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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. I'm Hannah Elliott and

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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller.

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Speaker 2: This is Hot Pursuit. Coming up on today's podcast, we

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Speaker 2: talk with Tesla's chief designer, friends vun Holtz Howsen.

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Speaker 1: This is a very well timed conversation. I do have

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Speaker 1: to say, Matt, yes, he has been in the.

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Speaker 2: News because they have been in the news, and he

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Speaker 2: addresses the stories on the Bloomberg about door handles, but

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Speaker 2: also talks about designing what I really consider to be

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Speaker 2: a timeless vehicle, the model S.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you pointed out during our conversation that

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Speaker 1: it's been around for fifteen years now, my first thought

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Speaker 1: is time flies, and that's insane. But also you're kind

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Speaker 1: of right. I mean, this is one of the few

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Speaker 1: vehicles that really hasn't had basically any noticeable updates aesthetically

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Speaker 1: since then, and it it fits right in I mean,

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Speaker 1: I obviously I see him all over here in La.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to talk about our viewer emails, because

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Speaker 2: we get a lot of emails from viewers that have

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Speaker 2: the same complaint about.

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Speaker 1: Me, which we will discuss. I've got thoughts on that.

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Speaker 2: We'll go over it over, and we do want you

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Speaker 2: to write to us. Remember our email address is hot

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Speaker 2: Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net. So first, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: what we've been driving and what we've been doing over

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Speaker 2: the past week. I have had the opportunity to get

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Speaker 2: off of my Harley Davidson and get back on a Dukati.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've had wow long history with Ducatti. I've

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Speaker 2: had fifteen of them, including the original Xdavels, which was

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Speaker 2: like their first attempt at a feet forward cruiser. But

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Speaker 2: since May, since I picked up my Harley Davidson Fat Bob,

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Speaker 2: I've only been riding the hog. So recently, my buddy

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Speaker 2: Jason Chinook, who runs Ducatti of North America, he hooked

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Speaker 2: me up with the x D novel S, the new

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Speaker 2: version of the V twin cruise that I had. But

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Speaker 2: this one has a V four one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: horse power and looks like worlds different from the original

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Speaker 2: x Davels.

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Speaker 1: Now, I know. Dukatti is claiming this is a bold

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Speaker 1: nude chapter in the In the line, obviously the bike

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Speaker 1: looks very hot. Do you agree? Is this a bold

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Speaker 1: new chapter or is it more like a slight step forward.

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Speaker 2: So I am not in love with the way it looks,

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Speaker 2: although I was, why, Well, it just looks to me

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Speaker 2: sort of in a way like big and brutish and

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Speaker 2: Ducatti's I prefer to look sleek and almost feminine.

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Speaker 1: The Ferrari of motorcycles, if you will.

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Speaker 2: Exactly yes. And it's got, for example, it's got a

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Speaker 2: passenger seat for a passenger with a big old butt.

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Speaker 2: You know, what are you.

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Speaker 1: Say saying, Matt, are you against big butts? No?

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Speaker 2: I like big butts, and I cannot lie, but I

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Speaker 2: will say, it just doesn't really make sense to me

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Speaker 2: on this bike, and coming from I had the old

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Speaker 2: X Davels, like I said, which looked more like kind

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Speaker 2: of a rebel like American kind of out West cruiser

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Speaker 2: looked a lot more like what something you know, Keanu

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Speaker 2: Reeves would ride. And this thing looks very futuristic, which

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm just not in love with.

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Speaker 1: I kind of love a futuristic motor bike. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's like the whole matrixy. Like you're in sort of

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Speaker 1: a long flowing black leather jacket and it's like you're

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Speaker 1: wearing wrap around black glasses and your bike. Actually that's

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Speaker 1: a look.

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Speaker 2: I actually didn't think about that. Keanu was in obviously

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Speaker 2: the Matrix did ride a Ducatti nine ninety six.

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Speaker 1: This is this is like the vibe. I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: curious if your months of riding a Harley have changed

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think they've changed my esthetic preferences, because

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Speaker 2: I still am in love with Ducatti's Panagali. I still

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Speaker 2: have a couple of Ducatti Monsters Classic Monsters that I love.

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Speaker 2: The Multi Strata is my favorite bike of all time.

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Speaker 2: But riding the Harley has changed the way I ride

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Speaker 2: Like five thousand is the absolute upper limit, right.

