leger happens, 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:50.760 this last leg in my cash it was one hundred 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.280 dollars bet to win, like twenty six hundred, very conservative 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:57.840 nine leg parlay. Well, usually if you put nine legs together, 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.400 you're thinking like plus ten thousand or something some for you, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:05.240 something nuts. But what I'm curious about is say I 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.880 cash out on this hundred dollar bet when it was 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.040 at like seventeen hundred is what the cash out was. 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:12.679 If I cash out and then they go in and 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.160 correct the stat, do they take that money back out 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.000 of my account? That's what I'm curious about. It's wondering 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:19.760 because I was pit. I was like tight, I was like, 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:21.840 what the fuck? And maybe want to go back and 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.000 watch every play of the Bills Lions game just to 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.520 see if he actually it fills thirty nine yards. I'm 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.880 assuming they're correct on that thirty nine yards, so ultimately 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.880 I would win. It's just I saw myself winning and 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:33.880 then I felt like I won, and then I go 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:35.600 back in the app and that that that money's gone. 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.839 One hundred dollars is gone, I. 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:39.360 Think at the very least, And I'm not gonna tell 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:41.480 DraftKings was due. That's a great institution. We love that 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.640 they're part of the show. Maybe just give you a 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.320 hundred dollars back one hundred and one dollars. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:49.440 But if you if you're in defense of DraftKings, like 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.040 if he only got thirty nine yards for real, you 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:53.800 lost the bat. They messed up on the stat correction. 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:58.360 I did lose the bet. You're big, You're a big man. Yeah, 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.120 that's beautiful. I've been obviously thought about this a lot. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.280 Yeah, because some people want to work through right now. 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:04.719 With DraftKings, but then it's like, well, if you only 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.000 got three nine yards, then ultimately I was I lost. 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:08.920 And also drafting has been really good to us too. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.680 Yeah, and I was curious, I am I has anybody 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.000 went through that, anybody had like a parlay that they 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:16.840 might cash out on before you're here. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.600 You're one of like six people in the world that 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.520 have hit been close to a nine leg parlay. You're 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:22.960 one of the people who have been close to a 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:23.720 five leg parlay? 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:26.880 Or was anybody want a singular bet that they was 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.520 corrected on and then they go back? I would assume 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.319 they would just take it out of your account, right. 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.079 God, did you imagine get that email like you just 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.280 hit big on something, you're telling all your boys about it. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.200 Then all of a sudden, DraftKings pops up or any 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.679 betting website pops up like hey, by the way, had 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:43.319 a bit of a whoopsie daisies here. 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.680 Yeah, So I would have you know, the majority of 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.720 people don't like take the money out of the account, 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.040 Like the a't even bigger, go down another warm rabbit hole. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:52.880 Say I only had one hundred dollars, I've bet it 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.360 on that nine like parlay, I cash out before the 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.280 ninth leg, seventeen hundred dollars I deposited back to my 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.480 account before they do the stat correction. Then what. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:02.439 Lawsuit? 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.400 Then what you're in a game? Yeah? 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.520 Yeah, you're going to court against DraftKings. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.599 Yeah, just interesting when it was a wild it was 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:10.120 a wild term. 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:13.520 Did you brought up a big game though? Bill's Lions? Lions, 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.800 they're so plagued by injuries. They lost a d tackle 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.960 yesterday as well. Is it gonna hurt them because right 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.640 now they're tied for the one seed. 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:23.160 I got the. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.680 Lion's schedule right here, it's a favorable schedule. I mean 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.680 they're at the Bucks or at the forty nine ers, 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:34.320 and then they have Minnesota shaky Eagles. Eagles have at Washington, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.520 then they have the Cowboys, and they have the Giants. 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.720 You got to assume they're both gonna win two or 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.800 three of those and then Lions win. Lions would end 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:43.880 up winning the bye. 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:46.960 I'm nervous form in the playoff, the way that they've 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:48.280 had these injuries on defense. 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.840 I know if anybody needs the buye week, it's the Lions. 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.040 They gotta have it because it's a team that's scratched 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:56.800 in Claude. They put the whole entire city on their back. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.560 Like we talked about all the time, the Lady in 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.720 August essentially to us how much he loves the city 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.720 and loves the lines, Like there's fans like that in 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.440 Detroit and you want to see him make a big run. 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.440 But I was looking at the playoff thing, and it's 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.880 hard to think that the Eagles, who might be the 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.520 most miserable type for one seed of all time the 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.840 team but Eagles and Chiefs, because you look at the 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.760 AFC picture and it's like, it's gonna be the Chiefs again. 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:26.920 It's gonna be the Chiefs in Minnesota. Sneak. It's Minnesota sneaking, 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.920 sneak in there. I mean eleven and two. They're a 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:31.320 good team. 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.600 Yeah, that's a good ball club, There's no doubt about it. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:38.840 Philly's interesting. They are. It is crazy how they are 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.720 arguably the best team in the NFL and it just 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.720 seems like they have nothing but drama around them. Did 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.520 you see the Sirianne clip last night to where he's 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.320 going to the to the bench on the d line 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.520 of the Lions coach like basically saying, hey, not now, 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.600 not now, And it's just I don't know, I don't 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.800 I just don't know how I feel about how they 0:15:54.880 --> 0:16:01.880 feel about Sirianni. Seems like he just has like no respectation. God, 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.400 I hate That's what it is. From a from a listen, 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.040 third party. I'm on the outside looking in. There seems 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:08.600 to be something new every week. Last week it was 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.680 AJ Brown, but they they all learned from that. It's 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.360 like feed the beast, feed the man. He scores a touchdown, 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:14.840 the over and celebrate they got the ball. 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.160 Over, Sorry, it catches over one hundred yards a touchdown 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.200 and then there's the celebration. To me, it just made 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:20.640 me laugh. 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.280 Yeah, they're letting you know that they handled it. They're 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.680 letting you know that they handled it in house. That hey, 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:27.840 give a J. Brown the football. You're gonna need to 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:29.400 give a J. Brown the football if you're gonna win 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:29.840 this whole thing. 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.480 True, I mean Saquon Barkley, but yeah. 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:33.720 No doubt, you're right, you're right. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:37.920 But if you're if you're twelve and two, is a 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.280 ball club, like you should be the energy should be 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.440 higher than ever this point December, everyone's getting Christmas gifts. 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:48.160 The quarterbacks auditioned out to everybody. Something big, something big, 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:50.760 and right now it's just you're right, it doesn't feel 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:51.800 like it. And I don't know if we were just 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:57.160 over dissecting clips, you Cinciriani like the was it the. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.560 U the d lion coach, the line coach. He was like, hey, no, 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.120 big Dom gets himself in back there, like it's a 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.520 security is always finding Yeah, it's just always finding a 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:06.879 moment to get in that camera angle. 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.439 It's a while, it's it's a wild situation. Hopefully they 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.280 can just hold it together for another month and a half. 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.800 Yeah, because they have a they have a Jalen Carter 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:20.159 out there just yeah popping dudes mid play said that, 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.720 I mean I'd be dead with that hit to the head. Wait, 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.840 what is this Jaylen Carter when he's in the middle 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.440 of play, rushing the passer and he just fucking pops? 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:35.320 Who was it? No, it wasn't talking about Miles Garrett. 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.640 You almost played they played the Steelers, Your Eagles played 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:41.200 the Steelers. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:49.320 Just popped up with Miles Garrett yeah, yeahs off lineman. 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.159 Miles Garrett is an edgdresher for the Cleveland Brown. Yes, 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.800 she has nothing to do with this topic. That is right, 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.920 and I'm gonna walk in on the Yeah. 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.080 You're right, you're a little off to that. You said it. 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.280 I'll lock in with the Lucy one day, locking with 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:03.720 a Lucy. 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:05.639 Get diald in, diald in. 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.119 Miles Garrett did rip his helmet off in a like 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:09.040 really weird play. 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:11.320 Yeah, he got injured. 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.280 But that's different than what you guys that were. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.320 Talking about, right, JHN Carter's out the assaulting dudes mid 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.360 play on the field, which again that that violent team 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.199 of the Eagles. I low key love to see it. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.800 Do they have the best vibe right now with everyone 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.720 doing the celebration after every good play, even wide receivers 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:33.480 getting up, Yeah, first down couper Dijon Cooper. 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.119 I don't know what it is to look it up. 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.560 I might be too occasion to understand that, but that 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:39.560 is kind of a nice thing. 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.160 Yeah, let's hope that team has that vibe and continuity going. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.280 Because you think about the Eagles, you think Kelsey, Kelsey 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.159 retires huge leadership. Then on the other side of the ball. 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.359 You have Brandon Graham who comes back for his fifteenth season. 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.480 You think he's going to retire. He ends up tearing 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.960 a peck he he he sustains an injury. Maybe it 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:57.920 is a tricp or something. It was upper body injury. 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.800 So now you have two major leaders in the Eagles 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:02.640 organizations that are now now you think these are gonna 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.719 fall apart. And now the Eagles have the best win 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.240 streak record of their entire franchise, ten wins in a row, 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.320 Like they should be thinking to themselves, boys, we can 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.280 go win it all. We should have vibes up here 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:15.680 and it might be that way. 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:19.080 It might be we think that way. It's just funny 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.320 anytime you see a Syrian because I'm just thinking, man, 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.359 this is the head coach, and it's like they're always 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.320 just patting him on the head, like hey, relax, relax. 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:27.680 God do you imagine if got padded like that? 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:32.080 Oh? I mean that's the thing though, like the Rabel 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:35.440 ain't getting treated like again. I don't want to say 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:37.720 too much because Sirianna can be a great he could, 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:38.760 he could be a great guy. 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:41.960 The show could be absolutely love to have him on 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:42.320 the show. 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:42.719 Someday. 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:46.000 Yeah, talk about it. Hey, are you respected? Yeah, that's 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:46.760 that's the question. 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:47.400 Yeah. 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.800 But the NFC is the most interesting playoff picture there 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.640 is because with the AFC, it's like you just got 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:54.960 to think the Chiefs are gonna do it again. 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:59.520 No, yeah, Bills are the team. 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.440 If if the Bills would have just lost the regular 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.199 season game against the Chiefs, I would agree with you. 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.040 Do you think the Bills are wop the Chiefs? I 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.400 think so too. It's like if you watch the Chiefs Browns, 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.199 even the moments that the Chiefs have the opportunity to 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.480 step on their throat and really just outscore, they haven't 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.680 scored over over thirty points the entire year, over thirty points. 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:21.800 That's that correct. The Bills have scored thirty points in 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:26.200 like six straight and they beat the Chiefs. Yeah. Yeah, 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:29.879 I'm just the opportunity to step on a team like 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.879 the Browns throat. They fail to do. So they do 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.920 win twenty one to seven, But there's just something about 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:39.000 the Chiefs. Just don't think they do it this year. 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.359 Man, Just when's he gonna learn? Just win? Is he 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:44.399 gonna learn? I do love the Bills. I love Josh Allen. 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.160 I love the way that team's operating. The hype video 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.160 from Detroit, Detroit versus the Bills. You see ahih video 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:52.720 on Twitter. It was like a back and forth about 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:53.680 two cities. 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:56.840 And the teams talking, yeah, campbelling, and it just it 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:57.920 just fires you up. 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.399 Yeah, because there's not a lot going up there. Buffalo 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.320 was there for a wedding back in twenty twenty fifteen. 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:04.480 Not a lot going. 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:06.200 They got the bills, That's what they got. 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:10.919 They got the bills with cheese, which is disgusting. But 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.960 in the uh, in the Eagles game, to t J Watt, 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:15.640 do we know how bad that injury is with him? 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.840 It looks like a foot right, you lose t J Watt, 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:22.080 it is over for the Steelers, you. 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:26.720 Do is he is so? He is so incredible. 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.679 You know that entire game He's sitting next to fucking 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:34.720 Max too. God, he was ready to kill somebody. But 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.320 NFC West, t J. 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.480 Watt's injury not long term, probably good for the playoffs 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.200 at least. Yeah, I mean he's he's He's a Watt dude. 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:50.200 He'll be back. He'll have the dear Antler spray, He'll 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:52.320 have all the things he needs to get done. To 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:56.119 get back on whatever it takes, whatever it takes legally, legally, 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:57.840 it never got popped for a drug test like me. 0:21:58.040 --> 0:21:59.440 They he will be back on the field. 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:00.439 He'll be smart about it. 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:03.080 Yeah, he'll have that BPC whatever, the new version of 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.560 BPC one. Yeah, I think that they done. You're talking about. 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:10.160 AFC West, the NFC West, NFC West once again wide open. 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.600 Seahawks had a big opportunity to beat the Packers and 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:16.600 remain the top dog there and again the Cardinals win 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:20.040 against the Patriots. That like that division between the Rams, 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:24.439 the Cardinals, the forty nine Ers, and the Seahawks is 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.159 wide open, and I have no clue who's gonna come 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.280 out on top. I really don't. 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.200 Yeah, it's it's sad, but I think the forty nine 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:33.760 Ers are not the team that's gonna come out on 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:34.199 top of that. 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:36.199 You say that, but you just never fucking know. 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:36.840 You never know. 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:42.119 I think is the Rams or the Seahawks. But again 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:44.919 with the Niners, you never know because that staff, they 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:46.920 they still got the guys every by something about they're 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:49.040 injured or this or that, like they could just for 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:50.679 whatever reason come alive. 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.800 Yeah, basically, the Niners have to win the last three 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:56.240 games of the season just to make it in. And 0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:59.280 they do the linebacker saying he's not gonna play. What's 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.840 the kid's name? I say, his kid like a kid, 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:04.639 like he's like not three years younger than me, but 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.560 like that. That is insane to say you're not going 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:10.280 to play football game acainst your feelings are hurt. 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:13.879 Have you ever heard of that? No? I haven't. 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:15.760 No, you've heard about guys going in the locker room 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:17.719 at halftime. They're twelve year vets. They say, hey, it's 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:20.199 not in I don't have it anymore. To me, it's like, hey, 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:21.960 you just play the last thirty minutes and then retire 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:24.719 after the game. But to say you're just not going 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:28.159 to play a game because Greenlaw comes back from an 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.359 achilles injury, he's just staying in the Super Bowl, and they, hey, 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:31.600 we gotta get this guy back on the field. We're 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:33.440 gonna get him reps. He's a starter, he's a Pro Bowl, 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:35.880 All Pro type of guy. And then you take him 0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:38.200 out and then you're like, hey, third quarter, guys are injured, 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:40.960 we need you in. There is a team sport, and 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:42.520 now you had to because he decides that to play 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:44.960 you gotta you had a linebacker there hobbling around, right, 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:46.600 and that's just crazy. 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.280 And it's just not understood. And who knows if there 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:50.200 was drama going on before the game started with their 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:54.280 situation inside the linebacker room, but again and not being 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:56.600 understood before he even straps up like he's dressed to 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.200 go play. It's like, yo, if you're you're the team 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.800 needs you. Yeah, And what sucks is Devandre. He's a 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:05.679 good linebacker, like he's a good sturdy linebacker. And again 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.479 the ego is the enemy man whatever he's feeling in 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:12.240 his situation, because look, it's like even if they're going 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:14.159 with green Law and you've had a heavy yer or 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:17.080 you've had a good resume like playing like everybody knows 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:19.399 you can play good, you can play well. You know 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:21.360 that you can play well. And so if they're going 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:24.040 with green Law, you're in a situation where, okay, yeah, 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:26.040 you might be the backup right now, but you never 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:28.680 know when your opportunity comes. Like again Greenlaw, green Law. 