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Speaker 1: Of Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This

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Speaker 1: classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora This

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Speaker 1: Sugar Steave.

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Speaker 2: On this week's QLs classic hip hop artist, actor and

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Speaker 2: poet Common talks about how being an NBA ball boy

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Speaker 2: brought him court signed for Michael George's rookie season, his

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Speaker 2: musical influences, and personal memories of his time with Jay Dillon.

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Speaker 2: Recorded in front of a live audience, February twenty first,

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Speaker 1: Here we go, su Primo.

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Speaker 3: It's up, Supremo, roll call Suprimo, Sun Supremo, roll.

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Speaker 1: Call SUPREMEA wait, time out of timeout. Let y'all know,

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Speaker 1: we never tell the guests what they're getting into. So

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Speaker 1: those that are familiar that always wonder why the guests

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Speaker 4: His as so big right now, Like what the fuck?

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Speaker 1: We literally don't tell them. We just pointed them and watched.

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Speaker 3: Supremo, Supremo, roll call Suprema s Supremo, roll call Suprema

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Speaker 3: something something Supreme, roll call Subpremo something something Supremo.

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Speaker 1: Roll com reck come from the shot. Yeah, they can

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Speaker 3: Supremo, Suro Supremo something something Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 1: My name ain't Sugar, My name ain't Bill. It's not

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Speaker 1: like yah, my name is young.

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Speaker 5: Sure, roll Suprema something Supremo.

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Speaker 3: Supremo some some Supremo roll call Supremo some some Supremo roll.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, here it testify, Yeah, and all his lies Supremo,

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Speaker 4: Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 6: Some Supremo roll call names common. Yeah, I'm for the people. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: my boys from Philly. Yeah, grow Father Eagles, spre.

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Speaker 5: Supremo, roll Suprema, some Supremo role call Supremo.

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Speaker 3: Some some Supremo role called Supremo something something.

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Speaker 1: Supremo roll call. Thank you, Thank you. Hey, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: boys and girls. Uh, welcome to our very first live

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Speaker 1: recording of Quest Love Supreme. Uh. I am Questlove. To

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Speaker 1: the left of me is show producer. Uh and god

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Speaker 1: boss Bill. That's right. I will try. My goal for

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Speaker 1: this is not to make him angry with my rambling. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And to his right, Uh, it's it's like yah as Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like you're not broadcasting on Instagram.

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Speaker 4: No, child, I would never do that.

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Speaker 1: Uh. To the left of Uh. To the left of

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Speaker 1: Liaiah is uh Sugar Steve, our longtime engineer UH for

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Speaker 1: uh the hardest kind of the connecting force between uh

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Speaker 1: common rash I'm talking about for he was h part

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Speaker 1: of the engineering crew of Like Water for Chocolate and

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Speaker 1: Electric Circus and Voodoo and all the Roots albums. Young Yea,

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Speaker 1: we call him Young Gil. Yeah. And I'll say that

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Speaker 1: we're recording right now in front of the live audience

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Speaker 1: at the Grammacy Theater in Manhattan, kind of a part

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Speaker 1: of a series of events hosted by the legendary Roots.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying the Roots crew, like I don't know those

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Speaker 1: guys crew celebrating the return of the Grammys in New

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Speaker 1: York City. And yes, so I'll say that our guest

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Speaker 1: today can be described I guess he's all things to

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Speaker 1: all people. Uh. As an actor, he's appeared in over

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Speaker 1: account at thirty Man, you've been your residuals must be nice, man,

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Speaker 1: and over thirty TV Film and States productions from TV

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Speaker 1: comedies as Scrubs, The Simpsons, The Mindy Project, UH to

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Speaker 1: the AMC drama hell On Wills uh to acting alongside

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Speaker 1: Not to mention he's been in Selma, Suicide Squad, John

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Speaker 1: Wick two, Let Me Give Yes, even his Oscar winning

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Speaker 1: performance in the BT classic Brooklyn Babbelon. He's also an

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Speaker 1: actorate actress. He's a damn man. He's an activist, community leader,

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Speaker 1: a film and TV producer. But it's probably uh. I

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Speaker 1: guess he's He's best loved as a street poet at MC.

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Speaker 1: He's a two time Grammy winner, a Golden Globe and

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Speaker 1: I should say uh. He has eleven studio albums, all

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Speaker 1: to the Roots, to the Great Jay Dillar to Kanye West,

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Speaker 1: to Stevie Wonder. We don't have that much time. Come on,

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Speaker 1: like he anyways shows over thanks every day.

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Speaker 7: He's really trying to make a big someday.

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Speaker 1: Welcome newcomer, common to quest Love, Superior, Lazy, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thanks y'all, Thank y'all for having me. I'm excited. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna put my headphones on so I can hear you.

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Speaker 1: So you said you're excited.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I mean this feels good like I mean

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Speaker 6: it's for me. It's like we're having a mirror and

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Speaker 6: you is.

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Speaker 7: The exciting thing probably ever feel well.

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Speaker 6: In my top, in my top three hundred and sixty three,

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Speaker 1: It feels great to be coming on here. Thank you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like it's people. I know, it's great to see us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot to warn you that this is going

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Speaker 1: to be live in front of an audience as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he did called him like, hey, you want to

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Speaker 1: be on the show, just stop by.

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Speaker 4: Already already got the warning, Like you don't do no, gotcha,

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Speaker 4: Yeah I do god, he got he do? Gotcha good me?

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Speaker 4: I know I'll get you good. No, I mean we're

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Speaker 1: But actually, you know what, it's as long as I've

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Speaker 1: known you, I mean, I've known you for like twenty years,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know much about uh, your childhood or

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Speaker 1: just your the beginning, your your your pre emc years.

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Speaker 1: I assume that you were born in Chicago, correct, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I was born and raised on the South side of Chicago,

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Speaker 6: the Hospital County Hospital to be specific. And the funny thing,

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Speaker 6: my father always, my father, my father and my mother

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Speaker 6: always argued over if it was raining or snowing when

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Speaker 6: even though when they weren't together. He was like, it

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Speaker 6: was snowing when you was born, and my mother always

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Speaker 1: But who knows? All right, So can you explain to me?

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Speaker 1: I mean, because now, especially in the political climate that

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Speaker 1: it are just like, Okay, well there's good times. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know that they've had the largest amount of housing projects.

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Speaker 1: And then yeah in the United States with Kabete Green

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Speaker 1: and but just I mean explain to you, like do

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Speaker 1: you have fond memories or warm, fuzzy memories. They always

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Speaker 1: make it seem like it's like Beroot Circuit nineteen eighty,

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Speaker 1: like don't you ever go to like that sort of thing?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, well, Chicago is a very segregated city.

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Speaker 6: Let me start there, and it was actually founded by

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Speaker 6: John Baptist Tusavo. Black culture has been there strong, like

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Speaker 6: all the depth of black culture meaning church, liquor stores,

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Speaker 6: gang banging, black excellence music, all that was so for

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Speaker 6: me growing up, it was like I was around affluent

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Speaker 6: but I was around affluent black people and also around

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Speaker 6: you know dudes that was gang banging.

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Speaker 1: That was part of the culture. But it also was

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Speaker 6: Black love movement too, Like we had the Black peat

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Speaker 6: Stones and the Black Panthers also existed, and they worked

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Speaker 6: In fact, at some point, I believe Barack Obama worked

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Speaker 6: who we we knew who we were. And it was

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Speaker 6: not all violence. It definitely was some violence there, and

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Speaker 6: crazy enough, in the mid nineties, the violent the rates

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Speaker 6: are now. But it's just like a big highlight going

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Speaker 6: But no matter what, we don't want any of the

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Speaker 1: You've been there, well, growing up close to a city

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Speaker 1: that was also similarly affected across the river in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: It's Camden, New Jersey. And because they had the Coca

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Speaker 4: What was the moment when they started to change?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think the moment was was Obviously the war

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Speaker 6: And then on another level, even to be honest, like

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Speaker 6: it's just it was part of that. That was part

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Speaker 6: it was the War on drugs and and also drugs

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Speaker 6: just being in our neighborhood. And then like when a

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Speaker 6: lot of opportunities got stripped away, and I don't know

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Speaker 6: what industry it was, but just jobs started getting stripped away,

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Speaker 1: Did you how did you avoid uh? Gang bang and culture?

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Speaker 1: Like how did you avoid or did you or could you?

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Speaker 1: I mean like going walking to school? Is it like well,

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 6: It's it almost is no way to avoid it if

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Speaker 6: you are I don't, din't. It didn't matter what Like

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Speaker 6: I'm my mother's a teacher, my stepfather is a plumber.

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Speaker 6: I grew up like for me, that was I had

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Speaker 6: went on strike, my mother was like, we're getting you

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Speaker 1: She worked hard.

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Speaker 6: I got into private school, so I had opportunities, but

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Speaker 6: I also didn't. I still had to rub up against

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Speaker 6: gang culture because on my.

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Speaker 1: I remember your first your first, Come on, man, I

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00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: remember my first verse. I don't. I was always the

436
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: beat maker. I was. I was the oneach table guy.

437
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 4: He killed the last night you were rock and y'all

438
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 4: know you be boxing?

439
00:24:59,160 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: Was she?

440
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 4: She? She style?

441
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: It was probably the highlight, and I wasn't expecting it

442
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: to be the highlight at all, but it was. We

443
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: did the Death Fresh Crew tonight to get out to.

444
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was dope anyway. Yeah, for those

445
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: that are listening, Uh, the roots have nightly jam sessions

446
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: all throughout Grammy weekend. Last night we had wide Cleft Jean,

447
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: We had Roxane Chante. Uh, we had Tatha g from

448
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: him to me. She came and did juicy fruit. What

449
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: it sounded, Yeah, it was I'm coming tonight. Yeah, rock

450
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: on all right, so we might see some August green

451
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: action happen tonight. So were you I can't hear you anyway,

452
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: So did you? Were you always common sense? No? What

453
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: was your first? Yeah? Give me the evolution of your names,

454
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: because no one that's their names now was ever their names. Like,

455
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: what was your first few names?

456
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 6: One of my first names was the Black Poet Cayden,

457
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know where that came. And

458
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 6: then I was just in a group called c DR,

459
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 6: which was just still for Corey Dion and Rashid Dian

460
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 6: has no idea who we talked about earlier. So yeah,

461
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 6: he actually rhymed, but he was more producing, but he

462
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 6: was kind of doing the producer rhyme thing. Pete Rackish, yeah,

463
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 6: but so them those are the only names. Only Rashied

464
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 6: and then the Black Poet K and then I had

465
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 6: some other name but I can't remember. Man, they were whack.

466
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 6: I came up with common sense. I was going to

467
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 6: school down at Florida and them, and they used to

468
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 6: call weed senci over.

469
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: They may still have it done.

470
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 6: And one boy was sitting there smoking some weed one

471
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 6: time and I was like, my mother used to always say, boy,

472
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 6: you better use common sense, and I for some reason

473
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 6: the two just connected and I was like, man, I'm

474
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 6: gonna use the name common sense, and I just shouted

475
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 6: it out. My friends were like, yeah, that's that's decent.

476
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 6: Always thought it was like a name that was unique

477
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 6: but still kind of every day.

478
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: And when when.

479
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 6: The band actually sued me for my name, that's when

480
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 6: I lost my hand.

481
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: Man, you know I was I was stressed out.

482
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 6: Really yeah, you know I was gonna lose my hand anyway.

483
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 6: But but but the gist of it was, you can't

484
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 6: be your name no more.

485
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't.

486
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 6: You know you think you're like, man, I've built up.

487
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 6: This was after the resurrection. My second I'm like, I'm

488
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 6: just getting to be known as something. Somebody knows who

489
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 6: I am. And now y'all taking away the name common

490
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 6: sense I was, you know, all the.

491
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: Greats go through it, like Biggie Smalls couldn't have been

492
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: Biggie Smalls. We couldn't have been Square Roots. Yeah that's right.

493
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: You couldn't have been Square Roots.

494
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: Because there was a band in Philly.

