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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something.

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Speaker 2: I'm not in resistance of protecting anybody, and I think

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Speaker 2: that my work over the years that I've been involved

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Speaker 2: thing you've got to understand is services costs some money,

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Speaker 2: and we should be willing to get the richest people

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Speaker 2: Protected, make sure they pay their fair taxes so that

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Speaker 3: We have a.

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Speaker 4: Broken tax system, but let's elon musk freeload.

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Speaker 5: Off everyone else, and it needs to stop.

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Speaker 6: Usually, if you're a billionaire, that means that you control

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Speaker 6: have a massive labor force under your control. And to

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Speaker 6: be ethical, if you're a billionaire today, the thing that

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Speaker 6: you need to do is give up control and power.

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Speaker 6: So I don't want your money as much as we

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Speaker 6: want your power.

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Speaker 7: For rich you're not paying their fair share in any nation,

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Speaker 8: Do we want to keep tax cuts for the wealthiest

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Speaker 8: or do we want to make sure that they're paying

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Speaker 8: their fair share?

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Speaker 1: Do we want to.

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Speaker 8: Do we want to keep subsidizing big oil or do

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Speaker 8: Do we want to jack up interest rates on millions

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Speaker 8: We can't have it both ways. We've got to make

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Speaker 8: a choice about what our priorities up.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you Donald Trump and his billion

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Speaker 5: The my policies are going to pay a hell of

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Speaker 4: More in taxes today Texas in the future that they're

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Speaker 4: paying today. Ninety nine, p jo O Rourki humorists wrote,

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Speaker 4: eat the Rich. I thought it was hilarious. Little did

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Speaker 4: we know that would practically be the approach of the

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Speaker 4: left today. The left was much more moderate in nineteen

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Speaker 4: was working class people and middle class people. The beauty

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Speaker 4: of America is rich people want to be called middle class,

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Speaker 4: and working class people think they are middle class. It's

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Speaker 4: a wonderful thing. It's what leads to our stability. No

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Speaker 4: other country had that. But what's happening is a hollowing

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Speaker 4: hatred of the rich, there is no balance left in

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Speaker 4: you're seeing this in New York. You have people who

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Speaker 4: are basically saying, let's storm the gates and kill those

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Speaker 4: people and take.

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Speaker 1: All their money. And if they have their weight, that

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Speaker 1: is what they will do.

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Speaker 4: There is no question in my mind. And they're trying

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Speaker 4: to find something they can throw at Trump because Trump's

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Speaker 4: too popular. So they've tried the king, They've tried the authoritative.

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Speaker 1: Oh, now we've got it.

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Speaker 4: After all that money was spent on Barack Obama's presidential headquarters,

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Speaker 4: presidential library. Who do you think paid for all that?

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Speaker 4: Now they've got it as well. Trump's building building out

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Speaker 4: in the White House to make it more glorious for

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Speaker 4: the taxpayers pay for it, and that makes him awful.

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Speaker 4: And now Timmy Wats has taken to the issue on

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Speaker 4: his podcast because he doesn't like Trump, but he does

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Speaker 4: love balls.

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Speaker 1: Somebody dropped me some bass one tenth of America.

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Speaker 9: HiT's your boys, Simmy Walls connecting with the white man's car.

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Speaker 1: Who's got the slack of who's got the plan?

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Speaker 10: Yes, Walls, he's the manly man.

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Speaker 1: With a mike in his hand and a lesson.

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Speaker 9: He's having missedom Bunky games, Timmy Walls.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do we can in America.

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Speaker 9: First, I don't want to be remiss, and i'd mentioned

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Speaker 9: are great friends down in the Montrose Houston, Texas. Uh,

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Speaker 9: I mean those mean monsters that covered up that rainbow walkway.

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Speaker 9: I say, screw those guys, maybe twice. Well, the Montrose Mafia.

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Speaker 9: They showed them. They painted right back over where it was.

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Speaker 9: And that's a big fat rainbow to the rear for

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Speaker 9: all those against us. Let's give those rainbow wranglers a

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Speaker 9: big walls aplause, and now we better get to the

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Speaker 9: matter in hand, the big mean Donald J. Trump renovating

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Speaker 9: the East Wing. I know, I know, just the thought

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Speaker 9: of renovating one of the oldest buildings in America gives.

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Speaker 1: Me the GBS and I'm mad.