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:30.440 He's just come back from an achilles, he needed to 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:33.120 be tapped out and somebody in Devondre to come in 0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:36.280 to substitute for him, and he just decides not to play. 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:38.920 It's like, no matter what, you have the opportunity there 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:43.600 to Again, you're proving everybody that they're right for thinking that. 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.119 You know, this could be toxic. I'm putting you as 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.600 a backup, you know what I mean, versus coming in 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.680 and playing and knowing that you are still a good 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:54.520 quality linebacker. They're just the future is with green Law 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:55.880 and I don't know if he's on a one year 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:57.720 deal to year deal, and again, Devandre, he could be 0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:00.119 thinking I'm paid. He's made like forty million dollars. He 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:02.399 doesn't need it, and he's good with his decision. But 0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:05.080 ultimately it's like, Bro, you're resumeing your reputation on being 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.560 a good linebacker. It's now tarnished because you walk out 0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:09.840 on your team. And I get, it's a business. There's 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:12.840 all these angles going on, everybody thinking of their own 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:15.879 individual story and their own individual business going on. But 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:17.040 you are in a team game. 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.520 That team there's a main story, and there's a bunch 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:21.640 of micro stories and those micro stories or the individual 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.160 story that you're playing out yourself. When he is out 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:25.800 of the league ten years from now and he's sitting 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:27.200 at his house, I'm sure he's made all the money 0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:29.199 in the world. He's going to sit back and think 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:31.400 about this moment, and if he thought about it without 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:33.439 any bias towards himself, he's going to know that he 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.240 made a mistake. Because it's just like you're saying, if 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:38.159 it's a team sport and they pull you out, you 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:39.960 have every right for your feelings to be hurt. You 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:41.560 have every right to be like, bro, I've been playing well, 0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:43.560 I should be able to still play. But if you 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:46.240 are asked to go back in the game after somebody's 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:48.800 sustained injury and you say no, you're now being a 0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:50.600 bad teammates the guy who's hurt because now he's got 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:53.080 a hobble around out there, you're hurting his money because 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:55.760 he's putting bad film out there, and you're taking away 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:57.960 opportunities from yourself. Like you just said, like when he 0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:01.040 goes obviously, if he's that upset where he's not going 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:02.679 to play, Let's say he goes in place you know 0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:05.000 there's an issue. The rest of the year. Season's almost over. 0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:06.840 When he's done, he can go to a new team, 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:11.040 and there's no forward facing media coverage of a guy 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:13.120 who decided not to play a football game where other 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:15.840 thirty one other teams are gonna look at you and say, well, 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:17.800 let's use not a team guy when the shit gets hard, 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:20.600 when the shit gets tough, we're not gonna put him 0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:22.359 in or he's not gonna be a guy we can 0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:26.320 depend on. And that's that's the bummers, because he made 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:29.720 a quick decision on something that is going to hurt 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:31.640 the rest of his NFL career, doesn't matter how long 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:33.399 it is, and eventually will become a regret that he 0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.840 has because it's not dude, the NFL, like we talk 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:38.840 about it, how zoomed in players can be. Now zoomed 0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:41.040 in You and I were, and then you eventually get 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:42.960 out and you're realize how all the things that seem 0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:45.399 so big really aren't that big. This is one of 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:47.040 those moments where it seems to get such a big 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.359 deal and you feel disrespected as a man. You just 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:51.920 go out there and play. It's going to fix itself. 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:55.200 You play good ball, it fixes itself. That's the frustrating part. 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:56.040 I feel bad for him. 0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:59.399 It's like ultimately your feeding the bad wolf. Yeah, the 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:01.680 story the good the bad wolf on your shoulders, and 0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:05.080 he made a selfish decision, and again it's like we 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:09.000 can talk about football, but everybody, it's like everybody zoomed 0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.120 in on their own situation. No matter what, you can't 0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:14.160 control certain things like outside of yourself, like you can't 0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:15.760 help that the coaches want to go with green Law 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.320 over you. What you can control. What you can help 0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:20.600 is your attitude and effort every day coming in to 0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:22.199 know like, all right, I'm gonna be the backup here. 0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:24.399 I'm gonna be the best fucking backup in the league 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:28.080 until my time comes again. Because no matter what, you've 0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:31.040 put together a great resume and you're tarnishing it because 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:33.440 you're so caught up in your own story that you're 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:36.800 pissed off because people outside of your controller making the 0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:39.560 decision that we're gonna go with green Law. Where it's like, again, 0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:41.560 if you just put your put your head down and 0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.199 be like you have to accept the reality of your 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:47.240 current situation and fucking be ready to go because your 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:48.960 number is gonna get called again in this league. Like 0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:52.120 one thing we do know, the NFL one injury rate 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.040 green Law needed to tap, your opportunity would have still 0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:57.879 been there to go back in and you just you 0:27:57.920 --> 0:27:59.679 never know. I hate to see it. I hate the 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:01.960 bad teammate stuff, I hate the ego, I hate the 0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:04.800 selfish bullshit like I'm just not about it. I'm just 0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:05.359 not about it. 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.600 To me, it's even simpler of it's your job, like 0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:10.679 you you're paid to do this and if you're healthy, 0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:13.120 you have to do it. In the real person world, 0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:16.800 it's like you can't show up and they actually think 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.720 them out and then get it's like taking the if 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:22.920 he doesn't love football like some of the guys do, 0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.920 taking the chaining Crowder outlook on it like, yeah, it's 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.400 like working at Walgreens. I show up, I do my job, 0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:31.919 I leave, and then that's it. And it's like I 0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:34.000 feel like that has gotten lost in a lot of 0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:34.879 pro sports leaders. 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:37.240 Just looking from that angle too, it's like you're you're 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:40.040 getting paid to sit, You're getting paid to wear a 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:45.600 uniform that get to wear, Like that's that's crazy. You 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:46.760 just got to be able to zoom out. 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:46.960 Man. 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.240 This is a perfect data read for will Compton to read. 0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:55.640 It's the most wonderful time of the year for getting 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.479 in on all the hoops, football and hockey action at 0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:01.480 the DraftKings Sportsbook in the season of giving We're being 0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:05.280 gifted college football and basketball, Pro football and basketball and 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:08.400 pro hockey to almost twenty four to seven. 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Because I'm getting worked 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:42.800 up over that devondree? 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:45.040 Yeah, Like, what do you do in that situation? 0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.360 I'm playing? Like, if I think back on any of 0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:52.600 my own experiences, here's a situation in twenty seventeen where 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:54.600 I was pissed when we ended up getting and I've 0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:56.800 told this story before, where we get Zach Brown, All 0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:00.360 Pro Bowl linebacker. He becomes a starter. Whether I think 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.960 it's political, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, 0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:05.320 he was the starter. So the entire year, I'm a backup. 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.760 We had a third string guy, Martrell Spate, who's supposed 0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.880 to be the third string, and when Mason Foster or 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.880 Zach Brown would be injured, we would go in the supplement. 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:18.120 And when Mason Foster went on IR for the rest 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:19.400 of the year is like the middle of the year, 0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:22.560 back third of the year. I'm thinking to myself, I'm 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.840 going to be the Mike backer with the green dot 0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:27.400 and everything else. Well, I come to learn on the 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:30.080 week of the game that we're playing against the Cowboys 0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:34.040 that I'm splitting time with Spate, who's supposed to be 0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:35.959 my backup, right like in my own story, in my 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.720 own movie. And I'm pissed off because they're only giving 0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.640 me base reps, which you know, twelve person or twenty 0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:44.080 one personnel teams don't do it a whole lot in 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.160 this game unless you're playing the lines like Dallas did 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:48.520 it that week. There's going to be about fifteen snaps 0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:50.880 that I got to play bass. The majority of the 0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.960 snaps are in your Nickel package Nickel dime, and Spate 0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:55.680 was going to be the guy. Spate was going to 0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:58.200 be the guy with either the green dot or Zach 0:30:58.240 --> 0:30:59.440 Brown was. I forget what it was. 0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:01.200 I remember definitely not the guy who in. 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:04.520 It, but I remember being so pissed off, like going 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:06.520 to the linebacker. I go to talk to Coach Ko 0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:09.080 about it, and I'm like fuming. I'm mad that I'm 0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:11.640 finding out in a special teams meeting that like, hey, Will, 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:13.360 You're gonna be all on all four. I think they're 0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:15.480 gonna be wrong with Spate. And I'm thinking to myself, like, 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:17.440 why am I finding out right now in a special 0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:18.840 teams meeting? Then I'm not going to be the guy 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:22.160 get the reps. And again I was tight and I 0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.880 was bitter about it. And when I went home that 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:26.880 day because I went out to practice, Coach Grud's trying 0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:28.600 to talk to me about it, and everybody's trying to 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.840 talk to him about because I'm being a bitch in 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:34.200 this situation, I'm being very salty about it. And when 0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:36.240 I go home, I'm like thinking to myself, like, hey, 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:40.240 if I don't prepare and go all in on these 0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:43.200 base reps, however many reps I do get and I 0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:45.720 happen to play badly, all I'm going to be telling 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:48.560 the staff and everybody else is that I'm proving them 0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.480 right for going with Spate, Like Spate's going to be 0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:52.480 the guy, and then if I play poorly in my 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:54.960 base reps, like he'll take over the entire spot. But 0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.280 if I don't go out and do everything I can 0:31:57.360 --> 0:31:59.320 to control my situation, which I was going to be 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:02.200 the starting backer in the base package, and if I 0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:04.240 play well, then hopefully I can just build on it 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:07.160 from there. Played well in that Dallas game, and the 0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:11.000 next week we're playing the Vikings, get a phone call, Hey, 0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:12.960 you got the keys, you're rolling with the green dot, 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:14.640 You're taking over for all of it. 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:15.120 Yeah. 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:18.320 So that's an experience I think about when I think 0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:21.560 about this Devondre Campbell is because again, it's like you 0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:23.280 can piss him on all you want, but the moment 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:24.840 you go out there, you quit on your team or 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.520 you play poorly, you're just proving everybody else right that 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:29.440 they made the right that they made the right call 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:31.840 to go with a guy who's itching the comeback, ready 0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:33.840 to come back, who's rady to sacrifice for the team 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:35.800 and to make a run for the playoffs. When you're 0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:37.600 kind of just fucking quitting on everybody, right. 0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:39.560 Shows how much you cared about the team. I had 0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:43.800 a situation it was like twenty nineteen, no, twenty eighteen. 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:45.800 I think we're playing the Saints, and it was like 0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:48.120 the second to last game of the year. Saints are 0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:49.840 an NFC team, and then last game of the year 0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:51.360 I think was the Texans, and we were in this 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.880 situation where, for whatever reason, that game didn't matter from 0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:56.920 like a record standpoint, it wasn't going to affect our 0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:00.280 seating going into the playoffs, but the next game did, 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:04.080 so I think Tannehill got like half the snaps, Derek 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.040 got like didn't play any of the snaps, and there's 0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:07.800 a bunch of players that are getting rested for the 0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:11.200 next week. And I found myself sitting there like I 0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:13.240 played every single snap of that game, or I wasn't 0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:14.680 even told that I was getting a break and I 0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:16.720 was finding out before where it felt like a preseason 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:19.320 game where like guys are like, hey, Derek, you're sitting 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:21.080 this guy's doing this and he is doing that, And 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:25.040 I felt like upset about it because I was like why, why, 0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:27.800 why didn't I get I decided this contract you get 0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:30.760 into a mode of just like thinking selfishly about yourself, 0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:32.640 and then you see everybody else around you kind of 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.280 getting this like, you know, this stressful time of year 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:36.640 when you want to have a little bit of a 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:38.920 break too, if you're if you're afforded the opportunity, which 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:41.040 we were at that point, you want to have the break. 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:43.160 And then you see a couple other guys. But at 0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:44.240 the end of the day, I went out and played 0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:46.560 every snap, like you gotta go and do those things. 0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:47.920 And yeah, it took a series or two because I 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:50.080 found out like ninety minutes before the game. So I 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:51.640 have a little come to Jesus talking with myself in 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.479 the bathroom. Listen, no one's coming to save you. You 0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:59.320 gotta situation, embrace the situation. And it's because the thing 0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.800 it's easy to say on a microphone after everything's over 0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:04.840 and be able to talk and be like this is 0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.760 how everybody should operate and act. But we just show 0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:10.439 two examples of like as a player, you easily find 0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:13.839 yourself falling into feeding the bad wolf. We were like, well, 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:15.440 people are getting X, Y and Z, why aren't I 0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:17.279 getting that? You're like the comparison is a thief of 0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:20.359 joy and so now it goes back to what JP 0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:22.719 was just saying and shanding. Crowder said, you're just it's 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.080 your job, like if they're you're told to do something, 0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.319 you just go and do it. You're getting paid a 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.239 crazy amount of money to go play a sport. So 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.120 I think the soapboxes. We were good on the soapbox. Yeah, yeah, 0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:35.080 but it's just wild man. 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.080 All right? Should we hit who's over there with them? 0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:42.480 Do we have somebody over there with them so you 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:46.000 can finish out this intro? J Rod and Coop? 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:49.920 Okay, let's do Yeah, JP, want't you go over there? 0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:53.160 Since the ties, Let's hit these ads real quick. 0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.719 Huh yeah, I just. 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:03.600 Want to text me or what do you want to do? 0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:05.200 You want to just you do a little shoutout, no 0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:07.440 free shout out. I can, I canploy a little bit 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:09.600 of our I I do have a shout out, no 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:10.080 free shot out. 0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:10.720 I do as well. 0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:14.560 And it's the syringe for medicine for little kids. Rue 0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:16.880 was sick over the weekend and it was a battle 0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.200 getting medicine down. She never wanted to do it and 0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:24.200 ultimately got to the point to where I'm pissed off 0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.839 and I'm like, hey, I'm gonna hold you down if 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:29.840 you don't take this medicine. I'm talking, I'm trying to 0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:31.560 give her. We're trying to give her cookies. We're trying 0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:33.160 to talk about cookies and I we're trying to talk 0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:35.040 about all these things to get her like, hey, just 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:37.160 do this. We'll throw a little bear, We'll throw on 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:39.200 all your favorite things. We need you to take medicine 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:41.239 because sweetheart, you have a fever and we have to 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.040 get this. Medicine is going down one way or another. 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:44.680 You can do it willingly, Yeah. 0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:45.759 Do the easy way, to do the hard ways. 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And ultimately I'm I'm having hold her 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:52.960 arms and screaming. Yeah. And so I wrote that tweet. 0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:54.880 I feel like I'm like waterboarding my daughter and you 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.600 feel bad. So she's like and then you kind of 0:35:57.719 --> 0:35:59.040 you kind of look over and you start kind of 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.000 like you start chuckling in a little bit because he 0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:02.200 just realizes. 