495
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 6: Uh that threaten Are you glad?

496
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: I know you glad you took off the squad now

497
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: and I'm glad. Are you? Do you still miss Commons?

498
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: Well we still call you common sense? Yeah, but I

499
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: mean I don't miss common sense.

500
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 6: I actually felt like it was all divine order, you

501
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 6: know how you want some bad and then you look

502
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 6: look back and be like, oh, this's worked out right,

503
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 6: because you know, common kind of represents the every day

504
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 6: person that I believe I am, and I think people

505
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 6: just really.

506
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: Really that to day. Come on, just because he has

507
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: this perception that because you have a specific gig that

508
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: you're just disconnected from people like you don't have cousins

509
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: like you don't have the same friends like you don't.

510
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: Just because you have that journey to another level doesn't

511
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: mean that the nine other people in your life are

512
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: in that position.

513
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 4: Both regular people, I got it.

514
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're common folks. Look, I'm learning sneakers by a kid.

515
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 4: I want to say nothing, but I was wondering if

516
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 4: that was a fascist thing.

517
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: Man, I did Pete that. I was like, I have

518
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: you have a deal with that. I'm trolling Kanye So

519
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: we're you know, even though Adidas is our sponsor. You know, suddenly, uh,

520
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: when it's time for okay, I just said I was

521
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: a man of the people, but then I'm about to

522
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: do someone i'm talking about's office to get my new yeezies.

523
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 4: You're right, what common people do?

524
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: Suddenly I feel like I feel like, well, no, it's

525
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: just my way of hustling. Uh. For some reason, there's

526
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: been a shutdown of me getting There's a rumor out

527
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: that I've been disrespecting his brand and by dogging them,

528
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: And my my argument was like, who told you to

529
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: make such a comfortable ass sneaker?

530
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 4: Of course I'm gonna work well because you do wear

531
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 4: them to the Oh you're supposed to rock them fresh.

532
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I've rocked a few pair of Yeezis that

533
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: I've rocked so much that they look like broken down

534
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: convert sneakers, like sneakers be leaning to the side and

535
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: all that stuff and so much. Disagreeted, he was sort

536
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: of like, stop disrespecting my brand, Like, get you some

537
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: new Yeezy's, Like I can now that's a one percent shit,

538
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: spend another three thousand dollars on my sneakers like that

539
00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: sort of thing.

540
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 4: Enough, do you automatically get the new Yeasis when they

541
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: come out or does he let you know what is it?

542
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Well? Sometimes I get them, sometimes I don't. Actually, you

543
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: know crochets are You're right?

544
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 6: Oh man, he does need to make me some special

545
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 6: some like water for chocolate additions.

546
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: So anyway, my electric circus, my my protests my protests

547
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: to UH to his UH blocking me from getting his

548
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: easies was I took all of my white easies and

549
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: had them custom pain Holy Ikia Walmart level comm have

550
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: some money? Yeah she does anyway. So in Florida, A

551
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: and M like, I became aware of you because of

552
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: source onund sign hight Uh Okay for those that were

553
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: born after do we really have to explain that ninety

554
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: Yes we do because it's twenty eighteen and some people

555
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: might not know what the source was, like why he

556
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: was born in nineteen ninety sources? Oh you do, you're

557
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: born in eighty six. Okay, y'all know.

558
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: What the source is magazine these grown folks, that's right.

559
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: But we're broadcasting over on Pandora for four point five

560
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: million people. So anyway, there's there's a section in the

561
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: former Bible of hip hop whatever that is called unsigned hype,

562
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: and we just went through that. Right, Well, I'll do it.

563
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: See this is what I'm talking about. I don't have

564
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: anger anyway, so common that's how I knew of you

565
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: because you were in the unsigned hype back in nineteen

566
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: ninety one ninety two. So did you work on your

567
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: demo at.

568
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 6: Florida A and m or I worked on the demo

569
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 6: before we got to a FAM, before I got to

570
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 6: Florida and them, and then we sent that demo out

571
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 6: and we heard that we had got selected for I'm

572
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 6: saying we because they always felt like it was collective.

573
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 6: It was me and no I d Twilight Tone, even

574
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 6: our manager Derek.

575
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: You know how everything feels. Wait, r no, not rhyman. No, no, no,

576
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: let's let's keep things.

577
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 6: I know Derek, I was like, what, yeah, But I mean,

578
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 6: you know, like most managers, he wanted to rhyme or

579
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 6: do something creative, but nah, he's he stuck to the business.

580
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 6: But when we got selected for for that Unsigned Hype,

581
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 6: that was like a big moment for me, Like it

582
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 6: was being from Chicago and and also like being at

583
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 6: a black college. It's just everybody was like, whoa, you

584
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 6: actually might be able to do something with this MC

585
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 6: and thing. Because my mother was like, she barely even

586
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 6: knew I rapped, really when I first got offered, Like

587
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 6: that's honestly how we got signed that because they were

588
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 6: Relativity Records was doing an album with the Unsigned Hype.

589
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 6: They had Biggie, they had Mob Deep, they had all

590
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 6: of us all these because Biggie was unsign Hype, so

591
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 6: it was mob deep. They had all of was doing

592
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 6: an album and it never the project never went through.

593
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 6: So they ended up pulling me and saying, man, we're

594
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 6: gonna sign you to you know, we're thinking about signing you.

595
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 6: So we had a meeting and man, that's how I

596
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 6: got signed from from that source unsigned hype.

597
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: And as you said, the source was the I mean.

598
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 6: Every time I made an album project at that time,

599
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 6: like please, can I get five mics in the source?

600
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: You know we all wanted that, did you all? You

601
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: all got five mics for we got to four and

602
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: a half, but you got a I think four and

603
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: a half is better than the five, you know what

604
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So be got four and a half? Right, yeah? Probably?

605
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 6: So yeah, Yeah.

606
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: You were an unsigned Hype longer than you were at them.

607
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: Is that dumb? I've heard one semester, I've heard a month.

608
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 6: I was there for a year and a half. But

609
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 6: I will say, no, you're not gonna tell the story,

610
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 6: are you.

611
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: No? I got straight a's.

612
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 6: I got straight a's my second's at FAM so and

613
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 6: I was majoring in business administration, like going to professional

614
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 6: development classes and all that.

615
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: What story was you talking about? Man? No, Well, the

616
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: you remember the Canada border story with so you know,

617
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: you know you have to tell the story now. No, okay, okay, okay, okay,

618
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: it's okay. Basically, he was on tour with us. Let him,

619
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: let him tell the Well, let me set up the preface.

620
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that this was ninety This was ninety nine,

621
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: two thousand and Probably it's easier now because I think

622
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: now that we're of age, that a lot of officers

623
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: and people in authority are kind of our age, so

624
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: they recognize us now. But back then, you know, to

625
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: get into Canada, Like it's easier for me to get

626
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: into the Middle Eastern Dubai than it is to fly

627
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: into Canada.

628
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all had a few situations the roots. I remember that.

629
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a lot. So the silliest one of

630
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: all was they made to, you know, the beginning of

631
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: The Simpsons when Bart has to write on the board

632
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: like I will not talk in class, I will not

633
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: like just to mess with Rashid and Tarique for small stuff,

634
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: like they had to write a two page book report

635
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: on the merits of human responsibility and how they're you know,

636
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: And then I asked roch, like, what happened? What's on

637
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: your record? And you told me the okay, So I mean,

638
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: just to be real open and stuff.

639
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 6: It's all good. So I was, you know, at college,

640
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 6: and you know, I'm a Chicago kid. We had a

641
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 6: little bit of just slickness to us, hustle and stuff,

642
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 6: and like I said, I was doing different things.

643
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: But so so.

644
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 6: One of my one of the guys we knew from Chicago,

645
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 6: had a roommate who they kind of looked alike. So

646
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 6: me and my guys talked to him and say, yo,

647
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 6: you need to get his I D and and checks

648
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 6: and we're going to shopping.

649
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: So we ended up made so sweet ended real week

650
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: that this is.

651
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 6: The story we ended up. He got the checks in

652
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 6: the in the in the I D. We ended up

653
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 6: going all around Tallahassee buying TVs, buying sweatsuit.

654
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: Whoa, this is another story. I was you might want

655
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: to walk this back, Brora.

656
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 6: Obviously I got caught up on this one. I wouldn't

657
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 6: be talking about giving a convention to a murder making

658
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 6: a murder of course.

659
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: Love.

660
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 6: So so we we go shopping everywhere sweatsuits, everything.

661
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: We down to the last store.

662
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 6: It's been an all day excursion and and uh, man,

663
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 6: we see he taking a long time in that at

664
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 6: the mars called Government Square mall.

665
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: He taking a long time in Themorrow. He come.

666
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 6: We see him coming out. He coming out handcuffs. Now

667
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 6: mind you, I'm just the dude driving and you know,

668
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 6: taking them around at every store. So we're like, damn,

669
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 6: he got caught. He got locked up. So we were

670
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 6: waiting at the house and I remember specifically, we was

671
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 6: watching American Music Awards Michael Jackson. We watching it on

672
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 6: the new TV, Michael Jackson sitting there and we're telling it,

673
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 6: eating it like, man, we got to wait to get

674
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 6: that car.

675
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: And we had Yeah, We're like, what's up? Who is that?

676
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: And then it's the police. We got your house around it.

677
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 6: They come in on us, and mind you, it was

678
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 6: other it was other cats there with us. Actually it

679
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 6: was one of my friends that kind of led the

680
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 6: way that actually was a good persuader and led the

681
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 6: way out. Like I said, I was the driver, but

682
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 6: for some reason a guy who got caught only pointed

683
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 6: me out. So I ended up getting knocked up and

684
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 6: I ended up having to do the thing where you

685
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 6: pick up trash on the on the highway. Yeah, community

686
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 6: service community, you said FAM because the other situation was

687
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 6: another thing.

688
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: But it was this other thing.

689
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: If people do.

690
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: Look, look, you know that that years it happened. It happened.

691
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: So sorry for bringing that up. I'm sorry.

692
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 4: I love that you lived all these lives.

693
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like I feel like at the

694
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 6: end of the day, you grow and learn. You know,

695
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 6: I ain't you know, ain't nobody trying to move like

696
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 6: that now. But you know that was that was the

697
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 6: thing where you kind of like get influenced to I

698
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 6: take responsibility, but for what what I do?

699
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: You know? But it was what I did too.

700
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 6: But it was like, man, you really can't like at

701
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 6: a group like because I wasn't initially my idea, but

702
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, I'm driving and what's so crazy on

703
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 6: some on some serious stuff like you know, I've been

704
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 6: going to visit, you know, going to visit prisons and

705
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 6: talking with people inside it that's incarcerated, and I've met

706
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 6: people that are doing life sentences for being in the

707
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 6: car for something.

708
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: So it put things in perspective.

709
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 6: For me, like, yeah, how many times I don't mean

710
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 6: it gets so serious, but it's real.

711
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 7: How many times that night did you say the following sentence,

712
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 7: I'm just the driver, I'm.

713
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: Just the driver.

714
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, they weren't going for that man, they you know

715
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 6: I was. I was sitting there thinking like, why did

716
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 6: you only point me out? Not that I wanted to

717
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 6: point anybody else, but just like be quiet at that point.

718
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 4: But and this is postman post raight A's just to

719
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 4: be clear, I mean.

720
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: This is doing fam. This was faum straight A's day.

721
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 4: So that's ill because now you got a daughter. It's

722
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 4: funny because I look on Instagram and I see your

723
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 4: daughters in college. So it's a totally different experience looking

724
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: at what she's going through versus what you went through

725
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 4: and you sharing those stories with her.

726
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's why I'm grateful that I went

727
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 6: through those things. Obviously, I'm grateful that I came out

728
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 6: of it on a on a positive side, because one

729
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 6: thing I did I always say no matter how much

730
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 6: like things that I did, I wasn't like, like I said,

731
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 6: I want no killer, but my.

732
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: Heart was always good.