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Speaker 2: No, And so I get on this bike yesterday. I

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Speaker 2: the fact that it has like an eleven thousand redline.

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Speaker 2: You know, you live in the upper Revs and I

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Speaker 2: This feels kind of weird, and when I did open

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Speaker 2: My Harley Davidson is pretty sporty for Harley, but it's

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Speaker 2: nothing compared to this. And I went back and I

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Speaker 2: looked at horse power to pounds. I always think it's

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Speaker 2: the easiest to understand how many pounds is each horse

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Speaker 2: two karrera s you have four hundred and seventy three

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Speaker 2: horse power. It weighs about thirty four hundred pounds. So

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Speaker 2: each horse essentially is pushing pushing seven point two pounds.

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Speaker 2: And that turns out to be almost exactly the same

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Speaker 2: as my Harley, because the Harley has ninety five horse power. Interesting,

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Speaker 2: but it weighs like six hundred and fifty pounds or

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Speaker 2: The Dukati blows them out of the water.

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Speaker 1: What is the dukatiweh five hundred pounds?

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Speaker 2: The Dukati weighs about five hundred pounds exactly. I think

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Speaker 2: it's like five hundred and five and it has one

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty eight horse power, so it's pushing. Each

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Speaker 1: Right, You're flying absolutely lying.

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Speaker 2: And this isn't there like track bike, you know, this

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Speaker 2: is like their Poser boulevard cruiser. And so it was

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Speaker 2: a little bit scary at first, as I was as

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Speaker 2: I was riding at home. Then I got used to it,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, I'm reminded at how it feels to

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Speaker 2: pilot a vehicle that you can pretty much put anywhere

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Speaker 2: Because the brakes are also phenomenal. It turns in like

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Speaker 2: a dream at least compared to you know, a Harley

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Speaker 1: Is it worth thirty grand?

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Speaker 2: It is very expensive, that's true. And if this is

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Speaker 2: the kind of thing that you're into, yes, it's definitely

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Speaker 2: worth thirty grand. Yeah. Would I pay that much? No,

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Speaker 2: I would take that money in buy a new one.

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Speaker 1: Could you okay? And so my other question is could

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can because it's feet forward, but that's another

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Speaker 2: thing I was thinking, like, so, I you know, obviously

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Speaker 2: that's why I bought a Harley Davidson. I want that

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Speaker 2: but on this kind of bike, on a Ducatti, I

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Speaker 2: really want my feet under me. Yeah, because you want

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Speaker 2: weight on your feet, dig you know, get your well

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Speaker 2: not that for me.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, okay, no, we don't want to go

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Speaker 1: for others.

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Speaker 2: In any case, very cool and a different interesting and

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Speaker 2: like variety is the spice of life, right, So I'm

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Speaker 2: living this, living the dream I have it for I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna probably keep it for a week.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's fun. You'll have your fun. I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you want to talk about something on the very

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Speaker 1: other side of the spectrum.

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Speaker 2: Yes, old rolls rises, Yes, Oh which ones do you

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Speaker 2: have again? Which Rolls Royce do you have? Again?

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Speaker 1: We have some silver Shadows from the seventies and a

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Speaker 1: silver Spur from the eighties. In eighty eight, and then

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Speaker 1: done by park mull and or Ward which is an

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Speaker 1: early division that was working with Rolls Royce at the time,

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Speaker 1: one from the eighties four door mostly rolls Royces, and

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Speaker 1: I you know, we've talked about them. These are not

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Speaker 1: expensive cars. They're fun to drive, they've got they're not

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Speaker 1: expensive to buy. They've not expensive to buy. But I

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Speaker 1: am god, I am good. I was like, do I

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Speaker 1: even want to talk about this? And the like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have nothing to hide. Look, sometimes it's a challenge

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Speaker 1: and it is a slightly dysfunctional relationship, and the irony

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Speaker 1: of it all is all. None of them are are

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Speaker 1: None of them were drivable? Not on Monday?

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Speaker 2: Are you serious?

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we sort of rotate through. Obviously, you can

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Speaker 1: only drive one car at once. And on Monday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: I had a dentist appointment in Pasadena, and so I

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Speaker 1: thought I would take my own. Mind, you know, we

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Speaker 1: share some of them, but this Silver Shadow in particular

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Speaker 1: and so it's a great car. No, honestly, no issues.

