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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bar.

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Speaker 2: Blazarre and Lazarn So everybody nailed it, joined as always

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Speaker 2: by our bar gap gap. Here is Evan Lazar and

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Speaker 2: Alex Bars. This is a trend. They are as close

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Speaker 2: starting defense, they get beat by the script yep, then

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Speaker 2: the game declares I have seen on film. You know,

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Speaker 2: they do get better as the game where is on

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Speaker 2: the coverage improves as a result of path rush is

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Speaker 2: improving throughout the entire game. They have a good run defense.

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Speaker 2: They're not giving up much on the ground. Their defense

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Speaker 2: PostScript is a top ten defense in the NFL. Well,

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Speaker 2: same exact formula this week. Yet, uh, it's funny and

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Speaker 2: I I think about this way too much because I

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Speaker 2: think about all this stuff way too much. Of like,

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Speaker 2: how much does their early game struggles really matter? Because

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Speaker 2: if they keep on just closing the door on the

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Speaker 2: third drive on from the game right and they give up,

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Speaker 2: I don't know even in a bad day. Let's say

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Speaker 2: they give up fourteen points early in the game on

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Speaker 2: back to back dr eves and they don't give up

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Speaker 2: any points the rest of the game, then Drake may

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Speaker 2: is gonna score seventeen and they're gonna win the game.

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Speaker 2: So it's just like, I don't know how much any

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Speaker 2: of it matters. But their script versus nonscript, we'll get

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Speaker 2: into that in a little bit, is crazy. The splits

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Speaker 2: like literally worse to first, Like they're the worst defense

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Speaker 2: in the league in the beginning of the game and

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Speaker 2: they're the best defense in the league in the second half.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty incredible. Anyways, jumping right into it at Alex

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Speaker 2: bart Evan Lazar Patriots Catch twenty two with you for

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Speaker 2: the next couple of hours here talking Patriots football. I

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Speaker 2: want it. I was all prepared, Alex to talk about

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Speaker 2: this Browns game, the good, the bad, the stuff that

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Speaker 2: gets you beat from this game against Cleveland, and then

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Speaker 2: the last night or yesterday, I should say, really starting

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Speaker 2: around noon with the Marcus Jones extension. The Patriots has

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Speaker 2: made a lot of news. They all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: had a busy day. So I want to start with

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Speaker 2: the news of the day yesterday with the three transactions,

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Speaker 2: and then we'll also get into this Browns game. And

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Speaker 2: then I do want to talk a little bit about

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Speaker 2: the Falcons because I find the Falcons to be a

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Speaker 2: pretty fascinating team. They are because I look at them

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Speaker 2: on paper and I say, it's good football team. You know,

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Speaker 2: you got some star power. They got a lot of

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Speaker 2: Robinson maybe the best running back in football this year.

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Speaker 2: But they don't win. They're three and four and they're

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Speaker 2: just jackal and hide operations. So I do want to

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Speaker 2: talk a little bit of Falcons in the second hour,

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Speaker 2: but let's start with the news. I want to start

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Speaker 2: with the good news first, and then we'll get to

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Speaker 2: the two trades and discuss those and unpack those. Marcus

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Speaker 2: Jones gets a contract extension yesterday with the Patriots, a

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Speaker 2: three year deal reportedly around you know, twelve million annually

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Speaker 2: somewhere around there, really good deal for both sides, right

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Speaker 2: ten slot corners in football. You know, most of those

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Speaker 2: guys get in between twelve and fifteen million dollars a year,

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Speaker 2: so he comes right around there with that number. I

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Speaker 2: think this is really a big news for the Patriots

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Speaker 2: because when you looked at their twenty twenty six free

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Speaker 2: On stood above the rest of They got to take

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Speaker 2: guys under contract beyond the season. So the Patriots get

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Speaker 2: out in front of it. One of the best slock

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Speaker 2: four years. So a really good football player, and Marcus

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Speaker 2: Jones does it the right way. Team captain. I don't

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Speaker 2: this was a really shrewd move and a good thing

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Speaker 2: for the Patriots to keep him around. Yeah, good, good deal.

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Speaker 1: They don't have to reset the market to bring back

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Speaker 1: And that's not even to mention what he gives you

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Speaker 1: agents like Calebon Chase on the full list of here,

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Speaker 2: But those are the unrestricted guys. That's a group.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see what happens to Chase on down

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Speaker 1: don't You're not really gonna have to cover any new ground.

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Speaker 1: I would think resigning any of those guys, and you

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Speaker 1: So when that Monday in March hits boom, you're on

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Speaker 2: Get this done.

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Speaker 1: When they got it done, check that box, I think

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Speaker 2: You bring up a good point about the scheme. Fit

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Speaker 2: in some doubt this offseason about whether or not he

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Speaker 2: and Mike Rabels said it. They preferred in the past

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Speaker 2: you worry about his ability to hold up against the run.

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Speaker 2: But to his credit, Marcus Jones plays a lot bigger

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Speaker 2: terms of the longevity of this contract, you do kind

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Speaker 2: that's an issue for down the line and not an

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Speaker 1: And it's I mean it's through his age thirty season.

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Speaker 1: It's not like they're asking him to do this at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just between playing as much as he is on defense,

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Speaker 2: would like right around seventy five percent of the snaps

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Speaker 2: terms of Marcus Jones, the person, the player on and

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Speaker 2: he's playing terrific football this season basically by every statistic

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Speaker 2: you know, number one in the league and passer rating

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Speaker 2: having a great year playing inside, and it's a it's

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Speaker 2: a good thing that you know, they lock him up. Now.

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Speaker 2: In terms of the trades, I think let's start with

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Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger. So the Patriots sent Kyle Dugger for pick

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Speaker 2: I know, these returns come back and people are shocked

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Speaker 2: I promise you that if there was bigger returns out

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Speaker 2: have taken them. Like if somebody was offering them a

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Speaker 2: So they put these guys out on the market. Kyle

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Speaker 2: that's just the reality of the situation. When I look

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Speaker 2: and so by making this trade they free up about

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Speaker 2: seven million dollars next year and then seventeen million dollars

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Speaker 2: I believe it is in twenty twenty seven. Now, I'm

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Speaker 2: not necessarily too caught up in the cap space of

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Speaker 2: add players to this roster, whether it's before the deadline

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday or next offseason, not having to pay Kyle

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Speaker 2: Duggar's money now allows you to allocate that ten million

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Speaker 2: So it's always about the cash. With these NFL teams.

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Speaker 2: They have plenty of cap space. That's not it's not

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Speaker 2: a cap space maneuver, but what it does allow them

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Speaker 2: the Dugger trade, that's really what this is about to

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Speaker 2: me is getting out of what ended up being for

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Speaker 2: their system and all that kind of stuff. A little

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Speaker 2: bit of a bad contract.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well they're paying a backup safety fifteen

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Speaker 1: just to bring it back to what we talked about

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Speaker 1: with Marcus Jones, they have more financial flexibility now, and

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Speaker 1: like we said, they don't have a ton to do

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Speaker 1: in terms of internal free agents. Now, there are some

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Speaker 1: with on extensions. Christian Salz is going to be eligible,

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Speaker 1: but you keep that in mind. You know that's coming

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Speaker 2: So they just it.

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Speaker 2: about all these things is that work one were trade

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Speaker 2: take after this. Sure, we're learning a lot about Rabel's

436
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 2: types at these various positions and just pulling it up

437
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 2: really quickly. And this is big on our show because

438
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about this all draft season and

439
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 2: all off season as well. Harold Landry is clearly his

440
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 2: dream edge rusher, right, And just in terms of body tie, well,

441
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure there could be a higher ceiling guy out there,

442
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Speaker 2: but just in terms of the way he's built on

443
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 2: that side, I think in either side, because I think

444
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 2: him and Chase on it pretty similar. So Landry's six

445
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 2: two two fifty so not the six three two seventy

446
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 2: five that Keon White is right, And then I would

447
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: also say the two skill sets that are really one

448
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: A and one B above everything else with their edge

449
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 2: rusher archetype is get off firs, step, explosiveness, and bend.

450
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: Like if you can't do those two things, if you

451
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 2: can't get off the ball and bend and turn the corner,

452
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: they are that's not your their type of guy. They

453
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 2: want guys that can get off the ball bolt against

454
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 2: the run and against the pass because they're you know,

455
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: they're spilling in their run fits and so they're crashing

456
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 2: the end down inside and trying to get the ball

457
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 2: to bounce to the outside. So it's different. They're not

458
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 2: boxing the ends anymore like they did in the Belichick system,

459
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Speaker 2: where they're funneling the ball back inside. Allah Anthony Jennings, right,

460
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 2: who's going to just sit out there and hold the

461
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Speaker 2: tackle on the outside and force the ball back inside.

462
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Speaker 2: They want guys that are coming off the ball. They

463
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Speaker 2: want guys that are winning, you know, to the spot

464
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Speaker 2: in the run game, right to the point of attack

465
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 2: and the run game, when there's a polar from the

466
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Speaker 2: other side of the formation, they want to be able

467
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Speaker 2: to get there first. So that's not key on White's game.

468
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Speaker 2: That's not really Anthony Jennings's game. It's Landry and Chason's game,

469
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Speaker 2: and those are their guys. So once we start looking

470
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Speaker 2: in the market for who could be available both at

471
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Speaker 2: the trade deadline and the next offseason to add some

472
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Speaker 2: depth at that position, I'm basically canceling out anybody in

473
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Speaker 2: the mold of a Whiter or Jennings. I think those

474
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 2: guys are totally off the table for what they want

475
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 2: to do from a front mechanic perspective on the edge.

476
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Speaker 2: So if you're looking for archetypes, if you're looking for fits,

477
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: like it's the Landryes of the world, it's the chase

478
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 2: Ons of the world. Like, those are the types of

479
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Speaker 2: guys that they want. So I look at, you know,

480
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: some of the names that you mentioned, although it's not

481
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 2: like truly splashy like Ardent Key, I think comes to

482
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Speaker 2: mind as a guy that fits exactly what that does.

483
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Speaker 2: I think that he was in Tennessee with Rabel for

484
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Speaker 2: a year. Uh yeah, a couple of years twenty twenty three,

485
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Speaker 2: he was in Tennessee with Rabel. So a guy that

486
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Speaker 2: he's familiar with, a little bit veteran player, fits fits

487
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Speaker 2: the mold, fits the suit, uh right, at six five

488
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Speaker 2: two forty like, that's exactly what they're looking for. So

489
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Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of things to learn,

490
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 2: both that safety, but also in terms of the edge

491
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Speaker 2: rushing that is different. You know, they're not again they're

492
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: like they're not setting the edge to the defense the

493
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 2: way they used to anymore. They want these guys up

494
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: the field. They want these guys spilling. They want these

495
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 2: guys forcing the ball outside and bouncing the football, So

496
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 2: they want guys that can get off the ball. And

497
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: you know that that's the difference between you know, why

498
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: is Jennings not playing as much? Why is Keon White

499
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: now traded? That's why. So it's an interesting sort of

500
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 2: exercise to understand. And they seem very locked in to

501
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: these types, like it doesn't seem like there's much wiggle room.

502
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Speaker 2: I think the only guys so far that's convinced them

503
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Speaker 2: otherwise is Marcus Jones. Other than that, they are really

504
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Speaker 2: really stringent and like kind of sticking to their principles

505
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Speaker 2: in terms of what they look for. What's your last

506
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 2: take there? One more?

507
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Speaker 1: So I don't know if you want to do other

508
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Speaker 1: trade deadline take, but one more trade deadline thought. I

509
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: have texting about this a little last night, and I

510
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: think I won you over on this, which I didn't

511
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: think I was gonna be able to. So they have

512
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Speaker 1: to add another edge rusher, whether it's Braden Swinton from

513
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: the practice squad or trading for somebody or signing for

514
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: like just bodies. They need another guy. Sure, they're gonna

515
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: need another running back on the roster. We know that,

516
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: and they already added a safety they signed last night.

517
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm blanking on his name off the Dolphin squad. Yeah,

518
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: John Saunders, so I said, Josh John John Saunders. So

519
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna need they already added. They have one spot

520
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: they need to add an edge rusher on a running back,

521
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: so there's some more shuffling coming. There's one other position

522
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Speaker 1: i'd really like to see them add, and this could

523
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: maybe overlap with running back. I would like to see

524
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Speaker 1: them at a kick returner. And if that means you

525
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: do a six to seven pick swap again and you

526
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Speaker 1: turn one of those six into a seventh, people are

527
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: probably gonna screen bloody murder that I'm saying trade for

528
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Speaker 1: kick returner. I think it matters. I think it matters

529
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Speaker 1: to the extent when you have ten eleven draft picks,

530
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Speaker 1: you can make that move. Here's why you asked last night,

531
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Speaker 1: what is the difference between the best returners and the

532
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: worst returners in the NFL. The best kick returns in

533
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: the NFL top five six to seven guys are all

534
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: averaging about thirty yards per return. The league averages twenty

535
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: five and a half. The guys at the bottom of

536
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: the list A when qualifying returners are closer to twenty,

537
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: they're just a tick over twenty. So you talk about

538
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: the Patriots since Antonio Gibson got hurt or averaging twenty

539
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: three point eight yards per return. They were up near

540
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Speaker 1: thirty before that. You're talking about, you know, seven to

541
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Speaker 1: ten yards per return per How many returns are you

542
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Speaker 1: going to have in a game, say three to four

543
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: to be conservative, that's forty yards of field position that

544
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: you're potentially leaving on the table. People may roll their

545
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: eyes at that. If you look at the there's eight

546
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: teams right now that are over five hundred in the AFC.

547
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Speaker 1: Let's just call that group playoff contenders for the time being.

548
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: For what it is, six of those eight teams have

549
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Speaker 1: a kick returner that ranks in the top half the

550
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: league that is above average. One of the teams, the Chargers, doesn't,

551
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: only because none of their.