733
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 6: I never really wanted to damage people, but I just

734
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 6: get caught up in stuff and do certain things. But

735
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 6: you know, I know, obviously stealing from somebody was damaging

736
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 6: some way or another.

737
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 4: But you made it sound real, innocent and good though.

738
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 4: But it was a college Obviously. You a lover, not

739
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 4: a fighter. I hear it in your spirit.

740
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: I only fight for the right. How can we get

741
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: to the first record?

742
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 6: So that.

743
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: God? Well you you were first signing Relativity Records? Correct,

744
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: So just that whole? What was your whole? I don't know,

745
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: like your aspirations. Once you had a record deal, did

746
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: you feel like well, first of all, how did you

747
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: explain to your mom that you're not going to go

748
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: back to school? And you know, my story was that

749
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: my dad didn't know about the Roots until the second album? No, seriously,

750
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: he didn't know until do you want more? So Olive

751
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: organics like I just hit you and he thought I

752
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: was still going to college and I wasn't. But how

753
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: did you get out of telling your mom, well, you're

754
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: not going back to college?

755
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 6: And I think, I mean similar to a certain degree.

756
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 6: My mother didn't even know I was rapping, you know,

757
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 6: she just and I said, look, man, I got a contract,

758
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 6: and I want to leave school and go pursue my

759
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 6: rap career. She like rap you know, she kind of

760
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 6: wasn't even she knew about it, like as a maybe

761
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 6: saw something out there, but she didn't think of it

762
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 6: as a profession. She was like, man, you need to

763
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 6: stay in school. And I was like, look, min, this

764
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 6: is a dream. Blah blah. She was like, Okay, I'm

765
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 6: gonna give you a year and a half and then

766
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 6: if it doesn't work. If it doesn't work, then you

767
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 6: need to be back in school. And she saw how

768
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 6: hard I was pursuing my goals. Initially was just to

769
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 6: be like to make a record, you know. I mean,

770
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 6: you know, as when you look when we used to

771
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 6: look at like Rap City and all these artists out there,

772
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 6: you would think once you see Big Daddy Kane or

773
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 6: you see KRS or you see the NWA, you think

774
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 6: they just rich and they got it made. When you

775
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 6: see that, you got a video. So I was like, man,

776
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 6: if I get a video and get a record out,

777
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 6: then life is done.

778
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: Life is good.

779
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 6: I made it, but man, it was such an awakening

780
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 6: when I released my first single and went around doing promo,

781
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 6: going to every city, doing all the work, and it

782
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 6: still didn't really get to radio or get to that

783
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 6: level of what I saw big records on the box.

784
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: Y'all remember the box, right, So your video exactly had

785
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: everybody calling up and that I was like, yeah, that's

786
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: what I did. Yeah, you best believe a call from Motown,

787
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: Philly like every five minutes, don't blinks it right exactly.

788
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 4: So wait, your first deal? What kind of I mean,

789
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 4: not to be in your business, but what kind of

790
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 4: money is that? Because I'm like, is that your mother

791
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, that's that's a couple of dollars. I

792
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 4: can chill.

793
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 6: I advanced and to this day, I think, you know,

794
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 6: it was a little like Twilight and No Idea. It

795
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 6: was like, what the hell? We split five thousand dollars?

796
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: What?

797
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, man, we spit. We split five thousand dollars.

798
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 6: As far as what went into I think, and I

799
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 6: think our recording budget may have been forty thousand dollars

800
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 6: or something of that nature. I literally remember signing a

801
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 6: contract for Relativity at Relativity in Queens, New York and

802
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 6: getting in the car and I sat in the hatchback

803
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 6: of Peter King, who was our A and R's car,

804
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 6: because he ain't have enough room.

805
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: So it was like it was.

806
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 6: I said, in the hatch, back in the back in

807
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 6: the Yeah. So it was like one of those things

808
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 6: where it really became the journey. And I'm super grateful

809
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 6: for the journey because when we talk about every day

810
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 6: people and stuff like that, like being common, me nor

811
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 6: the roots were able to be like come out and

812
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 6: just have a big single and things just your life

813
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 6: just changes. It's always been like a yeah, a gradual thing,

814
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 6: working class works, working classroom. See, as simple as that,

815
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 6: And so it makes you value things more. You like

816
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 6: you you also know how to stay humble because you

817
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 6: know it's ups and downs in this in this whole thing,

818
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 6: and and you don't get too shook by the by

819
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 6: the lows either, like because it's gonna be lows, and

820
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 6: then you don't get too shook by that because you know,

821
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 6: as a working class artist, you're like, this is what

822
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 6: I love to do. Times go get times go heat up,

823
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 6: times go get colder, but you just keep striving.

824
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, and in the early nineties, I mean that

825
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: was typical for I mean rap record deals. It is

826
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: sort of like what junk bonds are to Wall Street.

827
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: No real talk. Deyla Soul's entire first album was twenty

828
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: five thousand, three Rising cost twenty five thousand. Everything. That's

829
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: the entire budget. Cypress Hill's debut album seventy five thousand,

830
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: just to put in perspective, invokes Funky Divas their debut,

831
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: their sophomore album, that budget was two point five million. Wow.

832
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: The Metallica Black album that was five million. Michael Jackson's

833
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: Dangerous was ten million. So you know, a lot of

834
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: the early hip hop staples like a trib call Quest

835
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: celebrated because they at least had a six figure deal.

836
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: But even then, there's like two hundred thousand dollars, which

837
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: is pennies, you know, compared to That's how much of

838
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: the Redhead step child hip hop was compared to the

839
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: to the rest of the industry. So I'll say that

840
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: probably your most notable single, well, your most iconic single

841
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: is I Used to Love Her weird uh weird uh

842
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: uh acronym. I won't talk about the yeah, but what

843
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: what was the what was the genesis of I used

844
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: to Love Her? Well?

845
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 6: I was I can think about specifically where I was

846
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 6: at and when the.

847
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: Time hip hop in its everyday hip hop.

848
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 6: Hip you got revealed. No, that was it? No, that's

849
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 6: not it.

850
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: Does that makes sense?

851
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 6: No, it's hip hop and its essence and real ah okay, yeah,

852
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 6: but in the acronym, you know, you don't put in it.

853
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 6: You don't put an acronym. You don't have to put

854
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 6: the little small words get semester.

855
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 4: That's right.

856
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: That your official official. Okay, Burbon I've been I've been

857
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: teasing you forever for that anyway. So yeah, for those

858
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: that don't know, it's it's a story in which he

859
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: personifies hip hop as a girlfriend, his first girlfriend, and

860
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: describes her. I guess her movements her, you know, how

861
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: they first met and how she grew up, and how

862
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: they fell apart and got back together. And it really

863
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: touched a lot of people. I guess it struck a nerve,

864
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: I'll say, But what was the what was the genesis

865
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: of that creation?

866
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 6: Well, it was, as I said, I've been a fan

867
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 6: of just all aspects of hip hop, and what struck

868
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 6: me was I started to see people on the East

869
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 6: Coast imitating West Coast artists and that was really like

870
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 6: for me, one of the things that hip hop was

871
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 6: always you would hear people from Queen's be like, Yo,

872
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 6: this is like this is what we represent. We East

873
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 6: Coast New York, and I saw artists that was like

874
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 6: doing West Coast stuff, like rolling around in cars like

875
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 6: that they don't do out here, and I just felt

876
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 6: like some of the culture was being lost, some of

877
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 6: the periody of it was being lost, and that just

878
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 6: was the thought actually came to my mind because I

879
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 6: was just sitting around and once again I don't really

880
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 6: smoke weeds, so my friends were smoking and I probably

881
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 6: was just chilling like it was ninety ninety three and

882
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 6: a lot of hip hop I was listening to, from

883
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 6: Midnight Marauders to Balloon Mind State to Sol's a Mischief.

884
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 6: But I also was kind of in a hip hop work,

885
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 6: not a workshop, but like a camp almost because it

886
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 6: was no Id had these other dudes there that was rhyming,

887
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 6: this dude herb G and Cap and Milo from they

888
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 6: were from Indiana, so it was always rhyming and we

889
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 6: were just freestyling and doing stuff. So I was kind

890
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 6: of sharpening myself and getting more introduced to all these

891
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 6: new things, whether it was jazz music, which I wasn't

892
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 6: up on like to be honest, and then it was

893
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 6: like I just was sitting there one night and said, man,

894
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 6: what if I made hip hop a woman and just

895
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 6: and don't tell that I'm talking about hip hop until

896
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 6: the end.

897
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: And couldn't you find a real woman? Hey?

898
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 6: You know this is like a real love story that like,

899
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 6: I mean, I could have found a real woman. But no,

900
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 6: you know what was so what was so crazy was

901
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 6: like and I thought about this this the other day,

902
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 6: like when you're young in nineteen and you do a

903
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 6: love song, your friends look like, why are you giving

904
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 6: this girl heart his love? Because I was rapping I

905
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 6: used to love it in the booth and one of

906
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 6: my best friends, ra Son, was looking frowning while I

907
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,479
Speaker 6: was rapping it until I said, who I'm talking about

908
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 6: y'all's hip hop?

909
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 4: And he was like, oh shit, but that's kind of

910
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 4: fucked up up.

911
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: I know it is. I was saying, it's a messed

912
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: up child.

913
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 6: Yes, I mean the reason why I thought about it

914
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 6: because I was, you know, you know, with so much

915
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 6: going on and we're talking about the change and the

916
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 6: culture and stuff women and women, I was thinking like, damn,

917
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 6: I couldn't even rap a love song at nineteen, and

918
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 6: my somebody supported But eventually, obviously we know, as we know,

919
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 6: I went out because when you said when you was

920
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 6: like one of or you were talking about one of

921
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 6: when I thought you was gonna say the light was

922
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 6: my most I forgot.

923
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: About the light? How you?

924
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 4: I just thought we was going to.

925
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you my light story. But we when

926
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: we get to when we get to the chocolate ears.

927
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: But did you were you? First of all? I mean,

928
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: as an MC, I'll say that you you're probably the

929
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: most evolved human. I know that's an artist, because I mean,

930
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: as an MC, you've stuck to hip hop's rules of

931
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: just I feel like you right in the moment and

932
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: just be like all right, I'm gonna suff the consequence later.

933
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just say, like you said, some of the

934
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 1: wildest shit ever on Wax offensive, non offense, whatever, just whatever,

935
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: and like and I'll be like, Russ, what's gonna happen?

936
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: Like when you, at least for I used to love her? Like,

937
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: were you not thinking at all? Like maybe Dosa Effects

938
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: might take offense to this? Maybe the West Coast might

939
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: take offense to this, and I'll just let me go

940
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: for it. Like did you have any idea that people

941
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: would I was or did you just not think like

942
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: this single? Just be like my little single no it's

943
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: not no no no no.

944
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 6: I said, Man, you brought up a good point because

945
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 6: when that was also part of it. Why I Used

946
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 6: to Love Her came about too is because it was

947
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 6: like once Dots Effects would do something, everybody would start

948
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 6: rhyming like that, and I was I was like, the

949
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 6: rigid hip hop was always about like what are you

950
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 6: doing this fresh? That's why we use the word fresh,

951
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 6: what's the original? What's your waist? And I felt like

952
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 6: when I wrote I used to Love Her, I had

953
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 6: enough courage and like my heart and I felt like

954
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 6: I'm speaking my truth, so if my truth gets i

955
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 6: catch some repercussions because of it.

956
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: Cool.

957
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 6: I didn't think it was gonna come from the West

958
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 6: Coast because I kind of said she broke to the

959
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 6: West Coast and that was cool around the same time

960
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 6: I went away to school, and I'm a man of expanding.

961
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: Well, I know that, but I'm just saying that I

962
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: know that you meant, and now I see motherfucker slamming

963
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: and taking her to the sewer. I didn't think that

964
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: you meant like Dots Effects onyx ice Cube. You meant

965
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: the clones of those guys clones, But did you ever

966
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: see Dosa effects or onyx and then not think like, oh,

967
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: you were talking about us, not our clones or well

968
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: what that.

