WEBVTT - Brian Schneider Breaks Down the New NFL Kickoff Rule | Press Pass 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.840 Good, good, go ahead. Any questions you guys have, So. 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:04.680 What do you know now about the kickoff role that 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:06.280 you didn't know the last time we talked to you. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:08.239 Well, you can't put the tee or the ball and 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:10.160 the t flat like that. That's what I do know. 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:12.280 And there's probably gonna be more changes, that's the other 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:14.800 thing I know. So we'll deal with it as they come. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.240 Did you guys do that earlier in camp before you're. 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.560 Told not to. No, we messed around with some different things, 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:23.239 but that's one of the things you looked at or 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:25.800 heard about. But yeah, that's off the table now, so 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:29.360 we'll just go with how it ever plays out of. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.560 What you look for in the kicker change in terms 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.320 of you know, obviously hangtiming distance maybe less important than 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:37.199 how you can control those line drive kicks and things 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:38.919 like that. What's the difference. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.120 From Yeah, you just said that's probably the easiest way 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.400 to explain it. Hangtime does not matter at all anymore. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.480 So placement where you're going with it, or I think 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:49.839 what a lot of things are going to happen, and 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.760 we call them dirty balls, where once it hits the ground, 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.000 that's when everyone can move. So whether it's that extreme 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.280 or just more of a line drive. That's what I 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.200 think is gonna happen. So more target practice basically instead 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:07.560 of hangtime is out, doesn't matter? Good? Yeah, no good. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.080 That's something he's been working on all summer and he's 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:12.520 been preparing for it, and that it just changes, you know, 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.920 their whole lives. Kickers have been told hangtime number one 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.560 and placement, you know, and now hangtime's out, so it's 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:19.440 really displacement. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.960 You done any research on defensive guys who have played soccer? 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.399 Oh yeah, oh yeah, we ask everybody and you have 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.080 to have a guy to do that. And I think 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.000 with the position player, if you had one, there's just 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:33.160 a lot that goes into it. You know, through the game, 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.880 if he's playing, if he gets sore, and you know, 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.520 it's such a if you get outside the target line, 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.400 if you get outside the twenty, you know, that's pretty 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.760 big penalty starting on the forty. So that's going to 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.080 happen too. If with guys that don't kick every day, 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.520 you know, So we don't have a guy, but what 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:50.440 we'll see who does it. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.640 We saw Demo lobbying for doing getting some kickoffs, so 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.040 I'm sure that decision will be made by Kyle. But 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:00.760 is there something to that where a guy powerful like 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.760 that can hit the middle and only. 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.040 The kicker is going to be there. Uh yeah, I 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.000 think there's a lot of things that nobody knows what 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.840 it's going to look like. The one thing I do 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.000 know though, is you have to have returners that can 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.600 get to the ball. It that just with what I 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:17.440 said about the kickers. When you take hangtime out of it, 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.920 it's it's gonna start in the simplest form to me 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.399 as a kicker and returner game because they're the only 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.680 ones that can move until the ball either touches somebody 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.840 or hits the ground. So right there, simplify that to 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.320 me is like, Okay, that's where it starts. So that's 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:33.240 where the game starts. 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.080 To me, it looks like Moody broke the team down 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:37.960 at the inner practice today. 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:39.480 Yeah, Kyle, Kyle brought him up there. 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.920 Yet I'll say about that and how it has Moody performed. 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.800 Moody's done a really nice job. He's It's always fun 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.520 seeing guys in their second year come in the building 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.320 when camp starts. You know, I saw it in Jake, 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.640 you see it in the winners. You see it in Graham. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:56.600 You see in those guys it's just a whole different 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.959 feel where their body feels like, how comfortable they are. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.919 They know exactly what it looks like. So they're all 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.280 really excited. And Jake was no different on that. He was. 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.240 It's just a different mentality coming in year two. 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.040 Second, you're a Luder obviously had a you know, mishappen 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:12.640 the Super Bowl. 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:14.720 How is he? You've seen him respond from that, and 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.160 Loud's great. I Luder is a great worker. He gets 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.360 better every day. You know, he was on pup for 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:22.840 a while last year, I think, so it took him 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.600 longer to develop. But no, he's excellent. He works great. 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:26.280 Love him. 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:29.280 When you're looking at the punt returners and you have 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.560 Trent Taylor back there who's very experienced. Is I guess 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.160 is he more of a natural fielder of the punt 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:36.680 than maybe Ricky Pierce? 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.840 All he seems like he's learning how to do it. 