1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: build you from the inside out. 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: Now Here's Jay Glacier. 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth Podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: Jay Glazer, and I'm pumped about today's guests because he's 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: gonna be working with me this week covering the NFL Draft. 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: Good friend of mine, Joe Douglas, former general manager of 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: the New York Jets, and you know, the Jets was 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: one experience. 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 3: Working with me on the draft. That might be your 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 3: most challenging mission yet. 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: I cannot wait. I am really looking forward to Thursday night. 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 4: It's going to be a good time talking ball, talking players, 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 4: talking draft. 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: Look and I love having you guys on because you 16 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: guys give us an insight. It's so funny that I've 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: had some good insight, Like I've sat in draft rooms, 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: which by the way, are not ADHD Conducer. And you know, shoot, 19 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: I sat in the Saints draft room. Oh man, what 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: years it's maybe two thousand one or something like that. 21 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: Two thousand when the rounds were what was the first 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: round back in fifteen minutes? Right? Yeah, they went a while, 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: they went a while, right, and you had three rounds 24 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: of the first day, right, it was brutal, But I 25 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: always look and I obviously a lot of you guys 26 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: are have good insign info. I was find it funny 27 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: when prognownst Sicarus, if you will come out in like 28 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: February and tell people all this team has this kuy 29 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: on the top of their birth that you guys don't 30 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: set your boards until. I know every team is different, 31 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: but your board's really not set till this week. 32 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 4: Right, I mean it's not set until the day of 33 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 4: the draft, sometimes a few hours for the draft. I 34 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 4: mean you're constantly and we used to say the scouts 35 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 4: all the time. Just because the meetings were over doesn't 36 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 4: mean you know you're not still on job for this draft. 37 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 4: We're constantly trying to acquire download as much information as 38 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 4: humanly possible on every single player in your area, in 39 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 4: your in your position group. So I mean, the the 40 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 4: boards never set until until that night. 41 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: So the night before you're saying with or before the drift. 42 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 4: Neither draft, you're literally you're going through all these different scenarios. 43 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 4: I mean, the bulk of it's taking shape during that 44 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 4: last round of meetings with the coaching staff and when 45 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 4: the coaching staff brings in all their opinions, brings in 46 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 4: all their the work that they've done. 47 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: You know that's starting to solidify. 48 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 4: But really, I mean that that pick in the first 49 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 4: round exactly what's going through all the different scenarios you're 50 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 4: working through. I mean you're working, You're working on that 51 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 4: all the way up until like a few hours before 52 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 4: the craft. 53 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: I find it amazing. I'll never forget. 54 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: The cowboys called me many many, many many years ago. 55 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: They were set to pick Sean Merriman with the I'm 56 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: gonna say it's the eighth pick or tenth pick. I 57 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: forget what it was. 58 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 3: Damn. All of a sudden they called me up, said, hey, 59 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 3: we found out some stuff about Merriment news maryln can 60 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 3: you find it? Can you find out? 61 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: Is the day before the draft, and I'd found out, 62 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: and you know, they had found out also in the 63 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: morning of the calling back said hey, comfortable with what 64 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: we heard, we're going to. 65 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: Change what we're doing. 66 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean if you're comfortable to said, 67 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: we're comfortable, ish, we're gonna change. 68 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 3: So that is Sean Meherman like they thought they want him. 69 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: Let's you know again, we're it really comes to play, 70 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: you know, ship a couple of weeks before that morning 71 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: of they changed from him to DeMarcus Worth the morning of, right, 72 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: And people don't understand things like that happen on draft. 73 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 4: Dack absolutely absolutely. I think you've seen a couple of 74 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 4: cases of that happened. I mean I can remember back 75 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 4: back my one draft with the Bears. You know, when, uh, 76 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 4: some things happen that you're not expect expecting to happen. 77 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: There's videos that come out that you're not. 78 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 4: Really expected to happen, in offensive tackle falls and si, yeah, 79 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 4: the tunsil. 80 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: Uh. 81 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 4: And then I remember even when I was with the Ravens, 82 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 4: you know, there's some crazy reports about like l Collins 83 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 4: and like he he should have been a first or 84 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 4: second round draft picks. 