552
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: Kick returners have enough returns to qualify for the leaderboard.

553
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: They rotate guys.

554
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: So when you're going up against these teams that are

555
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: in the playoff hunt, or even ideally when you play

556
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: them in the playoffs, they are going to have that

557
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: field position advantage. They have that kind of kick returner

558
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: the Patriots, Henderson's been better. But remember they said a

559
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, if Trayvon Henderson is going to

560
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: play a bigger role in the offense, they don't necessarily

561
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: want him returning kicks because they don't want him taking

562
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: on that physical toll. You would hope after what he

563
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: did against the Falcons, he is going to play a

564
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: bigger role in the offense moving forward. Efton Chisholm still

565
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: think he has some upside as a receiver. He's not

566
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: an NFL kick returner at this point. So you look

567
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: at the top kick returners in the league. Ironically, most

568
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: of them are receivers, so they may have to be

569
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: heavy at wide receiver if they were to do this,

570
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: but I would count it to you know, oh, we

571
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: had seven receivers active.

572
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: A one was Matthew Slade. So I look at the

573
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: top kick returners in the league.

574
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: Now, maybe they double dip and they do the running

575
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: back thing. I've been big on Jerome Ford, Yeah, as

576
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: a guy that could help you out with that, and

577
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: now boom, he's your third running back and your kick returner.

578
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: Dylan Louby would be a guy on a bad Raiders team.

579
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: He hasn't played a ton of offense. He's mainly just

580
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: been a kick.

581
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: Returner in his career.

582
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: He's played more offense this year in the last year.

583
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: Would you be comfortable him as your third running back?

584
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: Isaiah Davis? I don't think the Jets woul trade Brees

585
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: Hall in the division? Would they trade his backup? But

586
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: you know there are some receivers that are up there

587
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: on bad teams. Greg Dortsch on Arizona, you know, would

588
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: they be willing to part ways with him again in

589
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: division trade? But Dwayne Eskridge in Miami is in the

590
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: last years contract. He's averaging twenty seven yards return. And

591
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: the one other name I'll throw out there. I'm not

592
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: saying this because he's a former Patriot. I'm literally just

593
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: looking who are the best kick returners who are on

594
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: bad teams who might part with them, especially the guys

595
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: on expiring contracts. Gunner Roschevski's a top five kick returner

596
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL right now.

597
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: He's averaging twenty eight point three yards per return. Do

598
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: you go out and get him?

599
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: And he doesn't need to play a snap a wide receiver,

600
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 1: but to rebolster that kick return unit. Again, I know

601
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a banana's take. I get that.

602
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: I actually think there's real value in this that people

603
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: may not realize because the new kick return rules.

604
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so the average starting field position in the NFL

605
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: right now, yeah, after kickoff yep, Detroit leads the league

606
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: and they are at they have what's his name returning kickoffs.

607
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: I can't remember, he's good. I have the list here here.

608
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: They're Sailors, Jacob Sailors. Their average starting field position is

609
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: the thirty five. Yep. The Minnesota Vikings are the last

610
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: place team in this stat in the league. Their average

611
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: field position is the twenty seven. So we're talking about

612
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: from the worst team in the league to the best

613
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: team in the league. About an average of eight yards

614
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: per kickoff return. So I know I agree with you.

615
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: I know to the most people that doesn't sound like

616
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: a lot. It can be a lot.

617
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: You got to extrapolate that over multiple kickoffs, right, and

618
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: let's say it's the end of the game, right or

619
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: even the end of the half, and you're trying to

620
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: get down and get a field goal.

621
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: Those eight yards are going to be massive. So I

622
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing to me though, is that and

623
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: you know, this is a much longer philosophical discussion that

624
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to have right now.

625
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: But the biggest thing to me right now with the

626
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: kickoff return rules is it's not having the exact impact

627
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: that we thought it would. They are not there's now

628
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: explosive returns. So Antonio Gibson's touchdown returns still the only

629
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: one in the NFL, I believe this season on a kickoff. Yes,

630
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: so they're not getting the big returns off of this

631
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: new rule, but getting the thirty yard line is now

632
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: kind of the goal on these kickoff returns, and that

633
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: has proven to be a little bit harder than maybe

634
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: you expected because really there's no space out there, Like

635
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: they build a wall across the field with their you know,

636
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: ten guys that they're allowed to build, and there's really

637
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: it's it's a very hard play to block and it's

638
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: a very hard play to return. So it's actually turned

639
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: out to be the opposite effect. It's it's kind of

640
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: pinning teams more than it is actually having big returns.

641
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: So now gaining the thirty plus is like now an advantage,

642
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: Like if you can do that, you're swinging about ten

643
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: yards of field position compared to your.

644
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: Also, just the threat of having somebody back there, and

645
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: you see how it forces teams into bad decisions like

646
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: trying those what do they call the dirty kick, the dirty.

647
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: Kicks, and that comes up short. We saw that happen,

648
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: you know, against Buffalo.

649
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: So I just I think you need somebody back there

650
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: that is going to be a factor. And if they're

651
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: not gonna put Travon Henderson back there, which I'm not

652
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: necessarily if they want to give him the ball fifteen

653
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: twenty times a game, I'm fine if he's not returning kicks,

654
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: but you gotta have somebody back there that's a factor,

655
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: and not just well he won't fumble, and I can

656
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: you you know, with the have four to six round picks,

657
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: you turn one of those into a seventh to add

658
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: a kick return if he breaks off one big return.

659
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: Who's arguing, Ye're like, you're you're like stumping for this take,

660
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: Like everybody's disagreed.

661
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: I I feel like saying trade for a kid. I know,

662
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: you know what, It's weird. Ever since I've had this take,

663
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I've had to strongly defend it because

664
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: it just seems like the kind of sick barth take

665
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: that I want to trade for a kick returner, but

666
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: I don't mind trading for. But also I feel like

667
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: throwing gunro Chevsky out there is going to get.

668
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: We are talking about eight to ten yards of field position.

669
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: We're not talking about twenty, so I's not.

670
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: Over per return. I just think having the threat back

671
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: there as a factor.

672
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: I hear you, I it would be kind of funny

673
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: ideas che one last trade deadline take that I just

674
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: am thinking about over here as we're talking about these possibilities.

675
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, I know nothing, but I do feel

676
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 2: like we are seeing the Patriots kind of clear runway

677
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: for a trade here. So I would expect them to

678
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 2: try to add somebody by Tuesday. I'm not telling you

679
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: it's gonna be, you know, Trey Hendrickson or something, but

680
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: it does feel like you get some picks back for

681
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: these two players that were depreciated assets that you didn't

682
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: have roles for to maybe open the door for them

683
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: to acquire a player. It also feels that way to

684
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: me because they did it a week in advance. If

685
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: they had done this on Tuesday, then maybe that would

686
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: have been a little bit different, but the fact that

687
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: they did it so early tells me that this is

688
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: like a preemptible stress up yeah to something else. So

689
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: we'll see what it ends up being. I know there's

690
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: a lot of big names. They always get floated around

691
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: around the trade deadline, and sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn't.

692
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: Most of the time, it doesn't. Like this is not

693
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: the NBA or the MLB where you see like star

694
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: players moved at the deadline. In football too often, there's

695
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: a lot of trades, but they're not usually trades of consequence,

696
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. It's like, it's not You're not

697
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: going to see a ton of Luka Doncic trades right

698
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: in the NFL. It just doesn't happen in season very often.

699
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 2: But maybe that'll change this year. We're going to talk

700
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,000
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705
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Speaker 2: football fans know that traditions matter turning moments together into

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Speaker 2: scan the code for a chance to score an epic

712
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Speaker 2: experience with the Patriots. Toastedo's tradition matters. So like, this

713
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: is like basically reset where we were almost restarting the

714
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: show again because we're gonna start where we usually start now,

715
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: which is recapping the game last week. So that first

716
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: thirty minutes was kind of like its own thing, and

717
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: now we're going into the actual show plan that I

718
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: had for today with this Cleveland Browns game. So my

719
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: big picture takeaway from this game against the Browns is

720
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna get a little nitpicky with certain things,

721
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 2: because I want to point to a few trends that

722
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: are just not going. They're blown teams out right. They're

723
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 2: blown doors right now against bad teams, which is great

724
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: to see. It's great that we're at that point, but

725
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 2: we are at a point now where my expectations for

726
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: this team, and like my calibration of how I talk

727
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: about the team is shifting towards It's no longer are

728
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: they good? They are good? Now it's are they great? Like?

729
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: Can they be a true contender? They are trending towards

730
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: being a playoff team. So I'm thinking about this now

731
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: in the way of like, where can they fine tune

732
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: certain things so that they can make some noise in

733
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: the playoffs. And this isn't just a twenty twenty one

734
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: Reducts where they make the playoffs, ya whippy, and then

735
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: they get blown out by a good team in the

736
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 2: wildcard round. So I think that there's some nitpicks to

737
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: this game, both on offense and defense that we'll get into.

738
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: But to start with the good stuff, I think the

739
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 2: most encouraging thing about this game from a Drake May perspective,

740
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: and we can start there. I can come out here

741
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 2: and give Drake May all of his flowers, call me MVP,

742
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,479
Speaker 2: and do it like we can do that. It's fun, cool,

743
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: we all know it. But the one thing that stands

744
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: out to me with him week to week is when

745
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: there is something to nitpick his game about one week,

746
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: he almost always fixes it by the following week. So

747
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: in Tennessee, we were talking a lot about the one

748
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 2: in runs, like he was not staying in the pocket,

749
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 2: he wasn't keeping his eyes down the field, he was

750
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: taking a lot of hits on scrambles. It wasn't sliding

751
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: like all those different types of things. I thought this

752
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: week I really only had one small grape with him

753
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: in this regard. It was on the bootleg sacked by

754
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett, like that one we can just throw into

755
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: the tenth row and not take a hit there. But

756
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 2: at the same time, I thought he stayed in the pocket.

757
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: I thought he hit the backside of the progression more

758
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: than I think I've seen him do in any game

759
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: this season against and that's against a really good pass

760
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: rush too. Now, he took six sacks, so that's an

761
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 2: element of it. But at the same time, I can't

762
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: harp on him staying in the pocket and going through

763
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: his reads one week and then criticize him for taking

764
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,959
Speaker 2: sacks the next week when I wanted him to stay

765
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: in the pocket and go through his progressions. So I

766
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: thought that he really took a step forward and Nat

767
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: regard kind of corrected some of those things. Scrambled when

768
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: he needed to scramble, got out of bounds on the

769
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: sixteen yarder, slid down on the twenty eight yarder. Just

770
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: much cleaner game from all those perspectives. And then he

771
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: was he was gamebusters in the second half. You know,

772
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: eight for eight, one hundred and fourteen yards, three touchdowns,

773
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 2: perfect passer rating in the second half of this game.

774
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: Last thing that drive that really put the game away,

775
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: the twenty eight yard scramble followed by a thirty nine

776
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: yard touchdown. Yep, that is MVP. Put the cape on,

777
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: put the team on the back. Hey Cleveland, warm up

778
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: the buses. It's time to go home. This game is over.

779
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: That was mahomes Alan Lamar Burrow esque. When the game

780
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: is almost over and you just want to go for

781
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: the juggular. I'm going to hit you with back to

782
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 2: back explosives and we're in the end zone and this

783
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: game is over. That's the type of stuff that wins MVPs.

784
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: You know, that's the type of thing when you put

785
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: the team on the back for a drive like that

786
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: where it's literally all you. He kind of did the

787
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: same thing in Miami where it was the big player

788
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: Ramandre Stevenson touchdown game over. Like, that's the same thing

789
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: I felt like in this game against Cleveland. I know

790
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: it was already twenty three to seven at that point,

791
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily a close game, but that was the

792
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: drive that really ended the game. And Drake May pulled

793
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 2: out the MVP cap.

794
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: I mean so after the scramble was the first time

795
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: we've heard MVP chance for at least here. I think

796
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: he got some on the road, But and how does

797
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: he respond first play after his first MVP chance thirty

798
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: nine yard dot to Keshan Boudio. He was really good

799
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: in this game. He took some sacks. I think against

800
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: his defense, you just have to take some stacks, not

801
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: force it. I thought when he did scramble he did

802
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: a much better job of protecting himself. The slide on

803
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: the long scramble was a little ugly, but it was

804
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: effective and I'll take the function over fashion at that point. So, yeah,

805
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: another great game from him. One other thing I think

806
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: he did that he's been doing, but I think it

807
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: was highlighted in this game. A lot of young quarterbacks

808
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: do tend to have their favorites more so than the

809
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: average quarterback. And the example I always use is Keenan

810
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: Allen got what one hundred and forty targets from Trustin Herbert.

811
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: I don't think Drake Mays like that, which is a

812
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: good thing. I definitely think he has his preferences, you know, Keishn,

813
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: Booty Hunter, Henry. But this game plan calls for a

814
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: lot of Mac Hollins, and it's all right, let's rip

815
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: it to mac Collins and not a second thought about it.

816
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: It makes sense. Mac Hollins is a plus blocking wide receiver.

817
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: That makes him a little more effective off play action.

818
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: He's been one of their better play action receivers this year.

819
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: We talked about running play action against this aggressive Browns

820
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: defense all week. They ran a lot of play actions.

821
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: So wouldn't you know it, it's a mac Collins game

822
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: and he just adjusted to it and hit it. And

823
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: that makes him dangerous because with the young quarterbacks sometimes

824
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: the book can be if you take away this receiver,

825
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: he's not as confident throwing to the other guys, and

826
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: it's going to slow him down and it's going to

827
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: create some issues. I don't think you can do that

828
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: to Drake May. He'll throw the ball to whoever. He'll

829
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: throw the ball to the open guy. He'll throw the ball,

830
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: the ball to the guy the defense dictates. So you're

831
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: starting to hear people being now like, well, when are

832
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: we going to get the book on Drake May? You

833
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: hear this with all these young quarterbacks, you know, the

834
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: books out on him. The plan is out there, the blueprint,

835
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: and that can be something that can be a part

836
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: of the blueprint, and it looks like it might not

837
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: be for Drake May.