0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:02.919 And it tastes good. 0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:04.880 That's a crazy thing. I'm like this, I'm like, heydad 0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:06.120 is gonna tast something too, And I'm like, oh, these 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:09.959 tastes like sweet, yeah, this this tastes fine, like rude, 0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:11.040 Just take the medicine. 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:12.719 It's like getting a dog medicine. Dude. You shay like 0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:14.279 ground by the mouth real quick, shove in the back 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:15.799 of their throat and like close their mouth and blow 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:16.200 on their nose. 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:17.719 And this all my pushing too, urs. She's kind of 0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:19.640 choking a little bit, like listen, all right, here, takes 0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:22.480 some water, all right? Round two? Right, yeah, yeah, just 0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:23.880 a little bit like a little. 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:25.560 Four six hours. We got to reboot this thing and 0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:26.160 get it done. 0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:26.680 Dude. 0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:28.640 How about kids when they're flailing and it's kind of 0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:30.600 like if you really thought about it, you're thinking yourself, 0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.440 you're doing everything you can to get out of this, 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:34.799 and it's not even hard for me. 0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:38.359 Yeah, little kids are man, I know. 0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:41.000 And also, dude, my children when they throw temper tantrums, 0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:43.839 they always have a way of finding my testicles. They 0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:46.640 always figure out how to fucking flail those feet, dude, 0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.600 and they're just fucking hitting those things every time. My 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:51.839 four year olds just tripping about something the other day 0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:54.080 and I like picked up like sweetie, relaxed, like no 0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.279 legs start going crazy. She was like put a little 0:36:57.560 --> 0:36:59.279 like body bag to things for a minute. I'm like, 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.480 how the fuck, how do you hit that. 0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:04.719 It is funny how upset they getting it internally like 0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:06.760 pisses you off and away. You're like, all right, we're 0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:08.600 about to find out. You're about to really find out 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:11.640 about your dad and his ship. And I'm thinking I 0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:15.640 am a psycho for thinking this way, dude. Yeah, two 0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:18.759 years old. I'm like, all right, all right, you're testing me. 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:20.200 You want to go? You want to shout at the 0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:20.919 title right now? 0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:22.759 A little early to make that call, but I guess 0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:26.080 I'll I'll let you have one. Yeah, yeah, dude, the 0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:28.359 message shout out the syringes. So what is a good thing? 0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.160 Yeah, there's the ones where you can like, uh, you 0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:33.160 can pull it up and just having a syringe so 0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:34.640 that way you're not like trying to get them to 0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:36.759 take it from a spoon or have him drink it. 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:39.120 You just get to be fauzzle, like bite their teeth 0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:42.320 and not try to not let you execute it whatsoever. 0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:45.080 I'm like holding her, holding her jaw and cheek, and 0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:48.160 I'm like, all right, here we go, and you feel terrible. 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:50.080 It hurts you way worse than it hurts them. Yeah. 0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.360 After after all done, they kind of like relax, like 0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:54.160 eating some cheerios, watching a show or something like that, 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:55.560 and you walk up, You're like, hey, you want to 0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:58.200 talk about what happened out there, but they've completely moved on, 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:00.560 like and then I'm like. 0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.840 You did it, you did it. Yeah, yeah, you did it. 0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:06.160 Here's some water that is awesome. My shadow in her 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:11.160 free shout out goes to Christmas Magic. And my wife 0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:13.440 started a tradition. It is such a pain in the 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:16.200 ass that she started this tradition, but she does these 0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:18.600 things the first December all the way to Christmas. She 0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:20.319 has this thing called Christmas Magic, and she bought this 0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:23.239 little like house type of thing and it has these 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:25.880 little drawers that has twenty five little drawers. 0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:28.640 And yeah, yeah. 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:32.560 You kind of like that. And she tailor handwrites riddles 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:35.480 and ties a bow on them and when she puts 0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:38.280 it in there, the light turns on of the little house, 0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:40.359 so the kids know that the Christmas Magic is here. 0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:42.319 And it can be a whole bunch of different things, 0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:46.000 like it was making ornaments one day, it was finding 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:48.319 a bunch of toys you don't use anymore, We're gonna 0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.760 go donate it to kids that can't have toys. And uh, 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:56.640 the one yesterday was just getting getting the pj's whole 0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:58.840 fame in the car, we all got te's and just 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.600 go look at Christmas lights. Call a buddy who does lights. 0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:03.839 I'm like, hey, what's the best place in town? We 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:05.560 go to this dated community. We tell them we're so 0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:08.239 and so we dive into there we go and just 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:11.440 it's so funny how kids attention spans work. Because they're 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:13.600 having such a great time in the moment where the 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:16.880 lights are being seen, but traveling the ten minutes to 0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:19.759 go see the lights. It's on bored. I want this song? 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:21.719 Can we have a Christmas story? Not a Christmas song? 0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:23.759 And fighting about what Christmas song it is? And then 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:25.520 all of a sudden it's like ten fifteen seconds of 0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:27.800 pure joy and bliss. Yeah, well, the those lights, what 0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:30.080 about those? I'm thinking notes for myself. I'm thinking myself, 0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:31.760 I gotta up my game. I'm seeing something. These houses 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:34.319 out here. I'm thinking, I got to figure out how 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.600 have a Grizzwold type of Christmas? The Grizzwolds. 0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.400 Yeah, what's the movie? 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:40.200 I'm asking you? 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:41.240 The Christmas vacation? 0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:41.960 That is correct? 0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:42.120 Sir? 0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:44.279 Nice get pulled, good, pull, I get worried about you. 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:45.640 And it comes to the movie. I know I worried 0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:46.680 about myself. 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:49.759 But uh yeah, dude, Christmas magic. She literally handwrites these 0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:53.600 riddles and just total all time. Mom move. These kids 0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:55.000 are going to grow up and they love it. And 0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:56.399 my daughter, my seven year old win. 0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:57.480 She is like. 0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:00.600 Full full Santa mode right now. She's fully in to 0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:03.879 the belief, all of it so much so to why 0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:05.920 I'm getting to the point I'm like, I felt so guilty. 0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:07.680 I'm kind of just lying her. You need me to 0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:08.200 make a call. 0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:10.520 No, you will never get that call again. 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:12.640 Hey, don't win the bat or you will not get 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:16.360 Christmas presents. 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:17.239 Dude. 0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:19.640 That was when are you gonna be a good little girl? Now? 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:22.399 No more pe in the bed? Or Santa will not come? 0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:25.440 Is he really not gonna come? 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:25.880 No? 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:27.960 No, no, he's he's Sata was telling a joke. I 0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:28.880 was thinking of myself, a. 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.040 Bed, go to bed? Will? What the fuck was that? 0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:33.279 Don't you want to stop missing the bed? 0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:33.600 Dude? 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.040 That was so funny? How old is ru? 0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:36.239 Then? 0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:37.839 That was was that last year? Two years ago? 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:40.680 That was like two years ago before? 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:42.640 Yeah, right before? 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:44.719 We don't yeah we did, yeah, we didn't have one yet. 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:46.680 God, I would love to hear Will do that call now, 0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:48.680 because you know, Will would be like, hi, sweetie, how 0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:51.080 are you like just understand You're like, hey, I'm not 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:53.520 in the middle hole for it. No, it was just 0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:57.000 like fucking playing yay, don't do that ship that You're 0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:57.680 not gonna get anything. 0:40:57.920 --> 0:40:59.280 I've been pee in the bed, dude. 0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:01.640 Did you how about the video I sent you a win. 0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:04.399 Yeah, it's a funny video, dude. 0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:07.319 I gotta show you guys this video. So when done 0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:09.520 this new thing where she like spies on me and 0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:12.759 my wife? And I said something because I said something 0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:14.640 the other day man, while I was walking and I 0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:17.480 was like, fucking something, and she's like, Dad, why are 0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:21.360 you always saying fucking and like perfect pronunciation exactly the 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:23.640 way I say it, And dude, my wife and I 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:26.480 I just trying not to laugh at this thing. I 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:29.480 was like, oh, no, we're talking about ducks. Mom was like, yeah, 0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:33.040 Daddy really loves ducks. And she's like she's like, uh, 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.680 my tailoring's like use an example of how Daddy uses that. 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:38.520 She goes it's like, let's say there's a girl over there, 0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:40.840 and it will be like that fucking girl or she 0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:42.560 points to here, like one time there was like this 0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:43.840 fucking tattoo. 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:45.799 And then you hear you hear tailing going into let's 0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:47.759 get more information. She's like, well, how how long you've 0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:52.200 been hearing that? She's like like three years from dad. 0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:55.040 Hey. The wild thing too, is is when she said 0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:58.160 to Dad, I just pointed out tailing, hoping my point 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.560 might have enough energy to take her over to tailor 0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:04.359 to like take over that. But yeah, dude, she didn't 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:06.560 say it though. Like we had the little moment. 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.799 She said to y'all, I've been hearing this word. I've 0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:11.480 been hearing this word for three years now. 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:14.279 Yeah, dude, I was how long you've been hearing that? 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:15.360 Like three years? 0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:18.279 Bro? And I just literally I was like video. I 0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:20.160 was like videotaping it and I had to send it 0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:21.879 to Will and He's just sending like a bunch of hogs. 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:23.319 I'm thinking of myself. Am I bad? 0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:26.719 Dad? Not of those moments you're like, damn kids, hear everything, bro, 0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:28.920 everything everything. 0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:31.400 That did unlock a memory of I remember, like spying 0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:36.319 on my parents from other rooms. Yeah, I truly remember that, 0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:37.600 like sitting like you go to. 0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:39.359 Bed, they're up in the living room talking. You want 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:41.080 to know all the conversations, all the conversations. 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:43.239 You can't even hear it sometimes, but you're just like 0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:45.560 sitting there and you're watching them interact and then they're like. 0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:48.960 A hear him talking about you, Oh yeah in school 0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:49.600 or something. 0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:53.760 Oh yeah, bro, breaking news. 0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:57.880 David Montgomery out and definitely mcl injury. Probably done for 0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:01.360 the whole school. 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You would have thought he 0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:04.840 knew the twisted question before we even get into him 0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:07.600 him just his voice to hearing on Monday Night football 0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:10.360 for nine years and having him call a couple of 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:13.960 your games and like being excited that he's just a legend. 0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:15.840 And seeing that look in his eye. We just know 0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:18.120 he's passionate about football. He just loves it. 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:18.319 Man. 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:22.400 It's between a stroke and like a one sixty bpm 0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:25.160 you know what I'm saying? Oh yeah, it's beautiful. He's 0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:27.200 always teetering like is it too much coffee? Is a 0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:29.160 little something extra? What is it? But it's really just 0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:32.120 the game. Yeah, Well let me tell you something. 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:32.680 Yeah. Yeah. 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:36.040 And the way he talks to good coach, what. 0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:37.400 Do you say talking about throwing the ball out of 0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:39.680 the end zone on a hell Mary, Yeah, guys are 0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:41.680 worried about you don't guys, what do you think it is? 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:44.040 I don't know, coach, that's what. 0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:45.520 Like the head coach calls on you in a meeting 0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:48.280 and you just for whatever, Yeah, your buttthole or no clue, 0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.480 no clue. You guys are gonna love this episode. 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:51.800 Look at that answer episode. 0:45:51.920 --> 0:45:54.600 Make sure you are commenting and again subscribe to the Boys. 0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:58.120 Subscribe to the Boys. Here is coach John Gruden. 0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:00.640 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode US with was 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:04.680 very special guest with us. Today, we have a legend 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:09.839 of Clay High School, a legend of Dayton Dayton College quarterback. 0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:15.680 We have a super Bowl winning coach, mister John Jrudin. Hey, brother, 0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:18.480 we are excited to have you on. 0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:18.919 Man. 0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:20.759 Obviously we just had you in the locker room. That 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:23.879 show has already come out. But your passion, your love 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:26.640 for football, and you never know some of these personalities 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:30.080 you see. I remember watching you with like the draft experience, 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:32.239 and watching you get up with players and having quarterbacks 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:34.120 talk about it, and you got that look in your 0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:36.600 eyes like you do right now having them draw things up. 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:40.200 But you truly, you truly love, eat, and breathe football. 0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:41.600 Where did that passion start? 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:42.160 Yeah? 0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:42.440 I do. 0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:44.719 That's why I love being here with you guys. My 0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:47.640 dad was a coach. My dad coached at Indiana, he 0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:50.120 coached at Notre Dane, he coached with the Buccaneers. So 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:52.640 I kind of grew up going to the locker rooms 0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:56.240 idolizing players, wanting to be a coach. I played at Dayton, 0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:59.000 I wasn't very good. My high school is no longer around. 0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:01.279 They closed the door, so I don't have any I 0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:03.120 don't have any tapes to show you or approve what 0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:05.120 kind of player I was. But you know, when you 0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:06.719 grow up knowing what you want to do at a 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.680 young age and then you have an opportunity to get 0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:11.799 your foot in the door. It's just just been that 0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:12.760 way from the beginning. 0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:14.680 How much of a learning curve was it? Like getting 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:16.840 around your old man and when you were getting integrated 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:22.200 into coaching, just understanding the work that goes into coaching football, 0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:25.000 the sacrifice that goes into coaching football. Because it's like 0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:27.799 you said, there as players and I've always had aspirations 0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:30.480 of coaching, but coordinators, like coaches mine, would always say, hey, 0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:32.080 if you find something else to do, you might want 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:34.399 to look into that, because all the work you put 0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:36.319 in to be a player It's like, you know, it's 0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:38.920 tenfold when you're coaching, because you're there from start to finish, 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:39.720 all around the clock. 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:42.680 I mean, I was lucky because my dad knew people, 0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:45.560 and I was able to get started, probably ahead of 0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:48.680 some other guys would And I got started at Tennessee 0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:51.520 the Volunteers. They were in a sugar bowl. We beat 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:55.080 Venni Testaverdi. So I got around Walt Harris, a great 0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:58.160 offensive coach. And I was lucky, man, because when you're 0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:00.600 around people that know the game in side and out, 0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:02.440 that can set the tone and put you on a 0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:05.880 routine and you try to accumulate knowledge every day and 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:09.239 challenge you. That's just the environment I've always been in 0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:12.759 and one I've tried to create. So uh, anyways, it 0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:15.760 goes by fast. Look look at me now, I'm busting 0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:16.440 with the boys. 0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:21.040 Man, hit the big time. All your accomplishments has got 0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:25.319 to be top five when you UH coach for your 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.960 graduate assistant right for the Tennessee Volunteers. Do you hold 0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:30.239 any love for the Volunteers? 0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:30.359 Now? 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:32.240 Are you a fan of the balls? All the places 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:33.920 you coached at, do you like still hold it near? 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:34.239 Oh? 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:36.319 God, I love Tennessee. I met my wife there. My 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:37.560 wife cheered at Tennessee. 0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:39.160 I was a jeerleader. 0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:43.600 My wife was dating Johnny Major's son, Johnny Major's legendary 0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:47.440 coach at Tennessee. She's dating coach major son, and they 0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:49.880 broke up and I went in for the kill man. 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:54.880 But uh, I absolutely loved Knoxville, Tennessee. Love the volunteers. 0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:58.680 We have property up in the Smoky Mountains Severeville, near Dollywood, 0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:00.480 and we go back a lot. We just love it. 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:02.239 Who were in the playoffs too? 0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:04.880 Who are your college teams in Tennessee and Indiana? Are 0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:05.560 those of the well? 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:08.800 My dad coach at Indiana Notre Dame. I coached at Tennessee, 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:13.680 University of Pacific. Who dropped football now Southeast Missouri State, 0:49:13.800 --> 0:49:15.160 University of Pittsburgh. 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:17.399 You were at Simo Yeah one year? 0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:20.640 No shit, Cape Girardo Man, Yeah, bro. 