85 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, and so like you know, it's just you. 86 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: Got to be ready for anything, you know, and like 87 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 4: you think you've got all the answers, but a lot 88 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 4: of times you don't. 89 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: I got a call a couple of years ago from 90 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: these teams that are saying, hey man, we're pulling this 91 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: guy off our board because he got pot for meth. 92 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: And I said, read me what it was, and they 93 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: read it and I'm like, it's not meth. What you 94 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 1: teams don't understand is a lot of these generic forms 95 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: of adderall have met in the title. I'm like, it's 96 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: not meth. 97 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 3: This is adderall. 98 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: Make sure you don't spread that around because that's two 99 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: totally different things. 100 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 4: Right, absolutely, absolutely, Like you know, a lot of teams 101 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 4: lean on their security staff, you know, you know, if 102 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 4: they got a big dom in the house or something 103 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 4: like that, they're leaning on on that for you for 104 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,239 Speaker 4: all the information on tests and things that come coming 105 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 4: through like that. So yeah, but oftentimes you're taking that 106 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 4: information right to the doctors and just making sure that 107 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 4: it's not something that's crazy. 108 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: Look, I don't do a mock draft because when you 109 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: guys tell me, hey, Glaze, we're doing this, you can't 110 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: say anything right until you're on the until we're you know, 111 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: draft night around the clock, you can't say anything. So 112 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to the fans and put something 113 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: else at when I know it's not gonna happen. 114 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 3: And the same right, you know, I live in this 115 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: world of trust. 116 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of you guys called me 117 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: in the past and go, hey, we're like there was 118 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: a team years ago asked me about man, we want 119 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: one of these two top corners. I said, can't do it. 120 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: You got to move up five spots. I don't think 121 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: you have the capitol. I could put you on the 122 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: phone with a team and see if you can get 123 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: this done. But otherwise, who's your third guy? And they 124 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: told me I said, okay, you could drop down around 125 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: five because I don't have anybody. 126 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 3: Liking him before that. So all good things like that, 127 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 3: you know. 128 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: But as a result, when I'm on Fox Sports Radio, 129 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: I already know a lot of what's going to go 130 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: on going into it. That's why I think we're the 131 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: most excessive you know, draft show you could you could 132 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: watch now having you out absolutely tell me again, tell 133 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: me the process going in for you guys of let's 134 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: say this last couple of weeks here you're saying you're 135 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: meeting with the coach. Tell me your process and how 136 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: you how you put your you're born up and what 137 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: those conversations are like. 138 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, so our process, I mean obviously it starts in May, 139 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 4: right right after the draft. The guys are starting to 140 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: work on next year's draft class. And really we have 141 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 4: our first group of meetings of putting the initial board 142 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 4: together in December once the college seasons played out, and 143 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 4: probably right before the playoffs are starting, and now in 144 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 4: today's format college schedule, and we're really just kind of 145 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 4: getting with the scouts. Who's your top thirty guys, Like 146 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 4: who are the guys. 147 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: You're excited about? 148 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 4: Like who would you be most excited to be a 149 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 4: Raven or an Eagle or a Jet? 150 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 2: Like who fires you up? 151 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 4: So you're going over those guys in December and that 152 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 4: kind of gets you going, kind of kind of gets 153 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 4: you started in the process. And then All Star Games, 154 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl East West, all the guys are hitting 155 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 4: those and just kind of trying to fill in some 156 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 4: puzzle pieces to each player. A Senior Bowl is usually 157 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 4: a big week, but really you get back together as 158 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 4: a group right before Combine, so that that week before 159 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 4: the combine is when we get together and really start 160 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 4: hammering out are what our front board is going to 161 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 4: look like. And then we hit the We hit the combine, 162 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 4: hit the pro days, and now you bring the coaches 163 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 4: in usually that first first, uh, first or second week 164 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 4: of April, and they've they've been on the road, they've 165 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 4: been doing the private workouts, interviews with the players, saw 166 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 4: them at the combine. They've they're really they're really locked 167 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 4: into their position group who they love, and that's when 168 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 4: the scouts and the coaches really come together. And kind 169 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 4: of that's kind of the magic of it is when 170 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 4: when when you find when you find guys that the 171 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 4: scouts and the coaches are all fired up about, that 172 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 4: kind of makes your job a little easier as a 173 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 4: general manager. 