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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing and it's prediction time. Garrett, get

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Speaker 1: out your crystal ball. It's time to back up your words.

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Speaker 1: We've been clapping our gums for months about what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen in the Ravens twenty twenty four season. This

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Speaker 1: is where the pavement meets the road.

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Speaker 2: You were just throw the ball out and meets the road.

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Speaker 3: I think is what you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: This is where the pavement meets the sidewalk. That's not right,

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Speaker 2: something's wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We're going to do our predictions on a variety of

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Speaker 2: categories for this team.

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Speaker 3: For the twenty twenty four season.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about all the key players on

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Speaker 2: both sides of the ball. And we always we always

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Speaker 2: hold each other accountable, make and I all throughout the year,

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Speaker 2: just as listeners should know this throughout the year. If

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Speaker 2: one of us has missed on a prediction, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: we just we just hear.

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Speaker 1: About it all.

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Speaker 3: You hear about it all year. It's NonStop.

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Speaker 2: So we take these predictions very seriously because there's nothing

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Speaker 2: worse than getting a prediction wrong and then having to

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Speaker 2: hear about it from MANK trust me, trust me on

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Speaker 2: that one. So we did our due diligence to try

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Speaker 2: to make sure that we are going to be on

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Speaker 2: the money this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. So where do we kick this thing?

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Speaker 3: Oh let's start.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with where everybody want we want to start.

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Speaker 2: That's with the quarterback Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, Lamar's coming off his second MVP and I think

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Speaker 2: we both expect him to have a great year.

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Speaker 3: The question is how great? So I'll throw it to

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Speaker 3: you first.

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Speaker 2: What does lamars? What did Lamar's passing stats look like?

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Speaker 2: How many passing yards will he throw for this year?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So Lamar Jackson had a career year last year

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Speaker 1: throwing the ball. I mean we all saw it, right,

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Speaker 1: Todd Mounkin year one of in his offense, it just

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Speaker 1: took off. It was a different it was a different

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. And so we threw for three thousand, six

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy eight yards last year. That was a

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Speaker 1: career high. I think this year in year two with

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Speaker 1: Todd Munkin, he's better than that. Okay, I think that

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Speaker 1: Lamar throws You know, you got the four thousand number

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Speaker 3: That's always the number that everyone always talks about.

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Speaker 1: That that number, right, that's kind of the threshold. I

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Speaker 1: think Lamar throws for thirty nine hundred yards this year, Okay,

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Speaker 1: tick below four thousand. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So last year's total of thirty six seventy eight, as

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Speaker 2: you mentioned, career high, and it was a career high

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Speaker 2: by a pretty wide margin. The second best he had

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Speaker 2: was in twenty nineteen, where he threw for three seven yards.

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Speaker 2: The last three years prior to last season, he hadn't

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Speaker 2: of where he's ranked there, yep, I think that that

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Speaker 3: I'm with you there.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to put him at four thousand, crossing that

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: He The other thing that to keep in mind last

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Speaker 1: Think I think we're gonna have a first round by

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Speaker 1: lock theob sits out again.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fair, well done.

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Speaker 1: He's on pace.

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Speaker 2: He's on pace, so you win either way, right exactly.

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Speaker 2: But uh, now, I think that the second year of

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Speaker 2: Of course Dave Flowers is going to be wide receiver one,

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Speaker 2: So I think that they there's a lot of optimism

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Speaker 1: You know, well, I think the question for me is

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Speaker 1: The funny thing is the Ravens still led the NFL

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Speaker 1: in rushing attempts, right with five hundred and forty one.

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Speaker 1: They ran the ball more than anybody, right, But I

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Speaker 1: and you still led the league in rushing attempts. Now

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Speaker 1: right or thereabouts. With that kind of rushing attack, is

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Speaker 1: there an argument to be made that the Ravens swinging

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Speaker 2: I think there's potential for that, And like, I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: rule out that possibility that, like you said, they led

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Speaker 2: the league last year, So like I don't think, I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's the pendulum swinging back to where it

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Speaker 3: It's not Greg Rumms offense.

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Speaker 2: Like it's a different offense, different coordinator, different approach, different

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Speaker 2: philosophy big picture wise in terms of how you build

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Speaker 2: the game, So I don't know that it's gonna shy

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Speaker 2: more towards that. I think with Derek Henry being in

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Speaker 2: like you've got a bellcow running back and and it's

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Speaker 2: think Justice Hill is definitely going to get action, especially

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Speaker 1: More carries, but just one guy taking a higher percentage.

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Speaker 3: Going to He's going to take a big oldbite out

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Speaker 2: And I think that that's going to be a big

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's definitely true. And I think even

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Speaker 1: I do think. You know, Lamar Jackson lost weight, you know,

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Speaker 1: and the first thing that Eric DeCosta mentioned when you

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Speaker 1: Lamar's training camp, he said, he looks really fast. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he looks fast as heck is his quote. And you know,

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Speaker 1: so do we potentially see a little bit even more

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Speaker 1: called quarterback runs. You know, those are still part of

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Speaker 1: wear with Greg Grimman, there's scrambles involved. You know, are

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Speaker 1: there even more scrambles with the state of the offensive line?

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Speaker 1: so this year, I do think without Obj, I do

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Speaker 1: they definitely are going to go more to tight end heavy.

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Speaker 1: Whether that results in addition with Derrick Henry to more running,

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Speaker 1: I think it's possible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's interesting. I mean, this is.