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:23.399 I get a little nervous. I saw when I saw 0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:25.719 Dayton on the Wikipedia playing college football there, I was 0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:27.319 sticking them. I wonder if he has any love for 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:29.000 Ohio State. But it seems like you just stay in 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:30.120 the Indiana category. 0:49:30.160 --> 0:49:30.319 Home. 0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:33.120 Yeah, pretty much. I mean I loved my experience growing 0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:35.960 up in Ohio. My dad coached at Dayton, made a 0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:38.040 lot of connections there. What a staff he was on 0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:41.120 at Dayton. John McVay, who became the forty nine ers 0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:44.120 GM was the head coach. But most of my ties 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:47.239 or places i've coached, those are the things I can 0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:48.080 remember the most. 0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:50.719 Yeah, what is your What do you think about this 0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:52.840 barstool barstool media world? 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.160 Yeah, man, it's totally different. You know, I never had 0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:57.400 a Twitter page, I never had anything. I don't know 0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:00.239 anything about social media. I used to give everybody a 0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:03.840 hard time about doing it. Now I'm taking selfies, you know, 0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:06.520 with George Brett in the airport. I mean, it's it's 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:08.320 really awkward and different. 0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:10.680 It's a wild game. Even even when we finish the 0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:12.360 locker room, you're like, hey, put your helmet on, let 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:12.759 me yell at you. 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:14.320 Yeah, get cameras. 0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:16.200 It seems like you're diving in the game quickly. 0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:18.759 I'm trying. And I got some great guys, as you know, 0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:21.759 the guys that run the place, Dave Portnoy. These guys 0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:26.799 are interesting, man, They're really creative. To put it mildly, 0:50:27.160 --> 0:50:29.320 I got to go on the golfing thing with Frankie 0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:32.120 and Trent. We had some people come down of my 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:35.919 office last weekend and I'm I'm I'm anxious to see 0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:38.000 what is going to unfold, But I just want to 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:39.560 do good. I want to be part of the team 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:41.359 and try to find my role. 0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:44.520 You if you're not producing, so I said, I said. 0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:46.680 Give me, get me out of here. I got my 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:48.839 I got a couple of things I'm getting better at. 0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:52.399 And this is all part of the seasoning process. Hanging 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:54.880 around with you two guys. You know, I'll steal some 0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:57.160 ideas from you. This is a hell of a setup, man. 0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:01.640 It's it's about, you know, on the truth, having some fun, 0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:04.239 making some people laugh and making them think outside the 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:05.080 box a little bit. 0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:07.520 Yeah. Yeah, it's like getting to have this, like you know, 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:09.560 we were talking about it, either on the locker room 0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:11.960 or outside of it. What you miss the most is 0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:14.759 the camaraderie. You missed the locker room. Yeah, Unfortunately, we 0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:17.160 get to have people on like yourself, players that are 0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:19.640 currently playing ex players to where you still kind of 0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:22.200 get that feeling that ball busting and having fun having 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:24.960 some laughs because you do. You just you missed the 0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:26.399 locker room so much. 0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:29.239 When it's over, Oh, it's it's what you what you 0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:31.799 can't duplicate, but you guys are doing a pretty good 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:34.319 job of it, you know, just giving guys shit. That's 0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:36.759 what I tried to do every day. I tried to 0:51:36.800 --> 0:51:37.439 stir the pot. 0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:37.680 Man. 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:39.319 I'd come in there one day and try to make 0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:42.440 you guys laugh, and I'd go to any extreme measure 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:44.080 I had to go to make you laugh too, because 0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:46.680 sometimes you guys are grouchy bastards every day, no doubt, 0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:50.160 you know they need Yeah, you gotta make them laugh. 0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:51.680 And then the next day I might try to fire 0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:54.279 you up, Hey, lu let's you know, you know, and 0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:56.560 then the next day you might really try to piss 0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:58.920 them off, like I might really try to piss Will compident. 0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:00.600 So you got seven shapes of smoke. When you're coming 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:02.160 in to. 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:04.360 Get well, you just don't want to just install twenty 0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:08.359 two Hank and here's you know, here's eighteen Bob. After 0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:10.880 a while, you know, you get a little bit bored. 0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:13.840 You got to try to make it fun and you 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:16.719 try to stimulate your guys, and I think that's when 0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:17.600 they play their best. 0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:20.240 Who's the best pot starring coach you've been around? 0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:23.440 Ray Rhodes. Ray Rhodes was the head coach of the 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:25.759 Eagles when I was the offensive coordinator. He was a 0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:28.719 secondary coach of the forty nine ers when it all 0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:30.600 started for me. He had Ronnie Lott. He had a 0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:35.440 great group back there. He was a combination of Richard Pryor. 0:52:37.040 --> 0:52:40.239 He was a comedian and he was a great technician, 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:44.200 a great technical football guy. But he would create analogies. 0:52:44.760 --> 0:52:47.600 He would speak in analogies that were awesome, and he 0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:52.640 used those analogies in his teaching methods. Ray Rhodes was phenomenal. 0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:55.480 One of the great coaches I've ever been around. 0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:56.600 What about motivator? 0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:02.200 Yeah, motivation? Motivation. Uh, I'd be a hard one. I'd 0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:04.680 have to think about that for a minute. But I've 0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:07.000 been around some good ones. About you, who's the best 0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:08.120 motivator you've been around? 0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:12.040 But I mean, Bo Polini was a hell of a motivator, 0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:15.120 I bet dude. Honestly, Like I've told Taylor this, I 0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:16.480 don't know if I've said it on the bus, but 0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:20.239 you are a hell of a motivator. I mean when 0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:21.880 you're what was that When I came out there, it 0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:24.359 was like my seventh year and you're a veteran, You're 0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:26.759 coming out midyear, and usually like when you're a VET 0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:28.719 and you've you've had some years in the league, you've 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:31.399 heard everybody speak, you've heard all the speeches and everything else. 0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:33.840 But I remember you just had us after a practice 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:36.040 one day and it was getting my piss hot, and 0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:37.680 it was like one of those things. You're like, Yo, 0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:39.839 this is the fucking you hear all this stuff about 0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:41.600 John Gruden and everything else. Now I get to play 0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:45.280 for him, and you walk away from just that post 0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:48.880 meeting motivational Talkie gave, and it is It's one of 0:53:48.880 --> 0:53:50.719 those things because then coaches try to do it and 0:53:50.719 --> 0:53:52.600 it's like you understand what they're trying to do, but 0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:54.920 it's not like it's not getting you fired up or 0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:56.399 it's not making you think. You're like, oh, I wonder 0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:58.319 what I wonder what Taylor thought about this speech? You 0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:00.200 kind of go and laugh about it. But you were 0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:03.080 somebody that always felt like you had the right words, 0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:06.120 the right tone, the right time, And so I would say, 0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:10.320 I would say yourself, coach Vrabel, he can get going. Uh. 0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:13.080 Your brother was more of a matter of fact, yeah, 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:17.879 but expressing to you like the keys to the game. 0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:20.160 But in a way they were like fuck af we just. 0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:22.799 Do these three four things we're going to And the 0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:25.319 night before a game, when he'd start running a highlight table, 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:27.279 like you tell us they're talking about us this way, 0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:29.120 they're talking about us that way. Tell me we can't 0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:31.160 block on the edge, Tell me we can't make plays 0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:33.040 in space, tell me we're not You know all those 0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:35.160 different things they get that would get you fired up. 0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:37.040 Your brother, he was more of a he was more 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:37.719 of a comedian. 0:54:37.960 --> 0:54:38.240 Yeah. 0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:40.320 He would take some like rap lyrics or song lyrics 0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:42.640 and bring it out and we'd like have fun. Jay's awesome. 0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:45.040 You know a lot of times, let's the assistant coaches. 0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:47.239 I remember when I was in Tampa. We all know 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:50.520 Mike Tomlin now is the head coach. He's a great motivator. 0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:52.680 You should hear him in the room with his secondary guys. 0:54:52.680 --> 0:54:54.799 When I was coaching for the Bucks. He was a 0:54:54.800 --> 0:54:58.160 great motive. But Rond Barber, John Lynch, he had those 0:54:58.160 --> 0:55:02.279 guys frothing at the mouth. Rod Marinelli, our d line coach, Yeah, 0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:06.640 was phenomenal. Some of my really you know, bad words 0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:09.719 I learned I learned from Marinelli. Al Davis was a 0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:12.880 great motivator and he used any method to get you 0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:13.440 fired up. 0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:15.279 Massacia Casatia is good. 0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:18.320 I think you try to hire guys that can handle 0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:21.879 their players. I hate assistant coaches that come into your Hey, 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:25.680 we Taylor Duwan was three minutes late. Hey, Will Compton 0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:28.719 wasn't paying attention in the meeting room. We get them 0:55:28.719 --> 0:55:31.200 to pay attention. You know, that's your job, you know 0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:33.960 what I mean. I like coaches that can run the 0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:37.560 show and really get these guys charged up in their 0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:39.040 in their own individual worlds. 0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:41.080 Yeah, when it came to coaching and you're talking about 0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:42.680 like one day you would try to make guys laugh, 0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:46.399 then motivate, then piss them off. What like, how did 0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:48.680 you learn that I need to go about these different 0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:51.160 ways to motivate different players? Like, was that something you 0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:53.319 knew right away as a coach by watching your dad 0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:54.719 or is that something you gained over time? 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:57.120 Well, pretty much you're not when you're the head coach. 0:55:57.160 --> 0:56:00.640 You're not just motivating the left tackle going into a 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:03.840 team meeting to motivate the quarterback or the wide receiver. 0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:09.520 You're trying to get everybody on a common thread. Everybody's 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:13.239 got to see this together. And you know, I just 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:17.080 think the more camaraderie you can generate the better chance 0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:19.480 you have. It's a long season, and I think it's 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:22.879 it's important to laugh at each other, you know, get 0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:25.120 guys up there, have them talk for a minute or 0:56:25.160 --> 0:56:28.960 two balls, bust each other's balls, including your own. And 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:31.520 that worked for me for a while, but I think 0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:34.600 I pissed some people off, and unfortunately that's the way 0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:35.240 it goes. 0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:40.279 When now talk about talk about you pivoting throughout your 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:42.080 career because the game is a lot different now you're 0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:44.359 busting our balls. You guys are much more sensitive these days. 0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:46.680 We had we had Mike Alstott on the bus and 0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:49.480 he's talking about how soft the league is now, Like, 0:56:49.560 --> 0:56:51.959 how have you had to kind of adapt your philosophies 0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:52.440 over time? 0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:54.560 Yeah, I mean I did Monday night football for nine 0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:58.360 years and during those nine years I got away from 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:02.840 the players associate. How practices have changed. You know, you 0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:05.279 can't hit the quarterback below the leg. A lot of 0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:09.640 different rules have come in. Players safety big issue, but 0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:13.239 the big thing is coming back and coaching. You have 0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:16.520 to adapt to the rules, but you still have to 0:57:16.560 --> 0:57:20.840 push the envelope. You got to create repetitions. Repetitions the 0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:24.000 mother are learning, whether it be walkedthroughs, whatever it is. 0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:27.080 We have to develop players, and you guys will admit 0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:30.680 these college kids coming out, they are not as far 0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:33.160 along as people think they are. A lot of these 0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:37.520 guys are transferring year to year. They're only one year starters. 0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:40.720 They're really raw and you need time to spend with them. 0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:42.480 But you got to push the envelope. You got to 0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:45.960 adapt to the circumstances that are laid out for you ahead. 0:57:46.040 --> 0:57:48.320 Well know, we were talking about the transfer and the 0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:50.320 NI on the last episode of Busting with the Boys, 0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:53.120 how it's it's got to be so difficult as a 0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:54.920 college coach to go up to a player and be like, 0:57:54.920 --> 0:57:56.280 these are the things you need to work on, and 0:57:56.320 --> 0:57:57.760 be a little bit harder on them, a little more 0:57:57.760 --> 0:57:59.320 tough love on them, because it was like, I'm just 0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:01.640 going to go some get paid the same amount. Do 0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:04.760 you think there's going to be like a drop in 0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:07.320 the talent level in the NFL the next five to 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:09.960 seven years with guys not kind of, because you have 0:58:10.000 --> 0:58:11.640 to be forging fire a little bit. When it comes 0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:13.360 to college. You have to go through the ship, the 0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:16.560 six am winter conditioning type of situations and a lot 0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:18.080 of guys are when it gets too difficult now, they'll 0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:20.320 just leave. And if they're not pressed to move forward 0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:23.400 and grow, they're gonna be a less than player. Do 0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:26.560 you think there's gonna be a you'll see toughness, yeah, 0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:27.880 raw without mental tough Well, well we. 0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:30.440 Just said the thing I think is the key ingredient 0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:33.560 in being a pro football player. It's mental toughness. I 0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:35.480 don't care where you go, what round, or who you 0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:38.640 play for. You're gonna get your ass knocked off in 0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:41.120 the NFL and the media is gonna jump on you. 0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:43.840 That's just the reality of it. And if you don't 0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:46.760 have mental toughness to lean on, you're out. You're gonna 0:58:46.800 --> 0:58:49.880 be gone early. But I worry about the state of 0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:52.120 college football what we're doing. I mean, these guys are 0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:55.760 pulling out of bowl games. Guys are in the nil 0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:59.040 portal before the season is over. How would you look 0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:01.280 at your teammate if you had a left guard playing 0:59:01.280 --> 0:59:03.640 next to ye at Michigan, it's entering the portal before 0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:05.360 you play in a bowl game. That would probably piss 0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:05.680 you off. 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:08.880 It's hortally the playoff, like the portal's open. Now it's 0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:10.480 like these teams are going to try and make a 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:13.000 push to win a national title, and you got guys 0:59:13.080 --> 0:59:16.200 kind of flirting with the next girl. Yeah, that's crazy. 0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:19.840 It's got to be just because when Will and I 0:59:19.880 --> 0:59:22.040 were in college, it was you pick a school, You're 0:59:22.080 --> 0:59:24.000 at that school for four years. If you want to transfer, 0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:25.400 you to sit out for a year and lose a 0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:28.360 year of eligibility. So there's a lot of risk if 0:59:28.400 --> 0:59:30.280 you want to make it that dramatic of a change. 0:59:30.480 --> 0:59:33.000 So you either, you know, buy in or get the 0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:36.720 fuck out. And I could not imagine sitting next to 0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:39.480 a left guard or a tight end and blocking with 0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:42.720 them while they're like going gonna go to some other school, 0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:44.320 whether it's in the SEC or another school in the 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:46.440 Big Ten. That's got to be difficult for players to 0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:46.720 deal with. 0:59:46.840 --> 0:59:48.640 The worst one would be just knowing a guy's bitching 0:59:48.680 --> 0:59:50.600 about the situation and you're trying to go, like win 0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:51.320 a football game. 0:59:51.400 --> 0:59:53.959 Yeah, it's like, brother, we're trying to win this game. 0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:55.400 That's all matters. And Will and I are a big 0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:57.760 drink the kool aid guys like we when we were 0:59:57.960 --> 1:00:00.479 playing our sport on our team, it was like living 1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:02.000 and breathing and dying for that team. 1:00:02.240 --> 1:00:04.920 I really didn't want our scouts to bring in a 1:00:04.920 --> 1:00:08.600 lot of players that were transferred players, guys that quit 1:00:08.600 --> 1:00:10.680 at Michigan and went to Notre Dame and went from 1:00:10.720 --> 1:00:13.640 the I wanted guys that were finishers, that started and 1:00:13.680 --> 1:00:17.800 finished the job, signed up and executed their mission. Now 1:00:17.840 --> 1:00:21.600 you're gonna have to adapt to that philosophy. You're gonna 1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:24.000 have to take some guys that are bouncing around. But 1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:26.600 I've met with some of these kids that have entered 1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:28.560 the portal, and a lot of it has to do 1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:31.520 with their situation. They don't have money, they don't have 1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:35.160 two parents, they weren't raised with everything given to them, 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:37.080 they don't have any money, and all of a sudden, 1:00:37.080 --> 1:00:39.280 you get somebody offer you seven hundred thousand or six 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:43.240 hundred thousand dollars. You can't blame these guys for chasing 1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:45.680 their dream and improving our family situation. 1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:47.360 And if you never had money before, it's hard to 1:00:47.360 --> 1:00:49.280 look at seven hundred thousand dollars and say no, I'm 1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:51.760 gonna hold out and wait. Yeah, there's another train of 1:00:51.800 --> 1:00:53.480 thought too. It's like, if you've been broke your whole life, 1:00:53.480 --> 1:00:55.120 what's being broke a couple more years and being a 1:00:55.160 --> 1:00:57.600 part of something special. Yeah, that's kind of the selling point. 1:00:57.600 --> 1:01:00.560 If you're a Kenny Dillingham from ASU, it's like, listen, 1:01:00.600 --> 1:01:02.160 we can't offer you all the money in the world, 1:01:02.520 --> 1:01:05.520 but there's something special going on here and eventually you're 1:01:05.560 --> 1:01:08.040 gonna make that money. It's just hard, man. 1:01:08.080 --> 1:01:09.320 Yeah, they just need to find a way to not 1:01:09.400 --> 1:01:10.919 make it free agency all year round. 1:01:11.080 --> 1:01:12.360 Yeah, because the coach all recruit. 1:01:12.360 --> 1:01:14.600 You're already recruit your ass off to get the next 1:01:14.600 --> 1:01:16.280 guys in, but you got to recruit your ass off 1:01:16.280 --> 1:01:18.440 for the guys that are there, and then these portal 1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:20.960 situations and opportunities open up, like while you're in the 1:01:20.960 --> 1:01:23.760 middle of a season. So I just feel like something, 1:01:23.760 --> 1:01:25.520 there's got to be a solution that's gonna come. 1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:27.600 Well, you guys come from the big time. You guys 1:01:27.600 --> 1:01:29.040 come from Nebraska, Michigan. 1:01:29.080 --> 1:01:29.880 I played at Dayton. 1:01:30.320 --> 1:01:31.960 You know I got friends at coach in the Mid 1:01:32.040 --> 1:01:36.400 American Conference. This picture yourself at Toledo or Western Michigan 1:01:36.520 --> 1:01:40.120 or Kent State. You're coaching your ass off. You find 1:01:40.160 --> 1:01:42.640 these players that aren't five star players, that are maybe 1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:45.520 one star players. You feed them, you develop them, and 1:01:45.520 --> 1:01:48.560 as they become all conference players in the Mid American League, 1:01:49.040 --> 1:01:52.960 sophomores or juniors. Here comes Nebraska, here comes Michigan. You 1:01:53.040 --> 1:01:55.720 take all my players, man, and you pay them, and 1:01:55.760 --> 1:01:57.320 what do I get? You know what I get? I 1:01:57.360 --> 1:02:02.760 get nothing? Thissses me off man. So the smaller schools 1:02:02.760 --> 1:02:05.440 are the ones that are getting punched in the mouth. 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:08.560 And you know that's just part of the program right now. 1:02:08.600 --> 1:02:10.840 The friends and coaches that you know and have are 1:02:10.880 --> 1:02:14.360 they is like some of their philosophy just recruiting guys 1:02:14.360 --> 1:02:16.840 about hey, you can be this could be a stepping zone. 1:02:16.840 --> 1:02:18.120 I'll get you to the next league. 1:02:18.200 --> 1:02:21.120 Yeah, I mean recruiting now is it's a totally different deal. 1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:25.200 You got some guy walking in your office that's managing Hey, 1:02:25.200 --> 1:02:29.400 I got Taylor Luwe and Will Compton. This guy's represent 1:02:29.520 --> 1:02:32.240 you to guys and he's telling me, Hey, if you 1:02:32.280 --> 1:02:34.960 want Luwan and Compton, you got to pay him this 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:37.840 and pay him that. And if you pay me, I'll 1:02:37.880 --> 1:02:40.320 make sure you get these two guys. So now you're 1:02:40.360 --> 1:02:43.200 dealing out. You're dealing with a lot of variables that 1:02:43.360 --> 1:02:46.480 has nothing to do with football, and it's a problem. 1:02:46.680 --> 1:02:48.439 It's a problem. That's a good point. 1:02:48.520 --> 1:02:52.200 Did you tweet something yesterday about agency king twenty percent? 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:57.080 Yeah, Look, there's there are agencies and I mean you 1:02:57.120 --> 1:02:59.400 were with CAA, Like, there's agencies where you get like 1:02:59.440 --> 1:03:01.680 in the NFL, it's bigger contracts, bigger money to where 1:03:01.680 --> 1:03:04.240 you're paying them one to three percent. And then if 1:03:04.240 --> 1:03:06.400 you have like a marketing rep, there's there's like a 1:03:06.440 --> 1:03:08.240 ten to twenty percent cut that they take if they 1:03:08.280 --> 1:03:10.720 were to get your twist the tea or body armor, 1:03:10.720 --> 1:03:12.320 you know what I mean to be like in a commercial. 1:03:12.680 --> 1:03:17.000 So I understand that there are quality agencies that command 1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:20.040 ten to twenty percent in total off of you know, 1:03:20.120 --> 1:03:23.280 two three hundred thousand dollars. I understand that the problem 1:03:23.320 --> 1:03:25.280 I have is knowing that you have and you learned 1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:28.040 about in college, that these runners that take place, like 1:03:28.280 --> 1:03:30.880 you could be represented by coach Gruden. He's your agent, 1:03:30.920 --> 1:03:34.160 he's your agency. I could be somebody that goes to Tennessee, 1:03:34.240 --> 1:03:38.120 Nebraska and Michigan just doing my own thing and getting 1:03:38.200 --> 1:03:40.800 your market understanding. Hey, if Taylor hit the portal, what 1:03:40.840 --> 1:03:42.800 would he be worth? Four hundred thousand, five hundred thousand, 1:03:42.800 --> 1:03:45.280 six hundred thousand dollars? And then I DM and message 1:03:45.320 --> 1:03:47.160 you and start to poach and do all these things, 1:03:47.200 --> 1:03:50.880 and I know nothing about your situation, your experience anything. 1:03:50.960 --> 1:03:52.480 I'm just trying to make a quick buck off you 1:03:52.480 --> 1:03:54.280 because I know I can get twenty percent if I 1:03:54.280 --> 1:03:56.200 start dangling these carrots in front of you, Like, hey, 1:03:56.480 --> 1:03:58.200 I know you're with him making three hundred thousand, but 1:03:58.320 --> 1:04:00.200 I'm telling you right now, I'm feeling the temperature there. 1:04:00.240 --> 1:04:01.640 You can make up to seven hundred thousand if you 1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:04.600 come with me. And so there's just so many muddy waters. 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:07.800 Nobody's out there, you know, telling all the truth of 1:04:07.800 --> 1:04:10.080 it all because everybody it's just an open market. The 1:04:10.080 --> 1:04:12.160 business has got to figure itself out. College football has 1:04:12.160 --> 1:04:15.440 got to step in and put some parameters somewhere, and guys, unfortunately, 1:04:15.440 --> 1:04:17.120 are gonna have to kids are gonna have to, unfortunately 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:19.080 learn the hard way at times. It's gonna have to 1:04:19.120 --> 1:04:20.720 sort of self out. But that's like the issue I 1:04:20.760 --> 1:04:23.320 have is knowing that I get it. It's a business. 1:04:23.360 --> 1:04:25.280 It's an open market. We live in a free market. 1:04:25.440 --> 1:04:28.920 We want players to get paid. College Foe makes millions 1:04:28.920 --> 1:04:31.480 and billions of dollars off this stuff. I understand all that, 1:04:31.760 --> 1:04:33.560 but we know at the same time too, Like we 1:04:33.560 --> 1:04:35.760 were those players. We were those guys in college and 1:04:35.800 --> 1:04:39.000 you understand how important development is, how important adversity is, 1:04:39.160 --> 1:04:41.439 how important being forged in the fire is. And maybe 1:04:41.480 --> 1:04:43.400 you are in a situation where, hey, you should transfer. 1:04:43.600 --> 1:04:45.080 There's a lot of guys that just get the wrong 1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:48.440 information and bad information and they're getting bad mentoring, or 1:04:48.680 --> 1:04:51.200 they're getting no mentoring at all. They're just chasing money 1:04:51.200 --> 1:04:53.480 when it's like, you know you. I just hate to 1:04:53.480 --> 1:04:55.160 see that happen with kids. I like to see that 1:04:55.200 --> 1:04:57.160 happen with college football because it hurts the product that 1:04:57.320 --> 1:05:00.600 ultimately leads into the NFL to where that's you know, 1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:03.600 that becomes a bad product because the fundamentals and technique 1:05:03.680 --> 1:05:06.240 is off. It's way worse just because of the quality. 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:10.000 These kids aren't going and choosing football because they want 1:05:10.000 --> 1:05:13.160 to be great football players. They want to, they think 1:05:13.200 --> 1:05:15.080 they want to, but then they get be dazzled by 1:05:15.120 --> 1:05:17.560 money and everything else. And again I understand it. I 1:05:17.680 --> 1:05:20.160 just hate this wild West that we're living in because 1:05:20.160 --> 1:05:22.280 it's hard to figure out what this nil world is 1:05:22.280 --> 1:05:24.400 because nobody really talks about it. Whole lot. There's a 1:05:24.440 --> 1:05:25.440 lot of shit that goes. 1:05:25.240 --> 1:05:27.520 On that was really fucking well. I mean that was 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:28.439 well said right there. 1:05:28.480 --> 1:05:30.680 I mean think about it, like, you know, coach Norvale, 1:05:30.680 --> 1:05:32.600 he's with Colorado State, he was kind of talking on it. 1:05:32.640 --> 1:05:34.600 But coaches can't speak on it too much because you 1:05:34.640 --> 1:05:36.720 don't know all the legality is going on. You're in 1:05:36.760 --> 1:05:39.800 with the nil collective, like they have their own stories 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:44.200 and drama. Coaches understand what their situation is. Players understand 1:05:44.200 --> 1:05:46.560 what their situation. It's just it's fucking bizarre right now. 1:05:46.560 --> 1:05:48.600 And as a coach, as a college coach, your whole 1:05:48.640 --> 1:05:50.560 thing with these young players is eighteen to twenty two 1:05:50.600 --> 1:05:53.200 year olds is all about limiting distractions. And when we 1:05:53.200 --> 1:05:55.760 were you know, oh now I was nine to thirteen, 1:05:55.800 --> 1:05:59.240 you were eight to twelve. Yeah, when you're there in college, 1:05:59.280 --> 1:06:02.160 then it's it's a game of like limiting distractions with alcohol, 1:06:02.240 --> 1:06:04.280 with assholes and women like that. Those are the those 1:06:04.280 --> 1:06:06.680 are the big three pillars. Now you're throwing money in 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:08.880 the whole thing too, because as a as a player, 1:06:08.960 --> 1:06:11.320 you're looking at that pot of gold at the end 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:13.680 of the of the dark tunnel. But now there's little 1:06:13.720 --> 1:06:15.840 flickers of lights with a little bag here, a little 1:06:15.840 --> 1:06:17.640 back there that can get you on the wrong path, 1:06:17.920 --> 1:06:19.400 and then you don't get fours in the fire, you 1:06:19.800 --> 1:06:21.960 lose a technique and you become a lesser football player. 1:06:22.160 --> 1:06:24.400 That hurts you in the end that when you're twenty 1:06:24.440 --> 1:06:25.920 five years old, a couple years in the league, that 1:06:25.960 --> 1:06:28.040 second contract might not be as good, which would be 1:06:28.120 --> 1:06:30.480 way more money than you would have ever made in college. 1:06:30.480 --> 1:06:32.000 So it's a it's a whole thing. 1:06:32.080 --> 1:06:33.760 I just I just hate the money hungry. 1:06:33.960 --> 1:06:38.640 It makes it interesting, really interesting. Man is sitting here 1:06:38.640 --> 1:06:41.360 looking at you two guys on this bus. Man, I 1:06:41.360 --> 1:06:43.800 mean I've known you guys as players, and I've seen 1:06:43.840 --> 1:06:46.680 you guys on this bus. And to think that you 1:06:46.720 --> 1:06:51.840 guys have turned this into I mean an unbelievable deal. 1:06:52.000 --> 1:06:53.320 I mean, you guys are killing it. 1:06:53.760 --> 1:06:56.360 We go to rept this episode to bring you body armor. 1:06:56.720 --> 1:07:03.280 This episode. We no, no keep it in. We interrupt 1:07:03.280 --> 1:07:05.840 this episode because this episode is brought to you by 1:07:05.880 --> 1:07:09.280 the body Armor Sports Drink, real hydration, real ingredients, packed 1:07:09.280 --> 1:07:12.720 with the electrolytes, vitamins, and nothing artificial. Body Armor Sports 1:07:12.800 --> 1:07:16.280 Drink has a has great tasting flavors like strawberry banana 1:07:16.480 --> 1:07:20.440 or Taylor's personal favorite that orange mango. Get yours today 1:07:20.560 --> 1:07:23.000 or at a local grocery store near you, drink body armor, 1:07:23.120 --> 1:07:26.160 hydrate with body armor, and enjoy the rest of this episode. 1:07:26.440 --> 1:07:29.280 I just I hate to interrupt you guys and change subjects, 1:07:29.280 --> 1:07:31.920 but this nil kind of rubbs me wrong. But you know, 1:07:32.680 --> 1:07:36.000 success on the field is one thing, but transition in Like, 1:07:36.040 --> 1:07:38.280 I just for all the young guys out there, can 1:07:38.320 --> 1:07:41.120 you just tell me how you transition into this thing 1:07:41.240 --> 1:07:44.440 right here and have created and reinvented yourselves here. This 1:07:44.480 --> 1:07:45.880 is pretty freaking cool man. 1:07:46.000 --> 1:07:48.360 Yeah, if you want to take the first part of that, yea, 1:07:48.360 --> 1:07:50.320 because it's a story We've told a lot on the bus. 1:07:50.360 --> 1:07:51.680 But it is just cool. 1:07:52.080 --> 1:07:54.120 But a lot of players, you know, they get out 1:07:54.120 --> 1:07:57.640 of football, they kind of search for their next game, 1:07:57.720 --> 1:07:59.920 their next thing. How did you guys do this? 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:02.560 Yeah? I speaking for myself. I feel like I was 1:08:02.600 --> 1:08:05.240 in I was in year six with the Tennessee Titans, 1:08:05.800 --> 1:08:07.360 and you know, Coach, like when I got to play 1:08:07.360 --> 1:08:09.840 for you, like I cut my teeth into the league 1:08:09.880 --> 1:08:13.920 with your brother at Washington. And in my situation, if 1:08:13.960 --> 1:08:16.360 I'm a backup and a special teams guy, I don't 1:08:16.360 --> 1:08:18.200 want anybody to get hurt. But if I'm gonna get 1:08:18.200 --> 1:08:20.600 my opportunity. You know, you're gonna need the guy to 1:08:20.640 --> 1:08:22.200 go down in front of you and then hey, I 1:08:22.240 --> 1:08:23.720 get to show them what I'm about. I can show 1:08:23.760 --> 1:08:25.120 them that I can rock the green dot, do all 1:08:25.120 --> 1:08:27.599 those things. And so when I didn't get that opportunity 1:08:27.640 --> 1:08:30.320 in my sixth year, I'm kind of sitting there with myself. 1:08:30.479 --> 1:08:32.280 You know, there's things I'm interested in. I know I 1:08:32.320 --> 1:08:34.639 want to coach, I have interest in, like the real estate. 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:36.559 You're trying to you're trying to figure out where your 1:08:36.560 --> 1:08:39.000 curiosities go because at some point the game is going 1:08:39.000 --> 1:08:41.160 to end. It's going to end sooner than you think. 1:08:41.320 --> 1:08:43.679 It's probably not gonna end on your terms like most guys. 1:08:44.320 --> 1:08:47.240 And so, just knowing that I love podcasting, I end 1:08:47.280 --> 1:08:49.719 up asking Taylor if he wanted to start a podcast 1:08:49.720 --> 1:08:51.720 with me. He was all in, and I'm kind of 1:08:51.720 --> 1:08:53.600 thinking to myself, like, people do make money in this 1:08:53.680 --> 1:08:56.320 podcasting world. If we could, you know, if we could 1:08:56.640 --> 1:09:00.679 you know, have the uh, if we're able to spin 1:09:00.720 --> 1:09:03.439 it and transition and use this as a transitional point, 1:09:03.479 --> 1:09:06.439 like how great would that be? And so for me, 1:09:06.680 --> 1:09:08.320 it was like, all right, I'm going to start a 1:09:08.320 --> 1:09:10.760 podcast I could play myself out of the league because 1:09:10.760 --> 1:09:13.320 nobody in the NFL world's really doing it. McAfee retired 1:09:13.320 --> 1:09:16.439 to go into barstool Media and then the media in general. 1:09:16.680 --> 1:09:18.920 But nobody's really doing it. And I know how coaches 1:09:18.920 --> 1:09:20.800 and I know how front office and people can feel 1:09:20.840 --> 1:09:24.280 about players being on a public platform, especially when it's 1:09:24.280 --> 1:09:26.760 like I'm not. I wasn't in a situation where I'm 1:09:26.760 --> 1:09:29.240 getting a big second contract like I was going into 1:09:29.240 --> 1:09:30.800 that offseason knowing I was going to be a ninety 1:09:30.800 --> 1:09:33.080 man guy having to make a fifty three roster and 1:09:33.080 --> 1:09:35.120 who wants any of that luggage or extra drama. So 1:09:35.160 --> 1:09:36.920 I'm like, if I play myself out of the league, 1:09:37.000 --> 1:09:39.360 but it's you know, if we're able to transition and 1:09:39.360 --> 1:09:41.679 create something like you know, then that's just the risk 1:09:41.760 --> 1:09:44.720 that I'll take. Fortunately, I got to continue doing it 1:09:45.000 --> 1:09:47.200 and being on the podcast, doing the podcast, being on 1:09:47.240 --> 1:09:49.160 the bus, going to play for you, playing with the 1:09:49.160 --> 1:09:51.000 Tites again, and doing it for a few more years. 1:09:51.000 --> 1:09:53.280 But ultimately for me, it was like, hey, this game 1:09:53.360 --> 1:09:55.040 is going to end at some point. I need to 1:09:55.120 --> 1:09:58.599 understand where my interests are, where my curiosity lies, and 1:09:59.000 --> 1:10:00.720 try to do whatever I can and to have the 1:10:00.760 --> 1:10:02.920 autonomy to do it myself before I have to go, like, 1:10:03.000 --> 1:10:04.960 work for the man, And who knows if I'm working 1:10:04.960 --> 1:10:06.000 for the man, if it's going to be in the 1:10:06.080 --> 1:10:09.240 right situation. When you're done playing football, we get catered 1:10:09.280 --> 1:10:11.680 to our entire lives. The structures there. You get a 1:10:11.720 --> 1:10:14.320 motivational speech, You understand how tough it is, you want 1:10:14.320 --> 1:10:16.400 to be forging the fire. You have all those skills 1:10:16.560 --> 1:10:19.719 to transition. However, you don't get the highs of playing 1:10:19.760 --> 1:10:23.680 at that elite level of the NFL, right going out 1:10:23.680 --> 1:10:26.400 there on prime time, winning with the band of brothers. 1:10:26.720 --> 1:10:29.040 And when that gets pulled away, a lot of guys 1:10:29.040 --> 1:10:32.519 struggle because it's like, where's our next roller coaster? Where's 1:10:32.520 --> 1:10:34.559 our next high We played on such a high level. 1:10:34.960 --> 1:10:38.400 The logo, even though they tell you, Coach Gruden, you 1:10:38.439 --> 1:10:43.120 know you guys got to sacrifice for this logo. Everything 1:10:43.160 --> 1:10:46.839 you guys pour into this, we're doing it for a team, team, team, team. 1:10:47.160 --> 1:10:50.200 The minute the team is you're not on the team anymore. 1:10:50.479 --> 1:10:53.000 That logo isn't calling you back to make sure you 1:10:53.040 --> 1:10:55.599 get your next job. So it's all about how can 1:10:55.640 --> 1:10:57.880 we control our situation? And I feel like We've been 1:10:57.920 --> 1:10:59.439 able to create Bustle with the boys, and it's been 1:10:59.439 --> 1:11:01.920 incredible because the big thing you miss when you leave 1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:04.400 is the locker room, right, we've gotten to create something 1:11:04.400 --> 1:11:06.479 off that. But that's like, that was like my train 1:11:06.560 --> 1:11:08.280 of thought going into busting with you. 1:11:08.400 --> 1:11:10.679 Yeah, And it's it's interesting because you kind of see, 1:11:10.720 --> 1:11:13.040 like Will and I's pass how different they were entering 1:11:13.080 --> 1:11:17.240 the NFL. Because when I got a scholarship offer in Scottsdale, 1:11:17.280 --> 1:11:19.400 Arizona for the first time, it's from Utah State. Right 1:11:19.400 --> 1:11:20.960 then and there, I thought to myself, I'm going to 1:11:21.000 --> 1:11:23.280 the NFL. Like that is now my my path of 1:11:23.360 --> 1:11:26.000 life has now is very clear. And as a football 1:11:26.000 --> 1:11:28.280 player who lives breeze and eats and loves the game 1:11:28.320 --> 1:11:31.120 of football, you truly think the most audiable death is 1:11:31.120 --> 1:11:33.559 probably to die in between the hashes, Like that is 1:11:33.600 --> 1:11:35.760 kind of the way you want to go. You like, 1:11:36.320 --> 1:11:38.240 you look in the mirror before a game with tears 1:11:38.240 --> 1:11:39.840 in your eyes and you think, if today is the day. 1:11:39.880 --> 1:11:42.120 I go like, it's a good fucking day and it's 1:11:42.439 --> 1:11:44.439 time to go out there. So for me, I was 1:11:44.439 --> 1:11:46.439 always a guy that's like I was never focused on 1:11:46.439 --> 1:11:49.040 what's next. I was always focused on right now, and 1:11:49.080 --> 1:11:51.479 it was you know, playing well and getting to the NFL. 1:11:51.520 --> 1:11:53.400 So I go to Michigan, I become a first round pick, 1:11:53.640 --> 1:11:56.840 and when Will Compton comes to the Tennessee Titans, I 1:11:56.920 --> 1:11:58.880 just signed the biggest deal in NFL history for an 1:11:58.880 --> 1:12:01.880 offensive lineman. To me, everything is going according to plan 1:12:01.920 --> 1:12:06.160 where I'm not seeing the inevitable end of what every 1:12:06.160 --> 1:12:08.400 player has to go through. Even if you're Tom Brady 1:12:08.400 --> 1:12:10.920 who can beat Father Time like you were always going 1:12:10.960 --> 1:12:13.439 to the game is always gonna walk away from you 1:12:13.520 --> 1:12:16.360 before you walk away from it. So when Will approaches 1:12:16.400 --> 1:12:18.679 me about doing a podcast, I'm thinking to myself, dude, 1:12:18.960 --> 1:12:21.320 like I guess, and I just in my head I 1:12:21.320 --> 1:12:23.679 canpartmentalize it as like, well, people do real estate, people 1:12:23.680 --> 1:12:26.080 do stocks, like this is the same thing. It's just 1:12:26.120 --> 1:12:28.400 an investment. I just happened to be in the public 1:12:28.439 --> 1:12:30.800 eye and you mentioned it in the locker room. I'm 1:12:30.800 --> 1:12:33.479 not like your stereotypical office lineman, a scene not heard 1:12:33.520 --> 1:12:36.320 type of guy. I'm very much seen and very much heard. 1:12:36.640 --> 1:12:38.400 So like it was an opportunity for me to kind 1:12:38.400 --> 1:12:41.200 of like allow this personality to come out. And it 1:12:41.280 --> 1:12:43.200 was like you know. To me, I thought like, I 1:12:43.200 --> 1:12:44.840 don't know what this is gonna be. This might be 1:12:44.920 --> 1:12:45.840 just a fun little game. 1:12:45.920 --> 1:12:48.280 Guys take a couple of video games in there at home. 1:12:48.320 --> 1:12:49.120 It's like you're coming in. 1:12:49.160 --> 1:12:51.839 Yeah, just coming, come and rip in a podcast. And 1:12:51.560 --> 1:12:53.640 it turned into this and it couldn't have happened at 1:12:53.640 --> 1:12:56.800 a better time. I remember I bought so the house 1:12:56.840 --> 1:12:58.280 I live in now. I bought the land and I 1:12:58.320 --> 1:13:01.000 was building and Will and I walking around the property 1:13:01.080 --> 1:13:02.880 and it was right, it was like right before the 1:13:02.920 --> 1:13:04.599 season or right after the season, and it Will was like, 1:13:04.920 --> 1:13:06.400 this is my last year. I don't want to do 1:13:06.400 --> 1:13:07.960 it again. I played that game with him for three 1:13:08.000 --> 1:13:10.040 more years. Every year it was this is my last year. 1:13:10.040 --> 1:13:11.559 I don't want to do it again. And then it 1:13:11.640 --> 1:13:13.160 was like, you know, maybe they could sneak in and 1:13:13.160 --> 1:13:15.240 get rid of camp. And then he started playing the game, 1:13:15.680 --> 1:13:18.920 and so like while we're both still playing in the NFL, 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:22.240 Bustin's kind of just like chugging along and grow getting 1:13:22.280 --> 1:13:24.000 more and more followers and people are more. 1:13:24.120 --> 1:13:25.160 We go into our stool. 1:13:25.200 --> 1:13:27.559 We got a barstool early and often, which you're gonna 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:29.600 come to find out, is like the greatest teacher in 1:13:29.640 --> 1:13:32.840 this world. It's it's that gives you the ability to 1:13:32.880 --> 1:13:36.200 be yourself unapologetically be yourself the good and the bad, 1:13:36.600 --> 1:13:38.880 and be everyone be like, that's all right, You're a 1:13:38.880 --> 1:13:40.720 part of barstool. You can do whatever you want here. 1:13:41.120 --> 1:13:43.920 And so it is. It's interesting how it all turned out, 1:13:44.400 --> 1:13:45.760 and you just kind of look back and you're like, 1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:47.720 it's kind of fucking crazy. Like in my mind, I'm 1:13:47.720 --> 1:13:49.760 like I kind of just luked into this. I kind 1:13:49.760 --> 1:13:52.360 of just like fell into meeting Will, and Will wanted 1:13:52.400 --> 1:13:54.320 to do this and he didn't. He wanted the safety 1:13:54.320 --> 1:13:55.559 blanket of doing with somebody else. 1:13:55.600 --> 1:13:57.760 And I have read safety chemistry too. 1:13:57.880 --> 1:13:58.879 Yeah, I mean it's beautiful. 1:13:59.120 --> 1:14:00.920 Like when you signed the big deal, there's a part 1:14:00.960 --> 1:14:02.400 in my brain I'm like, well, the team won't be 1:14:02.400 --> 1:14:04.160 able to touch him because he's the highest paid player 1:14:04.160 --> 1:14:06.439 on their team. Hey, if I play myself out, I'm 1:14:06.479 --> 1:14:08.240 just not going to get a phone call again. Yeah, 1:14:08.439 --> 1:14:09.000 it's like, fuck it. 1:14:09.080 --> 1:14:11.480 Let's just we knew we had three years of guarantee. 1:14:11.080 --> 1:14:11.760 To do what we want to. 1:14:11.840 --> 1:14:12.679 End up working out. 1:14:12.760 --> 1:14:15.160 Yeah, ended up working out for it, ends up calling 1:14:15.200 --> 1:14:17.280 and I go out to I go out to Oakland, Yeah, 1:14:17.439 --> 1:14:18.400 but you've. 1:14:18.040 --> 1:14:19.840 Bale a lot of transition too when you were going 1:14:19.840 --> 1:14:22.639 from the NFL into commentating, Like a lot of coaches 1:14:22.680 --> 1:14:24.040 try to do that. A lot of coaches try to 1:14:24.040 --> 1:14:26.040 dip their toe into the media space. But you came 1:14:26.080 --> 1:14:28.400 in and you murdered it. The ability to know what 1:14:28.439 --> 1:14:30.920 every player's callers they went to, and their mascot and 1:14:30.920 --> 1:14:32.640 you just talk about guys if you've known them for 1:14:32.640 --> 1:14:35.439 twenty years. How did how was that transition for you 1:14:35.479 --> 1:14:37.920 from going from coaching to media. 1:14:38.400 --> 1:14:42.200 Well, I was a communications major in college. I always 1:14:42.200 --> 1:14:43.960 wanted to do the news. I always wanted to be 1:14:44.000 --> 1:14:47.320 a sportscaster. Really, if I wasn't going to coach. Oh, 1:14:47.439 --> 1:14:49.960 excuse me if you want to answer that. 1:14:49.920 --> 1:14:51.240 To dude, you gotta do yet. 1:14:53.040 --> 1:14:54.280 You kind of want to take that, don't you. 1:14:54.360 --> 1:14:56.920 No, I'm sorry I didn't turn it off. But Mike 1:14:56.960 --> 1:14:59.400 Tariko was the key for me. I mean, I got 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:04.280 I got fired. I was really humbled. I was really down, 1:15:04.880 --> 1:15:06.920 and the NFL network called me and asked me to 1:15:06.920 --> 1:15:11.200 come to the Combine and do some segments covering the combine. 1:15:11.240 --> 1:15:13.200 Steve mary Yucci's a friend of mine, says, come on, 1:15:13.920 --> 1:15:15.800 So I got right up to the combine, I said, 1:15:15.840 --> 1:15:18.160 I can't do it. I was just humiliated. I didn't 1:15:18.160 --> 1:15:19.720 want to go to the combine and see all my 1:15:19.800 --> 1:15:23.000 coaching friends after just being fired. I was embarrassed. So 1:15:23.120 --> 1:15:25.280 Mooch says, come on, let's go. So I ended up 1:15:25.320 --> 1:15:27.559 doing it, and I guess I did pretty good. And 1:15:27.680 --> 1:15:29.880 some guys at Monday Night Football saw me and we 1:15:30.000 --> 1:15:32.680 had a chance to interview. But when I met Turico, 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:36.559 long story showed short. He helped me big time. He 1:15:36.680 --> 1:15:39.599 threw me great fruits that I could hit. He would 1:15:39.680 --> 1:15:41.960 hit me, you know, and probe me, and he really 1:15:42.000 --> 1:15:45.040 helped me with my preparation and my confidence. But it 1:15:46.400 --> 1:15:49.880 was a transition. It was pretty interesting. I really enjoyed 1:15:49.880 --> 1:15:52.679 the three man booth when we had Jaworski up there, 1:15:52.920 --> 1:15:55.040 because we would bust each other's balls and it was 1:15:55.200 --> 1:15:57.720 almost like three guys at a bar watching a football game. 1:15:57.760 --> 1:16:00.440 That's what I felt like. But it was a great trendransition, 1:16:00.479 --> 1:16:03.040 a lot of fun, and it allowed me to get 1:16:03.080 --> 1:16:06.400 the tapes, keep studying. We got our quarterback camp going 1:16:06.479 --> 1:16:08.640 in the spring, which kind of kept me going with 1:16:08.680 --> 1:16:12.799 the draft and ultimately led to my return to the Raiders. 1:16:12.880 --> 1:16:14.320 Unfortunately I did last long. 1:16:14.479 --> 1:16:17.040 Yeah, talk about how hard it was, the transition. You're 1:16:17.040 --> 1:16:19.360 talking about being embarrassed and humiliated. You are like a 1:16:19.600 --> 1:16:22.200 you were like a super Bowl winning coach and you 1:16:22.240 --> 1:16:23.439 were somebody who got traded. 1:16:24.120 --> 1:16:26.760 Yeah, well that was hard too. But you know, when 1:16:26.800 --> 1:16:30.560 you get fired, you guys know it is you're eventually 1:16:30.600 --> 1:16:33.920 even you got cut, it's it. Maybe you decided yourself, 1:16:33.960 --> 1:16:36.200 but maybe you saw the writing on the wall. At 1:16:36.200 --> 1:16:42.080 some point somebody says, yeah, you're fired, and it catches you. 1:16:43.360 --> 1:16:46.120 But when I did go back, it was it was 1:16:46.160 --> 1:16:49.639 a lot different. The world had completely changed. What's really 1:16:49.680 --> 1:16:53.160 hard is hiring a coaching staff. When you're the head coach, 1:16:53.320 --> 1:16:55.599 the most important thing you got to do is hire 1:16:55.640 --> 1:16:57.920 the right coaches. I'm going to call the plays and 1:16:57.960 --> 1:17:00.360 coach the quarterbacks. That's just how I did it. But 1:17:00.439 --> 1:17:03.080 you better hire the right defensive staff. You know, you 1:17:03.160 --> 1:17:05.840 better get the right personnel group around you that sees 1:17:06.280 --> 1:17:09.280 the vision that you have for the team or vice versa. 1:17:09.400 --> 1:17:11.360 We have to see it the same way. But that 1:17:11.520 --> 1:17:14.800 was a big challenge is surrounding yourself with guys that 1:17:14.880 --> 1:17:17.080 you grew up with. A lot of those guys had 1:17:17.080 --> 1:17:19.600 their own jobs. They couldn't get out of their contracts. 1:17:20.000 --> 1:17:23.280 It's a pain in the ass man, getting your network 1:17:23.400 --> 1:17:25.439 together on the same staff so you can go in 1:17:25.479 --> 1:17:26.720 and do what you want to do. 1:17:27.360 --> 1:17:29.639 When you are picking out those coaches, you're talking about 1:17:29.680 --> 1:17:32.240 your buddies. How hard is it to get a phone 1:17:32.240 --> 1:17:33.640 call from a guy that you may have known for 1:17:33.680 --> 1:17:35.320 a long time, that you know is not the right 1:17:35.360 --> 1:17:36.919 person for the job. What's that conversation? 1:17:37.000 --> 1:17:39.120 Law man? It's hard, you know. You got to say 1:17:39.160 --> 1:17:41.599 I'm going in another direction, and you lose some friends. 1:17:42.000 --> 1:17:43.960 It's hard to have a lot of friends, you know. 1:17:44.040 --> 1:17:46.920 Sometimes you got to turn a guy down. You can't 1:17:46.920 --> 1:17:49.599 do it. You got a job open, Hey, I need 1:17:49.640 --> 1:17:52.320 the job. I don't have a job. I need this job, 1:17:52.720 --> 1:17:55.080 and you got to let them down and sometimes it 1:17:55.240 --> 1:17:59.400 costs you. But there's a lot of hard lessons and 1:17:59.479 --> 1:18:02.559 mental toughness that you gotta understand come with being the 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:03.080 head coach. 1:18:03.200 --> 1:18:05.200 Yeah, when you were in media for those nine years, 1:18:05.320 --> 1:18:07.240 was the goal always to get back in the NFL 1:18:07.280 --> 1:18:07.920 and be a coach. 1:18:08.640 --> 1:18:11.040 It was initially I thought I'd be right back in 1:18:11.240 --> 1:18:14.280 doing something right. But the more I got around Tarrico 1:18:14.439 --> 1:18:17.240 and Jaworski and the Dun Dun Dunt dah. I mean 1:18:17.280 --> 1:18:19.559 I love that song, man, Yeah, And there was a 1:18:19.600 --> 1:18:23.559 certain as a kid growing up, I love Monday Night Football. 1:18:23.640 --> 1:18:25.280 My mom and dad would let me stay up to 1:18:25.320 --> 1:18:28.799 watch the highlights at halftime, Howard Cosell and Frank Gifford. 1:18:29.000 --> 1:18:32.240 I felt honored to be on Monday Night Football, but 1:18:32.439 --> 1:18:35.240 I ultimately knew I had to get back on the sidelines. 1:18:35.600 --> 1:18:38.600 And I still miss it. Man, I still would like 1:18:38.680 --> 1:18:42.719 to take one more swing. But right now I'm busting 1:18:42.720 --> 1:18:45.800 with the boys and I'm with Barstool and I'm having fun. 1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:48.480 Man, Are you hoping to get back on the sideline? 1:18:48.520 --> 1:18:51.040 Well, I mean, you know fantasy. I live in fantasy 1:18:51.040 --> 1:18:53.200 world a little bit. I'm no different than I was 1:18:53.240 --> 1:18:55.920 when I was eighteen years old. You know, I fantasize 1:18:55.920 --> 1:18:59.360 about stuff, and I still fantasize about getting a can 1:18:59.360 --> 1:19:01.599 of whoop ass and going out there with a bunch 1:19:01.600 --> 1:19:03.679 of guys and just kicking a shit out of some boy. 1:19:03.960 --> 1:19:07.880 I just like that competitive game day feeling. I just 1:19:08.160 --> 1:19:09.920 know you can't get that anywhere else. 1:19:09.960 --> 1:19:13.280 Man, the butterflies, the juice. We were a smelling salt guy. 1:19:13.520 --> 1:19:15.519 No I've never did that. I never had to do that. 1:19:15.720 --> 1:19:18.920 The smelling salts were always It just adds that level 1:19:18.920 --> 1:19:21.840 of anxiety to a whole new fun level. But dude, 1:19:21.840 --> 1:19:24.720 when the Jets fired for their head coach, I think 1:19:24.760 --> 1:19:27.640 it was was it Booger came out and he's like, 1:19:27.880 --> 1:19:29.960 one name you need to think about right now is 1:19:30.040 --> 1:19:32.519 John Gruden. And for the last couple of years, your 1:19:32.600 --> 1:19:34.720 name wasn't really thrown around the whole coaching realm, and 1:19:34.800 --> 1:19:37.439 all of a sudden, your name is now starting to 1:19:37.479 --> 1:19:40.120 find its way back into the NFL. When you start 1:19:40.120 --> 1:19:42.120 to hear that, are you getting phone calls about anything? 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:44.280 Or are you just the media is starting to talk 1:19:44.280 --> 1:19:45.760 and you're letting them do their thing, because that's how 1:19:45.800 --> 1:19:47.599 everything works. All it takes is one person to say 1:19:47.640 --> 1:19:49.800 your name and then it's slowly, like a snowball, just 1:19:49.800 --> 1:19:51.720 starts getting bigger and bigger as it rolls down a hill. 1:19:52.000 --> 1:19:54.599 Just a few conversations, you know. I think the big 1:19:54.640 --> 1:19:58.360 thing I'm trying to do right now is coach people 1:19:58.400 --> 1:20:00.360 that I have the FFCA, I have a you have 1:20:00.400 --> 1:20:04.160 an office, I have my own I got my video tapes, 1:20:04.200 --> 1:20:07.280 and I'm obsessed with it. We have a lot of coaches, 1:20:07.360 --> 1:20:10.680 a lot of players. Uh, just different coaching staffs that 1:20:10.720 --> 1:20:13.280 have come in and we study football, and I really 1:20:13.320 --> 1:20:16.519 am getting my fix doing that. I really don't need 1:20:16.560 --> 1:20:18.680 this nil stuff. I would I would give me a 1:20:18.720 --> 1:20:19.200 heart attack. 1:20:19.360 --> 1:20:20.600 Would you coach college? 1:20:21.240 --> 1:20:23.080 You know I might if it was a big program 1:20:23.120 --> 1:20:24.960 with a lot of nil money, because I'd buy a 1:20:25.000 --> 1:20:28.000 lot of players, and I guarantee I could walk across 1:20:28.000 --> 1:20:30.120 when we play Nebraska. You know what I'd do after 1:20:30.160 --> 1:20:32.760 the game, I'd go find the two or three guys 1:20:32.760 --> 1:20:34.760 that aren't playing a lot that I like. I'd say, 1:20:34.760 --> 1:20:36.040 you know what, you got to get your ass out 1:20:36.080 --> 1:20:37.880 of here, come play. I would do a good job 1:20:37.880 --> 1:20:42.639 of that. I can see my snake. But now I'm wired. 1:20:42.720 --> 1:20:45.559 I just I just am not wired. Like they're doing 1:20:45.640 --> 1:20:49.160 business now in college. I can't deal with a lot 1:20:49.160 --> 1:20:53.320 of this financial you know, paying you a million dollars 1:20:53.360 --> 1:20:56.920 in the weak side linebacker gets a hundred or this 1:20:56.960 --> 1:20:59.560 guy here, this guy gets nothing. I just have a 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:02.679 hard time. I'm with the salary structure and the whole 1:21:02.720 --> 1:21:03.800 overall operation. 1:21:04.000 --> 1:21:05.800 But that's just me. 1:21:05.960 --> 1:21:08.080 When you see a guy like Bill Belichick with the 1:21:08.320 --> 1:21:11.679 resume that he has, looking at UNC. Is it confirmed now? 1:21:11.880 --> 1:21:15.439 Is he now the Tar Hills head coach? 1:21:15.520 --> 1:21:18.360 He's willing to coach at the time we're recording this. 1:21:18.560 --> 1:21:21.639 The post that I saw was like the North Carolina 1:21:21.640 --> 1:21:24.439 Tar Hills they would know their decision within twenty four hours. 1:21:24.840 --> 1:21:28.439 With Bill Belichick coaching now in college? Like, what's your 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:29.559 thought process? Seeing that? 1:21:30.200 --> 1:21:33.000 I'm not really shocked as many people are. I think 1:21:33.040 --> 1:21:35.559 he's got a son who's a very good young coach. 1:21:36.000 --> 1:21:38.519 The opportunity to maybe bring your son with you at 1:21:38.560 --> 1:21:40.040 Chapel Hill, Chapel You guys have been. 1:21:40.000 --> 1:21:40.599 At Chapel Hill. 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:43.320 There's a lot of good stuff there. Man to go 1:21:43.400 --> 1:21:46.160 to Chapel Hill, you know, finish your coaching career with 1:21:46.200 --> 1:21:51.479 your son. Perhaps get the program back to where people say, wow, 1:21:51.520 --> 1:21:53.880 we got to play North Carolina and maybe someday have 1:21:53.920 --> 1:21:56.759 your son take over. Maybe that's something that's in the cards. 1:21:56.760 --> 1:21:59.519 I don't know. But he's got a new girlfriend. I 1:21:59.520 --> 1:22:02.479 see that all over the internet. Things don't ever stay 1:22:02.560 --> 1:22:05.000 the same. You either get better or worse, and I 1:22:05.040 --> 1:22:07.599 think Belichick might be looking for something a little different. 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:09.280 How would you like to live in New England for 1:22:09.320 --> 1:22:15.600 fifteen years? Girlfriend has some fun kick some ass and 1:22:16.080 --> 1:22:19.000 be with your son. You know, I think Belichick is 1:22:19.439 --> 1:22:22.719 capable of doing just about anything in football. He's already 1:22:22.720 --> 1:22:25.559 done it, and good for him if he chooses to 1:22:25.600 --> 1:22:28.000 get into the NC. How would you like that? Though, 1:22:28.000 --> 1:22:30.879 if you're coaching in the ACC, you're at Wake Forest 1:22:30.960 --> 1:22:33.400 or you're at Duke, you're the Miami Hurricanes, and you 1:22:33.439 --> 1:22:34.720 open up with Bill Belichick. 1:22:34.840 --> 1:22:40.080 I know, I was impressed how well he's done in 1:22:40.120 --> 1:22:42.800 the media this year. I did not think you heard, 1:22:42.800 --> 1:22:45.639 like Gronkowski and Edelman and Brady kind of like chirp 1:22:45.680 --> 1:22:47.400 about to talk about how bland he is and how 1:22:47.400 --> 1:22:47.920 he's kind of. 1:22:48.080 --> 1:22:49.160 Have to see it for fifteen years. 1:22:49.280 --> 1:22:50.960 Yeah, got to see it, just kind of talking to 1:22:50.960 --> 1:22:53.240 the media. Now he comes in, he's doing Manning cast, 1:22:53.280 --> 1:22:56.120 he's on Pat McAfee show, and he does an incredible job. 1:22:56.160 --> 1:22:56.840 Did you expect that? 1:22:57.520 --> 1:22:57.600 No? 1:22:57.760 --> 1:23:00.280 I really didn't. But as I said, I I don't 1:23:00.320 --> 1:23:02.960 know Bill Belichick like a lot of guys do. I 1:23:03.000 --> 1:23:05.639 don't hang around with the defensive guys. The offensive guys 1:23:05.680 --> 1:23:08.240 get on this bus. The defensive guys have always been 1:23:08.280 --> 1:23:10.559 on that bus. But I remember when I was coaching 1:23:10.560 --> 1:23:12.880 the Raiders, I got a call from Bill and he says, hey, 1:23:13.400 --> 1:23:16.360 I heard you like bon Jovi. My wife loves we 1:23:16.400 --> 1:23:18.559 love bon Jovi. I go, yeah, we really do. Like 1:23:18.880 --> 1:23:21.320 he's playing in San Jose Saturday night. You want to 1:23:21.320 --> 1:23:23.599 meet him and get two tickets? I say, hell yeah. 1:23:23.880 --> 1:23:28.600 So I've always been indebted to Bill Belichick. He's a 1:23:28.640 --> 1:23:31.360 cool guy, man. I mean, he is a really cool guy, 1:23:31.439 --> 1:23:35.120 and I just think it's exciting at his age to 1:23:35.240 --> 1:23:38.960 reinvent himself and come back, perhaps as a college coach 1:23:39.000 --> 1:23:39.880 says a lot about him. 1:23:40.000 --> 1:23:43.960 Yeah, you talk about you have this football facility in Tampa. 1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:46.360 What does your week look like like? When do you 1:23:46.400 --> 1:23:48.960 wake up? How is your routine on a day to day? Yeah? 1:23:48.960 --> 1:23:51.280 I got to have a routine, you know, Monday through Sunday. 1:23:51.320 --> 1:23:53.040 I have to have a routine. I always did as 1:23:53.040 --> 1:23:56.680 a coach. But Monday, I really like to go in 1:23:56.720 --> 1:23:59.479 there and look for my grinders, studying and looking at 1:23:59.479 --> 1:24:04.360 the Sunday the games, the statistics, the playtime percentages, who 1:24:04.360 --> 1:24:07.600 did what? My tapes really come in Tuesday morning. So 1:24:07.760 --> 1:24:10.479 Monday I'm kind of you know, getting my boards ready. 1:24:10.600 --> 1:24:12.840 You know, who really played well in third down? Who 1:24:12.840 --> 1:24:15.759 had the best scoring game? I want to see those games. 1:24:15.760 --> 1:24:18.479 How did Russell Wilson throw for four hundred yards? I 1:24:18.479 --> 1:24:20.320 can't wait till the tape comes in. But I kind 1:24:20.320 --> 1:24:23.760 of set up my Tuesday film study based on what 1:24:23.840 --> 1:24:26.679 I see Monday, and then Tuesdays like an all day. 1:24:27.160 --> 1:24:30.040 That's why it's crazy. I'm here flying out on Tuesday. 1:24:30.080 --> 1:24:33.320 I couldn't get to my tapes, man, you know. Then 1:24:33.360 --> 1:24:36.080 Wednesday I try to work on my presentation. I believe, 1:24:36.400 --> 1:24:39.240 you got to do the preparation. You gotta study the 1:24:39.280 --> 1:24:41.720 tapes for me to say this guy's playing good. I 1:24:41.800 --> 1:24:44.120 want to see that he's playing good. If this guy's 1:24:44.160 --> 1:24:46.720 playing bad you read about I got to see he's struggling, 1:24:46.760 --> 1:24:49.559 you know. But I do the preparation. Then on Wednesday, 1:24:49.600 --> 1:24:53.280 I start the presentation, start to send out my boards 1:24:53.320 --> 1:24:55.280 you know who I like, and I draw all my 1:24:55.400 --> 1:24:59.160 stuff up. And then Thursday I get into some behind 1:24:59.200 --> 1:25:02.439 the scenes things. I like to study red zone, just 1:25:02.479 --> 1:25:06.360 different short yardage things, different running backs, just different things. 1:25:06.680 --> 1:25:09.800 But I love to study three hard days and then 1:25:09.880 --> 1:25:11.640 I do like to get out on Friday. If I 1:25:11.680 --> 1:25:12.760 can't hit the golf. 1:25:12.520 --> 1:25:14.880 Ball, Yeah, what time? Been waking up throughout the week. 1:25:14.920 --> 1:25:17.120 I get up early, four thirty five o'clock, not like 1:25:17.160 --> 1:25:20.439 I used to. But my office is right down the street, 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:21.960 half a mile from my house. 1:25:22.040 --> 1:25:23.600 So let me just pause you for a second. You 1:25:23.640 --> 1:25:25.479 said four to thirty five o'clock, now like I used to. 1:25:25.560 --> 1:25:26.479 What did you used to get up? 1:25:26.520 --> 1:25:28.840 I see up three o'clock three seventeen every day. Three 1:25:28.960 --> 1:25:30.240 seventeen was my number? 1:25:30.720 --> 1:25:31.360 Really? Yeah? 1:25:31.840 --> 1:25:32.880 What time would you go to bed? 1:25:33.160 --> 1:25:34.439 I go to bed early. I go to bed at 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:36.679 nine thirty ten o'clock. I try to be in bed 1:25:36.720 --> 1:25:38.600 by ten ten, ten o'clock the latest. 1:25:38.320 --> 1:25:40.800 Said ten ten. That is that's wild? 1:25:40.960 --> 1:25:42.960 What is that? What are the hours look like when 1:25:43.000 --> 1:25:45.400 you are the head coach? Are you there till midnight 1:25:45.439 --> 1:25:46.439 and waking up it? No? 1:25:46.600 --> 1:25:49.040 I could never do it at night. And I didn't 1:25:49.040 --> 1:25:51.120 want my coaches to feel like they had to come 1:25:51.120 --> 1:25:53.000 in at three o'clock or four o'clock. I didn't want 1:25:53.000 --> 1:25:56.040 them to feel like that at all. But I had 1:25:56.080 --> 1:25:59.920 to get in there early. Nobody bothering you, nobody's bitching, 1:26:00.040 --> 1:26:03.320 nobody's phones ringing. I had to focus my concentration on 1:26:03.360 --> 1:26:05.720 the scripts, you know, the cards you got to draw, 1:26:05.760 --> 1:26:10.080 the cards, the tip sheets for the quarterbacks and you know, 1:26:10.160 --> 1:26:12.160 I try to get out when the work is done. 1:26:12.560 --> 1:26:14.320 You know, I did not want to be in there 1:26:14.360 --> 1:26:14.720 all night. 1:26:14.760 --> 1:26:14.880 Now. 1:26:14.880 --> 1:26:16.760 When I worked for the Raiders, Al Davis was a 1:26:16.840 --> 1:26:19.000 night guy, so I would be a morning guy and 1:26:19.120 --> 1:26:21.640 Al would come in at seven o'clock at night. He 1:26:21.680 --> 1:26:24.080 almost killed me that first year. Finally I said, hey, 1:26:24.400 --> 1:26:25.639 something's got to give, man. 1:26:25.680 --> 1:26:26.559 I just can't. 1:26:26.720 --> 1:26:29.000 I can't stay in here till midnight. 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We 1:27:34.680 --> 1:27:38.400 had fun, like we weren't having the best season, went 1:27:38.439 --> 1:27:42.639 out on a decent note defensively, and Coach Groom brings 1:27:42.640 --> 1:27:45.160 me in for an exit meeting, you know, not like 1:27:45.200 --> 1:27:47.320 the nil exit meetings where it's like, hey, you gotta 1:27:47.320 --> 1:27:49.040 pay me this or I'm not coming back. But he 1:27:49.080 --> 1:27:50.320 brings me in on an exit meeting. 1:27:50.720 --> 1:27:54.479 Coach Green's like I need Will Compton back, Like you're 1:27:54.520 --> 1:27:56.559 not going to be a Hall of Famer, You're not 1:27:56.600 --> 1:27:58.600 gonna be a pro bowler. I'm sitting there in my 1:27:58.640 --> 1:28:00.760 head like I mean I'm still playing, and like, yeah, 1:28:00.840 --> 1:28:03.600 I understand I can't be a I probably won't be 1:28:03.600 --> 1:28:06.200 a pro bowler, but I can still aspire myself a 1:28:06.240 --> 1:28:06.679 little bit. 1:28:06.560 --> 1:28:08.639 Of juice and still could be a pro bowler. 1:28:08.720 --> 1:28:13.800 Thought that right, right right, He's like, I want you around. 1:28:13.840 --> 1:28:15.880 We need more. Will Compton's on the team, and I 1:28:15.880 --> 1:28:18.439 don't know what's gonna happen in free agency, YadA, YadA, YadA, 1:28:18.479 --> 1:28:20.559 because I got to play and start like three games 1:28:20.600 --> 1:28:22.840 there at the end, which I'm thinking in my head 1:28:23.120 --> 1:28:24.879 when I went out there and I did my workout, 1:28:25.080 --> 1:28:27.519 I was on the squad, I was in the backup, 1:28:27.520 --> 1:28:29.280 all was special teams. I was starting in base that 1:28:29.320 --> 1:28:32.200 fucking first week. Right, Coach grew comes up. He's like, hey, 1:28:32.240 --> 1:28:33.640 just don't even think out there. Go out there and 1:28:33.680 --> 1:28:36.439 make plays that fun. I love you, man, that's awesome. 1:28:37.200 --> 1:28:40.120 Who would you play first week? The Lions will play 1:28:40.120 --> 1:28:43.519 the Lions the first week, and uh so I ended 1:28:43.560 --> 1:28:46.000 up taking over the job finishing out those three games, 1:28:46.720 --> 1:28:48.439 and so I'm thinking of my head, I thought I 1:28:48.479 --> 1:28:50.160 was coming out there to kind of finish out my career, like, 1:28:50.400 --> 1:28:51.840 let me go out there. I'll go out on a bang, 1:28:51.880 --> 1:28:54.920 have some fun before the boys, bring some merchandise, promote busting, 1:28:55.400 --> 1:28:57.800 and just have a good time because the stress is 1:28:57.840 --> 1:28:59.800 off of Like I felt like my career was kind 1:28:59.800 --> 1:29:02.400 of done after I got injured with the Saints, and 1:29:02.439 --> 1:29:03.800 so it's like, oh, okay, I get to go out 1:29:03.800 --> 1:29:05.320 here and play like I'm just gonna go out fun 1:29:05.360 --> 1:29:07.519 and play finish off playing the game that I started loving. 1:29:08.160 --> 1:29:09.880 And so when I played those three games, I'm thinking 1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:11.559 in my head like maybe I might get a little 1:29:11.760 --> 1:29:13.280 Maybe I might get a little something I knew. I 1:29:13.320 --> 1:29:15.240 bought myself a year or two just because I got 1:29:15.240 --> 1:29:17.320 to play again. I got to have some film. But 1:29:17.360 --> 1:29:19.879 they're going to recruit me. They pay fifty million dollars 1:29:19.920 --> 1:29:24.160 to like little ten and Kwaikowski, great linebackers, good linebackers. 1:29:24.160 --> 1:29:26.000 But I'm thinking in my head, like, you know, I 1:29:26.040 --> 1:29:27.840 thought I might get a little bit of I thought 1:29:27.840 --> 1:29:29.559 I might get a little bit of coin two or three. 1:29:29.640 --> 1:29:31.920 Yeah, a lot guaranteed money is what he wanted. 1:29:32.080 --> 1:29:33.000 Yeah, everyone does. 1:29:33.040 --> 1:29:33.720 Every player does. 1:29:33.960 --> 1:29:36.040 What I'm gonna interest it in, though, is I have 1:29:36.080 --> 1:29:39.519 this philosophy. It's called RCEE. You should get a hat 1:29:39.560 --> 1:29:44.360 and put RCEE on it. Recognition Communication execution. I think 1:29:44.400 --> 1:29:46.360 you got to have it at quarterback. The guy's got 1:29:46.360 --> 1:29:49.920 to recognize the defense and then communicate the lion call, 1:29:50.080 --> 1:29:52.679 the audible whatever, And that's gonna lead to high levels 1:29:52.720 --> 1:29:55.600 of execution. The thing I loved about Will is he 1:29:55.640 --> 1:29:59.439 could recognize the offense, he could recognize the situation, and 1:29:59.479 --> 1:30:02.600 he could communicate better than most guys I've seen at linebacker. 1:30:02.680 --> 1:30:05.000 He was a sharp guy, and that would lead to 1:30:05.080 --> 1:30:07.840 higher levels of execution. A lot of the yards you 1:30:07.920 --> 1:30:13.840 see are bullshit yards, bad tackling, bad defensive entry mistakes, 1:30:14.360 --> 1:30:17.760 a lack of recognition, a lack of communication. And if 1:30:17.800 --> 1:30:21.720 we can have that piece and a secure piece, that's 1:30:21.760 --> 1:30:24.000 what I was really after. But you were, let's be 1:30:24.080 --> 1:30:26.360 honest here, you could come out with that smiley face, 1:30:26.400 --> 1:30:30.240 with that microphone. You wanted guaranteed money, and I can't 1:30:30.240 --> 1:30:33.160 blame the guys go out to California and play football. 1:30:33.240 --> 1:30:33.439 You know. 1:30:33.680 --> 1:30:34.200 Vegas. 1:30:35.000 --> 1:30:37.799 Yeah, that was the first year transferring, transitioning to Vegas 1:30:38.040 --> 1:30:39.760 because they had offered I had a minimum on the 1:30:39.800 --> 1:30:41.840 table with no signing bonus, which is like the games, 1:30:41.880 --> 1:30:43.559 the game. There was no market for me. So they 1:30:43.680 --> 1:30:45.000 were in a spot to where it's like, I mean, 1:30:45.000 --> 1:30:47.240 nothing else is out there for you. We'll offer you this, 1:30:47.360 --> 1:30:50.240 And you know, I got PG calling me. He's like 1:30:50.760 --> 1:30:53.240 explaining everything, he's like, and Coach Grud's like, I just 1:30:53.280 --> 1:30:55.320 want you around. I want to see you. I want 1:30:55.360 --> 1:30:57.080 them to see you communicate all this stuff. You don't 1:30:57.080 --> 1:30:58.960 have to practice, you don't have to do this. And 1:30:59.000 --> 1:31:01.759 I'm thinking to myself, like, I just came out there 1:31:01.920 --> 1:31:04.400 as a minimum player and proved that I could play 1:31:04.479 --> 1:31:06.720 like the week of the game, like I can do 1:31:06.760 --> 1:31:08.360 the same exact thing, and I put where in turn 1:31:08.400 --> 1:31:10.280 of my body for training camp, right, And I'm telling 1:31:10.320 --> 1:31:13.679 this always trading camp with you. It was always just yeah, 1:31:13.680 --> 1:31:15.960 it was always training camp. And PG was like, can 1:31:16.000 --> 1:31:18.200 you call coach Gruden and tell him the same stuff 1:31:18.200 --> 1:31:20.040 because he's coming in. He's like, how are we signing 1:31:20.240 --> 1:31:24.080 Prince of Mukamaru and Nelson Aguilar and Will won't come 1:31:24.120 --> 1:31:26.760 out here to the Raiders. I'm like, yeah, I'll be 1:31:26.800 --> 1:31:29.160 happy to talk to him. I called coach Coach Gruden 1:31:29.160 --> 1:31:30.920 and I think he was just finishing a workout. It 1:31:31.000 --> 1:31:32.400 sounded like he was sweating a little bit. He's like, 1:31:32.479 --> 1:31:36.800 Will Compton. He's like, you're harder to sign than Keyshawn Johnson. Man, 1:31:36.840 --> 1:31:38.599 how do we get you out here to the Raiders? 1:31:38.600 --> 1:31:40.960 And I'm thinking, yeah, I bet you over Keyshawn Johnson 1:31:41.200 --> 1:31:43.200 more than a minimum and a Subway gift card and 1:31:43.240 --> 1:31:46.719 we're like bantering, laughing back and forth, and uh yeah, 1:31:46.800 --> 1:31:48.880 I always loved that story. I couldn't wait to tell 1:31:48.920 --> 1:31:50.920 my old man because he's always been a massive fan 1:31:50.960 --> 1:31:54.240 of football in yourself. But that's my like recruiting story 1:31:54.280 --> 1:31:57.760 with coach Cruden. You're harder to sign than Key Shawn Johnson. Man, 1:31:57.760 --> 1:31:59.720 I'm like, well, fuck, he mean he's getting it. I'm 1:31:59.760 --> 1:32:00.920 sure paid him some money. 1:32:01.000 --> 1:32:03.720 Yeah, you had some characters in that Raiders team. What 1:32:03.800 --> 1:32:07.479 was your interactions like with Richie Incognito? Love him, great guy. 1:32:07.760 --> 1:32:11.000 Incognito is out of football, he had the episode with Miami. 1:32:11.439 --> 1:32:13.640 He's out of the league, and we brought him in 1:32:13.720 --> 1:32:16.720 for a workout and we have the Cones set up. 1:32:16.720 --> 1:32:19.479 We got Tom Cable, really good line coach been with 1:32:19.520 --> 1:32:23.080 Seattle a long time. And Incognito comes out and he's 1:32:23.120 --> 1:32:26.519 listening to Tom Cable tell him what he wants him 1:32:26.520 --> 1:32:29.759 to do. He wants him to hop basically the first 1:32:29.800 --> 1:32:33.760 ten yards Karaoka, do a couple other things just to 1:32:33.800 --> 1:32:37.760 showcase his athleticism and his you know, his whatever. How 1:32:37.800 --> 1:32:41.880 he can bend and twist. Incognito goes around the thing 1:32:41.960 --> 1:32:45.280 one time, half speed, and cable goes. I've seen enough. Really, 1:32:45.320 --> 1:32:47.639 he's a great at Incognito is a really good apt 1:32:47.760 --> 1:32:50.640 people do with that. He went to Nebraska. He's a 1:32:50.640 --> 1:32:54.640 little full of shit like Compton, but you know, he 1:32:54.800 --> 1:32:58.840 has the it factor that we needed. He had the nastiness, 1:32:58.880 --> 1:33:02.280 he had the he has the Taylor Luwan personality. He's 1:33:02.360 --> 1:33:05.400 very outgoing. He's not afraid to say something. He'll make 1:33:05.439 --> 1:33:08.120 you laugh, he'll piss you off. He had everything we 1:33:08.160 --> 1:33:10.719 needed at Guard and he could pull on the power 1:33:10.760 --> 1:33:14.640 plays and it just he has a great ability to 1:33:14.640 --> 1:33:17.320 get out on screens. But I love being around him. 1:33:17.320 --> 1:33:19.360 He comes to Tampa, we played golf a little bit. 1:33:19.800 --> 1:33:22.320 He likes my wife. My wife's about this tall, and 1:33:23.400 --> 1:33:26.679 he's been through a lot in his life. But he's 1:33:26.720 --> 1:33:29.800 he's he's really a character. We had Vontez Perfect, we 1:33:29.880 --> 1:33:33.479 had traded for Antonio Brown. They put us on hard knocks. 1:33:33.920 --> 1:33:37.360 What a collection I was assembly you guys, Yes, I 1:33:37.400 --> 1:33:41.000 was trying to bring back the old Raiders eighty Raiders. 1:33:41.120 --> 1:33:42.200 You did it. How was it? 1:33:42.240 --> 1:33:44.800 What was it like having Perfect and Ab on the 1:33:44.840 --> 1:33:49.080 same team, Because obviously there's a whole thing about CTESPN 1:33:49.160 --> 1:33:51.360 that AB's doing and you see that hit, that perfect 1:33:51.360 --> 1:33:54.519 put on ab like was there ever? Did you have 1:33:54.560 --> 1:33:55.200 to make amends there? 1:33:55.520 --> 1:33:58.800 I never got around Antonio enough. You know, Antonio showed 1:33:58.840 --> 1:34:01.519 up on a hot air balloon. He had his feet fried, 1:34:01.600 --> 1:34:04.040 he had cryo therapy. I never even heard of croywd therapy. 1:34:04.520 --> 1:34:06.360 And he had an issue with his helmet. He wasn't 1:34:06.400 --> 1:34:09.280 happy the NFL wouldn't let him wear his helmet. So 1:34:09.320 --> 1:34:12.160 we really never got him around the guys very much. 1:34:12.280 --> 1:34:15.639 I didn't have very much interaction with him at all. Really, 1:34:15.680 --> 1:34:18.280 one of the most frustrating things in my coaching career 1:34:18.640 --> 1:34:21.680 was not getting him to play for us. We had 1:34:21.720 --> 1:34:23.360 a mini camp. I tell you, we had a mini 1:34:23.400 --> 1:34:26.240 camp back in Oakland. He put on a display. He 1:34:26.280 --> 1:34:28.840 took some of our routes that we like to call lookies. 1:34:29.200 --> 1:34:32.080 I got all these words. He made the routes look 1:34:32.160 --> 1:34:35.080 better than anybody I've ever seen. His conditioning was sick. 1:34:35.400 --> 1:34:37.720 If we didn't have a fence around the field, he 1:34:37.800 --> 1:34:40.200 might have got killed by a car. Because he finishes everything. 1:34:40.320 --> 1:34:43.000 He'll run one hundred miles an hour. I thought. I 1:34:43.040 --> 1:34:45.479 went home and got hammered. One night after mini camp. 1:34:45.560 --> 1:34:47.000 I told my wife and said, We're going to complete 1:34:47.000 --> 1:34:50.120 every pass. That's how good this guy looked. He was phenomenal, 1:34:50.320 --> 1:34:53.360 and unfortunately I never got him for one freaking game. 1:34:53.760 --> 1:34:56.920 What's the conversation with Mayok when they're like you like, hey, 1:34:56.960 --> 1:34:58.760 what's the problem with ab And they're like, doesn't like 1:34:58.760 --> 1:35:02.600 his helmet? His feet were fried from CROWFD therapy. What 1:35:02.880 --> 1:35:05.920 are those upstairs conversations like when you're trying to deal 1:35:05.920 --> 1:35:06.479 with a guy like that. 1:35:06.520 --> 1:35:08.880 Well, Mike was a new GM too, so a lot 1:35:08.880 --> 1:35:11.839 of this stuff is his first time and experience. 1:35:12.280 --> 1:35:13.000 It was. 1:35:13.080 --> 1:35:14.719 It was a rough deal and you're on hard knocks. 1:35:15.600 --> 1:35:17.960 Then he got vontez Berfeckt. But the two of those guys, 1:35:18.040 --> 1:35:20.439 they they mixed pretty good. They kind of laughed with 1:35:20.439 --> 1:35:23.280 one another, and Richie was kind of like the third 1:35:23.320 --> 1:35:28.640 part of the party. Those conversations were great. How you 1:35:28.640 --> 1:35:31.000 talk about busting with the boys, you should see some 1:35:31.040 --> 1:35:33.479 of the boys I bust with. But I I always 1:35:33.600 --> 1:35:36.599 felt this, if you have football character on your team, 1:35:37.000 --> 1:35:39.640 and we felt our coaching staff. You know, we had 1:35:39.680 --> 1:35:42.800 Derek Carr, we had some really good veteran players, good 1:35:42.800 --> 1:35:46.200 football character. Let's bring in some characters. So we bring 1:35:46.240 --> 1:35:49.599 in Perfick. You know, Perfect really is. He's a great guy, 1:35:49.760 --> 1:35:52.320 and he's a smart guy. He just knocks the shit 1:35:52.360 --> 1:35:54.639 out of you. And what's wrong with that? I mean 1:35:55.160 --> 1:35:58.200 that's my feeling. And uh, I think if you do 1:35:58.360 --> 1:36:00.720 have the character in play, so you can bring in 1:36:00.760 --> 1:36:03.920 some characters and have some fun. And Richie Incognito is 1:36:03.920 --> 1:36:07.519 a great guy. Don't don't don't kid yourself on Perfect either. 