174 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: You told me something the other that I didn't realize 175 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: reading your your reports out loud. 176 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: Repeat that. 177 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 4: I mean, I probably picked that up from being fifteen 178 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 4: years with Ozzie and Hall of Fame player, hall of 179 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 4: Fame personnel, executive, Hall of Fame person you know. And 180 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 4: so been fifteen years of Ozzie watching how he operated 181 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 4: the meetings, you know, and as he never read his report. 182 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 4: Ozzie never wanted to really sway the room one way 183 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 4: or the other, you know. He wanted it to be 184 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 4: as organic as possible in terms of how God has 185 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 4: felt about a player. He didn't he didn't want his 186 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,119 Speaker 4: opinions swaying anything. We really wanted to avoid a group 187 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 4: thing phenomenon. So I kind of carried that over when 188 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 4: when I had the opportunity to start running draft meetings. 189 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: And so I never really read my reports. 190 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: And you know, you may read them out loud to 191 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: the room, right if somebody doesn't trying to suck up 192 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: to the boss and change their grade. 193 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, or someone just yeah, a younger scout that may 194 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 4: not have as much conviction or may not you know, 195 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 4: have as much confidence in his ability, like well, well, 196 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 4: you know I'm gonna I'm gonna go the side of 197 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 4: the GM or like I'm going to change them up. 198 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 4: And that's the exact opposite of what we're looking for. 199 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 4: You know, we want your conviction. You're the one that's 200 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: done in the work as a scout, like you know 201 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 4: this player better than anybody, Like we want like you 202 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 4: you have to you have to be strong in what 203 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 4: you think. So you know, as a leader, you don't 204 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 4: wanna you don't want to sway that person one way 205 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 4: or the other. So you know, I went years without 206 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 4: reading any of my reports. So you know, it stacks 207 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 4: because I love writing reports. I love I love I 208 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 4: love painting the picture on what I think a player 209 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 4: is and how I think a player can help a team. 210 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's uh, it's the essence of what we do. 211 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 4: Man, It's just it's just describing capturing a director or 212 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 4: a GM, a coach's attention in a minute and thirty 213 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 4: seconds to paint the picture of exactly who this, what 214 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 4: this player is, what he's all about, how he's gonna 215 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 4: help the team, where he fits on the depth chart, 216 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 4: if I'm excited, if I can't warm up to him, 217 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,119 Speaker 4: Like that's that's the real beauty of scouting. 218 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 3: When you go around the room. Is there a time 219 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 3: limit on guys or it's like. 220 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: No, no, we don't put a time limit. We don't 221 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 4: put a time limit. I put that limit in my 222 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 4: own head because probably I'm I'm adhd so like you know, 223 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 4: I you know, with someone's long winded, someone's talking about 224 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 4: reading their report and it's five minutes, and guys are 225 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 4: like fading out, Like you're trying to avoid that, Like 226 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 4: we're trying to we're trying to capture. We're trying to 227 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 4: capture the GM and the and the head coach and 228 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 4: the owner if he's in the room, and like this 229 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 4: is what this guy can do for us, Like this 230 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 4: is a guy that's gonna come in here and help 231 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 4: us win games. And I want you to know exactly 232 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 4: how I feel about that. 233 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: Guy when you got her going to games, college games, 234 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: cout these guys. What can you get? I never knew this, 235 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: and I don't I've never asked a question. What can 236 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: you get by being there? Because you just up in 237 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: the press box, are in a stand that you couldn't 238 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: just get on the TV cop. 239 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, press box. The press box is just where you 240 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 4: sit to watch the game. I think I think you 241 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 4: get the most. I mean when a players on the 242 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 4: field and you're in the press box, I mean you 243 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: can get that and more watching the tape. But but 244 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 4: you're there for all the things that you can't see 245 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 4: on television or you can't see on the tape. I 246 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 4: want to see a guy. I want to see a 247 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: guy warm up. I want to stand on the side. 248 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 4: I want to get a feel for his I want 249 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 4: to I want to be right next to him. 250 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I. 251 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 4: Want to feel how big he like? I want to 252 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 4: see how big he is? Like, all right, how's this 253 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 4: guy put together? Like? 254 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: Can I can remember? 