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Speaker 2: This is a good transition to Lamar in the running

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Speaker 2: And we had Lamar Jackson on the podcast that episode

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Speaker 2: ran on Thursday. If you haven't checked it out, do that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was to me shared some really good

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Speaker 2: insight into his mindset. It's clear listening to him, he

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Speaker 2: is he is challenging everybody. And Eric DaCosta even said

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Speaker 2: at the end of last week it's to the point

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Speaker 2: where he's having meetings with Lamar after practice to talk

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Speaker 3: Lamar just feels this.

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Speaker 2: He's so hungry to win and he's doing everything he

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Speaker 2: but he's trying to do the things off the field,

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Speaker 2: hold guys accountable, leadership, talking with the GM, talking with

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Speaker 2: you get a real perspective of that in the conversation

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Speaker 2: with Lamar. But one of the things that you asked

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Speaker 2: been a few years since you ran for one thousand yards.

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Speaker 2: The offense is ships and more to a passing offense.

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Speaker 2: And he didn't say no. He was like, we it's

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Speaker 3: To win the game, yep.

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Speaker 1: Like it Like he didn't say no, I mean, the

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Speaker 1: thing is with Lamar, they're long runs. Like he said,

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Speaker 1: like when he's running, he's not looking for five yard games.

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Speaker 1: It's not. In the greg room and offense, there was

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Speaker 1: more of the cold quarterback runs. And you know, certainly,

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Speaker 1: of course you wouldn't break all of them, but there's

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Speaker 1: Now they're looking for more thirty yards to fifty yards,

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Speaker 1: two more of those long runs. That really changes things.

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Speaker 1: And I think with his lower weight and you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, which would surpass Michael Vick for the most

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Speaker 1: rushing yards by a quarterback in career history. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think he can do that.

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Speaker 2: I he was pretty when we talked with him, he

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Speaker 2: was pretty clear that he feels like he's His speed

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Speaker 2: is what it was early in his career eighteen nineteen,

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Speaker 2: I mean twenty nineteen, he ran for twelve hundred yards

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Speaker 2: seven touchdowns and obviously the volume was there too. He

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Speaker 2: had one hundred and seventy six carries that year. I

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Speaker 2: don't expect that, but you know last year he had

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Speaker 2: one hundred. He had one hundred and forty eight carries

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Speaker 2: last year. So like it's not like that he no

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Speaker 2: longer runs the football. He absolutely him and his running

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Speaker 3: I do think that.

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Speaker 2: He is going to break more of the long runs,

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Speaker 3: So if he's over nine hundred, I get it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that sounds about right. I mean last year,

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Speaker 2: He had thirteen touchdowns last year. So I mean, sure

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Speaker 3: I think he would agree. I think you would agree.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know that it's I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean so I'm going thirty, what are

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Speaker 3: With twenty eight. It's gonna be twenty nine right down

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Speaker 2: But but all in all, honestly, like if Lamar has

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Speaker 2: like that will be the best statistical season of his career, correct,

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Speaker 2: at four thousand, he'll be at nine hundred rushing yards

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Speaker 1: If he ends up doing that, yeah, then and a

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Speaker 1: you know. And obviously it's Super Bowl or bust for Lamar,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think that obviously he's doing everything he

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Speaker 2: let's let's continue with the passing game here. Let's run

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Speaker 2: through it. In the past couple of years, I feel

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Speaker 3: Let's start with yards. Who do you think is going

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Speaker 1: I think the Zay Flowers will lead the team in

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Speaker 2: He had eight to fifty eight last year, seventy seven catches,

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Speaker 2: five touchdowns. I think that I think he's between a

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Speaker 2: Odell is not here, so that's going to lead to

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I think I think he leads

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Speaker 1: Well, let's also realize how good Jay Flowers played at

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Speaker 1: But you know, Zay even talked about how much better

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Speaker 1: looking at games here, one hundred and six yards against Miami,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's I mean, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: Right, So he went over one hundred yards and two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he was he was slow out of the game.

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Speaker 2: But I think that like the big plays and some

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Speaker 1: I also think on some of those wide receiver screens

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Speaker 1: don't I don't see how Za Flowers loses a ten

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 2: So we're both very high on Zay and what he's

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Speaker 2: in terms of touchdown catches, yeah, I'm going to go

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Speaker 2: he played in ten games and really like nine and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so like.

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Speaker 2: You move, removed seven and a half games from the equation,

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. Okay, I mean I don't like

441
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Speaker 1: that I agree with it, but I did. Yeah.

442
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's the funny thing is we've been kind of

443
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 2: we agreed on Yars catches and touchdowns and Andrews.

444
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 1: I don't like this at all. We're looking at the

445
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 1: same crystal ball.

446
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 2: Uh well it's pretty good. If we're correct, then it's

447
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 2: a pretty good outlook here.

448
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, we also both tied on the fifty three man

449
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 1: roster prediction. We missed a bunch of them.

450
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 2: So that's that's neither here. That's that's distant distant history.

451
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 1: Well what's the next that's next category?

452
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 3: All right, running back, who's going to lead the team rushing? Well,

453
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 3: I mean tough one.

454
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,679
Speaker 2: I think I would say we're both are gonna pick

455
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Speaker 2: who's going to lead the team rushing. But if we're

456
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 2: talking about Lamar getting around of a thousand, then well that's.

457
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 3: A little tight.

458
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Speaker 1: That's a little tight of a conversation the team ever

459
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Speaker 1: since twenty nineteen.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that comes to an end this

461
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 2: year and Derek uh definitely leads a team and I

462
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Speaker 2: think he's going to be I think he's gonna put

463
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Speaker 2: up t one hundred yards on the ground.

