1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vanderkam. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode eighty five. Sarah and 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: I have a very special guest joining us tonight who 12 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: goes by the name of Josh Unger. He is our 13 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: first male guest, but we thought it would be appropriate 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: to start with him, and he's also possibly more game 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: than my husband is, so we're thanks to your husband 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: hears this, he's going to be like, Josh is being 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: a very good sport to do this, So we're grateful 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: to him. But I thought we'd go ahead and dive 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: right in, since you know, I feel like our listeners 20 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: may already know you to some degree. But Josh, why 21 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: don't you go ahead and introduce yourself. My name is 22 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: Josh Younger. And how many years ago did we get married? 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: Years ago? Well, that's not a scripture of you, but 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,279 Speaker 1: we've got married in two thousand and six. Yeah, yeah, 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: so it's coming up on. Yeah, we do our math here. 26 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: And how long were you guys together before that? We 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: met the first day of medical school in two thousand 28 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: and two and then we got married in two thousand 29 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: and six. Yeah, so how did you first see Sarah? 30 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: Did you like spot her in line? And like this 31 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: isn't you know? It's actually slightly This is a funny 32 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: story because Sarah, I think she might have mentioned this 33 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: in one of the earlier episodes, is very good at 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: remembering everybody's names. She's very good at remembering directions and 35 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: names of the streets. She's very good at remembering obscure 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: pharmacology facts. But it's not very good at recognizing people's faces. 37 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: We first met, and you know, I will admit that 38 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: it was like one of these weekends where everybody's checking 39 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: out the medical school to see if they want to 40 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: go to medical school there, and you're meeting all the 41 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: other potential people, and I met Sarah in a group 42 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: of people, and I don't remember what we were talking about. 43 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: I do remember that her college is Williams College, and 44 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: I messed up where it was or something, because it's 45 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, I knew it was small lettle Ar at school, 46 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: but I didn't know the details. I think therefore followed 47 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: him in the okay to forget Yes, she turned around 48 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: and started talking to some other guy who did not 49 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: make obscure comments about william That going for him. Yeah. 50 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: And then I remember seeing her later that day, you know, 51 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: at some one of the functions, and I was like 52 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: waving hello, and she just walked right by, and I said, Okay, 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: that's very interesting. But then when we started medical school, 54 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: we were on there was like this weekend before classes 55 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: started where you got to know your classmates, and we 56 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: were on the same bus going out to h Mount 57 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: Mitchell smoking, yeah, smoking Mountain Park in North Carolina, and 58 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: we were talking on the boat on the bus, you know, 59 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: not you know, it wasn't like we were knew instantly 60 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: we're going to live forever together at that point, but 61 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: we were, you know, we're friends. And then we were 62 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: on the trip. And so you could do you could 63 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: sign up for one activity on the trip like it 64 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: was a Saturday or something like that, and so you know, 65 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: everybody wanted to do whitewater rafting and some people went 66 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: horseback riding, but I put on my list whitewater rafting, hiking, 67 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: and then Sarah, I think, put hiking on her list, 68 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: and so we ended up being on the same hike 69 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: because everybody wanted to do whitewater rafting, but then they 70 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: assigned some people to do hiking, so we ended up 71 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: on the hike together. We had a good time. I 72 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: remember talking about that, and then I remember we got 73 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: to the We climbed up Mount Mitchell, which is the 74 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: tallest mountain east of the Mississippi River, which sounds like 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: a good like it sounds cool to do on your 76 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: orientation to med school, except everybody was so out of shape. 77 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: All were fifteen minutes into it. We look over at 78 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: each other and everybody and everybody's like pouring with sweat, 79 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: and I stort of thought like, oh, this might be 80 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: a bad idea. So we got to the top, We're 81 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: so tired, so hungry, and uh and Sarah we packed 82 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch, and Sarah, 83 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: I remember Sarah gave me saw how hungry I was 84 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: generous something like that. That's when we met the first 85 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: you know. But then we started dating. We didn't do 86 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: very well in the first test. No, maybe three we 87 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: after we started. We started dating. Two weeks after the 88 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: classes started starting to date. We went on our first date. Yeah, 89 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: that's very It's like Labor Day, Labor Day, the first day, 90 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: something less strenuous than than climbing Mount Mitchell. He realized 91 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: that was that was not going to be the way 92 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: this should go. What was the day that we went 93 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: out Labor Day? There was no restaurants open. The only 94 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: restaurant to open was the Japanese restaurant. I like that. 95 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: That was agreed. That sounds like a place. It's like 96 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: a very well organized menu. Well, while we're recording this, yeah, no, exactly, 97 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: we're doing this after their kids went to bed, so 98 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: we've we've not started early. But so, and how did 99 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: you wind up in in your particular field, because I 100 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: understand that you you had a short career prior to 101 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: going to med school correctly, right, right, Yeah, I was 102 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: a computer programmer and then the computer technical industry for 103 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: about six years, and then you know, I was in 104 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: my career. I liked it, it was great, but I 105 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 1: felt like there was something missing from my career from 106 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: like a humanitarian standpoint or something like that. And at 107 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: the same time, one of my friends was in the hospital, 108 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: so I saw what physicians and other healthcare practitioners were 109 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: doing for my friend. And you know, my dad is 110 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: a surgeon, just like I am, and I never thought 111 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: that I would consider doing the same job that he did, 112 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: just out of you know, desire to do my own 113 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: thing kind of thing. And then once I was an 114 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: adult and seeing what it was like as an outsider, 115 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, wow, this is something that people do. 116 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: I see what doctors do, they like take care of patients, 117 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: and this might be the thing that I'm missing from 118 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: my career, the humanitarian purpose. And then that led me 119 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: to think to go back to med school, which was 120 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: a long road to even get to medicool. First day 121 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: when I met Sarah, yeah, because did you have to? 122 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: Did you have to go back to school and do 123 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: like a post back like you know, pre med requirements, 124 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: And yeah I did. I mean I was working full time, 125 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: but I took some night classes and I only had 126 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: to take like four classes because he had engineering. Okay, 127 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: so you'd had the math in some of the science, 128 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: then yeah, you hadn't sat through organic chemistry the first 129 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: time though, fun fact, I actually did. I was the 130 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: only person I think it was like not a Kim 131 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: major or pre med. But I guess some of us 132 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: just do these things for fun. It was not fun. 133 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: It was not fun either, So I think I did 134 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: one semester and then did not do the second. So, 135 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: but you tell us about your particular branch of surgery 136 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: because obviously wide world, I'm a vascular surgeon, which means 137 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: operating on arteries and veins anywhere that's not the brain 138 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: and that's not the heart. So every other artery in 139 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: vein in the body we can operate on in theory 140 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: and what what biden winds up being the bulk of 141 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: your cases. Then, like, are there any common procedures that 142 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: you want to know know? I can do this because I 143 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: I just got interviewed for I just got interviewed for 144 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: something like this. So my answer is like this, from 145 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: head to toe, there's like five areas in vasco surgery. 146 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: One is carotid arteries, which is the artery that goes 147 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: to the brain. People can have strokes if they have 148 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: blocket of their Smokers have cholesterol build up, and so 149 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: we can go in and operate or put a stent 150 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: in them. Okay, not the whole commercial versions. I was curious, 151 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: it was not. That's cool, Okay, I'll go faster. Aortic 152 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: aneurysms are in the abdomen and in the chest. When 153 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: the A order, which is the main blood vessel on 154 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: the body, gets too big and I can like rupture 155 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: and bleed it people complete. So we sometimes fix that 156 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: before it happens. In theory prefar atal diseases, like patients 157 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: who have bad circulation to their feet and without fixing it, 158 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: it could actually need an amputation if they don't get 159 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: to fix So we sometimes that's a big part of 160 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: my job, is trying to save somebody's limb from from dying. 161 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: Is that is that mostly diabetic related? Then? Is that 162 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: diabetics smoking? These are the two heavy hitters. People who 163 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: are on dialysis need surgery to get hooked up to 164 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: the dialysis machine. And so that's a that's what I 165 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: made me like RAASPA. Surgery in the first place was 166 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: just sewing a vein to an artery is just something 167 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: about it was technically challenging. I feel like you're making 168 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: something like crafting a thing that wasn't there before. Yes, 169 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: serves a major, majorly helpful purpose. And these these graphs 170 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: can last for years, right, and they basically solve a 171 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: problem in these patients that otherwise, yeah, are left. But 172 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: it's it's unlike some I mean, some surgeries you do 173 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: and you're you're just done, Like appendicitis, somebody gets an appendix. 174 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: I just they have to have their appendix out. You're 175 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: like done, Okay, you see the patient and recovery, and 176 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: then you never see them again. But all the patients 177 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: in vascular surgery have a disease that doesn't go away 178 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: from a surgery, so they're always We're always seeing them 179 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: back in the office. So I have some long term 180 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: relationships with patients, which is probably kind of nice from 181 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: a job perspective of getting to know people, though kind 182 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: of sad from their perspective. I'm sure they'd probably rather 183 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: do other things than come see you nice nice as 184 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: you are. Oh yeah, I mean we're trying to make it, 185 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: I guess as nice as it can be for the office. 