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.200 I would say Trent is just so good because so 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.120 many reps he's had. You know, the punt return is 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.520 a thing of reps. So the more reps you see 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.960 at the ball flight, the different nos where the ball 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.080 is going and just fielding the ball. So Trent is 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.480 excellent back there. He's done it for so long, so confident, 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.680 so cool, and and so it's really cool to get 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.800 all those guys as many reps we can and helping 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.280 every it's about just getting the reps so that that's 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:04.720 where he looks really natural at it. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.400 He tried multiple combinations for kick returner. Are you still 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.080 kind of working through what you're looking for or is 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.400 the idea that, hey, we may have multiple combinations that 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.400 we use it at various points this year. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.440 We're trying everyone there. Basically every running back is back 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.520 there with the receivers that we're trying everybody. And I think, 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.880 what what I'm anticipating it looks like, and I'd rather 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:30.000 anticipate this way is all the different kind of balls 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.040 you're going to get. And I think when you can 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.839 move returners around again the cat and mouse game, but 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.520 also there's a lot like you put Debo and Juice 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:43.520 back there. They have a real instinctual piece about them, 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.200 like when you like, My job as a coach is 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.040 to give them any tells. We have to let them 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.279 know where we think the ball is going by alignment, 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.040 by the kicker by the whatever it is, give them 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.000 that information so they can anticipate where the ball is going. 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.279 But now there's some just an internal instincts that really 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.920 good football players have that I don't know if they 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.760 can tell you why they felt something, but moving with 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.560 the kicker as it comes. So it's all about fielding 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.160 a ball clean. So if I'm on kickoff return, when 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.040 we're doing kickoff return, if we can field the ball clean, 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.320 we have all the advantage. There is no advantage for 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:22.800 the kickoff team. It's zero if on our kickoff team 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.800 as we're covering, if we can get the returner not 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.440 catch it clean, that's the only advantage I see for 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.120 a kickoff team. Or the hit the ground going to 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:33.800 the end zone. And now the ball's at the twenty, 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.080 So another dirty ball is the way we look at it. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.520 So that's where I see And if it's not that, 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.279 it's not that, but I want to start there. 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.560 Juice in particular, just because of they have so much experience, 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.760 you know, in the run game, like in the actual offense. 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:48.719 Is that almost how you have to view it as like, hey, 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.120 there's an element here too. If these guys are familiar 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.520 in that way in terms of like deuo running behind 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:54.480 juice or whatever. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.640 Yeah, I just if it turns into trying to steal 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.520 possessions from our team, or it turns into trying to 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.679 win field position by kicking dirty balls and trying that's 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.280 what teams because in special teams, teams try to tax 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.680 that way. We've had multiple teams try to fake punts 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:14.239 against us, you know, to steal another possession. So going 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.120 into that, I almost kind of look at it. You 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:18.320 have to have your best players back there if that's 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.640 what they're doing, and think of hands team. You know, 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.080 when we do a hands team at the end of 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.960 a game, we have all our best players there. And 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.880 the reason they're there is they are our best players. 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.520 They have the instinct, the ability, whatever it is, the 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.840 no hesitation, something told them to do something and they 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.480 move on it. So that's kind of how we look 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.920 at it. And we're trying a bunch of different guys there, 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:41.479 see who has the skill set there. 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.400 You talk to Chris Firster at all just in terms 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.279 of like blocking schemes big picture on those returns. 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.599 Absolutely, yeah, the kickoff return looks more like an offense 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.760 or defensive player than a kickoff or a kickoff return, 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.839 So all those principles, I think it's way more comparable 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.840 on an offense and defense how it's lined up. The 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.000 difference is how we get there on a kickoff return 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.080 is different than how offensive defense get there. But once 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:10.160 you get engaged, all football rules are the same. So 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.800 that's that's the thing we're trying to figure out, is 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.760 what is where our eyes going, where's our helmet going, 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.720 what is our steps? How are we getting there? How 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.440 do we get to that spot? And then it's really 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:26.560 just a football play. It's an offense defensive play where leverage, head, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:31.120 hand placement, footwork, eyes, physicality, all of it. So that's 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:32.680 what we're trying to figure out, and we don't know 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:34.600 what it looks like yet. 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.600 Are these three three preseason games? Are you going to 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:39.360 get more out of this than you've gotten out of 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:40.440 preseason in years? 