464
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 3: Okay, that's that's a lot, maybe eleven hundred. Look last year,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go.

466
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Speaker 1: I'm going twelve hundred.

467
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 2: It's just like when he just start throwing out these

468
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 2: numbers like about it, I mean it's like, also, we've

469
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 2: we've found this sixteen thousand yards of offense, then we're

470
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 2: just gonna rack up.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Ravens ran for twenty six hundred yards last year,

472
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Speaker 1: So if Lamar, if Derek Henry puts up twelve hundred,

473
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Speaker 1: Lamar puts up nine hundred, I think like we were saying,

474
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Speaker 1: like we're still within reason here, right, it's twenty one hundred.

475
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: We still got the Keaton can get some he's got some.

476
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 1: Just has got some. Yeah, Zake has got a little bit.

477
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're good.

478
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: We're good.

479
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 3: That's fair.

480
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'll increase my Now, No, you'releven fifty fifty.

481
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 2: Last year, Derrick Henry H rush for eleven hundred and

482
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Speaker 2: sixty seven yards, twelve touchdowns, two hundred eighty carries. I

483
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 2: don't know that he's going to get that volume of carrious.

484
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 2: That's just I think he's going to get more than

485
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 2: the Ravens have given the running backs historically in the

486
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 2: past few I'm usually going to get in week one

487
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 2: a lot I think, I mean, like I think he's ready.

488
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: I mean that guy is ready to go, like he

489
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 2: he can't wait to hit somebody softy fifty carries. I

490
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 2: don't know about fifty, but uh so I'm going to go.

491
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna up until eleven fifty, eleven fifty,

492
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Speaker 2: eleven fifty, loven fifty.

493
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Speaker 1: You sold you are unbelievable.

494
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: You talk locked in, you talked me into and when

495
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Speaker 2: you started talking about the overall rushing yards last year.

496
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Speaker 2: So I'm going eleven fifty, I'm going eleven fifty and

497
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Speaker 2: ten touchdowns.

498
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going twelve hundred and nine touchdowns.

499
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: Interesting, okay again, Dust Edwards had thirteen last year. All right, eleven,

500
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: mister locked it in. I think, yeah, how much of

501
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 2: a factor do you think he'll be in the passing game?

502
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: Uh? I, I don't think it's a zero. I mean

503
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,959
Speaker 1: he has in recent seasons. Actually, he's he's caught more

504
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: passes than early in his career. He's, yeah, he's made

505
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: advancements in that area. Now, Justice Hill is more dynamic

506
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: than him, certainly with the ball in his hands. Lamar

507
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: is not a big checkdown guy. But I do think

508
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: that Todd Monkin wants to get the ball out of

509
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: Lamar's hands. Huh right, And you know, to a degree,

510
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: you want to let Lamar be Lamar and he can

511
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: extend plays and make big plays with his legs and

512
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 1: his arms. But also, like Todd Monkin stresses, you know, hey,

513
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: find that open receiver, take take that right, take that pass,

514
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: that open pass, and if Derek Henry's left wide open,

515
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: he can he can do something with that. I don't

516
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: Last year he had twenty eight catches for two hundred

517
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 1: and fourteen yards. The year before thirty three for three

518
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: ninety eight it's not going to be that. I probably

519
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: expect that he catches around.

520
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 3: What you know it is.

521
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 2: It's an interesting conversation as to whether it would be

522
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: in that ball. I do think that that was something

523
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 2: the Ravens were working on a camp early on, just

524
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 2: getting that that feel and that chemistry between him and

525
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 2: Lamar in that department. I think that Hill is more

526
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: of the third down, you know, prototypical receiving back.

527
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: But I want to throw the ball to the tight ends,

528
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: not Derrick Henry. Yeah, I'm sorry, no, Shade, I mean

529
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: Gus Edwards last year at twelve for one eight. Yeah,

530
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Derrick Henry a little bit above that,

531
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: but not by much. I mean, I'm going to give

532
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry fifteen catches.

533
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to go above that. I'm going to say

534
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 3: more like twenty five catches.

535
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so's you're probably right, Yeah, you're probably closer.

536
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: All right, I'll get twenty.

537
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 2: No, no, no, fifteen. So there's you know, that's the rundown

538
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 2: on offense. One guy we had, we didn't we didn't

539
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: really mention at all. Who were I think we may

540
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 2: get to a little bit later when we get into

541
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 2: some of these categories as Isaiah likely, and we are

542
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: both very high on him, Yes, and so just I just.

543
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: Don't stat line think we should. Yeah, let's go with

544
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: his stat That's an interesting one. Yeah, sure, Like I

545
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: think he and Bateman are interesting ones.

546
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what do you have for likely? Stat line?

547
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna go Isaiah likely this year.

548
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: Last year he had thirty catches, four hundred and eleven

549
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: receiving yards and five touchdowns.

550
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: Okay, Isaiah likely this year, I'm going with forty five

551
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: catches for six hundred and fifty yards, No, seven hundred yards.

552
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm gonna go Would I.

553
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: Say, would I just say forty five or seven hundred?

554
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

555
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll go five touches.

556
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: Well, look, I've I've I said, says going to be

557
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: one thousand yards, and I said Lamar is gonna be

558
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: right around four thousand.

559
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: You said Zay eleven hundred, right, right, So you.

560
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 2: Know, and I think that Andrews is going to be

561
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: flirting with that number. I think Isaiah likely. I think

562
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: that yards for Andrews and likely could be in the

563
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: same ballpark for.

564
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: Them, like both of them at eight hundred.

565
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: Yes, like both of them could be like right around

566
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: eight hundred.

567
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: I think that Andrews could have more catches, likely could

568
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 2: have some more big plays. But I think that So

569
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: that's I'm going to go. I'm going to go likely

570
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: with forty catches for eight hundred yards.

571
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: And I went forty five.

572
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you have more catches.

573
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: I have forty five for eight hundred. Yeah, that's what

574
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: I said.

575
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, no, no, no, you said seven.

576
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: Hundred, seven hundred. Yeah, could go with the seventh.

577
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this gotta change his answer every time.

578
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be I think I think

579
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: that likely will be. Yeah, I think him and Andrews

580
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: will be right around that eight hundred number.

581
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that. I think that there's

582
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: a possibility because Isaiah likely is so dynamic with the

583
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: ball in his hands, there's a possibility that he is

584
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: the Ravens second leading wide receiver behind Za Flowers in

585
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: terms of yards.

586
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 3: So that's you're he's gonna be a chance of that.

587
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: I would say it's more like I probably still give

588
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: Andrews the nod there. Yeah, but I think that there's

589
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: a very real chance, give it a thirty percent chance

590
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: that Isaiah Likely is the Ravens second leading wide receiver.

591
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

592
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: I mean we all said he was kind of the

593
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: star of training camp and and I think that he

594
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: he has shown me that he deserves a lot of targets,

595
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of volume.

596
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,239
Speaker 3: And I think he's going to get it.

597
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: And I think that that Erics Costa talk last week

598
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: about how Andrews Unlikely are the best tight end tight

599
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: end tandem in football. That's the way the Ravens view them.

600
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: So I think they're going to find a lot of

601
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: ways to get both of them on the field together.

602
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: I think they're going to find ways to feature them.

603
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: I just think they're going to be a huge piece

604
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 2: of this offense.

605
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

606
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: So, and then you mentioned Bateman. You know, what's what's

607
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: your thought there in terms of.

608
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: This is a really key important one because you know,

609
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 1: last year Rashad Bateman had thirty two catches for three

610
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven yards in one touchdown. It is

611
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: very important for the Ravens offense that he has a

612
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: better year. You know, as much as I'm excited about

613
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews and Isaiah Likely, like you have to have

614
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: another compliment to Zay Flowers, on the other side of

615
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: wide receiver, I'm putting Bateman. You know, Odell put up

616
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: five hundred and sixty five yards last year. Yeah, I'm

617
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: not gonna say that Bateman's going to absorb all of

618
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: that and put up over nine hundred yards, but I

619
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: think that he will have seven hundred. So I think

620
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: I think the pecking order is going to finish in

621
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Speaker 1: terms of Yeah, I think the pecking order is going

622
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: to finish Zay, Mark, Isaiah not far behind Mark, and

623
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Speaker 1: then Bateman number four, probably one hundred two hundred yards

624
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: behind those guys.

625
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: I think that his stat line could look very similar

626
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: to what Odell's looked like last year.

627
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: O'Dell had three touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Thirty five five sixty five for Odell. Yeah, I know,

629
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: you hope that Bateman breaks more big plays than yeah

630
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: Dale did.

631
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.

632
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: I just think that that's you know, and if you

633
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: hit Look, if you hit a couple of big plays,

634
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: you hit a couple of fifty yarders, then all of

635
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: a sudden, as I said earlier, we're talking about Zay,

636
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 2: he hit a couple of those big plays and that

637
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: sends the stat line through the roof.

638
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: So I just think, right I think if I think

639
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: Bateman could have thirty five to four, I mean Bateman

640
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: caught thirty two balls last year. Yeah, are we saying

641
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: he's only going to catch thirty five this year? That's

642
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: what Odell I think. I mean, I think it's more

643
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: in the forty.

644
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: I think I have him at forty and then Lodell

645
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: had five sixty. Like I think forty for five fifty.

646
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: You know, that's very similar stout line to d odellhad

647
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: last year.

648
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: But we're saying that we think that Bateman can hit

649
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: more big plays than Odell. So if he's catch him

650
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: five more passes, you're putting him under in yards. I mean,

651
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: I think if he catches five more passes than Odell Beckham,

652
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: then he tops Odell Beckham's five sixty five and he's

653
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 1: more in the six to fifty range.

654
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: Forty for five fifty is what I'm going with.

655
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna go with, uh forty five for six

656
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: point fifty.

657
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: All right, So there you go. Let's take a quick break.

658
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll flip it over to the

659
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: defense side of the ball and also discuss some categories

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Speaker 2: like breakout player.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the last podcast We're coming to you

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Speaker 2: from the Seakeek Studio. We also want to give a

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Speaker 2: DraftKings Sportsbook. The Crown is yours. So on defense, let's

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Speaker 2: start with interceptions. The Ravens have a great secondary. We're

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Speaker 2: all really enamored with the secondary. I think it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be one of the best in the league. Who's gonna

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Speaker 2: lead the team in picks this year?

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Speaker 1: Interceptions? I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with Marcus Williams again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Marcus Williams. I mean, he's the

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Speaker 1: Ravens free safety. He is a ball hall Becau. It's

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Speaker 1: just a matter of health. So last year he only

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Speaker 1: had one interception and the Ravens are led by Kyle

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Speaker 1: Or I'm sorry, Genus Stone.

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Speaker 3: I think I took Geno Stone last year when we

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Speaker 3: did this.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure you did. I'm gonna go Marcus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I think he's the He's like the chalk

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Speaker 3: you know, pick.

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Speaker 1: There tends to take Kyle.

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Speaker 3: I'm really flirting with that.

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Speaker 2: I think that Kyle Hamilton, you know, he moves around

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Speaker 2: so much so that obviously we all know that the

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Speaker 2: part of what makes Kyle so dangerous is that's just

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Speaker 2: hanging in the backfield and back end and getting picks,

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Speaker 2: but moving all over the field. I think I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go Kyle. Yeah, I'm gonna go Kyle Hamilton.

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Speaker 1: See, I'm the other day in my office which we

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Speaker 1: used to share office. I don't know if you remember that,

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Speaker 1: and then you moved out, but in my office we

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Speaker 1: were we were discussing about how you thought Rokwan Sith

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Speaker 1: was going to intercept like five passes this year.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that there's so well that that leads

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Speaker 2: to it next the next category here. Okay, So if

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Speaker 2: I think the Ravens have three very real possible abilities

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Speaker 2: of guys who could be NFL Defensive Player of the

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Speaker 2: Year gay.

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Speaker 1: Not just Ravens defensive like our defensive Ye, yeah, NFL defensive.

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Speaker 2: Play I think there's three candidates who could very real,

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Speaker 2: very realistically be in the thick of that conversation, and

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Speaker 2: it's Kyle Hamilton, Justin Metabeke and Rokwan Smith. And the

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Speaker 2: thing about Roquan is that linebackers don't typically get the

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Speaker 2: stat volume that would warrant consideration as a deep defensive

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Speaker 2: Player of the Year because they're not getting sacks. They're

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Speaker 2: not they're putting up twenty sacks, fifteen sacks. They're typically

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Speaker 2: not getting the number of turnovers.

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Speaker 1: But my point was generally to win that award, you

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Speaker 1: got to get a bunch of sacks or a bunch

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Speaker 1: of picks exactly and so and be on a very

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Speaker 1: good defense exactly.

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Speaker 2: If you do all those things, and then you have

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Speaker 2: a good chance. But my point with Roquan was like,

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Speaker 2: if he got like six interceptions and the Ravens had

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Speaker 2: the best defense in football, and he of course has

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Speaker 2: a million tackles, could he be the guy and he

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Speaker 2: has whatever five sacks, he has five sacks, six interceptions,

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Speaker 2: he just checks every You're just like, how can you

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Speaker 2: not give you this guy? That's what it would take

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Speaker 2: for him to win it. I think that I think

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Speaker 2: that that could be the case. I think the more

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Speaker 2: likely options are probably Hamilton or Matt a BK.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, And you know, I would probably

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Speaker 1: put Kyle Hamilton at the top of that list. I

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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of buzz around him after what

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Speaker 1: he did last season, about his versatility, about how he's

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Speaker 1: just a unicorn and so unique and all those things.

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Speaker 1: So I think he probably I would put him at

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Speaker 1: the top of my list. But if Justin Mattabek surpasses

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Speaker 1: his fantastic year from last year and gets into Aaron

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Speaker 1: Donald like kind of sack production, we're talking, you know,

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Speaker 1: sixteen sacks. Yeah, things like that, Matt A Bka is

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Speaker 1: going to be in that conversation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree that Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: I mean I just said I think he's going to

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Speaker 2: leave the team in interceptions, he's my pick to leave

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Speaker 2: the team and picks. And if he if he'sating the

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Speaker 2: team and picks that, you know, you're you're probably looking

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Speaker 2: at five, six, seven, eight picks, you know, ten twelve picks.

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Speaker 3: But like on TV. But I think that if he

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Speaker 3: if he's if he's leading Marlon.

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Speaker 1: Home for getting this picks early in training camp, Marlin's

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Speaker 1: getting a handful of Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if he's if if Hamilton leads the team

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Speaker 2: and picks, then I think that there's a very realistic

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Speaker 2: chance that he could end up being the defensive Player

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Speaker 2: of the Year.

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Speaker 3: But I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I honestly, I think it's neck and I think it's

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Speaker 2: like a one A, one B situation between him and

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Speaker 2: Matabk because I think Matabak. I think Mattabk is going

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Speaker 2: to be double digit sacks again this year. I don't

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Speaker 2: know that if he's going to get to like that

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Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen seventeen range where you where he's leading the league, potentially.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't far from it last year. He was not thirteen.

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Speaker 1: He was and we're talking about sixteen. You're not that far.

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Speaker 3: Nope, Nope, he's not. He's not.

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Speaker 2: Now. The Ravens, you know, they had they had they

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Speaker 2: had obviously a great defense last year, and they loved

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Speaker 2: the NFL in sacks. So anyway, I think I think

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Speaker 2: Hamilton's the most likely. I think that Mattabek is not

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Speaker 2: far behind. And if Rokwan ends up leading the team

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Speaker 2: and picks, then you know he could put himself into

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Speaker 2: that conversation too.

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Speaker 1: The other thing about Mattabka is he's not catching anybody

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Speaker 1: by surprise this year, right, some of the early season's

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Speaker 1: success last year, I think he talked about the offensive

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Speaker 1: lines are adjusting to me a little bit more and

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. We would see he would bet a lot

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Speaker 1: of double teams, He got a lot of attension, and

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Speaker 1: he was still putting up those stats. If Justin Mattabek

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Speaker 1: is getting similar attention and still putting up those kind

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Speaker 1: of numbers are even better, then yeah, that's going to

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Speaker 1: add to his argument. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If you start seeing like all the film breakdowns come

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Speaker 2: out where people are zooming in and there's three guys

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Speaker 2: blocking Justin Mattabik like that, that's how you know, and

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Speaker 2: he's still putting up production like that's how you'll know

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Speaker 2: that he's right there. I also, he got the big

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Speaker 2: contract this offseason, so when a guy gets paid, there's

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Speaker 2: more attention on you, both on opposing teams and from

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Speaker 2: media who end up voting on these awards for Defensive

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Speaker 2: Player of the Year. People are people are well aware

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Speaker 2: of Mattabik at this point. All right, So in terms

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Speaker 2: of sacks, I just hit my hand. I think Mattabek

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Speaker 2: leads the team in sacks this year. I think he's

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Speaker 2: going to be in double digits, and I think that

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Speaker 2: he leads a team.

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Speaker 1: I I agree with that. I would go Justin Mattabeka

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Speaker 1: for the lead. I don't think Godafa Alway is going

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Speaker 1: to be that far behind him. I think godafae Away

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Speaker 1: gets the double digits this year, So I'm you.

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Speaker 2: I think I would probably put him right under that.

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Speaker 2: But I think that nine nine and a half and

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Speaker 2: nine and a half, just.

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Speaker 3: Like nine was it was it? Uh? Who was it

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Speaker 3: last year? Who had cloudy? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Clowney year? Yeah, nine and a half last year. So

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Speaker 2: I'll give I'll give away the nine and a half. No,

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Speaker 2: I think he's I think he's right there. I think

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Speaker 2: he's right around that number. I mean, I've always been

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Speaker 2: great in camp and and Tacosta again talked about him

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Speaker 2: and was like, I'm glad we gave him the fifth

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Speaker 2: year option. We did because based on what I've seen

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Speaker 2: a training camp.

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Speaker 1: It's looking like a good investment.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like the Raves are very high on him as

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Speaker 2: a player, and from a value standpoint of what that

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Speaker 2: fifth year option is going to cost uh for for

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Speaker 2: Oway and what he can get on the open market

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Speaker 2: next year if you were to hit a hit forree agency.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's double did it all right?

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Speaker 2: So basically they get they they've got two guys there.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of talk about pass rush.

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Speaker 2: If if Matta, bk and Oway both hit those double

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Speaker 2: digit numbers, you know you're starting at twenty plus sacks.

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Speaker 1: Which really a good spot, which would.

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Speaker 2: Help this team continue their their reign as the NFL

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Speaker 2: sack leader.

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Speaker 1: Well, O Jabo is another big question mark there. What

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Speaker 1: do you think O Jabo ends with.

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Speaker 3: I think that a Jabo ends up with five or six.

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Speaker 1: Sacks, Okay, I was going to go five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think you gonna go I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: five or six sacks.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna see you're going five and a half, five

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Speaker 1: or six or six half.

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Speaker 3: I get five.

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Speaker 2: So when I say that, you can't say five, five

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Speaker 2: and a half and six, I get all all those numbers.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the I've been.

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Speaker 2: Encouraged by what I've seen from him. Like I think

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Speaker 2: early in early in training camp, he was slow out

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Speaker 2: of the gate. He obviously didn't play in the first

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Speaker 2: preseason game. He was still getting healthy, and so people

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Speaker 2: started to get a little concerned, you know, what's going on

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Speaker 2: with the Jabo. But he I thought he played better

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Speaker 2: as camp went along. I thought he looked pretty good

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Speaker 2: in the two preseason games. He has he's barely played

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Speaker 2: football the last two years, and he's got two sacks. Right,

842
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: he had a sack and a strip sack too, So

843
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: you know, limited sample size, but he does he knows

844
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Speaker 2: how to get to the quarterback and finish when he

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Speaker 2: gets there. So I like that a lot about a

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Speaker 2: Jabo and his ability once he has a shot at

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Speaker 2: the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna get a force fumble at least at least

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Speaker 1: one this year. I'm with you. I'm going two and

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Speaker 1: a half forced fun a bobble, you recover, we don't

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Speaker 1: get it, Okay, all right?

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Speaker 2: Other the other guy, I want to get your take

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Speaker 2: on on uh from an individual stat line as Nate Wiggins.

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Speaker 1: What quarterback stats are? So what he want attack? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Basically, how about this, like what what does the season

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Speaker 3: look like for Nate against?

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Speaker 1: To you?

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Speaker 2: Like when we're talking about Nate season at the end, Like,

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Speaker 2: what's the conversation?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that Nate Wiggins probably has

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Speaker 1: a I'm gonna get a little bit more nuanced than

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Speaker 1: your question, but I think from the jump, Nate Wiggins

863
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Speaker 1: is playing about half the defensive snaps. From the jump,

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Speaker 1: I think that he he's gonna make he's gonna start

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Speaker 1: some games. But and you know, it's it's hard to

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Speaker 1: believe that he, Marlin and Brandon Stevens are going to

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Speaker 1: be healthy the whole year. Like it's just that's tough

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Speaker 1: at cornerback. You just have injuries. And so by virtue

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Speaker 1: of injuries, I hope they don't happen, not go on Wood.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think he's going to start some games.

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Speaker 1: And I think from a talent standpoint, there's a real

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Speaker 1: potential that at some point they say, yeah, this guy

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Speaker 1: is good enough or he should be playing eighty two

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the SNAPH. But I'm encouraged by

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Speaker 1: Marlin too, and Brandon Stevens is very very good. Yeah,

876
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: And so I don't think that's a slam dunk. I

877
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: think by season's end, we all are saying, Wow, Nate

878
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: Wiggins is going to be something special. Brandon Stevens is

879
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: a free agent, and and everybody's like, oh, Marlin's getting

880
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: you know a little bit more up there in years,

881
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: and you're saying, Okay, is Marlon back, Like whatever it is,

882
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: whether Brandon leaves or or whatever happens with Marlin, like that,

883
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: you feel good about Nate Wiggins's ability next year to

884
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: be a full time playing every single snap starter at corner.

885
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: That's how I think we're gonna be looking at it

886
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the year.

887
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think gonna have.

888
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: I think it will have around three picks. Like he's

889
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: he's gonna make some plays on the ball because this dude,

890
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: the wide receiver is always within a step, Like he

891
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: just does not give up much space Beteam and him

892
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: in the wide receiver, and just by virtue of that

893
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: and his instincts, he's going to get his hands on

894
00:40:58,920 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: some balls.

895
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

896
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: I think it's a little similar Like when the Ravens

897
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: drafted Marlin Humphrey. He wasn't necessary, he wasn't like a plug.

898
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: And play starter.

899
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: You know, he started, He didn't start until I just

900
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: wrote this the other day. Yeah, tenth games, right like that.

901
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: And by the end of his rookie year, Like, man,

902
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: Martin hump is good. He's a really good player. I

903
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: was a good pick, you know. I think that, like

904
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 2: and I think that it's similar here with Nate Wiggins.

905
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: Like by the end of the year, we're going to

906
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: be saying, like, Dy Wiggs is good. That guy is

907
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 2: sticky in coverage, like the Ravens made a great pick there.

908
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: I know it's just preseason, but like, I mean, he

909
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: he was great in that preseason game.

910
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: He was great.

911
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: He was great in the preseason opener, played again in

912
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: the preseason finale. I think that he's we are going

913
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: to be looking at him at the end of the year,

914
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: somebody that is a difference maker.

915
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: Marlin Humphrey became a full time starter in week thirteen

916
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: of his rookie season.

917
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Way, And I I'm with you, like, I don't

918
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: know if Nate Wiggins becomes a full time starter because

919
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: I'm high on Marlin this year. I'm high on Brandon Stevens,

920
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 2: so I don't know where those those snaps are coming from.

921
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: They could find ways to get all three of them

922
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: on the field, and that's certainly possible.

923
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: But I think that we.

924
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: I have I like the pick when the ray has

925
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: made it, and I think I like it even more

926
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: now after seeing him.

927
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely this spring and summer.

928
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: I feel more confident that pick. That was the question

929
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: I was going to ask Hereticassa today at our press conference,

930
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: but I didn't get that question in you got dunked on.

931
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: I got dunked on.

932
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: Oh all right, last one is a breakout player, So

933
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 2: Wiggans could be the breakout player.

934
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 3: Isaiah Likely could be a breakout player. I mean Bait Bateman.

935
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm glad you've defined who qualifies.

936
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I know we always debate this Bateman away. Trenton

937
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: Simpson could be a breakout player. We haven't mentioned him yet,

938
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: and he's looked great in the preseason. I think he's

939
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: going to step into Patrick Queen's role very nicely. Who

940
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: do you think we're gonna it would be your breakout player?

941
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: If Isaiah Likely is on the list, I'm taking him. Yeah,

942
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: so I'm taking.

943
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: I think that's a great that's a great selection. I

944
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: I I can't argue that. But I also think that

945
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 2: everything we just said about about Wiggins applies here too.

946
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, I thought you were going to go with

947
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: Trenton Simpson.

948
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: I think that trends. Look.

949
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: I think that you could also trents Simpson could be

950
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: that guy like Patrick Queen was an All Pro last

951
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: year and his departure, you know, made headlines like this

952
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: is this is how you're going to fill the spot.

953
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: And if trent Simpsons just comes in steps into that

954
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: role and plays Let's say he plays eighty five percent

955
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: to the level of Patrick Queen last year.

956
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 3: Which I think he could play that level, yeah, yes,

957
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 3: or potentially above.

958
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 2: Then it's going to be like, oh, could he be

959
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: getting a mix for Pro Bowl conversation? Like if you

960
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: if he plays at that level, typically it can take

961
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: a little bit of time for that position, but but

962
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: he could be in that breakout candidate conversation and he's

963
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: going to start, so he's gonna have the opportunity to

964
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: do that.

965
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: Yea.

966
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: I just think that Wiggins is somebody who as a

967
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: first round pick, I think that we're just gonna be

968
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: talking about him being great. I think he's gonna make

969
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 2: some splash plays that you're like, man, this guy's so good,

970
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: he's so sticking coverage. I love his attitude, So I'm

971
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Wiggins.

972
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: I also think that there's a real chance that by

973
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: the end of the year, Brandon Stevens enters the elite

974
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: cornerback conversation that people are saying, Brandon Stevens is one

975
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: of the top ten corners in the league.

976
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: He's up there with the Sauce Gardeners of the world.

977
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: I mean that would be really high. Yeah, but I

978
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: think that there's a chance that he enters that kind

979
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: of he's in the top tier cluster consideration, Pro Bowl consideration.

980
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: I think that there's a chance.