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Speaker 1: Some slight electrical stuff, but you know, it's been doing

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Speaker 1: this thing. It's been doing this thing. Where after like

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Speaker 1: And it's not that big a deal. It's not a

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Speaker 1: But I know what's happening, so it's not a big deal.

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Speaker 1: I just go with it. And it wasn't enough that

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Speaker 1: Charlie for a week or two. I want to be

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Speaker 1: driving it. I don't want to mess with it being

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Speaker 1: in the shop. I travel too much. There's too much

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Speaker 1: other fun stuff to be doing anyway.

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Speaker 2: Also, I imagine I don't want to pry too deeply,

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Speaker 2: but you can pry Charlie.

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Speaker 1: He's the igapoo, Yeah, Charlie, iapoo.

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Speaker 2: He's the famous Rolls Royce mechanic.

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Speaker 1: Mechanic he's been here are.

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Speaker 2: I imagine the shop rate is not cheap right, and

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Speaker 2: especially getting parts. I just can't imagine the repair bills.

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Speaker 1: It's not as expensive as you, you know, a couple grand.

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Speaker 1: It's not like thousands. US call it a couple grand

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Speaker 1: It is not that. It's like a couple grand a

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Speaker 2: For this, I fear like the ten twenty Yeah, no

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Speaker 2: dollar bills of a Bentley, like an eighties Bentley.

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Speaker 1: We've never had a ten grid. We've never had anything

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Speaker 2: I just I wonder, I'm you know, the guys, some

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Speaker 2: of the guys from Rolls Royce are coming in here today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for walking that up. How do you think

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Speaker 2: one of your older Rolls Royce cars, And I don't

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Speaker 2: mean in terms of acceleration or breaking, but like in

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Speaker 2: just in terms of the magic carpet right feel, how

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Speaker 2: do you think they compare two a new Roles? This

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Speaker 2: is it the same kind of similar?

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Speaker 1: Honestly, very similar. And I even made this point to

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that information with us, for trusting

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: It's nice to hear.

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Speaker 2: By the way, right in to us. Our email address

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Speaker 2: is Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net. Still ahead, welcome

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Speaker 2: Tesla's chief designer, Franz von Holtzhausend. I'm Matt Miller along

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Speaker 1: The man needs almost no introduction. Franz von Holdshausen, chief

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Speaker 1: designer of Tesla since two thousand and eight. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us and also diner designer, because the last

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to be here and.

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Speaker 3: Your mind.

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Speaker 1: So I have to ask, how's business at the diner

436
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Speaker 1: have you? Are you still there like every day or

437
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Speaker 1: has it tapered off a little bit for you?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 4: I think you know, we have a we have a

440
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Speaker 4: really great team there and you know, the design, the

441
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Speaker 4: design of the diner was really about how do we

442
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Speaker 4: bring a future vibe to charging? How do we make

443
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Speaker 4: the charging experience exciting again? And you know, looking at

444
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Speaker 4: the location in Hollywood, it made sense to bring a

445
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Speaker 4: bit of a movie theme into it as well. And so,

446
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Speaker 4: you know, the idea of come in charge, grab a

447
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Speaker 4: byte to catch a movie just had a really cool

448
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Speaker 4: vibe to it, and we wanted to compliment that with

449
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Speaker 4: inexperience in the building and the location that really made

450
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Speaker 4: you feel like you're stepping into something new and fresh

451
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Speaker 4: and a positive and a glimpse into where our future is.

452
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Speaker 4: But it's you know, all around you right at the moment.

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Speaker 2: It makes me a little bit jealous that you have

454
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Speaker 2: it out there in La and that Hannah got to go.

455
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Speaker 2: It's always the case that Hannah gets the good assignments

456
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Speaker 2: and I have to sit here in the studio. But

457
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Speaker 2: any plans to open a diner in New York.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been talking about, you know, diners located around

459
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Speaker 4: the world, and so I think it's just a matter

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Speaker 4: of stay tuned.

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Speaker 3: We're checking it out.

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Speaker 2: Well.

463
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Speaker 1: I have to say, I thought it was so cool,

464
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Speaker 1: how you know an automaker thinks about building real, authentic

465
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Speaker 1: community with its fans, with its customers, with its buyers.

