WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Common 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.800 Of Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:09.520 classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora This 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:10.440 Sugar Steave. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:14.239 On this week's QLs classic hip hop artist, actor and 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.599 poet Common talks about how being an NBA ball boy 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.079 brought him court signed for Michael George's rookie season, his 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:25.600 musical influences, and personal memories of his time with Jay Dillon. 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:29.040 Recorded in front of a live audience, February twenty first, 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:31.400 two thousand and eighty. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.000 Here we go, su Primo. 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:43.159 It's up, Supremo, roll call Suprimo, Sun Supremo, roll. 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:46.159 Call SUPREMEA wait, time out of timeout. Let y'all know, 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:48.879 we never tell the guests what they're getting into. So 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.600 those that are familiar that always wonder why the guests 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.440 always mess up during the theme and why. 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.120 His as so big right now, Like what the fuck? 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.279 We literally don't tell them. We just pointed them and watched. 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.880 We have fun at their expense all right. Time for 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:05.080 the SI one two three. 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:13.479 Supremo, Supremo, roll call Suprema s Supremo, roll call Suprema 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:19.479 something something Supreme, roll call Subpremo something something Supremo. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.600 Roll com reck come from the shot. Yeah, they can 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:27.119 looten large amounts. Yeah, Crochet and vegan free. You still 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:27.839 can't count. 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:36.679 Supremo, Suro Supremo something something Supremo roll call. 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:41.399 My name ain't Sugar, My name ain't Bill. It's not 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.080 like yah, my name is young. 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:54.120 Sure, roll Suprema something Supremo. 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:57.840 Roll was not nervous stage right. I want to make 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.560 sure this roll call comes out just right. 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:09.440 Supremo some some Supremo roll call Supremo some some Supremo roll. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:19.200 Yeah, here it testify, Yeah, and all his lies Supremo, 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.280 Supremo roll call. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:30.080 Some Supremo roll call names common. Yeah, I'm for the people. Yeah, 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:35.760 my boys from Philly. Yeah, grow Father Eagles, spre. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:44.440 Supremo, roll Suprema, some Supremo role call Supremo. 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:49.320 Some some Supremo role called Supremo something something. 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:58.079 Supremo roll call. Thank you, Thank you. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.840 boys and girls. Uh, welcome to our very first live 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:06.400 recording of Quest Love Supreme. Uh. I am Questlove. To 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:10.280 the left of me is show producer. Uh and god 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.440 boss Bill. That's right. I will try. My goal for 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:19.040 this is not to make him angry with my rambling. Uh. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:23.920 And to his right, Uh, it's it's like yah as Yeah, 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:29.120 it's like you're not broadcasting on Instagram. 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.120 No, child, I would never do that. 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:36.520 Uh. To the left of Uh. To the left of 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:43.360 Liaiah is uh Sugar Steve, our longtime engineer UH for 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:53.040 uh the hardest kind of the connecting force between uh 0:03:53.560 --> 0:04:00.800 common rash I'm talking about for he was h part 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.440 of the engineering crew of Like Water for Chocolate and 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:09.360 Electric Circus and Voodoo and all the Roots albums. Young Yea, 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.400 we call him Young Gil. Yeah. And I'll say that 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.920 we're recording right now in front of the live audience 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.240 at the Grammacy Theater in Manhattan, kind of a part 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:24.000 of a series of events hosted by the legendary Roots. 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.000 I'm saying the Roots crew, like I don't know those 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:30.520 guys crew celebrating the return of the Grammys in New 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:36.880 York City. And yes, so I'll say that our guest 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:42.719 today can be described I guess he's all things to 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:47.719 all people. Uh. As an actor, he's appeared in over 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:52.920 account at thirty Man, you've been your residuals must be nice, man, 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:58.120 and over thirty TV Film and States productions from TV 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.479 comedies as Scrubs, The Simpsons, The Mindy Project, UH to 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.880 the AMC drama hell On Wills uh to acting alongside 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:10.440 heavyweights like Denzel Washington and American Gangster Ryan Reynolds and 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:14.599 Smoking Aces, Morgan Freeman, Angelina Joli and Want for Us, 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:18.760 Whitaker and Street Kings, Tina Fey and Date Night. UH. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:22.160 Not to mention he's been in Selma, Suicide Squad, John 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:32.160 Wick two, Let Me Give Yes, even his Oscar winning 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:40.200 performance in the BT classic Brooklyn Babbelon. He's also an 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:46.400 actorate actress. He's a damn man. He's an activist, community leader, 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:52.160 a film and TV producer. But it's probably uh. I 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.520 guess he's He's best loved as a street poet at MC. 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:01.479 He's a two time Grammy winner, a Golden Globe and 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:06.760 an Oscar winner, currently nominated for UH two time Oscar nominee. 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.720 I should say uh. He has eleven studio albums, all 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.160 ranging in different styles. I mean he's worked with some 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:16.000 of the best in the business, from UH four forty 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.679 four producer no I d who's currently for a Producer 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.480 of the Year UH to Alicia Keys to Laurence Hill 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.640 that they sold the cut Tip the Most Stuff to 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:30.080 Ice Cue to Kanye West, to fro Yes Yes Yes, 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.120 to the Roots, to the Great Jay Dillar to Kanye West, 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.359 to Stevie Wonder. We don't have that much time. Come on, 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.840 like he anyways shows over thanks every day. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.600 He's really trying to make a big someday. 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.320 Welcome newcomer, common to quest Love, Superior, Lazy, thank you, 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:56.560 Thanks y'all, Thank y'all for having me. I'm excited. I'm 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:58.479 gonna put my headphones on so I can hear you. 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.320 So you said you're excited. 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.360 Yeah, man, I mean this feels good like I mean 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.160 it's for me. It's like we're having a mirror and 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:08.280 you is. 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.800 The exciting thing probably ever feel well. 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.560 In my top, in my top three hundred and sixty three, 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.200 seriously and sixty two. 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.280 It feels great to be coming on here. Thank you. 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.640 Yeah, like it's people. I know, it's great to see us. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.080 Yeah, I forgot to warn you that this is going 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:26.600 to be live in front of an audience as well. 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.120 Yeah he did called him like, hey, you want to 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:33.440 be on the show, just stop by. 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.000 Already already got the warning, Like you don't do no, gotcha, 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.520 Yeah I do god, he got he do? Gotcha good me? 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:40.680 I know I'll get you good. No, I mean we're 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:41.679 gonna warm up first. 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.040 But actually, you know what, it's as long as I've 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:45.960 known you, I mean, I've known you for like twenty years, 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:50.760 but I don't know much about uh, your childhood or 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:55.320 just your the beginning, your your your pre emc years. 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.080 I assume that you were born in Chicago, correct, Yeah, 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.560 born in Chicago? What part? 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.520 I was born and raised on the South side of Chicago, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:10.280 the Hospital County Hospital to be specific. And the funny thing, 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.160 my father always, my father, my father and my mother 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.000 always argued over if it was raining or snowing when 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.560 I was born. And that's I put that in one 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.800 of my new raps now because it's it was always 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.480 a significant thing. My father used to stick with that, 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:25.560 even though when they weren't together. He was like, it 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.200 was snowing when you was born, and my mother always 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:28.960 say it was raining. 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:34.920 But who knows? All right, So can you explain to me? 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.280 I mean, because now, especially in the political climate that 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:42.320 we're in, this whole like hashtag what about Chicago? What 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:47.960 about Chicago? I mean, explain, explain to me what the 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.720 South side of Chicago was like growing up in the 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.680 seventies and the eighties, and then because my thoughts of 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.120 it are just like, Okay, well there's good times. Yeah, 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:01.600 I know that they've had the largest amount of housing projects. 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.679 And then yeah in the United States with Kabete Green 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:08.280 and but just I mean explain to you, like do 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.560 you have fond memories or warm, fuzzy memories. They always 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.520 make it seem like it's like Beroot Circuit nineteen eighty, 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:16.800 like don't you ever go to like that sort of thing? 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.800 Yeah, I mean, well, Chicago is a very segregated city. 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:25.400 Let me start there, and it was actually founded by 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.520 a black man, a Haitian brother by the name of 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:32.000 John Baptist Tusavo. Black culture has been there strong, like 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:39.000 all the depth of black culture meaning church, liquor stores, 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:45.680 gang banging, black excellence music, all that was so for 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:49.680 me growing up, it was like I was around affluent 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.760 black I was in a lower black middle class neighborhood, 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.040 but I was around affluent black people and also around 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:57.679 you know dudes that was gang banging. 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.640 That was part of the culture. But it also was 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:00.359 like a. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:04.120 Black love movement too, Like we had the Black peat 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:08.000 Stones and the Black Panthers also existed, and they worked 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.960 together at certain points, and then you know, we we 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.720 at one point in the mid eighties had our first 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.360 black mayor. He was our Barack Obama. His name was 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.439 Harold Washington Mayor Harold Washington. So it gave our city 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.480 a lot of a lot of pride to see a leader. 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:28.600 In fact, at some point, I believe Barack Obama worked 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.760 on some in some shape form of fashion on one 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:35.480 of Harold Washington's campaigns. But it just really gave me 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.320 a foundation, and a lot of black people growing up 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.840 in Chicago a foundation and an identity like we knew 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.800 who we we knew who we were. And it was 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:50.200 not all violence. It definitely was some violence there, and 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.880 crazy enough, in the mid nineties, the violent the rates 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:59.600 of murder murders were higher at that time than they 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.560 are now. But it's just like a big highlight going 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.880 on right now. And it is really tough right now 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:07.920 because of the fact that you have a lot of 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:13.240 innocent and young and you know, people just walking bystanders 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.720 being killed and it didn't seem like that was the situation. 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.400 But no matter what, we don't want any of the 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.800 violence but it's also such a beautiful city. 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:25.360 You've been there, well, growing up close to a city 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:30.319 that was also similarly affected across the river in Philadelphia. 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:37.240 It's Camden, New Jersey. And because they had the Coca 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:41.640 Cola bottling industry and also Campbell soup factories, everyone was 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:46.040 employed and you know, it was kind of like a 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:50.440 working class society over there. And then once those those 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:55.679 two companies went elsewhere, and it was desolate and then 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.920 there was a rising crime. Like was there an exodus or. 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.480 What was the moment when they started to change? 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:08.000 Well, I think the moment was was Obviously the war 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:12.360 on drugs was part of it because that started taking 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.720 men out of the homes, Black men out of homes. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.800 And then on another level, even to be honest, like 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:24.600 the when the higher up ranking gang members started getting 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:28.720 removed from that culture, then it was like the younger 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:32.360 gang guys was like didn't have an order. It's almost 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.480 like when you watch those mob movies. If somebody that 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:41.319 that that's in the top gets taken away, then it's yeah, yeah, 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.200 it's just it was part of that. That was part 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.200 of it, but on a bigger scale, it was the 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:49.240 it was the War on drugs and and also drugs 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.440 just being in our neighborhood. And then like when a 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.000 lot of opportunities got stripped away, and I don't know 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:58.559 what industry it was, but just jobs started getting stripped away, 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.720 so that that contributed with drugs was a big part 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:02.960 of it. 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:08.640 Did you how did you avoid uh? Gang bang and culture? 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.600 Like how did you avoid or did you or could you? 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.720 I mean like going walking to school? Is it like well, 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:16.240 I mean. 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:20.160 It's it almost is no way to avoid it if 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:24.240 you are I don't, din't. It didn't matter what Like 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.640 I'm my mother's a teacher, my stepfather is a plumber. 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.079 I grew up like for me, that was I had 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.040 a decent home, like I had parents that cared. I 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.600 had an opportunity to go to After the public schools 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.160 went on strike, my mother was like, we're getting you 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:39.040 into private school. 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:39.720 She worked hard. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.160 I got into private school, so I had opportunities, but 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.319 I also didn't. I still had to rub up against 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:46.480 gang culture because on my. 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.800 Block it's dudes. This this part of either. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.839 The Blackstones or four corner hustlers. That's when neighborhood. I 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.640 grew up around vice lords, so it was no way 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.880 I was avoiding it. My way was to be involved 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.360 but not go too crazy. And that's just honestly what 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.640 I did. I was like a part of it, but 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.040 I was like, I'm not going over here to be 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.120 to start shooting. I'm gonna go over here to just 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.080 like make it through. And y'all know I'm down, but 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:15.840 I ain't. You ain't gonna see me. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:17.800 Chill a little, smoke a little, drink a little. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.960 And be on your way right and no fight a little. 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.960 Okay. I was about to say, what kind of in school, 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:24.200 I'm wondering what that but. 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.720 But but my point is it wasn't I had a 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:29.800 What kept me out of it, to be honest, was 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.800 that I had some type of vision for myself or 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.120 a dream for myself. And honestly, that did start with 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.240 like first it was basketball. Then it came into hip hop, 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.720 and I know that sounds so traditional black like, but 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.000 but then it was just more or less just being like, Okay, 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.040 I see Muhammad Ali, I see Michael Jackson, I see 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.200 these people that are thriving that I look as hero 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.200 look up to as heroes. I want to be something. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.400 So I never decided to go like I knew dudes. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.160 That was like, there was the those guys, there was shooters. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:03.600 But did they look at you like that too? Did 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.400 they look at you like, dude, look like he got 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:06.440 a little potential wing? 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:06.680 Gone? 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:09.440 I wasn't that now. It wasn't like I was a 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.400 superstar basketball player. Nobody like where they like, we're gonna 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.960 leave him alone. It just is like they they saw 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:17.920 it went and go go all the way over there. 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.320 And then some of them dudes are just doing that stuff. 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.280 That man, they ain't have no no parents in the house. 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.480 And it's like and I had, yeah, two and my 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.240 mother is a strong figure in my life. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.080 You know. So you were a ball boy doing the 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:37.640 classic Jordan era of the Bulls. Correct, Yeah, I was 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:39.480 like what year, like idyt was? 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.400 Okay, So I was a ball boy from like eighty 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:46.400 four to eighty six. So I remember Michael Jordan's first 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.760 exhibition game. I remember specifically he had a red radio 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.000 playing Houdini and Rod throwing. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.520 The general manager was like, no, you can't play this music. 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.160 And after that first exhibition game, he could play whatever 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:01.680 he wanted. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:07.280 Basically, did you did you know then that? All right? 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.560 You know, like we knew Diyla and we knew Dila 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.640 was God even when he was lifting. Was Shee and 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.960 Michael Jordan that level? Did you already know that this 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.720 guy is like on another level? That? Yeah? It was. 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.760 It was that that rookie year that I really because 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.320 it was something electrifying about him. And we had never 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.120 seen anybody hanging in the air enough respect to doctor 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.920 j but we we hadn't seen we hadn't seen anybody 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.600 hanging away in the air away Mike did the flare 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:37.240 he brought. He brought an energy and a flare and 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.360 the area that we hadn't seen in the NBA. And 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.600 then they knew how to market it too, Like I could. 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.360 I could remember watching his local commercials for Chevrolet and 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.560 different things that he did, and I was like, he 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:52.240 just became immediately one of our greatest heroes and people 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:53.080 we looked up to. 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:54.200 And in Chicago. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.240 But then it started translating across the NBA, so we 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.320 knew after that first season, we knew and it was 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.440 like when he came out and started wearing his own 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.880 Air Jordan gear, we were like, damn, this is incredible. 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.800 In Chicago, we just embraced it like this is our guy. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:11.960 You got to think we had Oprah. 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.880 Around that starting to come at that time too. 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:21.920 So Steve Kerr, that's my dude. 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.679 You did you have one of them corny moments with 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:24.440 him as a ball boy? 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:26.720 He said, he ever give you like a pair of 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.600 sneakers from the first year? Oh man, I had, I gotta. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.959 I got a pair of his shoes, and I actually 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:34.480 ended up giving them to my father. 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:39.119 No, oh, okay, no, it's just father. Yeah, I heard it, 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.760 and I was trying to walk it back. The words 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:45.760 you know already came out to my dad. My dad, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:47.520 the one who got me the job or whatever. 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.359 But my dad used to wear them to my shows 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:55.840 and I'd be like, what are you doing when Michael 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.920 Jordan's actual actual sneakers off the seat? 0:17:59.040 --> 0:17:59.960 What year? What year? 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.080 This was eighty five? It was the first one, the 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.600 first one. Yeah, and we used yo, the first Jordan's. 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:07.439 I mean, I had him off his feet, he signed 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.119 them and everything. But in all truth, I used to 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.439 get all types of nothing as great as MIC's. But 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.240 I used to get Magic's Isaiahs because I worked the 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.640 visiting team's locker room, so I would get Magic Isaiah's. 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:23.000 I would you know you remember those weapons. Yes, I 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:24.800 used to get those. But you know what I would do. 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.720 I would my teachers would. I would when I would 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.120 get in trouble, I would either trade the seekers fuck 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.919 but or I used to sell them. Honestly, A crazy 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.280 story that happened with me. And when Michael was like 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.520 these kids was I mean, they were my age and 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:41.480 maybe a little older. They was like, man, can you 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:43.639 get us Mike Michael Jordan's autograph? Can you get us 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.800 the autographs pregame and I was like, yeah, I'll do it. 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:47.359 I'll do it. 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:51.159 I need five dollars and then so I went to 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:56.199 get Yeah. I when I got the you know paper, 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.480 went down to Mic and was like, man, you know, 0:18:58.560 --> 0:18:59.480 can you sign this for me? 0:18:59.520 --> 0:18:59.639 Man? 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:01.760 I want take it up to these kids. He's like, oh, Man, 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:02.720 you sign it. You know. 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:04.439 He was just kind of in a joking mood. You 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.600 signed it, you could. So I signed it, took it 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.160 up to the kids and it was like, hey man, 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:12.080 I got my five out of and they was like 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.240 just the worst part. They was like, wait, Michael was 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:22.919 spelled wrong. Man, Michael, get. 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:23.480 The money back. 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.440 Yeah, they had to get that money back. I wasn't 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:28.840 the best house Sler, but I was in de. 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:36.200 Mi e A l Ex. I always used to mess 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:36.560 that up. 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:37.399 It's a lot of prices. 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.960 I made that mistake when when uh I had a 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:46.840 T shirt made before uh, one of those Iron one 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:49.159 T shirts that you get on the boardwalk before I 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.520 went to the Victory Tour and the guy let me 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:55.399 spell Michael Mike Hill instead of A E L. 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.879 Yeah, I wasn't. The only one was the victory was 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.720 the victory? The victory to it? That wasn't your first 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.000 concert because that was my first concert I ever went to. 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.040 Yeah, mine was trying and then Victory Tour. 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:07.600 Yeah, they got that question. 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.120 Okay, mine was Steve Kerr. I went to Steve Kerr concert. 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:16.520 So bad. I never saw Michael concerts. But what was 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.199 I will not admit that. You gotta say it, you 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:24.280 gotta say it. Remember that song, Gangstalyn, this song dedicated 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.399 That was my first concert, Steve? 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.080 What was your That was Billy Joel at the Garden? 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.800 I mean he's trying to be cool. I think yours 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:38.119 was weird. Yank Victor. I mean you just want to 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.200 be cool on the record and be like, oh yeah, 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:47.679 Billy Joe. When did oh God, this is such a 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:51.399 cliche movement. So when did hip hop? When did you 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:56.080 fall in love with him? Like way back? No, so 0:20:56.240 --> 0:21:00.480 what what was my life? What was what was by 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:06.880 things fall apart? I know? What was hip hop's culture 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:11.159 in Chicago growing up? I mean, well, who were the 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:13.959 local heroes? Who? Who did you see? It was like 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:15.399 I want to do that. 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:20.239 Well, I mean it was honestly just us loving just 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:24.440 anything that came out of New York, West Coast Philly. 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.239 You know, we we were up on any We were 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.760 just seeking out hip hop because once by the time 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:35.160 you know, obviously Africa, Bambarda and and you know grand 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:38.000 Master Flash and the Furious Five, that was early. But 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.280 by the time run DMC that it had us Run 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.440 demn c l L. Then Eric being Rock Kim came. 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:47.479 But so we were we were like just soaking up everything. 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:47.880 We weren't. 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.199 That's why even when I listened to some of my 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:53.800 first early some of the earlier music I made, first albums, 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.960 it was like I could hit a mixture of the 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:01.360 influence of k Arrest to Ice n W A two 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:04.240 to rock Him, you know, like I could hear those 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.720 influences because we were soaking it all in. 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:09.760 And you know, so, yeah, that's what. That's what. 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.959 Because Chicago had a real strong house music scene. So 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.800 the people that were the Chicago heroes as far as 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:19.080 hip hop goes, was more like DJ's on the radio. 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.239 It wasn't really a lot of rap artists that was like, 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.440 y'all put Chicago on the map. In fact, our first 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:27.320 artist was Twister. They came out for Chicago. 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:28.880 Really that's the first. 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:32.800 Yeah, I mean it came out on record, like that 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:33.439 was the first. 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:36.960 So when did you know you could put it? When 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:38.440 did you know you could put pen the paper? 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.159 Well, I was with my cousin. 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:45.360 I used to visit my cousin in Cincinnati like every summer, 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:47.840 and I don't have a big family, so we that 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:51.359 was like one of my best friends and uh we 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:53.040 we had these dudes that was a little bit older 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:56.480 than us. They was like Cincinnati's run DMC. Their name 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.919 was the bond Hill Crew, so we used to that 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:01.000 was the neighborhood my cousin and stayed at bond Hill, 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:05.199 So we were like they were. He wrote, So I 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:06.959 was like, man that said, this is seventh grade. I 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.360 remember sitting there. We was we were up late night 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:11.679 and I was like, man, let's write some raps. But 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:13.760 my cousin might have said let's write some raps. So 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:15.920 I wrote my I wrote my rap, he wrote his, 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:18.720 and then that next day when we started saying it, 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:22.520 everybody was like responding to my rap, and I was like, Yo, 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:24.440 this is a great feeling. Like I was like, this 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:28.320 is incredible, and and then uh. 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:29.160 Like they knew my rap. 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:31.200 And then I started writing for some of my friends 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:33.240 and it was just like, oh man, I. 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:34.560 Could really really do this. 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:37.479 And it came from me loving I loved like James 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.600 Bowing and Langston Hughes and and then I loved hip hop. 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:43.840 Hip Hop was the thing that I'm not like as 0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:46.639 gifted as this guy over here with with the music 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:49.280 and all like her. 0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:51.520 Now a man knows all this music. 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:55.280 So so anyway, I'm gonna kick some of my first rap. 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:56.520 Oh ship, all right, let's go. 0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:01.600 The first wrap wrote BeBox Force Wait I gotta be 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:11.239 no wait wait wait wait wait wait, hang on, hang on, 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:15.760 hang on, hang on Today today Uh. 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:20.120 Well, let me tell you about a trip A time 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:22.760 was go. I was going there to run a cold 0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:25.440 bloody show. When I was there, I saw some people 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:29.440 jamming too. They called themselves the Bond. He'll Cool, Doctor Ice, 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.760 Romeo and Master eat all of the Bond hell Cool 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:36.480 rapp into her tea. I still could day rock with me, 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:37.080 that's all. 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:50.119 I remember your first your first, Come on, man, I 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:53.080 remember my first verse. I don't. I was always the 0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:54.840 beat maker. I was. I was the oneach table guy. 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:58.320 He killed the last night you were rock and y'all 0:24:58.320 --> 0:24:58.960 know you be boxing? 0:24:59.160 --> 0:24:59.560 Was she? 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:02.840 She? She style? 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:06.119 It was probably the highlight, and I wasn't expecting it 0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:09.679 to be the highlight at all, but it was. We 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:13.720 did the Death Fresh Crew tonight to get out to. 0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:20.000 Yeah it was. It was dope anyway. Yeah, for those 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:23.160 that are listening, Uh, the roots have nightly jam sessions 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:26.720 all throughout Grammy weekend. Last night we had wide Cleft Jean, 0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:30.439 We had Roxane Chante. Uh, we had Tatha g from 0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:32.760 him to me. She came and did juicy fruit. What 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:37.720 it sounded, Yeah, it was I'm coming tonight. Yeah, rock 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.280 on all right, so we might see some August green 0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:46.160 action happen tonight. So were you I can't hear you anyway, 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:51.720 So did you? Were you always common sense? No? What 0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.120 was your first? Yeah? Give me the evolution of your names, 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:57.919 because no one that's their names now was ever their names. Like, 0:25:57.960 --> 0:25:59.080 what was your first few names? 