969
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 6: Was The one thing that that that I have to say,

970
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 6: going back to the South Side that I was still had.

971
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: In me was a crew A crew crew.

972
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 6: So so that's effects I actually thought they dis on

973
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 6: the song and my boys just brought this up. I

974
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 6: went down to their dressing room and with my guys Chicago.

975
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: And was doing the forty years. Yeah, I was like,

976
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: what's up? What's up now? You know, like how you

977
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: came in the door. They just steal their TV right away.

978
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 6: But by the way, man, I had some yo, my friends,

979
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 6: some of my crew. I mean I remember doing the

980
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 6: show with Koogi Rap opening up for Coogie Rapping Red

981
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 6: Man and this is the we my friends just was

982
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 6: didn't know, but they straight went into that dressing room

983
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 6: and ate that food from the rider.

984
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: No.

985
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, it like took there for and I had to

986
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 6: pay for it. Like anyway, My point is you minuted

987
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 6: they minuted it. No, but they just knew like cause

988
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 6: we were the first ones there.

989
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: I had. It was in my neighborhood. The show was

990
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: at the Regal Theater.

991
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 6: So it's like, yeah, so anyway, I don't remember what

992
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 6: the initial thing.

993
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: What were we saying.

994
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 4: Do we just taught lessons?

995
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I had to learn that.

996
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 6: I learned that and and I was like, look, man,

997
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 6: we getting the list and this is what we can do,

998
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 6: and we you know, we start you grow from that.

999
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 6: You start learning. I can't just roll and just roll

1000
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 6: have like forty people with me. It just is not productive.

1001
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 6: And especially once you start putting in perspective this is this.

1002
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: Is my profession. Oh that's what I was talking about.

1003
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 6: Even when when I did the West Coast, I mean

1004
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 6: even when mac ten and Ice Ice Q to them

1005
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 6: came out with the disc record. We were in Atlanta

1006
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 6: doing the show with Grand Pooba Outcast and mac Ten

1007
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 6: and these and those guys, and uh we saw them

1008
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 6: at the show and they you know, they kind of

1009
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 6: just walked past and.

1010
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: Then when they got to the.

1011
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 6: End of the hallway, they was like they hollowed out

1012
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 6: west Side and we was like, we south side. What

1013
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 6: that means to us? You know, Like so it was

1014
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 6: it was put it this way. I was able to

1015
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 6: speak my truth because I spoke that same truth around people.

1016
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: I was around.

1017
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 6: So if I couldn't do it into into the culture,

1018
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 6: then what am I really doing? Plus we used to

1019
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 6: say stuff in hip hop like you could. I was

1020
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 6: listening to Pooh Bah and he was like talking about

1021
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 6: Oprah or something. You know, you would say stuff like

1022
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 6: this raw stuff ignorant.

1023
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 4: It don't go viral like it does now. But wait,

1024
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 4: can we talk about beefs? Can I just ask about

1025
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 4: fair Con? Because I always thought that was ill and

1026
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 4: I think maybe it was like one more beef after

1027
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 4: you guys were he intoed. But what was that like

1028
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 4: for fara con into your situation like that and being

1029
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 4: from Chicago? How did that happen?

1030
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 6: It was really it was pretty I would say power.

1031
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 6: It was really powerful in many ways because it was

1032
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 6: right after First of all, I kind of, you know,

1033
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 6: got introduced more to fairy con through hip hop through

1034
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 6: Public Enemy, and people would bring up fairy con and rap.

1035
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 6: So then you know, some of the cats I worked with,

1036
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 6: like No Idea eventually with being the Nation at one point,

1037
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 6: but read yeah, this is around the time they were

1038
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 6: Derek my manager. They all had been through the Nation

1039
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 6: of Islam and were fruits of Islam. But so by

1040
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 6: the time Farah Khan was squashing the beef, it was

1041
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 6: right after Biggie's death, which you know, what preceded Biggie's

1042
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 6: death was Tupac's death.

1043
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: So it was like, you know, it's weird I'm around

1044
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: at this point. You didn't even know that he squashed

1045
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: the beef. I never add to I think maybe the

1046
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: third time we met, you played me uh verse one

1047
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: of the bitching you your response to ice Cube.

1048
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 4: And they had beef, y'all.

1049
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: If you didn't know, well you already skipped to the making.

1050
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 4: Up part, right, But I loved.

1051
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: You like anyway. But no, they won't get it anyway.

1052
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: So I didn't. I didn't know that it got that

1053
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: bad that he had to come and intervene.

1054
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, well it definitely. I mean, like I said, Mike

1055
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 6: ten and all those guys are real guys on the

1056
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 6: West Coast, and I gotta respect that, and I know

1057
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 6: that they will take it there. And like I said,

1058
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 6: it was people on my side that also would defend

1059
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 6: me and defend I would defend myself. So it was

1060
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 6: the tension. We weren't mature enough to be like, yo, man,

1061
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 6: let's squash this ourselves. It was like that you know

1062
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 6: that young ego, like, man, you said this and that,

1063
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 6: and so it was Yo, fay Con had to squash it.

1064
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 6: People people were dying, and that's the point. We were like, man,

1065
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 6: we got into hip hop to live, like this is

1066
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 6: something we love to do and I'm not out here

1067
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 6: trying to destroy another human being.

1068
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: So it was like, man, we got to squash this.

1069
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: He had a meeting.

1070
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 6: It was us, Fat Joe, I think some of the

1071
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 6: Goodie Mob. It was a lot of just just people

1072
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 6: from hip hop. And he was like, man, do y'all

1073
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 6: know this is like this is like that Willie Lynch

1074
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 6: letter where where you know, you pit the pit people

1075
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 6: against each other East coast and West coast.

1076
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: Do y'all own the land? He started breaking it down.

1077
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: Do you own the land?

1078
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 6: Like you know that whole theory of like man, light

1079
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 6: skin versus dark skin. He started breaking it down. Or

1080
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 6: you on this side and this side. It's just like, man,

1081
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 6: don't let the master.

1082
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: Don't let it.

1083
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 6: Not that they were our masters, but don't let them

1084
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 6: pit us against each other. Is what the gist of it.

1085
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 6: All of us recognized that is.

1086
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 4: Like the money to be made in beef sometimes too,

1087
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 4: So yeah.

1088
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 6: I mean it was like, shoot, think about it, Like

1089
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 6: all the money that was made in.

1090
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 4: They didn't go in your pocket.

1091
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: Right, So for first of all, your next album, one

1092
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: day it all makes sense. Crazy, For one day it

1093
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: all makes sense, which I kind of like now when

1094
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: I look at the at your can, I almost see

1095
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: one day it all makes sense, sort of as the

1096
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: flyer that someone hands out at the nightclub that will

1097
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: announce the things to come, like it's its own album,

1098
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: But really it was the preview of because I mean

1099
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: you're you brought Tarik and Q Tip and Erica and

1100
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: me and uh not Dilla yet, but who else was

1101
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 1: on it? Daya Selo too, right, yes, yeah, So it's

1102
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: like the idea of bringing the community together. And Lauren,

1103
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: I have a question about uh retrospectful life.

1104
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 4: Oh god do we have to Well here's the thing.

1105
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, you know, according to Fox News,

1106
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: you're super liberal rapper or whatever. So I mean, I

1107
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: know I know that your pro choice. I know that

1108
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: your your pro choice in your everyday life. But the

1109
00:59:55,320 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: narrative of that song seems very conservative, like it's and

1110
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: I know that for you. I mean you're really talking

1111
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: to your daughter who's now a full grown woman in

1112
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: college and whatnot. But just at the time, what was

1113
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: what was your mind state? Because just when I went

1114
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,959
Speaker 1: on Genius and just read the lyrics, I was like, wow,

1115
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: like this could almost seem like a conservative, pro life rap.

1116
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 4: That's the teenage girl who was making some mistakes. It

1117
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 4: was like, I can't get through this song right now.

1118
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was it was it was sort of

1119
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: a heartstring your first a comment like sort of a

1120
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: hearing but.

1121
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 4: I am about to be in somebody in mamadel comment,

1122
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 4: so you can just.

1123
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm just mad. I'm just mad that you made the

1124
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: second song. That's the first thing, Like what do you

1125
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: think of my record? I'm like, why did you make

1126
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: that the second song? Like I was mad at your

1127
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: sequences and work on my next record. I was like, okay,

1128
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: bet I will you need some help? But yeah, I'm

1129
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: just talking about like did you and Lauren go through that? Uh?

1130
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: Talk about that together there? Like how did that collaboration come?

1131
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, like it was a I am

1132
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 6: pro choice. I believe every woman human woman should have

1133
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 6: that choice to be able to do what they want

1134
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 6: with their body and their bodies and.

1135
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: So so I.

1136
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 6: Really when I wrote Retrospect for Life, which is about abortion,

1137
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 6: I just really was writing it from a perspective of

1138
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 6: what I felt like as a human being, like some

1139
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 6: of the the fact of just being more responsible for

1140
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 6: me and not just you know, being out here raw,

1141
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 6: you know, you know not. So it was more like,

1142
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 6: I'm I'm playing a part in this and let me.

1143
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 6: I shouldn't have to put people that I care about,

1144
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 6: meaning a woman through this, and at the end of

1145
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 6: the day, I shouldn't put an unborn child through this.

1146
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: So I kind of was just not wanting to be

1147
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: a deadbeat dad and that cliche.

1148
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I just was, you know, it was talking

1149
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 6: about all the emotions. I remember writing it because I

1150
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 6: used to go see a lot of poets and this

1151
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 6: is writer named Gwendolen Brooks and I and I went

1152
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 6: to an event that she had and I kind of.

1153
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: All that sparked me to just write it.

1154
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 6: I wrote that more as a poetry, so you know,

1155
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 6: as you know, I mean, you always be like you

1156
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 6: need to rhyme more on beat, you can't count, yeah,

1157
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 6: so so so uh, you know, I kind of took

1158
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 6: that poem and made it into a song. And what

1159
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 6: I had been talking about talking to Lauren while you

1160
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 6: all were on tour with her, wasn't you all? It

1161
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 6: was you all, the goodie mom and the foods. Yeah, yeah,

1162
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 6: I was talking to Lauren about doing the song, and

1163
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 6: it's you know, she was on the move a lot.

1164
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 6: And then I finally came across that song and she

1165
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 6: with her about to have a child and I was

1166
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 6: about to have a child. It was like our babies

1167
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 6: were doing the same day. It was kind of like

1168
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 6: this this thing that was going on. And we went

1169
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 6: through the song because you had introduced us to James Poison,

1170
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 6: I had James come through and and we just.

1171
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: Started messing with it.

1172
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 6: No id did the drums we had because we were

1173
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 6: going through the process of the song evolving, and Lauren

1174
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 6: just started trying different ideas and she I think she

1175
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 6: wanted to do it because you know, she was just supporting.

1176
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 6: But at the same token, I think she felt that

1177
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 6: the story was important, and I was super grateful that

1178
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 6: she wanted to direct the video, and I do agree

1179
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 6: that one day it all makes sense. Was also a

1180
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 6: foreshadowing of what the evolution would be at that time,

1181
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 6: because that was the first time I really started like

1182
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 6: just using some live instrumentation and trying out different things.

1183
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 6: And it's fun when you start exploring and learning about

1184
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 6: new music, like you've been a great musician from a baby.

1185
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 6: But I was like learning new music like that. I

1186
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 6: didn't know. So that's when the album came out.

1187
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: Like that, Why did it take three years? Though? Man?

1188
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 6: I was stressing out, like over I was going. I

1189
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 6: was going out touring to get to just support myself.

1190
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 6: I wasn't happy with the lab, like trying to figure

1191
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 6: out and they were trying to talk me into They

1192
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 6: was using peers like Naves or different people to be

1193
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 6: like yo, you see they making hit records, And I

1194
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 6: was like, man, it just wasn't I didn't. I didn't

1195
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 6: have it in me to try to just cook up

1196
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 6: a hit like like yo, I'm about to make a

1197
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 6: hit record. I just didn't know how to do that,

1198
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 6: to be honest, and that just wasn't my everything I did.