466
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Speaker 1: It's nice to see. Obviously, Tesla runs very deep for

467
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Speaker 1: the people who do love the brand, and I really

468
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Speaker 1: did see that. It was like a celebration and I

469
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Speaker 1: love that. You know, just the idea that you guys

470
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Speaker 1: are doing something to try to give back to your

471
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Speaker 1: customers isn't the wrong word, but to try to do

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Speaker 1: something fun. Obviously it's for everybody, but it certainly did

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Speaker 1: feel like a Tesla hub of people who really love

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Speaker 1: the brand.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it kind of in these trying times, I

476
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Speaker 4: guess it's the best way you could call it, especially

477
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Speaker 4: here in La. It's really great to see the community

478
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Speaker 4: coming together and the.

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Speaker 3: It felt like.

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Speaker 4: A space where you could be free and comfortable and

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Speaker 4: get a great you know, meal, sustainably sourced and just

482
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Speaker 4: enjoy enjoy the time and be around other folks that

483
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Speaker 4: are like minded, really thinking about the future and where

484
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Speaker 4: we're headed from a sustainability perspective. And you know, I

485
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Speaker 4: think that, like you touched on it, that sense of

486
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Speaker 4: community is really strong and powerful there, and you know,

487
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Speaker 4: complement that with great food and great a great I'm

488
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Speaker 4: you know, I don't see why you wouldn't want to

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Speaker 4: go there.

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Speaker 2: Franz, can you I want to go back before we

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Speaker 2: get to the future and talk about the beginning, because

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Speaker 2: I have long felt that the models is incredibly elegant

493
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Speaker 2: and doesn't seem to age. Right, it's got to be

494
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Speaker 2: fifteen years old and it still could be a new car.

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Speaker 2: That's not something you could say about Audi's BMW's Mercedes.

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Speaker 2: So how did you go about designing that? And like

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Speaker 2: tell us about the beginning with Elon and the idea

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Speaker 2: to do the supercharger networks, and like the whole start

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Speaker 2: of I hear it came together very quickly.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know how much time we have.

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Speaker 4: This could be, you know, this like a book in itself,

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Speaker 4: but I think the abridged version is really when we

503
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Speaker 4: started we wanted to. We talked a lot about the

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Speaker 4: technology and how advanced the technology was. We saw a

505
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Speaker 4: lot of you know, if you recall that time two

506
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Speaker 4: thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,

507
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Speaker 4: you know, there is a lot of turmoil going on

508
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Speaker 4: in the world. But we also saw the like the

509
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Speaker 4: rise of ev and hybrid and a lot of companies

510
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Speaker 4: and a lot of people were really looking at we

511
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Speaker 4: have to really stand out and be unique and be

512
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Speaker 4: over the top kind of shout really loud from the

513
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Speaker 4: top of the hill. That you're trying to do something

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Speaker 4: sustainable and better. And you know, I think the products

515
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Speaker 4: that we were seeing were pretty extreme, and we felt like,

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Speaker 4: we have a great technology. Let's approach it from a

517
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Speaker 4: refined perspective. Let's look beyond just the immediate impact of

518
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Speaker 4: you know, bringing an ev into the marketplace, but really

519
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Speaker 4: look at it from a long term perspective, and how

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Speaker 4: do you get somebody that past the early adopters, will

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Speaker 4: continue to purchase the product and own the product and

522
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Speaker 4: feel good about it or aspire to it long term.

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Speaker 4: And so I think with that approach, we looked at

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Speaker 4: a little bit more classical design language, something that was

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Speaker 4: clean and elegant and refined that that you know, I

526
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Speaker 4: think it didn't have to make a big, huge splash

527
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Speaker 4: at an impact level. But over time it's obviously we've

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Speaker 4: seen that it's been able to sustain itself. And I think,

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Speaker 4: you know, just classic proportions, clean, elegant lines that the

530
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Speaker 4: language is really derived around this idea of efficiency. And

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Speaker 4: you know, when you don't when when when you're starting

532
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Speaker 4: a brand or you're starting a company like Tuzzle was.

533
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Speaker 4: At that time, there was no library of history to

534
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Speaker 4: draw from, so we had the opportunity to really kind

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Speaker 4: of create our own history.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, by the way, Frands, that you say that

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Speaker 2: the languages are around efficiency. One of the people who

538
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Speaker 2: listen to this podcast wrote in and asked which you

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Speaker 2: consider most important when designing a vehicle, the beauty or

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Speaker 2: the aesthetics. I guess the drag coefficient or the ease

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Speaker 2: of manufacturing, because you've got to consider all three of

542
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Speaker 2: those things, right.

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Speaker 3: All three are equally important.

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Speaker 4: I think at the end of the day, the customer

545
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Speaker 4: cares a little bit less about the ease of manufacturing.

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Speaker 4: But you know, if we don't take that into consideration,

547
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Speaker 4: then it's really difficult for us to bring the products

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Speaker 4: to the customer.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I was going to say, I remember back

550
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Speaker 1: in those early early days being with Elon, with him

551
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Speaker 1: taking me through a prototype, not a less prototype, and

552
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Speaker 1: he was talking about that like a computer on wheels,

553
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Speaker 1: and that was the first time I had ever heard

554
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Speaker 1: anybody make that comparison or connection. And even then he

555
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Speaker 1: was talking about how, no, this is going to be

556
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Speaker 1: like a seamless thing that's also connected to your phone,

557
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Speaker 1: and just sounded really different. I mean it was complete, right, yeah, completely,

558
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Speaker 1: and so from a design perspective, were you approaching the

559
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Speaker 1: design as this is a completely new paradigm for us,

560
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Speaker 1: this is even a computer or were you still I

561
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Speaker 1: mean you mentioned having nothing to draw on, so were

562
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Speaker 1: you thinking of it as a car or something different.

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Speaker 4: Well, at the end of the day, we knew it

564
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Speaker 4: was going to be a car, right, But I think

565
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Speaker 4: that perspective allowed us to open up the range of

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Speaker 4: possibilities and really explore beyond the traditional And I think

567
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Speaker 4: that's kind of getting back to this first principles perspective

568
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Speaker 4: where you know, we're not following just what you know,

569
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Speaker 4: like Lemmings off the cliff, what everybody else is doing.

570
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Speaker 4: We're really looking at how do we solve the problem?

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Speaker 4: And you know, we just saw that there was a

572
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Speaker 4: lot of consistent, kind of complacent and normalcy and the

573
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Speaker 4: way vehicles were being presented to the public. And we

574
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Speaker 4: looked at you know, technology in the computer space and

575
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Speaker 4: phone space and electronics just moving so quickly and being

576
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Speaker 4: able to adapt really quickly, and that's what you know,

577
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Speaker 4: the consumer, what us have in our life, and the

578
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 4: vehicle always felt like it was ten years behind all that.

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Speaker 4: So we really wanted to bring the vehicle into the

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Speaker 4: same level, if not as advanced, not more advanced than

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Speaker 4: you know, state of the art electronics at the time.

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Speaker 4: And with that we're able to, you know, continue to

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Speaker 4: evolve and upgrade. And you know, we brought over the

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Speaker 4: air updating to the vehicles really early, and you know

585
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Speaker 4: that's allowed vehicles like the model is to still stay relevant.

586
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Speaker 4: You know, there's so many people that I bump into

587
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: or talk to that own one of the very first models,

588
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Speaker 4: but because we keep the firmware and the software refreshing

589
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Speaker 4: an up to date and currents, you know that they

590
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Speaker 4: don't feel the need to have to upgrade the cars.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's still great right now and it still

592
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Speaker 3: feels relevant.

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Speaker 2: By the way, a lot of the cars that you've

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Speaker 2: worked on really do age well, because I've read that

595
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Speaker 2: you worked on the New Beetle and you worked on

596
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Speaker 2: the Pontiac Solstice, which is one of my favorites. I

597
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Speaker 2: love that, by the way, Hannah and the Dax Shepherd

598
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: movie Hit and Run and then and the models. But

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Speaker 2: I wonder, do you think the cyber truck is going

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Speaker 2: to age the same way, because it's obviously a much

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Speaker 2: more controversial design than the other three.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm really.

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Speaker 4: Curious to see how Cyberchruck evolves. You know, I think

604
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Speaker 4: when when it came out, it shocked everybody. You know,

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Speaker 4: I think nobody really believed that we were serious so

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Speaker 4: that we're going to be able to do something like that.

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Speaker 4: And yet, you know, we put it into production basically

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Speaker 4: as we showed it. And I think it also I

609
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Speaker 4: think helped inspire a little bit of a movement in

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Speaker 4: the design world, at least in the automotive world, and

611
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 4: you see it in products as well. It got people,

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Speaker 4: you know, feeling like, okay, you we can break out

613
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Speaker 4: and we can be different, and it's okay. And you know,

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Speaker 4: the cyber truck is still a truck. It's still a

615
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Speaker 4: great truck. The underpinnings of it are not fake. There's

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Speaker 4: it's not just esthetically different and falls apart on every

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Speaker 4: other metric. It's you know, our direction was, we have

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Speaker 4: to make a truck that's that drives and handles like

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Speaker 4: a sports car, but has the functionality of a pickup

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Speaker 4: truck that you would expect and exceed on those levels.