0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.560 One of my first names was the Black Poet Cayden, 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:10.040 I don't know, I don't know where that came. And 0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:12.560 then I was just in a group called c DR, 0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:15.399 which was just still for Corey Dion and Rashid Dian 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:20.280 has no idea who we talked about earlier. So yeah, 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:22.879 he actually rhymed, but he was more producing, but he 0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:28.160 was kind of doing the producer rhyme thing. Pete Rackish, yeah, 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:32.080 but so them those are the only names. Only Rashied 0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:34.400 and then the Black Poet K and then I had 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.120 some other name but I can't remember. Man, they were whack. 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:39.840 I came up with common sense. I was going to 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:42.280 school down at Florida and them, and they used to 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:43.480 call weed senci over. 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:45.280 They may still have it done. 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:47.560 And one boy was sitting there smoking some weed one 0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:51.040 time and I was like, my mother used to always say, boy, 0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.160 you better use common sense, and I for some reason 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.400 the two just connected and I was like, man, I'm 0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:57.880 gonna use the name common sense, and I just shouted 0:26:57.880 --> 0:26:59.800 it out. My friends were like, yeah, that's that's decent. 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:03.440 Always thought it was like a name that was unique 0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:05.080 but still kind of every day. 0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:07.240 And when when. 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:10.280 The band actually sued me for my name, that's when 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:11.120 I lost my hand. 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:12.920 Man, you know I was I was stressed out. 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:17.760 Really yeah, you know I was gonna lose my hand anyway. 0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:21.040 But but but the gist of it was, you can't 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:22.000 be your name no more. 0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:22.640 Yeah, you can't. 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.560 You know you think you're like, man, I've built up. 0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:28.600 This was after the resurrection. My second I'm like, I'm 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:31.480 just getting to be known as something. Somebody knows who 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.280 I am. And now y'all taking away the name common 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:36.360 sense I was, you know, all the. 0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.000 Greats go through it, like Biggie Smalls couldn't have been 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:42.600 Biggie Smalls. We couldn't have been Square Roots. Yeah that's right. 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:44.320 You couldn't have been Square Roots. 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:45.680 Because there was a band in Philly. 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.200 Uh that threaten Are you glad? 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:50.119 I know you glad you took off the squad now 0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:52.359 and I'm glad. Are you? Do you still miss Commons? 0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:54.639 Well we still call you common sense? Yeah, but I 0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:56.000 mean I don't miss common sense. 0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.800 I actually felt like it was all divine order, you 0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.480 know how you want some bad and then you look 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:03.880 look back and be like, oh, this's worked out right, 0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:07.080 because you know, common kind of represents the every day 0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:09.960 person that I believe I am, and I think people 0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:11.240 just really. 0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:19.400 Really that to day. Come on, just because he has 0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:22.960 this perception that because you have a specific gig that 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:25.480 you're just disconnected from people like you don't have cousins 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:27.640 like you don't have the same friends like you don't. 0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:30.639 Just because you have that journey to another level doesn't 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:35.680 mean that the nine other people in your life are 0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:37.080 in that position. 0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:39.280 Both regular people, I got it. 0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:45.400 Yeah, we're common folks. Look, I'm learning sneakers by a kid. 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:47.440 I want to say nothing, but I was wondering if 0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:48.320 that was a fascist thing. 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.360 Man, I did Pete that. I was like, I have 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:57.880 you have a deal with that. I'm trolling Kanye So 0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:04.040 we're you know, even though Adidas is our sponsor. You know, suddenly, uh, 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:07.640 when it's time for okay, I just said I was 0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:09.000 a man of the people, but then I'm about to 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:14.800 do someone i'm talking about's office to get my new yeezies. 0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:16.560 You're right, what common people do? 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.920 Suddenly I feel like I feel like, well, no, it's 0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:23.160 just my way of hustling. Uh. For some reason, there's 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:27.400 been a shutdown of me getting There's a rumor out 0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:31.000 that I've been disrespecting his brand and by dogging them, 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:33.520 And my my argument was like, who told you to 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:35.000 make such a comfortable ass sneaker? 0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:36.680 Of course I'm gonna work well because you do wear 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:38.680 them to the Oh you're supposed to rock them fresh. 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.000 Well, yeah, I've rocked a few pair of Yeezis that 0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:44.520 I've rocked so much that they look like broken down 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.960 convert sneakers, like sneakers be leaning to the side and 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:51.560 all that stuff and so much. Disagreeted, he was sort 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.520 of like, stop disrespecting my brand, Like, get you some 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:55.840 new Yeezy's, Like I can now that's a one percent shit, 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.080 spend another three thousand dollars on my sneakers like that 0:29:59.200 --> 0:29:59.680 sort of thing. 0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:02.200 Enough, do you automatically get the new Yeasis when they 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:04.320 come out or does he let you know what is it? 0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:06.840 Well? Sometimes I get them, sometimes I don't. Actually, you 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:11.160 know crochets are You're right? 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:13.800 Oh man, he does need to make me some special 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.600 some like water for chocolate additions. 0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:22.960 So anyway, my electric circus, my my protests my protests 0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:28.040 to UH to his UH blocking me from getting his 0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:31.160 easies was I took all of my white easies and 0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:45.320 had them custom pain Holy Ikia Walmart level comm have 0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:50.920 some money? Yeah she does anyway. So in Florida, A 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:54.400 and M like, I became aware of you because of 0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:58.720 source onund sign hight Uh Okay for those that were 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.640 born after do we really have to explain that ninety 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:05.320 Yes we do because it's twenty eighteen and some people 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:07.520 might not know what the source was, like why he 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.720 was born in nineteen ninety sources? Oh you do, you're 0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:13.560 born in eighty six. Okay, y'all know. 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:16.520 What the source is magazine these grown folks, that's right. 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:20.720 But we're broadcasting over on Pandora for four point five 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:26.000 million people. So anyway, there's there's a section in the 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:30.720 former Bible of hip hop whatever that is called unsigned hype, 0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.680 and we just went through that. Right, Well, I'll do it. 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:35.040 See this is what I'm talking about. I don't have 0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:38.280 anger anyway, so common that's how I knew of you 0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.680 because you were in the unsigned hype back in nineteen 0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:44.520 ninety one ninety two. So did you work on your 0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:45.240 demo at. 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:48.000 Florida A and m or I worked on the demo 0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:50.600 before we got to a FAM, before I got to 0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.920 Florida and them, and then we sent that demo out 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:58.800 and we heard that we had got selected for I'm 0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.120 saying we because they always felt like it was collective. 0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.800 It was me and no I d Twilight Tone, even 0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:04.960 our manager Derek. 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:11.200 You know how everything feels. Wait, r no, not rhyman. No, no, no, 0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:12.440 let's let's keep things. 0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:16.080 I know Derek, I was like, what, yeah, But I mean, 0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.000 you know, like most managers, he wanted to rhyme or 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.960 do something creative, but nah, he's he stuck to the business. 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:26.520 But when we got selected for for that Unsigned Hype, 0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:28.520 that was like a big moment for me, Like it 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:32.960 was being from Chicago and and also like being at 0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:35.560 a black college. It's just everybody was like, whoa, you 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:39.000 actually might be able to do something with this MC 0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:42.520 and thing. Because my mother was like, she barely even 0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:45.640 knew I rapped, really when I first got offered, Like 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.480 that's honestly how we got signed that because they were 0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:52.840 Relativity Records was doing an album with the Unsigned Hype. 0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:55.920 They had Biggie, they had Mob Deep, they had all 0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:58.440 of us all these because Biggie was unsign Hype, so 0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:00.360 it was mob deep. They had all of was doing 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:04.320 an album and it never the project never went through. 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.000 So they ended up pulling me and saying, man, we're 0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:10.280 gonna sign you to you know, we're thinking about signing you. 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.880 So we had a meeting and man, that's how I 0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:15.000 got signed from from that source unsigned hype. 0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:18.800 And as you said, the source was the I mean. 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:20.880 Every time I made an album project at that time, 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:23.480 like please, can I get five mics in the source? 0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:25.680 You know we all wanted that, did you all? You 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:28.040 all got five mics for we got to four and 0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.960 a half, but you got a I think four and 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:32.920 a half is better than the five, you know what 0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:37.160 I'm saying. So be got four and a half? Right, yeah? Probably? 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.920 So yeah, Yeah. 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.200 You were an unsigned Hype longer than you were at them. 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:48.120 Is that dumb? I've heard one semester, I've heard a month. 0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:52.640 I was there for a year and a half. But 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:55.720 I will say, no, you're not gonna tell the story, 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:56.120 are you. 0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:57.440 No? I got straight a's. 0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:02.400 I got straight a's my second's at FAM so and 0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:06.120 I was majoring in business administration, like going to professional 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:07.520 development classes and all that. 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:10.279 What story was you talking about? Man? No, Well, the 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:17.680 you remember the Canada border story with so you know, 0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:22.680 you know you have to tell the story now. No, okay, okay, okay, okay, 0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:25.960 it's okay. Basically, he was on tour with us. Let him, 0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:28.280 let him tell the Well, let me set up the preface. 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:33.440 I'm just saying that this was ninety This was ninety nine, 0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:39.279 two thousand and Probably it's easier now because I think 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:44.560 now that we're of age, that a lot of officers 0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.640 and people in authority are kind of our age, so 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.600 they recognize us now. But back then, you know, to 0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:52.319 get into Canada, Like it's easier for me to get 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:56.080 into the Middle Eastern Dubai than it is to fly 0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:56.720 into Canada. 0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:59.160 Yeah, y'all had a few situations the roots. I remember that. 0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:02.040 Yeah, we had a lot. So the silliest one of 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:06.400 all was they made to, you know, the beginning of 0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:08.480 The Simpsons when Bart has to write on the board 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:10.200 like I will not talk in class, I will not 0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:16.280 like just to mess with Rashid and Tarique for small stuff, 0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:21.800 like they had to write a two page book report 0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:28.319 on the merits of human responsibility and how they're you know, 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:31.839 And then I asked roch, like, what happened? What's on 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:36.640 your record? And you told me the okay, So I mean, 0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:38.880 just to be real open and stuff. 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.920 It's all good. So I was, you know, at college, 0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:45.239 and you know, I'm a Chicago kid. We had a 0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:47.880 little bit of just slickness to us, hustle and stuff, 0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:50.120 and like I said, I was doing different things. 0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.640 But so so. 0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:56.680 One of my one of the guys we knew from Chicago, 0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:00.319 had a roommate who they kind of looked alike. So 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:03.520 me and my guys talked to him and say, yo, 0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:06.720 you need to get his I D and and checks 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:08.160 and we're going to shopping. 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:15.200 So we ended up made so sweet ended real week 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:15.920 that this is. 0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.319 The story we ended up. He got the checks in 0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:21.279 the in the in the I D. We ended up 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:25.280 going all around Tallahassee buying TVs, buying sweatsuit. 0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:32.480 Whoa, this is another story. I was you might want 0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:35.120 to walk this back, Brora. 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.600 Obviously I got caught up on this one. I wouldn't 0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:46.319 be talking about giving a convention to a murder making 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:47.200 a murder of course. 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:47.520 Love. 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:54.560 So so we we go shopping everywhere sweatsuits, everything. 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:55.920 We down to the last store. 0:36:56.680 --> 0:37:01.919 It's been an all day excursion and and uh, man, 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:05.000 we see he taking a long time in that at 0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:06.719 the mars called Government Square mall. 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.080 He taking a long time in Themorrow. He come. 0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:11.520 We see him coming out. He coming out handcuffs. Now 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:14.279 mind you, I'm just the dude driving and you know, 0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:17.160 taking them around at every store. So we're like, damn, 0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:19.480 he got caught. He got locked up. So we were 0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:21.680 waiting at the house and I remember specifically, we was 0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:25.200 watching American Music Awards Michael Jackson. We watching it on 0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:29.319 the new TV, Michael Jackson sitting there and we're telling it, 0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:31.279 eating it like, man, we got to wait to get 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:31.719 that car. 0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:36.400 And we had Yeah, We're like, what's up? Who is that? 