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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to What Future. I'm your host, Josh Watspolski,

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Speaker 1: And before we get into the show, I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about traveling. I have a very particular feeling about traveling,

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Speaker 1: particularly traveling by plane, and having just done some traveling,

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Speaker 1: I have certain points of dread, I would say, in

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Speaker 1: the experience, and I don't know if everybody has these.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if everyone experiences travel quite the way

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Speaker 1: that I do. Like, I feel like when I'm in

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Speaker 1: airport and I look at people, people seem generally. Now

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Speaker 1: this could be a projection or whatever, me reading into things,

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Speaker 1: I feel like people at the airport are having a

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Speaker 1: better time than I am. Like when I look around,

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Speaker 1: I feel like everybody enjoying what they're doing or enjoying

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Speaker 1: their trip more than I am. For me, a trip

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Speaker 1: is just a series of hurdles that I've got a

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Speaker 1: vault over, a series of anxiety portals that I must

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Speaker 1: pass through until I get to my destination. And I

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Speaker 1: think some of that is driven by my well. I

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Speaker 1: think I have a problem with flying because it takes

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Speaker 1: me completely out of control of the situation and I'm

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Speaker 1: not a good passenger anywhere, Like in a car or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I don't like to take trains that much. But on

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Speaker 1: a plane you feel especially powerless and out of control.

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Speaker 1: And you know, of course if a plane typically when

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Speaker 1: a plane crashes, which doesn't happen that often, but it

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Speaker 1: does happen, it's not like, oh, there were some injuries,

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Speaker 1: you know, like a car crash is like, oh the

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Speaker 1: guy got his arm broken, or well he had to

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Speaker 1: be he was in the hospital for six months, but

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Speaker 1: you know then he recovered, or well he'll never walk again,

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Speaker 1: but he's still alive. I mean, of course, people die

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Speaker 1: in car accidents, in fact, more often than than you know,

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Speaker 1: they're more likely to die in a car accident than

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Speaker 1: you are on a plane. So but there's that kind

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Speaker 1: of feel like, well, if the plane does crash, that's

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Speaker 1: it for me. I'm I'm toast. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: there's the whole thing with seats because I'm very tall,

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Speaker 1: and uh, it can be very uncomfortable. Uh, it can

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Speaker 1: be very hold on, I'm getting a call which I

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Speaker 1: need to take. I understand this, this is very bad timing.

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Speaker 1: But one second, hello.

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Speaker 2: Josh, yes, sir, you know who this is, right, Well,

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Speaker 2: I mean there's only one person who can cut right

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Speaker 2: into mind. Who is this?

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Speaker 1: It's the professor. It's always the professor. It's only the professor.

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Speaker 2: Professor scientists, Sir, professor scientists, Sir professor scientists, sir. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I like to take control immediately.

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Speaker 1: That's good.

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Speaker 2: You know you hear my laugh right now, right? And

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Speaker 2: I do so enjoy our conversations, both on air and

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Speaker 2: off air. Yes, but I will tell you this. I

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Speaker 2: come into this conversation today ship ton of anxiety, and

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Speaker 2: imagine a ton of ship. Okay, any type of excrement

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Speaker 2: I've got, I've got it, do you really? I got

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Speaker 2: in my mind's eye right now. I got it in

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Speaker 2: my mind's and it's very detailed. It's on your front doorstep.

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Speaker 2: It's more than the doorstep. It's in your yard. Okay,

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Speaker 2: your chowt is about.

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Speaker 1: Could be good. I mean you have to stop.

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Speaker 2: I held it from going out inquiring what is that

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Speaker 2: thing everywhere near that? It's get away from that power

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Speaker 2: of ship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's a ton, yeah, of anxiety, of anxiety, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not enjoying it. And even though I'm giggling about it, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm very serious.

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Speaker 1: Well, giggling is just a it's a defense mechanism against anxiety. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm doing a bad job at everything,

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Speaker 1: and that makes me feel anxious. But I'm not so

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Speaker 1: anxious that I'm going to do a better job. If

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Speaker 1: that makes you feel any better, So.

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Speaker 2: I should write that down. That would be like a

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Speaker 2: perfect little piece of wisdom in your in your book.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I should write a book of little little witticisms

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, all right, my anxiety levels for shiit?

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Speaker 1: What's causing you anxiety? You're you should be relaxed, man,

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Speaker 1: I should be Yeah, well, I know you've got a

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Speaker 1: lot of stress because you've got you've got big projects,

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Speaker 1: you got to deal with big people, big personalities.

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Speaker 2: It's not just stress. It's just I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: think stress is more of an external force and anxiety

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Speaker 2: is more of an internal force.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like something that a very smart therapist would say.

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Speaker 2: No, I just I just said it. I just blurted

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Speaker 1: You should write a book of witticisms.