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Speaker 4: And then you know, with that, we were able to

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Speaker 4: bring an aesthetic that was different based on a manufacturing

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Speaker 4: principle that helped us bring the products to to light

624
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Speaker 4: in a in a different way. Where we were putting

625
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Speaker 4: the toughness on the outside, we're using creating like an

626
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Speaker 4: exoskeleton in the vehicle, using different materials that didn't require paint.

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Speaker 3: So that's a much more animal process.

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Speaker 4: You don't have the big stamping requirements in the factory,

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Speaker 4: and so the process is different and the end results

630
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Speaker 4: is a really unique aesthetic with which.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, does it last the test of time?

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Speaker 4: I think historically, looking back, you know, hopefully, I see

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Speaker 4: that it's sparked a movement that allow allowed everybody to

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Speaker 4: start to think a little bit differently about products that

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Speaker 4: we create and things that we put in our lives.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Hot Pursuit from Bloomberg Radio. I'm Matt

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Speaker 2: Miller along with Hannah Elliott. We'll have more of our

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Speaker 2: conversation with Tesla's chief designer, Frans fund Whole thousand right

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Speaker 2: Miller along with Hannah Elliott. Now here's more of our

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Speaker 2: conversation with Frans vund hold thousand, chief designer at Tesla.

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Speaker 1: Franz, would you ever can that are making a smaller

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Speaker 1: version of the cyber truck or even an suv cyber

644
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Speaker 1: trucky type thing, something smaller that might have more volume potentially.

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Speaker 4: Those are definitely all things that we've considered. I think,

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Speaker 4: you know, wait and see is probably maybe.

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Speaker 3: The best it.

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Speaker 1: I hate that answer.

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Speaker 4: You know, We're working on so many really innovative and

650
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Speaker 4: fun and great things into the future, and I would

651
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Speaker 4: love to be able to share them.

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Speaker 2: But I would like a three row like a Tahoe competitor. God, listen,

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Speaker 2: you're sitting in what appears to be a multi seat vehicle.

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Speaker 2: Is that the robo van?

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Speaker 3: I'm in the robust?

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Speaker 2: Yes, the robusts okay, so tell us about that. It's

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Speaker 2: like a new mass transit vehicle. Are their plans to

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Speaker 2: show it anytime soon?

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Speaker 4: Yeah. We showed this vehicle almost a year ago now

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Speaker 4: at our ten ten event, which is really based around

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Speaker 4: autonomy and the future of transport. And you know, this

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Speaker 4: is a it's a fourteen passenger you know, up to

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Speaker 4: twenty with standing room autonomous van you call that really

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Speaker 4: just transforms the vision of what it means to be

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Speaker 4: moved around. This is you know, an idea of urban

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Speaker 4: transport where it's not quite as personal as an individual

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Speaker 4: cybercab rob a taxi experience, but gets you know, cost

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Speaker 4: per mile way down, allows the customer to have affair

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Speaker 4: for you know, ten or twenty cents a mile, and

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Speaker 4: really unlocks the ability for transport for people that maybe

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Speaker 4: are don't have the wherewith all the ability to afford transportation.

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Speaker 3: Now this gets them rather than.

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Speaker 4: You know, bus stop to bus stop, this gets them

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Speaker 4: closer to their destination, closer to their pickup spot, and

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Speaker 4: just freeze up transport for underprivileged folks. I think it's

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Speaker 4: really going to revolutionize transportation and that's you know, one

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Speaker 4: of our goals. And we also wanted to do it

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Speaker 4: in a fresh, futuristic way so that you really feel

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Speaker 4: like you're stepping into a better world, a better experience,

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Speaker 4: a more sustainable world, and just you know, I think

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Speaker 4: there's something about feeling good in the way that you're transported.

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Speaker 4: It's the same as you know, fashion or the house.

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Speaker 3: That you live in. You feel good about the things

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Speaker 3: that you put around you.

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Speaker 4: You feel good about when something is designed well, it

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Speaker 4: looks futuristic, it has an emotional connection that you can

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Speaker 4: feel positive about.

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Speaker 3: And that's the experience we're trying to get.

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Speaker 1: Is that something that we would see in the US.