838
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: That's the Josh McDaniels offense to a tea to me,

839
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: and that's the thing it plays super well. Josh mcdanniel

840
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: throwing to the open receiver, throwing where the coverage dictates

841
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: you to go with the football, not forcing it to

842
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: certain guys that aren't open within the coverage structure like that.

843
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: That's basically the foundation of the Josh McDaniel's passing offense

844
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: is that you need to threaten the defense with all

845
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: five eligible receivers on every single play if you are

846
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: closing off a side of the field, if you are

847
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: zeroing in on one guy. Now, Brady had his guys too, right,

848
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: Like he was zero in on Gronk and Edelman plenty,

849
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: but those guys would get open. So I think what

850
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: you're seeing with this offense is they have a hierarchy

851
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 2: now to their passing game, which I think is huge.

852
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: With Stefan Diggs at the top of the depth chart,

853
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: they now have Okay, these games where the defense is

854
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: probably doing something, whether it's Denzel Ward or whether it's

855
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: you know, skindically from an exus and no standpoint, these

856
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: defenses are doing things to make sure that Stefan Diggs

857
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 2: isn't going off. And now all of a sudden, Matt

858
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: Collins is one on one the entire game, Kaishan Boody

859
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: is one on one on the big play, and Drake

860
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: May is attacking those matchups. You know, they got a

861
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: rookie corner on the outside one on one against Kaise

862
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: Shawn Booty and he went right at him and that

863
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: was definitely something And we saw it in the micd

864
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: up if you want to check out the mic up

865
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: miked up on the Patriots dot com or Patriots YouTube

866
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: of Josh McDaniels of him going over to Drake May

867
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 2: and saying, hey, trust your guys against the guys we

868
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 2: want to trust them against I guarantee you. They circle

869
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 2: that corner, that rookie corner on the depth chart and said,

870
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: if we have him on the outside against Kayshawan Boody,

871
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna We're gonna take at least one of of

872
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 2: these shots and see if we can get that play

873
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 2: to work. Uh So, I kind of thought that going

874
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: into the game, like the non Denzel Ward corners for

875
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: the Browns, I thought were vulnerable Tyson Campbell their slot

876
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: corner where I keep blanking on his freaking name. You know,

877
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: those guys I thought were a little bit susceptible outside

878
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: a Denzel Ward, and they took advantage of it. Speaking

879
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: of Josh McDaniel's, just a masterclass from him. I thought,

880
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: really from the start of the game on. I know

881
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: the third quarter drive is getting all the pub as

882
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 2: it should, but Jim Schwartz is a really good play caller,

883
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: one of the best defensive coordinators in football for the

884
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns. Josh McDaniels took him to school like he

885
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: took him to school in this game. And if you

886
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 2: are it's one thing to go out there as a

887
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: play caller, as a coordinator and take like a young inexperienced,

888
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: first time play caller to school. When you're taking a

889
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: guy like Jim Schwartz outside and behind the woodshed like that,

890
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: that's a feather in your cap as a play caller

891
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: and as a coordinator. I thought, what really got this

892
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: game going from McDaniel's perspective was that very first plus

893
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: run for Travon Henderson was a wham scheme right up

894
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: the gut. They ran full back wham with Jack Westover.

895
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: They gained twelve yards on that wham scheme right up

896
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: the gut, and the rest of the game and the

897
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: Cleveland Brown spent overplaying the inside run like they showed

898
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: him inside run action and then they could started get

899
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: the toss going the trayvon Henderson out on the edges.

900
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: That opened up the boots, that opened up the play action,

901
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: and it all kind of fit together from there. After

902
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: they got that opening drive where they go twelve yard run,

903
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: eighteen yard run to Travon Henderson. It kind of just

904
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: opened up from there for this offense, even when they

905
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: were getting shut down a little bit in the first half,

906
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: like they were getting into the red zone, like they

907
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: had two red zone drives, they drove another one to

908
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: the twenty four for Cleveland right before half, So it

909
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: wasn't like they weren't moving the ball, they just were

910
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: stalling and then they kind of the dam broke in

911
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: the second half. So I can't say enough good things

912
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: about Josh McDaniels, his job, the job he's doing with

913
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: his football team, both with Drake May behind the scenes

914
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: on the sideline, the play calling, the play sequencing, you know,

915
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: showing similar presentations, formations, things like that, and then running

916
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: different plays out of it to keep defenses off balance.

917
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: Is the amount that they're throwing at defenses in general,

918
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 2: whether it's under center, movement plays, shotgun, RPO, read option,

919
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: you know, different runs, you know, inside outside runs, cracks,

920
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: toss cracks, inside run plays, outside zone. There's just a

921
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: million different things that they throw out of defense on

922
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: a given Sunday. He's done a great job. Deserves his flowers,

923
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: I think right now, and I said this yesterday, between

924
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: McDaniels and Shane Steichen in Indianapolis, those are the two

925
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: hottest play callers in the NFL right now on the

926
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball. So you're doing a really,

927
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: really good job. When you're talking about he might be

928
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: on the biggest heater of any play caller in football

929
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 2: besides maybe the guy that's making Daniel Jones look good.

930
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: And so that tells you a lot about Josh McDaniels

931
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: right now.

932
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: That that open and look, he was good the whole game.

933
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: That opening drive of the third orter just perfect. I mean,

934
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: come on, that was he He hit him with literally

935
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: everything you had, cracked toss, you would play action toss,

936
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: you had a speed option in there, which you know

937
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: I loved. There was a trick play mixed in ghet

938
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: some things off play action. I mean it was they

939
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: were their heads are spinning. That was just brilliant, brilliant

940
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: stuff from Josh McDaniels. Again, he's been good all year.

941
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: That drive was another one that was the best masterpiece

942
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: caliber drive.

943
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the best skirted drives in the league

944
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: all season. You know, Danielrolofsky said that he watches a

945
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: lot of football too, so it's not just me from

946
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: a biased standpoint saying that truly one of the best

947
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: scripted drives in all of the NFL this season. You mentioned,

948
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: you know, just all the different things they threw at him,

949
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: even just like setting up you know, handing the jet

950
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: sweep to pop to set up the hoops. Jets sweep

951
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: in there too. Yeah, so they run a jet sweep

952
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: and then they come back and they run jet motion

953
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: and then they get Hunter Henry just wide open in

954
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: the flat on the touchdown. And if you watch the

955
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: defensive back for Cleveland, they actually flip the safeties. So

956
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: the safety starts down, he sees the jetsweep the safety

957
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 2: who's up. He comes down to take the other side

958
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: of the formation to take the jetsweep. That safety goes

959
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: back and then all of a sudden, now there's a

960
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: two on one in the flat to hunt Hunter Henry,

961
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: all schemed, all dressed up. And when you watch the

962
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: micd up that instance, there's a couple of different instances

963
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: within the micd up that were kind of subtle where

964
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels is basically saying, yep, okay, now you go

965
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: over there, right and if we're gonna throw it here,

966
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: and like he's basically knowing exactly how Cleveland is going

967
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: to react to all the motion and all the different

968
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: movement from by the offense. That is next level preparation,

969
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: like having that ability to watch a defense on film,

970
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: and I think We talk about this a lot with motion,

971
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: like how does the team a defense react to motion,

972
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: Like how do they play motion? Do they follow it?

973
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: Do they pass it off? Do they use their safeties

974
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: like the Browns due to to you know, rotate. He

975
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: knew the Browns were going to rotate their safeties like

976
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: that when they motioned. They didn't they relate to it

977
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: against pop pop games. Eight yards on the play before.

978
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 2: So now they are on it and they're really overplayed

979
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: on the Henry touchdown. And he knew it the whole time.

980
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: He knew exactly what he was doing. That that's play calling,

981
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: that stack and plays, that's sequencing plays off of each other.

982
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: Really really good stuff. I want to stick on one

983
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: point there. Trayvon Henderson. A nice breakout game for Trayvon Henderson.

984
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: They finally got the ball to him in space and

985
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: got him outside on these toss plays. Obviously, you know,

986
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: you can't be too predictable with toss plays, you know.

987
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: I think as the game wore on, they tried a

988
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: couple more late in this game, and Cleveland was ready

989
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: for it and shut him down. But once you start

990
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: tossing the ball, then you have the run actions off

991
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: the toss. But then you also have now the inside

992
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: is going to start to open up for him, right

993
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 2: when you start to get guys to over pursue out

994
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: to the edge, and now you can hit him inside

995
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: with different run. I thought this plan, you know, this

996
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: usage was significantly improved. And then I thought Henderson was

997
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: a lot better in this game, both making reads out

998
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: in space, but also his pass blocking. I thought he

999
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: had a couple good pass blocking grips in this game

1000
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: as well. So his game is starting to develop and

1001
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: he's starting to come along. That would be huge. Yeah,

1002
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: if they could get training camp Travion Henderson back, and

1003
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: maybe he's not quite as dynamic as he was in

1004
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: training camp, but close to that. We still haven't really

1005
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 2: unlocked the passing game elements of what he could do

1006
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: as a receiver. This is all running game stuff. But

1007
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 2: he carried the ball seven times I think are around

1008
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: seventy yards on those outside tosses he runs outside of

1009
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: the tackles, averaged almost ten yards per attempt on crack

1010
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: toss schemes, essentially down the line there. This was good.

1011
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 2: This was a very positive development for them.

1012
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really was go figure. It just took facing

1013
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 1: the best run defense in the league. But the crazy

1014
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: thing to me, so remember earlier in the year when

1015
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: people were saying tre On Henderson needs to play more,

1016
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: and we were saying, like, no, he's playing a lot.

1017
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: It just doesn't feel like it because he's not doing

1018
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: a ton. We've hit the complete polar opposite of that.

1019
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: So Ramandra Stevenson in this game had fifteen touches on

1020
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: fifty snaps five zero fifty snaps, touched the ball fifteen times.

1021
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: Trevion Henderson had ten touches on fourteen snaps. That's that's

1022
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: an insane usage rate. I mean, he was basically what

1023
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: two out of every three times more than to every

1024
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: three times he was on the field he got the ball.

1025
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: So you don't want it to become a tell, but

1026
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy that it felt like he played

1027
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: this big role in this game. He really was not

1028
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: on the field that much. Yeah, so and maybe that's

1029
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: ultimately the role for him. Maybe that's what it is.

1030
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: You know, right, pick your spots and go. Now, they

1031
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: are going to need another running back to spell more

1032
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: with Stevenson. If they're going to do that fifty snaps,

1033
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: the game is a lot. Even if it is only

1034
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: fifteen touches, but yeah, if they can get him going,

1035
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: that's a huge development.

1036
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really positive. Again, I think there was

1037
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 2: a clear and he he said so as much after

1038
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: the game when I asked him that there was a

1039
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: clear point of emphasis this week to let's get this

1040
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 2: guy out on the edge and see what he can

1041
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: do in some space. And if we have to toss

1042
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,959
Speaker 2: the ball to him instead of stretch handoffs and things

1043
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 2: like that, that's what we're going to do. So they

1044
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 2: did a nice job of getting him out outside the tackle,

1045
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: some really good blocks on some of those plays as well.

1046
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: Shout out Jared Wilson, I thought was really good at

1047
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: his games, especially climbing to the second level of the

1048
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 2: defense on some of those toss schemes, like his ability

1049
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: to climb to the second level when they run him

1050
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: to the right side to Morgan Moses' side. His ability

1051
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: to get up to the second level and block the

1052
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: backside pursuit is why that becomes a twenty seven yard

1053
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: run because he's up there at the second level turning

1054
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 2: out that week sidelinebacker and that allows those runs to

1055
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: go from you know, okay, let's call it a six

1056
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: yard run to a twenty seven yard run. That's how

1057
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: you get those bigger runs down the field. So Morgan

1058
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 2: moses at thirty four getting out there front of those

1059
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 2: toss schemes. I thought that again. Jared Wilson was a

1060
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: big part of it as well. So a lot of

1061
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: good things there from all those players, A couple of

1062
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: the positives on the defensive side of the ball here

1063
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: and the goods. I thought that again. You know, they

1064
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 2: settled down nicely against the script, but I think the

1065
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: biggest thing for them was the only way Cleveland was

1066
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: going to win this game is by running the football

1067
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: like they had to run the ball with quin Shawn Jenkins,

1068
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: play really good defense on the other side of the ball,

1069
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: and win this game, you know, twenty to seventeen, seventeen

1070
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: thirteen something like that, like that was their formula. They

1071
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: kind of got it for the first half defensively, but

1072
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: they were never able to run the ball. Judkins had

1073
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: what nineteen yards on nine carries in the same was

1074
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 2: running into a brick wall the entire game. I broke

1075
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: it down and after further of you with you know,

1076
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: diagrams and plays, and it's much easier to digest that way,

1077
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: but the way they're fitting the runs different than it

1078
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: did in the past. I mentioned that earlier in the show.

1079
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 2: They have it rolling right now from a run defense perspective,

1080
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 2: roberts Plaine has it rolling. But also this defensive line

1081
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: is as good against the run as any defensive line

1082
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: I've seen for the Patriots. They don't make any mistakes,

1083
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 2: they don't jump out of gaps, they don't get double

1084
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 2: teamed off the ball very often. They are sound, they're

1085
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: stout up front. It's a great group. It's being coached

1086
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: really well by Clint McMillan. He deserves a lot of

1087
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: credit for that as well. But their run defense continues

1088
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: to be one of the best run defenses in football.