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Speaker 9: But I gotta tell you, guys, I'm also torn like

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Speaker 9: a flower on this one. Did you know the East

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Speaker 9: Wing is home to a fabulous ballroom. Oh, I've been

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Speaker 9: to so many wonderful big balls in the White House.

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Speaker 1: Over the years. But now Trump is tearing.

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Speaker 9: It down and he wants to make it a bigger,

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Speaker 9: better ball. We're in for bigger, better balls for years

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Speaker 9: to come.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I'm excited, but I mean I'm also mad

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Speaker 9: because Trump is a mean man.

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Speaker 1: But better balls are best for all such a dilemma.

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Speaker 9: I'll tell you all well, john Us next week, because

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Speaker 9: we welcome a blast from the past.

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Speaker 1: A man with two names Barney Frank, and.

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Speaker 9: He talks about all the balls he's seen in the

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Speaker 9: White House over the game.

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Speaker 11: The man with the groove iss dead.

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Speaker 1: Lifeless eyes, black eyes to get dollars.

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Speaker 4: New York Governor hath the Hopel was there at the

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Speaker 4: rally when the texts the rich.

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Speaker 1: Chant broke out.

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Speaker 4: This is left wing, radical revolutionary stuff, so she has

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Speaker 4: to well, here it is.

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Speaker 1: I that's a rich Yeah, I can hear you. But

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Speaker 1: here's my friends, misses orat or not listen. I got

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Speaker 1: one plea for you. I love I love to see

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Speaker 1: this energy and this passion.

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Speaker 12: And for those of you who have not been involved

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Speaker 1: All right, one more things, my friend.

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Speaker 12: This is about this November's election.

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Speaker 5: But take that energy, that passion and take it into

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Speaker 5: twenty six so.

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Speaker 12: Then we can take back to the House or resentatives, take.

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Speaker 3: The set and.

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Speaker 1: Drag they want wait, take back America. Thank you, queens,

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Speaker 4: So she has to pretend she didn't know what they

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Speaker 4: were saying. She says she thought they were chanting, let's

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Speaker 4: go bills.

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Speaker 10: Oh really, given the reception you received last night, I

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Speaker 10: did so Ron's rally where people were chanting, tax the rich,

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Speaker 10: tax the rich. Are you going to hold the line

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Speaker 10: on raising taxes even if it means losing an endorsement

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Speaker 1: I clan hear what they were chanting. I thought they

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Speaker 5: I wasn't.

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Speaker 3: I was when you're up there, I heard some noise,

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Speaker 5: But later on it became clear to me that there

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Speaker 5: is a I know this passion for that, and I

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Speaker 3: I love the energy out there.

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Speaker 1: I told them that.

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Speaker 5: And I want to do is bottle all that up,

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Speaker 5: you know, use it in a few days, but take

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Speaker 5: sure that we.

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Speaker 1: Can stop the insanity that's.

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Speaker 5: Happening now while we're in the minority. While we don't

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Speaker 5: have the power, the levers of power in Washington. I

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Speaker 5: what I saw in that stadium was refreshing and energizing

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Speaker 5: to know we can harn us all that, to be

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Speaker 1: So no, it's a great event.

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Speaker 5: I enjoyed being there.

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Speaker 1: So would you change your mind about taxes because of

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Speaker 10: Because of that and apoations about you him endorsing you, well, well,

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Speaker 10: I didn't ask.

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Speaker 13: Him for his endorsement. That's the only reason he hasn't.

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Speaker 13: They want to know my timely, So let's get through

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Speaker 13: this election. Let's let the focus be on your race.

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Speaker 13: I have a lot of time to roll out my

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Speaker 1: I'll be proud of. So that's unrelated to the event.

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Speaker 1: I want to be there as leader of the.

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Speaker 5: Party and say, do a lot of voices in this party,

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Speaker 5: let's pull it together, let's win this election.

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Speaker 4: And on the twenty six Kathy Holkel has has declared

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Speaker 4: that she is the leader of the Democrat Party. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: she's she says, she is the leader. You know what,

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Speaker 4: it's not all these crazy as it's me. That's like

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Speaker 4: Michael Scott on the office declaring bankruptcy.

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Speaker 1: I declare bankruptcy. Hey, I just wanted you to know

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Speaker 1: that you can't just say the word bankruptcy. I don't

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Speaker 1: expect anything to happen.

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Speaker 3: I didn't say it.

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Speaker 1: I declared it still tax the rich. Sounds just like

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Speaker 1: let's go bills.