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:39.000 And then it's the police. We got your house around it. 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:50.080 They come in on us, and mind you, it was 0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.319 other it was other cats there with us. Actually it 0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:54.040 was one of my friends that kind of led the 0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:57.759 way that actually was a good persuader and led the 0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.160 way out. Like I said, I was the driver, but 0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:03.960 for some reason a guy who got caught only pointed 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:09.600 me out. So I ended up getting knocked up and 0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:12.279 I ended up having to do the thing where you 0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:17.040 pick up trash on the on the highway. Yeah, community 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:21.279 service community, you said FAM because the other situation was 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:21.879 another thing. 0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.680 But it was this other thing. 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:31.080 If people do. 0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:41.640 Look, look, you know that that years it happened. It happened. 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.040 So sorry for bringing that up. I'm sorry. 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:47.400 I love that you lived all these lives. 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:49.040 I mean, I feel like I feel like at the 0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:50.719 end of the day, you grow and learn. You know, 0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:53.000 I ain't you know, ain't nobody trying to move like 0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:55.480 that now. But you know that was that was the 0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:58.920 thing where you kind of like get influenced to I 0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.879 take responsibility, but for what what I do? 0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:03.560 You know? But it was what I did too. 0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:06.000 But it was like, man, you really can't like at 0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:09.000 a group like because I wasn't initially my idea, but 0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:12.319 I'm like, okay, I'm driving and what's so crazy on 0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:14.359 some on some serious stuff like you know, I've been 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:17.920 going to visit, you know, going to visit prisons and 0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:21.640 talking with people inside it that's incarcerated, and I've met 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.120 people that are doing life sentences for being in the 0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:26.600 car for something. 0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:29.040 So it put things in perspective. 0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:32.839 For me, like, yeah, how many times I don't mean 0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:34.600 it gets so serious, but it's real. 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:38.200 How many times that night did you say the following sentence, 0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:40.520 I'm just the driver, I'm. 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:41.120 Just the driver. 0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:43.960 Yeah, they weren't going for that man, they you know 0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:46.399 I was. I was sitting there thinking like, why did 0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:48.239 you only point me out? Not that I wanted to 0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:51.800 point anybody else, but just like be quiet at that point. 0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:55.640 But and this is postman post raight A's just to 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:57.080 be clear, I mean. 0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.920 This is doing fam. This was faum straight A's day. 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:02.160 So that's ill because now you got a daughter. It's 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:03.880 funny because I look on Instagram and I see your 0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:07.279 daughters in college. So it's a totally different experience looking 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:09.600 at what she's going through versus what you went through 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:11.439 and you sharing those stories with her. 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:13.640 Yeah, I mean that's why I'm grateful that I went 0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:15.879 through those things. Obviously, I'm grateful that I came out 0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:18.920 of it on a on a positive side, because one 0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.799 thing I did I always say no matter how much 0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:24.759 like things that I did, I wasn't like, like I said, 0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:25.759 I want no killer, but my. 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:26.680 Heart was always good. 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.480 I never really wanted to damage people, but I just 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:31.840 get caught up in stuff and do certain things. But 0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:36.160 you know, I know, obviously stealing from somebody was damaging 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:36.960 some way or another. 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:39.200 But you made it sound real, innocent and good though. 0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:41.480 But it was a college Obviously. You a lover, not 0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:43.400 a fighter. I hear it in your spirit. 0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:45.799 I only fight for the right. How can we get 0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:46.600 to the first record? 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:47.759 So that. 0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:58.440 God? Well you you were first signing Relativity Records? Correct, 0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:05.560 So just that whole? What was your whole? I don't know, 0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:08.120 like your aspirations. Once you had a record deal, did 0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:10.160 you feel like well, first of all, how did you 0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:13.840 explain to your mom that you're not going to go 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:17.200 back to school? And you know, my story was that 0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:22.800 my dad didn't know about the Roots until the second album? No, seriously, 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:25.160 he didn't know until do you want more? So Olive 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:27.080 organics like I just hit you and he thought I 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.799 was still going to college and I wasn't. But how 0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:33.080 did you get out of telling your mom, well, you're 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:34.280 not going back to college? 0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:37.240 And I think, I mean similar to a certain degree. 0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:39.719 My mother didn't even know I was rapping, you know, 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:43.040 she just and I said, look, man, I got a contract, 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.000 and I want to leave school and go pursue my 0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:48.440 rap career. She like rap you know, she kind of 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:51.680 wasn't even she knew about it, like as a maybe 0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.279 saw something out there, but she didn't think of it 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.680 as a profession. She was like, man, you need to 0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:59.000 stay in school. And I was like, look, min, this 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:00.960 is a dream. Blah blah. She was like, Okay, I'm 0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:04.520 gonna give you a year and a half and then 0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:07.440 if it doesn't work. If it doesn't work, then you 0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:10.600 need to be back in school. And she saw how 0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:14.040 hard I was pursuing my goals. Initially was just to 0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:16.799 be like to make a record, you know. I mean, 0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:19.200 you know, as when you look when we used to 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:21.920 look at like Rap City and all these artists out there, 0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:24.719 you would think once you see Big Daddy Kane or 0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:27.279 you see KRS or you see the NWA, you think 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.080 they just rich and they got it made. When you 0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:31.600 see that, you got a video. So I was like, man, 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:34.040 if I get a video and get a record out, 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:35.960 then life is done. 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:37.000 Life is good. 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.400 I made it, but man, it was such an awakening 0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:43.600 when I released my first single and went around doing promo, 0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:46.800 going to every city, doing all the work, and it 0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:49.400 still didn't really get to radio or get to that 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:52.040 level of what I saw big records on the box. 0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:58.440 Y'all remember the box, right, So your video exactly had 0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:06.040 everybody calling up and that I was like, yeah, that's 0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:08.400 what I did. Yeah, you best believe a call from Motown, 0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:12.560 Philly like every five minutes, don't blinks it right exactly. 0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:16.359 So wait, your first deal? What kind of I mean, 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:17.520 not to be in your business, but what kind of 0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:18.919 money is that? Because I'm like, is that your mother 0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:21.239 was like, Okay, that's that's a couple of dollars. I 0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:22.319 can chill. 0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:26.920 I advanced and to this day, I think, you know, 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:30.880 it was a little like Twilight and No Idea. It 0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:34.200 was like, what the hell? We split five thousand dollars? 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:34.600 What? 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:38.120 Yeah, yeah, man, we spit. We split five thousand dollars. 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:40.400 As far as what went into I think, and I 0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:43.240 think our recording budget may have been forty thousand dollars 0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:46.920 or something of that nature. I literally remember signing a 0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:51.560 contract for Relativity at Relativity in Queens, New York and 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:53.840 getting in the car and I sat in the hatchback 0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:56.160 of Peter King, who was our A and R's car, 0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:57.560 because he ain't have enough room. 0:43:57.680 --> 0:43:59.560 So it was like it was. 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:01.880 I said, in the hatch, back in the back in 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:04.840 the Yeah. So it was like one of those things 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:08.800 where it really became the journey. And I'm super grateful 0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.879 for the journey because when we talk about every day 0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:16.520 people and stuff like that, like being common, me nor 0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:19.319 the roots were able to be like come out and 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:21.839 just have a big single and things just your life 0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:25.839 just changes. It's always been like a yeah, a gradual thing, 0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:29.239 working class works, working classroom. See, as simple as that, 0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:32.520 And so it makes you value things more. You like 0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:35.279 you you also know how to stay humble because you 0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:38.200 know it's ups and downs in this in this whole thing, 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:40.279 and and you don't get too shook by the by 0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:43.600 the lows either, like because it's gonna be lows, and 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:45.520 then you don't get too shook by that because you know, 0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:48.080 as a working class artist, you're like, this is what 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:51.319 I love to do. Times go get times go heat up, 0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:53.960 times go get colder, but you just keep striving. 0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:56.680 So yeah, and in the early nineties, I mean that 0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:00.160 was typical for I mean rap record deals. It is 0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:04.480 sort of like what junk bonds are to Wall Street. 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:10.280 No real talk. Deyla Soul's entire first album was twenty 0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:13.560 five thousand, three Rising cost twenty five thousand. Everything. That's 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:19.520 the entire budget. Cypress Hill's debut album seventy five thousand, 0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:23.920 just to put in perspective, invokes Funky Divas their debut, 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:28.440 their sophomore album, that budget was two point five million. Wow. 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:32.040 The Metallica Black album that was five million. Michael Jackson's 0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:35.279 Dangerous was ten million. So you know, a lot of 0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.799 the early hip hop staples like a trib call Quest 0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:41.200 celebrated because they at least had a six figure deal. 0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:45.080 But even then, there's like two hundred thousand dollars, which 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:49.520 is pennies, you know, compared to That's how much of 0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:53.160 the Redhead step child hip hop was compared to the 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:58.399 to the rest of the industry. So I'll say that 0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:04.200 probably your most notable single, well, your most iconic single 0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:10.040 is I Used to Love Her weird uh weird uh 0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:17.960 uh acronym. I won't talk about the yeah, but what 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:23.120 what was the what was the genesis of I used 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:25.480 to Love Her? Well? 0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:28.880 I was I can think about specifically where I was 0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:29.400 at and when the. 0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:33.120 Time hip hop in its everyday hip hop. 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:37.000 Hip you got revealed. No, that was it? No, that's 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:37.719 not it. 0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:38.680 Does that makes sense? 0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:43.640 No, it's hip hop and its essence and real ah okay, yeah, 0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:47.920 but in the acronym, you know, you don't put in it. 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:50.120 You don't put an acronym. You don't have to put 0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:54.560 the little small words get semester. 0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:55.640 That's right. 0:46:55.760 --> 0:47:01.719 That your official official. Okay, Burbon I've been I've been 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:05.279 teasing you forever for that anyway. So yeah, for those 0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:12.000 that don't know, it's it's a story in which he 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:16.920 personifies hip hop as a girlfriend, his first girlfriend, and 0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:21.960 describes her. I guess her movements her, you know, how 0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:24.480 they first met and how she grew up, and how 0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:27.520 they fell apart and got back together. And it really 0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:31.640 touched a lot of people. I guess it struck a nerve, 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:34.960 I'll say, But what was the what was the genesis 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:36.080 of that creation? 0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:40.560 Well, it was, as I said, I've been a fan 0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:45.840 of just all aspects of hip hop, and what struck 0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:49.480 me was I started to see people on the East 0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:54.200 Coast imitating West Coast artists and that was really like 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:57.040 for me, one of the things that hip hop was 0:47:57.040 --> 0:47:59.560 always you would hear people from Queen's be like, Yo, 0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:02.720 this is like this is what we represent. We East 0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:07.520 Coast New York, and I saw artists that was like 0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:10.839 doing West Coast stuff, like rolling around in cars like 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:14.520 that they don't do out here, and I just felt 0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:17.759 like some of the culture was being lost, some of 0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:20.319 the periody of it was being lost, and that just 0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:23.000 was the thought actually came to my mind because I 0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:26.040 was just sitting around and once again I don't really 0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:28.840 smoke weeds, so my friends were smoking and I probably 0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:32.960 was just chilling like it was ninety ninety three and 0:48:33.000 --> 0:48:35.319 a lot of hip hop I was listening to, from 0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:38.600 Midnight Marauders to Balloon Mind State to Sol's a Mischief. 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:40.799 But I also was kind of in a hip hop work, 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.080 not a workshop, but like a camp almost because it 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:47.440 was no Id had these other dudes there that was rhyming, 0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:51.680 this dude herb G and Cap and Milo from they 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:54.359 were from Indiana, so it was always rhyming and we 0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:56.879 were just freestyling and doing stuff. So I was kind 0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:59.560 of sharpening myself and getting more introduced to all these 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.719 new things, whether it was jazz music, which I wasn't 0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:05.520 up on like to be honest, and then it was 0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:09.000 like I just was sitting there one night and said, man, 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:11.279 what if I made hip hop a woman and just 0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:15.040 and don't tell that I'm talking about hip hop until 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:15.480 the end. 