1089
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: And this was a week where the Browns were big,

1090
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 2: physical team up front, really physical, good rookie running back,

1091
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 2: and the Patriots completely shut him down on the ground.

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00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're gonna get another test this week in BEJN. Robinson,

1093
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: so we'll really tell. But the run defense is, I mean,

1094
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: it's at an insanely high level right now. And you

1095
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: talk about I was actually oddly enough kind of impressed

1096
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: with Judkins in this game in the sense that I

1097
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: thought when he got hit, he did a good job

1098
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: of falling forward and creating some hitting yardage, and even

1099
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: doing that, he really didn't.

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00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 2: Do a lot in this game. No, didn't do a

1101
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: lot at all. Now, part of that's game script, like

1102
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: once you're down by two touchdowns, you're not going to

1103
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: keep running the football most likely. But again I thought

1104
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 2: that was the Browns only path to victory was a

1105
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: big Judkins game, a big game for their defense, and

1106
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: they got the defense from the first half, but they

1107
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: didn't sustain on defense and then they never got Judkins going.

1108
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 2: And I thought that was a huge reason why the

1109
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: Patriots won this game so easily, was that Cleveland was

1110
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: never going to beat him throwing the football. They just

1111
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel was never going to be the reason why

1112
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: they lost. So I thought that that was, you know,

1113
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: something that was really feathering their cap. Last thing on

1114
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: the goods and then we'll take a break and we'll

1115
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 2: talk about the bads here. Just the goods. These receivers,

1116
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: I think just continue deserve praise for the work they're doing.

1117
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: Maccollins big game for him, As you mentioned, three more

1118
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: chunk plays in this game, as five in the last

1119
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: two weeks. Kaishawan Boody just once a week, Kasehwan Boody

1120
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 2: is hitting a bomb. May It seems like over the

1121
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: last month or so, I just continue to be really

1122
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 2: impressed by every single player kind of finding their targets,

1123
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 2: finding their role, Like even Pop Douglas hits the forty

1124
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 2: four yard or on the extended play, Like they all

1125
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 2: kind of have a niche right now. They all kind

1126
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 2: of work and fit together. Again. I'm not gonna sit

1127
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 2: here and say I wouldn't take aj Brown or I

1128
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: wouldn't take a stud receiver on top of this, But

1129
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: when you start talking about trades and the deadline and receiver,

1130
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm not that interested in adding a receiver. That's just

1131
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 2: kind of part of this mix. Like it's gotta be

1132
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 2: somebody that top of the depth chart or don't. Like

1133
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: I see a lot of these names out there that

1134
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: got thrown out there. I'll just give you an example,

1135
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: and I'm a fan of this player, but I don't

1136
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 2: really see the need to trade for Chris Alave. Like

1137
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: I think Chris Alave is just gonna play where Kaishan

1138
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 2: Boodie is playing. How much more production, how much better

1139
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: is he gonna be than Kaishan Budi to give up

1140
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: a pick for Chris Olave. Like again, if it's not

1141
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: Aj Brown, if it's not somebody of that ilk, I'm

1142
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: not interested in receiver because right now they are puzzle

1143
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 2: pieces at that position and in that room just fit

1144
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: tremendously together. And Drake May has got plenty. He's got

1145
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: enough receiver talent on this team right now. I'm really

1146
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: pleased with where it are.

1147
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: It's more of a long term need because look, Diggs

1148
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: is a big part of what they're doing right now,

1149
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: and he's thirty one, right so you got to go

1150
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: out and you got to get the guy that's going

1151
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 1: to grow long term with Drake May. I also would

1152
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: like to see them if we're I mean, we're getting

1153
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: way ahead of ourselves here, but get that Z slot type.

1154
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: I'm good with Kaishan Boudi at the X. I don't

1155
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: think they need the big outside X. I think you

1156
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: like Kaishan Bouti in that role. Find the guy and

1157
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: maybe it's ky Wiams, who knows, but find the guy

1158
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: that's gonna step into Diggs role.

1159
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: Sure, and that that's really the addition they need. After that,

1160
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 2: they're in relatively good shape. Yeah, agreed. All right, we're

1161
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Speaker 2: he doesn't really like the cold too much. All right,

1229
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: let's get back to football. I want to talk about

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01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 2: some of the the other things here in terms of

1231
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: the bads. Let's say in this game, the nitpicks of

1232
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: this game. And again I want to be clear, this

1233
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: is about fine tuning things so that this team can

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Speaker 2: go on a run here and be a true playoff contender.

1235
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: They're already a good team. Let's make them a great team.

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01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: One of the things that stands out to me right

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01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: now with Drake may and and then I want to

1238
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: unpack all of these sacks. He's now second in the league.

1239
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: He has taken twenty eight sacks this year. That's second

1240
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: most in the NFL. His pressure two sack rate, so

1241
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 2: when he's under pressure, how often does he go down?

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01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: That's also the second highest in the league at twenty

1243
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 2: six percent. So I think one thing that stands out

1244
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 2: to me about these numbers is getting sacked a lot.

1245
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: That's just on the surface, but when you dig even deeper,

1246
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: he's a great scrambler, he's a great play extension artist,

1247
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: but when he gets under pressure, he's going down. You know,

1248
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: that seems to be the book on him. This is

1249
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: a bit of everything, you know, some of its offensive line.

1250
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: But I will give the offensive line this. All six

1251
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 2: of the sacks in this game took over four seconds.

1252
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: So this was not jail breaks. This was not Miles

1253
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: Garrett blowing by Will Campbell in two and a half seconds.

1254
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 2: In sacking the quarterback. There was one or two sacks

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01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: that I would put on May. Certainly the bootleg I

1256
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,479
Speaker 2: think is a default where just throw the ball away

1257
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: and save the yards there. But I thought the first

1258
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: red zone sack he got a little hung up on

1259
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 2: remondros Stevenson kind of froze on his first read a

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01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: little bit had Hunter Henry in the middle of the

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Speaker 2: field if he had come off of that. So, as

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01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 2: all with sacks, this is a little bit of a

1263
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: quarterback stat It's not just an offensive line stat. I

1264
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: want to go sack by sack here in a second

1265
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 2: and talk about Will Campbell in some of the issues

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01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: that they had upfront. But if there's one thing that's

1267
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 2: going to start to bite them in the butt. Offensively,

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01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: it's that they're taking a lot of sacks, which of

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01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: course is putting them in long down and distance, and

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Speaker 2: to Drake May's credit, he's getting them out of it.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's getting into second and seventeen and turning

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01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: that into first down, which is very uncommon in a

1273
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: feather in his cap in terms of you know, his play.

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01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: But eventually, when you place better defenses, eventually, when your

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01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 2: luck kind of runs out and those long down and

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01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 2: distant situations, sacks can be drive killers. Right now, they

1277
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 2: haven't been drive killers because of how good he's been,

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01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 2: but eventually that might change. So where are you at

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01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 2: with this number of sacks? Because I think I go

1280
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 2: back and forth on it. On the one hand, you

1281
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 2: don't want to take away his play extension, his instincts

1282
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 2: to try to hold in the hocket, hang in the

1283
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: pocket and let things develop, because he's capable of squeaking

1284
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 2: out and hitting Pop Douglas for forty four yards right

1285
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: down the field. So you don't want to completely take

1286
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: that away. But at the same time, you are taking

1287
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: a lot of sacks. Right now, it's starting to pile up.

1288
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean, there, what's the stat I think it's something

1289
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: like once you have a sack on a drive. I'm

1290
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: trying to remember exactly what it is, just trying to

1291
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: look it up. I think like on drives that include

1292
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: a sack, teams only score like fifteen percent of the

1293
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: time or something like a sack can really really set

1294
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: you back. So it's obvious not great. I don't know

1295
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: how sustainable it is at this level for them to

1296
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: keep making it work, but I it's working, right, it's working,

1297
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: And I don't, like you said, you don't want to

1298
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: negate his ability to extend plays. And maybe as the

1299
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: line continues to come together and they build chemistry and

1300
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: will Campbell and Jared Wilson get more experienced, it just

1301
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: kind that number comes down naturally. Yeah, I would also

1302
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: I'd rather take the sacks and the turnovers. And if

1303
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: the sack number comes down to turnover number goes back up,

1304
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily good thing either.

1305
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: So the one thing I will say about the sacks too,

1306
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: I hear list a lot just throw the ball away. Well,

1307
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 2: if you started just throwing the ball away from the

1308
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 2: pocket and there's pressure, then that's what's called intentional grounding, right,

1309
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 2: Like you can't just you can throw the ball away

1310
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: at guy's feet and you can throw the ball away

1311
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 2: you know where it's like kind of your guy or

1312
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 2: no guy. And like Brady was a master at that

1313
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: and he eliminated that way. It's very hard and it's

1314
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 2: a fine line because if you start trying to throw

1315
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: the ball under pressure at guy's feet or like out

1316
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: of bounds and you don't get it out of bounds,

1317
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: those become turnovers.

1318
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: The one thing he does need to get better at

1319
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: doing is when he's outside the pocket throwing the ball away.

1320
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: There's a few times where he's taking sacks or even

1321
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: run out of bounds outside of the pocket, Like those

1322
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: ones need to be thrown away.

1323
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 2: That would be a.

1324
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: Bigger nitpick for me. Inside the pocket is different. He's

1325
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: got to be a little more willing to.

1326
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: Throw the ball away outside the pocket. Yeah, I agree

1327
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: with that. I mean the Miles garrebuleg sack is a

1328
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 2: perfect example. This is one other like little nitpick that

1329
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: I had from this game from a the one sort

1330
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 2: of nitpick of Josh McDaniels and Drake May from a

1331
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 2: play calling perspective, there was three plays in this game

1332
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:17,479
Speaker 2: that we're doomed from the start, the tackle trap played

1333
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 2: down by the goal line on the first drive that

1334
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 2: goes for minus four yards, the bootleg to Miles Garrett's side,

1335
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: and then there was one other run that went that

1336
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 2: was so I think it was the third and one run.

1337
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 2: Maybe that got stuff. But I just wonder where we're

1338
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 2: at and maybe I'll try to ask this this week,

1339
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 2: like where are we at with Drake checking out a place?

1340
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: So I was gonna say the bootleg to Garrett's side

1341
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: that they called, and we had talked a little bit

1342
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: last week about running bootlegs to his side to upset

1343
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: his timing, But that was on the left side. That

1344
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: was on the back side. That's one where I do wonder.

1345
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: You get to the line, you're expecting that to be

1346
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: a boot away from him. Suddenly he's on the right side.

1347
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 2: Should they have checked out of that play? Should they

1348
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 2: check out of it? Can they? Can they just flip

1349
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 2: it right like? And he, you know, give a little

1350
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: flipper call and then all of a sudden, instead of

1351
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: booting to the left, you're booting to the right. Now

1352
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: there's moving parts. You got to move the tight ends,

1353
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 2: you got to move all the pieces. But that's part

1354
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: of maturing and part of developing here as a quarterback.

1355
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 2: I'm not holding it totally against him because I don't

1356
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 2: know if they're giving him that kind of control yet.

1357
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 2: So I think that that's a question for Josh McDaniels

1358
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: and Ashton Grant of like how much is he really

1359
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 2: allowed to do at the line of scrimmage, like if

1360
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 2: he's canning, like if they have two play calls in

1361
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: the huddle. Yeah, that's very different than asking him to

1362
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 2: see Miles Garrett on the right side and now we're

1363
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 2: gonna flip it, and now we're gonna move the tight

1364
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 2: end over here. We're gonna flip the formation, and now

1365
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 2: we're going to run the boot leg to the left

1366
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,919
Speaker 2: because Miles Garrett's lined up on the right. In theory,

1367
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 2: that sounds great. In practice, it's not as easy. So

1368
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 2: I don't know where they are with that whole thing.

1369
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: But you know, I mentioned the tackle trap play that

1370
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 2: goes four minus four on first down from like I

1371
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 2: think it was like inside the five right on the

1372
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: opening drive there, basically kill the drive and force them

1373
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 2: to kick a field goal. There they run tackle trapped

1374
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 2: to a wide nine. So like the defensive end on

1375
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 2: the side of the field that they're pulling to is

1376
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 2: all the way outside the tackle. He's way outside. So

1377
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 2: now Morgan Moses has to go from right tackle. He's

1378
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 2: going to pull all the way to the front side

1379
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 2: of the play, all the way out to a wide

1380
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: nine technique defensive end. Like he's not going to get there.

1381
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 2: He's just not Like it's just not a possibility. And

1382
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 2: so what happens. You know, the guy comes into the backfield.

1383
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 2: I think it was Alex right, you know, he comes

1384
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 2: screaming out the field, into the backfield, blows out to

1385
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: play for four yard loss. So when we start looking

1386
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 2: at those types of things, you know, where are they

1387
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 2: at with checking in and out of plays? Where are

1388
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 2: they at with Drake may having the controls and having

1389
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 2: that ability. I think that might be Josh McDaniel's offense

1390
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 2: PhD level, Like that might be the next step for

1391
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 2: them in terms of the mental stuff and the pre

1392
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 2: snap stuff defensively. Oh wait, I want to take talk

1393
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 2: about sacks. So I mentioned all six sacks took more

1394
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 2: than four seconds, so this was not a jail break situation.

1395
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: I wrote down somewhere, Hopefully I have it somewhere where

1396
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 2: like all the sacks were to blame, right, and who

1397
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 2: was to blame in my mind, you know, I'm not

1398
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 2: in the room. I don't know for one hundred percent,

1399
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 2: but just where the blame was for some of the sacks.

1400
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 2: So I look at the very first sack in the

1401
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 2: red zone and wasn't a great execution on the chip

1402
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 2: by Will Campbell. He lets Miles Garrett around him. But

1403
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: I kind of felt like that was also a little

1404
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 2: bit on may Like I thought he held the ball

1405
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 2: a little bit on that play. They did ship Miles Garrett.