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Speaker 1: Or is that for more, you know, very dense urban centers.

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Speaker 1: So that for the US, yeah, cool. Well, everybody loves

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Speaker 1: Waymos here in Beverly Hill. They're very excited about those Soma.

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Speaker 4: Taxi experiences coming to La Se And so.

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Speaker 2: I got to ask about the handle story that that

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg wrote about. You know, the door handles are flat

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Speaker 2: on Tesla's and the interior buttons are electric. I was

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Speaker 2: recently stuck in a Corvette which has the same kind

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Speaker 2: of thing, until I, you know, somebody the parking garage

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Speaker 2: pointed out that I could find the emergency latch. You

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Speaker 2: have a similar system, knitsays looking into this now, apparently

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Speaker 2: Beijing is looking into it. Have you considered a redesign

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Speaker 2: or a fix for these issues.

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Speaker 4: We actually have a mechanical release that's you know, basically

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Speaker 4: right at the electronic one two, and we're combining the two.

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Speaker 4: So you know, in the moment that you're in a

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Speaker 4: panic situation, the muscle memory to go to you know,

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Speaker 4: what you know is right there, so you just pull

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Speaker 4: a little bit further on the lever and you have

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Speaker 4: the mechanical release.

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Speaker 3: So that's something that we're working on. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 3: in the cars.

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Speaker 2: Now, all right. So if there is, if there is

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Speaker 2: then a China ban, you're ready to roll that out.

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Speaker 2: So that I'm working well, actually the band the ban.

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Speaker 2: I guess the Chinese issue is the flat outer door handle.

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Speaker 2: So would would you would you do something? Would you

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Speaker 2: make a change, like you know Ferrari's have that little

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Speaker 2: crease you can reach into. Is there is there some

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Speaker 2: idea about that on the outside.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're working on it right now and just looking

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Speaker 4: at the you know, the details of the regulation if

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Speaker 4: and when that happens, and we'll have a really good

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Speaker 4: solution for that.

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Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not worried about that.

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Speaker 1: It makes sense, you know, I know, like it's one

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Speaker 1: thing for us adults to know that, but for kids,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a little bit different to expect a

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Speaker 1: kid to know how to go for a manual relief.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So the idea of combining the electronic one and the

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Speaker 4: menu one together into one button, I think, you know, it

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Speaker 4: makes a lot of sense. It really helps to you know,

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Speaker 4: the muscle memory of reaching for something every day is

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Speaker 4: there and so you intuitively just grab the same thing

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Speaker 4: and you're free.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Franz, the the design language is very

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Speaker 2: clear across the sexy models, and the truck is obviously

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Speaker 2: a departure from the S, the three, the X, and

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Speaker 2: the Y. But do you stick with that design language

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Speaker 2: for future, you know, fifteen years later, twenty years later,

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Speaker 2: or is there a point where you guys decide to

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Speaker 2: change it up for the for the cars that you're making.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think what we're actually looking at is

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Speaker 4: that every product that we're working on really deserves its

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Speaker 4: own unique identity and language, and we don't want to

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Speaker 4: pre prescribe a language to that. I think there's also

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Speaker 4: making sure that we're relevant and forward looking and you know,

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Speaker 4: not getting stale in terms of the delivery of the

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Speaker 4: products esthetically.

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Speaker 3: So we look at every product.

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Speaker 4: As if it's unique and potentially has its own identity

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Speaker 4: and going forward. So and I'm excited about the stuff

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Speaker 4: that we're working on, and I think, you know, you'll

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Speaker 4: start to see it pretty soon.

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Speaker 1: You know. This is an interesting idea that I've actually

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Speaker 1: been following a bit with other automakers too. For instance,

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Speaker 1: Mercedes has decided to go back to the roller style

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Speaker 1: volume control on the steering wheel. Just the bigger idea

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Speaker 1: that like, sometimes the most futuristic or advanced thing isn't

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Speaker 1: actually what consumers want. And it's been really interesting to see,

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it's two steps forward, one steps back.