1:36:07.560 --> 1:36:09.519 He's really smart and he's really a hell of a guy. 1:36:09.520 --> 1:36:14.719 He's misunderstood perhaps by some. And I really enjoyed Antonio Brown. 1:36:14.800 --> 1:36:16.679 I mean, hell, he he went out with my son. 1:36:17.040 --> 1:36:19.040 He cut a song. They got a song out there. 1:36:19.080 --> 1:36:20.320 I'm not even gonna tell you the name. 1:36:21.479 --> 1:36:23.679 We gotta find that song. 1:36:23.720 --> 1:36:25.920 Sure will definitely find that thing before day's end. 1:36:26.400 --> 1:36:29.320 And even on Incognito too, like he was he was 1:36:29.760 --> 1:36:31.360 how old was he? He was like the oldest player 1:36:31.360 --> 1:36:35.240 of fours and he was a pro. I'm talking about 1:36:35.360 --> 1:36:37.640 like whenever practice with any at the massage therapists, I'd 1:36:37.680 --> 1:36:39.320 be coming in the needle and he'd begin done like 1:36:39.360 --> 1:36:41.800 somebody who like took care of his body around the clock. 1:36:42.320 --> 1:36:45.120 And working out with him in Arizona. He is a 1:36:45.120 --> 1:36:48.040 guy that like doesn't necessarily look like an athlete, but 1:36:48.200 --> 1:36:51.000 is truly athletic, Like he has all the pieces of 1:36:51.000 --> 1:36:52.040 an office line you would want. 1:36:52.040 --> 1:36:55.320 He's stout too, Incognito, Yeah, I mean, we remember the 1:36:55.400 --> 1:36:58.040 COVID where you can't have meetings with the players in person, 1:36:58.120 --> 1:37:00.960 so we would have zoom meetings, so you would see 1:37:01.000 --> 1:37:04.479 all the players on their little corner. You'd be having 1:37:04.520 --> 1:37:07.439 an offensive line meeting and you'd see the fifteen offensive line. 1:37:07.560 --> 1:37:09.760 You have a team meeting, and you could see a 1:37:09.760 --> 1:37:12.680 lot of the faces. So I remember Incognito one time 1:37:12.680 --> 1:37:15.160 I took all his clothes off, was walking around in 1:37:15.200 --> 1:37:18.519 his garage. You know, he just did things that were 1:37:18.640 --> 1:37:22.599 so off the wall hilarious. Uh, to keep everybody laughing. 1:37:23.160 --> 1:37:24.120 God bless that guy. 1:37:25.000 --> 1:37:25.519 Killer man. 1:37:25.920 --> 1:37:28.439 Yeah, he has an aged a bit that face. 1:37:28.560 --> 1:37:29.880 You got to see him hit a golf ball. 1:37:30.400 --> 1:37:33.200 He can play. He's an athlete. Is he is an athlete? 1:37:33.200 --> 1:37:35.360 Man, He's the wrong person to get on the bad 1:37:35.439 --> 1:37:37.599 side with the football field. He was one of those 1:37:37.920 --> 1:37:40.720 dudes that was a menace on just field goal. I 1:37:40.800 --> 1:37:43.480 was trying to finish you on field Oh yeah, oh yeah. 1:37:43.720 --> 1:37:45.479 Yeah, man, I wouldn't want to wouldn't want to deal 1:37:45.520 --> 1:37:45.840 with that. 1:37:46.240 --> 1:37:47.960 You want to get him going to hopefully you draw 1:37:48.000 --> 1:37:48.360 a penalty. 1:37:48.400 --> 1:37:50.000 I wish I was able to play with him. I 1:37:50.040 --> 1:37:51.519 would I would have loved to play. I think that 1:37:51.720 --> 1:37:53.400 he was with Buffalo for a minute. There was a 1:37:53.439 --> 1:37:55.559 little bit of talk about him coming to the Titans, 1:37:56.040 --> 1:37:57.960 and I was like, man, that'd be awesome to play 1:37:58.040 --> 1:37:59.120 right next to him for a year. 1:38:00.120 --> 1:38:02.640 Aggreation this you you played, You played one of the 1:38:02.680 --> 1:38:06.080 toughest positions. There are, man who who are some of 1:38:06.120 --> 1:38:10.000 the guys now that play left tackle that you look 1:38:10.040 --> 1:38:12.519 at and say, he's really good? Who are they? 1:38:12.600 --> 1:38:13.080 These days? 1:38:13.240 --> 1:38:15.599 It's easy to say Trent Williams, he's not playing right now. 1:38:15.680 --> 1:38:17.360 Yeah, Well, Trent to me is I think is the 1:38:17.360 --> 1:38:20.160 greatest of all time. I think he is from an 1:38:20.200 --> 1:38:23.880 athletic standpoint, from a strength standpoint understanding, because with the 1:38:23.880 --> 1:38:25.920 offensive line, like you're playing every single snap of the 1:38:25.960 --> 1:38:28.160 game and they say to go hard every single play. 1:38:28.400 --> 1:38:30.640 He is a true understanding of like, if you're the 1:38:30.640 --> 1:38:34.080 backside on power and you're doing a hinge like you 1:38:34.080 --> 1:38:36.000 you have a very easy job. You take care of 1:38:36.040 --> 1:38:37.760 the big gap, you wing out, the end's coming down, 1:38:37.800 --> 1:38:39.960 you just block him out. Real quick, so he he 1:38:40.000 --> 1:38:42.080 does a great job of picking and chooses his times 1:38:42.120 --> 1:38:44.479 to attack in the game. A guy that I like, 1:38:44.560 --> 1:38:47.640 I love his feet is Lamry Tunzel. I know we 1:38:47.680 --> 1:38:50.720 talked about Houston having some struggles, but I think his 1:38:50.960 --> 1:38:53.760 feet or maybe the best feet of it I've ever seen. 1:38:53.800 --> 1:38:58.280 I think Ronnie Stanley, he's got a poetic movement about 1:38:58.320 --> 1:39:00.599 him when he's in his past set, he's he's very 1:39:00.640 --> 1:39:04.240 smooth and a guy that who's who was injured and 1:39:04.280 --> 1:39:05.960 has now come back and I played with him. Jack 1:39:06.000 --> 1:39:09.000 Conklin talk about a guy that has zero technique, has 1:39:09.120 --> 1:39:11.840 zero fundamentals when it comes to playing the position, but 1:39:11.960 --> 1:39:14.639 just always gets the job done. I like those guys 1:39:14.680 --> 1:39:15.120 quite a bit. 1:39:15.160 --> 1:39:16.840 They got a guy in Tampa. I really like this, 1:39:16.960 --> 1:39:17.839 Tristan Wurfs. 1:39:17.840 --> 1:39:19.120 Oh my god, yeah, Tristan. 1:39:19.280 --> 1:39:20.479 He's a power player. 1:39:21.680 --> 1:39:23.720 Have you seen have you seen the video and he 1:39:23.800 --> 1:39:25.960 was coming out for the drafts jumping out of the pool. 1:39:26.000 --> 1:39:27.040 Who can do that? 1:39:26.680 --> 1:39:28.960 That that type of power is just different. And then 1:39:29.000 --> 1:39:30.600 we talked about him too. Is Joe al I like 1:39:30.680 --> 1:39:32.760 Joe Alt quite a bit too, Like a young guy 1:39:32.800 --> 1:39:36.160 who's found his way on a run heavy offense that 1:39:36.280 --> 1:39:37.360 I'm a big fan. 1:39:37.240 --> 1:39:40.280 Of and embracing the move. The right tackle. Yeah, because 1:39:40.280 --> 1:39:42.040 you're talking about that, like you know some guys that 1:39:42.120 --> 1:39:43.720 he was telling you at the draft he didn't want 1:39:43.720 --> 1:39:43.960 to play. 1:39:45.360 --> 1:39:49.720 Yeah, that is that's incredible. It's wild how Iowa gets 1:39:49.720 --> 1:39:51.880 these offensive lineman, man, I. 1:39:51.880 --> 1:39:53.320 Know, and then white cornerbacks. 1:39:54.880 --> 1:39:58.240 Yeah, the uh and then Micah Beckton was it Mikeah Beckton, 1:39:58.320 --> 1:39:59.240 That's who we were talking about. 1:39:59.320 --> 1:40:03.479 Mackay beck the left tackle. He's out of Louisville. He 1:40:03.479 --> 1:40:05.120 he you know, he goes to New York and the 1:40:05.160 --> 1:40:07.320 media gets on him and they let him go, and 1:40:07.760 --> 1:40:09.960 he gets with the right coach and reinvents them, puts 1:40:10.000 --> 1:40:11.120 him in there right guard. 1:40:11.840 --> 1:40:15.320 It's it's really important for these the position groups at 1:40:15.360 --> 1:40:17.519 all times. I'm sure it's important for everywhere, but for 1:40:17.600 --> 1:40:21.439 an offensive line coach, especially because you got DB's and 1:40:21.880 --> 1:40:24.120 they're all like, they're not playing as one unit. They 1:40:24.160 --> 1:40:26.080 all have their own jobs. So might being zoned. So 1:40:26.160 --> 1:40:29.120 might be a man you're playing two high, one high, 1:40:29.160 --> 1:40:31.040 and then receivers. You have all your different routes. But 1:40:31.040 --> 1:40:33.240 with an offensive line, it's like, truly all five guys 1:40:33.280 --> 1:40:35.479 have to be on the same page. With what everybody's doing. 1:40:35.760 --> 1:40:37.680 That's just such a different job. You need a good 1:40:37.680 --> 1:40:40.479 offensive line coach to be successful. You gotta have it. 1:40:40.720 --> 1:40:44.080 Oh my god, that's that's probably the most important higher. Yeah, 1:40:44.240 --> 1:40:46.680 if you're the head coach, your defensive coordinator, and your 1:40:46.720 --> 1:40:49.400 line coach, you know you got to you gotta get 1:40:49.439 --> 1:40:51.639 somebody that can be the sixth man that can play 1:40:51.680 --> 1:40:55.360 both guards and center, a swing tackle. Those are tough jobs. Man. 1:40:55.479 --> 1:40:58.360 What were those conversations like with the swing guys when 1:40:58.400 --> 1:41:00.240 you're saying you have a guy like me, was a 1:41:00.240 --> 1:41:02.400 guy that only played left I couldn't you put me 1:41:02.439 --> 1:41:04.400 in a right handed stance. I'm as worth as the 1:41:04.400 --> 1:41:05.719 football player as you'll ever see. 1:41:05.720 --> 1:41:07.640 Well, I think the good line coach, Well, you're the 1:41:07.720 --> 1:41:10.200 left tackle. You're you're the highest paid left tack. We're 1:41:10.200 --> 1:41:12.160 not going to talk about you for a minute. But 1:41:12.280 --> 1:41:15.040 other guys on the practice field. Bill Callahan was my 1:41:15.120 --> 1:41:18.880 line coach for a long time. He's currently with the Titans. Yeah, 1:41:19.040 --> 1:41:21.000 Son's the head coach. But he would go out on 1:41:21.040 --> 1:41:24.400 the practice field and we'd have Lwan playing right guard. 1:41:24.439 --> 1:41:25.639 I'm like, Bill, what the hell are you doing? 1:41:27.160 --> 1:41:27.280 You know? 1:41:27.320 --> 1:41:29.960 And then we got Luwan's playing right tackle two days later. 1:41:30.000 --> 1:41:33.880 But my point is he would create your versatility. He 1:41:33.920 --> 1:41:36.639 would force you to get in a right handed stance, 1:41:36.680 --> 1:41:38.880 a left handed stance, a two point stance, a four 1:41:38.920 --> 1:41:41.280 point stance. And I think you have to have a 1:41:41.320 --> 1:41:45.040 line coach and a backup line coach who studies a 1:41:45.080 --> 1:41:47.719 play side the backside. It's always on your ass every 1:41:47.760 --> 1:41:51.280 second of the day. Those are what the great ones do, 1:41:51.479 --> 1:41:53.600 you know? And I think, as you said, that's a 1:41:53.680 --> 1:41:56.439 key part of being a great lineman, as who's coaching 1:41:56.479 --> 1:41:58.120 you With Rabel. 1:41:58.200 --> 1:42:00.400 Rabel was always a guy that would just find his 1:42:00.439 --> 1:42:02.519 way into the offensive line room and it would just 1:42:02.560 --> 1:42:04.519 tell us how to block. I having no idea how 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:06.679 to block offensive line. He just like just getting away 1:42:06.720 --> 1:42:08.280 all you have to do. You don't just position block 1:42:08.360 --> 1:42:10.120 this guy. Were you ever a guy that would just 1:42:10.160 --> 1:42:12.000 wander into position groups and just hang out for a 1:42:12.040 --> 1:42:12.400 little bit. 1:42:12.760 --> 1:42:15.920 Not really. I was pretty much always on the offensive side, 1:42:15.960 --> 1:42:18.120 you know, but I would try to reach out to 1:42:18.160 --> 1:42:21.040 the defensive guys later in the week. I always had 1:42:21.040 --> 1:42:23.120 a lot of respect for our past rushers. You know, 1:42:23.479 --> 1:42:25.760 we have to have a fourth quarter pass rush or 1:42:25.800 --> 1:42:27.720 we got no chance That's why I can't wait to 1:42:27.760 --> 1:42:32.160 see these playoffs Warren sapp Simme and Rice. You have 1:42:32.280 --> 1:42:35.000 to have guys that can close you out. And that's 1:42:35.000 --> 1:42:37.280 why I love the forty nine ers if Bosa plays. 1:42:37.320 --> 1:42:40.280 But now without Bosa, without Armstead, they don't have that 1:42:40.280 --> 1:42:41.479 fourth quarter pass rush. 1:42:41.600 --> 1:42:41.760 Yeah. 1:42:41.800 --> 1:42:43.920 That's why the Chiefs can win the Super Bowl every 1:42:43.960 --> 1:42:46.040 year because they do have a great coach and a 1:42:46.040 --> 1:42:46.920 great quarterback. 1:42:47.160 --> 1:42:47.800 But they got a. 1:42:47.720 --> 1:42:49.960 Fourth quarter pass rush man. Yeah, and if you have 1:42:50.080 --> 1:42:51.800 those three, you have to have those three elements I 1:42:51.840 --> 1:42:54.360 think to win it. But I was always interested in 1:42:54.439 --> 1:42:57.200 the game plan of our past rushers. What are you 1:42:57.200 --> 1:42:59.320 gonna do to Luan? You know, what are you gonna 1:42:59.320 --> 1:43:01.720 do to Luwan? But as you know, you don't want 1:43:01.720 --> 1:43:03.519 to be in third and seven. You don't want to 1:43:03.520 --> 1:43:05.559 have a lot of third days, you know. And when 1:43:05.640 --> 1:43:07.640 you do get the third and seven, you gotta be 1:43:07.680 --> 1:43:09.680 careful as a play caller to make sure we have 1:43:09.760 --> 1:43:12.479 a chip over there. We got somebody nudging the guy 1:43:13.040 --> 1:43:15.439 quick game screens. You got to do some things to 1:43:15.479 --> 1:43:18.600 help these guys because in the noise against some of 1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:21.240 these guys, it's a bitch. It's a hard job. 1:43:21.280 --> 1:43:23.639 You got You've either got to chip these guys, slide 1:43:23.640 --> 1:43:25.960 to the most dangerous pass rusher, or have a quarterback 1:43:26.000 --> 1:43:28.320 that can facilitate and get the ball out quickly. That 1:43:28.439 --> 1:43:30.439 was one thing. We had Ken Wizzen Hunt for twenty 1:43:30.560 --> 1:43:32.800 fourteen and fifteen, and Ken was like, this is my offense, 1:43:32.840 --> 1:43:34.519 but he's been dealing with Philip rivers for the last 1:43:34.520 --> 1:43:38.759 ten years. So we have Jake Locker and Zach Mettenberger. Eventually, 1:43:38.800 --> 1:43:41.160 after Jake hurts his thumb and it's all key right 1:43:41.200 --> 1:43:43.200 and key left, we're doing six man's protections. We're not 1:43:43.240 --> 1:43:45.880 doing chips ever, and we don't have the quarterback that 1:43:46.000 --> 1:43:48.080 understands the offense well enough to know where his hots are, 1:43:48.160 --> 1:43:50.240 where to get the ball out, or where the man 1:43:50.360 --> 1:43:53.720 side protection is with von Miller on that side. So 1:43:53.800 --> 1:43:57.000 it was tough Slend for a couple of years. You 1:43:57.040 --> 1:44:00.760 need those chips, You got to have them play that. 1:44:00.840 --> 1:44:04.879 You're obsessed with Spider two White Banana. What's the obsession? 1:44:05.640 --> 1:44:08.400 It's a man. It's a max protection type of situation, 1:44:08.720 --> 1:44:10.920 a low red type of situation. Why do you love 1:44:10.920 --> 1:44:11.479 it so much? 1:44:12.040 --> 1:44:14.960 Andrew Luck? We had Andrew Luck on our show, Gruden's 1:44:15.000 --> 1:44:18.879 QB camp and David Shaw, the head coach of Stanford, 1:44:18.960 --> 1:44:21.840 was on my staff in Philly and in Oakland. Well, 1:44:21.880 --> 1:44:24.600 Stanford runs a lot of Spider two why banana? And 1:44:24.640 --> 1:44:27.120 I have never met a quarterback coming out of college 1:44:27.320 --> 1:44:29.920 like Andrew Luck. I mean he had everything six four 1:44:30.080 --> 1:44:33.400 two forty, he could run and probably the smartest guy 1:44:33.439 --> 1:44:36.400 I've ever met play the position. So they're running Spider 1:44:36.439 --> 1:44:39.280 two white banana at Stanford unlike I've ever seen. And 1:44:39.320 --> 1:44:42.439 I'm just studying getting ready for Andrew Luck, and I'm 1:44:42.439 --> 1:44:44.840 seeing Spider two wive and asked Spider three wive and 1:44:44.920 --> 1:44:48.200 ass fight. Guy's putting on a clinic, throwing, throwing, But 1:44:48.280 --> 1:44:50.719 Spider two, why banana? They must have thrown fifteen touchdowns. 1:44:50.760 --> 1:44:55.160 I'm not shitting yet. So they're playing USC. Stanford is 1:44:55.160 --> 1:44:58.599 playing USC big game College football game Day? Is there? 1:44:58.720 --> 1:45:01.360 Spider two why banana? Is very simple. You hit the 1:45:01.360 --> 1:45:03.600 fall back in the flat or at the tight end. 1:45:03.640 --> 1:45:03.960 Pops. 1:45:03.960 --> 1:45:06.240 You might hit the tight end of the corner. You 1:45:06.520 --> 1:45:10.639 never throw the ball backside on Spider two white banana. Well, 1:45:10.680 --> 1:45:14.240 Andrew Luck on Spider two wiye Banana against USC throws 1:45:14.240 --> 1:45:17.000 a pick six, throwing to the backside. He called it 1:45:17.000 --> 1:45:19.800 a lightning route or something. So as soon as I 1:45:19.880 --> 1:45:22.479 got to that play, his face got red as a 1:45:22.560 --> 1:45:25.400 sheet and we busted his balls on that. Yeah, and 1:45:25.439 --> 1:45:27.800 it just kind of went viral whatever the word is. 1:45:27.840 --> 1:45:30.160 You guys use you know when something hits with fans, 1:45:31.439 --> 1:45:34.160 But it was. It was a cool moment and ever 1:45:34.200 --> 1:45:36.840 since the Spider two white Banana. But it is a 1:45:36.840 --> 1:45:38.880 hell of a play. If you're running power, if you're 1:45:38.960 --> 1:45:41.240 running a rock, if you're running Mike alstot a ninety 1:45:41.280 --> 1:45:44.559 six power and your linebackers are worried about tackling that 1:45:44.600 --> 1:45:47.040 big sum bitch, watch out. We'll slip it full back 1:45:47.040 --> 1:45:47.880 into the flat. 1:45:47.640 --> 1:45:50.600 Spider two wive Bananas or two. Who are some of 1:45:50.640 --> 1:45:52.000 the teams right now that are kind of in the 1:45:52.040 --> 1:45:54.240 middle of the pack that you could see winning the 1:45:54.240 --> 1:45:54.680 whole thing. 1:45:56.560 --> 1:45:59.519 I think Pittsburgh and Baltimore, I think someone's gonna come 1:45:59.520 --> 1:46:04.599 out of the you know, I still think I still 1:46:04.600 --> 1:46:07.920 think Pittsburgh's dangerous. I mean, they're leading their division, but 1:46:08.000 --> 1:46:10.439 when you look at their schedule them in Baltimore, I 1:46:10.560 --> 1:46:12.880 kind of consider them as the middle of the pack 1:46:12.960 --> 1:46:16.960 in the AFC's a that's a tough question for me. 1:46:17.080 --> 1:46:19.559 I really think there's five or six teams that have 1:46:19.600 --> 1:46:21.880 a chance to win it. I think there's about twenty 1:46:21.920 --> 1:46:24.040 teams that are getting ready for next year. 1:46:24.320 --> 1:46:26.800 Yeah, what do you What is your view of the 1:46:26.920 --> 1:46:30.320 landscape of football right now? The quality of the product. 1:46:30.439 --> 1:46:33.519 I just think continuity is a big part of winning. 1:46:33.560 --> 1:46:36.160 When you look at Andy Reid, He's been there, He's 1:46:36.200 --> 1:46:40.240 done that. He's been in Kansas City, Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh, 1:46:40.320 --> 1:46:44.600 John Harbaugh and Baltimore. Dan Campbell's been in Detroit, Shanahan. 1:46:44.880 --> 1:46:47.160 You know. I like the teams that are in the 1:46:47.280 --> 1:46:49.200 money every year. It just seems to me like have 1:46:49.320 --> 1:46:52.720 been together the Philadelphia Eagles, Syrian he's been there now 1:46:52.760 --> 1:46:55.360 a few years. I just think there's a lot of 1:46:55.479 --> 1:46:59.360 change over now. Teams change coaches, not just head coaches, 1:46:59.640 --> 1:47:03.280 often the coordinators, defensive coordinators, and I think it's a 1:47:03.400 --> 1:47:06.320 problem with the development of players. You guys can speak 1:47:06.360 --> 1:47:09.080 on this when you're a first year player, when you're 1:47:09.080 --> 1:47:11.240 a rookie, it's an eye opening deal. 1:47:11.320 --> 1:47:11.479 Man. 1:47:11.520 --> 1:47:14.080 I don't care what round, but when you came back 1:47:14.120 --> 1:47:17.639 as your second year in the same system, that's when 1:47:17.680 --> 1:47:20.679 you probably showed your most improvement. But when you keep 1:47:20.720 --> 1:47:23.160 pulling a rug out of you players, and here's a 1:47:23.200 --> 1:47:26.559 new snap count, here's a new system, it's a it's 1:47:26.560 --> 1:47:28.479 a hard deal to get better, don't you think? 1:47:28.600 --> 1:47:31.479 Yeah, absolutely, you're on that like level one learning curve 1:47:31.560 --> 1:47:33.800 in that first year, and then again when you go 1:47:33.840 --> 1:47:36.639 into years two, year three, you're looking at them details. 1:47:36.680 --> 1:47:38.519 You're thinking outside the box. You're trying to think more 1:47:38.520 --> 1:47:41.080 like a coordinator than just your own position. You're thinking 1:47:41.080 --> 1:47:43.960 about everywhere, everybody else around you have everything moves around you. 1:47:44.040 --> 1:47:45.640 But yeah, when it's a new system, it's like you 1:47:45.720 --> 1:47:47.760 just want to understand, like what your job is. 1:47:48.120 --> 1:47:50.800 You understand, right, you understand the bigger picture going into 1:47:50.880 --> 1:47:53.160 year two as opposed to just your your assignment for 1:47:53.240 --> 1:47:54.920 your play calling? Was it always the same? Did you 1:47:54.960 --> 1:47:57.120 always keep the same numbers? You say, ninety six power 1:47:57.680 --> 1:47:59.479 spider two wide it inage? You always have the same 1:47:59.560 --> 1:48:02.720 terminol and phrases going from year to year? Did you 1:48:02.680 --> 1:48:03.479 ever try to switch it. 1:48:03.439 --> 1:48:03.920 Up a little bit? 1:48:04.000 --> 1:48:05.720 I took a lot of pride in the verbage I 1:48:05.800 --> 1:48:08.479 learned under Bill Walsh with the forty nine ers, Mike Congrin, 1:48:08.520 --> 1:48:11.879 we had a lot of words and we became very worthy. 1:48:12.160 --> 1:48:14.360 But when I was out of football and I came back, 1:48:14.400 --> 1:48:17.760 we realized that a lot of these players, you know, 1:48:17.800 --> 1:48:20.120 we got to we got to tighten up our communication 1:48:20.560 --> 1:48:23.639 so we can pick up a player off the waiver wire, 1:48:23.800 --> 1:48:26.040 make a trade whatever, and bring you in and fast 1:48:26.080 --> 1:48:29.160 track you. You don't have time to learn all these crazy 1:48:29.240 --> 1:48:32.280 words and what they mean. So we did streamline it 1:48:32.320 --> 1:48:34.040 a little bit, but we still had a lot to 1:48:34.120 --> 1:48:36.720 say because we had a lot of formations. We had 1:48:36.720 --> 1:48:39.360 a lot of motions, a lot of personnel groupings. And 1:48:39.400 --> 1:48:41.360 if you want to have a big airport you want 1:48:41.400 --> 1:48:44.559 to take flights everywhere, you got to make sure you're organized, 1:48:44.600 --> 1:48:46.479 you have the ability to do that. I'm just I 1:48:46.600 --> 1:48:48.760 never liked these teams that line up in trips right 1:48:48.800 --> 1:48:50.599 and clap their hands and put the ball in play. 1:48:51.000 --> 1:48:51.160 You know. 1:48:51.160 --> 1:48:55.080 I like multiple looks. If the defense hasn't seen it, 1:48:55.360 --> 1:49:00.240 they can't prepare for it. It's an illusion of sophistication or 1:49:00.360 --> 1:49:03.479 just simple and basic plays that start off looking the 1:49:03.479 --> 1:49:06.080 same that are different. You know, there's some common threads 1:49:06.080 --> 1:49:08.160 in philosophy I think that you got to have if 1:49:08.160 --> 1:49:09.400 you're going to be any good at it. 1:49:09.520 --> 1:49:11.400 How much football. Do you feel like you forgot when 1:49:11.400 --> 1:49:15.640 you were in media for nine years? Terminologies your playbook. 1:49:16.240 --> 1:49:18.639 I probably didn't much, just because I have my own 1:49:18.720 --> 1:49:21.160 computer at home, and when I watch the first play 1:49:21.160 --> 1:49:23.439 of the game, I type in the formation A lot 1:49:23.439 --> 1:49:25.880 of times, I even type in the front. So now 1:49:25.920 --> 1:49:27.840 you save your work and I can come back and 1:49:27.880 --> 1:49:31.280 be my own quality control guy. It's a sick obsessed 1:49:31.320 --> 1:49:34.280 world of football I live in, and that's why it's 1:49:34.360 --> 1:49:37.679 kind of cool to get out of it. And it's 1:49:37.680 --> 1:49:40.320 almost like I'm out of prison or something. I mean, 1:49:40.400 --> 1:49:43.679 I'm playing golf with these guys and there's a drone 1:49:43.720 --> 1:49:47.320 flying around me and Trent you're playing. We're playing golf. 1:49:47.320 --> 1:49:49.360 Frankie's on the other team. We're talking to having a 1:49:49.360 --> 1:49:52.000 good time. I'm like, is this John Gruden? You know, 1:49:52.040 --> 1:49:54.200 shouldn't I be in a fucking laboratory study in a 1:49:54.360 --> 1:49:56.960 red zone offense or something? And now I'm on the 1:49:57.000 --> 1:49:59.880 bus with you guys. It's really you know, wish ou 1:50:00.000 --> 1:50:02.080 I've done this ten years ago. It's a lot more fun. 1:50:02.160 --> 1:50:05.360 Man. What can people expect with you at barstool? It 1:50:05.360 --> 1:50:07.280 seems like you bring back the Gruden football camp. 1:50:08.080 --> 1:50:10.519 We're going to try to bring back Gruden's QB camp 1:50:10.560 --> 1:50:12.800 and it won't be the same. It'll be it'll have 1:50:12.920 --> 1:50:16.559 a little different spice to it. But this Dave Portnoy guy, 1:50:16.600 --> 1:50:19.040 he's something else. And this big Cat guy, I really 1:50:19.080 --> 1:50:22.080 like this Big Cat. Yeah, I'm just getting to know them. 1:50:22.280 --> 1:50:27.280 And I got hired really week eight of the season. 1:50:27.360 --> 1:50:30.240 So it's hard to just create a show and come on, 1:50:30.320 --> 1:50:31.679 I mean, you're going to have to put a little 1:50:31.720 --> 1:50:35.240 time on task and meet with some people. And you know, 1:50:35.280 --> 1:50:37.080 I'd like to do something with you man, like to 1:50:37.120 --> 1:50:39.320 do something with you guys. I don't know. Yeah, but 1:50:39.439 --> 1:50:43.640 I have a creative mind myself and just starting to 1:50:43.680 --> 1:50:46.280 scratch the surface a little bit. I've got some people 1:50:46.360 --> 1:50:49.000 out there that send me nasty texts and messages. You know, 1:50:49.040 --> 1:50:52.280 they help me get better, and I encourage that, you know, 1:50:52.320 --> 1:50:55.320 I need to help from people. But I really am 1:50:55.439 --> 1:50:59.200 excited about what could happen because I know the potential is. 1:51:00.040 --> 1:51:03.120 Oh yeah, bro, you're the top of a rocket ship. 1:51:03.320 --> 1:51:05.280 Like barstool has a way of making you more known 1:51:05.320 --> 1:51:05.599 than ever. 1:51:05.800 --> 1:51:09.200 Yeah, how'd those conversations go? They've just hit you up like, Hey, 1:51:09.200 --> 1:51:10.120 I'm gonna. 1:51:09.760 --> 1:51:11.280 I got a I got a message on one of 1:51:11.280 --> 1:51:16.400 those uh you know, I don't know Twitter, tiktoks or whatever. Yeah, 1:51:16.400 --> 1:51:19.960 my son Mike, who wrote the song Nicy, he's my 1:51:20.120 --> 1:51:24.320 music man. He says, Hey, Dad, Dave Portnoy reached out 1:51:24.360 --> 1:51:26.840 to you. So, to make a long story short, my 1:51:26.880 --> 1:51:30.320 wife was in a ballroom dancing contest in Orlando and 1:51:30.439 --> 1:51:32.840 Dave flew in to see me and we just had 1:51:32.880 --> 1:51:36.280 dinner together and talked a little bit. Next thing I know, man, 1:51:36.360 --> 1:51:39.200 we're I was in Chicago filming something up there, and 1:51:40.040 --> 1:51:42.120 you know, you walk in you don't realize what's going on. 1:51:42.200 --> 1:51:43.920 I mean, hell, I'm just a coach. I walk in 1:51:43.960 --> 1:51:46.599 there and they're filming stuff. Hey what about John Daily? 1:51:46.640 --> 1:51:48.719 Did you go golf with John Daly? You start talking 1:51:48.720 --> 1:51:51.480 about it. Next thing you know, it's out there. Everybody 1:51:51.479 --> 1:51:53.519 knows about the whole day. You know. But it's really 1:51:54.400 --> 1:51:57.760 fascinating how it works. Yeah, you know, and the the 1:51:57.840 --> 1:52:01.240 ability that they have to reach so many people on 1:52:01.320 --> 1:52:04.920 so many different platforms instantly, and they take a lot 1:52:04.920 --> 1:52:06.439 of pride in it. You know, they want to be 1:52:06.479 --> 1:52:07.760 really good, which is what I like. 1:52:07.960 --> 1:52:12.200 Right your Gruden loves football content. I mean since day one, 1:52:12.640 --> 1:52:15.160 I like I consume it. It's like, all right, I'm 1:52:15.200 --> 1:52:17.200 trying to hope you you drop stuff before we do 1:52:17.240 --> 1:52:20.160 the locker room to hear everything you're breaking down, because 1:52:20.160 --> 1:52:22.720 I remember, I'm like, I'm not thinking it's probably his 1:52:22.800 --> 1:52:24.840 son running the profile, but he's got the Gruden loves 1:52:24.840 --> 1:52:27.320 Football Twitter profile and I just DM and I'm like, 1:52:27.360 --> 1:52:29.599 I need gruden On bustling with and I've already messaged 1:52:29.600 --> 1:52:31.040 with them, but I'm just having fun with the profile, 1:52:31.160 --> 1:52:33.280 like I need gruden On busting with the boys like 1:52:33.320 --> 1:52:35.200 I need air. And he responds to me like it's 1:52:35.240 --> 1:52:37.720 him running the whole Twitter account. He's like, oh, you're 1:52:37.720 --> 1:52:40.040 a Gruden grinder. Of course I'll come on. And I'm thinking, oh, okay, 1:52:40.040 --> 1:52:41.559 I'm just messing with coach Gruden again. 