1406
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 2: It happened in over four seconds. There was an open

1407
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 2: receiver in the middle of the field. He also could

1408
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 2: have ran out to his right, you know, and try

1409
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 2: to extend the play that way. So I kind of

1410
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 2: looked at that one as I gave it to Campbell,

1411
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 2: like it's Campbell's sack, But I also kind of look

1412
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 2: at it and say the quarterback could helped him out

1413
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: a little bit there. The other Miles Garrett sacks, one

1414
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 2: of them was on Jared Wilson on a stunt. He

1415
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: stunted inside a little tn he wraps inside, beats Jared Wilson.

1416
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 2: He beat Morgan Moses on the hunt move like a

1417
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 2: couple of times and finally got a sack out of

1418
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 2: it on Morgan Moses and then they had the bootleg sack.

1419
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 2: So two on Campbell on the chips, one on Wilson,

1420
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 2: one on Moses, one on scheme or you know, play call.

1421
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: I didn't think this was a disastrous game from Will Campbell.

1422
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: I really didn't, And watching it back, I thought he

1423
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 2: was really good against Miles Garrett one on one, got

1424
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 2: him eight times without any help. One on one, I

1425
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 2: thought he won seven of them and the one time

1426
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 2: that he didn't win, Drake May stepped up in the

1427
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 2: pocket and scrambled, so it wasn't a pressure. I thought

1428
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: that he was much better without the chips and the chips,

1429
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 2: I'm sure you talked to David Andrews a little bit about,

1430
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,719
Speaker 2: you know, the technique and all that kind of stuff.

1431
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 2: It just wasn't executed properly. But outside of the two sacks,

1432
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 2: which were more about his execution I thought than Miles Garrett,

1433
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 2: I really think that this was a okay game for

1434
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 2: Will Campbell. I'm not gonna excuse him for the sacks,

1435
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 2: but I think that it was better than the original

1436
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 2: watch made it see him.

1437
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: A first ballot Hall of Famer, made a rookie look

1438
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: like a rookie going up against the first ballot Hall

1439
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 1: of Famer like.

1440
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 2: It wasn't a disqualifying game by any means.

1441
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: He needs to be better than that most weeks, but

1442
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: he's not facing Miles Garrett most weeks. Right, you mentioned

1443
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 1: the chips, and what Andrews had talked about was, you know,

1444
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 1: the chip is not necessarily meant to buy you time.

1445
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,919
Speaker 2: It's to offset the center of gravity.

1446
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 1: And what Campbell does is he used it to buy time,

1447
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: so he hunter Henry chips, he's still back in his

1448
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: pass set, and then he lets Garrett come to him,

1449
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: so it's essentially resetting the rush. It does buy you

1450
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: a second, but it doesn't actually make anything easier for

1451
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: Campbell in the one on one. If anything, it makes

1452
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: it harder because now Garrett has more of a head

1453
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: of team coming to him. And what Andrews pointed out

1454
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: is later in the game, it wasn't against Garrett, it

1455
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: was against somebody else. They get the same look, and

1456
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: this time Will Campbell steps up and meets him right

1457
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: in the chip, meets the rusher right in the chip,

1458
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: instead of letting the rusher come to him, so you

1459
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: saw the growth there. I don't think Will Campbell's at

1460
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: the point where he's Trent Brown, We're all right, we're

1461
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: not gonna chip because it's gonna throw him off.

1462
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 2: He just has to.

1463
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 1: He didn't really get chip help in college, so it's

1464
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: not something he's done a lot.

1465
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 2: He has to learn how to. This was also a

1466
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 2: very different type of chip help because, like Hunter, Henry

1467
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 2: literally is like chucking him off the line of scrimmage,

1468
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 2: like he's engaging him off the line of scrimmage in

1469
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 2: his face. Whereas as the game we're on, there's a

1470
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 2: couple of more instances. One on I believe it was

1471
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 2: Booty's touchdown where they executed the chip better, but also

1472
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: that he got chip help from the running back instead

1473
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 2: of the tight end on the line of scrimmage. And

1474
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 2: I think those he looks a little bit more comfortable

1475
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 2: with because that helps him with the short corner, right,

1476
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 2: because we talked a lot about with him, you know,

1477
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 2: and the ability, you know, to get a little bit

1478
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 2: over aggressive and kind of get off his landmark and

1479
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 2: then open the inside to those inside rush moves. When

1480
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 2: you get a little bit of help, you know from

1481
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 2: the running back coming out of the backfield. What that

1482
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 2: can do is that pushes the rusher back inside. So

1483
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 2: instead of allowing the rusher to threaten the corner and

1484
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 2: open up Will Campbell now he can kind of set

1485
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 2: a little bit more to the inside and have that

1486
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 2: ability to just let the chip kind of just push

1487
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 2: him back inside towards him. So I think the running

1488
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 2: back chip help. He's better at that. So like if

1489
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 2: I when they're moving forward, if you're not gonna see

1490
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 2: Miles scared again, thank god, But if they see another

1491
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 2: pass rusher that's an elite guy. I don't even know

1492
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: when or if, but if they do, then I think

1493
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 2: the running back chip help is he seems more comfortable

1494
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 2: with that than he did with the tight end chips.

1495
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 2: And then as the game we're on, like he closed

1496
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 2: down the space and he got much better at it,

1497
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 2: even with Hunter Henry working on the chips. But I

1498
01:12:56,320 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 2: agree with the point when he goes and chip, like

1499
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 2: Campbell needs to take that time to go get his

1500
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 2: hands on Garrett, right. He can't sit back and try

1501
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,560
Speaker 2: to catch Garrett. You want to chip him from the

1502
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 2: tight end, campb will get aggressive. He gets his hands

1503
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,719
Speaker 2: on him too, and now we're running riding him around

1504
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 2: the edge again. I thought he was much better on

1505
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 2: one on one pass pro in this game than he

1506
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 2: was with the Chips. So those were the sacks, you know.

1507
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: I like to see them take a little bit fewer sacks,

1508
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 2: you know, Drake May take a little bit of fewer sacks.

1509
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 2: I think this goes hands in hand a little bit

1510
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 2: with the man coverage stuff that we saw from Cleveland

1511
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 2: in this game, which I think more teams are gonna

1512
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 2: try against the Patriots. Even though the Patriots won some

1513
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: rounds in man coverage, the forty four yard at a

1514
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 2: pop being a big one. The twenty eight yard scramble

1515
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 2: by may was against man coverage, they also had to pick.

1516
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 2: They had five sacks of their six sacks were in

1517
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 2: man to man. Man with a spy on Drake May

1518
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 2: might be might be the book of what teams try

1519
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,560
Speaker 2: playing zone against Drake may As a death sentence. Do

1520
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 2: not play zone against this kid. Like second him the

1521
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 2: league and EPA against zone coverage, he is lighting up zone.

1522
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 2: The only quarterback in the league that has been better

1523
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 2: against zone covers than Drake may As Patrick Mahomes so

1524
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: like that's not an answer. You know, these two deep zones,

1525
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,759
Speaker 2: he's covered two's like he's just shredding those types of zones.

1526
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 2: Man to man is more about the receivers than it

1527
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,719
Speaker 2: is about the scheme or the quarterback. Can the receivers

1528
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 2: get open? That that's the difference. So I think we're

1529
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 2: gonna see a little bit more of that moving forward.

1530
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,919
Speaker 2: You spy Drake May with a linebacker, you know, Carson's

1531
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 2: Wessinger did it on his pick. He's a spy in

1532
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 2: that play. And then you play man to man on

1533
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 2: the back end. Can the receivers separate consistently against man?

1534
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,719
Speaker 2: If you spy Drake May, can he outrun the spy?

1535
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 3: You know?

1536
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 2: Is that a factor or not a factor? I think

1537
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 2: that's where we're headed here. If you keep playing zone

1538
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 2: against Drake May, he's gonna be the most efficient quarterback

1539
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 2: in the league all year. Like that, that's just gonna

1540
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 2: be a death sentence for teams. Maybe the man to

1541
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 2: man stuff is it? Browns kind of found something in

1542
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 2: that first half. The Falcons a aj Terrell, It's not

1543
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 2: really what they do. They're more of his own defense.

1544
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're gonna play a lot of

1545
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 2: man in this game. It's not really their book. It's

1546
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 2: not really their mo Tampa maybe, Like you know, I

1547
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 2: don't know if these teams have it in terms of

1548
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 2: the horse. Yeah, so that's the thing. It's easier said

1549
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 2: than done. You got to have the horses to do it.

1550
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: And then you know, not this year, but long term,

1551
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: if you're the Patriots, you go out and you get

1552
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of man beater wide receivers and you put

1553
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: him around Drake May. So that's if that's the book

1554
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: on Drake May, that's not an easy defensive game plan

1555
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: to execute by any means, not for four quarters.

1556
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 2: No, And you know his big playability, his explosive playability

1557
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 2: to run scramble and then also to extend plays and

1558
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 2: give the receivers more time to open up against man coverage,

1559
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 2: that's tough to cover too. So if you're gonna play man,

1560
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 2: like I said, it's got to be with a spy,

1561
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 2: it's got to be with a contained rush trying to

1562
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 2: aim to keep him in the court, in the pocket

1563
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 2: and make throws from the pocket, because if you let

1564
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 2: him dip and rip like on the pop Douglas one,

1565
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 2: he's gonna hit bombs down the field against broken coverage,

1566
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 2: so it's a hard quarterback to solve. I mean, that's

1567
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 2: what makes them good. But I do think demand stuff

1568
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 2: in the first half that Cleveland played, they might see

1569
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 2: a little bit more of that here moving forward. Going

1570
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 2: over to the defense, I mentioned the script numbers are

1571
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 2: just insane.

1572
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 5: You know.

1573
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 2: Right now, they're giving up seven point eight yards per play.

1574
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,560
Speaker 2: They're giving up an explosive play twenty four percent of

1575
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 2: the time, and the opponent's first two drives of the game,

1576
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 2: so they are last in the league in yards per

1577
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 2: play on the first two drives of the game. They

1578
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 2: then almost cut it in half for the rest of

1579
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 2: the game. They go from seven point eight in the

1580
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 2: opening script to four point seven outside of the script.

1581
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 2: On defense, but similar to what we're talking about with

1582
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 2: the sacks on offense, so far they've gotten away with it.

1583
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 2: The question is when does that run out? It does it,

1584
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: you know, But when and if that luck runs out,

1585
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 2: you know, are they porked at that point?

1586
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: I mean, look against better offensive teams, it's gonna be

1587
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: much much harder. You can't put yourself in that hole

1588
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,560
Speaker 1: like Tampa. Tampa is the game I'm watching for in

1589
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: that regard.

1590
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So last thing here, the biggest thing that I

1591
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 2: see with this defense that's still breaking my brain. And

1592
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep harping on this until they prove

1593
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 2: me right or proved me wrong. Twenty eighth in the

1594
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 2: league in past DVA, fourth in the league in scoring.

1595
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 2: Defense doesn't add up. It doesn't add up. So I

1596
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 2: looked this up. I went back five years. Over the

1597
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 2: last five years, eighty percent of the defenses that finished

1598
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 2: top ten in scoring also finished top ten in past

1599
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 2: DV away. So the best pass defenses in the league

1600
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,759
Speaker 2: are also the best scoring defenses in the league. Shocker.

1601
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 2: There's always one outlier. Maybe the Patriots are it. The

1602
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 2: Niners are also another outlier. This season, their pass defense

1603
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 2: has struggled, but statistically speaking, again, if you continue to

1604
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 2: play pass defense level, the numbers are telling us that

1605
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 2: water is going to find its level eventually with the scoring.

1606
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 2: So can they keep up this level of scoring defense

1607
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 2: as the stakes ray eyes as the opponents get better.

1608
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 2: If they don't improve significantly as a pass defense, I

1609
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 2: think is another thing that could come back up. In

1610
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 2: let's say January, when we're talking about why their season ended,

1611
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 2: it might be because they faced Patrick Mahomes or Justin

1612
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 2: Herbert or Josh Allen and they couldn't get off the

1613
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 2: field on defense and they couldn't stop. I think that

1614
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 2: there's some truth to that, because you know, in this game,

1615
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 2: like Dylan Gabriel has Isaiah Bond wide open down the

1616
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 2: field and misses him. Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert or

1617
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,799
Speaker 2: Josh Allen is not missing that throw like this quarterback

1618
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 2: does you know? Ward? You know has one good half

1619
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,799
Speaker 2: of football, but doesn't have four quarters of good football

1620
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 2: in Tennessee the week before. You know, this type of

1621
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: stuff might come up to haunt them once they face

1622
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 2: better teams, so that the good and the bad. I

1623
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 2: didn't really have anything that got them beat. I thought

1624
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 2: I did.

1625
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: They had some sloppy plays late that against the better

1626
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: team would.

1627
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 2: Would concern me.

1628
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: Uh on sidekick fumble, yeah, along an onside kick recovery,

1629
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: Travon Henderson fumbling at the goal, and they had some

1630
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: avoidable penalties. Marte Mapu lines up incorrectly on the opening kickoff,

1631
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: a couple third down fall starts at third and one fall.

1632
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: I forget which one was which Hunter Henry and Mike

1633
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: and Wnnu got called for fall start. BA one was

1634
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: on a third and one, which pushed them back to

1635
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 1: third and five and they stall out and the others

1636
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: on a third and long. But it was at the

1637
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: end of the first half there and temporarily took him

1638
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: at a field goal range if if you know, May

1639
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: doesn't hit that throat a booty, which, by the way,

1640
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: you know it's ridiculous. Kishon Boody had that stretch of

1641
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: consecutive catches for a first down. I think it reached

1642
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: twelve and it snaps because he gets twenty three yards

1643
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: on third and twenty four.