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Speaker 1: It's still progress, but I have seen and I was

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Speaker 1: thinking the other day about BMW's big display key that

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Speaker 1: was like a computer screen in your hand. They realize

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Speaker 1: nobody wants this and they stop selling it. It's interesting that,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe some tech is answering a question that

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Speaker 1: nobody's asking.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know, we're we're really looking at

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Speaker 4: looking at a world of autonomy and how do we

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Speaker 4: best serve the customer and autonomous experience. So, you know,

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Speaker 4: every car that Tesla sells right now has the ability

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Speaker 4: to be completely autonomous as the firmware continues to evolve

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Speaker 4: and develop, and I think, you know, so it's easier

774
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Speaker 4: and quicker to change software than it is hardware, and

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Speaker 4: we want to make sure that the hardware that we

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Speaker 4: have is really focused on an autonomous future where you're

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Speaker 4: not driving and the car is driving you, and what

778
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Speaker 4: are you doing with your time, what's your experience, how

779
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Speaker 4: are you doing, you know, the the meetings, the leisure time,

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Speaker 4: the movie watching, game playing, relaxing, basically in your journey.

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Speaker 4: And and what what is the you know, quote unquote

782
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Speaker 4: hardware that you have around you in your vehicle.

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Speaker 3: That's you know, where our headspace is.

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Speaker 4: So we're constantly looking at that future state of a

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Speaker 4: world where you know, in the in the very near future,

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Speaker 4: where you don't have to drive at all, if you know,

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Speaker 4: and if you do, it's maybe very little, you also

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Speaker 4: want to drive, you still have a great vehicle to

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Speaker 4: be able to do them.

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Speaker 2: You've mentioned sustainability also a couple of times. Frands Obviously,

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Speaker 2: that's I would think at the forefront of Tesla's uh yeah,

792
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Speaker 2: raison Tetra really and you've also mentioned that you want

793
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Speaker 2: to design a car that's maybe easy or not expensive

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Speaker 2: to produce so that more people can get it, and

795
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Speaker 2: you want to put I know that you want to

796
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Speaker 2: make a lower cost vehicle. Is it harder now with

797
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Speaker 2: these steel and aluminum Terrace because you build one of

798
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Speaker 2: the most American cars that there is in terms of production,

799
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Speaker 2: but you still have to import those those pieces.

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Speaker 4: Right, We're I think you know, we're looking at how

801
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Speaker 4: do we become or continue to be the most American

802
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 4: manufactured vehicles and ultimately the the you know, we we

803
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Speaker 4: just want to bring a great experience at an affordable rate.

804
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Speaker 4: It's you know, how do we design into that space?

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Speaker 4: What are the material choices that we use? How do

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Speaker 4: we leave a better future for you know, this planet,

807
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Speaker 4: making sensible choices on sustainable materials, et cetera. And I

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Speaker 4: think you know, we are an American company. People tend

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Speaker 4: to forget that and I think you know, being locally

810
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Speaker 4: sourced is really important to us, and we're continuing to

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Speaker 4: just explore how do we maximize on that level. And

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Speaker 4: I think you know, we have an incredibly creative team

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Speaker 4: that's really looking at, you know, bring sometimes bringing the

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Speaker 4: impossible at a lower cost, you know, the aspirational at

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Speaker 4: a lower costs.

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Speaker 3: And that's you know, always what we try to achieve.

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Speaker 1: All right, As I know we're run out of time

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Speaker 1: with you, I have one philosophical question. Though you've been

819
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: at Tesla for so long, what is the key to

820
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: your longevity? I mean you've been through thick and thin.

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Speaker 1: What's your what's your secret? Sauce?

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Speaker 4: I don't know if there's a secret sauce, but I think,

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Speaker 4: you know, we have a we have a really great team.

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Speaker 4: We're focused on, you know, delivering an exciting future, a

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Speaker 4: sustainable future that we all believe in. And I think

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Speaker 4: when we continue to bring products that are esthetically beautiful,

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Speaker 4: that are aspirational, and we figure out how to do

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Speaker 4: that in a sustainable and affordable way, then you know,

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Speaker 4: I think we Teesla continues on its mission and you know,

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, we have a team that's really

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Speaker 4: focused on doing that at a super high level, where

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Speaker 4: every detail counts, every millimeter accounts. And yeah, well in

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Speaker 4: the moment I stopped doing that, I guess that's maybe when.

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Speaker 2: Franz. It was great to get some time with you.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. Obviously we could go on for

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Speaker 2: hours and hours, but I know you have a lot

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Speaker 2: to do. So thank you very much, Franz on whole

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Speaker 2: thousand there from Tesla.

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Speaker 3: It's been a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thanks all right, Our thanks to Frans vun whod thousand

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Speaker 2: for joining us. He is the chief designer at Tesla.

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