1 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkoitz. Coming to you hear 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: from our studios at Lambefield, coming off a big weekend, 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: a Packer happenings, Wes, and of course Family Night was 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: the biggest thing. A great crowd, great weather, a fun 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: practice under the lights at Lambeufield, a night the defense 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: definitely got the better of things for the most part 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: throughout the course of the workout. And the discussion of 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: Family Night has to start with young safety Omar Brown. 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: I mean, Omar Brown had a family Night for the ages. 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: And it seems to me, I always say this, there's 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: a defensive back that steps up, somebody that makes some 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 2: plays that maybe is kind of on the come up 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: or is just sort of less less heralded. He has 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: sort of been in the shadows a little bit. I mean, 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: Omar Brown had the best Family Night practice I've ever seen, 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: regardless probably a position. The guy had three interceptions in 19 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: a practice. Yeah we're talking about practice now. He had 20 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: even mentioned he's never had three interceptions in a game 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: before he actually had two picks already to start training 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: camp through the first ad practices, So this is a 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: guy that already was getting noticed a little bit. But 24 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 2: my goodness, man, And it wasn't like they just all 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: just dropped in his lap. The second one kind of did, 26 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: but he put himself in the right position. He had 27 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 2: to make some pretty nifty catches on the other two. 28 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: The first one flashing in front of Malik Willis on 29 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: a goal line red zone drill picks it off. It's 30 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: a bang bang play. You gotta get it. And that 31 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: last one, my goodness, it was like David Tyree, He's 32 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: like kind of pulling it against his helmet a little 33 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: bit and comes down with it and controls it. 34 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, fifty to fifty ball there along the sideline. That 35 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: could have gone either way, and Omar Brown's the guy 36 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: who made the play. 37 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: And Xavier McKinney said afterwards, he's like, you know, I've 38 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: been saying, like, we have a bunch of safeties who 39 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: can play here, and it isn't just the guys on 40 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: the fifty three. It's Omar Brown, who spent all of 41 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: his rookie season on Green Bay's practice squad, was twice 42 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: elevated from the practice squad of the game day roster 43 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: throughout the course of the year. But I'll tell you what, man, 44 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 2: when you're looking for ways to get noticed, this is how. 45 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: You do it. 46 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: It's interesting how this has played out too with Omar 47 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: Brown because a year ago spring of twenty twenty four, 48 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: he was actually brought in. He came to Green Bay 49 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: for a pre draft Visit was going to be a 50 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: late round, undrafted kind of guy. Packers were definitely interested 51 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: in him. But then the way things unfolded. Then throughout 52 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: the spring, the Packers of signed Xavier McKinney. They end 53 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: up drafting three safeties, Javon Bullard, Evan Williams, Katanoladappo. So 54 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: Omar Brown, smartly, I think, decides to go elsewhere as 55 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: an undrafted guy. Like why would you as an undrafted 56 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: safety walk into a place where a team just drafted 57 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: three guys at your position. So he goes to I 58 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: believe it was Denver. 59 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: Denver, and they took care of him. He got a 60 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: nice little bonus out of that. 61 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes to Denver, but then isn't able It 62 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: does doesn't make the team, isn't able to make the 63 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: fifty three man roster, so then he's available at roster 64 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: decision time and the Packers end up offering him a 65 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: practice squad spot, So all of that interest from previously, 66 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, as we know, the Packers keep their files 67 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: on everybody, and they keep their eye on everybody, so 68 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: they bring him back. He does spend the year on 69 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: the practice squad, and now he's kind of becoming that, 70 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, that long shot to watch here in training 71 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: camp at a difficult position because those three draft picks 72 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: are still here. Xavier McKinney is still here, a veteran 73 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: in Zane Anderson who made his contributions last year at 74 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: safety when injuries required for Green Bay. So not an 75 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: easy position to crack the fifty three man roster. But 76 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: as you said, he's got five interceptions now in training 77 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: camp with the three on family Night that leads the team, 78 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: and he's he's definitely become a guy to keep an 79 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: eye on here the rest of training camp through these 80 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: preseason games coming up. 81 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the best compliment I can pay the Packers 82 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: safety group right now, there's probably five guys in that 83 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: room that could have all started at safety during my 84 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: time here. Covering the Packers. I go back to two thousand. 85 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: I'll never forget this twenty thirteen, myself and Pete Doherty 86 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: at the Green Bay Press because that we're sitting down 87 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 2: and Pete was actually charting out, trying to figure out, okay, 88 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: is there a possibility that could only keep three safeties 89 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: on this team in twenty thirteen and Chris Banjo ended 90 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: up being the fourth that made it. So there was 91 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: a guy that did end up grabbing that number four spot, 92 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: But it just shows you how deep that position has gotten, 93 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: how versatile that position is. Zane Anderson Obviously we've seen 94 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: with Javon Buller those guys have the ability to play 95 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 2: the slot that gives you some more flexibility as well. 96 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: But Omar brown Man, this has been an impressive deal 97 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: with him so far, and again you have to carry 98 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: it over in the preseason. You have to build and 99 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: stack those days consistently. But you can't get noticed if 100 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: you don't get noticed. And this guy certainly is thrown 101 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: the spotlight on himself. 102 00:04:59,200 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: A little bit. 103 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: And he wasn't the only guy with some interceptions. On 104 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: Family and Night. We also saw Carrington Valentine make a 105 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: really nice play on a seam ball for Matthew Golden. 106 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: This was an interception of Jordan Love Omar Brown. Just 107 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: to clarify, two of his came against Malik Willis, the 108 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: other one against Taylor Elgerzma Carrington. Valentine intercepted Jordan Love 109 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: on a ball. It was a kind of an overthrown 110 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: scene pass for Matthew Golden. Golden kind of pulled up 111 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: on the route and Valentine kept going and he kind 112 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: of makes a lunging interception, is able to pluck the 113 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: ball just before it hits the ground. That's Valentine's fourth 114 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: interception of training camp. So Omar Brown with five, Carrington 115 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: Valentine with four, and then Kaylan King also gets an interception. 116 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: And I think both not just from the interceptions, but 117 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: both Valentine and King, two young cornerbacks with you know, 118 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: heading for different roles here, but I think both of 119 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: those guys are off to pretty strong starts to camp. 120 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, Valentine, we've seen this for years now, 121 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: but as he's even talked about himself the one missing 122 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: piece for the interceptions. He'd get his hand on passes 123 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: and then he just want to be able to bring 124 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: it in the catch he made, and I'm going to 125 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: call it a catch on that ball from Jordan Love. 126 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: I mean that is, if you were trying to run 127 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 2: the route and pull that ball down, it would not 128 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: have been easy, and he made it look seamless. And 129 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: now you know, we'll have to see exactly what's going 130 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: to happen here with Nate Hobbs dealing with the knee injury. 131 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: But Carrington Valentine's probably in for a lot of snaps here. 132 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: The rest of the way of this training camp. 133 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: Sure looks that way. 134 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: And he has experienced, He's been there, He's been played 135 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: in some major situations. He was out there for the 136 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: playoff game. But fact is, man, he's still a young player, 137 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: and as he continues to build up his arsenal and 138 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,559 Speaker 2: his repertoire here, we've set it time and time again. 139 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: But this guy, this isn't just some great seventh round 140 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 2: pick story. Carrington Valentine's becoming a very critical part of 141 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 2: this Packers defense. 142 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think his importance, I guess you would say, 143 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: continues to rise. He was already going to be playing 144 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: an important part of this defense and everything he's done 145 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: in training camp up to this point, and as you 146 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: said now that Nate Hobbs is dealing with a knee injury, 147 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: and we'll see where that goes. But Valentine continues to 148 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: rise in importance, and we've talked about the cornerback depth. 149 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: Where is this going to go? Klein King one of 150 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: those guys who's trying to yes, make a name for 151 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: himself and get on this fifty three man roster after 152 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: spending his rookie year as a seventh round pick on 153 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: the practice squad. Kicker Brandon McManus eight for eight. Now, 154 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: I will say there have been some things out there, 155 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: and there is the video to prove it that at 156 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: the end of the warm ups before practice actually started, 157 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: Brandon McManus missed the extra point before everything got rolling. 158 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: So technically I guess he's missed two kicks in training 159 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: camp now. But as far as during the actual practice time, 160 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: he is thirty six out of thirty seven through the 161 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: first nine practices of training camp. Man oh Man, I 162 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: mean he just and you talked to him last week. 163 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: He looks like he's kind of turned back the clock 164 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: a little bit in his career. He doesn't he doesn't 165 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: look like you know, the the ten to eleven year 166 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: vet that he now is. He's looking like a younger 167 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: kicker and the results are showing it. 168 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny how to see the strength and conditioning 169 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: programs in the National Football League and how they've evolved. 170 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 2: Not to say that kickers weren't always in tremendous physical condition, 171 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: but I even think at the end of Mason Crosby's 172 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: career what Mason was doing to keep his body together 173 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: and make sure that he was going to be ready 174 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: and be able to perform at the level that he 175 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 2: had grown accustomed to. McMahon has just turned thirty four, 176 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: but as he said a conversation I should say, as 177 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: Britch Pasaci said a conversation that they had was you know, 178 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: talking about being twenty two again and now you have 179 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 2: the experience. But if you can get your body in 180 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: a play where you still feel good, how far that 181 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: could take you. What I see the most from McManus though, 182 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: is just how locked in this guy is. And it's 183 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: special to watch when you see an NFL kicker have 184 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: the confidence, the talent, the ability, and just that narrow 185 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 2: vision of what he has to accomplish when he gets 186 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: on the field. Spoiler alert, this Saturday's program for the 187 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: game for the Packers Jets game is going to be 188 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: the Packers three specialists, And McManus said, you know, he's 189 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: never really had the same holder and long. 190 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 3: Snapper in back to back seasons. 191 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: He thinks it happened once before where it's been the 192 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,239 Speaker 2: same two in that battery. And he's a very particular 193 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: kicker in terms of what he wants with the ball, lean, 194 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: the placement, the whole operation. Now you have Matt or 195 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: Zick the long snapper knows what he wants Daniel Wheel 196 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: and has formed a tremendous operation with him on the holds. 197 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: This is a guy that I think is in his 198 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: comfort zone right now. And mentally he wasn't he said, 199 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: He even talked about he wasn't here for all the 200 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: Packers offseason program. He went back, spent a lot of 201 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 2: time with his family. I think there was like a 202 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: trip to Europe in there. During the break between Mini 203 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: camp and training camp. He did a lot to refresh 204 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: himself mentally, but physically. The guy came back in the 205 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: best shape of his career. 206 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, there are a few injuries to talk 207 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: about here, and we'll see shortly after we turn off 208 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: the cameras here we'll be headed out to the practice field, 209 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: so some of this information could change. But as it 210 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: related to Family Night, left tackle Rashid Walker dealing with 211 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: a groin injury. So we saw Jordan Morgan, the twenty 212 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: twenty four first round draft pick, took the Lion's share 213 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: of the reps there at left tackle with the first unit. 214 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: Tucker Craft sat out Family Night also with a groin injury. 215 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: Sounded like it was being very precautionary, just super super 216 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: cautious with something that had kind of been bugging him 217 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: a little bit, and they didn't want to didn't want 218 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: to really aggravate anything there. And then Emmanuel Wilson, who 219 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: we saw on Friday, he went down in practice, kind 220 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: of fell awkwardly trying to make a catchdown field and 221 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: he was being tended to by the trainers for a while. 222 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: Kind of a scary looking situation. It sounds like from 223 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: the initial reports that he has avoided a significant knee injury. 224 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: We don't really know anything yet as far as how 225 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: long he's going to be out, but it doesn't sound 226 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: like it's a serious deal. Just the same way that 227 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: Marshawn Lloyd at running back. His groin injury is not 228 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: a serious deal, so we'll see when those guys get back. 229 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: But right now the Packers a little bit thin at 230 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: running back and providing some opportunities for those younger guys. 231 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and first I kind of smirked the when you're 232 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: talking about injuries because I saw some of the photos 233 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: of like Tucker Craft on the field afterwards with his family, 234 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: his newborn daughter. 235 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: He looks like he's going to be okay. 236 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: He looked like a guy that wasn't stressing too much 237 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 2: about about things. I think it's just going to be 238 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: careful with someone like that, given the role that he's 239 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: going to have on this offense. And as I wrote 240 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: an Insider Inbox, every major soft tissue injury, most that 241 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: I've come across, all started as a minor soft tissue injury, 242 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 2: So you want to be smart about that. 243 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: Very true. 244 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 2: The running back position is very interesting right now because, yeah, 245 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: you have obviously Josh Jacobs, who has just been the 246 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: bell cow every single day since he got here. Chris 247 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 2: Brooks came in after at the beginning of the last season. 248 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 2: He's been in that de facto number two role now 249 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: with Emmanuel Wilson and Marshall Lloyd both on the sidelines. 250 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: But as you talked about, there's gonna be a lot 251 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: opportunities for young guys. Amar Johnson's a guy that has 252 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: really impressed me so far. You can see him run 253 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 2: with power. He missed the beginning of training camp, I believe, 254 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: with the hamstring, but has come back and has looked good. 255 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: They still have some bodies there and the guys that'll 256 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: probably be handling the lion's share of these touches in 257 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: this preseason game against the Jets. Yeah, but certainly those 258 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: top four. That was where green Bay looked at their 259 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: strength of this position. It's why you and I talked 260 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: about all offseason about how strong they were in the backfield. 261 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: It was Jacobs, Wilson, Brooks and Lloyd and right now 262 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: that's have so seeing exactly where that takes them here 263 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: and when they could potentially get both Lloyd and and 264 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: Wilson back in the fold is going to be critical, 265 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: I think for green Bay. I mean, Wilson had one 266 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: hundred carries last year. Yeah, we talked so much about 267 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: the first time Josh Jacobs or the second time in 268 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: his Josh Jay Cup said three hundred carries in a season. 269 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: Emanuel Wilson is the number two, had one hundred. I 270 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: mean the Packers ran the ball a ton last season. 271 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, They're they're looking for They're looking to have 272 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: the depth to carry them through seventeen, hopefully seventeen plus 273 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: games here once the regular season rolls around before we 274 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: shift gears. Any other observations from Family Night that you 275 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: think we should toss out here and make sure that 276 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: we don't ignore. 277 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: You're big on social media. I know you're big on 278 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: social media. I have over two million views now on 279 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: Twitter of my Romeo Dobbs catching that last ball of 280 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: the punt return drill. 281 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: Did you oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we were, Yeah, we 282 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: were watching that. 283 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 3: He caught six footballs in his hands. 284 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: And then unfortunately, I think he had one between his legs. 285 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: One between his like yeah, sorry, get that in the 286 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: record book, and he unfortunately is the seventh. 287 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 3: He's calling for the seventh one. He loses one. Two 288 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 3: of them fall out. He gives up on the driller. 289 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: It looks like it. He just flashes his hand out there. 290 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: And catches a punt from like sixty yards out off 291 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: of jugs machine, Like your kid just threw a nerf 292 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: ball at you in the living room, right, I mean, 293 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: what the heck man? I mean, NFL receiver hands are ridiculous. 294 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: But yeah, to that point, injuries happening at running back. 295 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: Also injuries right now for Green Bay at the receiver position. 296 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: But steady as he goes every single summer. We talk 297 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: about Romeo Dobbs being a guy that just performs, and 298 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: I thought last week had probably his best week of 299 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: practice so far. 300 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought. I thought Dobbs is just he's just 301 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: a consistent presence. You know what you're gonna get, he's 302 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: going to deliver for you. And you know, he's a 303 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: quiet guy. 