1644
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 2: But this is what I'm talking about, right, Like, they

1645
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,759
Speaker 2: get into third and twenty four and they get knocked

1646
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 2: out of field goal range before halftime most teams, that's dead, right, Like,

1647
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 2: that's not your right. But so they hit a twenty

1648
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 2: one yard pass and they get right back into very

1649
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,600
Speaker 2: makeable field goal range, not just field goal range like

1650
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 2: under fifty yard old.

1651
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 1: Let's also give Andy burg Alli some credit. He's been

1652
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 1: really good lately and that's gone under the radar.

1653
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean he's not exactly hitting bombs like you.

1654
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 2: No forty two is. I mean, it's not a chip shot,

1655
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 2: but it's manageable.

1656
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: But this might like you're right, that usually doesn't happen,

1657
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: which is why I put that penalty in the stuff

1658
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: that gets you beat category. Yeah, they recovered on sidekick,

1659
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 1: the fumbled the goal line, a bad bad chank punt

1660
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 1: from Bryce Bearing or just like they kind of let

1661
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 1: go of the rope at the end there, and yeah,

1662
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure Mike Rabel will that's probably all

1663
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: they've heard about all week.

1664
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 2: So sacks, pass defense, some of the situational football late

1665
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 2: in the game. You know, those are the things that

1666
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 2: when you get into a game against a healthy Baltimore,

1667
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 2: Buffalo Tampa playoffs like those are the things that you

1668
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 2: hope they can fix. They can fine tune, they can correct,

1669
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 2: and you know, before the players.

1670
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's crazy. They they haven't looked like

1671
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: a young team as much as they probably should have

1672
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:07,600
Speaker 1: at points this year except in those moments. So you

1673
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: hope later in the year, like they don't look like

1674
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: as much of a young team because.

1675
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 2: They're not as young at that point. Bill Belchick, you

1676
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 2: said no rookies was once you get past Thanksgiving? Right, Yeah,

1677
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 2: something like that, Bill Belichick all right, Patty's Patty's in

1678
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 2: the agoa, we're going to take the casts. I know,

1679
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 2: I always leave you guys on. Hold, what's up Patty?

1680
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 7: Hey, what's going on?

1681
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 5: Guys?

1682
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: How are you doing.

1683
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 5: Good?

1684
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 7: So I got a point and a couple questions to

1685
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 7: end with. I know this is probably not going to

1686
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 7: be a very popular take, but I don't know if

1687
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 7: I would want to trade for Trey Hendrickson just because

1688
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 7: of the age. He's injured right now, and realistically he's

1689
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 7: been great, he's been a great player, But how many

1690
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 7: more great years are you going to get out of him,

1691
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 7: you know, especially like if if he comes here and

1692
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 7: then he decides to test the market afterwards, So there's

1693
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 7: you know, trading for somebody like that is a little

1694
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 7: bit ballatle in my opinion. Alexi brought up their name

1695
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 7: boy A my fey. I mean, like as far as

1696
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 7: defensive ends go, I know, like Ard and Key's a

1697
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 7: popular name. But if you're gonna swing for defenses like Mafe,

1698
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 7: if he's available, I would, I mean, I would give

1699
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 7: up a date two picks for that guy. My two questions.

1700
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 7: A lot of a lot of people bring up Jerome Forard.

1701
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 7: Alexi brought him up earlier, but and I would I

1702
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 7: would very much welcome him on the team. But a

1703
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 7: guy that doesn't get mentioned a lot that I would

1704
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 7: like to see here, who can he's return kicks in

1705
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 7: the past, he hasn't done it in the past two years.

1706
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 7: Is Tony Pollard and he could be your third down

1707
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 7: running back and possibly get him out there to return kicks.

1708
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 7: What do you guys feel about that? And Kevin, you

1709
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 7: you brought up like obviously the sack numbers and the

1710
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 7: pressure numbers on may we know that during his North

1711
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 7: Carolina career he did run a lot of RPOs. As

1712
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 7: the season gets gets a little bit more deep and

1713
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 7: Josh opens up the playbook, do you think they add

1714
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 7: a few RPOs a game just to see if we

1715
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 7: can get the ball out quickly so he doesn't get

1716
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 7: that quick pressure. And I'll take it off there.

1717
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 2: Guys, Thanks Pat, thanks for the call. Yeah, they they haven't.

1718
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 2: They've gone away from some of that stuff, you know,

1719
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 2: RPO read option. They do it a little bit on

1720
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 2: the goal line where I don't know if it's a

1721
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 2: true read option. He might just kind of be threatening

1722
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 2: the backside to try to like hold the backside and

1723
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 2: kind of give them pause. But they haven't done a

1724
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 2: ton of RPO stuff lately. They instead of doing that,

1725
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 2: they've kind of went more to the boots and the

1726
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 2: under center and moving the pocket and like getting him,

1727
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,640
Speaker 2: you know, his legs involved that way instead. So I

1728
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 2: don't know if that's a comfort thing, like maybe he

1729
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 2: feels more comfortable. I know he did a lot of

1730
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 2: RPO at college, so you would think that he would

1731
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 2: be comfortable with that. But it's different in the NFL.

1732
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 3: You know.

1733
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 2: One of the big things with RPOs it's different in

1734
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 2: the NFL is how far down the field you can

1735
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 2: block legally on RPOs. In the NFL it's I think

1736
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 2: it's two yards. In college, it's like five or something

1737
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 2: crazy like that. Yeah, so you see the lineman way

1738
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 2: further down on the field and the run action in

1739
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 2: college and that mesh, like you can hold the mesh

1740
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 2: for a lot longer than you can in the NFL.

1741
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 2: So I think that that's why you're seeing some of

1742
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 2: these RPO schemes that have trickled up to the NFL.

1743
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 2: They haven't been quite as effective since they first kind

1744
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 2: of broke in with it. Because of that. I think

1745
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 2: defenses have adjusted, But I would also say, you know,

1746
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,759
Speaker 2: the rules in the NFL with the illegal man downfield

1747
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 2: penalties is definitely a little bit more restrictive than it

1748
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 2: is in the college game. And then also like the hashes, right,

1749
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 2: like you know, there's a lot more space to the

1750
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 2: field in the college game than there is in the

1751
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 2: pro game as well. What was the Tony Pollard? Yeah,

1752
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: so yeah, I.

1753
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: Feel like that's a guy that you know, I think

1754
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 1: they're probably looking at in my mind, would be looking

1755
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: to add a third running back. Yeah, and Tony Pollard's

1756
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: the guy with his pedigree and the way he's played.

1757
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 1: I don't think you want to bury Traveon Henderson. How

1758
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: is he going to handle coming here and being in

1759
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 1: a third running back role. Weren't there some reports that

1760
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,799
Speaker 1: he didn't love splitting carries with Ezekiel Elliott and Dallas.

1761
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 1: And I think they probably want to go younger too.

1762
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: You know, Tony Pollard's only twenty eight, but for running

1763
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: back that that's getting up there a little bit. Yeah,

1764
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: now Taja Spears, Yeah, as a you know, five minute back,

1765
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 1: third running back, the Titans backup running back would make

1766
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 1: more sense to me.

1767
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 2: I think if you're gonna go as big as Tony Pollard.

1768
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 1: Well, at that point you called the Jets about Reese

1769
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: hal and I just don't think that's the kind of

1770
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 1: back they need to add. They don't need somebody to

1771
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: the top the depth chart. They just need a third guy,

1772
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: a body who's gonna be able to split some carries

1773
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: with Stevenson. I don't know that the Pollard's going to

1774
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: slide into that role.

1775
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: So I I had thought about Tony Pollard during Titans Week, obviously,

1776
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 2: just because it was relevant at the time. If Remandre's

1777
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 2: fumbling issues continued and they really had to bench Remandre,

1778
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 2: then it would make more sense, and I thought I

1779
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 2: thought it made a lot of sense. Obviously, it's only

1780
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 2: been two games where he's had it a little bit

1781
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 2: better under wraps in terms of the fumbling, But it

1782
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 2: seems like they've he's sort of leveled off in that regard.

1783
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 2: Red he had to fumble in Buffalo, I think might

1784
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 2: have been the last one that he fumbled, yes, And

1785
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 2: so I think that that's hopefully they've kind of corrected

1786
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 2: that and we're moving past that. If they were in

1787
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 2: a position where they had to bench Fromandre, Stevenson because

1788
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 2: of fumbling, then Tony Poller would have made a lot

1789
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 2: of sense. But because they aren't in that position, I

1790
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 2: think I'm more with you that they need a third

1791
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 2: running back. You know, Tajy Spears is a good shout.

1792
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 2: You know, Jerome Ford is a guy just for the

1793
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 2: kickoff returns to is a good shout. Those types of

1794
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 2: players more so than you know, Tony Poller is making

1795
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 2: a lot of money, like Tony Powler's like a ten

1796
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 2: eleven million dollar a year running back. They're not doing

1797
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 2: that unless he's starting and he's playing. Now, what was

1798
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 2: the other thing I was gonna say about the backs?

1799
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 2: I don't remember. Let's let's keep garling what they calls

1800
01:26:58,680 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 2: Sam is in Virginia. What's up to say?

1801
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my college.

1802
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 2: Thanks for waye. I appreciate it.

1803
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, of course, just one quick question. That's the deadline.

1804
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 2: No.

1805
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 8: We opened up the show talking about the dugger trade

1806
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 8: a little concerned about the safety deaths here. I mean,

1807
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 8: Jalen Hawkins and Craig Woodson has emerged and seemed like uh,

1808
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 8: solid starters, but that's just kind of an issue all

1809
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 8: around their roster, especially in the safety room. Now I'm

1810
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 8: curious if you could see a trade on the margins

1811
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 8: for for sue safety help. I don't take it off there.

1812
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call us, Sam, Yeah absolutely. I mean

1813
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 2: they signed Sonders from the Dolphins practice squad. That's, you know,

1814
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 2: similar to signing Richie Grant to their practice squad. It

1815
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 2: feels very depthy, like that doesn't feel like a guy

1816
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 2: that could truly step in to a third safety role.

1817
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 2: I wonder how they feel about del Pettis. You know,

1818
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 2: maybe they feel like he's made strides behind the scenes.

1819
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 2: He's a decent find as a rookie, as an undrafted

1820
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 2: rookie last year, maybe he can be that safety. I

1821
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 2: would still entertain all safety suggestions. I'll keep pounting the

1822
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,759
Speaker 2: table to try to pry a Moni Hooker out of Tennessee.

1823
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's just happened last offseason he did. Yeah,

1824
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's gonna happen, But Tennessee says

1825
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 2: they're open for business on everybody that isn't Cam Warden

1826
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 2: and Jeffrey Simmons. So I'm at least making the phone call. Vrabel,

1827
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 2: guy grew up in that system, would definitely be seamless.

1828
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 4: Now.

1829
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 2: With all that being said, Woodson I think has shown

1830
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 2: enough flashes that I'd like to continue to develop. Craig Woodson.

1831
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 2: Jalen Hawkins, for what it's worth, is PFF seventh rated safety.

1832
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 2: He's been playing well.

1833
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 1: I mean, hamstring injuries are tricky, as we've learned this year,

1834
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 1: but he has been playing well. It's that's in the

1835
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: short term, like, well, this will be different when.

1836
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 2: We get to the offseason. In the short term, that's more.

1837
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: I don't think they need to go out and try

1838
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 1: to find like somebody who's going to push Hawkins off

1839
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 1: the depth chart. I just you know, the depth eyes

1840
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 1: up really quickly. You already have Hawkins dealing with an injury.

1841
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: Craig Woodson's been on the injury report. Do they have

1842
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 1: the bodies there is more of the question for me. Look,

1843
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 1: I take them on the hooker, certainly, but I think

1844
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: you can get by for this year with Hawkins and Woodson.

1845
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:15,640
Speaker 1: You don't need to move a third round pick at

1846
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 1: the deadline right to get a new starting safety.

1847
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. I think they figured out with Hawkins, he's

1848
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 2: just not at man coverage on tight end safety. They

1849
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 2: got burned a couple times by Brat Bauers and the opener,

1850
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 2: and I think they kind of were like, all right,

1851
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 2: we've seen enough. Yeah, that's not his role now that

1852
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,679
Speaker 2: they got him, you know, kind of doing a little

1853
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 2: bit of everything, playing deep, playing in the box and

1854
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 2: being more of like a free defender that's just allowed

1855
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 2: to roam and play over the top and great interception

1856
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,640
Speaker 2: on Sunday, you know, playing the deep part of the

1857
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 2: field like that's his game. He's not gonna go cover

1858
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts one on one. That's not his game. Yeah,

1859
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 2: So if you're looking for safety type, like that's the type.

1860
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 2: Like they need somebody to cover the tight end. They

1861
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 2: tried Marte Mapi. We played one play nineteen yards off

1862
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 2: the field, right like they They've tried Hawkins not so good.

1863
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 2: They've tried Woodson not so great. They've tried, you know,

1864
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 2: just zoning off the tight end. Right now, they're fifth

1865
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 2: in the league and yards allowed to tight ends. Dalton

1866
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 2: kick went off against them, brought Bowers went off against

1867
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 2: them in this game. I think Kyle Pitts could go

1868
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 2: off against them if he gets the quarterback play that

1869
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 2: he needs to do. So, so it's a position that

1870
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 2: is more like a role that they need to fill,

1871
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 2: Like they need to cover safety. So what about a

1872
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 2: coverage linebacker. Sure, I don't know if he's going one

1873
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 2: on one against the tight end, but I like Logan

1874
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 2: Wilson as a player, Like I think it's an upgrade

1875
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 2: over Ellis to Vai Gibbons, like at that spot next

1876
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 2: to Splane. I don't know if he's the answer to

1877
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 2: all your tight end problems, but I would kick the

1878
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 2: tires on it just because of the upgrade that it

1879
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 2: would be at that level. I just I don't know

1880
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 2: if it's scheme. I don't know if they can do

1881
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 2: something differently scheme wise. But you know, even Harold Fannon,

1882
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 2: you know, nineteen yard third down crosser touchdown on an

1883
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 2: eighteen yard play and Joco got him once.