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:21.600 And couldn't you find a real woman? Hey? 0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:25.200 You know this is like a real love story that like, 0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:27.400 I mean, I could have found a real woman. But no, 0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:30.960 you know what was so what was so crazy was 0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:32.960 like and I thought about this this the other day, 0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:36.520 like when you're young in nineteen and you do a 0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:41.080 love song, your friends look like, why are you giving 0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:43.400 this girl heart his love? Because I was rapping I 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:45.319 used to love it in the booth and one of 0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:47.920 my best friends, ra Son, was looking frowning while I 0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:50.479 was rapping it until I said, who I'm talking about 0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:51.399 y'all's hip hop? 0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:55.360 And he was like, oh shit, but that's kind of 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:55.960 fucked up up. 0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:58.239 I know it is. I was saying, it's a messed 0:49:58.320 --> 0:49:58.839 up child. 0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.160 Yes, I mean the reason why I thought about it 0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:03.040 because I was, you know, you know, with so much 0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:04.800 going on and we're talking about the change and the 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:08.200 culture and stuff women and women, I was thinking like, damn, 0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:10.960 I couldn't even rap a love song at nineteen, and 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:16.920 my somebody supported But eventually, obviously we know, as we know, 0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:19.560 I went out because when you said when you was 0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:23.880 like one of or you were talking about one of 0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:25.680 when I thought you was gonna say the light was 0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:28.120 my most I forgot. 0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:28.680 About the light? How you? 0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:31.799 I just thought we was going to. 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.399 I'm gonna tell you my light story. But we when 0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:37.080 we get to when we get to the chocolate ears. 0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:41.719 But did you were you? First of all? I mean, 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:45.920 as an MC, I'll say that you you're probably the 0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:54.080 most evolved human. I know that's an artist, because I mean, 0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:58.759 as an MC, you've stuck to hip hop's rules of 0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:01.200 just I feel like you right in the moment and 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:03.359 just be like all right, I'm gonna suff the consequence later. 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:05.640 I'm gonna just say, like you said, some of the 0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:11.240 wildest shit ever on Wax offensive, non offense, whatever, just whatever, 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:16.320 and like and I'll be like, Russ, what's gonna happen? 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:21.000 Like when you, at least for I used to love her? Like, 0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:23.960 were you not thinking at all? Like maybe Dosa Effects 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:26.719 might take offense to this? Maybe the West Coast might 0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:30.160 take offense to this, and I'll just let me go 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:32.800 for it. Like did you have any idea that people 0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:36.279 would I was or did you just not think like 0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:38.640 this single? Just be like my little single no it's 0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:39.440 not no no no no. 0:51:39.640 --> 0:51:42.200 I said, Man, you brought up a good point because 0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:45.359 when that was also part of it. Why I Used 0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:48.239 to Love Her came about too is because it was 0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:50.919 like once Dots Effects would do something, everybody would start 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:53.200 rhyming like that, and I was I was like, the 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:56.320 rigid hip hop was always about like what are you 0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:58.680 doing this fresh? That's why we use the word fresh, 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:02.160 what's the original? What's your waist? And I felt like 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:05.160 when I wrote I used to Love Her, I had 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:08.600 enough courage and like my heart and I felt like 0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:12.759 I'm speaking my truth, so if my truth gets i 0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:14.640 catch some repercussions because of it. 0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:15.000 Cool. 0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:16.680 I didn't think it was gonna come from the West 0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:19.080 Coast because I kind of said she broke to the 0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:21.279 West Coast and that was cool around the same time 0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:23.799 I went away to school, and I'm a man of expanding. 0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:25.640 Well, I know that, but I'm just saying that I 0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:29.080 know that you meant, and now I see motherfucker slamming 0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:31.040 and taking her to the sewer. I didn't think that 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:35.120 you meant like Dots Effects onyx ice Cube. You meant 0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:39.319 the clones of those guys clones, But did you ever 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:42.120 see Dosa effects or onyx and then not think like, oh, 0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:44.680 you were talking about us, not our clones or well 0:52:44.760 --> 0:52:45.080 what that. 0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:48.120 Was The one thing that that that I have to say, 0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:52.120 going back to the South Side that I was still had. 0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:56.560 In me was a crew A crew crew. 0:52:56.840 --> 0:53:00.239 So so that's effects I actually thought they dis on 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:03.239 the song and my boys just brought this up. I 0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:08.200 went down to their dressing room and with my guys Chicago. 0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:11.560 And was doing the forty years. Yeah, I was like, 0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:14.279 what's up? What's up now? You know, like how you 0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:19.520 came in the door. They just steal their TV right away. 0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:25.480 But by the way, man, I had some yo, my friends, 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:28.520 some of my crew. I mean I remember doing the 0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:31.439 show with Koogi Rap opening up for Coogie Rapping Red 0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:34.719 Man and this is the we my friends just was 0:53:35.200 --> 0:53:37.759 didn't know, but they straight went into that dressing room 0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:39.520 and ate that food from the rider. 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:40.120 No. 0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:42.520 Yeah, it like took there for and I had to 0:53:42.520 --> 0:53:46.120 pay for it. Like anyway, My point is you minuted 0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:48.839 they minuted it. No, but they just knew like cause 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:49.880 we were the first ones there. 0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:51.880 I had. It was in my neighborhood. The show was 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:52.760 at the Regal Theater. 0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:59.759 So it's like, yeah, so anyway, I don't remember what 0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:00.680 the initial thing. 0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:01.480 What were we saying. 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:02.520 Do we just taught lessons? 0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:04.960 Yeah? No, I had to learn that. 0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:07.359 I learned that and and I was like, look, man, 0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:09.759 we getting the list and this is what we can do, 0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:11.840 and we you know, we start you grow from that. 0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:14.600 You start learning. I can't just roll and just roll 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:17.640 have like forty people with me. It just is not productive. 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:21.240 And especially once you start putting in perspective this is this. 0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:23.319 Is my profession. Oh that's what I was talking about. 0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:26.000 Even when when I did the West Coast, I mean 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:28.520 even when mac ten and Ice Ice Q to them 0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:31.960 came out with the disc record. We were in Atlanta 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:35.440 doing the show with Grand Pooba Outcast and mac Ten 0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:38.680 and these and those guys, and uh we saw them 0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:40.960 at the show and they you know, they kind of 0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:41.920 just walked past and. 0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:44.879 Then when they got to the. 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:45.799 End of the hallway, they was like they hollowed out 0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.680 west Side and we was like, we south side. What 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:51.200 that means to us? You know, Like so it was 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:54.279 it was put it this way. I was able to 0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:58.239 speak my truth because I spoke that same truth around people. 0:54:58.400 --> 0:54:59.160 I was around. 0:54:59.320 --> 0:55:02.560 So if I couldn't do it into into the culture, 0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:04.719 then what am I really doing? Plus we used to 0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:06.960 say stuff in hip hop like you could. I was 0:55:06.960 --> 0:55:09.600 listening to Pooh Bah and he was like talking about 0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:12.000 Oprah or something. You know, you would say stuff like 0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:14.640 this raw stuff ignorant. 0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:17.080 It don't go viral like it does now. But wait, 0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:19.440 can we talk about beefs? Can I just ask about 0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:23.040 fair Con? Because I always thought that was ill and 0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:25.200 I think maybe it was like one more beef after 0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:27.239 you guys were he intoed. But what was that like 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:29.719 for fara con into your situation like that and being 0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:32.120 from Chicago? How did that happen? 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:36.759 It was really it was pretty I would say power. 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:40.160 It was really powerful in many ways because it was 0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:43.480 right after First of all, I kind of, you know, 0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:46.279 got introduced more to fairy con through hip hop through 0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:50.759 Public Enemy, and people would bring up fairy con and rap. 0:55:51.280 --> 0:55:54.319 So then you know, some of the cats I worked with, 0:55:54.920 --> 0:55:58.840 like No Idea eventually with being the Nation at one point, 0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:01.799 but read yeah, this is around the time they were 0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:04.640 Derek my manager. They all had been through the Nation 0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:08.799 of Islam and were fruits of Islam. But so by 0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:11.799 the time Farah Khan was squashing the beef, it was 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:14.920 right after Biggie's death, which you know, what preceded Biggie's 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:16.120 death was Tupac's death. 0:56:16.400 --> 0:56:21.000 So it was like, you know, it's weird I'm around 0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:23.560 at this point. You didn't even know that he squashed 0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:26.640 the beef. I never add to I think maybe the 0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:31.080 third time we met, you played me uh verse one 0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:36.000 of the bitching you your response to ice Cube. 0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:36.759 And they had beef, y'all. 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:39.920 If you didn't know, well you already skipped to the making. 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:43.120 Up part, right, But I loved. 0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:53.080 You like anyway. But no, they won't get it anyway. 0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:57.719 So I didn't. I didn't know that it got that 0:56:57.920 --> 0:57:01.440 bad that he had to come and intervene. 0:57:01.760 --> 0:57:05.359 Yeah, well it definitely. I mean, like I said, Mike 0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:07.319 ten and all those guys are real guys on the 0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:10.560 West Coast, and I gotta respect that, and I know 0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:14.520 that they will take it there. And like I said, 0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:17.760 it was people on my side that also would defend 0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:22.160 me and defend I would defend myself. So it was 0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:26.000 the tension. We weren't mature enough to be like, yo, man, 0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:28.640 let's squash this ourselves. It was like that you know 0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:31.800 that young ego, like, man, you said this and that, 0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:37.000 and so it was Yo, fay Con had to squash it. 0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:41.120 People people were dying, and that's the point. We were like, man, 0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:43.680 we got into hip hop to live, like this is 0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:46.160 something we love to do and I'm not out here 0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:48.040 trying to destroy another human being. 0:57:48.160 --> 0:57:50.440 So it was like, man, we got to squash this. 0:57:50.520 --> 0:57:51.120 He had a meeting. 0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:54.960 It was us, Fat Joe, I think some of the 0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:58.720 Goodie Mob. It was a lot of just just people 0:57:58.760 --> 0:58:01.880 from hip hop. And he was like, man, do y'all 0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:05.040 know this is like this is like that Willie Lynch 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:08.560 letter where where you know, you pit the pit people 0:58:08.560 --> 0:58:11.000 against each other East coast and West coast. 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:13.360 Do y'all own the land? He started breaking it down. 0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:14.360 Do you own the land? 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:17.880 Like you know that whole theory of like man, light 0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:21.160 skin versus dark skin. He started breaking it down. Or 0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:23.880 you on this side and this side. It's just like, man, 0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:24.800 don't let the master. 0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:25.560 Don't let it. 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:27.520 Not that they were our masters, but don't let them 0:58:27.520 --> 0:58:30.440 pit us against each other. Is what the gist of it. 0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:32.080 All of us recognized that is. 0:58:32.080 --> 0:58:34.520 Like the money to be made in beef sometimes too, 0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:35.640 So yeah. 0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:38.160 I mean it was like, shoot, think about it, Like 0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:40.080 all the money that was made in. 0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:41.600 They didn't go in your pocket. 0:58:42.000 --> 0:58:46.160 Right, So for first of all, your next album, one 0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:52.160 day it all makes sense. Crazy, For one day it 0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:57.200 all makes sense, which I kind of like now when 0:58:57.240 --> 0:59:01.560 I look at the at your can, I almost see 0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:03.800 one day it all makes sense, sort of as the 0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:08.040 flyer that someone hands out at the nightclub that will 0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:11.240 announce the things to come, like it's its own album, 0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:14.800 But really it was the preview of because I mean 0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:18.080 you're you brought Tarik and Q Tip and Erica and 0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:21.840 me and uh not Dilla yet, but who else was 0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:27.439 on it? Daya Selo too, right, yes, yeah, So it's 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:33.560 like the idea of bringing the community together. And Lauren, 0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:38.840 I have a question about uh retrospectful life. 0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:42.160 Oh god do we have to Well here's the thing. 0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:45.720 I mean, I know, you know, according to Fox News, 0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:48.880 you're super liberal rapper or whatever. So I mean, I 0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:52.520 know I know that your pro choice. I know that 0:59:52.560 --> 0:59:55.200 your your pro choice in your everyday life. But the 0:59:55.320 --> 1:00:01.040 narrative of that song seems very conservative, like it's and 1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:03.400 I know that for you. I mean you're really talking 1:00:03.920 --> 1:00:06.120 to your daughter who's now a full grown woman in 1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:09.800 college and whatnot. But just at the time, what was 1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:13.600 what was your mind state? Because just when I went 1:00:13.640 --> 1:00:16.959 on Genius and just read the lyrics, I was like, wow, 1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:21.880 like this could almost seem like a conservative, pro life rap. 1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:24.440 That's the teenage girl who was making some mistakes. It 1:00:24.520 --> 1:00:26.320 was like, I can't get through this song right now. 1:00:26.920 --> 1:00:30.440 Yeah, but it was it was it was sort of 1:00:30.480 --> 1:00:35.160 a heartstring your first a comment like sort of a 1:00:35.280 --> 1:00:35.840 hearing but. 