1:52:41.640 --> 1:52:43.800 Yeah, but you know, when you break a game down. 1:52:43.920 --> 1:52:46.160 What I wanted to do with that is try to 1:52:46.200 --> 1:52:49.240 take fans into a little bit of the reality of 1:52:49.240 --> 1:52:51.120 what we go through one hundred percent. If it's the 1:52:51.200 --> 1:52:54.280 Chargers in the Bucks, Let's start with top of line 1:52:54.320 --> 1:52:56.240 things you might want to know. I'm here's the injury 1:52:56.280 --> 1:53:00.360 list right, Here's where they rank statistically, Here's how they 1:53:00.360 --> 1:53:02.240 play on the road. I mean, there's a lot of 1:53:02.280 --> 1:53:05.120 things that you got to get your mind straight on 1:53:05.200 --> 1:53:08.599 before you even get in to the Chargers offense. Let's 1:53:08.640 --> 1:53:11.680 talk nothing but about Chargers offense. And I wanted the 1:53:11.720 --> 1:53:13.840 fans to know who the offensive linemen were, who the 1:53:13.840 --> 1:53:16.200 receivers were, who the running backs were, who the plate 1:53:16.240 --> 1:53:18.320 caller was. I mean, I spent twenty minutes on a 1:53:18.400 --> 1:53:20.840 Chargers offense. Here's a couple of schemes they like to run. 1:53:21.000 --> 1:53:23.080 This is the Chargers offense, but they're going up against 1:53:23.120 --> 1:53:26.040 Tampa's defense. And then you spend twenty minutes on Todd 1:53:26.080 --> 1:53:28.719 Bowles calls the plays. You know, they got Winfield's hurt, 1:53:28.840 --> 1:53:30.840 they got Jamal Deane's hurt, and you go into all 1:53:30.880 --> 1:53:34.000 the matchups and some of the blitzes that Todd Bowles runs. 1:53:34.040 --> 1:53:36.360 Then he got to do the Chargers defense against the 1:53:36.360 --> 1:53:38.760 Bucks offense. Next thing you know, it's an hour and 1:53:38.840 --> 1:53:41.559 fifteen minutes on one game, and people are like, man, 1:53:41.600 --> 1:53:43.519 fans aren't gonna want to watch all that, but the 1:53:43.600 --> 1:53:48.160 hardcore fans, oh, bro nutty, people like me like it. 1:53:48.439 --> 1:53:50.040 Then at the end of the game, they say, at 1:53:50.080 --> 1:53:51.760 the end of the presentation, they say, well, we got 1:53:51.760 --> 1:53:54.360 to make a prediction who's gonna win? I said, I 1:53:54.400 --> 1:53:56.599 don't know who's gonna win. I say, I don't care 1:53:56.640 --> 1:53:58.960 who wins. Yeah, you know. But then I start picking 1:53:59.040 --> 1:54:02.439 scores and some of my picks, I'm like, you, guys, 1:54:02.920 --> 1:54:05.400 I root for a team a little bit. I kind 1:54:05.400 --> 1:54:07.200 of want so I kind of picked them to win. 1:54:07.240 --> 1:54:09.680 And it's not some of the gambling people. They get 1:54:09.720 --> 1:54:10.120 pissed at. 1:54:10.160 --> 1:54:10.200 You. 1:54:10.840 --> 1:54:12.760 Screw me, man, you gave me all this information. 1:54:13.880 --> 1:54:15.360 I remember coming to Taylor, I'm like, hey, have you 1:54:15.400 --> 1:54:18.360 seen this Grudenless football show. I'm like, bro, he runs 1:54:18.360 --> 1:54:21.479 it like he's low key, like running a team meeting 1:54:21.520 --> 1:54:22.400 at the top of a week. 1:54:23.120 --> 1:54:26.400 It's incredible, the breakdown of everything. Have you noticed how 1:54:26.640 --> 1:54:28.760 easy it is to overthink things because it's like you 1:54:28.760 --> 1:54:30.840 can break down all the film you want, but they're like, 1:54:30.840 --> 1:54:32.520 all right, who's gonna win? And you're like, well, this 1:54:32.600 --> 1:54:34.800 team and they're like, well know their defense is this 1:54:34.840 --> 1:54:36.800 and that. Have you have you ran into that where 1:54:36.840 --> 1:54:38.720 it's like you get into a point of overthinking it 1:54:38.760 --> 1:54:39.200 a little bit. 1:54:39.280 --> 1:54:41.800 You can easily overthink it. And I tell you there 1:54:41.800 --> 1:54:44.080 are some games. Now I'm not a big gambling guy. 1:54:44.120 --> 1:54:47.480 I'll be honest with you. There are some games I've 1:54:47.560 --> 1:54:49.680 learned to stay away from. Got no idea what's going 1:54:49.720 --> 1:54:52.400 to happen in this game, And there are certain games. 1:54:52.800 --> 1:54:55.600 As I told you guys earlier, I'm going in on 1:54:55.640 --> 1:54:59.320 this game, you know. And I don't pick the spreads. 1:54:59.440 --> 1:55:02.000 I would never picked the spreads. And I know you 1:55:02.040 --> 1:55:04.000 don't make as much money when you pick the money 1:55:04.080 --> 1:55:06.760 line they call it, but you pick a team to win. 1:55:07.280 --> 1:55:10.680 I'm pretty good at picking winners. And I don't get 1:55:10.760 --> 1:55:12.600 involved in a spread. And then my son says, we 1:55:12.640 --> 1:55:15.160 don't get anybody if you pick the money line. Well, 1:55:15.200 --> 1:55:17.280 if you pick two money lines, you know. 1:55:17.480 --> 1:55:18.680 You got a little barley. 1:55:18.800 --> 1:55:25.400 Yeah, I'm learning. Anyways, I'm I'm I'm learning and I'm 1:55:25.440 --> 1:55:29.560 loving it. And this is really cool, this operation. I 1:55:29.560 --> 1:55:32.360 would not have expected anything less from you two guys. 1:55:32.600 --> 1:55:34.680 And I tell you, I don't know where you guys 1:55:34.680 --> 1:55:36.480 are going with the future. There's a lot of rumors 1:55:36.480 --> 1:55:37.920 about where you two guys are heading. 1:55:38.240 --> 1:55:40.680 Hopefully all yeah, hopefully nice chatter. 1:55:40.800 --> 1:55:41.560 It is very nice. 1:55:41.800 --> 1:55:43.520 I gotta I got a couple of fun questions for 1:55:43.600 --> 1:55:45.200 you written up our boys, Sherman the back. 1:55:45.440 --> 1:55:47.520 All right, we ended up this episode to bring you 1:55:47.600 --> 1:55:50.200 something very beautiful, and that's Lucy. Anytime I know it's 1:55:50.200 --> 1:55:52.040 an audio read, I just kind of put my audio 1:55:52.120 --> 1:55:54.320 voice on. Lucy is the obvious choice when it comes 1:55:54.320 --> 1:55:57.520 to true nicotine pouch connoisseurs. That's why the official They 1:55:57.520 --> 1:56:00.960 are the official nicotine pouch partner of Barstool Sports. Lucy 1:56:01.000 --> 1:56:03.040 pouches go up to twelve milligrams in strength and have 1:56:03.080 --> 1:56:06.440 a unique shape that feels great. 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Which 1:57:09.200 --> 1:57:10.680 coach are you drafting first? 1:57:11.920 --> 1:57:12.920 First overall pick? 1:57:14.480 --> 1:57:18.120 I take Andy Reid. Is Andy Reid. He can call 1:57:18.160 --> 1:57:20.240 the plays and he can coach the quarterback. Man. 1:57:20.760 --> 1:57:23.360 That's a good pick. Yes, everybody's gonna fault you there. 1:57:23.720 --> 1:57:26.200 If you could only watch one NFL game on repeat 1:57:26.240 --> 1:57:27.680 for the rest of your life, which game are you 1:57:27.840 --> 1:57:29.440 one NFL game? 1:57:29.440 --> 1:57:33.880 It would be the millennium game Raiders versus Chiefs. The 1:57:33.920 --> 1:57:37.160 calendar just kicked over to two thousand. I was in 1:57:37.200 --> 1:57:39.400 my second year coaching the Raiders. I was going to 1:57:39.480 --> 1:57:42.120 get fired. We were seven and eight. We're playing at 1:57:42.160 --> 1:57:44.320 the Chiefs. All the Chiefs need to do is win 1:57:44.360 --> 1:57:47.240 this game. Beat the Raiders, who they beaten one hundred 1:57:47.240 --> 1:57:49.440 times in a row and they win the division, get 1:57:49.480 --> 1:57:53.560 a home playoff game. We're down seventeen zip after about 1:57:53.600 --> 1:57:56.800 six minutes and this place is rocking. Man, my boy 1:57:56.880 --> 1:58:00.560 rich Gannon got pissed off and shred him. We beat 1:58:00.600 --> 1:58:03.640 him thirty eight thirty five in overtime. Check that game out. 1:58:03.920 --> 1:58:08.120 Raiders at the Chiefs two thousand, last. 1:58:07.880 --> 1:58:08.440 Game of the year. 1:58:08.520 --> 1:58:10.240 Hey, just he knew it off the top too. 1:58:10.640 --> 1:58:13.400 We busted him, good man. I was dancing on the field. 1:58:14.320 --> 1:58:16.080 Probably saved my job that day too. 1:58:16.200 --> 1:58:16.400 Yeah. 1:58:16.680 --> 1:58:19.320 Yeah, guy's got to be a great feeling and go home, 1:58:19.720 --> 1:58:20.880 crack up in a nice drink. 1:58:21.080 --> 1:58:25.880 What what's your favorite memory on the grid iron? Just 1:58:25.920 --> 1:58:26.360 get one. 1:58:26.720 --> 1:58:32.360 Twenty nineteen playoffs AFC Divisional Round against the Baltimore Ravens. 1:58:32.440 --> 1:58:34.360 They were the one seed. We had to win five 1:58:34.400 --> 1:58:36.040 of six just to make it into the playoffs. We 1:58:36.040 --> 1:58:38.440 play against the New England Patriots and the dynasty for 1:58:38.480 --> 1:58:40.800 Tom Brady was his last game as a Patriot, and 1:58:40.840 --> 1:58:44.560 we go in against the Ravens. It was Lamar Jackson's 1:58:44.600 --> 1:58:48.760 first MVP in Baltimore. The Bank was as loud of 1:58:48.800 --> 1:58:50.680 a stadium as I've ever heard of my entire life. 1:58:50.880 --> 1:58:51.920 And we owned him. 1:58:52.240 --> 1:58:57.400 Like I that is my favorite game from a blocking standpoint. Ever, 1:58:57.680 --> 1:58:59.640 they had eight guys in the box from ran Wanda, 1:58:59.640 --> 1:59:03.200 which is open side outside zone, and we blocked him 1:59:03.240 --> 1:59:05.280 and Derek ran it for like forty yards. It just 1:59:05.280 --> 1:59:07.880 felt like everything we did it was we were gonna 1:59:07.880 --> 1:59:09.000 get at least four yards. 1:59:09.280 --> 1:59:10.280 Guy, he's sitting up like. 1:59:10.440 --> 1:59:11.280 It was awesome. 1:59:12.240 --> 1:59:14.080 We had a turnover. We had a turnover in that game. 1:59:14.120 --> 1:59:17.480 I think Jeroe Casey got a strip stripsack fumble that 1:59:17.600 --> 1:59:20.320 was picked up by Harold Landry. That player on like 1:59:20.360 --> 1:59:22.440 the forty six yard line going in and we call 1:59:23.200 --> 1:59:27.280 Lucy x pile on y x pile on post and 1:59:27.360 --> 1:59:30.160 it's Kleief Raymond. He's like four or five yards past 1:59:30.200 --> 1:59:32.000 the dB and we score a touch on the next 1:59:32.000 --> 1:59:33.960 play and it's just like that cool, We're gonna beat 1:59:34.000 --> 1:59:35.120 the That's just thanks. 1:59:35.160 --> 1:59:35.400 See. 1:59:35.440 --> 1:59:38.440 That's the one thing I've learned about being in social 1:59:38.520 --> 1:59:41.960 media is I like to discover like great plays. I 1:59:42.040 --> 1:59:43.560 like to go back and show you some of the 1:59:43.600 --> 1:59:46.800 memories of other players. I have tape in my office 1:59:46.840 --> 1:59:49.680 of Lawrence Taylor. I got Eric Dickerson ronning with that 1:59:49.800 --> 1:59:52.680 high form. But you can't show you can't really show 1:59:52.720 --> 1:59:55.440 the video. You don't have rights to the video to 1:59:55.560 --> 1:59:58.480 use all the time you see, So you gotta, you know, 1:59:58.800 --> 2:00:01.840 you gotta creative find ways to make your point. But 2:00:01.840 --> 2:00:03.200 I would love to see that game. 2:00:03.320 --> 2:00:03.960 It's awesome. 2:00:04.360 --> 2:00:05.000 Here's yeah. 2:00:05.160 --> 2:00:06.520 I can go on all day by that game. That 2:00:06.600 --> 2:00:09.560 game was awesome. The blocking was incredible. We had five 2:00:09.640 --> 2:00:13.160 guys doing everything right every single play. It was unbelievable. 2:00:13.600 --> 2:00:16.200 It's hard to think about mine. I feel like it's 2:00:16.280 --> 2:00:18.080 more you just get pissed off that you lost, like 2:00:18.120 --> 2:00:20.360 when we lost the Green Bay in the walladcard round 2:00:20.840 --> 2:00:22.920 when we ended up winning the division. Probably the most 2:00:22.920 --> 2:00:25.480 fun game and most fun memories when we clinched the 2:00:25.520 --> 2:00:29.320 division at Philly right around Christmas, went out there. That 2:00:29.360 --> 2:00:32.320 was the dad game, my only career sack on Sam Bradford. 2:00:32.600 --> 2:00:34.440 But we beat their ass and we came back and 2:00:34.600 --> 2:00:39.200 just the city, the town was packed in Ashbourne, Virginia, 2:00:39.320 --> 2:00:41.320 like you were just going one two miles an hour 2:00:41.760 --> 2:00:44.720 driving out of the facility because fans were so excited. 2:00:44.760 --> 2:00:47.120 It was such a moment that you know, that was 2:00:47.120 --> 2:00:49.200 like do you like that year Kirk Cousins kind of 2:00:49.200 --> 2:00:51.520 making his run. We're kind of a bad football team 2:00:51.520 --> 2:00:53.280 and we'd win one, lose one, try to string a 2:00:53.280 --> 2:00:55.800 couple together, and we ended up winning the division that year. 2:00:55.800 --> 2:00:58.160 In the NFC. Least they called it, but I would 2:00:58.160 --> 2:01:00.720 say that game is probably the most memorable fun game 2:01:01.040 --> 2:01:03.760 as far as moments go. Probably when I got I 2:01:03.800 --> 2:01:08.520 got to start against the New Orleans Saints we played 2:01:08.520 --> 2:01:10.839 the week before at New England. We got our ass kicked, 2:01:11.640 --> 2:01:13.400 but I made a few good plays. I think I 2:01:13.440 --> 2:01:15.720 had like eight tackles, and they made the switch to 2:01:15.760 --> 2:01:18.640 make me the mic, the mic backer, and I remember 2:01:18.720 --> 2:01:21.160 kerk Olividadi, he pulled me right into the office before 2:01:21.160 --> 2:01:23.280 we went into the defensive room to have to have 2:01:23.280 --> 2:01:26.440 a defensive meeting to start breaking down the Saints. He 2:01:26.480 --> 2:01:28.840 pulled me in and he whispered, you got the keys, 2:01:28.880 --> 2:01:31.440 make me right and just dap me up. And I'm like, 2:01:31.560 --> 2:01:34.640 oh shit, we're rolling like I'm active, like I get 2:01:34.640 --> 2:01:37.360 to play now. And so we end up beating the 2:01:37.400 --> 2:01:39.720 Saints ass bro And the paper that one of the 2:01:39.720 --> 2:01:41.840 papers is next week was like, you know, r W 2:01:42.000 --> 2:01:44.800 a Redskins with attitude, and I, you know, I was 2:01:44.840 --> 2:01:47.120 spotlighted in it. Had a really good game, and that 2:01:47.200 --> 2:01:49.400 was Probably the most memorable moment was when I got 2:01:49.400 --> 2:01:52.120 to ultimately like take over the job in Washington, because 2:01:52.160 --> 2:01:53.880 you know, you just you bust your ass to getting 2:01:53.880 --> 2:01:56.360 all the situations that you're in. The year before that, 2:01:56.440 --> 2:01:57.840 there was like, you know, that's when I got to 2:01:57.880 --> 2:02:01.000 play against you guys the delaying game and I had 2:02:01.040 --> 2:02:02.840 a little run there because somebody had gotten hurt to 2:02:02.840 --> 2:02:05.440 where I accumulated some tackles. But then you just start 2:02:05.480 --> 2:02:07.600 to get noticed. The next year, it's like, hey, are 2:02:07.640 --> 2:02:09.360 you gonna take this guy's job? You have a couple 2:02:09.320 --> 2:02:11.240 of injuries, you don't get the opportunity to take it. 2:02:11.560 --> 2:02:13.200 Then in the middle of the year as it unfold, 2:02:13.240 --> 2:02:15.280 similar to the Oakland year where you just ended up 2:02:15.280 --> 2:02:17.480 getting an opportunity and you just don't look back. Like 2:02:17.520 --> 2:02:20.040 those are those are more of like my memorable times 2:02:20.080 --> 2:02:20.720 in the NFL. 2:02:21.000 --> 2:02:23.360 What was the least favorite game ever? 2:02:26.600 --> 2:02:27.160 Good question? 2:02:27.240 --> 2:02:28.400 The tuck rule was bad. 2:02:28.880 --> 2:02:33.480 Oh, I don't know. I forgot that. I forgot the Yeah, 2:02:34.080 --> 2:02:37.200 because there he did walk through, you know, take it 2:02:37.240 --> 2:02:39.360 at his facility and he goes in the bathroom on 2:02:39.400 --> 2:02:41.800 the shitter and he's got the photo sitting up and 2:02:41.840 --> 2:02:43.200 it's the tuck rule photo. 2:02:43.600 --> 2:02:45.880 You know, we played the AFC Championship game when I 2:02:45.920 --> 2:02:49.040 was coaching the Raiders against Baltimore, and I don't know 2:02:49.040 --> 2:02:53.280 if you remember, but Sarah Gousa killed our quarterback. We 2:02:53.360 --> 2:02:56.480 don't get a personal file, we don't get anything. It 2:02:56.520 --> 2:02:58.560 really pissed me off in that game too. But the 2:02:58.680 --> 2:03:02.920 tuck rule, you know, instant replay is designed to only 2:03:03.400 --> 2:03:08.320 overturn a play. That's completely what obvious right to lose 2:03:08.360 --> 2:03:11.560 a game like that. Think of Steve Wisnowski, He's nine 2:03:11.600 --> 2:03:16.000 Pro Bowls, William Thomas, Eric Allen, these are great NFL players. 2:03:16.000 --> 2:03:19.480 That's the last game they ever played. You know, we 2:03:19.520 --> 2:03:21.840 got we got a chance to go to the Super Bowl. 2:03:21.880 --> 2:03:24.880 That's what kind of team we had. And I can 2:03:24.920 --> 2:03:28.680 see Belichick taking his headset off, their whole stab. Brady's 2:03:28.720 --> 2:03:30.760 walking off the field. You can interview any of them. 2:03:30.960 --> 2:03:33.440 They knew that game was over. Yeah, And the only 2:03:33.480 --> 2:03:35.840 thing wrong with the tuck rule is they spelled it wrong. 2:03:36.040 --> 2:03:39.440 It's really not a t it's another consonant it's supposed 2:03:39.480 --> 2:03:39.680 to be. 2:03:40.000 --> 2:03:41.200 That's what They don't. 2:03:41.040 --> 2:03:42.480 Even have the rule anymore. 2:03:42.800 --> 2:03:43.720 That's how bad it is. 2:03:43.960 --> 2:03:47.400 God the biggest rival coach out there. We're just like, 2:03:47.440 --> 2:03:50.000 I want to get his ass. Whether you guys went 2:03:50.080 --> 2:03:50.720 back and forth to. 2:03:50.800 --> 2:03:52.600 Or they had to be Andy. You know, had to 2:03:52.640 --> 2:03:54.800 be Andy Reid, you know, because we were on the 2:03:54.800 --> 2:03:57.920 same staff. We're on Mike Holmgrean's staff in Green Bay. 2:03:58.280 --> 2:04:01.640 You guys love this. So Andy played for Mike Holmgren 2:04:01.680 --> 2:04:04.160 at BYU, so he was kind of the teacher's pet, 2:04:04.240 --> 2:04:07.240 you know. Yeah, I don't know, I love So we 2:04:07.280 --> 2:04:09.880 had this big board, me and Mary Ucci and Andy 2:04:09.880 --> 2:04:12.240 Reid were young coaches at the time, and we would 2:04:12.280 --> 2:04:15.160 put the plays on the board with the formations and 2:04:15.520 --> 2:04:17.080 these are the plays that we think should be in 2:04:17.120 --> 2:04:19.280 the game plan, and Homegroom would be doing his thing. 2:04:19.680 --> 2:04:21.400 He'd come in. He'd sit there and look at the 2:04:21.440 --> 2:04:25.280 board and in a different color would be a new play. 2:04:25.840 --> 2:04:28.840 And homegrown was always he was always whose play is that, 2:04:29.520 --> 2:04:32.560 Andy goes, that's my play. That's sixty nine handoff solid. 2:04:32.560 --> 2:04:34.000 You get on the board and draw it. Mike would 2:04:34.040 --> 2:04:35.880 put it in and Andy would like look at me 2:04:35.920 --> 2:04:38.560 and moods like I'm smarter than you. 2:04:38.640 --> 2:04:39.360 Gain Yeah. 2:04:39.440 --> 2:04:41.240 So Andy would get a play in the game plan. 2:04:41.400 --> 2:04:44.040 It would be called and he gains six yards or 2:04:44.040 --> 2:04:46.400 a gain eight yards and Andy walk around the office 2:04:46.440 --> 2:04:53.120 all week. I guess, bitch, So now we're not playing good. 2:04:53.160 --> 2:04:56.800 We just signed Reggie White in free agency, we got 2:04:56.840 --> 2:04:59.080 we got Brett Farr playing again, we got Sterling Sharp, 2:04:59.120 --> 2:05:00.400 we got a hell of the team, and we're not 2:05:00.440 --> 2:05:03.040 playing it. We're like two and three and people are 2:05:03.040 --> 2:05:04.960 starting to get on Holmegren's ass a little bit. You 2:05:05.040 --> 2:05:07.440 know what I mean, what's wrong with you guys? So 2:05:07.480 --> 2:05:09.200 we go into the room. There's all the plays and 2:05:09.240 --> 2:05:13.800 there's this play called Fox three full back slide fifty eight. 2:05:13.840 --> 2:05:16.800 All go z search Homegrin's like, what are those plays? 2:05:17.240 --> 2:05:18.840 I go, those are my two plays? And I had 2:05:18.880 --> 2:05:20.800 to cut up and I well, you don't like our place? 2:05:21.200 --> 2:05:22.960 Is that what your problem is? You don't want to run? 2:05:23.040 --> 2:05:25.800 He was on my ass, like yelling at me. My fuck. 2:05:26.280 --> 2:05:28.920 So we go play the Bears on Halloween night. You 2:05:28.960 --> 2:05:30.320 can go back and watch this game. 2:05:30.400 --> 2:05:30.480 Now. 2:05:30.520 --> 2:05:32.720 It's pouring down rain, the worst night in the history 2:05:32.760 --> 2:05:35.560 of football. Third and two. Early in the game home, 2:05:35.640 --> 2:05:38.360 Grin calls red left fake Fox three naked right full 2:05:38.400 --> 2:05:42.000 back slide. I swear to god, Brett Favre kept it. 2:05:42.440 --> 2:05:44.920 Runs it in longest touchdown run of his career thirty 2:05:44.920 --> 2:05:47.680 six yards on Monday Night football. I'm on the sidelines. 2:05:47.760 --> 2:05:49.760 I'm not saying anything, but I'm like, God damn, that's 2:05:49.800 --> 2:05:50.200 my play. 2:05:52.560 --> 2:05:54.760 So listen late, this is true. 2:05:55.160 --> 2:05:57.720 Late in the game, we just need a first down 2:05:57.800 --> 2:06:00.120 of games over and it's like third and fourteen, and 2:06:00.160 --> 2:06:03.120 I had seen Dan Marino running all go with a 2:06:03.160 --> 2:06:05.920 little search route. The guy acted like he was running 2:06:05.920 --> 2:06:08.200 a scene, but he would throw his shoulders down and uncover. 2:06:08.840 --> 2:06:11.320 And I put that play in and Sterling Sharp ran 2:06:11.400 --> 2:06:14.400 it better than Mark Clayton, and Mark duper ever ran 2:06:14.440 --> 2:06:16.520 it far up through it like a twenty three yard 2:06:16.600 --> 2:06:19.400 game to icy game. That's my plate too. So we 2:06:19.480 --> 2:06:22.040 get on the plane and back. Then they give you 2:06:22.080 --> 2:06:24.680 a little bag with two beers in it, and Holmer 2:06:24.760 --> 2:06:26.680 is sitting in the front with Ron Wolf the GM 2:06:26.720 --> 2:06:28.600 and I'm in the back. I'll never forget this. I 2:06:28.600 --> 2:06:31.560 got my beer and I'm drinking it. I'm thinking, God damn, 2:06:31.720 --> 2:06:34.120 that was the greatest day of my life. Holger turns around, 2:06:34.120 --> 2:06:36.640 he goes Hey, Grueber calls me, Gruber, Hey, Grueber, come 2:06:36.680 --> 2:06:40.280 down here. I walk down and fucking think I sit 2:06:40.400 --> 2:06:43.280 next to him, he goes game ball. 2:06:43.560 --> 2:06:44.360 Hell of a job. 2:06:44.960 --> 2:06:47.000 I turn around. I walked back to my seat. I 2:06:47.000 --> 2:06:49.440 see Andy Reid and I go game ball. 2:06:52.280 --> 2:06:53.880 I love competing with Ady Reid. 2:06:53.920 --> 2:06:56.600 And then when we competed against each other and he 2:06:56.680 --> 2:06:59.720 was in Philly, I was in Oakland or Kansas City. 2:06:59.760 --> 2:07:03.440 I mean, I just used to love seeing them. And 2:07:04.240 --> 2:07:10.640 I love you Christmas and God bless you. 2:07:10.720 --> 2:07:10.840 Man. 2:07:10.880 --> 2:07:13.000 If I can ever do anything, if I ever come 2:07:13.040 --> 2:07:15.440 back and coach, you'll be my left tackle. 2:07:15.520 --> 2:07:16.320 Let's fucking go. 2:07:16.440 --> 2:07:18.080 You have a bad You're not getting. 2:07:17.800 --> 2:07:20.000 A guaranteed contract, though you're getting. 2:07:19.720 --> 2:07:22.280 A ship it. 2:07:22.320 --> 2:07:25.280 You're getting a minimum salary benefit. And no one said it, 2:07:25.640 --> 2:07:28.240 but you coach for you. I gotta have a left tackle. 2:07:28.440 --> 2:07:28.920 I love it. 2:07:29.000 --> 2:07:30.880 Before before you go, I do want to play a 2:07:30.920 --> 2:07:33.640 game of crystal ball with you. Okay, Of all the 2:07:33.640 --> 2:07:36.160 coaching positions that might be open this year, it might 2:07:36.200 --> 2:07:38.680 be the Dallas Cowboys. We know the Jets, we know 2:07:38.720 --> 2:07:41.640 the Bears. Where do you think you would fit in best? 2:07:42.080 --> 2:07:42.320 Oh? 2:07:42.480 --> 2:07:45.240 I have no idea that puts me on the spot. 2:07:45.320 --> 2:07:47.720 Yeah, you're right, that's a tough one. We'll cut it. 2:07:47.760 --> 2:07:50.000 Guess what cut Hey appreciate you coming on, man. 2:07:50.240 --> 2:07:53.360 I do think the Bears with that young quarterback is interesting. 2:07:54.040 --> 2:07:54.160 You know. 2:07:54.200 --> 2:07:56.800 I like their defense too. Man, have you seen him play? 2:07:56.880 --> 2:08:01.440 I got some guys on Edwards. I mean, he's a 2:08:01.480 --> 2:08:03.960 hell of a player. They got some linebackers that can run. 2:08:04.440 --> 2:08:08.040 When they lost Jakwan Brisker, they lost a key member 2:08:08.040 --> 2:08:11.000 of that secondary, but they got corners. They do have 2:08:11.040 --> 2:08:13.840 some pass rushers. They got some receivers. 2:08:13.840 --> 2:08:14.080 Man. 2:08:14.280 --> 2:08:16.200 Yeah, they got a quarterback. I like this kid. 2:08:16.320 --> 2:08:17.280 Man, got you a. 2:08:17.520 --> 2:08:20.480 Nice Minnesota might look out on Monday night. 2:08:21.200 --> 2:08:21.680 These guys. 2:08:21.920 --> 2:08:24.880 This quarterback is interesting, man. I love It's got me 2:08:25.000 --> 2:08:25.680 feeling nicey. 2:08:25.920 --> 2:08:28.680 We do got to hit the twisted question. Oh okay, 2:08:28.760 --> 2:08:30.880 So the Twisted Question is brought to you by Twisted Tea. 2:08:31.120 --> 2:08:32.920 Twist Ting is refreshing, hard iced team made with real 2:08:32.960 --> 2:08:35.240 brew tea five percent now call full flavor. Very refreshing. 2:08:35.240 --> 2:08:38.120 Twisted tea goes down smooth. There's no carbonation that makes 2:08:38.160 --> 2:08:40.320 it easy to drink all day long. Twist Tea feels 2:08:40.320 --> 2:08:43.320 fun and celebrates extreme fandom on game date. Is the 2:08:43.360 --> 2:08:46.040 perfect beverage for game day, whether tailgate in a parking lot, 2:08:46.120 --> 2:08:48.840 watching at a bar, or watching with friends at home 2:08:48.920 --> 2:08:50.760 twisted tea is there to turn up your game. Date, 2:08:50.840 --> 2:08:54.000 keep it twisted, Grab a refreshing twisted tea today. Let's 2:08:54.000 --> 2:08:55.480 hear that twisted question for John Green. 2:08:56.080 --> 2:08:58.960 Twisted question. You are down? You were down a point 2:08:59.320 --> 2:09:02.960 two seconds left. It's fourth and twenty from the thirty 2:09:02.960 --> 2:09:06.400 five yard line. But your kicker broke his foot. What's 2:09:06.440 --> 2:09:08.560 the play call? Shit? 2:09:09.200 --> 2:09:15.760 Thanks a lot. I'll go tandem right seventy six rebound pass. 2:09:15.840 --> 2:09:18.120 I'll throw a hail Mary up there. I'll isolate my 2:09:18.160 --> 2:09:20.760 best receiver. If they play one on one over there, 2:09:20.760 --> 2:09:22.480 I'll throw it to him. If not, I'll take I'll 2:09:22.480 --> 2:09:23.680 pop it up into the end zone. 2:09:24.200 --> 2:09:24.720 Touchdown. 2:09:25.200 --> 2:09:28.160 Love it because you ever see guys throw hail mary's 2:09:28.840 --> 2:09:32.200 in the ball lands off the field of play. I 2:09:32.240 --> 2:09:34.640 want to make this point before I leave. Have you 2:09:34.680 --> 2:09:37.520 ever seen this shit where the I'm talking to hail 2:09:37.560 --> 2:09:41.640 mary okay, and the ball lands off of the field 2:09:41.720 --> 2:09:43.320 of play. Have you ever seen that? 2:09:43.440 --> 2:09:43.600 Yes? 2:09:43.640 --> 2:09:45.920 You asked, yes, Why do you think that is? 2:09:48.120 --> 2:09:48.720 They're scared? 2:09:49.560 --> 2:09:50.520 Why do you think it is? 2:09:51.440 --> 2:09:52.360 It's the QB. 2:09:52.240 --> 2:09:54.760 Rating man, They don't want to throw interceptions. 2:09:55.360 --> 2:09:56.720 Oh, you think it's an ego thing. 2:09:57.000 --> 2:09:58.600 I know it is. It has to be. These are 2:09:58.640 --> 2:10:02.400 the greatest passers in the world. You mean to tell 2:10:02.440 --> 2:10:04.560 me on a hail Mary, you can't put the ball 2:10:04.680 --> 2:10:07.160 on the field to play. Seriously, you can throw the 2:10:07.160 --> 2:10:10.200 ball in that tight window that big, you can sizzle 2:10:10.240 --> 2:10:12.720 it in there off platform into a window that big, 2:10:13.120 --> 2:10:14.880 but on the last play of the game, you can't 2:10:14.960 --> 2:10:17.760 keep the ball on the playing field. Let me tell you. 2:10:17.800 --> 2:10:20.920 When you see that, you know you're dealing with somebody 2:10:20.920 --> 2:10:24.360 that's interested in his QB rating. I keep an eye 2:10:24.440 --> 2:10:28.240 on that. I will, I will what last saying. I'll 2:10:28.240 --> 2:10:31.520 tell you. I learned this from Reggie White. Do you 2:10:31.560 --> 2:10:34.600 know tackles for loss and sack is a big way 2:10:34.640 --> 2:10:37.320 these guys get paid, right, Yeah, So back in the day, 2:10:37.360 --> 2:10:39.160 Reggie White told me this a long time ago. They're 2:10:39.200 --> 2:10:42.960 playing for the Philadelphia Eagles and the quarterback takes a knee. 2:10:43.920 --> 2:10:47.320 Reggie White, Clyde Simmons. He told me those guys would 2:10:47.360 --> 2:10:49.800 go flying in there to touch the quarterback to get 2:10:49.800 --> 2:10:53.280 credit for a TfL. And now that rule, I guess 2:10:53.360 --> 2:10:57.320 has changed too. But I'm interested in You know, two 2:10:57.440 --> 2:11:00.720 seconds left in the half, you're in a prevent defense 2:11:00.760 --> 2:11:04.000 and somebody runs a draw play for sixteen yards. You 2:11:04.040 --> 2:11:07.680 know those. That's why statistics you gotta be really careful 2:11:07.680 --> 2:11:08.480 when you look at them. 2:11:08.520 --> 2:11:11.640 Man, I love that knowledge. Yeah, I love knowledge. 2:11:11.720 --> 2:11:12.800 I love the take. Coach. 2:11:12.840 --> 2:11:14.880 We appreciate you so much. Thank you for coming on 2:11:14.920 --> 2:11:17.640 the show. Is unbelievable. Please subscribe eight five stars. 2:11:18.840 --> 2:11:19.640 That was awesome. 2:11:20.440 --> 2:11:21.560 You guys, awesome, you guys. 2:11:21.560 --> 2:11:21.640 Go