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Speaker 2: What do you know now about the kickoff role that

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Speaker 2: you didn't know the last time we talked to you.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can't put the tee or the ball and

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Speaker 1: And there's probably gonna be more changes, that's the other

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Speaker 2: Did you guys do that earlier in camp before you're.

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Speaker 1: Told not to. No, we messed around with some different things,

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Speaker 3: What you look for in the kicker change in terms

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Speaker 1: So placement where you're going with it, or I think

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Speaker 2: We saw Demo lobbying for doing getting some kickoffs, so

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that decision will be made by Kyle. But

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Speaker 1: To try to conquer this whole thing. Well, that question

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Speaker 1: think of it last year. If if I'm on the

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Speaker 1: kickoff team and all of us are running the balls kicked,

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Speaker 1: we're moving, we have four seconds to take in all

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Speaker 1: all the information that the other team has given us,

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Speaker 1: how deep are they're going. So guys have always processed

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Speaker 1: a kickoff that way, running full speed and all these

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Speaker 1: indicators getting them to the football. Now and just train

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Speaker 1: and think of this. I mean every play these guys

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Speaker 1: have ever done. When the ball is snapped, everybody moves.

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Speaker 1: Right when the ball is kicked, everybody moves. And then

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Speaker 1: that's how they've trained their whole life on moving and

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Speaker 1: making decisions. Now the ball is kicked, they don't move,

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Speaker 1: and now they have to process all that thing without moving.

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Speaker 1: And it to me, I mean it might sound like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's easy. I don't know if it is easy. Some

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Speaker 1: guys can't process all that. They have to process a

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Speaker 1: totally different way. So that's where we started. Let's start

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Speaker 1: there because we don't know what everything else looks like.

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Speaker 1: But what is different about this play? How can we

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Speaker 1: train our eyes and our footwork and our decision making

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Speaker 1: with the information we have now, and then when it happens,

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Speaker 1: it happens really fast. So if you're false stepping, if

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Speaker 1: you don't have a plan, it's going to be too quick. Marna.

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Speaker 4: Can the athleticism of a long snapper of Tabor be

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Speaker 4: something that can tip the.

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Speaker 1: Scales at this point now in terms of.

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Speaker 4: The return, like they can be more involved. Like it's

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Speaker 4: not something that it doesn't appear that maybe the athletics

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Speaker 4: of a long snapper was as valued as maybe it

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Speaker 4: is now when you're in this situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for punts, that's that's always going to be it.

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Speaker 1: But for kickoffs, Pep would not be involved in that.

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Speaker 1: They'll just do punt stuff. And we always work on

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Speaker 1: him trying to be a factor in coverage because those

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Speaker 1: are always the best long snappers is the ones that

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Speaker 1: cannot be a factor. Thank you guys,