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:38.120 I am about to be in somebody in mamadel comment, 1:00:38.160 --> 1:00:38.800 so you can just. 1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:41.000 I'm just mad. I'm just mad that you made the 1:00:41.040 --> 1:00:44.040 second song. That's the first thing, Like what do you 1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:45.280 think of my record? I'm like, why did you make 1:00:45.320 --> 1:00:48.160 that the second song? Like I was mad at your 1:00:48.160 --> 1:00:51.080 sequences and work on my next record. I was like, okay, 1:00:51.120 --> 1:00:55.680 bet I will you need some help? But yeah, I'm 1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:58.720 just talking about like did you and Lauren go through that? Uh? 1:00:59.080 --> 1:01:02.120 Talk about that together there? Like how did that collaboration come? 1:01:02.320 --> 1:01:05.120 Well, first of all, like it was a I am 1:01:05.440 --> 1:01:09.160 pro choice. I believe every woman human woman should have 1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:11.600 that choice to be able to do what they want 1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:14.800 with their body and their bodies and. 1:01:16.840 --> 1:01:19.400 So so I. 1:01:19.360 --> 1:01:22.040 Really when I wrote Retrospect for Life, which is about abortion, 1:01:22.200 --> 1:01:25.080 I just really was writing it from a perspective of 1:01:25.120 --> 1:01:28.360 what I felt like as a human being, like some 1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:32.320 of the the fact of just being more responsible for 1:01:32.440 --> 1:01:36.000 me and not just you know, being out here raw, 1:01:36.480 --> 1:01:39.160 you know, you know not. So it was more like, 1:01:40.240 --> 1:01:42.680 I'm I'm playing a part in this and let me. 1:01:43.880 --> 1:01:46.600 I shouldn't have to put people that I care about, 1:01:46.640 --> 1:01:49.520 meaning a woman through this, and at the end of 1:01:49.600 --> 1:01:52.600 the day, I shouldn't put an unborn child through this. 1:01:53.160 --> 1:01:55.840 So I kind of was just not wanting to be 1:01:55.880 --> 1:01:58.120 a deadbeat dad and that cliche. 1:01:58.280 --> 1:02:00.920 Yeah, And I just was, you know, it was talking 1:02:00.920 --> 1:02:03.440 about all the emotions. I remember writing it because I 1:02:03.520 --> 1:02:04.920 used to go see a lot of poets and this 1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:08.280 is writer named Gwendolen Brooks and I and I went 1:02:08.320 --> 1:02:10.600 to an event that she had and I kind of. 1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:12.960 All that sparked me to just write it. 1:02:13.000 --> 1:02:15.040 I wrote that more as a poetry, so you know, 1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:17.040 as you know, I mean, you always be like you 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:21.160 need to rhyme more on beat, you can't count, yeah, 1:02:20.920 --> 1:02:23.840 so so so uh, you know, I kind of took 1:02:23.880 --> 1:02:25.680 that poem and made it into a song. And what 1:02:26.280 --> 1:02:29.200 I had been talking about talking to Lauren while you 1:02:29.280 --> 1:02:31.000 all were on tour with her, wasn't you all? It 1:02:31.040 --> 1:02:33.800 was you all, the goodie mom and the foods. Yeah, yeah, 1:02:33.920 --> 1:02:36.240 I was talking to Lauren about doing the song, and 1:02:36.240 --> 1:02:37.840 it's you know, she was on the move a lot. 1:02:38.200 --> 1:02:41.000 And then I finally came across that song and she 1:02:41.160 --> 1:02:43.520 with her about to have a child and I was 1:02:43.520 --> 1:02:46.320 about to have a child. It was like our babies 1:02:46.320 --> 1:02:48.080 were doing the same day. It was kind of like 1:02:48.120 --> 1:02:51.400 this this thing that was going on. And we went 1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:55.200 through the song because you had introduced us to James Poison, 1:02:56.280 --> 1:03:00.360 I had James come through and and we just. 1:03:00.280 --> 1:03:01.120 Started messing with it. 1:03:01.240 --> 1:03:03.240 No id did the drums we had because we were 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:06.400 going through the process of the song evolving, and Lauren 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:09.200 just started trying different ideas and she I think she 1:03:09.320 --> 1:03:12.280 wanted to do it because you know, she was just supporting. 1:03:12.400 --> 1:03:14.240 But at the same token, I think she felt that 1:03:14.280 --> 1:03:17.680 the story was important, and I was super grateful that 1:03:17.720 --> 1:03:20.560 she wanted to direct the video, and I do agree 1:03:20.600 --> 1:03:23.160 that one day it all makes sense. Was also a 1:03:23.240 --> 1:03:27.160 foreshadowing of what the evolution would be at that time, 1:03:27.200 --> 1:03:29.560 because that was the first time I really started like 1:03:29.880 --> 1:03:33.760 just using some live instrumentation and trying out different things. 1:03:33.800 --> 1:03:36.600 And it's fun when you start exploring and learning about 1:03:36.640 --> 1:03:41.240 new music, like you've been a great musician from a baby. 1:03:41.600 --> 1:03:44.040 But I was like learning new music like that. I 1:03:44.080 --> 1:03:47.640 didn't know. So that's when the album came out. 1:03:47.440 --> 1:03:50.480 Like that, Why did it take three years? Though? Man? 1:03:50.520 --> 1:03:53.320 I was stressing out, like over I was going. I 1:03:53.360 --> 1:03:56.920 was going out touring to get to just support myself. 1:03:58.280 --> 1:04:01.920 I wasn't happy with the lab, like trying to figure 1:04:01.960 --> 1:04:04.240 out and they were trying to talk me into They 1:04:04.360 --> 1:04:07.720 was using peers like Naves or different people to be 1:04:07.840 --> 1:04:10.920 like yo, you see they making hit records, And I 1:04:11.040 --> 1:04:14.880 was like, man, it just wasn't I didn't. I didn't 1:04:14.880 --> 1:04:18.240 have it in me to try to just cook up 1:04:18.280 --> 1:04:19.960 a hit like like yo, I'm about to make a 1:04:20.040 --> 1:04:22.440 hit record. I just didn't know how to do that, 1:04:22.760 --> 1:04:27.680 to be honest, and that just wasn't my everything I did. 1:04:27.840 --> 1:04:31.040 I had to feel it like for me to create it. 1:04:31.320 --> 1:04:34.919 So anyway, I was going through that process with the label, 1:04:35.120 --> 1:04:38.120 and I also was like, man, just trying to grow. 1:04:38.160 --> 1:04:39.960 I was trying to think you ever been through that 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:42.520 point where you figured out like what am I going 1:04:42.600 --> 1:04:46.960 to create next, like I got to be inspired to create. 1:04:47.240 --> 1:04:50.120 And from a writer's level too, it's like where do 1:04:50.240 --> 1:04:52.959 I want to write about? What am I experiencing in life? 1:04:53.000 --> 1:04:54.880 So I think that's what took some time. 1:04:55.880 --> 1:04:58.800 Well that that would also be your last record with 1:04:59.200 --> 1:05:02.720 New Idea, who at that point YouTube were closely associated 1:05:02.760 --> 1:05:06.000 with each other for your first three records. How did 1:05:06.040 --> 1:05:09.920 you was the partying amicable or how did you two 1:05:10.800 --> 1:05:12.000 stop working? Yeah? 1:05:12.040 --> 1:05:14.720 No, I think it was more it wasn't like, man, 1:05:14.880 --> 1:05:18.000 we got beef. It was more like, man, I gotta 1:05:18.080 --> 1:05:21.480 go grow, and this growth is going to be I 1:05:21.480 --> 1:05:25.040 don't know. I got to move from Chicago because at 1:05:25.040 --> 1:05:27.360 the end of the day, it wasn't just like me 1:05:27.760 --> 1:05:29.280 musically just needing to. 1:05:29.280 --> 1:05:31.360 Grow, but I just needed to grow as a human being. 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:35.760 And it was like being in Chicago, even around some 1:05:35.840 --> 1:05:39.240 of my friends I grew up with, their mentality was 1:05:39.280 --> 1:05:43.480 still boxed, and I was like, man, I can't I'm 1:05:43.480 --> 1:05:46.000 out of this box. I was going up to which 1:05:46.280 --> 1:05:48.680 seemed like nothing to y'all now because everybody experienced it. 1:05:48.720 --> 1:05:50.680 But I was going to eat at tay Foo restaurants. 1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:54.440 I was watching like like I was watching movies like 1:05:54.520 --> 1:05:58.080 four rooms, you know, you know. 1:05:58.080 --> 1:06:00.440 What I'm saying exactly. 1:06:00.520 --> 1:06:02.360 So I was I would be like, hey, y'all watch 1:06:02.400 --> 1:06:05.120 the four rooms, and they'd be looking like, man. 1:06:04.960 --> 1:06:06.640 What is this superset? 1:06:06.760 --> 1:06:10.680 Like so and and and me not being like at 1:06:10.680 --> 1:06:13.400 that point strong enough to be like, look, this is it, 1:06:13.640 --> 1:06:16.440 and I just like, I'm going to I'm going to 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:17.480 book exactly. 1:06:17.880 --> 1:06:18.720 And I came out to. 1:06:19.400 --> 1:06:22.240 I came out to New York, were like two weeks 1:06:22.240 --> 1:06:24.760 worth of clothing maybe less than that, thinking I was 1:06:24.800 --> 1:06:26.040 just gonna stay for two weeks. 1:06:27.480 --> 1:06:28.320 I never went back. 1:06:28.360 --> 1:06:30.160 I mean, you know, I went back for home to go, 1:06:30.480 --> 1:06:33.160 but I moved here to New York and it was 1:06:33.240 --> 1:06:35.000 just it was one of the best things that happened 1:06:35.000 --> 1:06:38.000 in my life because I got to you know, I 1:06:38.000 --> 1:06:40.360 would get to go to the studio with y'all bumping 1:06:40.360 --> 1:06:43.240 the I would bump in the Primo. I was introduced 1:06:43.280 --> 1:06:45.840 to a shack of givings. Who was you know, did 1:06:45.840 --> 1:06:49.120 the crochet said it like? It just was like I 1:06:49.160 --> 1:06:53.640 would go see a Gordon Parks display and at at 1:06:53.640 --> 1:06:56.280 a museum in New York. I could go me and belive. 1:06:56.280 --> 1:06:59.520 I would go to jazz clubs and just listen. So 1:06:59.560 --> 1:07:01.760 it was like, you know what, you know where New 1:07:01.840 --> 1:07:04.440 York is, it's just a culmination of so many artists. 1:07:04.480 --> 1:07:10.960 So I got to spread my wings. 1:07:11.960 --> 1:07:15.240 Well I'll say that, you know, of course i'd be 1:07:15.320 --> 1:07:19.840 supervised to say that. Well, yeah, your Chocolate Electric phase 1:07:19.960 --> 1:07:23.520 is my favorite period, not because I was involved with it, 1:07:23.760 --> 1:07:30.360 But no, it wasn't. I mean what you sure, No, 1:07:30.560 --> 1:07:35.520 But what you did was you provided me with the 1:07:35.560 --> 1:07:42.560 greatest front seat ever, which is getting to watch Dila 1:07:43.360 --> 1:07:48.480 work in real time. And I mean that was my excitement. 1:07:48.760 --> 1:07:51.560 That's the thing, like all the dial of fan worship 1:07:51.640 --> 1:07:58.040 we do now that he's gone, I mean it took everything. 1:07:58.680 --> 1:08:03.240 He's one of those people that he's really uncomfortable and 1:08:03.280 --> 1:08:05.320 he would always say like yo, geek down, geek down, 1:08:05.400 --> 1:08:08.320 like you weren't allowed to praise him. You weren't allowed to, 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:11.120 you know, call him up for five and be like, okay, 1:08:11.240 --> 1:08:13.240 is this snare drum from Uh? He would have never 1:08:13.240 --> 1:08:16.200 done the show, right, Yeah, he would have done it. 1:08:16.280 --> 1:08:17.760 He would have done it because he's my boy. 1:08:17.920 --> 1:08:19.840 But but talk about that though, because how did he 1:08:19.920 --> 1:08:21.720 come into the picture then, because we don't know. 1:08:23.000 --> 1:08:31.040 Yeah, I'm gonna get to that. So so in in 1:08:31.160 --> 1:08:35.799 making like Water for Chocolate, I mean was your because 1:08:36.000 --> 1:08:39.759 with that album you also went platinum, which is weird 1:08:39.800 --> 1:08:42.200 because you wanted to make such a radical left turn 1:08:42.320 --> 1:08:47.040 with your career. I know that you wanted to make 1:08:47.080 --> 1:08:50.760 an artistic statement and then you just messed around and 1:08:50.800 --> 1:08:53.519 also went platinum at the same time, which you know, 1:08:53.640 --> 1:08:56.400 none of us even at the time when well maybe 1:08:56.479 --> 1:09:00.360 Voodoo because DeAngelo was a singer and all it's stuff, 1:09:00.800 --> 1:09:03.720 but during the time of things fall apart and all 1:09:03.720 --> 1:09:05.679 these records that get made at the same time, none 1:09:05.720 --> 1:09:09.840 of us ever thought that we were all getting one 1:09:09.920 --> 1:09:13.920 million people to shell out this money to buy the music. 1:09:14.040 --> 1:09:15.720 So we were just like, let's just make the best 1:09:15.800 --> 1:09:20.720 music possible. But for you, like what described First of all, 1:09:20.760 --> 1:09:24.559 just describe working with Dila because of all of us, 1:09:24.720 --> 1:09:26.960 I mean, you sleep on his couch more than anything. 1:09:27.040 --> 1:09:28.679 You got to watch him real time. 1:09:29.320 --> 1:09:34.559 Yeah, okay, So first I met Dyla when I was 1:09:34.600 --> 1:09:36.759 out with day La Soul and they had some beats 1:09:36.840 --> 1:09:38.760 and maces like you gotta check out Deyla. 1:09:39.000 --> 1:09:40.599 No, actually I met him with Q Tip. 1:09:41.439 --> 1:09:45.080 We had went and did this Vibe conference that Quincy 1:09:45.160 --> 1:09:48.840 Jones had and and we left the conference and went 1:09:48.880 --> 1:09:51.840 to Q Tip's house. And at his house, Dyla was 1:09:51.880 --> 1:09:56.240 down like fingering through these records and he was sitting 1:09:56.240 --> 1:09:59.800 there and I didn't He was real quiet, So I 1:09:59.800 --> 1:10:03.280 did I know Dealer's like Detroit Hood's side to a 1:10:03.280 --> 1:10:05.680 certain degree because he was just a quiet, good, you 1:10:05.720 --> 1:10:08.880 know dude. And then Q Tip started playing me all 1:10:08.920 --> 1:10:11.000 these these beasts that Dila did and I was like, 1:10:11.040 --> 1:10:14.120 this dude is incredible. So then I got a beat 1:10:14.120 --> 1:10:16.439 tape from him, and that's when I. 1:10:16.400 --> 1:10:16.960 Was thinking about. 1:10:17.080 --> 1:10:19.360 I was on the road with Daylight and I said, 1:10:19.640 --> 1:10:22.880 JD can you come, can we like lay some stuff? 1:10:22.880 --> 1:10:26.000 And he flew himself to Chicago and laid some beats 1:10:26.000 --> 1:10:28.040 for me. I worked on him, and this is in 1:10:28.080 --> 1:10:30.760 the process of me being I think it was right 1:10:30.800 --> 1:10:33.800 after that was before one day. It all makes sense. 1:10:34.080 --> 1:10:38.880 So I never used the beats, but I think it 1:10:38.920 --> 1:10:41.479 was ninety eight. I went to Deler's house with you 1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:44.000 all with the roots while you always going to do 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:46.720 ill a fifth Dynamite. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. You 1:10:46.760 --> 1:10:49.000 were with us in Detroit. Yeah, we went to Detroit. 1:10:49.880 --> 1:10:52.000 I just got you know, we were all on the 1:10:52.040 --> 1:10:54.599 same label. So when I hooked up with Dila at 1:10:54.600 --> 1:10:57.679 that point with y'all, it was like, yeah, we got 1:10:57.680 --> 1:10:59.880 to do some music. So I would just make those 1:11:00.040 --> 1:11:02.920 trips to to Detroit, and it was it was a 1:11:02.920 --> 1:11:07.839 combination of just me watching the greatest in his his spirit, 1:11:08.479 --> 1:11:12.080 to him going to the strip club and then coming 1:11:12.120 --> 1:11:16.760 back making beats, to him us going to Korean barbecue, 1:11:17.120 --> 1:11:19.920 you know, and just chilling us going to play video 1:11:20.040 --> 1:11:22.519 games or I'm not video you know, go to the 1:11:22.560 --> 1:11:24.840 game place where you shoot basket. I remember Delly used 1:11:24.840 --> 1:11:28.040 to love shooting those you know, you know the basketball 1:11:29.800 --> 1:11:32.400 We go to those joints, or go watch the matrix. 1:11:32.439 --> 1:11:35.519 All this was part of our bonding in relationship. It 1:11:35.560 --> 1:11:38.439 wasn't nothing like playing. It's just what we did. But 1:11:38.479 --> 1:11:40.400 they would definitely go to strip club. And I'm not 1:11:40.439 --> 1:11:44.000 a strip club dude, so not that I'm like judging. 1:11:44.040 --> 1:11:45.960 It just wasn't my thing. But that's part of the 1:11:46.000 --> 1:11:51.880 culture of Detroit. Yeah so so they yeah, exactly so. 1:11:52.520 --> 1:11:55.400 But just to watch him pull out records and just 1:11:55.479 --> 1:12:00.360 work and just something changed my life man Like it was. 1:12:00.439 --> 1:12:03.519 It was incredible and I would always if I wasn't there, 1:12:03.560 --> 1:12:05.679 he even you know, when he was just making beats 1:12:05.720 --> 1:12:07.280 he would send me a batch. He'd like, I got 1:12:07.280 --> 1:12:10.040 a batch coming, and I would call his mother, you 1:12:10.080 --> 1:12:12.920 know my dukes would be like, okay, I'm sending it 1:12:12.680 --> 1:12:15.320 to your place, and I would get a CD of 1:12:15.520 --> 1:12:16.200 she would mel it. 1:12:16.439 --> 1:12:18.920 Yeah, so so. 1:12:19.560 --> 1:12:23.280 You know, and then to watch him like start making 1:12:23.320 --> 1:12:25.519 songs with me. Jad would do what he wanted because 1:12:25.560 --> 1:12:28.040 I wanted him to rhyme on the song Funky for You. 1:12:28.120 --> 1:12:31.080 I wanted all the slum village to rhyme on that 1:12:31.200 --> 1:12:34.080 song on like Water for Chocolate, Funky for You. And 1:12:34.120 --> 1:12:36.600 he sat in the studio in and he was he 1:12:36.760 --> 1:12:39.120 was like trying to come up with something. I guess, 1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:41.280 but I don't think he really His heart was in 1:12:41.320 --> 1:12:44.360 the rhyming on that one. But so that night he 1:12:44.439 --> 1:12:47.360 went home and I thought he was done. He came 1:12:47.400 --> 1:12:49.240 back the next morning pick me up and had to 1:12:49.320 --> 1:12:51.800 be for Thelonius and had the hook Yeah yeah, play 1:12:51.840 --> 1:12:54.280 at your own wrist like like you know, bitch, I'm 1:12:54.280 --> 1:12:57.800 on some grown ship. I was like, he's I said 1:12:57.920 --> 1:13:00.280 what yo? He said, Yo, this this, I think we 1:13:00.320 --> 1:13:02.000 should do this one. I was like, man, if you 1:13:02.080 --> 1:13:05.080 give us this, this is incredible. So my point is 1:13:05.600 --> 1:13:08.600 he would do what he wanted to do somebody operated 1:13:08.640 --> 1:13:11.200 strictly from a passion level. That was one of the 1:13:11.280 --> 1:13:13.920 dudes that I really felt like if he ain't feeling 1:13:13.960 --> 1:13:17.000 you or feeling it, he ain't rocking with it, but 1:13:17.520 --> 1:13:20.160 he would put his heart and soul into that music. 1:13:20.160 --> 1:13:22.439 And you know, I mean it's just man. I mean, 1:13:22.479 --> 1:13:27.040 I got to before delap passed. We were roommates, so 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:30.479 it was like in my front room, I just got 1:13:30.479 --> 1:13:34.080 to see him sitting there just making beats like and 1:13:34.160 --> 1:13:38.640 at the Saint token physically like in a way deteriorating, 1:13:38.760 --> 1:13:42.519 but just still just making. 1:13:41.400 --> 1:13:44.720 To me because even the last time I visited him, 1:13:44.840 --> 1:13:48.840 I didn't know that he could barely communicate or talk 1:13:48.960 --> 1:13:52.160 or hold his hands up. And I'm trying to figure out, like, 1:13:53.800 --> 1:13:56.200 especially the last period of his life, that the whole 1:13:56.240 --> 1:13:59.519 deal with his phase where he was, I mean, the 1:13:59.560 --> 1:14:03.040 deal with his face is close to the Donuts album, 1:14:03.200 --> 1:14:08.799 where it's just the beats were so advanced that MCS 1:14:08.800 --> 1:14:12.320 didn't even belong on those beats, Like he was basically communicating. 1:14:13.439 --> 1:14:15.599 If you listen to Donuts and you listen to all 1:14:15.640 --> 1:14:17.719 the samples that he used and the words that he uses, 1:14:17.760 --> 1:14:21.280 that's him sort of communicating his last will and testament, 1:14:21.320 --> 1:14:24.479 his goodbye. You know, him breaking down. I don't want 1:14:24.479 --> 1:14:26.880 to see you cry, like to his mother and even 1:14:27.280 --> 1:14:31.439 the TENCC Johnny, don't do it to his little brother John, 1:14:31.600 --> 1:14:34.400 like just the way that he weaves samples in. I 1:14:34.439 --> 1:14:38.840 didn't realize that it was that bad. But his mind 1:14:39.000 --> 1:14:43.840 was still sharp. Physically, it took. He was slower at 1:14:43.880 --> 1:14:46.720 making the stuff, but the ideas in his mind were 1:14:46.760 --> 1:14:47.559 sharper than ever. 1:14:47.640 --> 1:14:51.160 Which man his mind was that, But it was really 1:14:52.240 --> 1:14:56.240 it was difficult for I mean, obviously it was difficult 1:14:57.160 --> 1:15:01.320 to see somebody you know, like is one of the 1:15:01.400 --> 1:15:05.160 greatest and then just one of your friends, like not 1:15:05.240 --> 1:15:07.000 be able to do the things that they were just 1:15:07.160 --> 1:15:09.800 like two years ago he was coming to pick me 1:15:09.880 --> 1:15:12.120 up in the range, Robbo. It might be the escalade 1:15:12.120 --> 1:15:15.120 and bumping beats and just having fun. And to see 1:15:15.200 --> 1:15:19.120 him like laying on the couch sick, just not being 1:15:19.160 --> 1:15:21.240 able to move and whenever you could get that energy 1:15:21.360 --> 1:15:23.880 going to make beats was just it. 1:15:24.600 --> 1:15:25.240 Was hard for me. 1:15:25.760 --> 1:15:28.719 I actually like wouldn't stay at the house as much 1:15:29.000 --> 1:15:31.200 because it just was like, man, this is tough. But 1:15:31.240 --> 1:15:33.200 then I was like, I gotta be there at a 1:15:33.200 --> 1:15:38.400 certain point. But it brought you know, my own humanity 1:15:38.479 --> 1:15:41.360 or what's the word, you know, like when you what's 1:15:41.360 --> 1:15:44.559 the word on trying to search for totality my own 1:15:44.600 --> 1:15:49.080 mortality in the play. But more than anything, I just 1:15:49.280 --> 1:15:52.519 felt for my brother like that, and I remember him 1:15:52.560 --> 1:15:56.080 being like telling his mother he one of the main 1:15:56.120 --> 1:15:57.519 things he didn't want to do was be in the 1:15:57.560 --> 1:16:02.000 hospital on his birthday, and he died three days later 1:16:02.320 --> 1:16:07.559 after his birthday, February seventh. He died on February tenth 1:16:08.320 --> 1:16:11.200 in the physical form, and it was like he was like, man, 1:16:11.200 --> 1:16:12.720 I just don't want to be in the hospital on 1:16:12.720 --> 1:16:16.000 my birthday. But it was deep, man, it was you know, 1:16:16.200 --> 1:16:21.160 that's one of the greatest bonds I've ever had as 1:16:21.200 --> 1:16:25.200 a person, as a creator, and like we all been 1:16:25.240 --> 1:16:27.679 in all of him. When you when you talk about 1:16:27.680 --> 1:16:30.320 people like you said, you ain't want to just jump 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:32.599 out and be like, yo, you're great. I can remember 1:16:32.680 --> 1:16:36.519 instant like specific instances like me and me and JD 1:16:36.640 --> 1:16:39.120 walked into a for ral session for real, got down 1:16:39.160 --> 1:16:42.360 on his knees and started just bound down. So Kanye 1:16:42.560 --> 1:16:45.200 came to our house. JD gave him a record of 1:16:45.280 --> 1:16:48.320 forty five with some drums. It was Kanye used to 1:16:48.360 --> 1:16:51.200 sample JD's drums off his beat tapes and he was like, 1:16:51.240 --> 1:16:54.920 come on, man, right, just take my tru off my 1:16:55.000 --> 1:17:00.600 feet tape. But you know, so JD gave him this 1:17:00.600 --> 1:17:02.240 this record. I mean, we went to me and Ye 1:17:02.360 --> 1:17:05.760 went to the studio. YA was like telling everybody, Yo, Jay, 1:17:05.920 --> 1:17:08.600 Dila gave me these Dila gave me these Jonks. It 1:17:08.760 --> 1:17:11.680 just was to see people's reaction when they saw Dyla. 1:17:11.760 --> 1:17:14.519 It made me be like, oh man, this dude is 1:17:14.320 --> 1:17:16.760 the god. We knew he was the god, but he 1:17:16.960 --> 1:17:17.400 was god. 1:17:17.760 --> 1:17:21.559 You know. He and I, He and I had one. 1:17:23.560 --> 1:17:26.880 It was weird because my the fan worship was so 1:17:27.680 --> 1:17:32.400 was so big on my level that as executive producer 1:17:32.400 --> 1:17:35.040 of that record, I also did want to make a 1:17:35.080 --> 1:17:41.479 misstep and I was wrestling with in my mind on 1:17:41.600 --> 1:17:45.519 how to tell him I didn't like a particular beat. 1:17:46.400 --> 1:17:59.679 Which one was it? The light man, that's why you record. Listen, listen. 