255 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 4: Like, here's a story, like I was at a Mississippi 256 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 4: State Auburn Thursday night game at Mississippi State and Auburn 257 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 4: that was a year. 258 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: Auburn won the national championship, so they had like nineteen seniors. 259 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 2: Mississippi State had a bunch of seniors. So I've got 260 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 2: my back to Auburn and. 261 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 4: I am I am writing notes on Mississippi State seniors 262 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 4: and all I hear for like two and a half 263 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: minutes is stoo. And I look back and I'm like, 264 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 4: why is this defensive end throwing the football? 265 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: And it's Cam Newton. 266 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 4: Like you could hear like I say that because you 267 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 4: could hear the ball jump out of his hands and 268 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 4: when it hit a receiver bad, Like, it just sounded different. 269 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 2: It looked and sounded different. 270 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 4: So like, those are things you can't like you can't 271 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 4: see from the television or tape. You can see how 272 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 4: a guy interacts with his teammates on the tape. That's 273 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 4: not the sideline. You're not getting the sideline, you know. 274 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 4: I think TV's a lot better now capturing sideline interactions. 275 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: With players and coaches. 276 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 4: But you didn't necessarily get that all the time, and 277 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 4: you're looking for all you're looking at all of that 278 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 4: at a game when you're watching the player interact with teammates, 279 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 4: interact with coaches. How seriously, is he how mature? Is 280 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 4: he like is you know, does he carry himself like 281 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 4: an alpha? Is this guy a dog? Like you're looking 282 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 4: at all those those things that you wouldn't otherwise see 283 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 4: on television or tape. 284 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 3: Give me some trade stories of trades it almost happened 285 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: but didn't. 286 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, trades, it almost happened. 287 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like there's been a lot of like, uh, 288 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 4: I made like thirty twenty calls trying to trade up 289 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 4: and get your mate. So a bunch of those didn't 290 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 4: didn't happen obviously, but we were able to get a 291 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 4: trade done with Tennessee to get Jermaine Johnson. I think 292 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 4: it's just a lot of my memories of the almost 293 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 4: or what could have been. I mean, you're there's so 294 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 4: much information coming at you during the draft and so 295 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 4: when you get locked in, like I talk about the 296 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 4: Jermaine trade, uh, just because that for me, that was 297 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,599 Speaker 4: like that was like a really fun hour and a 298 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 4: half for me because we had we had picked we 299 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 4: had pick Sauce three, we had picked Garrett ten, and 300 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 4: I think after like the twelfth or thirteenth pick, you know, 301 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 4: Roberts like, hey, let's let's get Jrmine he's in our 302 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 4: top ten, Like, let's let's go get him, Like, yeah, 303 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 4: let's do it. 304 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 2: So you know, you're on the call. You're on the 305 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 2: phone from. 306 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 4: Basically pick thirteen to pick twenty six trying to get 307 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 4: done and you're you're trying to get. 308 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: Every pick is like here's where you go. 309 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 4: He's going right here, like we're missing out on him, 310 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 4: and uh, it's still lost. So you're just smiling and 311 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 4: dialing for two hours, you're just trying to like smile 312 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 4: and down man work the phone, was trying to get 313 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 4: a deal done and just the jubilee, like it felt 314 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 4: like ten hours because you're just talking, You're just calling 315 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 4: all these people. But they finally get that deal done 316 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 4: and get someone that everybody was excited about, you know, 317 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 4: and and I'm fired up for him. I know he 318 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 4: just got to fit your option picked up. But that 319 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 4: was just announced. So like to get a guy that 320 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 4: like loves football, which the main love football plays plays 321 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 4: so hard, place physical and just knowing like yeah, man, 322 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 4: like we worked really hard to get a really good player, 323 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 4: you know, and so that was fun. 324 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: You already, I know a lot of guys have great relationships. 325 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: You messed with each other, and I just remember being 326 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: in that Saints draft room and Bruce Allen calling and 327 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: trying to trade talk to them about trading up. The 328 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: Saints at that point, I think they had two first 329 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: rounders and they moved up to like number six. Forget 330 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: what it was or whatever was if I remember Bruce 331 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: Allen calling. 332 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: I'm saying that. 333 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: Bruce like like, what are you calling for? You don't 334 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: want to trade up for this pick? He's like, actually don't. 335 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm just really bored right now. You get some of 336 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: those calls too, you know what your what's you're fun you? 337 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: Which I always loved. I loved uh. 338 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 4: I love John Dorsey because like, uh yo, he would 339 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 4: be the he's the best because he like four oh one. 340 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 4: On the trade deadline, he'll call and be like, hey, 341 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 4: I'll give you three first. 