1884
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: I do think the touchdown was a miscommunication, busty coverage, Yeah,

1885
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 1: but still yeah, yeah.

1886
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 2: They do know they need a tight end stopper, and

1887
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 2: that's a long term meet. It's a problem. It's been

1888
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 2: a problem. All right, Let's go back to the phones.

1889
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 2: Uh Don is in Philly? What's up? Don? Hey? Guys, Hey,

1890
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 2: how are we doing?

1891
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 3: Not want us to discuss the secondary really quickly. You know,

1892
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 3: while the Marcus Jones extension obviously we're gonna have to

1893
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 3: shell out a lot of cash. Figazol is most likely

1894
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:42,799
Speaker 3: the SAFT season. What I was looking up Carlton Davis's

1895
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 3: contract looks like he has like thirty four million guaran speed.

1896
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 3: That's a lot of cash that's going to be spent

1897
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:54,879
Speaker 3: towards the secondary. Do you possibly see us unloading Carlton

1898
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 3: Davis maybe at the end of this year, seeing if

1899
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 3: we can find a trade partner. It just seems like

1900
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 3: there's some hold on the defense that we could use,

1901
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 3: you know, fill that, you know, that linebacker spot, maybe

1902
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 3: get another stafety somewhere, just because they're also spending so

1903
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 3: much money on the D line. And secondly, you know,

1904
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:19,560
Speaker 3: now we have ten draft picks this upcoming year, a

1905
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 3: lot in the sixth round. Sounds like we're going to

1906
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 3: try to get some depth, but we really need to,

1907
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 3: you know, help Drake may out in the long run,

1908
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:29,640
Speaker 3: and I think Evans said it the other day, we

1909
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 3: just we can't just keep this same or going forward.

1910
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 3: I doubt there's going to be a move at the

1911
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 3: trade deadline for someone that's you know, truly going to

1912
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 3: change how this roster you know, works this year in

1913
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 3: terms of Drake's may development. But who are we targeting,

1914
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 3: you know, maybe in the off season or who do

1915
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 3: you guys want as like a dynamic playmaker to help

1916
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 3: Drake May out. And I'll take it off you guys pick.

1917
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 2: Thanks Don, thanks for the call. You know, I to

1918
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 2: that last point that that's my feeling on it is

1919
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 2: just I'll look back at learning from mistakes in twenty

1920
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 2: twenty one. Yeah, twenty twenty one, you have the big

1921
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 2: off season, big free agency spending spree, record breaking at

1922
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 2: the time you draft Mac Jones, he has a decent

1923
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 2: rookie season, and then your big off season acquisition on

1924
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 2: offense is Devonte Parker.

1925
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 7: Right.

1926
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,679
Speaker 2: So I don't know how it fits into the puzzle

1927
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 2: that they're building here offensively, but you need to do

1928
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:35,560
Speaker 2: something next off season to continue stacking right, and it

1929
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 2: has to be better than something like davontee. I don't

1930
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 2: think you need to rebuild the whole thing.

1931
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 1: But it's just like he said, add a playmaker or two,

1932
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: whether that's in a draft, whether it's in fregency. We

1933
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 1: talked about, you know, we know Josh McDaniels is happy

1934
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 1: to go two tight ends. Do you get a more dynamic,

1935
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, yards after the catch tight end next to

1936
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 1: Duranry's at the move?

1937
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 2: Do you try to find a you know, it's all right.

1938
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 1: Booty and Digs ideally would be your one and two

1939
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: receivers again, do you try to find a third guy

1940
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:07,680
Speaker 1: with a little more explosiveness than Mac Hollins but more

1941
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 1: consistency than Pop Douglas. Again, maybe that is Kyle Williams,

1942
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 1: or maybe they go back to the draft a guy

1943
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 1: like KC. Conception Own or you know, we could go

1944
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 1: through all that. But to his point about Carlton Davis,

1945
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,560
Speaker 1: it's a it's a yeah, it's an expensive secondary, but

1946
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:24,760
Speaker 1: it's a good secondary.

1947
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 2: It's not like, well, I think the point that he's

1948
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 2: trying to get at, and we can just address the

1949
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 2: elephant in the room is Christian Gonzalez's future extension and

1950
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 2: just future period when you're now the thing about Carlton

1951
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 2: Davis though, you know, before I get into the whole

1952
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 2: Gonzales of it all, Carlton Davis's contract is really only

1953
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 2: a two year deal, right, so like in Gonzalez's money

1954
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 2: doesn't kick in till twenty twenty seven, right, because he's

1955
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 2: going to sign an extra Well, if he signs an extension,

1956
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 2: I would asume they're gonna use to do the fifth

1957
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 2: year option. Well, you can't do it that way. If

1958
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 2: he signs an extension, then the extension kicks in after

1959
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 2: his force, so you would have to wait until the

1960
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 2: fifth year option year to then next sign the agree

1961
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 2: to the fifth year option and then extend them on

1962
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 2: top of the fifth year option. Yeah, how they're not

1963
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,679
Speaker 2: going to like say like, oh, we're fifth year option

1964
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 2: and then like you have to team control for like

1965
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 2: eight years. Well, it's still only going to overlap for

1966
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 2: a year. So he has two more pure years on

1967
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 2: his rookie contract right this year, next year? Yeah, taking

1968
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 2: out the fifth year. So then if so if if

1969
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 2: they move on next year and then the following year.

1970
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 2: So yes, this is year two when when your extension

1971
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 2: kick in? Year Oh god, now you're making me do

1972
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 2: math live on the air. So he's going into his

1973
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 2: fourth year next year, right, twenty two is twenty three,

1974
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, twenty six

1975
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 2: last year and the extent you kick in twenty seven,

1976
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 2: So that's the hour we're not good at math, and

1977
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:49,560
Speaker 2: you're making me do it on the air. You and

1978
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 2: you love the math.

1979
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 1: Uh, Carlton Davis. The twenty seven year on Carlton Davis's

1980
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: contract is the dumb year.

1981
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 2: That's what you can get out of.

1982
01:35:57,640 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be paying both those guys at the

1983
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 1: same time after next year, after twenty twenty six. It's

1984
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 1: a real conversation. Yes, I don't think, first of all,

1985
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 1: there's a ton of dead cap if you do move

1986
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 1: on from Carlton Davis after this year, at least if

1987
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 1: you cut him, not if you trade him.

1988
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 2: But no, they're gonna They're in the Carlton Davis business

1989
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 2: through twenty twenty six, as they should be. And I've

1990
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 2: seen people say, oh, it's an expensive secondary. Now I

1991
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 2: do something.

1992
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 1: It didn't like sneak up on them that they have

1993
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: an expensive secondary. They didn't Harrod Gonzales, but he's on

1994
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 1: a rookie contract. They signed Carlton Davis, they signed Marcus Jones.

1995
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 1: Maybe they want a high priced secondary because they know

1996
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: they value talent back there. And we've talked a lot

1997
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 1: about how good they are developing pass rushers, and we've

1998
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 1: seen the work that they've done with calevon Chase on Frankly,

1999
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 1: the work they've done with Milton Williams as a run

2000
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 1: player and how he's progressed. He's better than the player

2001
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 1: he wasn't Philly, and it's credit to him and it's

2002
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 1: credit to coaching staff. You know, we'll see hopefully maybe

2003
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:55,560
Speaker 1: some of these younger guys coming up Caleb Murphy and

2004
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 1: Elijah Ponder and Braden Swinton at some point. But like

2005
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots kind of did this in reverse when they

2006
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 1: had Belichick here, they could develop the hell out of

2007
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:10,599
Speaker 1: some cornerbacks and so they put more draft resources. They

2008
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 1: put more financial resources into the front because hey, we

2009
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: can go find Jonathan Jones, j C.

2010
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 2: Jackson, Malcolm Butler.

2011
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 1: Now there's obviously exceptions, right Stefan Gilmore, But you build

2012
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 1: your team around your strengths and weaknesses, and they may

2013
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 1: look at it, and this is a little over simplified,

2014
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 1: but they may look at it and say, hey, you know,

2015
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: the guys we have coach in the front, and that's

2016
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 1: just something that clicks for us, and we can develop

2017
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,800
Speaker 1: guys there better than we can in the secondary. So

2018
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 1: let's pump some money in the secondary, get set back there,

2019
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:42,719
Speaker 1: and yeah, maybe we're not working with the same high price,

2020
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 1: high draft pick guys up front, but we know that

2021
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 1: we can identify and develop the talent to get more

2022
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:49,679
Speaker 1: out of those guys than the average team would.

2023
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 2: So it's just but you have Milon Williams under a

2024
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 2: big contract, you have a Christian Barmore under a big contract.

2025
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,640
Speaker 2: I wouldn't call Marcus Jones' contract big, but it's for

2026
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,560
Speaker 2: the position. He's well paid now once the extension kicks in.

2027
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:08,080
Speaker 2: I just think that I'm a little bit on your

2028
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:10,600
Speaker 2: station side of the street with this. With Gonzales, the

2029
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 2: Felger and maz take of you know, is he here

2030
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:16,640
Speaker 2: long term? Is he a rabel guy? Is he are

2031
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 2: they fully thrilled with him? I just I hope that

2032
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 2: all that dust kind of settles and they end up

2033
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 2: extending Gonzales and making him one of the highest paid

2034
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 2: corners in football. But I'm not fully convinced yet that

2035
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 2: that is one hundred percent going to happen. That's just

2036
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 2: my opinion, is not anything else other than a take.

2037
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 2: But I just I hope that that does happen. But

2038
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 2: we'll see. I think we'll see, And I don't think

2039
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 2: that has anything to do with Carlton Davis, by the way, No,

2040
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 2: it doesn't. It's independent.

2041
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: I think they've We've had that question about a lot

2042
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 1: of players, and ultimately you can kind of draw a line.

2043
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 1: I think there are players that we identified as maybe

2044
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 1: not being rabel guys. The ones that performed are still here.

2045
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 1: Anthony Jennings played his way back onto this roster. He

2046
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 1: was not going to make the team at the start

2047
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 1: of camp. That's just it just looked plain and simple.

2048
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 2: Then he was really good.

2049
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:10,640
Speaker 1: The guys that aren't performing are not here, and I

2050
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 1: think yesterday is a perfect example of that with Keon

2051
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 1: White and Kyle Dugger. So they're in the business of

2052
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 1: keeping good football players. And you look at Marcus Jones,

2053
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: another guy did not look like a fit and and

2054
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:24,120
Speaker 1: just gets an extension. They're in the business of keeping

2055
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 1: good football players. Christian Zalez is a good football player.

2056
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:28,840
Speaker 2: Great, I mean he's he looked great against Cleveland. It

2057
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 2: is not a great wide receiver.

2058
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:32,759
Speaker 1: Room is not a great How many how many guys

2059
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 1: that we we kind of put in a box is

2060
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 1: not verbel Guys are still here that aren't performing, Like.

2061
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's a tough question for me to answer, Uh,

2062
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:53,800
Speaker 2: you could say the one maybe on the offensive line.

2063
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 1: He'd been he had a couple of rough weeks, but

2064
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 1: he was good to start the year. The one I

2065
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 1: look at maybe is Stevenson with the but they don't

2066
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 1: really have another option there.

2067
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just I'm not saying again I I this

2068
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 2: is not informed at all. I am just telling you

2069
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 2: that I still think that that prove it thing with

2070
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales still exists. We know in the past that

2071
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:21,600
Speaker 2: Rable hasn't been thrilled about soft tissue injuries and hamstrings,

2072
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 2: and that thing lingered and took a lot longer than

2073
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 2: it should have. Now he's starting to come back and

2074
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 2: look like Christian Gonzalez again. I certainly this last week

2075
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 2: I think was his best game so far. He's going

2076
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 2: to but against Buffalo too. Yeah, but I thought that

2077
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 2: this was his best week so far. So if he

2078
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:39,360
Speaker 2: finishes the season like this, if he goes nine games,

2079
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 2: then I think that we are talking tout. This is

2080
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:42,559
Speaker 2: my point.

2081
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 1: They're in the business of keeping good football players. If

2082
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 1: Gonzalz gives them a reason to keep them, they're going

2083
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 1: to keep them a great I think the one thing

2084
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:52,880
Speaker 1: you look at and this is big picture. Is guys

2085
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,679
Speaker 1: that because of their contract, because of their draft standing,

2086
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:59,559
Speaker 1: because of you know, previous leadership or starting roles or whatever.

2087
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 1: Guys that in a vacuum may have more of a

2088
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 1: leash to work through struggles. On the average team, don't

2089
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:10,679
Speaker 1: under Mike Vrabel because he's trying to get the program

2090
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 1: up and running, and he doesn't you know, he didn't

2091
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 1: draft him that high, he didn't sign him into that contract.

2092
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:20,639
Speaker 1: He doesn't have that kind of allegiance to them. Those

2093
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:22,560
Speaker 1: are the guys that you look at and Okay, is

2094
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 1: he not a rabele guys are gonna go. So if

2095
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 1: Gonzales were to slip, that conversation comes into play. But

2096
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:29,600
Speaker 1: like you said, he's been playing well, and if he

2097
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 1: keeps playing like this, just like Marcus Jones played well

2098
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:34,720
Speaker 1: and not only hung around, got an extension to a

2099
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 1: lesser extent, Anthony Jennings played well, kept himself on the

2100
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 1: team and now is in a role where like they

2101
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 1: need him and.

2102
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:43,599
Speaker 2: Is in kind of a that I just, yeah, there

2103
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 2: was a lot of money, I know what you're saying.

2104
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,679
Speaker 2: Giving the counter Gonzo w and the hamstring thing was happening.