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Speaker 2: Oh you want to hear some of my witticisms. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I said this to somebody today. I can be accused

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Speaker 2: of being a little self righteous, which I'm okay with. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because I can be I have a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a bar.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll say yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I came up with this thought years ago that

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Speaker 2: when I feel like I have a leg to stand on,

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Speaker 2: which to me indicates I'm right, I'm just right about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not always right, but this, in a particular moment,

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Speaker 2: it's irrefutable. I am right. Somebody's wrong, somebody's lying, somebody's

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Speaker 2: doing something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I.

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Speaker 2: Have a leg to stand on, I take the leg

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Speaker 2: I'm not standing on and I'll beat somebody over the

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Speaker 2: head with it. I should write that one down figuratively literally, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: figure it. Both your legs are attached permanently. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: not like I'm gonna go beat anybody.

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Speaker 1: Up without naming names. Can you give me a basic

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Speaker 1: structure of the what's causing the anxiety?

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Speaker 2: Well, scaffolding, it's uh, mortality has always been an issue

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Speaker 1: Aging mortality is an issue for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have an acute sense of my mortality,

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Speaker 2: as my shrink says, which I do.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, acute.

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Speaker 2: But what I've never really been conscious of so much so,

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Speaker 2: is uh aging? But I've got aging on the brain.

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Speaker 1: Now this is this is an interesting topic because I

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Speaker 1: have a similar I've had a similar thing on on my.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not feeling my age, but I'm conscious of

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Speaker 2: my age. And that didn't happen until a handful of

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Speaker 2: years ago. And through the handful of years I had

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Speaker 2: a couple dear friends pass away and we were all

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Speaker 2: read around the same age. And I've been thinking about

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Speaker 2: my age, which was not part of my internal dialogue

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Speaker 2: right and now it's there every day. Why what are

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Speaker 2: you thinking about your age?

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Speaker 1: Well, I will say that I think that I've always

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Speaker 1: a master procrastinator and will definitely sit on shit indefinitely.

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Speaker 1: But what's interesting is I don't think at all about

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Speaker 1: time thinking about mortality, nor do I think about my age.

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Speaker 1: And if I have any thought about my age, it

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Speaker 1: is that I don't feel dramatically different or older than

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Speaker 1: I did twenty years ago. By the way, I don't either, right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So so now, Laura, my wife, likes to point out

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Speaker 1: regular basis. She will say stuff like we're old now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a slippery slope.

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Speaker 1: It makes me feel kind of shitty because because I

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Speaker 1: don't feel I don't feel old, and I don't and

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Speaker 1: I don't identify as like an old person, and I

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Speaker 1: don't feel like I have like somehow done all the

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Speaker 1: How deluded am I? About who I am and where

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Speaker 1: I sit in the kind of spectrum on the spectrum

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Speaker 1: of time? So you know, it pops up occasionally. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's funny because every time I talk about my age

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Speaker 1: on the show, I say, oh, I'm very close to dying.

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Speaker 1: But it's like it's a joke because I'm obviously not.

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Speaker 1: I like to think that I'm not. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm alway to talk to Laura, I might have to

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Speaker 1: sit Laura, you should you should talk to her about it,

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Speaker 1: because I think she's creating a real bad It creates

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Speaker 2: It becomes a slippery slope, self fulfilling prophecy.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think it's like why I think about

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Speaker 1: yourself like that, Why I think about in these terms

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Speaker 1: of like old or young. I don't feel any age.

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Speaker 2: I never did until about five years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not. Nobody's dying in my world. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm just just hanging out, just LIVI.

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Speaker 2: You know, all right, I'm going to jump around a

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Speaker 2: little bit, but I'm going to mood today. Here we go,

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Speaker 2: Here we go. I saw a documentary it's about the

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Speaker 2: No No People, which I had never heard before. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but the No No People were the Japanese West Coast,

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Speaker 2: primarily Japanese people who were in turn during World War two, Right.

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Speaker 2: And there was a twenty eight questions questionnaire that was

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Speaker 2: to be interned. As I called it, like, number twenty

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Speaker 2: to a more harsh internment camp in Arizona called Camp Tully, right, right,

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Speaker 2: So all of it was harsh, but Camp a little

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Speaker 2: But in fact, so many of the Japanese people, as

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Speaker 2: It's just a you know, this is a beautiful race

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Speaker 2: of people. And they were like, they weren't rioting. They

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Speaker 2: weren't like pulling a January sixth on anybody, right, they

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Speaker 2: certainly weren't happy.

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Speaker 1: Only the only white people do stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Fact, by the way, only white people do that. Because

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Speaker 2: here's my question, if we were to think that, okay,

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Speaker 2: because of geography and proximity. Okay, so Asian and we

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Speaker 2: So it makes you think probably not too many Asians

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Speaker 2: the German people on the East coast?

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a whole This is a whole different.

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Speaker 2: And why did we not? Oh? Because they looked like us,

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Speaker 2: because they were a bunch of white people.

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Speaker 1: This is uh. But also a huge amount of Nazi

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Speaker 1: sympathizers in America.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I made that. I made that point demand

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Speaker 2: the earlier in the day to a.

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Speaker 1: Huge amount of a bit of still to this day

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Speaker 1: and and and historically for sure. Just imagine thinking you're

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Speaker 1: in the existence of all of your ancestors, just thinking

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Speaker 1: discovering that that's not the case, And how little it

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Speaker 1: just a huge pile of secrets and misinformation that people

436
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Speaker 1: that a certain segment of the population will fucking buy into,

437
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 1: just like trickle down economics and all that bullshit. I

438
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: hate to do it. I hate to cite this, but

439
00:22:58,560 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 1: there's it.

440
00:22:59,000 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: But go ahead and say it.

441
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: Well, there's a great Trotsky right piece of writing.

442
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 2: You slip when you slip into Leon Trotsky. Well, I

443
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: know I'm not I'm not.

444
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: A hard line or anything, just saying he wrote a

445
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: piece in nineteen oh one called on Optimism and Pessimism,

446
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 1: and I think about it all the time. I'm just

447
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: going to read you the last line because it's the

448
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: last line, is the one that's the last two lines

449
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: are the ones that are important. I'm just gonna read

450
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Speaker 1: them to you. Surrender you pathetic dreamer. Here, I am

451
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: your long awaited twentieth century, your future. By the way,

452
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: this piece just details how horrible society is in the

453
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Speaker 1: twentieth century. This is when he wrote in nineteen oh one. Right,

454
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Speaker 1: this is the start of the twentieth century. Surrender you,

455
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: pathetic dreamer. Here, I am your long awaited twentieth century,

456
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 1: your future. And the last line is no replies the

457
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Speaker 1: unhumbled optimist, You are only the present. I think about

458
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: this all the time, every day, that we are in

459
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Speaker 1: this mode of envisioning, that we are in the end date.

460
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: But we're not in the end state. We're like in

461
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: the Opening Innings. We're in the opening innings. And I've

462
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: said this to you before, and I'll see disagree. Humanity

463
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: is not going to be destroyed by a global pandemic.

464
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: Let me, let me, it's not gonna be destroyed. And

465
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm agreeing with you by a nuclear conflagration. I agree,

466
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: it's going to be destroyed when we invent a pair

467
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: of shoes that let you jump very high, and then

468
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 1: it turns out one day they go hey wire anybody's

469
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: legs start flying off because the shoes. And that's how

470
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna It's gonna be something so fucking stupid and unexpected.

471
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: You know, It's like it's actually like the pandemic. I

472
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: think a lot of a lot of it is like,

473
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Speaker 1: you know, we thought it'd be zombies and fucking buildings

474
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 1: on fire and nuclear missiles and whatever. The robots rope

475
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: the fucking guys from the matrix. The robots are the matrix,

476
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: and and what it actually is like you got to

477
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: sit in your house and work. You're not allowed to

478
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,479
Speaker 1: go out. You can't go to the grocery store. That's

479
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: the apocalypse. That's our apocalypse. It's like you've got to

480
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: be on slack with your coworkers while you know everybody's

481
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: getting sick around you. Anyhow, Listen, I don't know how

482
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: we got into this. I have no idea what we're

483
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: talking about.

484
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: Me take something back to No, let me take something

485
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: back because I said I agree, but I don't agree.

486
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I'm not even sure what our

487
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: topic isn't.

488
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 2: No, but you had said it's going to be some

489
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: you know, some fucking tennis shoe that gets the tennis shoe.

490
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: You're gonna wipe us.

491
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: Out as your legs are flying off and you put

492
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Speaker 1: them on.

493
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Speaker 2: I have heard you say that before. Yeah, No, I

494
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 2: think it's going to be bigger than that.

495
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Speaker 1: Maybe. But the thinking about AI is this, like it is,

496
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Speaker 1: it appears very scary because it does things that we

497
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Speaker 1: that seem like they are beyond understanding. I think that,

498
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, if you look at what the real the

499
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: the interesting critics have said, and I think to Amanda's point,

500
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: where it's true danger lies at this point is in

501
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: the misuse of AI by human beings. But it's kind

502
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: of a people don't kill people, guns do or whatever argument,

503
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Speaker 1: like yeah, like ultimately a person has to pull the trigger,

504
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: but the gun is the thing that lets them kill.

505
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: And I think that, like, you know, we can have

506
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Speaker 1: the debate about, you know, what the true danger of

507
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: AI is and and it's both things, right, it's both

508
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: the technology and the people. But it's like, but this,

509
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: at this point, we're so early in this game, and

510
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: what it's doing is such a parlor trick, and there's

511
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Speaker 1: no evidence that the parlor trick becomes it can become

512
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: a more elaborate parlor trick. It'll become a very sophisticated

513
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: parlor trick. Is the AI sentient? Does it have a desire?

514
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: Does the AI want something? No, it doesn't, and we

515
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: don't know that it could ever. We have no idea

516
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: that there is us. There's no possibility that we could

517
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Speaker 1: know that you could make a computer system that has

518
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Speaker 1: a desire for something. It can do things we tell

519
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Speaker 1: it to do. It can do things that it thinks

520
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: we wanted to do, or it thinks it should do

521
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: on its own. But that's not the same thing as

522
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Speaker 1: like a motivating factor, like a like a dream. Right,

523
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: dream is not just a random processing of information in

524
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: our brain. It's not just random. It's some combination of

525
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: the pieces of information, right, and it's some part of

526
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: us that is putting them together in a certain way.

527
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: People in machines aren't like one and the same if

528
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: you just make a machine that's complicated enough. So this

529
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: idea that like someday it will be fucking Skynet from

530
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: the Terminator movies is like kind of a weird, bad

531
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: human fantasy that has been I don't know. To me,

532
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: it feels like a little bit of a childish view

533
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: of the technology because some like James Cameron wrote a

534
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: movie about a machine to become sentient and wants to

535
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: kill humans. We have basically decided that that's what the

536
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: machine's going to do. The smarter it becomes like, I

537
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: don't know, the machine's probably going to be able to

538
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: see the Terminator and it'll probably be like, huh, maybe

539
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: I shouldn't do that. That seems like it ends badly,

540
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: Like it's not a good ending for the machines.

541
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: You got a sequel first, and now that badly.

542
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: The best Terminator movie is Terminator three, starring Claire Danes,

543
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: And uh, I'll take that one to my grave.

544
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: Wait, my favorite Aliens movie? Yeah three?

545
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting. Fincher David Fincher's first feature film.

546
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Speaker 2: I get shouted down by more people over that, but.

547
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Speaker 1: You'll have to agree. You will agree with me. David

548
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: Fincher's best movie is Zodiac. Uh probably probably, No, it

549
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: can't be an argument there.

550
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: I don't know Aliens three.

551
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: Man, you're saying Aliens three is better than Zodiac. That's crazy.

552
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: That's just that.

553
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: Go back and revisit Aliens three out there, all right?

554
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: And Charles Charles Dutton staring Dutton the alien saying before

555
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: that lead, come on, doesn't get men of that?

556
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: All right? I do. It does make you want to

557
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: revisit it. I have to tell you that scene.

558
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: Charles Dutton, by the way, one of the great great actors,

559
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: never gets talked about.

560
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: Charles Dutton, Rock Rock, Whatever happened to that show? You

561
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: don't hear anything about.

562
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: Like a world class actor?

563
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: The stage incredible. Okay, hold on, do we have we

564
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: gone through all your questions? Uh?

565
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: Well, we didn't really cover as much of the Uh

566
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: what are you laughing at me about?

567
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: No? Just I just I want to know what we

568
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: did cover. I just think it's funny.

569
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: Thanks exactly. Did you have you ever actually sat down

570
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: and read the fountain Head or at last, No.

571
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't read that pornographythead go back shad, who sucks?

572
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: I think I might have said this to you. There's

573
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: a fascinating early Mike Wallace interview black and white with

574
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: a oh yeah, it's great, chilling, so chilling.

575
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: He really puts it, puts her, you know, gives her

576
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: some tough questions, he.

577
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: Puts her through her paces. But one of the most

578
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: remarkable things about that interview, and anybody who's listening. Really,

579
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: go go watch that interview. It will show you unless

580
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: you're an objectivist, it'll show you what a fraud this

581
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: person was. A big thinker, right, a great brain whatever,

582
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: basically says yeah, I just thought it up. Well, I

583
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: mean I just imagined this thing one day when he

584
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: starts asking her about like, well, where do your inspirations

585
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: come from? What are the references? And she's like, just

586
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: figure that thought it up?

587
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: Well?

588
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: Is that all ideas? Isn't that all good and bad?

589
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: Just somebody thinking of an idea?

590
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: I suppose. But boy, that that many people caught on

591
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: then and continue to catch on. It's just remarkable to me.

592
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: Well, people like to hear things that make them feel

593
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: good about the way that they behave. So you know

594
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: the thing about somebody like Anne Rand or Eying Rand,

595
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: depending on who you talk to, is you know, she's

596
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: condones a lot of behavior that's basically selfish and shitty

597
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: and bad. And that's what the Republicans do often, right,

598
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: Like it's about protecting your interests versus other people's, or

599
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: thinking about a kind of space where other people should

600
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Speaker 1: be considered, which is, you know, in essence, the behavior

601
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: of a child. Right, the behavior of a person with

602
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: a very limited range of understanding.

603
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Speaker 2: Which Wallace kind of gets into a little bit there. Well,

604
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: to get it it is.

605
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: I'll tell you you should create it. You should create

606
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: an app the professor recommends. And it's just because you've

607
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: recommended several pieces of content here during this conversation, and

608
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: all they all are very interesting.

609
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: Sound by the way, I shot my wad.

610
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: That was it.

611
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: I got three.

612
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: I get multi to those were your those were your

613
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: three recommendations.

614
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: Like I said, that's all I had.

615
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: Well, soon you'll be shuffling off this mortal coil and

616
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: you won't have to worry about recommending.

617
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: Things anybody that was brutal.

618
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: Well, you know, just thinking about it, since you brought

619
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: it up at the beginning of the conversation.

620
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: Were you going to speak at my funeral?

621
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: My being asked, I would love to speak at your funeral.

622
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: I've got some big ideas.

623
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: I would love for you to get up and pontificate

624
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: to the point where this is what you're here in

625
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: the audience. Ah.

626
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: I was thinking about doing somebody a little more like

627
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: a carrot top type of routine, something with like props.

628
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: That really would be.

629
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: Funny, you know, just pulling some shit out of a bag.

630
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: You know what I'm getting a lot of comfort from

631
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: in the midst of my well. Is it existential angst?

632
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it's so existential.

633
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 1: It's more angst or dread. It sounds to me more

634
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: like dread.

635
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: It's more dread. You're right, it's more dread.

636
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, be careful, are you know? They're close, but they're

637
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: not exactly the same.

638
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: What I'm getting some comfort from, and I mean it

639
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: is images from the web telescope.

640
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, contemplating the vastness of reality.

641
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: Talk about a spec.

642
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: Well, that's an interesting one.

643
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: Beyond the colors and the figures. Yeah, it's like, oh yeah,

644
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: there's so much out there.

645
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 1: Well, you got to be careful though, because then you

646
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: really start to feel bad about yourself, about your insignificance

647
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: and the meaninglessness of all of your toils.

648
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: No, that that hasn't That hasn't been the reaction. No,

649
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: I look at it and go, oh, should there be

650
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: another space, time, continuum matrix of it all?

651
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

652
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: Like I want to be out there floating in the well.

653
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: Who knows what happens when you when you leave your

654
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, your physical body, you know, have you thought

655
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: about have you said about getting into video games? Though?

656
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: Maybe if you really feel I don't believe it, despondent.

657
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: Don't believe in it. Have you don't believe in it?

658
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: We talked about this before. I think I recommend gaming

659
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: to everybody. You don't believe in blueberries. I don't believe

660
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: in video I.

661
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: Think I don't believe in blueberries. Is this something that

662
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: came up?

663
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: I believe you said this before. Last time we talked,

664
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: you one day chastised me in a pleasant enough way.

665
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: You said this before I recollect and I.

666
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: Was being foolish for believing in the anti arts.

667
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: I say, I chastised you for eating blueberry.

668
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: Believing in the antioxidant qualities of blueberry.

669
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, yes, I think that's probably some kind of scam.

670
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to it's that that to me. Whenever

671
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: I hear whenever somebody.

672
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: Says, that is a scam to you, but AI is

673
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: a positive thing.

674
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: Whenever I hear somebody say, no, I didn't say that.

675
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that. I think we.

676
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: I think we going to quote the great mystic mister

677
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: t I pity the fool.

678
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: No, whenever anybody says anything about a food, no matter

679
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: what it is, any quality the food is supposed to have,

680
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: I immediately think there's a complex system of bullshit that led

681
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: to this moment, and and whatever it is. I'm sure

682
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: the blueberries are healthy. I have no doubt broccoli is

683
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: very healthy. I'm sure there's all sorts of shit that's

684
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: really good for you. But I just feel like getting

685
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: putting too much.

686
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: What's too much?

687
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: Too much faith in the ability of a single item,

688
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: a food item.

689
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: You'd rather any kind of people behind a kind of meaningful,

690
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: healthful reaction.

691
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: I think it's just like, is misguided. I think it's misguided.

692
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: I don't think you know, I don't believe in the Beatles.

693
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: I just believe in me, I guess is what I'm saying.

694
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: God, that's another one. Please write that down.

695
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: No, that's fucking John Lennon said that.

696
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: Oh, oh that's right.

697
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: I think it's actually in a song.

698
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 2: I don't know enough about the Beatles.

699
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: Excuse me, Oh really, no, I think it's I want

700
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: to say it's in a song.

701
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: I listen to the Beatles, but I don't like I

702
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: don't quote the Beatles clearly.

703
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: Some of Lennon's solo stuff is really pretty fucking amazing.

704
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: Do you remember when Paul McCartney death hoaks happened?

705
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: Oh he's still alive. Interesting, But do you.

706
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: Remember the DJ and Detroit who started that rumor about

707
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: Paul McCarty.

708
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think about AI doing that just widespread. Yeah,

709
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: what are we going to do? What are we going

710
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: to do?

711
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: Buy into it?

712
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: Praise for impact?

713
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. You're vacillating now. I don't understand. I'm

714
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: not quite clear.

715
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: Are joking? I'm joking. What's gonna happen?

716
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I have a question?

717
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: Shut than shot?

718
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: Please shut up? Please just show do you?

719
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: I love listening to you speaking like, shut the fuck up?

720
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: I didn't say the F word. Why is it professor positive?

721
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: When it comes to AI, does it just seems to

722
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: be in the hands of diabolical people?

723
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

724
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 2: And we on the left are always, you know, under

725
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: the sword of demos, and the guys on the right

726
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: seem to use it to their advantage.

727
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is the classic bringing a knife to

728
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: a gunfight situation, Like democrats are I.

729
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,959
Speaker 2: Mean, but do you really think they're going to stand

730
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: down at some point and say, all right, your turn?

731
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: Who the guys on they're only going to get better

732
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: at it, They're going to get more efficient and brutal.

733
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: Well the fucking but no. But the other side is

734
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: like the Joker, you know, like they're like, what is it? No,

735
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: you know the joker from.

736
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: Batman a joke, the guy from the they call the

737
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: Center for Denver Nuggets.

738
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: The Joker keep going, well, I wouldn't know anything about

739
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: that because I hate sports. You know. He's like an

740
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: agent of chaos, right, He's like, just it does? What

741
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: the fuck? Ever? I think that's Uh, you can't have

742
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: like a rational this is this is like the Nazi thing, right,

743
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: This is like the the you can't be tolerant of

744
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: the intolerant, right, you can practice tolerance, right, that's a

745
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: good thing. But then when you go, well, but I

746
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: have to be tall, are into people who think that

747
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: I should not exist, Then you reach a kind of

748
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: like a threshold.

749
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: And I think that I don't describe that at at all.

750
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: That's where I go back to taking the leg you're

751
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 2: not standing on and beating somebody over the head with keeping.

752
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's a whole there's a whole set of

753
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: people that are like, we're trying to participate in this

754
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: like thing called reality and in in truth. And remember

755
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: we're not perfect all the time. And there's a bunch

756
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: of shitty democrats and people on the left who are

757
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: just as stupid and bad as people on the right.

758
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: But there are limits to and and ways of being

759
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: that they will never go into. They will never be like,

760
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: let's exterminate an entire set of people, like they're just

761
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: not going to say that. They're On the other hand,

762
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: on the flip side, there are people who are like,

763
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: we should have an only like a totally white nation,

764
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: like just a crazy, unhinged, fucking anti humanity statement.

765
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: Well that does border on extermination or right or just

766
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: like sending people off in boats.

767
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: You can't have like a healthy debate with those people. Yes,

768
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: because they're going to take every They're going to take

769
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: every possibility, everything they can use to create an environment

770
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: of shit. They're going to do it because they don't care.

771
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: It's kind of in sync with a lot of the

772
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: religious thinking of like this world doesn't matter, this life

773
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, and that there's something better waiting for you.

774
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Mike Pants believes in Yeah, we're you.

775
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: Know, it's like why the why do the evangelicals follow

776
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: a guy like Donald Trump? Some of the worst terrorists

777
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: in America are Evangelical Christians. Like, why we should interrogate that. Yeah,

778
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: there's it's just like any fundamentalist terrorism. But as a

779
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: matter of fact, they want it to come the rapture. Yeah, right, exactly,

780
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: there's this weird uh it's a death cult. Right anyhow, God,

781
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: we're way, we're so far afield. I don't even know

782
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: what we're talking about it anymore, but.

783
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: I think he's been fascinating. Oh well, I mean, we'd

784
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: certainly like to talk like top shelf stuff.

785
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.

786
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: I can't tell anymore our business. You're you're the cove

787
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: to me. You're the covasier Okay of podcasts?

788
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: Is that good? I'd rather be the top shelf. What's

789
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: that very expensive whiskey? It's like Pappy Pappy van Winkle.

790
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: Oh, there is a thing called Pappy van Winkle.

791
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Patty van Winkle is like the most expensive whiskey

792
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: you can buy. It's like a very rare special. It's

793
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: like a it's five thousand dollars a bottle or something. Wow. Yeah,

794
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: I'm the Pappy van Winkle of podcasting.

795
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: If this podcast clicks like in a big way, it's

796
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: not going to We're just rolling in the dough. Yeah, oh,

797
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to buy you a bottle that I.

798
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: Guess they haven't haven't given you the numbers. I don't

799
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: think you're in any danger of buying me a bottle

800
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: of Pappy Van Winkle. Let's put it that way.

801
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: Maybe a shot glass of Pappy.

802
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: Van Winkle maybe, yea, I think that's that's possible.

803
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: Do we have anything else? Do you have anything for me?

804
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: For you? Yeah, well I'm want to I know, I

805
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: you know it's I'm scared. I'm scared scared, And yeah,

806
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: why I don't understand. Don't get it such a rube. Listen,

807
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: you're a successful man. You've you've more than proven your value.

808
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: You've more than proven your your worth. You've you've made

809
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: incredible things you continue to influence to this day. You

810
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: have a circle of friends that love and adore you

811
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: and think the world of you.

812
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 2: Get a little choked up, get a little misty.

813
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: And employees that fear you, that cower and fear. I've

814
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: seen them in person. They absolutely don't even want to

815
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: walk a little bit in front of you because they're

816
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: they're afraid they'll get knocked down.

817
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: Don't look at me, don't eyeball me. I think often

818
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: I say to them, don't I ball me.

819
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: What I would ask you is what's missing? What don't

820
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: you have? What did you want that you haven't gotten?

821
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: You know, where is it? What is it?

822
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 2: Oh? God, I wish I could hansle that on the air.

823
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, name one thing that you wanted that you

824
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: haven't gotten.

825
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: Ugh, I can't pony in my backyard. I often use

826
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: that expression.

827
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: You could have it, though, nothing stomping you. Nothing stomping you.

828
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: By the way, I did say that to a friend

829
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: of mine one time, who I will not name him.

830
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: But the next day, there's a pony in your backyard.

831
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: He sent a pony into my office right exactly, This

832
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 2: is what I'm talking about. He did have a woman

833
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: bring a pony by and parade up and down my

834
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: hallway for about an hour.

835
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: You live in the life of a king. What is it?

836
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: Just?

837
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: I want you to say, I want to know. I

838
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: really want to know one thing you wanted or that

839
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: you've wanted really badly, truly, that you have not been

840
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: able to.

841
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: Get Uh, let's end it on this one. Yeah, having

842
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: a dad would have been good. Okay, that's you asked

843
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: for it. I gave him to. I mean that's good.

844
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: As a guy with a father, I got to say,

845
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: it's not that great. I mean he's fine. He's fine.

846
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 2: By the way, wherever your dad is right now, he

847
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: wins and he said to he said to your mom,

848
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: he's like, ugh, just so I got a little adjutant

849
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: my like my roop case.

850
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: They the more the more criticism in my family, the better,

851
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, he's in embracing it.

852
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: Well, maybe I should spend more time with your dad.

853
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: Well you didn't know your You didn't know your dad

854
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: at all.

855
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 2: Oh, let's not go there now, let's.

856
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: Get into it. Now, let's do it. No another two hours,

857
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: solve your all.

858
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: Your mother would be nice to have had. Yeah, Like, okay,

859
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: I was raised in a single parent fantastic mother household.

860
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look at look at what it look at

861
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: what it made you. So you wouldn't be if you're

862
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: with a dad, you might not be you to be honest,

863
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, think about it.

864
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: But mister butterfly effect, look at the the thing you

865
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 2: be killed they called the butterfly effect. Right, yeah, there

866
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: we go.

867
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: Well, no, but it's true. I mean, I'm sure it

868
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: drove you in all sorts of a different ways, just

869
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: like all of my failings and my needs and wants

870
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: have driven me in different ways.

871
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 2: Oh, I got one final question for you. Just popped

872
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: in my head earlier in the day. Let's do it

873
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: early in the conversation.

874
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: I'm ready.

875
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: You are king of the world. Okay, you're omniscient, You're omnipotent.

876
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: All right?

877
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: You are borderline godlike?

878
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: Am I immortal?

879
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: No? That has nothing doing well?

880
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean a god would be immortal, in my opinion.

881
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: Said borderline.

882
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm omnipotent. I'm omniscient, but not immortal.

883
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, not immortal, borderline god?

884
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: Like I have an expiry date.

885
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: You have one thing to fix in the world. What

886
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: would you fix one thing? I mean, like, can an agonize.

887
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: A mean thing? What do you mean thing?

888
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: Though?

889
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: Like?

890
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 2: Do you cure cancer? Do you get rid of guns?

891
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: Do you stop war? Do you it's only is it

892
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: only physical things? Or can I like remove a component

893
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: of humanity?

894
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 3: Oh?

895
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do that too. You're a near godlike

896
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: you can do pretty much whatever you want. One thing

897
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: you alter, change, eradicate one.

898
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: Here's what I would change, I think. I think it

899
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: would you know, who knows if it was only one thing,

900
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: who knows if it would work. I would make it

901
00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: so that every person could understand or sympathize with another person.

902
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: I would make it so that everybody was able to

903
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: feel empathetic towards another person. That's the thing I would change,

904
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: that there was a sense of empathy for another person

905
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: whenever they interacted with them in a desire to empathize

906
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: with them. I think that thing would probably fix a

907
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: lot of our problems in society. I don't think like

908
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: removing guns, somebody would just make a laser like you

909
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, they'd make up, they'd use bombs,

910
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: they'd use bows and arrows like or whatever. I'm not saying,

911
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: like it's that's the same thing. But guns would fix

912
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: a problem temporarily, but not permanently. A permanent fix would

913
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: be like if you could empathize with another person, If

914
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: everybody could empathize with the people around them, even the

915
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: people that seem to suck, I think it would go

916
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: a long way, you know, or like you know, I

917
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: don't know erased the emotion of hate, but I don't

918
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: think that's I'm not sure that would have the result

919
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: we wanted to be honest.

920
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 2: Okay, anyhow, I.

921
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: Don't know what would you do if you were omniscient

922
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: and omnipotent, soft and cuddly, what would you do? What

923
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 1: would you your one act?

924
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: My one act?

925
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: Big man?

926
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, big man, you sound like Dennis Hopper and Apocalypse.

927
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: Now what do you want me to say it was

928
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: a wise man?

929
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: What?

930
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think about you turning the tables on me.

931
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: That's right, baby, check it out. You're got to answer

932
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: this fucking question. Now, look at you, you're in the spotlight.

933
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: Well, there's so many things. You know, there's the obvious

934
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 2: you'd cure diseases, But uh, I do think that, as

935
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: difficult as it is to say, there's there's a Darwinian

936
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: nature to life that you you maybe shouldn't fuck with. No,

937
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: I would say, honestly, I think it's the rain in

938
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: the internet. Yes, I do.

939
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: I mean, like comparison, mind's way way better. I think

940
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: it's like not even I can't even calculate how much

941
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: cooler and better. My answer was to this, you're holier

942
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: than I'm in. I love people.

943
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: Look at TikTok last if that's the one thing. God,

944
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: now you're just now you're denigrating. That's this is not

945
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: a nice way.

946
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: They looked at their photo. There was a timer saying

947
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: enough Internet.

948
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: I think the Internet is the end of the world.

949
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: Now you just think that because you're aging.

950
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: I think an unregulated Internet is the end of the world.

951
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: That's what I think.

952
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: Regulated, unregulated, That's not our problem. Our problem is us.

953
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: It's not that thing we think. We always want to

954
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: put it in the object. We always want to say

955
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: it's the thing that makes it. So.

956
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: You think people are gonna get smarter, more educated.

957
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: People thought when they put radios in cars that people

958
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: are gonna drive off the fucking road because they were

959
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: so mesmerized by the magic box producing music that they

960
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: couldn't steer the car. And you know, it probably did

961
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: cause a few accidents, But over time we learned to

962
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: change the channel without plowing into a family.

963
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: I'm duly chastised. I'm gonna take mine back. I'm gonna

964
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: take mine.

965
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: Back all right.

966
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: Here is what I wish for the future.

967
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: What I would change, What you would change as a

968
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: godlike creature.

969
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: As a godlike creature, we would eat lollipops every day.

970
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: We would all have ponies in our backyard.

971
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: Okay, let's say several things.

972
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: I'm condescending right now to you. We would have you'd

973
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: wish wealth, great wealth on everybody, great emotional and physical

974
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: monetary wealth.

975
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're mocking me.

976
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 2: Now get eight hours of sleep a night.

977
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny, you're mocking me, but we agree.

978
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: I am mocking you, but we ultimately agree.

979
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm going to go back, I think

980
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: there's far more empathy in the world than you might think.

981
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's there's plenty of empathy, just not enough.

982
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: Just not enough. There isn't if we could, if people

983
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: were empathetic, they wouldn't act the way they act. It's hard,

984
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard to imagine what it's like for

985
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: somebody else. But I think that the more we can

986
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: do that, the better off humanity is.

987
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: Actually, you sold me on it. I agree with you.

988
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: I hate to be like all lovey dovey fucking hippie.

989
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: It was a little hippi hippiush for you.

990
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: But no, I know I'm disgusted with myself for even

991
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: saying that's just that. I'm like, everybody should be horny

992
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, No, I'm on board now.

993
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: You sold it to me. I I sounded like a rube.

994
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: I sounded like mister ten sixty is what I sounded like.

995
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: And uh and then it's just like, just like the

996
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: idea of that, You're like, if we could just live

997
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: at the internet, will be like if we can just

998
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: like you know, cancel America online, nobody can get an

999
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: account on AOL.

1000
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: We're all set, all right, Okay, no more, I'm shamed, almighty.

1001
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: Shut It's a very lovely It's kind of lovely. It's funny.

1002
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: You're like, just put the phone down.

1003
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: I'm off.

1004
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 1: Put the fucking phone.

1005
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: I'm often described as lovely. All right, anything else? When

1006
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: are we next talking?

1007
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope soon, because it's I can't

1008
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: go for too long without a little bit of this

1009
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: in my life.

1010
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 2: All right, professor says, how do you well?

1011
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: Once again, your interruption has been my pleasure.

1012
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, that that that I think is our show.

1013
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: I think that we've done far more than anyone was

1014
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: expecting to do. I had a whole show planned. In fact,

1015
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: I was going to spend several hours talking about my

1016
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: travel anxiety. But you know, I think there obviously, I

1017
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: think what we've learned there are more important things to

1018
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: focus on in this in this world and in this life,

1019
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: and we focused on some of those things just now.

1020
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that. I'm not sure why, I'm not

1021
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: sure how, But as usual, the Professor made it happen.

1022
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: All right. I got to get out of here, I

1023
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: got to have a lot to think about. But we'll

1024
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: be back next week with more what future, And as always,

1025
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: I wish you and your family the very best