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Speaker 4: Remember remember when they were booing Joe Biden and the

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Speaker 4: reporter was trying to help him, and she said, I

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Speaker 4: thought they were saying, let's go Brandon, and so Let's

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Speaker 4: go Brandon became the taunt of the media for their sad, pitiful,

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Speaker 4: prova esque coverage of Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: In fact, we had so much fun with that.

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Speaker 4: That we created Chingo Bling, who's a comedian and a

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Speaker 4: former rapper, and I made our own version of Let's

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Speaker 4: Go Brandon, the Spanish language version, and we called it

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Speaker 4: almost Brandon, Almost Brandon.

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Speaker 1: We had a lot of fun with that. Give it

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Speaker 1: a listen, Let's go.

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Speaker 4: The battle for America today is no longer right versus left, folks.

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Speaker 4: It is those who deny freedom and those who defend it.

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Speaker 4: Americans of all races, religions, backgrounds, financial status are uniting behind.

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Speaker 1: That most American of ideas of freedom.

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Speaker 3: Freedom, leave your hands.

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Speaker 4: So we do these trips to either Aspen or Palm Beach,

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Speaker 1: And I said, dude, what is wrong. I've never known

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Speaker 4: And the devastation too, I mean, this was so dramatic

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Speaker 4: that can help somebody else, whether that's by cyber insurance,

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Speaker 1: To agree to do it. My good friend, Wesley Salmon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Michael.

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Speaker 4: So let's start with and I know you've told me

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Speaker 16: I was mowing the lawn for fun Sunday morning and

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Speaker 3: I got a note and you know, you don't really

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Speaker 16: And then you know, CFO gets on with us, and

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Speaker 16: we couldn't. People couldn't work on their drawings. Our email worked,

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Speaker 4: My my shortcoming as a conversationalist. Why don't you take

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Speaker 16: We're engineering and project management company in the energy business.

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Speaker 16: We can work in forty five different states. You know,

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Speaker 16: We we go all over the place to do engineering,

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Speaker 3: We did the structure for that. But that was that

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Speaker 1: And are y'all based in Baton Rouge or are you

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Speaker 16: Our corporate offices are in are in Mandeville, but we

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Speaker 4: Do you have any sense of how you came to

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Speaker 3: A lot of room. You know.

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Speaker 16: The forensic team, Uh, you know they you know, they

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Speaker 16: you know, I mean that's their job. You know, we're

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I was just we were lucky to have the insurance,

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Speaker 16: We had to do a vigorous audit, you know, it

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Speaker 3: Just for us.

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Speaker 16: We didn't get our accounting system back. It just it

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Speaker 3: And so it's been lingering.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 3: If we wouldn't have.

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Speaker 16: Had the cyber insurance, I can't imagine.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on just a moment. Leslie Salmon is

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Speaker 4: Through a pretty awful situation with his company being hacked

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately I'm hearing more and more of these stories

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Speaker 10: These are the kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: You're like a smack and air ass. My friend wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Salmon owns an engineering front, the family run business. They've

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Speaker 1: A sudden they it hacked.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about who we believe those hackers are and

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Speaker 4: how the FEDS got involved, and how your team got

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Speaker 16: Yeah, we've come to find out. I mean, it's an industry.

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Speaker 16: I mean there's probably we think they were. We were

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Speaker 16: not sure you know what they can or can or

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Speaker 16: But it, like I said before, I mean, they had

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Speaker 3: It was intense.

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Speaker 1: And do we know where they're from, Uh, just.

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Speaker 16: Eastern eastern Europe. You know, they get they get paid

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Speaker 16: Yes, so with understanding is they have like a broker

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Speaker 4: Well, look, this is as we discussed, this is organized crime.

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Speaker 4: Couple of guys with a couple of pistols and what

446
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Speaker 4: you're dealing with. Some of this is state sponsored. Some

447
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 4: of this is has the sophistication of a military operation.

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00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 4: And the more of these cases, you're the first person

449
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 4: I've known of someone that I knew this well, that

450
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Speaker 4: got hacked to this extent. But I'm reading about this

451
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Speaker 4: every day, and when we came back from Palm Beach,

452
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Speaker 4: I had been reading about this since then. This is

453
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Speaker 4: extraordinarily common, And more and more of these stories are

454
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 4: getting out and more and more people are saying, my

455
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 4: life was turned upside down because it's not just you

456
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 4: and your finances and your business that your family has

457
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Speaker 4: worked all these years to build. It's all of your employees.

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Speaker 4: And one thing that people don't understand is when you

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Speaker 4: own a business, these employees are like your own children.