2105
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 2: I just I'm just giving you the counter to it.

2106
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 2: I understand. I just think that when we start to

2107
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 2: look down the road, and again, this isn't about salary,

2108
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:00,759
Speaker 2: cap space, It's not about any of that kind of stuff.

2109
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:04,600
Speaker 2: It's just a business. He saw the guy, Yes, but

2110
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:06,760
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about the money, like we saw this

2111
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 2: in Dallas with Micah Parsons. Like it's just a business.

2112
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:12,640
Speaker 2: And when you're going to have to pay the quarterback

2113
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 2: probably the biggest contract in the history of the NFL,

2114
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:19,679
Speaker 2: not before long, and then you're gonna also make Gonzales

2115
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 2: the highest paid corner in the league. And then you

2116
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:24,360
Speaker 2: also have Milton Williams on a big contract, and you

2117
01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 2: also have Christian barm We're on a big contract. Like

2118
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 2: this is the problem that good teams have. Like this

2119
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:32,680
Speaker 2: is the problem that good teams have. The Chiefs ran

2120
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:34,960
Speaker 2: into it. It's why they traded Tyreek Hill. Like this

2121
01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:36,920
Speaker 2: is a problem that good teams have. I don't want

2122
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:37,519
Speaker 2: to get bught.

2123
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:39,320
Speaker 1: Down by the will to say real quick, I want

2124
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:42,480
Speaker 1: to talk Falcons so quick Milton Williams contract.

2125
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 2: Comes off the books by the time they pay Track

2126
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:48,519
Speaker 2: May okay, I mean again, like by what like Drake

2127
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 2: May is in year two, so he's a contract extension

2128
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:56,639
Speaker 2: eligible year from January and then he's four years into

2129
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:59,280
Speaker 2: his rookie contract. Again. I don't want to do math

2130
01:42:59,360 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 2: on the air.

2131
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 1: Extensional hit twenty twenty eight, which is technically last year

2132
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 1: of Milton Williams deal, but it's it's kind of a

2133
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:07,640
Speaker 1: dummy year, like it's all there's no dead money on it.

2134
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:10,720
Speaker 2: Okay, so at the very least they could. I'm not

2135
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:13,639
Speaker 2: worried about the contracts with the salary. I'm worried about

2136
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 2: the cash. I'm worried about them having to dole out

2137
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 2: a probably four hundred million dollars contract by that point.

2138
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 2: Milton Williams is for the accounting of it, not for

2139
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 2: when they actually have to start writing them checks.

2140
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 1: Right, They're not writing I don't think they're writing Milton

2141
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:32,599
Speaker 1: Williams big checks at that point, is what I'm saying.

2142
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 2: But the guaranteed money is the guaranteed money, like when

2143
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 2: he signs the deal, they have to actually put the

2144
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 2: money in escort actually right, and have to hold the

2145
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 2: money for drake Man and it'll have been paid at

2146
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 2: that point. But okay, I don't want to semari money. Yeah,

2147
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:50,280
Speaker 2: really quickly on the Falcons, I can come to your

2148
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:51,720
Speaker 2: side of the street for a second. Here with the

2149
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons of offense, I think it's how do I

2150
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 2: put this playly? I think it's crazy that they're twenty

2151
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 2: eighth in the league and scoring twenty eighth in the lead.

2152
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:08,439
Speaker 2: Were scoring with Bijon Robinson, Kyle Pitts, Drake London, Darnell Mooney.

2153
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 2: A decent offensive line, not like a CIVO. They got

2154
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:15,280
Speaker 2: some injuries, but yes, Cale McGarry got hurt. That that

2155
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 2: you know, they're starting right tackles out for the year.

2156
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:18,240
Speaker 2: That that was big.

2157
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah they didn't have and they didn't London miss last

2158
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 1: week and oh sure, but yeah, this.

2159
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 2: Was happening before. You know, this was getting shut out

2160
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:32,720
Speaker 2: by the Carolina Panthers, way before any of these, like

2161
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 2: you know, London and Pennics injury issues started to pop up.

2162
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 2: Your boy Pennic is not playing particularly well. No he's not.

2163
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,800
Speaker 2: That's upsetting. That's a part of it is does that

2164
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 2: offense make sense for him? So this offense, to me,

2165
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:47,839
Speaker 2: you're gonna love this take. This is a social media offense.

2166
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:52,560
Speaker 2: They do all these fancy motions and dipsy dudes and

2167
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:55,680
Speaker 2: oh we're gonna have four receivers on one side of

2168
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 2: the formation and go four strong, and we're gonna motion bijon.

2169
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:01,600
Speaker 2: He's gonna art outside, and he's gonna motion inside, and

2170
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,559
Speaker 2: he's gonna motion back outside, and he's gonna motion into

2171
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 2: the pistol and then we're gonna hand him the ball.

2172
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 2: But then sometimes we're gonna throw them screen and we're

2173
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:11,560
Speaker 2: just doing all this different stuff, and all these defenses

2174
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 2: are just letting the Falcons offense go into a blender

2175
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:18,920
Speaker 2: and then they're just sorting it out after the snap, right,

2176
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:21,599
Speaker 2: and they're just like, you're doing all this fancy stuff

2177
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 2: for no reason. No wonder the Dolphins cook them. They're

2178
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 2: used to seeing that. It's different. The Dolphins motion with

2179
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:31,560
Speaker 2: the purpose. Yes, yes, the Dolphins and the Rams and

2180
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,720
Speaker 2: the Niners. I can show you physical evidence of the

2181
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 2: motioning for purpose. This Falcon's team niner. Yes, this Falcons

2182
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:41,680
Speaker 2: team motions for fun. They motion because it's cool and

2183
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 2: like that, in my mind is killing them, along with

2184
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 2: the fact that every freaking time they line up in

2185
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 2: the pristol they just run outside zone.

2186
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I don't think they know how to use

2187
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:54,160
Speaker 1: So I'm a big fan of pistol. I think pistols

2188
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 1: an underused concept in the NFL. And I say that,

2189
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:00,040
Speaker 1: and then everybody points to the falcons and say, do

2190
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:02,040
Speaker 1: you really think that? Look what the falcons are doing.

2191
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:04,360
Speaker 1: I don't think they're using pistol correctly. First of all,

2192
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 1: you tell me this. Are they lining up too deep

2193
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 1: when they're in the pistol? It feels like bijon so

2194
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 1: far back.

2195
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 2: I think the biggest issue with them with the in

2196
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 2: the pistol is that they run the ball seventy one

2197
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 2: percent of the time out of the pistol, So it's

2198
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:21,240
Speaker 2: just a dead giveaway what they're doing. And really all

2199
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:24,600
Speaker 2: they do post nap they run outside zone and they

2200
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:26,680
Speaker 2: run boot off of outside. They don't do a lot

2201
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 2: out of it.

2202
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:29,000
Speaker 1: They don't do a lot at which the whole beauty

2203
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 1: of pistol is you get to run so many of

2204
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:36,559
Speaker 1: the under center concepts that are taken away by having

2205
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:38,599
Speaker 1: to be in the shotgun. Will still getting the view

2206
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 1: of the shotgun. You can run outside zone out of

2207
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 1: the shotgun.

2208
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:45,720
Speaker 2: So if I won, you know two little things on that, yeah,

2209
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:49,960
Speaker 2: the fact that their quarterback isn't mobiles killing them, because

2210
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:54,280
Speaker 2: when you run the pistol. The biggest advantage I would

2211
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:58,560
Speaker 2: say about running the pistol is running readoption and you know,

2212
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:01,760
Speaker 2: RPOs and stuff like that out of the pistol A

2213
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 2: la Lamar Jackson, right like that, that's the advantage of

2214
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 2: being in the pistol. Pennix with his two knees isn't

2215
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:13,040
Speaker 2: running anywhere. So therefore you just you know what you're

2216
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:15,880
Speaker 2: getting when they're in the pistol. They are awfully predictable.

2217
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 2: Out of the pistol. They don't go under center unless

2218
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 2: it's Victoried formation. Like, they don't run anything from under center,

2219
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:26,320
Speaker 2: which Penix is good under center. Washington get the quarterback

2220
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 2: under center, Like, I don't understand that. So their offense

2221
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:30,719
Speaker 2: makes no sense.

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01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 5: You know.

2223
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 2: I like Zach Robinson. I think he's a bright guy.

2224
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 2: He does Oklahoma state head coach. He does a lot

2225
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 2: of creative things. He does a lot of bells and

2226
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:41,759
Speaker 2: whistles that I can clip and put on social media

2227
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 2: and say, oh, look at this, this is cool. It

2228
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 2: doesn't lead to anything. It doesn't lead to any production.

2229
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm ranting on the Falcons offense. It just

2230
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:54,000
Speaker 2: annoys me. It annoys me when you have talent and

2231
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:59,800
Speaker 2: you do nothing but frustrates me defensively, really quickly, because

2232
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 2: we have two minutes. It's good defense. Don't sleep on

2233
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:06,719
Speaker 2: this defense. Tenth and Dvoa pas number one pass defense

2234
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:09,599
Speaker 2: in football in terms of yards allowed, Number two pass

2235
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 2: defense in football in terms of explosive plays allowed. So

2236
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:15,559
Speaker 2: they don't give up very many big plays. They don't

2237
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:17,360
Speaker 2: give up a lot of yards in the passing game.

2238
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 1: It's a strength on strength matters yards in the game.

2239
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:23,719
Speaker 2: This year, yeah, it's a big time strength on strength.

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Speaker 2: Like the most explosive or second most explosive passing offense

2241
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 2: in the league with the Patriots against the second most

2242
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 2: at least explosive pass defense in the in football. I

2243
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:38,320
Speaker 2: really loved watching their defense and what they do schematically,

2244
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:43,560
Speaker 2: it's basically Robert Sala's Seattle three. Uh, you know, interpretation,

2245
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 2: a lot of Cover three, a lot of quarters, but

2246
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:49,840
Speaker 2: then on third down and pass in obvious passing situations

2247
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 2: all and I tried to find the the link. I can't.

2248
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:58,759
Speaker 2: They just like run a Brian Flores Cover zero package

2249
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:01,479
Speaker 2: just out of nowhere on like third and eight. It's crazy.

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01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:03,680
Speaker 2: I don't know who learned it. I don't know where

2251
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 2: it's coming from. I don't know if they just copied

2252
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,479
Speaker 2: it based off of studying it in the offseason. I

2253
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:12,280
Speaker 2: can't find a connection between the two coaching staffs. But

2254
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 2: they're running a lot of fire zone zone pressure on

2255
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:19,320
Speaker 2: third down where they're dropping five or six guys into coverage,

2256
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:21,479
Speaker 2: but instead of playing man to man, they're playing zone.

2257
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:24,560
Speaker 2: Out of those looks, I want nothing to do with

2258
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 2: that third down pressure package. Isn't an early down game

2259
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:30,639
Speaker 2: for the Patriots offense. You can run the ball in Atlanta.

2260
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 2: That's their one wee weakness. Defensively. They're twenty fourth or

2261
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:37,880
Speaker 2: twentieth somewhere around there in the league in rush EPA.

2262
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 2: They're giving up a lot of yards to gap runs,

2263
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 2: you know, downhill power, crack tosses, counter scheme, lead duo,

2264
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:48,439
Speaker 2: all that good stuff. So you can run the ball

2265
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:51,160
Speaker 2: on them that maybe can sequence some play action off

2266
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:53,519
Speaker 2: the run. But the biggest thing I would say with

2267
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:56,040
Speaker 2: this pass defense, this is a good pass defense, Like,

2268
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 2: you don't want to necessarily get into a lot of

2269
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:02,720
Speaker 2: third and long against this Falcons team. A scheme up

2270
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:05,000
Speaker 2: pressure at a really high level. Dude A Sky's coverage

2271
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 2: at a really high level, it's fun watch this week.

2272
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:10,320
Speaker 2: As frustrated as I was watching their offense, I was

2273
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 2: intrigued by their defense.

2274
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:14,120
Speaker 1: I will say they can be run on a little bit.

2275
01:50:14,479 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 1: So there is that if they can get the run

2276
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:21,120
Speaker 1: game going again. The one other split that's important, massive,

2277
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:24,679
Speaker 1: massive indoor outdoor split for this Falcons team.

2278
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:27,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, they went to the shitter last week, but yeah

2279
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:31,479
Speaker 2: that was without Pennix. No, they've been bad outside. They've

2280
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:31,840
Speaker 2: been good in.

2281
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:32,040
Speaker 4: No.

2282
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:34,240
Speaker 2: So they played at home last week? What they played

2283
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:36,960
Speaker 2: at home last week? Oh they did played home last week? Yeah,

2284
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:38,400
Speaker 2: well they still been good out. You can make it

2285
01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:40,920
Speaker 2: work without Penix, like with and without Penix, within.

2286
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:44,360
Speaker 1: Without pen Yeah, they have not been a good outdoor team.

2287
01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:46,559
Speaker 1: Their one good road game was indoors.

2288
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:48,160
Speaker 2: All right, we got to wrap it up. I wish

2289
01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:50,679
Speaker 2: we had more time to vent about the Falcons offense,

2290
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:53,719
Speaker 2: but we don't. We'll be back next week talk about

2291
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 2: this Falcons game, talk about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That's

2292
01:50:56,920 --> 01:50:58,320
Speaker 2: going to be a fun game too. So it's a

2293
01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 2: little two game, a little bit of better competition here

2294
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:04,720
Speaker 2: for the Patriots over the next couple of weeks. But

2295
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:07,640
Speaker 2: you will be live at noon. I'll see you guys then,

2296
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:09,280
Speaker 2: and we'll see you guys next week here on Cash

2297
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:15,120
Speaker 2: Pay two. Hey, this is Alex. Thanks for tuning into

2298
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:16,960
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Speaker 2: Thanks a lot,