342 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: For that player. Hey, you're you're on the clock. 343 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 4: And I know, I know boalers talk about four because 344 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 4: him he worked together. But you're on the clock and 345 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 4: and Dors will call you and just be like we 346 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 4: doing We think like I'm working man, like you shoot, 347 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 4: all right, where are. 348 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: You gonna go here? 349 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 4: But it's so fun. I just that that stuff just 350 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 4: cracks me up. Man, cracks me up. He's the best. 351 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: Now, I know a lot of you know, you get 352 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: all your grades done and then you have the instrumental 353 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: hurdle of talking to your owner about it. You're a 354 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: former owner, is a known meddler, whatdy Johnson. But everyone 355 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: has to deal with this differently. When would you bring 356 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: the owner into what your thought process was and how 357 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: is that tightrope to convince them what you want. 358 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: To do instead of him? 359 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: Too many owners, I've said this to many owners like 360 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: you guys again, you've been scouting dress since Man. Also, 361 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: they want to come in the last couple of days 362 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: and tell you what you should draft, which makes no sense. 363 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 3: But talk about how you bring them in and how 364 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 3: difficult that is. 365 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well, for me, those those conversations happened 366 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 4: really towards the end of the season, right after the season. 367 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 4: You know, we would we present our off season plan, 368 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 4: we'd present our free agent plan first and then we'd 369 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 4: go into our draft plan. But really, I mean, those 370 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 4: conversations are happening towards the end of season leading into 371 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 4: the All Star Game. Combine, you know you're having those conversations, 372 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 4: you're you're just relaying, you know, who the scouts are 373 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 4: excited about, who you're excited about, and then as the 374 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 4: coaches information comes in, you know, and you're just you're 375 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 4: just constantly providing information on really who the guy, who 376 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 4: the players, who the coaches and scouts, and who I'm 377 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 4: excited about, and who I think can help the team, 378 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 4: and you know, just uh and obviously you know, getting 379 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 4: that getting the owner's opinion to and and talking through 380 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 4: any questions or concerns that he may have on any 381 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 4: particular player. But you know, for me, those conversations happened 382 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 4: early and often in the offseason, so you're trying, you're 383 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 4: trying to just do your best best you can just 384 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 4: to communicate in a real and honest way who who 385 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 4: the players are that are that are garnering the most 386 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 4: excitement in the group. 387 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: Well, was there like a final like all right, one 388 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: last being in, Hey, this is our plan? 389 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 3: Those would be like this is what we're doing. 390 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah for for me. 391 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 4: For me, I'm sure everyone does it differently, but for me, 392 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 4: that was the that was the day of the the 393 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 4: day of the draft. Wow, that that morning of the 394 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 4: draft where I would literally have every scenario on paper, 395 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 4: basically a map for for ownership to follow, Like, Okay, 396 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 4: these these are the players if if this player gets 397 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 4: to pick five or six, Like, these are the four 398 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 4: players that we would trade up for if they're there. Okay, 399 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 4: if they're gone, we're gonna stay put. And if these 400 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 4: five players are here, we're gonna we're gonna be really 401 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 4: happy to turn the card in. All right now, if 402 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 4: those players are gone, this group of players, we're gonna 403 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 4: be happy to turn the card into. But we're gonna 404 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 4: field calls on on a trade back situation. You know, 405 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 4: so you're you're basically like I would just essentially here, 406 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 4: here is the roadmap for tonight, Like this is exactly 407 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 4: what you can expect, Like how exactly how you think 408 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 4: it's gonna go down? And who you know, if these 409 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 4: guys are here, we're gonna be aggressive. These guys aren't. 410 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 4: We're gonna let the board come to us. And then 411 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 4: if these guys, these guys are here, like, let's let's start, 412 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 4: let's start. 413 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: Talking trade back. 414 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 3: I heard you tell me this. 415 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: I was told that he wanted here, he took sauce, 416 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: he wanted multiple receivers instead of sauce. 417 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 3: So what is that a yes or no? And B 418 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 3: how is that conversation of trying to convince them. 419 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: Know, this is what we're doing. 