1199
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 6: I had to feel it like for me to create it.

1200
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,919
Speaker 6: So anyway, I was going through that process with the label,

1201
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 6: and I also was like, man, just trying to grow.

1202
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 6: I was trying to think you ever been through that

1203
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 6: point where you figured out like what am I going

1204
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 6: to create next, like I got to be inspired to create.

1205
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 6: And from a writer's level too, it's like where do

1206
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,959
Speaker 6: I want to write about? What am I experiencing in life?

1207
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 6: So I think that's what took some time.

1208
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: Well that that would also be your last record with

1209
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: New Idea, who at that point YouTube were closely associated

1210
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: with each other for your first three records. How did

1211
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: you was the partying amicable or how did you two

1212
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: stop working? Yeah?

1213
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 6: No, I think it was more it wasn't like, man,

1214
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 6: we got beef. It was more like, man, I gotta

1215
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 6: go grow, and this growth is going to be I

1216
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 6: don't know. I got to move from Chicago because at

1217
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 6: the end of the day, it wasn't just like me

1218
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 6: musically just needing to.

1219
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: Grow, but I just needed to grow as a human being.

1220
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 6: And it was like being in Chicago, even around some

1221
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 6: of my friends I grew up with, their mentality was

1222
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 6: still boxed, and I was like, man, I can't I'm

1223
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 6: out of this box. I was going up to which

1224
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 6: seemed like nothing to y'all now because everybody experienced it.

1225
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 6: But I was going to eat at tay Foo restaurants.

1226
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 6: I was watching like like I was watching movies like

1227
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 6: four rooms, you know, you know.

1228
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: What I'm saying exactly.

1229
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 6: So I was I would be like, hey, y'all watch

1230
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 6: the four rooms, and they'd be looking like, man.

1231
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: What is this superset?

1232
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 6: Like so and and and me not being like at

1233
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 6: that point strong enough to be like, look, this is it,

1234
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 6: and I just like, I'm going to I'm going to

1235
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 6: book exactly.

1236
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: And I came out to.

1237
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 6: I came out to New York, were like two weeks

1238
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 6: worth of clothing maybe less than that, thinking I was

1239
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 6: just gonna stay for two weeks.

1240
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: I never went back.

1241
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I went back for home to go,

1242
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 6: but I moved here to New York and it was

1243
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 6: just it was one of the best things that happened

1244
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 6: in my life because I got to you know, I

1245
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 6: would get to go to the studio with y'all bumping

1246
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 6: the I would bump in the Primo. I was introduced

1247
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 6: to a shack of givings. Who was you know, did

1248
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 6: the crochet said it like? It just was like I

1249
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 6: would go see a Gordon Parks display and at at

1250
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 6: a museum in New York. I could go me and belive.

1251
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 6: I would go to jazz clubs and just listen. So

1252
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 6: it was like, you know what, you know where New

1253
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 6: York is, it's just a culmination of so many artists.

1254
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 6: So I got to spread my wings.

1255
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: Well I'll say that, you know, of course i'd be

1256
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: supervised to say that. Well, yeah, your Chocolate Electric phase

1257
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: is my favorite period, not because I was involved with it,

1258
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: But no, it wasn't. I mean what you sure, No,

1259
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: But what you did was you provided me with the

1260
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: greatest front seat ever, which is getting to watch Dila

1261
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: work in real time. And I mean that was my excitement.

1262
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: That's the thing, like all the dial of fan worship

1263
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: we do now that he's gone, I mean it took everything.

1264
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: He's one of those people that he's really uncomfortable and

1265
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: he would always say like yo, geek down, geek down,

1266
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: like you weren't allowed to praise him. You weren't allowed to,

1267
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, call him up for five and be like, okay,

1268
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: is this snare drum from Uh? He would have never

1269
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: done the show, right, Yeah, he would have done it.

1270
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: He would have done it because he's my boy.

1271
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 4: But but talk about that though, because how did he

1272
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 4: come into the picture then, because we don't know.

1273
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna get to that. So so in in

1274
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:35,799
Speaker 1: making like Water for Chocolate, I mean was your because

1275
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,759
Speaker 1: with that album you also went platinum, which is weird

1276
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: because you wanted to make such a radical left turn

1277
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: with your career. I know that you wanted to make

1278
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: an artistic statement and then you just messed around and

1279
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: also went platinum at the same time, which you know,

1280
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: none of us even at the time when well maybe

1281
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: Voodoo because DeAngelo was a singer and all it's stuff,

1282
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 1: but during the time of things fall apart and all

1283
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 1: these records that get made at the same time, none

1284
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: of us ever thought that we were all getting one

1285
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: million people to shell out this money to buy the music.

1286
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 1: So we were just like, let's just make the best

1287
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 1: music possible. But for you, like what described First of all,

1288
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: just describe working with Dila because of all of us,

1289
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you sleep on his couch more than anything.

1290
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 1: You got to watch him real time.

1291
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, So first I met Dyla when I was

1292
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,759
Speaker 6: out with day La Soul and they had some beats

1293
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 6: and maces like you gotta check out Deyla.

1294
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: No, actually I met him with Q Tip.

1295
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 6: We had went and did this Vibe conference that Quincy

1296
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 6: Jones had and and we left the conference and went

1297
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 6: to Q Tip's house. And at his house, Dyla was

1298
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 6: down like fingering through these records and he was sitting

1299
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 6: there and I didn't He was real quiet, So I

1300
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 6: did I know Dealer's like Detroit Hood's side to a

1301
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 6: certain degree because he was just a quiet, good, you

1302
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 6: know dude. And then Q Tip started playing me all

1303
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 6: these these beasts that Dila did and I was like,

1304
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 6: this dude is incredible. So then I got a beat

1305
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 6: tape from him, and that's when I.

1306
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: Was thinking about.

1307
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 6: I was on the road with Daylight and I said,

1308
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 6: JD can you come, can we like lay some stuff?

1309
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 6: And he flew himself to Chicago and laid some beats

1310
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 6: for me. I worked on him, and this is in

1311
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 6: the process of me being I think it was right

1312
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 6: after that was before one day. It all makes sense.

1313
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 6: So I never used the beats, but I think it

1314
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 6: was ninety eight. I went to Deler's house with you

1315
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 6: all with the roots while you always going to do

1316
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 6: ill a fifth Dynamite. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. You

1317
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 6: were with us in Detroit. Yeah, we went to Detroit.

1318
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 6: I just got you know, we were all on the

1319
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 6: same label. So when I hooked up with Dila at

1320
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 6: that point with y'all, it was like, yeah, we got

1321
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 6: to do some music. So I would just make those

1322
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 6: trips to to Detroit, and it was it was a

1323
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:07,839
Speaker 6: combination of just me watching the greatest in his his spirit,

1324
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 6: to him going to the strip club and then coming

1325
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 6: back making beats, to him us going to Korean barbecue,

1326
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 6: you know, and just chilling us going to play video

1327
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 6: games or I'm not video you know, go to the

1328
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 6: game place where you shoot basket. I remember Delly used

1329
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 6: to love shooting those you know, you know the basketball

1330
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 6: We go to those joints, or go watch the matrix.

1331
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 6: All this was part of our bonding in relationship. It

1332
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 6: wasn't nothing like playing. It's just what we did. But

1333
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 6: they would definitely go to strip club. And I'm not

1334
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 6: a strip club dude, so not that I'm like judging.

1335
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 6: It just wasn't my thing. But that's part of the

1336
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 6: culture of Detroit. Yeah so so they yeah, exactly so.

1337
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 6: But just to watch him pull out records and just

1338
01:11:55,479 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 6: work and just something changed my life man Like it was.

1339
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 6: It was incredible and I would always if I wasn't there,

1340
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 6: he even you know, when he was just making beats

1341
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 6: he would send me a batch. He'd like, I got

1342
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 6: a batch coming, and I would call his mother, you

1343
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 6: know my dukes would be like, okay, I'm sending it

1344
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 6: to your place, and I would get a CD of

1345
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 6: she would mel it.

1346
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so.

1347
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 6: You know, and then to watch him like start making

1348
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 6: songs with me. Jad would do what he wanted because

1349
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 6: I wanted him to rhyme on the song Funky for You.

1350
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 6: I wanted all the slum village to rhyme on that

1351
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 6: song on like Water for Chocolate, Funky for You. And

1352
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 6: he sat in the studio in and he was he

1353
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 6: was like trying to come up with something. I guess,

1354
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 6: but I don't think he really His heart was in

1355
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 6: the rhyming on that one. But so that night he

1356
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 6: went home and I thought he was done. He came

1357
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 6: back the next morning pick me up and had to

1358
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 6: be for Thelonius and had the hook Yeah yeah, play

1359
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 6: at your own wrist like like you know, bitch, I'm

1360
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 6: on some grown ship. I was like, he's I said

1361
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 6: what yo? He said, Yo, this this, I think we

1362
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 6: should do this one. I was like, man, if you

1363
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 6: give us this, this is incredible. So my point is

1364
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 6: he would do what he wanted to do somebody operated

1365
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 6: strictly from a passion level. That was one of the

1366
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 6: dudes that I really felt like if he ain't feeling

1367
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 6: you or feeling it, he ain't rocking with it, but

1368
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 6: he would put his heart and soul into that music.

1369
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 6: And you know, I mean it's just man. I mean,

1370
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 6: I got to before delap passed. We were roommates, so

1371
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 6: it was like in my front room, I just got

1372
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 6: to see him sitting there just making beats like and

1373
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:38,640
Speaker 6: at the Saint token physically like in a way deteriorating,

1374
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 6: but just still just making.

1375
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 1: To me because even the last time I visited him,

1376
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know that he could barely communicate or talk

1377
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: or hold his hands up. And I'm trying to figure out, like,

1378
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: especially the last period of his life, that the whole

1379
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: deal with his phase where he was, I mean, the

1380
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: deal with his face is close to the Donuts album,

1381
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:08,799
Speaker 1: where it's just the beats were so advanced that MCS

1382
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: didn't even belong on those beats, Like he was basically communicating.

1383
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 1: If you listen to Donuts and you listen to all

1384
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,719
Speaker 1: the samples that he used and the words that he uses,

1385
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: that's him sort of communicating his last will and testament,

1386
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: his goodbye. You know, him breaking down. I don't want

1387
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: to see you cry, like to his mother and even

1388
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: the TENCC Johnny, don't do it to his little brother John,

1389
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: like just the way that he weaves samples in. I

1390
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: didn't realize that it was that bad. But his mind

1391
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: was still sharp. Physically, it took. He was slower at

1392
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: making the stuff, but the ideas in his mind were

1393
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: sharper than ever.

1394
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 6: Which man his mind was that, But it was really

1395
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 6: it was difficult for I mean, obviously it was difficult

1396
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 6: to see somebody you know, like is one of the

1397
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 6: greatest and then just one of your friends, like not

1398
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 6: be able to do the things that they were just

1399
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 6: like two years ago he was coming to pick me

1400
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 6: up in the range, Robbo. It might be the escalade

1401
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 6: and bumping beats and just having fun. And to see

1402
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 6: him like laying on the couch sick, just not being

1403
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 6: able to move and whenever you could get that energy

1404
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 6: going to make beats was just it.

1405
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: Was hard for me.

1406
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 6: I actually like wouldn't stay at the house as much

1407
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 6: because it just was like, man, this is tough. But

1408
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 6: then I was like, I gotta be there at a

1409
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 6: certain point. But it brought you know, my own humanity

1410
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 6: or what's the word, you know, like when you what's

1411
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 6: the word on trying to search for totality my own

1412
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 6: mortality in the play. But more than anything, I just

1413
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 6: felt for my brother like that, and I remember him

1414
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 6: being like telling his mother he one of the main

1415
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 6: things he didn't want to do was be in the

1416
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 6: hospital on his birthday, and he died three days later

1417
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 6: after his birthday, February seventh. He died on February tenth

1418
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 6: in the physical form, and it was like he was like, man,

1419
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 6: I just don't want to be in the hospital on

1420
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 6: my birthday. But it was deep, man, it was you know,

1421
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 6: that's one of the greatest bonds I've ever had as

1422
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 6: a person, as a creator, and like we all been

1423
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 6: in all of him. When you when you talk about

1424
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 6: people like you said, you ain't want to just jump

1425
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 6: out and be like, yo, you're great. I can remember

1426
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 6: instant like specific instances like me and me and JD

1427
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 6: walked into a for ral session for real, got down

1428
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 6: on his knees and started just bound down. So Kanye

1429
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 6: came to our house. JD gave him a record of

1430
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 6: forty five with some drums. It was Kanye used to

1431
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 6: sample JD's drums off his beat tapes and he was like,

1432
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 6: come on, man, right, just take my tru off my

1433
01:16:55,000 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 6: feet tape. But you know, so JD gave him this

1434
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 6: this record. I mean, we went to me and Ye

1435
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 6: went to the studio. YA was like telling everybody, Yo, Jay,

1436
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 6: Dila gave me these Dila gave me these Jonks. It

1437
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 6: just was to see people's reaction when they saw Dyla.

1438
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 6: It made me be like, oh man, this dude is

1439
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 6: the god. We knew he was the god, but he

1440
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 6: was god.

1441
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 1: You know. He and I, He and I had one.

1442
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: It was weird because my the fan worship was so

1443
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 1: was so big on my level that as executive producer

1444
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: of that record, I also did want to make a

1445
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 1: misstep and I was wrestling with in my mind on

1446
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: how to tell him I didn't like a particular beat.

1447
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 1: Which one was it? The light man, that's why you record. Listen, listen.

1448
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,600
Speaker 1: I listened to a mirror a lot to it. Yeah,

1449
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what it was though. There

1450
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: was a week. I don't know what I had to do.

1451
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: I think it was touring. There was a week I

1452
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: took off and I came back and you already rhyme

1453
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: to it, and I was like, okay, But it was

1454
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: just that it was just at that point because it

1455
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: was so because the amount of work that we were

1456
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 1: doing was so radical and again it was voodoo like

1457
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: water for chocolate, even the other stuff we were working on.

1458
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: It was just like, to me, the light was so

1459
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 1: I mean, in my mind, I felt like we had

1460
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: to push everything to the left and so hardcore, and

1461
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: it sounded so normal to me that I was just like, oh, okay,

1462
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 1: that's that's it, that's normal. I was like, well, no,

1463
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean just at the time, I was just like

1464
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking like you got to make something palatable

1465
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 1: for you know, people to grasp. Yeah. I didn't know

1466
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 1: about that back in two thousand, keeping a simple and

1467
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: I never liked it. And it kept on winding up

1468
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: on the you know, like the monthly. All right, let's

1469
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: get all the beat together and figure out and that

1470
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: was always on my like my probe, my con I

1471
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: was like, I don't like that. Lights on whatever, It's

1472
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 1: all right, but it's nothing exciting, you know, And because

1473
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: I always thought like doing it was that was going

1474
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 1: to be the single, like you know, it's hardcore hip.

1475
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 4: Hop, and but also at the time you don't want it,

1476
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 4: but this was you.

1477
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: You also have to understand that the rules the rules

1478
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: of of like the hip hop elite. I mean, we

1479
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: were knee deep still in that hole. Like we had

1480
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: yet to work with jay Z. So back then jay

1481
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: Z was still the devil.

1482
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 4: But you still had your you Got Me formula by

1483
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 4: the end.

1484
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we were the roots. We were never accepted

1485
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: as quote real hip hop. We were always alternative hip hop.

1486
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 1: So we get away with murder.

1487
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 4: But the light was like that you Got Me. I

1488
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 4: always thought it looked at it.

1489
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that even common moving to

1490
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: Brooklyn was seeing as a radical how could you move?

1491
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: You know? And I was more afraid of the perception

1492
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 1: that I brought him down or that sort of thing.

1493
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: So I just didn't like it, you know what I mean.

1494
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: I mean that's you know, I'd like it now, but

1495
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: I love it now. Man. Look, I honestly that I

1496
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: don't help people for my Mama house, I'm fine for it.

1497
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 6: I mean I have to say, like I never looked

1498
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 6: at that song like it was commercial. I know, I

1499
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 6: just went on when I heard that beat, and he

1500
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 6: honestly had that beat on a beat CD, right, yeah,

1501
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 6: and it was it was for fife or something, God

1502
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 6: bless his soul something. It was just on a beat

1503
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 6: CD that I think ffe it either got to and

1504
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:45,919
Speaker 6: it wasn't complete.

1505
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 1: He had just made it.

1506
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 6: It was drums, right, So when I heard it, I

1507
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 6: was like, yo, Dad, what's up with this?

1508
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: You know?

1509
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 6: And then he was like, man, I'm about to I'll

1510
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 6: redo it for you, and he put those drums and

1511
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 6: he started scratching the hook a little bit and I

1512
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 6: was like, man, it was that song just hit my soul.

1513
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 6: And at the time, you know, as you know, I

1514
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 6: was like in love with earthy girls and all that,

1515
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 6: so I could just write, that's.

1516
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 4: What were you feeling like that first?

1517
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 1: Lie your mind? Your mind. Erica wasn't the first choice

1518
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: for the video. Who was Who was it? We had

1519
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 1: Lisa Bone for like a week. We had Lisa you

1520
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 1: don't remember, I forgot man. We had Lisa for a

1521
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 1: week and then she couldn't do it.

1522
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 4: She's never been in a video.

1523
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: She's been in liney stuff. Oh yeah, I mean, don't

1524
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: count man.

1525
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 4: That's what his wife or whatever.

1526
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, we we had. We had and I

1527
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: wanted and the thing was, I'm not that dude. That

1528
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: was like, yo, we can exploit the relationship because again

1529
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 1: I felt that there was danger in the Erica thing

1530
01:21:55,560 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: because I didn't want the friction of Dungeon family versus

1531
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: so queery things going on, because back then y'all were

1532
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 1: still friends. It was friends at the end of the day,

1533
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 1: they were absolutely friends, and so I just felt that

1534
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: was more danger making abundantly clear. No we were I

1535
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: ain't even front we were friends. I mean obviously, I

1536
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 1: mean no, but it was there was I mean, there

1537
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 1: was potential. Could feel a certain way about a certain situation,

1538
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: and I was just like, yo, man, just go with

1539
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: just go with Lisabo name man, it's safer route and that.

1540
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 1: And when she dropped out and Eric's like I'm doing it,

1541
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, this is just going to

1542
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 1: add fuel to the fire.

1543
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 4: And then came to essence covering, it was like, well.

1544
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: That was like two years later.

1545
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 4: They were felt like so lightish.

1546
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: The light that was that was a little later.

1547
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 6: That's when that was obviously together were that's when he's

1548
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 6: wearing footies.

1549
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 4: In the light.

1550
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 1: We weren't dating, and they weren't lay stop trying to

1551
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: got you.

1552
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm trying to get today.

1553
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 6: We were not dating like then we say that Bill and.

1554
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 4: I just dating.

1555
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 6: So it was more more like one of those things

1556
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 6: that like I really liked her and we had a

1557
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 6: real connection, but it wasn't we hadn't crossed the line.

1558
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 6: And maybe maybe it was like it wasn't because of

1559
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 6: the Dungeon family, but maybe you know, I don't know

1560
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 6: why we hadn't crossed the line, but it was just like, man,

1561
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 6: I definitely looked at her. It was like this woman

1562
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 6: is incredible and I was digging her, but there wasn't

1563
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 6: that time yet.

1564
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: He looked her in the eye. To this day, I

1565
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: don't look Erica in the six seconds because.

1566
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 4: By the time Come Close came around, it was like, oh.

1567
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that was then. It was we were together

1568
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 6: at that point. So but but the light was the

1569
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 6: light was the first time that uh and by the way,

1570
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,719
Speaker 6: Come Close, Amya came with the idea for that video,

1571
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 6: but I guess I forgot that. Yeah, it was he

1572
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 6: was like we need to do something like say anything.

1573
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 6: Wasn't that the movie with John? Yeah? Yeah, sometimes people

1574
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 6: love the idea of somebody holding up something to a building,

1575
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 6: and I was like, we need to black say anything. Yeah,

1576
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 6: and then and then we and then somewhere down the

1577
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 6: line was centered me or somebody's idea was like, man,

1578
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 6: let's just make the woman death.

1579
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 1: You know that way makes sense that you're holding the scientist.

1580
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, they just gave it another dementia. But I wanted

1581
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 6: to tell you something about the light. It was like

1582
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 6: the first time.

1583
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 1: First.

1584
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 6: First of all, I laid the rap down and didn't

1585
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:19,560
Speaker 6: I didn't even finish it. That's why I was like,

1586
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 6: took a time, I'll tell you the rest of it.

1587
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 6: I see peace, you know that. And I kept trying

1588
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 6: to go back in the studio and relay it, and

1589
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 6: it never felt the same. So I knew that record

1590
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 6: was just about a feeling. But it was the first

1591
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:37,839
Speaker 6: time that I ever saw little black girls like singing

1592
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 6: my song. They didn't know who common was, they didn't

1593
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 6: know common sense, none of that. So it was like incredible.

1594
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 1: Because you were living when they came home maybe nine.

1595
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, So it was like I remember being on the radio,

1596
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 6: you know those radio shows that they have.

1597
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: I was on One Earth Real radio underground.

1598
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 6: I was on the radio on the show and I

1599
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 6: was like, damn, like girls are singing my songs and

1600
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 6: like it just it was another feeling.

1601
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 1: It felt.

1602
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 6: It felt like rewarding that little black girls was singing

1603
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 6: my song like they didn't because they not singing I

1604
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 6: used to love her. They not singing retrospect for life.

1605
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 6: They probably didn't know who I was. So it just

1606
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,879
Speaker 6: moved me to see that, and yeah, I was grateful.

1607
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 6: Man the Light To this day, DJ Dummy said to me, Man,

1608
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 6: do you know the Light is like eighteen years old? Now,

1609
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 6: I said, eighteen years.

1610
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 4: And what a full circle moment about that. I used

1611
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,759
Speaker 4: to love a moment too because now you are rhyming

1612
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,719
Speaker 4: about love exactly and now it's cool.

1613
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 6: And to this day, I think, you know, probably the

1614
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 6: Light is the biggest song that I've had.

1615
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean I might have, I think, I don't know,

1616
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:44,759
Speaker 1: but more than Glory.

1617
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 4: Well no, you have got my radio play, yeah yeah.

1618
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 6: But but yeah, so I mean it's a love song.

1619
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 6: So it is like full circle to be like yo,

1620
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 6: to me, the whole journey has been like man, you

1621
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 6: gotta like grow grow into who you are and know

1622
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 6: who you are at a certain point and then keep

1623
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 6: learning more and more of what you.

1624
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 4: Said a standard for yourself at that moment too, because

1625
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 4: then it was like, as we started singing light, we

1626
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 4: were like, oh, I want him to do something else for.

1627
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: Me, you know what I mean?

1628
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 4: Like so then it would come close, and then with

1629
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 4: the B albums a couple of records, but.

1630
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 6: By the time we got to Electric Circus, it was

1631
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 6: like I was telling Amya, we gotta go out there,

1632
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 6: like let's go.

1633
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: Let's go out there, and like we went out there. Well, wait,

1634
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 1: I gotta ask questions. Uh wait, one question I have.

1635
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: Do you regret giving D'Angelo Chicken Grease? No? No, you're

1636
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 1: fine with Ghetto Heaven, Ghetto Heaven. I love for those

1637
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: about that trade for those that don't know, I mean

1638
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: not the competition, but just the amount of work that

1639
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: was put on all those records. It wasn't even like, Okay,

1640
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 1: we're working on this record, work on this record. It

1641
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: was just like we make a jam and then sell

1642
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 1: to the highest bidder, like who wants you? Who wants

1643
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 1: he wants it? And we were making Chicken well, we

1644
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: were making the song that was Chicken Grease for D'Angelo,

1645
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: for Commons record and Colin is ready. He just started

1646
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: writing whatever. And then DiAngelo kind of snuck in and

1647
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 1: had the scowl on his face and like called me,

1648
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 1: called me like out in the hallway, and he's like, yo, man, yo,

1649
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: as I live. He was like, as I live and breathe, man,

1650
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 1: y'o for real on yall wy man, Yo, you can't

1651
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 1: give you can't give that nigga that funk man, Yo,

1652
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 1: bruh yo bro you know, and I know that funk

1653
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:51,600
Speaker 1: belonged to me, And I was like, yo, man, you

1654
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 1: can't just jack his song, man, Yo, man, he don't

1655
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 1: know what to do with that funk. That's my funk.

1656
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 1: And so then I see, I went, I went to you.

1657
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 1: And then I was like, wait a minute, because that

1658
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: morning D'Angelo was we were still waiting for Lauren Hill

1659
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 1: like to come and do her verse on whatever song

1660
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: they were going to do, Like they had a trade off.

1661
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 1: He did nothing, nothing even matters well her record, and

1662
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: she was supposed to do something for his. So we

1663
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: had made Ghetto Heaven that morning, uh for his record.

1664
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 1: And so then I was like, yo, the trade off,

1665
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: like y'all trade songs.

1666
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 6: And then it worked. I remember you you called me.

1667
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 6: I was the first time I was in Brazil. He

1668
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 6: was like, man, man, come on, man, get this beat

1669
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 6: to D'Angelo.

1670
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 1: And I was like yes.

1671
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 6: I was like yes because it was a funky joint

1672
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 6: that I didn't think I'd already had a funk like

1673
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 6: cold Blood. It was already and I'm not like the

1674
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 6: funk master, to be honest, So.

1675
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: So it was like, it's like I got Heaven was

1676
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: more emotion. You know.

1677
01:28:56,680 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 6: I liked the soul, jazzy blah blah blah. So it

1678
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 6: was like it was the perfect trade off for me.

1679
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 6: I was just I was excited and and it had d'

1680
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 6: angelo already singing on it, because you know, it was

1681
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:09,919
Speaker 6: gonna be tough for me to try to get D'Angelo

1682
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 6: right right, So I was like, we're good.

1683
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:19,799
Speaker 1: Wait on. It just hit me that even during that period,

1684
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 1: you were going to Cuba regularly, even before you were

1685
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 1: doing shows in there, you were you technically or you

1686
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: were the second hip hop act to performing Cuba or y.

1687
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 6: I know, I don't know what, you know, where I

1688
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 6: fall in as far as acts to perform out there,

1689
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:35,720
Speaker 6: but we you know, we would go out there with

1690
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 6: Black August, which was an organization that you know, was

1691
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 6: raising money for political prisoners, and I went out there

1692
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 6: a couple of times with them.

1693
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: Most and I went out there and.

1694
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 6: To lib and you know, it wasn't probably legal to

1695
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 6: go out there at that time or whatever, but we

1696
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 6: fly through whatever country we had to go to and

1697
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 6: get to Cuba. Cuba was one of the best places

1698
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 6: I ever went to. And along with that, you know,

1699
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 6: I just met I just felt like, I was like, man,

1700
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 6: this is a country where the people are poor economically,

1701
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 6: but some of the richest spirits I ever you know,

1702
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:16,919
Speaker 6: come across music, everything, the joy, the you know, the architecture, everything,

1703
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 6: and it became a real important part of my life.

1704
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 6: And you know, one of the reasons I even wanted

1705
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 6: to go more was because of Asida Shakur, who I

1706
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 6: read her book, and her books helped, you know. I

1707
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 6: named my daughter. My daughter's middle name is Asada because

1708
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 6: ASADA's book just changed me. And when I would go

1709
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 6: to Cuba, I got to connect with Asada and you

1710
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 6: know what was she like. She was like really up

1711
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 6: on a lot of things that you wouldn't think she

1712
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 6: was up on. That was the stage for me where

1713
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 6: I really understood you could be revolutionary and conscious and

1714
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 6: still be fun because you know, when you first started

1715
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 6: getting into consciousness, you think like you got.

1716
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 1: To stay super serious like brother exactly. So, but she was,

1717
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, we would have drinks, have fun.

1718
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 6: She started freestyling with me one time, and she was like, yeah,

1719
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 6: I first got up on you since I used to

1720
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 6: love Ah, I love the roots.

1721
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 1: I loved it. I was like, yo, you up on

1722
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:15,640
Speaker 1: all this?

1723
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 6: Just the woman that's like it was in a shootout

1724
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 6: with the state troopers and got shot and fought foot

1725
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 6: and you've been fighting and you were in exile in

1726
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 6: Cuba and they after you, and you still like enjoying life,

1727
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 6: having fun up on what it was. It was life

1728
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 6: enhancing for me to get to experience that with her.

1729
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 6: And it was crazy, man, Because fast forward. I'm just

1730
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 6: getting off the subject a little bit. But I just

1731
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,719
Speaker 6: recently was doing a film where I was these FBI

1732
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 6: agents were I played the detective and FBI agents was

1733
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 6: involved in it. It's not out here, it's called three seconds,

1734
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 6: it'll be coming out. But I was sitting with this

1735
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 6: lady that was the FBI, like one of the top

1736
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 6: FBI people. I was just like so, man, who was

1737
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 6: on your most wanted list? And then she was like,

1738
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 6: maybe you never heard this woman, joe Ane Chesamart. I said, still, still,

1739
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 6: I said, what, that's where y'all going. That's one of

1740
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 6: the top people that you gonna name me that America

1741
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 6: is after to me. But I mean, even not even

1742
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 6: knowing my history, but the fact that that she is

1743
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,640
Speaker 6: at one of the people that they put on the

1744
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 6: top of the list of most wanted with all this

1745
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 6: going on in the world, like she's a threat to

1746
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 6: American freedom. How old is She's got to be in

1747
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 6: a sixties, like sixty something. Anyway, Man, it was Cuba.

1748
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 6: All that experience was incredible. It was the first time

1749
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 6: I ever had to write. I had to write down

1750
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 6: my lyrics because they was like they wanted to make

1751
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 6: sure I wasn't saying no anti common and stuff like

1752
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 6: they was like, and I had to like straight write

1753
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 6: down the songs.

1754
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 1: You still love her, write it down and be like really, yeah,

1755
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 1: oh before you performed there, before you performed damn, damn,

1756
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that. So electric circus. Now he's

1757
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,799
Speaker 1: sixteen years down the line, we can celebrate and say,

1758
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, man, it was so ahead of his time.

1759
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 1: But that was such a dangerous record and I felt,

1760
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I stand by it even when we turned

1761
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 1: it in and you know, we got to work with

1762
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: prints on that record and stuff. First of all, just

1763
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 1: talk about Prince, like you hung out with him a lot.

1764
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 1: You got him to play on your record, which yeah,

1765
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 1: so it's what was it like like just hanging with him?

1766
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: And how'd you avoid all those religious talks? And wait

1767
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: a minute, I forgot you didn't.

1768
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 6: I didn't avoid Like okay, the first my first encounter

1769
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:56,560
Speaker 6: with Prince was like when the light was out and

1770
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:01,520
Speaker 6: he was We were at the Riviera in in Chicago

1771
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 6: and he came up to me like it was like, man,

1772
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 6: I love the light and it's He was like, it's

1773
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 6: crazy that you know that song still sounds so for

1774
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 6: and it's in D major and I was like, oh, yeah,

1775
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 6: I know, you know, don't please don't test so so

1776
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 6: we we you know. He saw me kind of just

1777
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 6: brush over that and was like this, thanks anyway.

1778
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: Damn he is right analy head.

1779
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah yeah, so and every time I play with musicians,

1780
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 6: if I'd be like, yo, it's in D major, you know,

1781
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 6: but anyway, Yeah, so he was like we you know,

1782
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,600
Speaker 6: we actually got to do a show for his birthday

1783
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 6: at at Paisley Park, and of course we got to

1784
01:34:58,040 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 6: we were sitting down talking they had to curse. But

1785
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 6: in the in the in the room, he was talking

1786
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 6: about spirituality. The doves were in. The doves were right

1787
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 6: in one of the rooms. As you know, when we

1788
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 6: eventually went to Paisley Park as a basketball court, everything

1789
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 6: Dave Chappelle described as Charlie, Charlie Murphy, God bless her

1790
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 6: soul was in that house, in that place.

1791
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: So we did the show.

1792
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 6: We opened it was me Erica and the time during

1793
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 6: his birthday party, and from that point we kind of

1794
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 6: built a good rapport and you know, we was, like

1795
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 6: I said, he said that you can come back and

1796
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 6: record at Paisley Park, So we took everybody, Steve, Steve

1797
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:40,719
Speaker 6: came out there. We all we went to Paisley Park

1798
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 6: and worked on some of electric circuits, which was for

1799
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 6: all of us. Just like I don't know if y'all remember,

1800
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 6: but his father was playing piano.

1801
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: So his father, princess father, John Nelson, he came to

1802
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 1: visit and it's just playing piano. I just remember that.

1803
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 1: Even I had shrimp and I was told Prince wouldn't

1804
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 1: allow any meat or animal products inside the the you

1805
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,720
Speaker 1: know the building, and I was like, you know, it's

1806
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 1: like tim below zero outside, like I'm supposed to go

1807
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 1: outside neath this, And I remember them saying that he

1808
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 1: made Magic Johnson outside need a filet of fish and

1809
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 1: it was like twenty below So I defiantly snuck those

1810
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 1: shrimps under my tom time. And I remember, like all

1811
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 1: my demos were named after meat, like that's where I

1812
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 1: ate shrimp and studio behind like all my titles for

1813
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 1: your demos were like hcakes, Yeah, named after foods that

1814
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: I snuck in the Paisley Park because he didn't improve it.

1815
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 4: But I want the Jimmy rock star question. I know

1816
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,640
Speaker 4: about the session. Okay, I'm sorry, I'm really excited as

1817
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:54,760
Speaker 4: you were talking about Paisley Park.

1818
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm not going to use my own platform to disassociate

1819
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 1: the perception that I was behind the wheel of this

1820
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 1: entire album, least for the the radical movement of it. Okay, No,

1821
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 1: I think we definitely got some phone calls from some

1822
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 1: of your friends. Well I know that I know that

1823
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 1: No Idea was concerned.

1824
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 4: Oh, they must have been flipping out the Chicago homies.

1825
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 1: Like what doing. But it was just like, what's weird

1826
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 1: is that Jimmy was a rock star? Dyla was. Dyla

1827
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 1: brought all these silver Apple records, all of these like

1828
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 1: these prog these crazy prog rock albums, gentle giant silver

1829
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 1: apples like giant. Yeah, like just stuff that we never

1830
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 1: heard before, and like we would just sit and listen

1831
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 1: to them. It was like a seance almost. He just sit,

1832
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 1: We sit in the room, look at the turntable and

1833
01:37:56,280 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 1: then whatever. We just listened to. We let a process

1834
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 1: for ten minutes and then we just run in the

1835
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 1: studio and I remember maybe four minutes into making Jimmy

1836
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 1: was a rock Star and even though I was playing

1837
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:13,799
Speaker 1: it and I don't know if you guys are familiar,

1838
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 1: but it's a very just a radical rock, electric rock

1839
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 1: song about the life of Jimmy Hendrick and said, I

1840
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, man, I'm gonna go down for this record. Man.

1841
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I enjoyed it, but I was just like, yo, man,

1842
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna blame me for this record. Man, it's gonna

1843
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 1: be my fault. Well, we don't do that. Oh we're yes,

1844
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 1: we're live. But you know, I will say that. I

1845
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 1: will say that in retrospect that album needed a good

1846
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:51,759
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years to grow on the people, because

1847
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: now it feel as though that was definitely the beginning

1848
01:38:54,200 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 1: of the kind of alternative area. That group's like the

1849
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 1: Internet and and I mean j Davey even like their

1850
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: their early stuff and and just a lot of the

1851
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 1: electronica hip hop movement. That's that's Kate Tranona, like that's

1852
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:14,639
Speaker 1: happening now.

1853
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:18,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think you know I can remember not

1854
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 6: only like, first of all the sessions with Jimmy was

1855
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 6: a rock star. I am music that all those are

1856
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 6: made in one session. I had you Pinot Deyla and

1857
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 6: and James Poys are.

1858
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 1: All stereo lab. I forgot we had stereo.

1859
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:35,639
Speaker 6: Lab on that like two so we were I mean,

1860
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 6: Electric Circus was a result of me being like, man,

1861
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 6: I gotta keep growing, I gotta keep it. I felt

1862
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 6: like I hit a ceiling of and I wanted to

1863
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,000
Speaker 6: go high it, like I wanted to knock off the

1864
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:52,000
Speaker 6: ceiling and be like, man, hip hop has no ceiling.

1865
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 6: And because I was listening to Jimmy Hendricks and listening

1866
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 6: to stereo.

1867
01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 1: Labs, don't listen to a lot of Pink Floyd. Pink Floyd.

1868
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 1: What was up that, like you and Erica just went

1869
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 1: through this pink Floyd face.

1870
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 6: I just loved Pink Floyd. I wasn't like. I can

1871
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 6: remember being young and my and my cousin wanted up.

1872
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 6: He would play me Jimmy Hendricks and the Pink Floyd's stuff,

1873
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 6: and I wasn't really into it. I was like, man,

1874
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 6: this is cool, and it didn't hit me. But for

1875
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 6: some reason at that point I got to appreciate it.

1876
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 6: It's funny how things. And I was listening to you know,

1877
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 6: obviously The Wall, but I was listening to Dark Side

1878
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 6: of the Moon. That's what I was really and and

1879
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 6: then you know, also listening to Radiohead. Not just only

1880
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 6: older rock, but just for me, Like I said, discovering

1881
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 6: new music was always opening me up as a as

1882
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 6: a hip hop artist. So when Jimmy was a rock

1883
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 6: star was made, I couldn't really wrap on that beat

1884
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:46,720
Speaker 6: and I'm not a singer, but I just went and

1885
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 6: approached it. I remember not I say, I don't smoke weed,

1886
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:52,640
Speaker 6: but I remember going smoking with smoking you admit it,

1887
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:55,559
Speaker 6: going in there and just being like because I had

1888
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 6: to be courageous enough to just just be out there

1889
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 6: and be singing with Erica, and Erico would be like,

1890
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:05,839
Speaker 6: you know, she would be like she was be supportive,

1891
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 6: like you could do it, you could do it, and

1892
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 6: then just yeah, that's it right there, and it was

1893
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 6: just it was it was like a stress, but then

1894
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 6: it became like fun in a way, just to even

1895
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:18,599
Speaker 6: explore that. And it's funny you talk about Electric Circus

1896
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 6: because when I first played it for one of my

1897
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 6: good friends, it was two thousand and two when we

1898
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:24,960
Speaker 6: released it, he was like, man, this album need to

1899
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 6: come out in twenty twelve. Man, what are you doing?

1900
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 6: It's too I was like, He's like, this is too

1901
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 6: ahead of his time. You're doing too much. And you know,

1902
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 6: some people felt that way. But now, like as you said,

1903
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 6: even with the re release of it, I felt like

1904
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 6: I felt proud. Even then I didn't feel like because

1905
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 6: somebody was just talking to me like, man, they had

1906
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 6: wrote you off at that time.

1907
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 4: They was like we divided the common fans. That's what

1908
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,679
Speaker 4: it did. Yeah, yeah, because Niggas was like we lost

1909
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:52,719
Speaker 4: them Earth.

1910
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 1: It was like we got killed. Yeah.

1911
01:41:57,479 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 6: But I mean, but how you feel it? Did you

1912
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:02,679
Speaker 6: feel at the time, dude.

1913
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 1: It's still The thing is just in general, if I

1914
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 1: love something a lot that I know that not saying

1915
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:12,599
Speaker 1: it's not good, but it probably won't hit with the

1916
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 1: rest of Like my personal tastes are the opposite of

1917
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:20,679
Speaker 1: what I feel regular mainstream society is into or not into.

1918
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:23,920
Speaker 6: I want to ask Steve, because Steve, you was there

1919
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:26,000
Speaker 6: for what did you what did you think when we

1920
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 6: was doing it?

1921
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 1: Was you like, this ship is too crazy?

1922
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 7: You need this well for the for the technical side

1923
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:38,639
Speaker 7: of things, It's it's funny how it went down actually,

1924
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:41,680
Speaker 7: because we were in the middle of converting, like we

1925
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 7: were turning over from from reels from from tape to

1926
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:49,120
Speaker 7: start to use pro tools more and so on electric

1927
01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 7: circus that that's literally when the turnover was so we

1928
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 7: were using tapes and pro tools and we were sending

1929
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 7: out tapes to people, and then other people wanted files

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Speaker 7: and they were sending back files and sending back so

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Speaker 7: we're using both formats at the time, and so we

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Speaker 7: were sort of busy with that and we were high,

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Speaker 7: so we're.

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Speaker 1: Not really paying attention to the creative side, right, But

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Speaker 1: Steve like, wait, y'all did we did Wait, here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: This show format was supposed to be ninety minutes and

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Speaker 1: we went to two hours. It would I would get

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Speaker 1: murdered if I don't mention working with Kanye West on

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Speaker 1: the B record, So I'm sorry we didn't get to

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Speaker 1: his acting career and in part two, but Obama, at

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Speaker 1: least with at least with B. How did you feel

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Speaker 1: having a new lease on life?

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Speaker 6: It felt, It felt invigorating. I felt like I really

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Speaker 6: loved and this sounds crazy, I love the the challenges

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Speaker 6: I was getting from Electric Circus.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, meaning like oh man, you done and being underestimated.

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Speaker 1: I loved. That's a good feeling because that motivated you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it motivated me for real.

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Speaker 6: And and at the same choke, and I'd been like

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Speaker 6: opening myself up to acting, which was like studying it,

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Speaker 6: and that was opening me up to a certain degree

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Speaker 6: just as far as creativity. And then it was like

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Speaker 6: almost was starting. I look at it career and think

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Speaker 6: of it like a cycle, and I kind of was

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Speaker 6: starting at it on a new cycle at that point,

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Speaker 6: and like a new cipher was starting even and not

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Speaker 6: that I was going down and like it it's not

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Speaker 6: like just on one level, it's actually vertical like the cycles.

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Speaker 6: So it was like, Okay, this is a new cycle

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Speaker 6: that's starting, and I just felt the hunger of a

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Speaker 6: new MC, like like man, I remember Kanye gave me

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Speaker 6: get Him High because he had been telling me I

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Speaker 6: want you on this song or maybe this song. I

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Speaker 6: was like, all right, just let me know, and then

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Speaker 6: he gave me get Him High, and I was like, man,

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Speaker 6: I'm about to tear this ship up, like I'm about

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Speaker 6: to let them know what it is. This this is

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Speaker 6: one of them opportunities. And from that point, Yay Yay

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Speaker 6: was making a beat. He was in the studio session

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Speaker 6: for Eve and we both were in LA and he

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Speaker 6: said come by the studio and I came by and

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Speaker 6: he was playing to beat the food and it was like, man,

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Speaker 6: I'm just making beats and he was like, yo, you

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Speaker 6: want this and he just gave me that beat and

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Speaker 6: I went and rolled in my car and wrote that

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Speaker 6: and that was the start of us being like, man,

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Speaker 6: we about to just start working on this album project.

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Speaker 1: I told him.

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Speaker 6: I remember calling him saying, man, I'll be on your

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Speaker 6: label and then he was like man, you sure that.

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Speaker 6: He's like that's incredible. So I was just on his label,

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Speaker 6: and what that process started was us going. I would

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Speaker 6: go buy records, CDs and I would listen to as

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Speaker 6: many CDs, all the stuff like from all I learned

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Speaker 6: from Dyla, from no I d from the beat Nuts,

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Speaker 6: from you all whatever records, like names, records I knew

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Speaker 6: in I would buy blindly, just records. I would listen

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Speaker 6: to him, put the best records in front of YA.

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Speaker 6: He would listen to him, mark the ones he liked.

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Speaker 6: If it's something that sparked, he would put all these

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Speaker 6: samples into his simpler and then whatever he got motivated,

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Speaker 6: he just started cooking up. And it was like for me,

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Speaker 6: the jolt and the renewing was like, Okay, I'm working

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Speaker 6: with ya who was around when No Idea and I

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Speaker 6: was doing one day, that makes all makes sense. And

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Speaker 6: he comes from you know, is from Chicago, and we

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Speaker 6: already knew each other, but now we never worked.

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Speaker 1: At this level.

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Speaker 6: And he's like even like more like confident and just

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Speaker 6: he not even just more confident, he's just more culture

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Speaker 6: because he was confident then he was confident beyond his

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Speaker 6: level at that point, but that confidence caught up with

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Speaker 6: his ability and he was and he just was really

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Speaker 6: a producer. He started being like, nah, rash rewrite this verse,

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Speaker 6: or man, this is what this hook is gonna go like,

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Speaker 6: And so it was really good like combination because we

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Speaker 6: both was hungry and we felt He wrote about it

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Speaker 6: in one of this this some table book he had.

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Speaker 6: It's kind of was the meeting of like what I've

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Speaker 6: done and have built, what we've done and built in

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Speaker 6: hip hop, combining with where he was in his career.

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Speaker 6: It was like the perfect like combination of and we

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Speaker 6: both just love like with Yay, I can still reference

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Speaker 6: a trial call quest or he would reference a trial

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Speaker 6: call quest or or some brand new beings, but he

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Speaker 6: still also listened to some of the stuff that I

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Speaker 6: didn't listen to, which was, you know, like some of

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Speaker 6: the more commercial hip hop. Or he would be like, man,

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Speaker 6: Mace is one of my favorite rappers. And I'd be like, really,

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Speaker 6: but ill due respect to Mace now because I know him,

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Speaker 6: and you know, when I listened back, I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: that's what you you know. But ultimately we had different

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Speaker 6: tastes in certain areas, but it just was a man,

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Speaker 6: it was an incredible energy. Yeah that and just great

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Speaker 6: songmaking and vision and like that passion. I remember specifically

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Speaker 6: being like, Yay used to do listening sessions. You know

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Speaker 6: how we used to do listening sessions for journalists, and

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Speaker 6: Yay would like jump up on the table and be

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Speaker 6: rapping his songs and fit people. Yeah, you'd be like

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Speaker 6: not spitting on purpose, but just you know, just passionately

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Speaker 6: doing this thing. And I was like, damn, you know

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Speaker 6: that ain't necessarily what I need to do jump up

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Speaker 6: on the table, but it kind of made me, I mean,

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Speaker 6: I needed to do it my way, like being confident

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Speaker 6: in what I was, what I was presenting, if I

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Speaker 6: really believed in it that way instead of just being

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Speaker 6: like kind of like just check it out, humble you

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Speaker 6: like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 6: So it was a lot of things I learned doing

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Speaker 6: that process for him. But creatively, you know, he definitely

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Speaker 6: is one of the best man to me, It's like

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Speaker 6: he knows how to push the envelope. But and he

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Speaker 6: has a knack for making He's rooted in hip hop

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Speaker 6: and soul music, but he still has something that he's

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Speaker 6: The stuff he chooses ends up being like really catchy

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Speaker 6: stuff that can reach new audiences.

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Speaker 1: So but it's rooted and soul. So thank you Rob,

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Speaker 1: thank you for doing the show. Thank you, thank you'

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Speaker 1: all for having me.

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Speaker 6: This has been an incredible Thanks Steve Layah Deal, thank

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Speaker 6: you comparable a miya.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, we'd like to thank our audience for

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Speaker 1: for joining us and hopefully we'll do a feature live

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Speaker 1: broadcast of course, Love Supreme enjoy it. Thank you very much,

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