981
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 2: Well, if that's the case, I mean, like, I think

982
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: Brandon Stevens is really good. But if we're putting him

983
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 2: in that category of the best corners in the league,

984
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: then this defense is going to be I mean.

985
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're cornerbacks, room is nasty.

986
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we're both right, and Wiggins is a breakout

987
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: player and Stevens is a top ten corner and Marlin

988
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 2: has a bounce back season and Kyle Hamilton's in defense

989
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: play of the year at Ravens treading camp, I mean, honestly,

990
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: it would be hard for me to pick between.

991
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: Stephens of Marlin. I think they've both been really good.

992
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you're gonna say Stevens and Wigi, But yeah,

993
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: I agree, Marlin had a great tranp I think I

994
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: put I think I would say Stevens. Yeah.

995
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: It's tough man, A good problem to have.

996
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, So just in stuff, I do have one more category.

997
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna surprise you, Okay, who is the player that

998
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: like nobody's talking about right now. Who's the geno Stone

999
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four. Oh, that's a good one.

1000
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a good question.

1001
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: It's always like when when when Jeremiah gets asked that question,

1002
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: Like if I knew.

1003
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: It was.

1004
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, that's Mill, that's Mill. But yeah, who would

1005
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: that be? Do you have one?

1006
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: You have one? But I like to see you just

1007
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: him and Hall over there and just be totally confused.

1008
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: I would maybe, you know, I guess I'll say this

1009
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 2: guy was having an awesome camp before he got hurt.

1010
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: Was Arthur Mullett, Okay, And he was awesome, Like, he

1011
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 2: was really good early in training camp, and I like him.

1012
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: I think he's a really good player. And when he

1013
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: comes back, assuming he's fully healthy, like he's going to

1014
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: step into that nickel role and I think be an

1015
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: important part of this defense. But we already spent so

1016
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: much time talking about the secondary. Nobody's talking about him

1017
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: right now, and so like, I'm he's not gonna go

1018
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: out there and get seven interceptions, but I think he

1019
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: could be a key player for this team down the stretch,

1020
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: playing very important snaps in the playoffs in a playoff.

1021
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: Front Okay, Yeah, I think that's a good pick. I'm

1022
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: going to go along the same lines and say Keith

1023
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: and Mitchell. Okay, I think we're all a little we've

1024
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: all kind of lost a little bit of perspective on

1025
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: how good Keith Mitchell was last year when he got

1026
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: on the field. And I know he's coming back from

1027
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, that was a major knee injury. But if

1028
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: that dude is at or close to as explosive as

1029
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: he was his rookie season, and then you put him

1030
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,479
Speaker 1: in a backfield with Derrick Henry and just let Derrick

1031
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: Henry just just body blows just and Keith Mitchell comes

1032
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: in and just blows past you. He's the haymaker to

1033
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: the jaw, right, And like, I think that there's a

1034
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: real possibility over the second half of the season. You know,

1035
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: he's not gonna first game back. I don't know that

1036
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna go pop off, you know, a seventy five

1037
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: yard run, but like midpoint of the year on when

1038
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: it's crunch time, Keith Mitchell could be a very big

1039
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: difference maker for this team. All Right, I hope you're right,

1040
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: rd Arius Fashington take.

1041
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna say, like you set it up,

1042
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 2: you're like same same lines as Geno Stone Keaton Mitchell.

1043
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I actually I actually thought, yeah, Ardairius would

1044
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: be an interesting one.

1045
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, O Darius was here.

1046
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to that direction. So just

1047
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: to recap, we got defensive player of the year Kyle Hamilton.

1048
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: Second place is matabk Away at double digit sacks. We

1049
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: got Stevens is the top ten corner, Wiggins who is

1050
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: established himself as you know, one of the up and

1051
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: coming corners. Marlin bounce back season, great corner, Roque, you know,

1052
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 2: six interceptions, one hundred and fifty tackles, Trenton all pro,

1053
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: Lamar four thou Lamar four thousand past yards, On thousand

1054
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: rush yards, King Henry twelve hundred rushing yards.

1055
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what of it?

1056
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: Seventeen and oh yeah, what's your point?

1057
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: That's your point? Size them up all right?

1058
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 2: So those are our predictions. We also love hearing from

1059
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: you guys. Let us know your predictions for the upcoming season.

1060
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: You can email us at the lounge at Ravens dot

1061
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: NFL dot net. Always love getting those emails. And we're

1062
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: gonna be playing football here in a few days. The

1063
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: NFL season kicks off Thursday night. Ravens at Chiefs is

1064
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: going to be an awesome game. I can't wait for this.

1065
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: If you are not going to be in Kansas City,

1066
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: you're here in Baltimore, Well, we know just the place

1067
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Speaker 2: to watch this game. Come to the Ravens Official watch

1068
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Speaker 2: Party at M and T Banks Stadium. It's going to

1069
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: be an awesome time. You'll be able to watch the

1070
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: game surrounded by other Ravens fans. We got a whole

1071
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff planned for this. There's gonna be a

1072
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: drone show, there's gonna be a musical act from Quinn

1073
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: ninety two.

1074
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 3: It's just going to be a.

1075
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: Great, great time, so make sure that you are there

1076
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: in the house for that. You can get tickets and

1077
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 2: more info at Baltimore Ravens dot com. It's kickoff week.

1078
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: It's finally here. Can't wait for the game on Thursday night.

1079
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 2: Really exciting stuff. Thank you so much for listening, and

1080
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 2: we will be back with you later this week.