186 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: But I mean, once they know you, it's kind of 187 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: they're like your kids. How yeah, I think it's kind 188 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: of nice. And what was involved in your training? Then? 189 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: So you had your your medical school. What happens after 190 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: that then to go to school? Oh sorry, sorry to interrupt, 191 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: but in medical school is like four years then five 192 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: years of general surgery training, two years of vascular surgery training, 193 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: so seven years after medical school, eleven years total starting 194 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: medical school and then then I was on my own 195 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: after that? And how did that match up with How 196 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: did that matched up? Really well? Because I ended up 197 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: doing an extra year of med school because I was 198 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 1: originally MDPHD. Left that to just get a master's and 199 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: basically get out and go back to clinical. So I 200 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: spent five years in medical school, three years in pediatrics residency, 201 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: in three years in fellowship because all the pides felliships 202 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: are three years. So we both had exactly eleven years 203 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: to spend in lovely North Carolina at various institutions. So 204 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: it worked out really well. That's cool. And so you 205 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: guys moved to Florida and then Josh, you were working 206 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: at a different hospital, but you've reached it recently switched jobs. 207 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: Is is it pretty similar what you're doing it's just 208 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: in a different environment. You're back and tell her about 209 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: the life plan. The life plan? Was there a life plan? 210 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: There was a life plan that we that one time 211 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: we were in med school and we decided we're going 212 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: to get married, and I think we sat down and 213 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: when do we write that? Or it might have been resident, 214 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: So do you guys have the life plan where you 215 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: get married? Like before he asked, like that was you 216 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: know you did you sketch this out on on your 217 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: hob anichi? Sarah like, I'm curious how this is been. 218 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: It must have been after we were married. We sort 219 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: of were like sitting one day, We're like, what will 220 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: life be like once we're finished training? You know, like 221 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: what will it be like? We wrote it down? Yeah, 222 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: And it wasn't on homie because I hadn't discovered them yet. 223 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: But no, we wrote out I don't know where. We 224 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: were somewhere in the middle of all that, probably in 225 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: residency when it was like, wait a second, when are 226 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: we are we going to get done to the exact 227 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: same time? When is this end we're going to go afterwards? Okay, Sarah, 228 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: three years of this, I have five years of this 229 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: exactly what works and then we realized, oh, twenty thirteen, 230 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: like that's our magical year that we're going to move 231 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: to Florida. Everything's going to be so magic. It actually 232 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: did happen. Now that your son's like a long time ago, 233 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: but back then it seemed like an impossible future. But 234 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: we did actually like write it down. That's cute. I 235 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: don't remember the life plan as well as you do. Okay, 236 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: maybe it was my life plan all right back to you. 237 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: We don't. We don't have a life plan. There was 238 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: no life plan, but I was just picturing, like Sarah 239 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: had like the list and you know, maybe there was 240 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: an open space next to you know, get engaged, and 241 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: Josh had to come in, you know, put the check 242 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: marks that. I do think there was some suggestion at 243 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: one point I was like, well, just so you know, 244 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: you know, we do need about a year to reserve 245 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: a venue. I mean, it wasn't like it was a 246 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: question for us. It was like pretty much early on 247 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: we were like we knew it was going to happen. 248 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: It was just logistics. Just like we're in med school, 249 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: You're like working so hard and never we're always in 250 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: classes and or in the wards and stuff, and even 251 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: the year when we did research, it was still too 252 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: much going on that we didn't even think. That was 253 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: when we probably started thinking about, you know, when it 254 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: will actually happen, even though we sort of like we're 255 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 1: talking about it, it was going to happen. That's good. Yeah, well, 256 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: so I was just asking about that. You you were 257 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: working in one system and you recently moved to another. 258 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: There been any big changes with that, with your schedule 259 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: or what is your first what does your schedules look like? Yeah? 260 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: What does your schedule look like? I want to hear 261 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: how you when I first started at the I just 262 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: switched to a new hospital. The old hospital system was 263 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: about forty five minutes south and the new hospital system 264 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: is the same system that Sarah's in, and we moved. 