420 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 4: You know, I think it's no different than the conversation 421 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 4: you'd have with the coach that was that that kind 422 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 4: of saw things differently. But I mean, ultimately, you know, 423 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 4: wide receiver is a premium position. You know, I feel 424 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 4: like the pre all the premium positions affect the pass game, 425 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 4: right quarterback, wide receiver, offensive tackle, pass rusher, and corner, 426 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 4: and so you know, ultimately it's it's another opportunity to 427 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 4: get a premium, premium position and sauce premium premium corner 428 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 4: and premium person, you know, and we are definitely going 429 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 4: to get that premium wide receiver as well. And we 430 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 4: were very we were very fortunate, I mean to be 431 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 4: honest that Garrett was there when we picked you, because 432 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 4: I mean, this also wasn't the first corner taken and 433 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 4: Garrett wasn't the first wide receiver takens. So we were 434 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 4: very fortunate to get both those guys. So I feel 435 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 4: like we came out of that process with two premium 436 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 4: players or premium positions that are quality, quality people and 437 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 4: quality players. 438 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: Did he ever veto a pick for you? 439 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 4: No, no, no, never never vetoed a pick, you know. 440 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 4: I mean, look, I feel like there was there was 441 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 4: always constant communication and you know, I feel like when 442 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 4: it when it came down to it, we were all 443 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 4: on the same page about who we're going to take. 444 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: Give me some of the cooler stories when you either 445 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: gotten on the phone, are you gonna draft a kid 446 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: orhen you first met him, like after you drafted him. 447 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 4: Oh, man, I tell you, the first time I met 448 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 4: Olu last year was just a great, a great experience. Forshana, 449 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 4: who was who had picked at number of number eleven. 450 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 4: He's just an awesome, awesome guy, you know, just a 451 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,719 Speaker 4: blue collar mindset, great family, great person. 452 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 2: You know. 453 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 4: I feel like you can say that about a lot 454 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 4: of the guys that we took high. 455 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 2: Like the cool There's been some good phone calls. 456 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 4: Uh, you know, when you're when you're on a call 457 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 4: and the emotions are going, you know, and the tears 458 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 4: are flowing. You can hear the guys crying, you know, 459 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 4: and the family is going berserk in the background. 460 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 2: Just just to just to experience that, just to just to. 461 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 4: Kind of be with them on that that moment, that 462 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 4: milestone moment in their life and just realizing like all. 463 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 2: The hard work that they put in, all the family support. 464 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 4: That they've gotten, just like, I don't know, it's not 465 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 4: the end, this is this is just a checkpoint for them, 466 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 4: but it's a huge milestone. And not many people on 467 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 4: the planet can say they've been drafted by an NFL team. 468 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 4: But just when that emotion hits them and you know, 469 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 4: they're cracking up and they're crying, like that's a that's 470 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 4: a wild moment, and you feel like very grateful to 471 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 4: be able to just be a part of that, to 472 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 4: share that share that moment with them and their families. 473 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 3: It's try. 474 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: I've trained a lot of kids coming out into the 475 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: draft and unbreakable and a couple of things I tell 476 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: them things they didn't realize, you know. One of them was, 477 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, they thought, oh, they're cannet draft or they're 478 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: gonna have draft parties, and like, are you going to 479 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: that team? Like now, there's no draft parties after you 480 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: go into the team, and they're like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 481 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: you're going that night, dude, there's no draft parties and 482 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: hanging out and seeing family it's the next that night, 483 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: and I don't think they realize that, right. 484 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 485 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 4: Look, it's like when you win a game, you celebrate it, 486 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 4: You celebrate it for a little bit, and then it's on. 487 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 4: You know, You're you're going on. Like this is almost 488 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 4: like that. I mean, it's a bigger mouse. It's more 489 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 4: important than just one game. But but like this is 490 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 4: just a step, This is just a checkpoint in your career. Like, yeah, 491 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 4: celebrate this with your family and the loved ones everyone 492 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 4: you hold deer and tied to you. But like it's 493 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 4: go time now, Like this is this is just starting, 494 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 4: you know, and the expectations are that you you are 495 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 4: going to roll and you're gonna come here and hit 496 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 4: the ground running and be and be the dude that 497 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 4: we all think you're going to be. 498 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: And the other one, I was telling them I was 499 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: with another team. They're like, hey, I was with them 500 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 1: and I picked up a draft pick with them just 501 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: for experience from the airport. Run them back the facility, 502 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: and the dude looks at me and like that first 503 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: day you get there, you guys, these guys feel out 504 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: like tax forms and none of these guys have that 505 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: life skill of life experience and the. 506 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 3: Guy looks at me, had to fill out this tax 507 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 3: form and I'm like, fuck, don't look at me, but 508 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 3: it's right. 