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Sterling Sharp became the Green 322 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: Bay Packers twenty ninth inductee into the Pro Football Hall 323 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: of Fame in Canton, Ohio. Gave what I felt was 324 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: a rather memorable speech there on the stage at Tom 325 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: Benson Hall of Fame Stadium in Canton. Goes back to 326 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: everything with the relationship with his brother Shannon. His younger 327 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: brother Shannon, who was inducted into the Hall of Fame 328 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: fourteen years ago and famously said during his Hall of 329 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: Fame speech, I am the only member of the Pro 330 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame who is the second best player 331 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: in his own family. One of the greatest lines I 332 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: think maybe ever delivered in a Hall of Fame speech. 333 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 3: Well right behind that one from Leroy BI. 334 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's right, Leroy. Butler had his memorable ones 335 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: as well. 336 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 3: I'm sorry to rut that's okay. 337 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: But then, also in conjunction with their relationship, when Shannon Sharp, 338 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: the younger brother, won his first Super Bowl, which actually 339 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: was against the Green Bay Packers Super Bowl thirty two, 340 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: he gave his Super Bowl ring to his older brother 341 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: who had retired at that point. That had been three 342 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: years earlier. Sharling had been forced to retire career cut 343 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: short by the neck injury. Shannon, of course didn't even 344 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: know he was going to get two more Super Bowl 345 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: rings before he was done, but he gave his first 346 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:16,239 Speaker 1: Super Bowl ring to his older brothers. Yeah, yeah, so 347 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: there you go. But in a gesture to return the favor, 348 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: so to speak, Sterling brought his brother up on the 349 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: stage during the speech and he said, well, you said 350 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: you were the only Hall of Famer who was the 351 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: second best player in your own family. I want you 352 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: to be the only Hall of Famer with two gold jackets. 353 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: And he presented his gold jacket to his younger brother. 354 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: So Green Bay Packers now with twenty nine Pro Football 355 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: Hall of Famers. The Chicago Bears have thirty two. For 356 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: those who are interested, I have a story on Packers 357 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: dot Com taking a look at are there ways for 358 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: the Packers maybe to catch the Bears? And you know, 359 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: those are the two franchises with the most by the way, 360 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: Chicago thirty two, Bay with twenty nine. But it was 361 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: great to see Sterling Sharp get into the Hall of Fame. 362 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I couldn't help feeling like 363 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: Mike Holmgren should have been part of this Hall of 364 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: Fame class as well. And I know we don't have 365 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: enough time to talk about that whole thing right now, 366 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: but bar I just now, I just flipped a switch 367 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: on Wes. 368 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 3: You had to say the MH words. Mike. You know 369 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 3: it's tough. 370 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: Mike Holmgren should have been in this Hall of Fame class. 371 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: He should have been. This was his opportunity. They changed 372 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: the whole voting system and everything with the coach and 373 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: senior candidates. Congrats to Sharp for surviving. Yeah, a very 374 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: difficult voting process for those in these categories. Holmgren unfortunately 375 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: did not reach the voting threshold to get in. I 376 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: don't know if Mike Holmgren's going to get another opportunity 377 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: like this, and uh, and quite frankly, it stinks because 378 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: I thought it would have been pretty cool for Sterling 379 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: Sharp and Mike Holmgren to go in together, and unfortunately 380 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: that didn't happen. 381 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 2: I think I would challenge you and I to maybe, 382 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 2: if we want, maybe revisit this again at the end 383 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: of the week, because I have some thoughts on this. 384 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 2: The NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame, not NFL, but 385 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 2: the Profooba Hall Fame voters continually botch this. They botched 386 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: the centennial class in twenty twenty. They tried to now 387 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: tighten the belt at the exact wrong time. You cut 388 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 2: down the coach categories. There was like eight stories we 389 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: had to write on it, going from quadruple finalists to 390 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 2: quarter finalists to whatever. And then you don't the guy 391 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 2: that makes it, you don't put him in because of 392 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: this antiquated voting system. And I can give you the 393 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: details on that later this week if you want, on 394 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: why it was so difficult to get more people through 395 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 2: this year because the voting system was completely flawed. But 396 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 2: be that as it may. I don't want to take 397 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: away from Sharp here. I was too young to really 398 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: appreciate challenge or excuse me Sterling Sharp. I saw plenty 399 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 2: of Shannon Sterling Sharp in the bulk of his career, 400 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: but I do remember the ninety four season, and I've 401 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: gone back over the years and watched his clips on YouTube. 