1:18:00.040 --> 1:18:02.600 I listened to a mirror a lot to it. Yeah, 1:18:02.640 --> 1:18:05.240 you know what, you know what it was though. There 1:18:05.280 --> 1:18:07.120 was a week. I don't know what I had to do. 1:18:07.200 --> 1:18:09.479 I think it was touring. There was a week I 1:18:09.520 --> 1:18:13.479 took off and I came back and you already rhyme 1:18:13.560 --> 1:18:16.880 to it, and I was like, okay, But it was 1:18:16.960 --> 1:18:19.760 just that it was just at that point because it 1:18:19.840 --> 1:18:22.559 was so because the amount of work that we were 1:18:22.600 --> 1:18:27.680 doing was so radical and again it was voodoo like 1:18:27.720 --> 1:18:30.360 water for chocolate, even the other stuff we were working on. 1:18:30.800 --> 1:18:33.880 It was just like, to me, the light was so 1:18:34.280 --> 1:18:35.920 I mean, in my mind, I felt like we had 1:18:35.960 --> 1:18:39.840 to push everything to the left and so hardcore, and 1:18:40.080 --> 1:18:45.280 it sounded so normal to me that I was just like, oh, okay, 1:18:45.320 --> 1:18:48.600 that's that's it, that's normal. I was like, well, no, 1:18:48.760 --> 1:18:50.360 I mean just at the time, I was just like 1:18:51.640 --> 1:18:54.000 I wasn't thinking like you got to make something palatable 1:18:54.320 --> 1:18:57.800 for you know, people to grasp. Yeah. I didn't know 1:18:57.840 --> 1:19:01.400 about that back in two thousand, keeping a simple and 1:19:02.080 --> 1:19:04.960 I never liked it. And it kept on winding up 1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:07.880 on the you know, like the monthly. All right, let's 1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:09.439 get all the beat together and figure out and that 1:19:09.560 --> 1:19:12.000 was always on my like my probe, my con I 1:19:12.040 --> 1:19:14.120 was like, I don't like that. Lights on whatever, It's 1:19:14.160 --> 1:19:17.679 all right, but it's nothing exciting, you know, And because 1:19:17.680 --> 1:19:21.240 I always thought like doing it was that was going 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:23.719 to be the single, like you know, it's hardcore hip. 1:19:23.640 --> 1:19:28.120 Hop, and but also at the time you don't want it, 1:19:28.160 --> 1:19:28.760 but this was you. 1:19:28.920 --> 1:19:32.320 You also have to understand that the rules the rules 1:19:32.360 --> 1:19:35.680 of of like the hip hop elite. I mean, we 1:19:35.680 --> 1:19:38.040 were knee deep still in that hole. Like we had 1:19:38.080 --> 1:19:39.880 yet to work with jay Z. So back then jay 1:19:39.960 --> 1:19:41.040 Z was still the devil. 1:19:40.840 --> 1:19:42.800 But you still had your you Got Me formula by 1:19:42.800 --> 1:19:43.080 the end. 1:19:43.560 --> 1:19:45.599 Yeah, but we were the roots. We were never accepted 1:19:45.680 --> 1:19:48.160 as quote real hip hop. We were always alternative hip hop. 1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:49.360 So we get away with murder. 1:19:49.439 --> 1:19:50.760 But the light was like that you Got Me. I 1:19:50.800 --> 1:19:51.880 always thought it looked at it. 1:19:51.920 --> 1:19:54.400 But the thing is is that even common moving to 1:19:54.479 --> 1:19:58.920 Brooklyn was seeing as a radical how could you move? 1:19:59.600 --> 1:20:04.559 You know? And I was more afraid of the perception 1:20:04.680 --> 1:20:06.840 that I brought him down or that sort of thing. 1:20:07.680 --> 1:20:11.200 So I just didn't like it, you know what I mean. 1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:15.479 I mean that's you know, I'd like it now, but 1:20:15.560 --> 1:20:19.160 I love it now. Man. Look, I honestly that I 1:20:19.160 --> 1:20:23.720 don't help people for my Mama house, I'm fine for it. 1:20:24.360 --> 1:20:26.439 I mean I have to say, like I never looked 1:20:26.439 --> 1:20:29.200 at that song like it was commercial. I know, I 1:20:29.280 --> 1:20:32.120 just went on when I heard that beat, and he 1:20:32.160 --> 1:20:36.479 honestly had that beat on a beat CD, right, yeah, 1:20:36.560 --> 1:20:40.439 and it was it was for fife or something, God 1:20:40.479 --> 1:20:42.439 bless his soul something. It was just on a beat 1:20:42.439 --> 1:20:44.920 CD that I think ffe it either got to and 1:20:45.000 --> 1:20:45.919 it wasn't complete. 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:46.840 He had just made it. 1:20:46.840 --> 1:20:50.720 It was drums, right, So when I heard it, I 1:20:50.800 --> 1:20:52.840 was like, yo, Dad, what's up with this? 1:20:52.960 --> 1:20:53.160 You know? 1:20:53.240 --> 1:20:55.000 And then he was like, man, I'm about to I'll 1:20:55.080 --> 1:20:58.840 redo it for you, and he put those drums and 1:20:58.920 --> 1:21:00.680 he started scratching the hook a little bit and I 1:21:00.720 --> 1:21:02.920 was like, man, it was that song just hit my soul. 1:21:02.960 --> 1:21:05.320 And at the time, you know, as you know, I 1:21:05.360 --> 1:21:08.559 was like in love with earthy girls and all that, 1:21:08.680 --> 1:21:10.120 so I could just write, that's. 1:21:09.880 --> 1:21:13.160 What were you feeling like that first? 1:21:11.800 --> 1:21:17.360 Lie your mind? Your mind. Erica wasn't the first choice 1:21:17.400 --> 1:21:20.280 for the video. Who was Who was it? We had 1:21:20.280 --> 1:21:26.600 Lisa Bone for like a week. We had Lisa you 1:21:26.600 --> 1:21:29.559 don't remember, I forgot man. We had Lisa for a 1:21:29.600 --> 1:21:31.680 week and then she couldn't do it. 1:21:31.840 --> 1:21:33.120 She's never been in a video. 1:21:34.240 --> 1:21:37.360 She's been in liney stuff. Oh yeah, I mean, don't 1:21:37.479 --> 1:21:37.920 count man. 1:21:38.120 --> 1:21:41.000 That's what his wife or whatever. 1:21:42.000 --> 1:21:46.240 Yeah, but yeah, we we had. We had and I 1:21:46.280 --> 1:21:49.400 wanted and the thing was, I'm not that dude. That 1:21:49.560 --> 1:21:52.040 was like, yo, we can exploit the relationship because again 1:21:53.040 --> 1:21:55.400 I felt that there was danger in the Erica thing 1:21:55.560 --> 1:22:00.000 because I didn't want the friction of Dungeon family versus 1:22:00.120 --> 1:22:03.000 so queery things going on, because back then y'all were 1:22:03.000 --> 1:22:05.479 still friends. It was friends at the end of the day, 1:22:05.560 --> 1:22:09.679 they were absolutely friends, and so I just felt that 1:22:09.840 --> 1:22:13.000 was more danger making abundantly clear. No we were I 1:22:13.000 --> 1:22:15.360 ain't even front we were friends. I mean obviously, I 1:22:15.400 --> 1:22:17.599 mean no, but it was there was I mean, there 1:22:17.680 --> 1:22:21.559 was potential. Could feel a certain way about a certain situation, 1:22:22.400 --> 1:22:24.160 and I was just like, yo, man, just go with 1:22:24.520 --> 1:22:26.880 just go with Lisabo name man, it's safer route and that. 1:22:27.080 --> 1:22:29.360 And when she dropped out and Eric's like I'm doing it, 1:22:29.840 --> 1:22:31.160 I was like, oh, man, this is just going to 1:22:31.240 --> 1:22:32.800 add fuel to the fire. 1:22:32.840 --> 1:22:35.479 And then came to essence covering, it was like, well. 1:22:35.800 --> 1:22:36.920 That was like two years later. 1:22:37.280 --> 1:22:39.280 They were felt like so lightish. 1:22:39.439 --> 1:22:41.400 The light that was that was a little later. 1:22:41.439 --> 1:22:44.519 That's when that was obviously together were that's when he's 1:22:44.520 --> 1:22:45.640 wearing footies. 1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:47.400 In the light. 1:22:47.960 --> 1:22:50.640 We weren't dating, and they weren't lay stop trying to 1:22:50.680 --> 1:22:50.960 got you. 1:22:51.400 --> 1:22:53.000 I'm not I'm trying to get today. 1:22:53.720 --> 1:22:55.960 We were not dating like then we say that Bill and. 1:22:56.080 --> 1:22:57.479 I just dating. 1:22:58.600 --> 1:23:00.880 So it was more more like one of those things 1:23:00.880 --> 1:23:03.360 that like I really liked her and we had a 1:23:03.360 --> 1:23:06.080 real connection, but it wasn't we hadn't crossed the line. 1:23:06.120 --> 1:23:09.640 And maybe maybe it was like it wasn't because of 1:23:09.680 --> 1:23:12.360 the Dungeon family, but maybe you know, I don't know 1:23:12.400 --> 1:23:14.720 why we hadn't crossed the line, but it was just like, man, 1:23:15.040 --> 1:23:17.280 I definitely looked at her. It was like this woman 1:23:17.320 --> 1:23:20.120 is incredible and I was digging her, but there wasn't 1:23:20.120 --> 1:23:21.000 that time yet. 1:23:20.960 --> 1:23:23.439 He looked her in the eye. To this day, I 1:23:23.439 --> 1:23:26.280 don't look Erica in the six seconds because. 1:23:26.040 --> 1:23:28.439 By the time Come Close came around, it was like, oh. 1:23:28.400 --> 1:23:30.960 Yeah, no, that was then. It was we were together 1:23:30.960 --> 1:23:34.720 at that point. So but but the light was the 1:23:34.840 --> 1:23:37.400 light was the first time that uh and by the way, 1:23:37.479 --> 1:23:40.719 Come Close, Amya came with the idea for that video, 1:23:40.840 --> 1:23:44.880 but I guess I forgot that. Yeah, it was he 1:23:45.000 --> 1:23:46.880 was like we need to do something like say anything. 1:23:47.000 --> 1:23:51.120 Wasn't that the movie with John? Yeah? Yeah, sometimes people 1:23:51.200 --> 1:23:54.080 love the idea of somebody holding up something to a building, 1:23:54.120 --> 1:23:56.840 and I was like, we need to black say anything. Yeah, 1:23:57.200 --> 1:23:59.320 and then and then we and then somewhere down the 1:23:59.360 --> 1:24:02.439 line was centered me or somebody's idea was like, man, 1:24:02.520 --> 1:24:03.920 let's just make the woman death. 1:24:04.600 --> 1:24:06.679 You know that way makes sense that you're holding the scientist. 1:24:06.920 --> 1:24:10.240 Yeah, they just gave it another dementia. But I wanted 1:24:10.240 --> 1:24:11.800 to tell you something about the light. It was like 1:24:12.080 --> 1:24:13.120 the first time. 1:24:15.200 --> 1:24:15.439 First. 1:24:15.600 --> 1:24:17.400 First of all, I laid the rap down and didn't 1:24:17.840 --> 1:24:19.560 I didn't even finish it. That's why I was like, 1:24:19.600 --> 1:24:21.920 took a time, I'll tell you the rest of it. 1:24:21.960 --> 1:24:25.000 I see peace, you know that. And I kept trying 1:24:25.040 --> 1:24:27.000 to go back in the studio and relay it, and 1:24:27.040 --> 1:24:29.360 it never felt the same. So I knew that record 1:24:29.400 --> 1:24:32.120 was just about a feeling. But it was the first 1:24:32.120 --> 1:24:37.839 time that I ever saw little black girls like singing 1:24:37.880 --> 1:24:39.960 my song. They didn't know who common was, they didn't 1:24:40.000 --> 1:24:43.120 know common sense, none of that. So it was like incredible. 1:24:42.560 --> 1:24:45.679 Because you were living when they came home maybe nine. 1:24:45.960 --> 1:24:49.080 Yeah, So it was like I remember being on the radio, 1:24:49.160 --> 1:24:51.600 you know those radio shows that they have. 1:24:51.760 --> 1:24:55.000 I was on One Earth Real radio underground. 1:24:55.120 --> 1:24:57.040 I was on the radio on the show and I 1:24:57.120 --> 1:25:00.160 was like, damn, like girls are singing my songs and 1:25:00.200 --> 1:25:02.280 like it just it was another feeling. 1:25:02.280 --> 1:25:02.639 It felt. 1:25:02.640 --> 1:25:05.719 It felt like rewarding that little black girls was singing 1:25:05.760 --> 1:25:08.760 my song like they didn't because they not singing I 1:25:08.840 --> 1:25:11.840 used to love her. They not singing retrospect for life. 1:25:11.840 --> 1:25:13.920 They probably didn't know who I was. So it just 1:25:14.000 --> 1:25:16.879 moved me to see that, and yeah, I was grateful. 1:25:16.920 --> 1:25:21.599 Man the Light To this day, DJ Dummy said to me, Man, 1:25:21.600 --> 1:25:24.599 do you know the Light is like eighteen years old? Now, 1:25:25.640 --> 1:25:27.960 I said, eighteen years. 1:25:27.880 --> 1:25:29.840 And what a full circle moment about that. I used 1:25:29.880 --> 1:25:31.759 to love a moment too because now you are rhyming 1:25:31.760 --> 1:25:34.719 about love exactly and now it's cool. 1:25:34.760 --> 1:25:37.840 And to this day, I think, you know, probably the 1:25:37.920 --> 1:25:40.280 Light is the biggest song that I've had. 1:25:40.960 --> 1:25:43.320 I mean I might have, I think, I don't know, 1:25:43.439 --> 1:25:44.759 but more than Glory. 1:25:45.120 --> 1:25:49.360 Well no, you have got my radio play, yeah yeah. 1:25:49.240 --> 1:25:52.840 But but yeah, so I mean it's a love song. 1:25:52.880 --> 1:25:55.920 So it is like full circle to be like yo, 1:25:56.760 --> 1:25:58.559 to me, the whole journey has been like man, you 1:25:58.640 --> 1:26:02.080 gotta like grow grow into who you are and know 1:26:02.120 --> 1:26:04.559 who you are at a certain point and then keep 1:26:04.640 --> 1:26:05.960 learning more and more of what you. 1:26:05.880 --> 1:26:07.840 Said a standard for yourself at that moment too, because 1:26:07.840 --> 1:26:09.680 then it was like, as we started singing light, we 1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:11.639 were like, oh, I want him to do something else for. 1:26:11.600 --> 1:26:12.479 Me, you know what I mean? 1:26:12.520 --> 1:26:14.680 Like so then it would come close, and then with 1:26:14.760 --> 1:26:16.280 the B albums a couple of records, but. 1:26:16.880 --> 1:26:18.920 By the time we got to Electric Circus, it was 1:26:19.000 --> 1:26:22.679 like I was telling Amya, we gotta go out there, 1:26:22.720 --> 1:26:23.679 like let's go. 1:26:24.479 --> 1:26:33.200 Let's go out there, and like we went out there. Well, wait, 1:26:33.240 --> 1:26:38.240 I gotta ask questions. Uh wait, one question I have. 1:26:38.400 --> 1:26:44.040 Do you regret giving D'Angelo Chicken Grease? No? No, you're 1:26:44.040 --> 1:26:47.760 fine with Ghetto Heaven, Ghetto Heaven. I love for those 1:26:47.800 --> 1:26:50.120 about that trade for those that don't know, I mean 1:26:50.960 --> 1:26:53.519 not the competition, but just the amount of work that 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:56.800 was put on all those records. It wasn't even like, Okay, 1:26:56.840 --> 1:26:58.600 we're working on this record, work on this record. It 1:26:58.640 --> 1:27:01.200 was just like we make a jam and then sell 1:27:01.280 --> 1:27:02.760 to the highest bidder, like who wants you? Who wants 1:27:02.760 --> 1:27:05.960 he wants it? And we were making Chicken well, we 1:27:05.960 --> 1:27:09.240 were making the song that was Chicken Grease for D'Angelo, 1:27:09.400 --> 1:27:13.200 for Commons record and Colin is ready. He just started 1:27:13.200 --> 1:27:16.080 writing whatever. And then DiAngelo kind of snuck in and 1:27:16.160 --> 1:27:19.280 had the scowl on his face and like called me, 1:27:19.479 --> 1:27:26.000 called me like out in the hallway, and he's like, yo, man, yo, 1:27:27.160 --> 1:27:30.320 as I live. He was like, as I live and breathe, man, 1:27:30.439 --> 1:27:35.519 y'o for real on yall wy man, Yo, you can't 1:27:35.520 --> 1:27:41.519 give you can't give that nigga that funk man, Yo, 1:27:41.640 --> 1:27:48.000 bruh yo bro you know, and I know that funk 1:27:48.120 --> 1:27:51.600 belonged to me, And I was like, yo, man, you 1:27:51.680 --> 1:27:54.840 can't just jack his song, man, Yo, man, he don't 1:27:54.840 --> 1:27:58.240 know what to do with that funk. That's my funk. 1:27:58.880 --> 1:28:01.439 And so then I see, I went, I went to you. 1:28:01.680 --> 1:28:03.760 And then I was like, wait a minute, because that 1:28:03.880 --> 1:28:09.040 morning D'Angelo was we were still waiting for Lauren Hill 1:28:10.160 --> 1:28:12.760 like to come and do her verse on whatever song 1:28:12.800 --> 1:28:14.479 they were going to do, Like they had a trade off. 1:28:14.800 --> 1:28:17.439 He did nothing, nothing even matters well her record, and 1:28:17.479 --> 1:28:19.400 she was supposed to do something for his. So we 1:28:19.479 --> 1:28:24.200 had made Ghetto Heaven that morning, uh for his record. 1:28:24.800 --> 1:28:26.559 And so then I was like, yo, the trade off, 1:28:26.600 --> 1:28:27.519 like y'all trade songs. 1:28:27.560 --> 1:28:30.479 And then it worked. I remember you you called me. 1:28:30.520 --> 1:28:32.439 I was the first time I was in Brazil. He 1:28:32.560 --> 1:28:35.439 was like, man, man, come on, man, get this beat 1:28:35.479 --> 1:28:36.640 to D'Angelo. 1:28:36.600 --> 1:28:38.439 And I was like yes. 1:28:39.600 --> 1:28:42.960 I was like yes because it was a funky joint 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:45.400 that I didn't think I'd already had a funk like 1:28:45.479 --> 1:28:48.760 cold Blood. It was already and I'm not like the 1:28:48.880 --> 1:28:51.760 funk master, to be honest, So. 1:28:51.160 --> 1:28:54.920 So it was like, it's like I got Heaven was 1:28:54.960 --> 1:28:56.479 more emotion. You know. 1:28:56.680 --> 1:29:00.960 I liked the soul, jazzy blah blah blah. So it 1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:03.000 was like it was the perfect trade off for me. 1:29:03.120 --> 1:29:06.040 I was just I was excited and and it had d' 1:29:06.080 --> 1:29:07.840 angelo already singing on it, because you know, it was 1:29:07.840 --> 1:29:09.919 gonna be tough for me to try to get D'Angelo 1:29:10.080 --> 1:29:13.439 right right, So I was like, we're good. 1:29:15.800 --> 1:29:19.799 Wait on. It just hit me that even during that period, 1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:23.880 you were going to Cuba regularly, even before you were 1:29:23.880 --> 1:29:26.760 doing shows in there, you were you technically or you 1:29:26.800 --> 1:29:30.000 were the second hip hop act to performing Cuba or y. 1:29:30.160 --> 1:29:31.840 I know, I don't know what, you know, where I 1:29:31.920 --> 1:29:34.240 fall in as far as acts to perform out there, 1:29:34.240 --> 1:29:35.720 but we you know, we would go out there with 1:29:35.800 --> 1:29:39.760 Black August, which was an organization that you know, was 1:29:39.840 --> 1:29:43.559 raising money for political prisoners, and I went out there 1:29:43.600 --> 1:29:44.559 a couple of times with them. 1:29:44.600 --> 1:29:45.880 Most and I went out there and. 1:29:46.680 --> 1:29:50.519 To lib and you know, it wasn't probably legal to 1:29:50.520 --> 1:29:52.880 go out there at that time or whatever, but we 1:29:52.960 --> 1:29:56.280 fly through whatever country we had to go to and 1:29:56.320 --> 1:29:59.160 get to Cuba. Cuba was one of the best places 1:29:59.200 --> 1:30:02.240 I ever went to. And along with that, you know, 1:30:02.280 --> 1:30:04.439 I just met I just felt like, I was like, man, 1:30:04.479 --> 1:30:08.640 this is a country where the people are poor economically, 1:30:08.680 --> 1:30:11.880 but some of the richest spirits I ever you know, 1:30:11.960 --> 1:30:16.919 come across music, everything, the joy, the you know, the architecture, everything, 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:20.920 and it became a real important part of my life. 1:30:20.960 --> 1:30:23.160 And you know, one of the reasons I even wanted 1:30:23.160 --> 1:30:26.000 to go more was because of Asida Shakur, who I 1:30:26.040 --> 1:30:29.280 read her book, and her books helped, you know. I 1:30:29.360 --> 1:30:32.479 named my daughter. My daughter's middle name is Asada because 1:30:32.560 --> 1:30:36.320 ASADA's book just changed me. And when I would go 1:30:36.400 --> 1:30:40.200 to Cuba, I got to connect with Asada and you 1:30:40.240 --> 1:30:44.599 know what was she like. She was like really up 1:30:44.640 --> 1:30:46.559 on a lot of things that you wouldn't think she 1:30:46.720 --> 1:30:49.720 was up on. That was the stage for me where 1:30:49.760 --> 1:30:53.479 I really understood you could be revolutionary and conscious and 1:30:53.560 --> 1:30:55.840 still be fun because you know, when you first started 1:30:55.840 --> 1:30:58.040 getting into consciousness, you think like you got. 1:30:57.840 --> 1:31:04.439 To stay super serious like brother exactly. So, but she was, 1:31:05.560 --> 1:31:07.920 you know, we would have drinks, have fun. 1:31:08.000 --> 1:31:10.800 She started freestyling with me one time, and she was like, yeah, 1:31:10.800 --> 1:31:12.280 I first got up on you since I used to 1:31:12.320 --> 1:31:13.559 love Ah, I love the roots. 1:31:13.600 --> 1:31:15.280 I loved it. I was like, yo, you up on 1:31:15.360 --> 1:31:15.640 all this? 1:31:16.040 --> 1:31:19.120 Just the woman that's like it was in a shootout 1:31:19.120 --> 1:31:22.559 with the state troopers and got shot and fought foot 1:31:22.760 --> 1:31:24.840 and you've been fighting and you were in exile in 1:31:24.920 --> 1:31:29.120 Cuba and they after you, and you still like enjoying life, 1:31:29.160 --> 1:31:32.000 having fun up on what it was. It was life 1:31:32.640 --> 1:31:35.280 enhancing for me to get to experience that with her. 1:31:35.280 --> 1:31:39.439 And it was crazy, man, Because fast forward. I'm just 1:31:39.439 --> 1:31:42.080 getting off the subject a little bit. But I just 1:31:42.120 --> 1:31:45.719 recently was doing a film where I was these FBI 1:31:45.800 --> 1:31:50.800 agents were I played the detective and FBI agents was 1:31:50.840 --> 1:31:54.679 involved in it. It's not out here, it's called three seconds, 1:31:54.680 --> 1:31:56.960 it'll be coming out. But I was sitting with this 1:31:57.040 --> 1:31:59.120 lady that was the FBI, like one of the top 1:31:59.240 --> 1:32:02.320 FBI people. I was just like so, man, who was 1:32:02.320 --> 1:32:04.920 on your most wanted list? And then she was like, 1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:12.280 maybe you never heard this woman, joe Ane Chesamart. I said, still, still, 1:32:12.720 --> 1:32:15.960 I said, what, that's where y'all going. That's one of 1:32:16.000 --> 1:32:19.120 the top people that you gonna name me that America 1:32:19.200 --> 1:32:22.080 is after to me. But I mean, even not even 1:32:22.120 --> 1:32:25.439 knowing my history, but the fact that that she is 1:32:25.600 --> 1:32:27.640 at one of the people that they put on the 1:32:27.640 --> 1:32:30.280 top of the list of most wanted with all this 1:32:30.439 --> 1:32:32.320 going on in the world, like she's a threat to 1:32:32.400 --> 1:32:36.519 American freedom. How old is She's got to be in 1:32:36.520 --> 1:32:41.559 a sixties, like sixty something. Anyway, Man, it was Cuba. 1:32:41.840 --> 1:32:43.760 All that experience was incredible. It was the first time 1:32:43.760 --> 1:32:45.880 I ever had to write. I had to write down 1:32:45.920 --> 1:32:48.840 my lyrics because they was like they wanted to make 1:32:48.880 --> 1:32:51.120 sure I wasn't saying no anti common and stuff like 1:32:51.160 --> 1:32:53.840 they was like, and I had to like straight write 1:32:53.840 --> 1:32:54.559 down the songs. 