509 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: But I'm telling these guys we get ready for the 510 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: comment or for the draft, be ready. 511 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 3: This is the type of stit you have to be 512 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 3: ready for. You got to find out from your guys. 513 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 2: Like that's a. 514 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: Pretty wild thing, Like like what's their process when they 515 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: get to that team? 516 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 3: The different stuff that you put them through. 517 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they've come on one of our pre 518 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 4: draft visits, because you get thirty pre draft visits each year. 519 00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 4: I mean we pretty much put them through the ring 520 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 4: of what their day is gonna look like at a 521 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 4: heightened level, like there's a touch point with every single department, 522 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 4: football ops. We put them through mock interviews, uh, press interviews, 523 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 4: like we hit We've hit them with player engagement, Like 524 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 4: they spend a lot of time with player engagement. 525 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 2: To go through a lot of what you just just. 526 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 4: Describe the financials and like where you're gonna live, like 527 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 4: getting you set up in a new town. 528 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 2: You know. 529 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 4: Uh So, like if they've come on a pre draft visit, 530 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 4: they they kind of know what to expect. But if 531 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 4: not like, well, then they're just getting they're just getting 532 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 4: a length lengthier version of our our pre draft. Is 533 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 4: it like you you come here, you're going through the washer, right, 534 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 4: You're gonna hit equipment and and uh medical training, uh 535 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 4: football engagement, Like you know, the first thing they're gonna 536 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 4: do is they're gonna spend a lot of time with 537 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 4: with player engagement, just to make sure that they get 538 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 4: set up with everything they need in this new environment. 539 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think about that. 540 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: Also, yeah, you moved, you got you go find a 541 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: home and find a car and find Yeah, it's just yeah, yeah, 542 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: and I think the real the outside world doesn't realize that. 543 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: And they're also like they're twenty one years old, Like 544 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know shit when I was twenty one. 545 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 3: I don't know how to do this stuff, you know. 546 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: And yeah, so who's coming with you? You know? 547 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 4: Are you coming by yourself or is your is your 548 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 4: mom coming to your dad? Coming girlfriend? Or we know, 549 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 4: like who's coming with you? Because we it's really like 550 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 4: we were not just draft We never thought it was 551 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 4: we're just drafting the player. We're drafting that entire person's ecosystem, 552 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 4: you know that, Like that's how we we we think 553 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 4: about it. That's why we put so much work and 554 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 4: effort into to to try to find out what this 555 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 4: person's all about. So you know, we're trying. It's a 556 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 4: full on education for the player on what to expect here, 557 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 4: How can we help you? This is what you can 558 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 4: expect from a living standpoint, car taxes, Like we our 559 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 4: engagement team did a good job with attacking that. 560 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 3: Two more questions for it. 561 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: One, who's the most impressive kid you ever interviewed that 562 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: you didn't draft? 563 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 4: Man? I didn't interview my set in. I was a 564 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 4: personnel assistant back in Baltimore. 565 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 5: But it was a Kwam Bolden and it was at 566 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 5: the combine and he just was he was everything. 567 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 2: He was everything. 568 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 4: He was such and he ended up being perfect fit 569 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 4: for the Ravens and helped helped us win a Super 570 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 4: Bowl in twenty twelve. But when he walked out, it 571 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 4: was like, oh damn, like this guy, this guy is 572 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 4: ray Lewis as a wide receiver. Like this guy is 573 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 4: an absolute just tough as nails, badass. You know, It's 574 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 4: just like he was serious, but it was a man 575 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 4: a few words, but everything was everything was all ball 576 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 4: and like imposing imposing my will on other people and 577 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 4: all the stuff that just kind of makes your hair 578 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 4: stand on end. And he walked out of a room 579 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 4: and everybody's like, oh, yeah, man, that guy's are raven 580 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 4: for sure, Like that is a bad dude, you know, Like, 581 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 4: and we didn't we didn't draft him. He went second round. 