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.000 Absolutely? I mean I can't wait for Thursday night to 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.520 see what it looks like. So every preseason game. I 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.120 don't think it's going to end until the end of 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.080 the season. I mean, think of like I just compared 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.840 it to an offensive defensive play. Right, the fundamentals of 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.800 football haven't changed all that much. We know all those answers, 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:03.160 but take Kyle's offense right the outside zone that he 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:07.240 was running here in seventeen. There's probably a lot more 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.240 wrinkles to it now. In fact, there is a lot 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.440 more wrinkles to it now because they have so much 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.760 history on it. They start scheming on it. You see 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.200 what the defense is doing, and it evolves. No one 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:20.400 has any information on this play zero, So as the 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:24.160 plays happen, as schemes happen, as you see things and 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.200 put what they're doing, what they're doing, what works with us, 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.080 what we've already done, it's going to be constantly evolving 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.040 until we get enough information on it and then you 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.120 can start moving. So it's going to be an adjustment 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:36.560 all year. Talk to other. 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.240 Special teams, coaches around the league, or are guys in 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.559 your position around the league being real inquisitive with one 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:43.520 another about this. 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:47.640 To try to conquer this whole thing. Well, that question 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.760 was asked in spring, and we had a couple big 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.199 all special teams. I think we had three zoom meetings, 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.679 so it was really clear to everybody. I talked to 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:56.720 a couple guys I know, and they were being quiet. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:00.160 I haven't talked to anybody. So that's the tape is 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:01.320 going to be the work. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.240 You know, well, you haven't seen this play live very much, right, 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.720 I mean you practice this play, but as far as 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.640 live reps of it, how many reps have we've. 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.880 Seen whatever you call and practice live. Whatever we can 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.400 do which is going to be different when it actually 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:20.000 is tackling, and when that's the difference the speed, Like, 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.080 we know how fast guys run down the field in 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.440 the old all the kickoffs I've ever coached and our 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.200 players have ever run, we know exactly how fast the 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.720 guys are. We know exactly what moves they do. We 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.160 know when they go back door or away from the 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:36.440 return if they have enough speed to get there. So 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.960 you take all that speed out, and now we don't 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.079 know what it looks like when the returner is going left. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:43.560 I don't know if I can go back door. I 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.400 don't know if I can go and have enough speed 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.480 to get there. So all those things and now those 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.360 decisions have to be made within this five yards. So 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.360 think of it last year. If if I'm on the 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.080 kickoff team and all of us are running the balls kicked, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.000 we're moving, we have four seconds to take in all 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:01.920 all the information that the other team has given us, 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:06.160 how the returner, where he's moving, what is the blocking scheme, 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.120 how deep are they're going. So guys have always processed 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:12.280 a kickoff that way, running full speed and all these 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:17.440 indicators getting them to the football. Now and just train 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.960 and think of this. I mean every play these guys 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.880 have ever done. When the ball is snapped, everybody moves. 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.520 Right when the ball is kicked, everybody moves. And then 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.520 that's how they've trained their whole life on moving and 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.880 making decisions. Now the ball is kicked, they don't move, 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.280 and now they have to process all that thing without moving. 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.559 And it to me, I mean it might sound like, yeah, 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.880 that's easy. I don't know if it is easy. Some 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.480 guys can't process all that. They have to process a 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:49.080 totally different way. So that's where we started. Let's start 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.360 there because we don't know what everything else looks like. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.320 But what is different about this play? How can we 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:58.280 train our eyes and our footwork and our decision making 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.360 with the information we have now, and then when it happens, 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.640 it happens really fast. So if you're false stepping, if 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.160 you don't have a plan, it's going to be too quick. Marna. 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.920 Can the athleticism of a long snapper of Tabor be 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:12.520 something that can tip the. 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:14.760 Scales at this point now in terms of. 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.760 The return, like they can be more involved. Like it's 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:21.760 not something that it doesn't appear that maybe the athletics 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.320 of a long snapper was as valued as maybe it 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.120 is now when you're in this situation. 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.400 Yeah, for punts, that's that's always going to be it. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.520 But for kickoffs, Pep would not be involved in that. 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.120 They'll just do punt stuff. And we always work on 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.440 him trying to be a factor in coverage because those 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.640 are always the best long snappers is the ones that 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:42.920 cannot be a factor. Thank you guys,