1:32:54.680 --> 1:32:57.519 You still love her, write it down and be like really, yeah, 1:32:58.080 --> 1:33:01.160 oh before you performed there, before you performed damn, damn, 1:33:01.160 --> 1:33:08.400 I didn't even know that. So electric circus. Now he's 1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:11.799 sixteen years down the line, we can celebrate and say, 1:33:11.960 --> 1:33:14.280 you know, man, it was so ahead of his time. 1:33:14.400 --> 1:33:19.000 But that was such a dangerous record and I felt, 1:33:20.840 --> 1:33:23.000 I mean, I stand by it even when we turned 1:33:23.000 --> 1:33:24.479 it in and you know, we got to work with 1:33:24.560 --> 1:33:28.040 prints on that record and stuff. First of all, just 1:33:28.040 --> 1:33:30.479 talk about Prince, like you hung out with him a lot. 1:33:30.760 --> 1:33:37.000 You got him to play on your record, which yeah, 1:33:37.040 --> 1:33:40.160 so it's what was it like like just hanging with him? 1:33:40.160 --> 1:33:43.960 And how'd you avoid all those religious talks? And wait 1:33:44.000 --> 1:33:46.320 a minute, I forgot you didn't. 1:33:46.560 --> 1:33:51.400 I didn't avoid Like okay, the first my first encounter 1:33:51.439 --> 1:33:56.560 with Prince was like when the light was out and 1:33:57.520 --> 1:34:01.520 he was We were at the Riviera in in Chicago 1:34:02.040 --> 1:34:04.240 and he came up to me like it was like, man, 1:34:04.280 --> 1:34:06.800 I love the light and it's He was like, it's 1:34:06.800 --> 1:34:09.040 crazy that you know that song still sounds so for 1:34:09.200 --> 1:34:16.960 and it's in D major and I was like, oh, yeah, 1:34:11.800 --> 1:34:23.080 I know, you know, don't please don't test so so 1:34:23.800 --> 1:34:25.920 we we you know. He saw me kind of just 1:34:26.120 --> 1:34:28.920 brush over that and was like this, thanks anyway. 1:34:28.760 --> 1:34:32.880 Damn he is right analy head. 1:34:32.960 --> 1:34:38.160 Yeah yeah yeah, so and every time I play with musicians, 1:34:38.240 --> 1:34:40.360 if I'd be like, yo, it's in D major, you know, 1:34:46.640 --> 1:34:50.840 but anyway, Yeah, so he was like we you know, 1:34:51.320 --> 1:34:54.600 we actually got to do a show for his birthday 1:34:54.880 --> 1:34:57.519 at at Paisley Park, and of course we got to 1:34:58.040 --> 1:34:59.880 we were sitting down talking they had to curse. But 1:35:00.320 --> 1:35:02.840 in the in the in the room, he was talking 1:35:02.840 --> 1:35:07.840 about spirituality. The doves were in. The doves were right 1:35:07.840 --> 1:35:09.880 in one of the rooms. As you know, when we 1:35:09.920 --> 1:35:12.479 eventually went to Paisley Park as a basketball court, everything 1:35:12.600 --> 1:35:16.040 Dave Chappelle described as Charlie, Charlie Murphy, God bless her 1:35:16.080 --> 1:35:18.320 soul was in that house, in that place. 1:35:18.880 --> 1:35:20.479 So we did the show. 1:35:20.720 --> 1:35:24.599 We opened it was me Erica and the time during 1:35:24.600 --> 1:35:27.000 his birthday party, and from that point we kind of 1:35:27.040 --> 1:35:31.320 built a good rapport and you know, we was, like 1:35:32.120 --> 1:35:33.439 I said, he said that you can come back and 1:35:33.479 --> 1:35:37.960 record at Paisley Park, So we took everybody, Steve, Steve 1:35:38.120 --> 1:35:40.719 came out there. We all we went to Paisley Park 1:35:40.960 --> 1:35:43.479 and worked on some of electric circuits, which was for 1:35:43.520 --> 1:35:46.040 all of us. Just like I don't know if y'all remember, 1:35:46.080 --> 1:35:47.439 but his father was playing piano. 1:35:47.520 --> 1:35:52.400 So his father, princess father, John Nelson, he came to 1:35:52.520 --> 1:35:56.400 visit and it's just playing piano. I just remember that. 1:35:57.520 --> 1:36:03.519 Even I had shrimp and I was told Prince wouldn't 1:36:03.520 --> 1:36:09.559 allow any meat or animal products inside the the you 1:36:09.600 --> 1:36:11.720 know the building, and I was like, you know, it's 1:36:11.760 --> 1:36:14.800 like tim below zero outside, like I'm supposed to go 1:36:14.800 --> 1:36:18.439 outside neath this, And I remember them saying that he 1:36:18.479 --> 1:36:22.439 made Magic Johnson outside need a filet of fish and 1:36:22.520 --> 1:36:27.800 it was like twenty below So I defiantly snuck those 1:36:27.800 --> 1:36:31.280 shrimps under my tom time. And I remember, like all 1:36:31.320 --> 1:36:34.000 my demos were named after meat, like that's where I 1:36:34.160 --> 1:36:39.680 ate shrimp and studio behind like all my titles for 1:36:39.760 --> 1:36:44.680 your demos were like hcakes, Yeah, named after foods that 1:36:44.760 --> 1:36:47.360 I snuck in the Paisley Park because he didn't improve it. 1:36:47.920 --> 1:36:50.680 But I want the Jimmy rock star question. I know 1:36:50.680 --> 1:36:53.640 about the session. Okay, I'm sorry, I'm really excited as 1:36:53.640 --> 1:36:54.760 you were talking about Paisley Park. 1:36:56.479 --> 1:36:59.800 I'm not going to use my own platform to disassociate 1:37:00.120 --> 1:37:05.120 the perception that I was behind the wheel of this 1:37:05.400 --> 1:37:10.200 entire album, least for the the radical movement of it. Okay, No, 1:37:10.240 --> 1:37:14.760 I think we definitely got some phone calls from some 1:37:14.800 --> 1:37:17.760 of your friends. Well I know that I know that 1:37:17.880 --> 1:37:19.320 No Idea was concerned. 1:37:19.400 --> 1:37:22.320 Oh, they must have been flipping out the Chicago homies. 1:37:24.040 --> 1:37:29.160 Like what doing. But it was just like, what's weird 1:37:29.240 --> 1:37:34.240 is that Jimmy was a rock star? Dyla was. Dyla 1:37:34.280 --> 1:37:37.240 brought all these silver Apple records, all of these like 1:37:37.479 --> 1:37:42.240 these prog these crazy prog rock albums, gentle giant silver 1:37:42.400 --> 1:37:46.479 apples like giant. Yeah, like just stuff that we never 1:37:46.520 --> 1:37:50.120 heard before, and like we would just sit and listen 1:37:50.160 --> 1:37:52.120 to them. It was like a seance almost. He just sit, 1:37:52.760 --> 1:37:56.240 We sit in the room, look at the turntable and 1:37:56.280 --> 1:38:00.400 then whatever. We just listened to. We let a process 1:38:00.400 --> 1:38:01.840 for ten minutes and then we just run in the 1:38:01.880 --> 1:38:09.240 studio and I remember maybe four minutes into making Jimmy 1:38:09.360 --> 1:38:11.960 was a rock Star and even though I was playing 1:38:12.000 --> 1:38:13.799 it and I don't know if you guys are familiar, 1:38:13.800 --> 1:38:17.400 but it's a very just a radical rock, electric rock 1:38:17.479 --> 1:38:20.519 song about the life of Jimmy Hendrick and said, I 1:38:20.560 --> 1:38:24.000 was like, Yo, man, I'm gonna go down for this record. Man. 1:38:24.120 --> 1:38:27.320 I feel like I enjoyed it, but I was just like, yo, man, 1:38:27.439 --> 1:38:30.400 everybody's gonna blame me for this record. Man, it's gonna 1:38:30.439 --> 1:38:35.439 be my fault. Well, we don't do that. Oh we're yes, 1:38:35.520 --> 1:38:41.559 we're live. But you know, I will say that. I 1:38:41.600 --> 1:38:47.160 will say that in retrospect that album needed a good 1:38:47.240 --> 1:38:51.759 ten to fifteen years to grow on the people, because 1:38:51.760 --> 1:38:54.080 now it feel as though that was definitely the beginning 1:38:54.200 --> 1:39:00.400 of the kind of alternative area. That group's like the 1:39:00.400 --> 1:39:04.720 Internet and and I mean j Davey even like their 1:39:04.800 --> 1:39:07.240 their early stuff and and just a lot of the 1:39:07.280 --> 1:39:13.920 electronica hip hop movement. That's that's Kate Tranona, like that's 1:39:13.960 --> 1:39:14.639 happening now. 1:39:15.160 --> 1:39:18.599 Yeah, well, I think you know I can remember not 1:39:18.640 --> 1:39:21.760 only like, first of all the sessions with Jimmy was 1:39:21.800 --> 1:39:24.720 a rock star. I am music that all those are 1:39:24.720 --> 1:39:28.920 made in one session. I had you Pinot Deyla and 1:39:28.920 --> 1:39:30.000 and James Poys are. 1:39:29.960 --> 1:39:32.840 All stereo lab. I forgot we had stereo. 1:39:32.600 --> 1:39:35.639 Lab on that like two so we were I mean, 1:39:36.080 --> 1:39:40.120 Electric Circus was a result of me being like, man, 1:39:41.000 --> 1:39:44.200 I gotta keep growing, I gotta keep it. I felt 1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:46.880 like I hit a ceiling of and I wanted to 1:39:46.880 --> 1:39:49.000 go high it, like I wanted to knock off the 1:39:49.040 --> 1:39:52.000 ceiling and be like, man, hip hop has no ceiling. 1:39:52.120 --> 1:39:56.360 And because I was listening to Jimmy Hendricks and listening 1:39:56.400 --> 1:39:57.360 to stereo. 1:39:57.080 --> 1:39:59.360 Labs, don't listen to a lot of Pink Floyd. Pink Floyd. 1:39:59.560 --> 1:40:01.439 What was up that, like you and Erica just went 1:40:01.439 --> 1:40:02.639 through this pink Floyd face. 1:40:03.760 --> 1:40:06.240 I just loved Pink Floyd. I wasn't like. I can 1:40:06.320 --> 1:40:09.200 remember being young and my and my cousin wanted up. 1:40:09.280 --> 1:40:12.240 He would play me Jimmy Hendricks and the Pink Floyd's stuff, 1:40:12.280 --> 1:40:14.240 and I wasn't really into it. I was like, man, 1:40:14.360 --> 1:40:16.479 this is cool, and it didn't hit me. But for 1:40:16.520 --> 1:40:19.200 some reason at that point I got to appreciate it. 1:40:19.200 --> 1:40:21.880 It's funny how things. And I was listening to you know, 1:40:22.240 --> 1:40:25.960 obviously The Wall, but I was listening to Dark Side 1:40:25.960 --> 1:40:28.200 of the Moon. That's what I was really and and 1:40:28.240 --> 1:40:30.880 then you know, also listening to Radiohead. Not just only 1:40:31.040 --> 1:40:34.880 older rock, but just for me, Like I said, discovering 1:40:34.920 --> 1:40:38.280 new music was always opening me up as a as 1:40:38.280 --> 1:40:41.000 a hip hop artist. So when Jimmy was a rock 1:40:41.040 --> 1:40:44.040 star was made, I couldn't really wrap on that beat 1:40:44.320 --> 1:40:46.720 and I'm not a singer, but I just went and 1:40:46.760 --> 1:40:49.160 approached it. I remember not I say, I don't smoke weed, 1:40:49.240 --> 1:40:52.640 but I remember going smoking with smoking you admit it, 1:40:53.280 --> 1:40:55.559 going in there and just being like because I had 1:40:55.560 --> 1:40:59.080 to be courageous enough to just just be out there 1:40:59.200 --> 1:41:02.000 and be singing with Erica, and Erico would be like, 1:41:03.080 --> 1:41:05.839 you know, she would be like she was be supportive, 1:41:05.840 --> 1:41:06.960 like you could do it, you could do it, and 1:41:07.040 --> 1:41:09.120 then just yeah, that's it right there, and it was 1:41:09.160 --> 1:41:11.639 just it was it was like a stress, but then 1:41:11.680 --> 1:41:14.800 it became like fun in a way, just to even 1:41:14.880 --> 1:41:18.599 explore that. And it's funny you talk about Electric Circus 1:41:18.640 --> 1:41:20.240 because when I first played it for one of my 1:41:20.320 --> 1:41:23.080 good friends, it was two thousand and two when we 1:41:23.120 --> 1:41:24.960 released it, he was like, man, this album need to 1:41:25.000 --> 1:41:27.320 come out in twenty twelve. Man, what are you doing? 1:41:27.360 --> 1:41:30.120 It's too I was like, He's like, this is too 1:41:30.360 --> 1:41:33.840 ahead of his time. You're doing too much. And you know, 1:41:34.040 --> 1:41:36.320 some people felt that way. But now, like as you said, 1:41:36.600 --> 1:41:38.479 even with the re release of it, I felt like 1:41:39.200 --> 1:41:42.240 I felt proud. Even then I didn't feel like because 1:41:42.240 --> 1:41:44.160 somebody was just talking to me like, man, they had 1:41:44.200 --> 1:41:45.280 wrote you off at that time. 1:41:45.360 --> 1:41:48.720 They was like we divided the common fans. That's what 1:41:48.760 --> 1:41:51.679 it did. Yeah, yeah, because Niggas was like we lost 1:41:51.680 --> 1:41:52.719 them Earth. 1:41:53.479 --> 1:41:57.439 It was like we got killed. Yeah. 1:41:57.479 --> 1:42:01.240 But I mean, but how you feel it? Did you 1:42:01.280 --> 1:42:02.679 feel at the time, dude. 1:42:02.680 --> 1:42:05.920 It's still The thing is just in general, if I 1:42:06.000 --> 1:42:09.920 love something a lot that I know that not saying 1:42:09.960 --> 1:42:12.599 it's not good, but it probably won't hit with the 1:42:12.600 --> 1:42:15.519 rest of Like my personal tastes are the opposite of 1:42:15.560 --> 1:42:20.679 what I feel regular mainstream society is into or not into. 1:42:21.760 --> 1:42:23.920 I want to ask Steve, because Steve, you was there 1:42:23.960 --> 1:42:26.000 for what did you what did you think when we 1:42:26.000 --> 1:42:26.439 was doing it? 1:42:26.520 --> 1:42:31.360 Was you like, this ship is too crazy? 1:42:32.960 --> 1:42:35.920 You need this well for the for the technical side 1:42:35.960 --> 1:42:38.639 of things, It's it's funny how it went down actually, 1:42:38.640 --> 1:42:41.680 because we were in the middle of converting, like we 1:42:41.680 --> 1:42:45.200 were turning over from from reels from from tape to 1:42:45.280 --> 1:42:49.120 start to use pro tools more and so on electric 1:42:49.160 --> 1:42:52.000 circus that that's literally when the turnover was so we 1:42:52.000 --> 1:42:54.080 were using tapes and pro tools and we were sending 1:42:54.120 --> 1:42:57.000 out tapes to people, and then other people wanted files 1:42:57.040 --> 1:42:59.720 and they were sending back files and sending back so 1:42:59.760 --> 1:43:03.720 we're using both formats at the time, and so we 1:43:03.720 --> 1:43:05.719 were sort of busy with that and we were high, 1:43:06.040 --> 1:43:07.920 so we're. 1:43:07.800 --> 1:43:11.400 Not really paying attention to the creative side, right, But 1:43:11.840 --> 1:43:17.120 Steve like, wait, y'all did we did Wait, here's the thing. 1:43:17.520 --> 1:43:20.519 This show format was supposed to be ninety minutes and 1:43:20.560 --> 1:43:24.760 we went to two hours. It would I would get 1:43:24.840 --> 1:43:27.320 murdered if I don't mention working with Kanye West on 1:43:27.360 --> 1:43:29.960 the B record, So I'm sorry we didn't get to 1:43:30.040 --> 1:43:36.479 his acting career and in part two, but Obama, at 1:43:36.560 --> 1:43:44.280 least with at least with B. How did you feel 1:43:44.360 --> 1:43:45.840 having a new lease on life? 1:43:47.040 --> 1:43:50.639 It felt, It felt invigorating. I felt like I really 1:43:50.720 --> 1:43:56.360 loved and this sounds crazy, I love the the challenges 1:43:56.439 --> 1:43:58.599 I was getting from Electric Circus. 1:43:58.800 --> 1:44:04.040 Really yeah, meaning like oh man, you done and being underestimated. 1:44:04.800 --> 1:44:07.280 I loved. That's a good feeling because that motivated you. Yeah, 1:44:07.280 --> 1:44:08.479 it motivated me for real. 1:44:08.600 --> 1:44:11.080 And and at the same choke, and I'd been like 1:44:11.200 --> 1:44:14.200 opening myself up to acting, which was like studying it, 1:44:14.320 --> 1:44:17.400 and that was opening me up to a certain degree 1:44:17.560 --> 1:44:21.200 just as far as creativity. And then it was like 1:44:21.720 --> 1:44:25.120 almost was starting. I look at it career and think 1:44:25.200 --> 1:44:27.160 of it like a cycle, and I kind of was 1:44:27.200 --> 1:44:29.599 starting at it on a new cycle at that point, 1:44:29.720 --> 1:44:32.120 and like a new cipher was starting even and not 1:44:32.240 --> 1:44:34.040 that I was going down and like it it's not 1:44:34.640 --> 1:44:37.559 like just on one level, it's actually vertical like the cycles. 1:44:37.640 --> 1:44:39.519 So it was like, Okay, this is a new cycle 1:44:39.600 --> 1:44:42.680 that's starting, and I just felt the hunger of a 1:44:42.760 --> 1:44:46.960 new MC, like like man, I remember Kanye gave me 1:44:47.040 --> 1:44:48.920 get Him High because he had been telling me I 1:44:49.000 --> 1:44:50.720 want you on this song or maybe this song. I 1:44:50.800 --> 1:44:52.639 was like, all right, just let me know, and then 1:44:53.200 --> 1:44:54.920 he gave me get Him High, and I was like, man, 1:44:54.920 --> 1:44:58.000 I'm about to tear this ship up, like I'm about 1:44:58.040 --> 1:45:01.160 to let them know what it is. This this is 1:45:01.680 --> 1:45:06.680 one of them opportunities. And from that point, Yay Yay 1:45:06.880 --> 1:45:09.400 was making a beat. He was in the studio session 1:45:09.880 --> 1:45:12.640 for Eve and we both were in LA and he 1:45:12.680 --> 1:45:14.880 said come by the studio and I came by and 1:45:14.960 --> 1:45:19.559 he was playing to beat the food and it was like, man, 1:45:19.560 --> 1:45:21.280 I'm just making beats and he was like, yo, you 1:45:21.400 --> 1:45:23.400 want this and he just gave me that beat and 1:45:23.439 --> 1:45:25.000 I went and rolled in my car and wrote that 1:45:25.120 --> 1:45:27.080 and that was the start of us being like, man, 1:45:27.120 --> 1:45:29.479 we about to just start working on this album project. 1:45:29.520 --> 1:45:30.000 I told him. 1:45:30.280 --> 1:45:33.720 I remember calling him saying, man, I'll be on your 1:45:33.800 --> 1:45:36.400 label and then he was like man, you sure that. 1:45:36.680 --> 1:45:39.800 He's like that's incredible. So I was just on his label, 1:45:39.840 --> 1:45:43.479 and what that process started was us going. I would 1:45:43.479 --> 1:45:48.519 go buy records, CDs and I would listen to as 1:45:48.600 --> 1:45:51.439 many CDs, all the stuff like from all I learned 1:45:51.479 --> 1:45:54.240 from Dyla, from no I d from the beat Nuts, 1:45:54.280 --> 1:45:57.679 from you all whatever records, like names, records I knew 1:45:57.720 --> 1:46:00.800 in I would buy blindly, just records. I would listen 1:46:00.880 --> 1:46:03.720 to him, put the best records in front of YA. 1:46:04.240 --> 1:46:07.120 He would listen to him, mark the ones he liked. 1:46:07.400 --> 1:46:09.040 If it's something that sparked, he would put all these 1:46:09.080 --> 1:46:12.040 samples into his simpler and then whatever he got motivated, 1:46:12.040 --> 1:46:15.960 he just started cooking up. And it was like for me, 1:46:16.600 --> 1:46:19.639 the jolt and the renewing was like, Okay, I'm working 1:46:19.680 --> 1:46:23.160 with ya who was around when No Idea and I 1:46:23.320 --> 1:46:25.760 was doing one day, that makes all makes sense. And 1:46:25.800 --> 1:46:29.160 he comes from you know, is from Chicago, and we 1:46:29.280 --> 1:46:31.960 already knew each other, but now we never worked. 1:46:31.680 --> 1:46:32.360 At this level. 1:46:32.439 --> 1:46:35.800 And he's like even like more like confident and just 1:46:36.640 --> 1:46:39.799 he not even just more confident, he's just more culture 1:46:39.800 --> 1:46:42.600 because he was confident then he was confident beyond his 1:46:44.200 --> 1:46:47.720 level at that point, but that confidence caught up with 1:46:47.800 --> 1:46:50.800 his ability and he was and he just was really 1:46:50.920 --> 1:46:55.280 a producer. He started being like, nah, rash rewrite this verse, 1:46:55.479 --> 1:46:58.000 or man, this is what this hook is gonna go like, 1:46:58.479 --> 1:47:01.320 And so it was really good like combination because we 1:47:01.400 --> 1:47:04.439 both was hungry and we felt He wrote about it 1:47:04.479 --> 1:47:06.360 in one of this this some table book he had. 1:47:06.400 --> 1:47:08.880 It's kind of was the meeting of like what I've 1:47:08.960 --> 1:47:12.120 done and have built, what we've done and built in 1:47:13.000 --> 1:47:15.479 hip hop, combining with where he was in his career. 1:47:15.520 --> 1:47:18.479 It was like the perfect like combination of and we 1:47:18.640 --> 1:47:22.920 both just love like with Yay, I can still reference 1:47:22.960 --> 1:47:25.080 a trial call quest or he would reference a trial 1:47:25.160 --> 1:47:28.360 call quest or or some brand new beings, but he 1:47:28.479 --> 1:47:30.400 still also listened to some of the stuff that I 1:47:30.520 --> 1:47:33.120 didn't listen to, which was, you know, like some of 1:47:33.160 --> 1:47:35.679 the more commercial hip hop. Or he would be like, man, 1:47:36.200 --> 1:47:39.479 Mace is one of my favorite rappers. And I'd be like, really, 1:47:41.840 --> 1:47:44.000 but ill due respect to Mace now because I know him, 1:47:44.040 --> 1:47:46.639 and you know, when I listened back, I'm like, Okay, 1:47:47.000 --> 1:47:50.599 that's what you you know. But ultimately we had different 1:47:50.640 --> 1:47:53.240 tastes in certain areas, but it just was a man, 1:47:53.320 --> 1:47:57.719 it was an incredible energy. Yeah that and just great 1:47:57.960 --> 1:48:02.120 songmaking and vision and like that passion. I remember specifically 1:48:02.240 --> 1:48:05.880 being like, Yay used to do listening sessions. You know 1:48:05.920 --> 1:48:08.160 how we used to do listening sessions for journalists, and 1:48:08.320 --> 1:48:11.000 Yay would like jump up on the table and be 1:48:11.120 --> 1:48:14.320 rapping his songs and fit people. Yeah, you'd be like 1:48:14.560 --> 1:48:16.799 not spitting on purpose, but just you know, just passionately 1:48:16.920 --> 1:48:18.960 doing this thing. And I was like, damn, you know 1:48:19.320 --> 1:48:21.200 that ain't necessarily what I need to do jump up 1:48:21.240 --> 1:48:23.960 on the table, but it kind of made me, I mean, 1:48:24.120 --> 1:48:26.360 I needed to do it my way, like being confident 1:48:26.439 --> 1:48:29.160 in what I was, what I was presenting, if I 1:48:29.240 --> 1:48:31.639 really believed in it that way instead of just being 1:48:31.800 --> 1:48:35.080 like kind of like just check it out, humble you 1:48:35.240 --> 1:48:35.400 like it. 1:48:35.640 --> 1:48:36.479 Yeah, it was. 1:48:36.680 --> 1:48:38.439 So it was a lot of things I learned doing 1:48:38.520 --> 1:48:41.679 that process for him. But creatively, you know, he definitely 1:48:41.800 --> 1:48:43.600 is one of the best man to me, It's like 1:48:44.479 --> 1:48:47.000 he knows how to push the envelope. But and he 1:48:47.160 --> 1:48:51.120 has a knack for making He's rooted in hip hop 1:48:51.240 --> 1:48:54.880 and soul music, but he still has something that he's 1:48:55.040 --> 1:48:58.160 The stuff he chooses ends up being like really catchy 1:48:58.640 --> 1:49:00.880 stuff that can reach new audiences. 1:49:01.000 --> 1:49:06.680 So but it's rooted and soul. So thank you Rob, 1:49:06.720 --> 1:49:09.080 thank you for doing the show. Thank you, thank you' 1:49:09.080 --> 1:49:09.560 all for having me. 1:49:09.680 --> 1:49:14.599 This has been an incredible Thanks Steve Layah Deal, thank 1:49:14.640 --> 1:49:16.080 you comparable a miya. 1:49:17.000 --> 1:49:19.400 All right, well, we'd like to thank our audience for 1:49:19.760 --> 1:49:23.800 for joining us and hopefully we'll do a feature live 1:49:23.880 --> 1:49:29.080 broadcast of course, Love Supreme enjoy it. Thank you very much, 1:49:29.160 --> 1:49:36.200 We appreciate it. See you on the next course. Love 1:49:36.280 --> 1:49:40.120 Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode was 1:49:40.160 --> 1:49:46.120 produced by the team at Pandora. For more podcasts from 1:49:46.160 --> 1:49:50.320 iHeart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 1:49:50.400 --> 1:49:51.679 you listen to your favorite shows.