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Speaker 4: You are responsible for them. So how close did you

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Speaker 4: get to losing it all they took over you? How

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Speaker 4: did this affect your operations?

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Speaker 16: The biggest effect we had was our literally our accounting

464
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 16: system did not come back, so we kind of we

465
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 16: had been looking at a new accounting system, so we

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00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 16: made a leap into it. It was I would I

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Speaker 16: describe it as in, you're in a burning car and

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Speaker 16: you're leaping into another burning car. You know that's not

469
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Speaker 16: quite ready for you, and and you jumping it. But

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00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 16: we made the first payroll two weeks after the incident.

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00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 16: You know, we didn't pay everybody correctly, but we paid them.

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Speaker 16: You know, if you don't make payroll, you know, that

473
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Speaker 16: was that was the first job ortunity, you know, and

474
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 16: to keep and then when you still make mistakes and payroll,

475
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Speaker 16: to keep everybody kind of just pushing forward and.

476
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Speaker 3: Trying their best.

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Speaker 16: And then trying to spin up are invoicing in a

478
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Speaker 16: new system that we've never done. And the frustrations, I mean,

479
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Speaker 16: you know people want to just walk away. I mean

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Speaker 16: we're not you know, if you're an invoicer, we're not

481
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Speaker 16: paying you to be completely frustrated twelve days, I mean

482
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Speaker 16: seven days a week, twelve hours a day, you know,

483
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Speaker 16: for weeks on end.

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Speaker 3: Because everything you used.

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Speaker 16: To know, it's kind of I mean, you know, my

486
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 16: partners and I I mean I came on an O seven.

487
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 16: You know, we've grown, and we've grown, and we've grown,

488
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 16: and you don't realize how complicated your systems get. You know,

489
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 16: it's like a bureaucratic creep. And then all the little

490
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 16: things you fixed over the years evaporate and you get

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Speaker 16: hit with fixing.

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Speaker 3: Them all in a short period of time. You know,

493
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Speaker 3: you had was very good with us.

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Speaker 4: You said that there were problems for you. I guess

495
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 4: y'all figured out through the forensics that they had actually

496
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 4: penetrated your system over a year before, and they were

497
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Speaker 4: patient about that.

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Speaker 17: Talk about that if you would, Yeah, I mean our

499
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 17: understanding is our understanding is is you know they'd gotten in.

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Speaker 16: You know a few months later we had some incidents

501
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Speaker 16: and we cleaned it up, and you know, we thought

502
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 16: we cleaned it up, but you know, and then they

503
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 16: then we had nothing for seven eight months, and then

504
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 16: all of a sudden, you know, they're they they were

505
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Speaker 16: able to lock us out. And I think, you know,

506
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Speaker 16: they're professionals. I mean, that's what they do. I mean,

507
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Speaker 16: and we did our best to defend. That's not what

508
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 16: we think about every day, you know. You know, we

509
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 16: sent that a softwares and more security and this and that,

510
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Speaker 16: which I'm guessing everybody's gonna do.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 16: But again I've been I've been telling all my friends,

513
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 16: like you know, call your call your insurance agent. H

514
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 16: look for you know, look into cyber insurance, go through

515
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 16: the painful audit, you know, improve your system.

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Speaker 1: Uh it's and you had cyber insurance, is that right?

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Speaker 16: Yes?

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00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: Yes?

519
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: And so did did they make a payment? What did

520
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Speaker 1: they cover you for? What was the loss they covered?

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00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 16: You know, it had a deductible uh and and and

522
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Speaker 16: and so it paid it paid for They negotiated and

523
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 16: and made a deal. I mean we we didn't even

524
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 16: really have a choice, you know. Uh, they made a deal.

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00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 16: Uh that that the insurance paid for and if everything

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Speaker 16: were to come back two three weeks later, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, I might have have a different story.

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Speaker 3: Might But I mean, and I think I was.

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Speaker 16: I was at a local gas station fishing tackle store

530
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Speaker 16: like the next week and my wife had gone and

531
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Speaker 16: they were closed. So we went the next day and

532
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 16: they're like, yeah, we got a you know, they got

533
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 16: a fishing store at gas station. And you know, I

534
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 16: don't know.

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Speaker 5: It is it is.

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Speaker 3: It's epidemic.

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Speaker 1: It's frustrating because it is. It really feels like.

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Speaker 4: Americans are absolutely under attacked.

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss that coming up.

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Speaker 4: My friend Wesley Salmon from Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned