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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And Welcome day on the Drive, m Dale LOLLI, he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and Well news this morning, the

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Speaker 2: Steelers have traded wide receiver George Pickens to the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers get a third round pick in next year's

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Speaker 2: draft in addition to a fifth round pick in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty seven. The Cowboys also get a sixth round pick

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty seven from the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I love the late pick swap. It's become such

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Speaker 3: an omar con thing. And it's exactly how I would

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Speaker 3: handle NFL trades as well. That's not the story here,

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Speaker 3: but it makes me chuckle. Did the same thing with

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Speaker 3: the Aunte, did the same thing with Pickett, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, all the time we're closed just well, we

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Speaker 3: swapped picks in a year or so. You know, no

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Speaker 3: reason to do it next year because youve got a bunch.

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Speaker 3: But you'll be happy by it around right, you know,

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Speaker 3: but big news. It was shocking to wake up to.

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Speaker 3: Of course, guy kind of thought once the draft had

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Speaker 3: come and gone. It's probably unlikely, but I can't say

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Speaker 3: I'm blown away. Anyways, they weren't going to pay him.

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Speaker 2: They weren't going to pay him. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I don't know what George's reaction to that would have been.

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Speaker 2: Not knowing that he's not going to get paid. People

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Speaker 2: had suggested maybe he would do a hold in in

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Speaker 2: training camp. I didn't think he would go that route

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Speaker 2: because he still wants to get paid in the league.

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Speaker 2: But the bottom line is is that he had become

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Speaker 2: I mean, how many times had Mike Tomlin been asked

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Speaker 2: after a game or during the week about something that

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Speaker 2: George had done a lot in the game or you

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Speaker 2: know that kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: And now there's a lot more that he wasn't asked about.

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Speaker 2: That being said, Pickens is a talented player. Extremely I

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Speaker 2: would have been very interested to see what the offense

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Speaker 2: looked like with DK Metcalf on one side and George

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Speaker 2: Pickens on you other. I'm not going to talk out

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Speaker 2: of both sides of my mind. I think that would

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Speaker 2: have been a very intriguing prospect. I don't again, as

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Speaker 2: I said before, I don't think you would have seen

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Speaker 2: with those two guys out there. But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: that you can't get that kind of production, slash play

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I cut to the chase. I think there's another

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Speaker 3: shoe to draw.

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Speaker 2: Yes, something else is going.

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Speaker 3: To happen, I would imagine, And I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: a Van Jefferson level. Now bring entire signscronic or you know.

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Speaker 3: I think it'll be something better than signing Robert Woods. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and we can talk through a million options, which will

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Speaker 3: be fun.

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Speaker 2: Robert Woods just covers your butt, right your butt.

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Speaker 3: Sign It's ok with or without Pickings. It's a fine

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Speaker 3: move whatever. But it's not a game changer. It's not

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Speaker 3: a feature player. It's not somebody that more or less

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Speaker 3: less never leaves the field like Pickens and Metcalf would have,

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Speaker 3: which no question would have been alluring. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure you've seen many fans saying, well, now the receiver

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Speaker 3: room looks just like last year. Kind of yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean I kind of, but not really better. But it's

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Speaker 3: kinda yeah, I mean I see where you're saying, look

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Speaker 3: at it. This way, I don't think or not.

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Speaker 2: We just did our segment earlier this week on how

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Speaker 2: we feel about the wide different every position on the

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Speaker 2: this time and this year at this time. I feel

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Speaker 2: better about Calvin Austin right now than I did a

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Speaker 2: year ago at this time. He is an actual NFL

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Speaker 3: I mean he's taking a step forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel I like Woods better than I

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Speaker 2: like what I got what they got from Jefferson.

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Speaker 3: They're probably the same tier. But I hear what you're saying, ironic.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't on the team I have. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: don't know much about Roman Wilson, but I'll say this.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: DK metcalf has had some incidents in his career of

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Speaker 2: explosiveness in terms of penalties, and he's got a lot

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Speaker 3: Like I keep hearing, DK Metcalf's a diva, He's a

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Speaker 3: selfish guy, I don't think so. I think he gets

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Speaker 2: He's gotten flag for it.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think he's the distraction on Tuesday Wednesday

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Speaker 3: on the sidelines in the locker room that Pickens was,

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Speaker 3: or in terms of popularity in the locker room. I

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Speaker 3: think DK is going to win that contest. We'll believe

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Speaker 3: it at that. Yeah, right, you know, I mean I

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Speaker 3: don't know the Pickings had to go, but he was going.

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Speaker 3: And whether it's a year from now or now, you know,

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Speaker 2: To your point about why it happened now and not

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Speaker 2: before or during the draft, I think other teams knew that.

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Speaker 3: I think Dallas wanted the big dude out of Arizona.

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Speaker 3: I think they wanted Tet McMillan. Well, I think that.

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Speaker 3: I think right before the draft. Yeah, Jerry Jones comes out.

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Speaker 3: So we got a couple of trades in the works.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they were talking with the Steelers that immediately

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Speaker 3: picked by Answers. I'm like, Okay, they need a receiver,

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Speaker 3: they need a receiver. The Steelers could be potentially in

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Speaker 3: the market for you know to move a receiver here.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think that the Cowboys at that time

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Speaker 3: think it was Justina Anderson said they were offering more

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Speaker 2: Know which, all right, I'm not I'm not interested in

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Speaker 3: Like I liked Eric and your minor or you know,

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Speaker 3: I would rather have the assets for later to maybe

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Speaker 3: go get a veteran names that we'll talk about, you know.

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Speaker 3: And if I'm the Cowboys man, I think I got

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Speaker 3: a shot at Timac here. That's who I really want.

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Speaker 3: Obviously they didn't want Golden. We could probably call Marii

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Speaker 3: Pickins highly motivated opening room for Lamb. It makes a

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Speaker 3: lot of sense to me for Dallas. If Dallas after

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Speaker 3: so it's a minimal investment for them, which could pay

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Speaker 3: For the Steelers, if you were not insistent, but strongly

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Speaker 3: under the motivation that after the met Half trade that

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Speaker 3: he's not going to be here long or he's on

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Speaker 3: between now an opening day. Contrary to popular belief, oh not,

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Speaker 3: what are they gonna do?

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Speaker 2: They got a lot of time to figure that out,

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Speaker 2: and they have they have a lot more draft capital

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Speaker 3: Too right, They're not going to make all those picks

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Speaker 2: They are not. And you know, again, this goes back

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Speaker 2: to the whole plan part of this process. You know,

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Speaker 2: if you had traded I'm just calling up this year's draft,

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Speaker 2: if you had traded him for a.

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Speaker 3: Four, yeah, Cowboys fourth or whatever.

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Speaker 2: The Cowboys four would have been. I'm just looking to

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Speaker 2: see who was available here. Did they even own there

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Speaker 2: for doesn't look like they did. Yeah, okay, so Carolina

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Speaker 2: used that pick. I don't know when they traded them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they ended up with it. But okay, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: On Trevor atm It was one hundred and fourteenth pick

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Speaker 2: in the draft. George Pickens for the one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fourteenth pick in the draft.

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Speaker 3: In this draft, uh huh, yeah, I get it done.

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Speaker 2: And now I'm looking here to see a wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: Rich draft receivers. Now, the Steelers took Jack Sawyer at

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Speaker 2: one twenty three, Like.

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Speaker 3: I immediately thought, maybe Sawyer wouldn't have been the pick there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: who knows, I mean, there would have been a butterfly effect.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Royals went to the Chiefs at one thirty three.

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Speaker 2: He felt that would be kind of intriguing, even though

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Speaker 2: when at one thirty six, Yeah, I knew they were

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Speaker 2: the two guys I thought too, that fell more than

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Speaker 2: your thought. But those guys aren't one for one replacements

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Speaker 2: for George Pickens.

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Speaker 3: Not even close, not even closed. And that would it

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Speaker 3: would be a you still would be looking.

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Speaker 2: You would still be looking at for a veteran player.

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Speaker 3: Would you would be broken hearted if one of those

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Speaker 3: of those players, so they'd be like a Roman Wilson. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's and maybe just maybe the Steelers looked

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Speaker 2: this time, it's pretty easy excited about guys on draft day.

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Speaker 2: But the problem with rookies is you have no track

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Speaker 2: record with them. No, no, I mean, right, they get

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Speaker 2: play through injuries. Yeah, in the case of Royals, he's

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Speaker 3: Ability to learn, right, just all that stuff press man coverage,

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Speaker 3: She didn't We didn't see a lot of it, but

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Speaker 3: we think he can do it. Well, maybe he can't

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Speaker 3: So again, if they're done, if this is the wide

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Speaker 3: And but I really think there's another shoe to drop.

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Speaker 2: And so you start looking at again. So now going

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Speaker 2: into next year's draft, they got their first, Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: got a second, three thirds, three thirds, right, three thirds,

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Speaker 2: two four's, two fives, two six and a seventh.

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Speaker 3: And a seventh. You're not gonna make all that They're

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Speaker 3: not going to make all those picks. And everyone obviously

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Speaker 3: we've talked this to no end. Two. Next draft very

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Speaker 3: well could be the quarterback draft for the Steelers. You know,

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Speaker 3: move up, go get Josh Allen Mahomes hopefully, but fifth

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Speaker 3: and six and fourth don't get you real far in

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Speaker 3: the first round.

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Speaker 2: No, get you a veteran player.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they can get your veteran player. I mean between now,

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Speaker 3: in the trade deadline, you can get a lot for

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Speaker 2: At yeah, especially, and people might say what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: you wouldn't take you wouldn't have taken a fourth for

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Speaker 2: George Pickens. There's a difference here.

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Speaker 3: There's a big difference.

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Speaker 2: He's a player who's still in his rookie contract, right,

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Speaker 2: as opposed to paying some salary for a guy. Right,

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Speaker 3: That happens all the time.

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Speaker 2: And the same with you know, the the a little

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Speaker 3: A lot of name brand dudes going for six and

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Speaker 3: Yeah that all of a sudden, Boy, he's a big

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Speaker 2: The receivers did move last year.

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Speaker 3: I know the Steelers didn't land any and there were

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Speaker 2: The guys that they were talking about trying to get,

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Speaker 3: Right now, you could have been one if they were.

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Speaker 3: Those are the three for me, and let's break them

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Speaker 3: He has some similarities play style to Pickens, and that

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Speaker 2: But if I put him out there with DK Metcalf,

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Speaker 3: He can get downfield.

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Speaker 3: So I did a lot of Amari Cooper homework this morning,

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Speaker 3: And frankly, Matt said, I don't know if he's he

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Speaker 2: Now, I thought at the time that he's jumping on

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Speaker 2: But he may not don't even wanted to go there.

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Speaker 3: You may not want to go back. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't cost you a draft pick. He's a weird career,

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Speaker 2: He's still a Jet. He just took a pay cut

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Speaker 3: I knew there was stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's Aaron Rodgers buddy. He's will be

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Speaker 2: He's proven with Aaron rod He's caught a lot of touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: He's had a better career than you think. And he's

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's not like, oh the room's great now again for

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Speaker 3: This list is more interesting that there have a cost

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too. I mean their first pick was

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Speaker 2: It was a if you trade, everyone got fired, and

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Speaker 3: I would say, I don't know his contract, but they

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Speaker 2: His base salary This year is twenty point sixty five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they might want that off the books.

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Speaker 2: Next year it's twenty three point four eighty five. Okay,

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Speaker 2: the following year it's twenty three point four eighty five.

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Speaker 2: The following year after that, twenty three point four eighty five.

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Speaker 3: And so they did that. They've done that, and twenty

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Speaker 3: Yes, with a lot of guaranteed money in the deal

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Speaker 3: I don't know if the Bears would move them or not.

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Speaker 3: I love that for the Steears. That's the best fit

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Speaker 3: We love them. Their moves.

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Speaker 3: Right? I mean, if I'm the Bears, how about that

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Speaker 3: and of course Omar will be like, well, we'll do

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Speaker 2: And essentially you be trading George Pickens for DJ Moore.

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Speaker 3: That'd be great fine for the Steelers. Yeah, and you're

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Speaker 3: you know, like they wouldn't have to be done either.

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to think the teams that might move

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Speaker 3: Mixed feelings about that one because he had a back stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's not that expensive, really, eighteen million this year, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Coming off kind of a down year. But he's not bold.

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Speaker 3: They might need capital for a quarterback. They've got a

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Speaker 3: he's tough, He's like a better of Juju to me,

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Speaker 3: with more outside capability.

438
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Speaker 2: Now, another one that you mentioned, Tyreek Hill. The problem

439
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 2: with Tyreek Hill A he's thirty one right now. His

440
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 2: base salary is just ten million dollars. But for Miami

441
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 2: to move him, it would cost it. It's a fifty

442
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 2: six point nine million dollar capit. They get a lot

443
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Speaker 2: of dead money there.

444
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he has some allegations out there, and that

445
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Speaker 3: wouldn't help the drama in your building any anymore. And

446
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,120
Speaker 3: I think he's declining. I mean, but his injuries were

447
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 3: like a broken arm or something last year. It was

448
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 3: something upper body. But you can still scoot and you

449
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 3: would never see anybody in the box with him in Metcape.

450
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,120
Speaker 3: But that's a ball little move. Yeah, I mean, I'm and.

451
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Speaker 2: See the Dolphins doing that, just because I don't know

452
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Speaker 2: if they can take on that that kind of dead cap.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

454
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 3: I don't think they're in the point where.

455
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 2: It would cost it would actually cost them twenty seven

456
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Speaker 2: million dollars.

457
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Speaker 4: Ye.

458
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if that's worth it

459
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Speaker 3: for them, because I think their seats getting hot too.

460
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Speaker 2: And they need to win Jacoby Myers. I think everybody

461
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Speaker 2: who's regular listeners to the show know are our appreciation

462
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Speaker 2: of Jacoby.

463
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 3: He's a real solid number two.

464
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Speaker 2: His cap hit this year is ten point five million.

465
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Speaker 3: Okah.

466
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Speaker 2: They would actually save by releasing him about six million

467
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Speaker 2: in cap space.

468
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Speaker 3: Which I think they have a lot. But I don't

469
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Speaker 3: know if he's in their long term plans.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna be He's twenty nine.

471
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Speaker 3: Beash is a little bit like him already.

472
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

473
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just drafted.

474
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Speaker 2: If they get through. Let's let's say they get into

475
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Speaker 2: their their camp here and they say, you know what,

476
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 2: this bet kid's pretty good. Hm, we can roll with this.

477
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 3: Bowers is there one? Yeah, the offense is gonna go

478
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 3: to run the ball anyway. Yeah, it's gonna go through

479
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 3: gent you know. I just think he wouldn't be that

480
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 3: hard to pry away.

481
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Speaker 2: Yeah, then I would certainly be interested in that.

482
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

483
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Speaker 2: I don't see Brandon Ayu getting No.

484
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 3: I don't either. I threw him out there, but I don't.

485
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Speaker 3: I think he's the least likely to move.

486
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Speaker 2: Here's so his cap hit this year for the forty

487
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 2: nine ers, he's just nine point nine million dollars next year.

488
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 2: Sign him next year is fifteen point three. His base

489
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: salaries make him very attractive, but he's not going to

490
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Speaker 2: be back until the middle of the season.

491
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Speaker 3: I know, I know.

492
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Speaker 2: So you're not gonna you're not going to make a

493
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Speaker 2: trade for him.

494
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Speaker 3: It's pretty rare for someone to sign the week before,

495
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Speaker 3: you know, the summer before, right, and then get dealt.

496
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Speaker 2: But could you get Christian kirk now off of I

497
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: think that'd be an easy one. They gave up a

498
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Speaker 2: I think a seven, a seven for him.

499
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Speaker 3: Because remember the Jags were going to cut him and then, yeah,

500
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: they would never trade him in division. Otherwise they go

501
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: one offer, We'll give you a seven for him instead

502
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Speaker 3: of cutting them.

503
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Speaker 2: I think you could go go to Houston and say, hey,

504
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: we'll give you a six. We'll give you a six

505
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 2: or they're feeling good about that even if it's you know,

506
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 2: they just drafted the two Iowa State kids. They drafted

507
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: both Iowa State. Because his base salary this year is

508
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: only one point twenty five to five million, it doesn't

509
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 2: even affect your salary cap, but.

510
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Speaker 3: It doesn't hurt at all. I mean, he's more slot,

511
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 3: but he can handle the outside. He's better than what

512
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 3: you got. He's clearly your two.

513
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: They were gonna trade for him last year. It's the deadline.

514
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 3: I would say, there's already been interest. I mean to me,

515
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Speaker 3: that'd be a pretty easy one. If it's a fifth,

516
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Speaker 3: you gonna turn your seventh into a fifth? All right,

517
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 3: we'll do it.

518
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 2: We'll give you all, give you a five, you give

519
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Speaker 2: us a six.

520
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Speaker 3: How about a pick swap?

521
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're getting into the fifth roll.

522
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Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah, I think that one could easily happen.

523
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Speaker 2: And it clears out your room a little bit. Yeah yeah,

524
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Speaker 2: yeah know, it opens up some spots for these young

525
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: guys that you just drafted. Yeah, did you really plan

526
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: on you in your uniform before? Why not move them?

527
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 3: Right? You had him for a little bit, you upgraded

528
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 3: your your pick. I'm sure their plan was not we're

529
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 3: gonna drink that, we're gonna draft both Iowa State kids.

530
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: It was we like them both, and he's still there.

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Speaker 3: Let's get the other one too. You know Packers also

532
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: drafted too. Watson's basically outpa these he's done.

533
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna.

534
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Speaker 3: Don't even think about him, but I think Romeo Dobbs,

535
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Speaker 3: who I don't I think you can get do. I

536
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 3: think you could get Dobbs. That would be the name.

537
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 3: And I think Rogers played with him for a year. Yeah,

538
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: you know, so good or bad, but I think they're

539
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 3: the factors in. He's fine. I don't love him, but

540
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Speaker 3: I think he's a I'd rather Myers, but I think

541
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Speaker 3: he's good. I mean, I think he's.

542
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Speaker 2: A right if you're looking at it, Dobbs versus Lizard.

543
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll probably take the younger guys. Yeah, i'd rather Myers.

544
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 3: I'd rather have a couple of these bigger names. But

545
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: it's not bad, and he's young.

546
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Speaker 2: And he's been productive in that offense, you know, so

547
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have a problem with that.

548
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 3: I don't think I had any other names. I think

549
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 3: that's about.

550
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: It, And there'll be some guys as we get into

551
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: the again, once teams get these rookies into their ota

552
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: sessions and start Okay, this kid's learning pretty fast. Yeah, yeah,

553
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: I think we can maybe move on from this veteran

554
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: guy or anything. Those are going to happen. Those are

555
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 2: going to happen. So I think there's some options you

556
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: know that probably more so than what there were last year.

557
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Speaker 3: Probably, and definitely you know, it's a long night way

558
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: down the road, but trade deadline there'll be a lot

559
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 3: more because there'll be teams that think they're in it

560
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 3: that aren't. You know, if that's something you want to

561
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 3: do and you can get something better than Mike Williams edition, Yeah.

562
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Anyways, let's get to a break.

563
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Speaker 2: We'll continue discussing this later in the show, but when

564
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Speaker 2: we come back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we got the.

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Speaker 2: Dina Doom, the Lord of Living in his Fears. Bob

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Speaker 2: Labriela joins us right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

569
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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly. He is

572
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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and you'll recognize from the music. We

573
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Speaker 2: are now joined by the Dean of Doom, the Lord

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Speaker 2: of Living in his Fears, Bob Labriola. How you doing, Labs.

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Speaker 4: Well, I was going to be in a good mood

576
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 4: and then you know, the organ music started and so

577
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Speaker 4: I guess now I'll go back to the other persona Bob.

578
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Speaker 2: The Steelers making a little bit of news this morning

579
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Speaker 2: by dealing a certain wide receiver away to the Dallas Boys.

580
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: Of all teams, George Pickens, now a member of the

581
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys, catch you by surprise something you expected.

582
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Speaker 4: I think it's something in between. It didn't catch me

583
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 4: by surprise, but it's not something I expected. I thought

584
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 4: that if it was gonna happen, it would have happened

585
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 4: during the draft. Maybe, but who knows. Maybe Jerry Jones

586
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 4: didn't want to meet the price until he saw what

587
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 4: he got in the draft, which you know, teams do

588
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 4: that sometimes, and you know, in terms of the actual event,

589
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: you know, maybe that there are some things that we

590
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 4: don't know, you know, like what George pickens mindset was,

591
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 4: what his plans were for, you know, training camp, all

592
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 4: of that kind of stuff. And so I think that,

593
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 4: you know, it was time he didn't seem to be growing.

594
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 4: Maturing maybe is the better word. And you know, you

595
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 4: don't want I don't think you want to wait until

596
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 4: the trading deadline, you know, because I would think then

597
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 4: that the the return would be even less because this

598
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: is a guy who would be is going into the

599
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 4: final year of his rookie contract in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: And if you're a team that gets him trading deadline

601
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 4: is what November late October. Yeah, okay, you know you

602
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 4: would be renting him for you know, less than half

603
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 4: a season, half a regular season, So I mean, I

604
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 4: don't know what you could get for him then, really,

605
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 4: So I don't think that this is the end. I

606
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 4: think Omar Kahn maybe has some other things up his sleeve,

607
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 4: or you know, he's working on some other things. I

608
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 4: don't think that the Steelers go to training camp with

609
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 4: the cores of wide receivers that they currently have on

610
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 4: the roster. I think that there would be something else

611
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: happening at that position. Again, that's again, that's what I think.

612
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 4: I don't know anything. It just would seem to me that, Yeah,

613
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 4: and I don't know that they have enough numbers for

614
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 4: camp anyway at that position. I mean, those guys do

615
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 4: a lot of running. I'm sure that some of the

616
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 4: ones that they have on the roster currently, you know,

617
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 4: Danny Smith is going to have some plans for them

618
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 4: at training camp too, So you know, you don't want

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Speaker 4: to wear these guys out. They get saw fissue injuries

620
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 4: in there there. They can't they can't even help you

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Speaker 4: on a practice field. So that's why I'm thinking, you know,

622
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Speaker 4: there's going to be something else that happens between now

623
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Speaker 4: and the.

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Speaker 3: End of your labs. Do you think it's safe to

625
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 3: say that the Steelers just weren't interested in giving him

626
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Speaker 3: a long term contract?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know that that's certainly what is

628
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Speaker 4: indicated by this, because if they were, you know, well

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Speaker 4: our Rooney did say in January that there were no

630
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 4: plans to extend him this year. Yeah, so, and I

631
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Speaker 4: don't know how George Pickens would have reacted to that,

632
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 4: or if he has already reacted to that, and we

633
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 4: don't know. So, you know, again, as I said, I

634
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 4: think that this might be the best realistic outcome for this.

635
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 4: I mean, it would have been great to have Pickens

636
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Speaker 4: team in with DK Metcalf and giving the offense a

637
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 4: you know what I would call a legitimate you know,

638
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 4: one two punch at wide receiver, a couple of NFL

639
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 4: caliber athletic, big play people. But I mean, you know,

640
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 4: if it's not real, what's the point.

641
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just didn't know. And again, after three years

642
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: of dealing with George Pickens. Quite honestly, you never knew

643
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: what to expect from not just game the game, but

644
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: even sometimes day to day in terms of and I

645
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: don't want to say that he was necessarily a you know,

646
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: he wasn't out, you know, driving at one hundred miles

647
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: an hour on on the roads or anything like that,

648
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: or you know, getting in trouble off the field. But

649
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: there were issues, and you know, some of it maturity issues.

650
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: And they had three years for him to try to

651
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: work through some of those maturity issues, and they obviously

652
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: felt that they didn't see enough growth there.

653
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I also think, you know, to be fair,

654
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 4: changing offensive coordinators, revolving quarterback sure that that's certainly didn't

655
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: that's not conducive to a wide receiver developing, and especially

656
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 4: a mercurial guy like Pickens. You know, I think that

657
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 4: just added to the fact that he didn't settle in

658
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: from a maturity standpoint. So, you know, as I said,

659
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 4: I just think that the reality of the moment where

660
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 4: we are now with both the team and the player,

661
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 4: you know, I think that this was a decent return

662
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 4: on the guy, probably the best you are going to

663
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 4: get for someone because again, even now Okay, he's he's

664
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 4: traded to the Cowboys. He's going into the final year

665
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 4: of his rookie contract, right. Whatever he wanted from the

666
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 4: Steelers in terms of money and length and that kind

667
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 4: of stuff, you know, he's gonna want from Dallas too,

668
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 4: I would imagine. And you know, Dallas has you know,

669
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons to deal with in terms of a contract

670
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 4: extension this year, you know, and what we've seen historically

671
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 4: or recent history anyway, Jerry Jones isn't someone who you know,

672
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 4: gets these things done well in advance either, So you

673
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 4: know who knows what's gonna happen with that, you know.

674
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 4: And again that's he's in Dallas. That's the NFC. Let

675
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 4: Vic Fangio worry about him.

676
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: Obviously depends who's available. But would you think they're still

677
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: in the market for a bigger downfield threat, you know,

678
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: I mean a field stretcher, go up and get a guy.

679
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 4: I think that what you said first is you know

680
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 4: the reality depending on what's available. I mean, you know,

681
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 4: you can want whatever you want, but if you.

682
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: Go to the store and there's only green paint.

683
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not really interested in a Roman Wilson Austin

684
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: sized guy.

685
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 4: Well again, I don't even know who's available. I mean

686
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 4: as a Roman Wilson Austin sized guy. And I'm just

687
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 4: picking out a name here, Amari Cooper. What size is he?

688
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: He's much more of a bigger on the line of

689
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 3: scrimmage man beater two pounder, you know.

690
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 4: Okay, well, because that seems to me to be kind

691
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 4: of what's out there, you know, and there's the ridiculous

692
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 4: ones Odell Beckham and you know that kind of stuff.

693
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know whoever it is. It has

694
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 4: to be someone. You've got to bring someone in in

695
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: my opinion, who you know, is physically capable of practicing

696
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 4: and lasting. You know, I don't I don't want any

697
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 4: often injured or guy's coming off serious in injuries, elderly

698
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 4: in terms of football years, you know that kind of stuff,

699
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 4: because that's just problems waiting to happen. And you know

700
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 4: my understanding, well, at least this is the way it

701
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 4: used to be. If a team picks up a player,

702
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: passes him on the physical and signs him to a contract,

703
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 4: If that player then after his career is over and

704
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 4: doesn't play for any other team, if there's injury grievances

705
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 4: that falls on the last team that passed him on

706
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 4: the physical. So, in other words, you could be paying

707
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 4: for all of Odell Beckham's previous injuries if that's the

708
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 4: way you decide to go if it doesn't work out.

709
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 4: So you know, those are things you got to think

710
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 4: about too in doing these things. So, as I said,

711
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: I don't know what's out there, the Steelers medical team

712
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 4: is going to have to be involved, you know, And

713
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 4: I just don't know that this is me again personally,

714
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 4: I know that I want a guy in his thirties

715
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 4: with an injury history who's looking for maybe a one

716
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 4: year deal, and then I get stuck hold in the

717
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: bag after you know, when it's all over.

718
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 2: After his ten year career. Well but most of which

719
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: was played somewhere else.

720
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, so uh, those are those are things I

721
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: think that are going to be at play as the

722
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 4: Steelers are looking Omark con bleeding away, you know, combing

723
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 4: the the shelves in the store for someone to add

724
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 4: to the roster at that position.

725
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: Well, Bob, here's one thing we do know now after

726
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: this trade, the Steelers have their first Next year, they

727
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: have a second. They now have three third round draft

728
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: picks next year two fourths if the if the compensatory

729
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: formulas are correct, two fifths, two six and a seven.

730
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 2: By my math, that's twelve draft picks. I don't see

731
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: them making twelve draft picks next year. So, you know,

732
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, certainly trading for another player

733
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: would would be on the docket or be something that

734
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: they could perhaps look into, you mean now now, yeah,

735
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: or after OTAs or after.

736
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 3: You know, right, yeah, who knows him?

737
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: Maybe you know, maybe you save him for next offseason,

738
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 4: or maybe you save him for you know, when Roger

739
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 4: Goodell steps to the stage there outside of Akrasure Stadium

740
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 4: on April whatever the date is going to be, twenty third.

741
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: I think that's a guess that sounds right.

742
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: And says, you know, the twenty twenty six NFL Draft

743
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 4: is now open. The Browns were on.

744
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 2: The He's never said that before.

745
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 4: He couldn't couldn't resist, But you know, maybe that's maybe

746
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 4: that's the plan. Again, I don't know, Yes, Steal, you

747
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 4: could be right, maybe I could be right. But what

748
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 4: were I definitely think we agree on is draft picks. Yeah, well,

749
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 4: but twelve draft picks. You're just drafting guys to cut

750
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 4: them if you're making twelve picks.

751
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 3: Nice problem to have, though, I mean they've accumulated these

752
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: by design through the comp game and part of the plan.

753
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: Part of the plan, right, you know, they all these

754
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: nice resources to have. You could trade up in rounds,

755
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 3: You could trade them for picks the next year. You

756
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: could use them at the trade deadline to get whatever

757
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: I like. Where they're sitting, you know, in terms of

758
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 3: just future draft capital, slash a lot of cap space too,

759
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 3: So they have a lot of options ahead, right.

760
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 4: And it's going to be certainly fun for you know,

761
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: the purveyors of mock.

762
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 3: Drafts and all that stuff next year.

763
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 4: If they do, if they do, you know, get through

764
00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 4: this season with you know, the same number. But the

765
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 4: one thing I just want to point this out. You

766
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 4: guys may know this, but maybe some listeners do not.

767
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 4: You cannot trade those compensatory right, you don't know the

768
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 4: actually awarded, right. So that's a couple of weeks before

769
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 4: the draft usually, and that's a you know, a general

770
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 4: time frame before those become official. So some of the threes,

771
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 4: some of the fours, we may be looking at them

772
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: now as you know, likely compensatory picks, but until they're official.

773
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 4: You can't throw them into any trades.

774
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: You have to trade your own pick.

775
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: You know, the Steelers four Dallas they've got they've got

776
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: some extra stuff here. One thing that Matt and I

777
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: have talked about a lot here, Bob, is every time

778
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: Omar Khan makes a trade, every every single one of them,

779
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: there'll be the main compensation. And you, like, you look

780
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: at the DK Metcalf trade as an example, you traded

781
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: the two, but then you flip flop picks in the

782
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: later rounds you get you get there five for your six,

783
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 2: or there's you're there're six for your seven. Every single

784
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: time he does this, it's like it's just a little

785
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 2: give me a little something something.

786
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 3: At the end of this, I feel like they almost

787
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 3: got a deal and he's like, well, let me give

788
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: you our seventh for your six, and that'll steal it.

789
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 3: And who's just say no to that? Yeah?

790
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 4: Right? And he doesn't add the other way too. When

791
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 4: you're trying to get something from someone, you kind of

792
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 4: mitigate what you're giving by doing the same thing. Like

793
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 4: I think the Herbie trade was that the draft day trade.

794
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 4: It was a late switch of picks that was adding

795
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 4: on when you the Skiers wanted to move into that

796
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 4: round and move up in that round to pick Nick Krbing.

797
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's again, I think it's a nice, nice

798
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 4: way to approach things. And as I couldn't tell which

799
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 4: one of you said this, but yeah, why not?

800
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, little something next year? You know who's gonna

801
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 3: say at all?

802
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 4: And it's not that much you know, to ask for

803
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 4: or to give, you know, depending upon which side of

804
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 4: it you're on.

805
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: Two years from now is in this trade. But you'll

806
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: be happy you have that fifth you know.

807
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, that's another thing that makes it somewhat painless.

808
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 4: Right it's two years away, Yeah, yeah, you know.

809
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just an interesting approach to this.

810
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 4: Bob.

811
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: Rookie Mini camp opens up this weekend. This will be

812
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: the first opportunity for the Steelers coaching staff to get

813
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: a look at the draft picks and you know, some

814
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: of the undrafted guys. One thing it always kind of

815
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: flies under the raiders. They'll bring in guys for tryouts

816
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: and Terrence Garvin's one that made it coming out of

817
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: a rookie tryout, Like I couldn't remember if there's anybody

818
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: else off the top of my head that that made

819
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: the team coming and not just made the like, was

820
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: invited back. And Darrence Scarvin stuck with the team for

821
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: three years and played six years in the NFL coming out.

822
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 4: Of a jupon ward last year.

823
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he was a veteran guy. But yeah, I mean, well,

824
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: I mean he was a rookie mini camp guy.

825
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 4: You're allowed to have so many quote unquote veterans who

826
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: are unsigned on your rookie mini camp roster. But you

827
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 4: know who didn't make it Duck Hadges, right, right, I mean,

828
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 4: and that was only after Ben you know, his elbow

829
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 4: blew up, but the Steelers went back to him. So yeah,

830
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 4: you know, rookie mini camp is interesting to me always,

831
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 4: you know, if for no other reason, you know, I

832
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: like to mess with Danny Smith about this, because you

833
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 4: have to have a punter, a place kicker, a long snapper,

834
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 4: and a holder.

835
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: And.

836
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 4: Because if you don't, you can't practice. And if they're

837
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 4: not competent, at least not even NFL caliber, but competent,

838
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 4: then you can't get anything done because then you're just

839
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 4: using the jugs machine, you know, for kickoffs and punts,

840
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 4: and that doesn't really you know, you want to run.

841
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: Some you want to simulate a practice so that your

842
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 2: rookies that are going to be on the roster actually

843
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: understand what a practice is going to look like.

844
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: Offensive linemen on the.

845
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 4: Field, and and uh, you know your your coaches too

846
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 4: want to.

847
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 5: See right and so yeah, you want to put them

848
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 5: through a legitimate, a legitimate at least training camp practice replication.

849
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's you know, putting this roster together

850
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 4: is is not necessarily an easy thing. I think the

851
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 4: Steelers are fortunate a couple of reasons. Will Howard. You've

852
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 4: got to you know, you got one quarterback that is

853
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 4: capable of practicing, you know, at this time of the

854
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: off season, and you signed Ben Sauls, the pit place kicker,

855
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 4: as an undrafted rookie, so you know you've got a

856
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 4: couple of things going for you right there. One of

857
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 4: the things that's interesting too is Ben Sauls is a

858
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 4: left handed kicker. Left footed kicker. Excuse me, So whoever

859
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 4: you're you got holding, maybe you need two holders if

860
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 4: a guy has never done it left for a left

861
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 4: footed guy.

862
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: Wouffer.

863
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. So anyway, I'm not saying that it's going

864
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: to be and a really revealing weekend in terms of

865
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 4: what we may see on Chuck Nollfield in late July

866
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 4: up at Saint Vincent College. But you know, for those

867
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 4: of us who are going to be there and need to,

868
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 4: you know, kill some time watching something, you know it'll

869
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Speaker 4: be well. I don't want to get carried away and

870
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Speaker 4: say it'll be interesting, but it might occupy a little

871
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Speaker 4: bit of the hour and a half or whatever we're

872
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Speaker 4: out there watching.

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Speaker 2: It'll be the first of I don't know, one hundred

874
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Speaker 2: and fifty football practices that I watch over the next

875
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Speaker 2: eight months. Yeah, yeah, something along those lines. Our guest

876
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: has been Bob Labriola, editor of Steeler's Digesting Steelers dot com.

877
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: We appreciate labs stopping by every Wednesday, as he does.

878
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Speaker 2: The Dean of Doom, the Lord of Living in his

879
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Speaker 2: fearsal a good mood today, Bob, Well, you know I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I didn't hear the organ music until later on in

881
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Speaker 4: the in my appearance. So as I said I was,

882
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 4: I heard that here we go Steelers thing, and I thought, well, okay,

883
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Speaker 4: I'll uh, I'll be my more optimistic sonny self.

884
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Speaker 2: Anyways, we'll let you go, Bob to it, though I

885
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 2: will see you on Friday yeah, over at the rookie minicamp.

886
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: Can't wait for that to happen to get eyes on

887
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Speaker 2: some of these guys. He is Matt Williamson. I am

888
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Speaker 2: Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here on the

889
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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be back with

890
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: more right after this.

891
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 4: As he is.

892
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Speaker 1: The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on your

893
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Speaker 1: twenty four to seven Home of the Black and Gold

894
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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio.

895
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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolli. He is

896
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt. Of course, we're talking a

897
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: lot about the George Pickens trade today and I had

898
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: to laugh a little bit today. I can't remember where

899
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: I was reading, but somebody was writing about the trade obviously.

900
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

901
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: Then they're talking about how Brian Schottenheimer, and look, I'm

902
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 2: as big a Marty Schottenheimer fan as you. Oh yeah,

903
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: I know, great guy, great great. But his son, Brian

904
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: is now the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys has

905
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Speaker 2: never been a head coach before.

906
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: Now it's an interesting endeavor to take on.

907
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: And now you're adding George Pickens to that locker room.

908
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're always under more of a spotlight

909
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: than any other team. Your owner is highly involved and

910
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: does radio shows and whatnot. Expectations are high. It's a lot.

911
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: It's a lot to add to the plate of a

912
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: rookie head coach, and that's what he is. He's been

913
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator for a long time.

914
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but he's never.

915
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: Been the head guy. And they're talking about how he's

916
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: trying to change the culture in Dallas, and I'm like,

917
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 2: good luck with that.

918
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 3: Right, I think the culture in Dallas is only changed

919
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: by one guy, and he's up in age and he's

920
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: pretty happy with how it's going, you know. I mean,

921
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Speaker 3: and McCarthy was good at those things. McCarthy's been a

922
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Speaker 3: head coach for a long time and he can handle

923
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Speaker 3: all those things. We'll see if Schottenheimer can. Now. George

924
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: is really young. I guess he just turned twenty three,

925
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 3: like this week or something.

926
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Speaker 2: Oh, he's like super young, super young.

927
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Speaker 3: Caame the league really really young. There's a lot of

928
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 3: room as a human to mature and maybe.

929
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Speaker 2: Absolutely and for George's sake, I hope, I hope it happened.

930
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Speaker 3: I hope it's a little bit eye open to him

931
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Speaker 3: or heck, even if he fakes it and just on

932
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Speaker 3: his best behavior for a season to go get a

933
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Speaker 3: big payday on the open market. Whatever.

934
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Speaker 2: But it could be volatile. He's not going to be

935
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Speaker 2: their number one receiver. He's not is going to get

936
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Speaker 2: targeted with the football. Now. Last season, pickings averaged just

937
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: under seven and a half targets per game.

938
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Speaker 3: It's pretty good, yeah.

939
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Speaker 2: It Obviously it spiked a little bit more with Russell

940
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: Wilson at quarterback as he rose to Justine. So probably

941
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Speaker 2: with Russell Wilson it was probably closer to eight to

942
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Speaker 2: nine targets per game.

943
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Speaker 3: That Mad adds up. I bet there's more targets. I

944
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Speaker 3: bet they throw the football in Dallas more than the

945
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: Steelers did last year. But I do think they would

946
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: run the ball too. They drafted a big, mauling guard

947
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Speaker 3: in the first.

948
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Speaker 2: Round and throw the ball to their tight ends and

949
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Speaker 2: they spread it around a.

950
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Speaker 3: Little bit, and Lamb's gonna get time.

951
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Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb here at Ceedee Lamb's targets over the last

952
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: three seasons one hundred and fifty six, one hundred and

953
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Speaker 2: eighty one, one hundred and fifty two.

954
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Speaker 3: Okay, And before this trade, he would have been my

955
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Speaker 3: bet to lead the league in targets. Now, I don't

956
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Speaker 3: know that he'd be number one on my list.

957
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Speaker 2: He's not getting fewer than the one hundred and fifty two,

958
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 2: which was in fifteen games.

959
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Speaker 3: By the way, I say, didn't he miss time too?

960
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he averaged basically ten targets.

961
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Speaker 3: He's gonna get his ten. He's gonna get his twelve,

962
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Speaker 3: no question. And for him, like if we're gonna talk fantasy,

963
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Speaker 3: I don't think it hurts him at all. I think

964
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Speaker 3: it's productions. I think of higher quality targets. He'll face

965
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Speaker 3: a lot more doubles. George will definitely help them, as

966
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Speaker 3: you would have here get people out of the box

967
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Speaker 3: with a run, you know. I mean he's going to

968
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Speaker 3: help his teammates.

969
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Speaker 2: George Pick isn't a good player. I'd whether he gets

970
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Speaker 2: a ball or not. Right, but is he going to

971
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Speaker 2: be happy? That's the that's the fly in the ointment

972
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Speaker 2: with this.

973
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Speaker 3: Agree. I mean, it's a potential leave all little situation. Yeah,

974
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Speaker 3: I understand the risk for them.

975
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Speaker 2: I really I didn't have a number two.

976
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Speaker 3: They didn't have a number two. It's a really good one.

977
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Speaker 3: They didn't really have a number three, right, I mean

978
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Speaker 3: they're they're trading for Mingo and doing.

979
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Speaker 2: If you took if you had taken before this trade,

980
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Speaker 2: if you took Ceed Lamb off of their roster, Oh yeah, wow,

981
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Speaker 2: it might be the worst wide receiver room in the league.

982
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Speaker 3: It would be by a thousand, I think. I mean,

983
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Speaker 3: I don't think they drafted one at all. They didn't, right,

984
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think they would have liked to. But

985
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Speaker 3: it's back to what we've talked about for months. It's

986
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Speaker 3: not a great receiver draft. They probably had Team McMillan

987
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 3: or you know, or bust basically, And so you make

988
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Speaker 3: this move, and I think Mary Cooper would have ended

989
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Speaker 3: up there if it wasn't for this trade. Yeah. So,

990
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 3: but I get it from their side.

991
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: I get it from the you know why they're excited, Hey,

992
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: we get this great player. And again he is a

993
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: He's been a thousand yard receiver. He would have been

994
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 2: a thousand yard receiver last year if he hadn't missed

995
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: the three games.

996
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: I think he's improved since he's been here. Yeah, it's

997
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 3: route running is more diverse. He's better after the catch,

998
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, he's come a long way.

999
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: But in the field, sometimes you must be careful what

1000
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: you asked for in terms of you know, the grass

1001
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: isn't always greener, and I if Mike Tomlin was having

1002
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: issues keeping George Pickens in line, right, do we really

1003
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 2: think Brian Schottenheimer in his first job as a head coach,

1004
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: he's going to do any better with that?

1005
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 4: Right?

1006
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 3: It's a great question. Probably not. I mean, could have

1007
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 3: change of environment. It didn't even seem like Pickens wanted out.

1008
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 3: He didn't demand the trade. He never said he.

1009
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: Thought about it okay, and didn't wanted to play it

1010
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 2: out here because he wanted to be with Tomlin.

1011
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1012
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that that was never an issue, Like

1013
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 3: what if he doesn't get along with the head coach?

1014
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 2: This trade doesn't happen if Tomlin doesn't sign off on it.

1015
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 3: Oh of course, right, So Dak's gonna have a lot

1016
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 3: to do with it. I don't know who their wide

1017
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 3: receiver coach is. That's gonna be an important aspect of

1018
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: it to House's relationship with CD. I am who knows.

1019
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. We'll see, Yeah, yeah, it's going

1020
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Speaker 2: to be interesting.

1021
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I really get it from both sides, and

1022
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Speaker 3: especially if there's another thing to happen for the.

1023
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 2: Steelers, which right we all believe that there is. I'd

1024
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: be shocked if it doesn't. Yeah, let's get to a break.

1025
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Speaker 2: That's going to do it for our number one of

1026
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, and I'll

1027
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Speaker 2: be back with our number two right after this