402 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: What Sterling Sharp did at the body type, with the 403 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 2: body type he was. I mean, this is not Megatron. 404 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 2: This is one of probably the most awesome football players 405 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: I think we've seen in the modern era. I mean, 406 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 2: he was a football player. He was a wide receiver, 407 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 2: he was a multiple time All Pro now a Pro 408 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: Football Hall of Famer, led the league in receiving a 409 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 2: few years, but he just was a prodigy. And to 410 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 2: finally see them write this, especially after what happened with 411 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 2: Tony Bisselli get in and also Terrell Davis getting in, 412 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: I felt like it was necessary that that Sterling Sharp 413 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 2: gets his due. 414 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: That's what's been interesting about this whole thing, kind of 415 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: in the good and the bad, is that we've seen 416 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: we've seen the sentiments, We've seen the sentiments of voters change, 417 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: but then we've also seen the processes change and in 418 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: the sentiments changing. The whole thing about short careers and 419 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: guys who weren't able to get in. For the longest time, 420 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: the only guy with a real short career got in 421 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: was Gail Sayers, right, he was such a singular talent. 422 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: But then Terrell Davis got in, and then through the 423 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: senior committee, Kenny Easley, the safety from Seattle, got in, 424 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: and then Tony Bisselli from the Jacksonville Jaguars, and interestingly, 425 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: now Terrell Davis, I think sort of goes in a 426 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: different category because he was an NFL MVP and a 427 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP two thousand yard rusher at the time, 428 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,959 Speaker 1: which was extremely rare. But that being said, Terrell Davis, 429 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: Tony Bisselli, Kenny Easley all played seven seasons, all were 430 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: first team All Pro three times. Sterling Sharp seven seasons, 431 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: first team All Pro three times. So you could see 432 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: the door was opening and Sterling was able to get 433 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: in there. Unfortunately, because of the process changing, suddenly, now 434 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: Mike Holmgren isn't able to isn't able to get in, 435 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: and we will revisit this because we're running out of 436 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: time here today. But now the voting process has changed 437 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: to make it difficult for some people in some other 438 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: categories and whatnot. And so it's just it's hard to 439 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, the system. The system hasn't been the same, 440 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: and when they keep changing things, then it's hard to 441 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: really it's hard to really know what's next. 442 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: I will close on this and then you can go 443 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: off or do whatever you want to do. The coach 444 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: candidate and the senior finalists and if there's a contribute, 445 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: just put them in. If you want to tighten the belt, 446 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: tighten the belt on the modern era. Yeah, don't penalize 447 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: the guys that already have had to wait for this. 448 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: This is why we got in the Jerry Kramer situation 449 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 2: to begin with. Jerry Kramer was a finalist for the 450 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame in nineteen ninety seven when I was eight. 451 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: Years old, and that was as a Senior Committee. 452 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 3: As a Senior Committee finalist. 453 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 2: If you're going to go through all this pomp and circumstance, 454 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 2: but you want to now for whatever reason, because you 455 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: just let in twenty eight people five years ago. If 456 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: you want to tighten the belt, tighten it. 457 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: On the modern era. 458 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: Don't penalize the coaches that have had to now wait 459 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: to get in in the first place before they change 460 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 2: the rules, and now you're tightening the belt and looping 461 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 2: them back in with the modern era guys again. 462 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 3: Anyway, I'm done. 463 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: Okay, we do have to go, but it sounds like 464 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna have another interesting discussion about. 465 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: I'm gonna get those stats for you, so. 466 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: We are going to call it a rap. 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