582 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 4: He didn't run, he didn't run a great forty. But 583 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 4: that's one of the better wide receivers of that era. 584 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 4: And it was just because of what he was all 585 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 4: about as a as a dude, and as a competitor 586 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 4: and as a tough guy. And you know, when we 587 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 4: had the opportunity to trade for him and Ozzie had 588 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 4: the opportunity to trade for him, like that really solidified 589 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 4: the team. 590 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 3: He's like a dude from three hundred playing football. 591 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's right right, Like that is a guy like 592 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 4: you know, describe it and scouting like dark alley guy, 593 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 4: foxhole guy. Right, those are the guy like who do 594 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 4: I want next to me in in a dogfight? Like 595 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 4: yeah that like Inmolden, Yeah, that's your guy, you know. 596 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 4: And there's there's there's always a good group of those 597 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 4: guys in every draft. But like you know, just try 598 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 4: to surround your show as many those guys as possible. 599 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 3: I love it well, Joe d Man, I cannot tell 600 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,479 Speaker 3: you how excited I am man to do this with 601 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 3: you this week. It's gonna be awesome. 602 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: Dude. 603 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 3: I go one more question for you. I leave this 604 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 3: with all my guests. 605 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: I know we haven't talked this way in this podcast, 606 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: but and ask everybody. 607 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 3: For the unbreakable moment we could all learn from those things. 608 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: Give me the moment in life, career, whatever it is 609 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: it could have broken you shouldn't but didn't. 610 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 3: As a result, you came through the other side of 611 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 3: the tunnel stronger forever. 612 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean i'd go I probably have one for 613 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 4: each life and career life probably just you know, being 614 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 4: the kid that was constantly picked on and for a size, 615 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 4: you know, because I mean I haven't grown an inch 616 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 4: since eighth grade, you know, so like I was always 617 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 4: I was always a big. 618 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: Kid, and I was a target for a lot of 619 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 2: older kids bullying. 620 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 4: But football, football was the place I felt normal, you know, 621 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 4: where I felt okay, I belong. So I football saved 622 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 4: my life in many ways, not so much from I mean, 623 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 4: just from making me feel like this is a place 624 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 4: where I belong, where I feel like I belong, but 625 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 4: also the teamwork discipline that it instills in you, you know, 626 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 4: working for more than just yourself, you know, work working 627 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 4: as a unit to achieve greatness. 628 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: Like so many, so many. 629 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 4: Things about football have changed my life, you know, you know, 630 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 4: and obviously you know, this was the first time I've 631 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 4: ever been fired from a job this past November, so 632 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 4: it's certainly not going to break me. You know, I've uh, 633 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 4: you know, you do, you do, I know, we had 634 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,239 Speaker 4: a conversation. You you kind of sit, you sit in 635 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 4: the in the craft for a little bit and you 636 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 4: just kind of go through everything that didn't work out, 637 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 4: what you could have changed, what you could have done differently, 638 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 4: and you got to come come out on the other side, energize, 639 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 4: ready to go. And then what makes me very previously 640 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 4: that this Thursday night, we can we can get together 641 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 4: and talk about the draft, not letting the draft class 642 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 4: go without knowing who the these guys are, and we 643 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 4: can you know, we I've watched all these guys and 644 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 4: you know, we can we can talk about each of 645 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 4: them as they come through the board, and then you 646 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 4: know what's next after after that, Like you know, I 647 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 4: feel good about about the opportunities that are out there, 648 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 4: and you know, you're you're really re energized into into 649 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 4: into knowing, like yeah, man, I am, I am that 650 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 4: guy that can that can help help a team win 651 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 4: a championship. Still, so like, yeah, I'd say those two 652 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 4: things for sure. 653 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 3: Love it man. 654 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: Well again, Jod's with me and Jenny Taft and LeVar 655 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: Arrington on Fox Sports Radio on Thursday night for the Draft. 656 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I I love these kind of talks because 657 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, obviously the drafts gets more attention now than 658 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: ever has, but people don't really know the inside and 659 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: have somebody like you to be able to pull back 660 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: that curtain a little bit and show the fans this 661 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: is what happens when you're on the clock, this is 662 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: what you're looking for for these certain guys, this is 663 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: what comes up on these pre draft meetings. 664 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 3: It's invaluable. 665 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 2: I appreciate you, brother, Yeah, man, I'm gonna have fun. 666 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: Thank you, Joe Douglas, thanks for being our guest and 667 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: The Unbreakable Podcast