265 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: I think there was a moving episode. Yeah, yeah, two 266 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: weeks behind on the podcast. So the change was like 267 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: this when we first started being a physician to start off, 268 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: or being a surgeon, to me at least, it was 269 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: like it was terrifying. I mean it's like, you know, 270 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: you walk into the room to do surgery and you're like, 271 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: where's the where's the attending, where's the person? Who? Where's 272 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: the surgeon? Oh? Wait, I'm the surgeon. I have to 273 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: figure this out how to do the case. And you know, 274 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: we're well trained, so we could do it. But you know, 275 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: it was it was really stressful and it was a 276 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: lot of long hours. Probably every stage in my career 277 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: was harder and harder than the year before, including the 278 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: first two or three years of being in attending. But 279 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: I was doing both general surgery and vascular surgery at 280 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: the old hospital, and it got to be a lot 281 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: because you were I was always on call for one 282 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: or the other. And I liked doing vascular surgery. I 283 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: like doing general surgery too, but it was a little 284 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: too much, and I am a special specially. I had 285 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: a specialist training, so I figured it's like at some 286 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: point I was like, well, maybe I should just stick 287 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: with a specialty as opposed to trying to be the 288 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: master all tack of. It's a little bit less common 289 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: to do both nowadays, most people kind of pick one. 290 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: So in your new job, you're going to be more 291 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: specialized than yeah, just fascal surgery. So far, it's been, uh, 292 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, busy, busier from a fast groa surgery standpoint, 293 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: and what is it? What are surgeons you know what 294 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: does the schedule generally look like? Do you consult at 295 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: a certain time and then do procedures at a different 296 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: time your week. Yeah, it's usually one and a half 297 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: to two days total of clinic per week and then 298 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: three plus days of operating spread out over half day 299 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: or full day or whatever. So I've tried different variations 300 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: of which day should be the clinic day, which day 301 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: should be a certain day, but it's all mixed up 302 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: because from week to week you're on call at different night, 303 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: so it ends up just being sort of sometimes it's 304 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: easy and sometimes it's hard. Yeah, it's confusing. Like I 305 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: when we don't discuss what he's doing each day, I 306 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: have no idea, so I usually have to ask in 307 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: the morning, like do you have to are you taking 308 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: the kids to school? Or do you have to leave 309 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: at seven fifteen or do you have a meeting like 310 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: I have. It's kind of different every day. I feel 311 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: like you leave any time from seven to like eight thirty, 312 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: depending and then you get home anytime from seven thirty 313 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: to eleven one am. I don't even know what time. 314 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: I mean, how long are your procedures generally or is 315 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: it just so wildly varying based on how complicated it 316 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: is once you go in. Yeah, wildly varying. I think 317 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: most of the cases are in the hour to two 318 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: hour range at the most. Some of the procedures. I've 319 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: done a surgery for twelve hours before. That was crazy. Yeah, 320 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: did you plan on it being twelve hours going in 321 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: or that was something that happened in the middle. Yes, 322 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: I remember one day you were like, I'm going to 323 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: do a surgery. That's like the entire day. I knew 324 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: there was going to be a really hard surgery. I 325 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: didn't think it was going to be. Don't understand how 326 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: they can just not pee for that long and not 327 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: drink anything. It's crazy. Good question, because you didn't stop 328 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: at all, Like you didn't, I don't know. I think 329 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: in that case. In that case, it was like it 330 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: was six hours of like real operating and then four 331 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: to six hours of troubleshooting what was what was not 332 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: working and ended up working at the end. I mean 333 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: it was it was really like it's a it's a 334 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: case that I present at conferences and as like a 335 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: traumatic case. Yeah, I worked for twelve hours to get 336 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: it done. Well, that's good. Good it turned out in 337 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: the end. It was a bathroom break. During the troubleshot, 338 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: I went running from one place at the hospital to 339 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: another place to get equipment, and I did take a break. See. 340 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: I was wondering that because you know, as my blog 341 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: readers know, I recently got back from Disney and at 342 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: Animal Kingdom, the Avatar flight of passage line hit three 343 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: hundred and forty five minutes, and I was like, I 344 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: cannot ponder like getting in that line and not being 345 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: able to use the bathroom, like the entirety. Maybe if 346 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: it's long enough they have bathrooms along the way. They don't. 347 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: There's no restroom facilities on it. I didn't hear three 348 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: hundred and forty five minutes, so almost sixty hours. But 349 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: I thought Disney inflated their times by like twenty percent. Yeah, 350 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: but still that's like three hundred hours, three hundred minutes. Yeah. Yeah, Well, 351 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: you know, life of a surgeon, I guess you got 352 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: to go EI. There's like a routine, like you get 353 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: the patient ready, go to the bathroom, come back to 354 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: the case, come back to the case for the end, 355 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: and then by the end of the case, you're like, 356 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: then you start paying attention to what else is going on. Yeah, yeah, 357 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: so it's like so intense. Even if you're relaxed in 358 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: a case, you're still focused. Of course, these are focused. 359 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: I mean somebody's you know, open in front of you. 360 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: That's probably a good, good thing. Well, what would I mean, 361 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: what would be your ideal schedule? Though, I mean there's 362 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: certain realities of surgery, but if if you were going 363 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: to have this sort of ideally set up, what would 364 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,479 Speaker 1: you what would good question? Yeah, hard to say. Well, 365 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: I'll say this, we didn't really talk about family as 366 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: part of the schedule I started the first two or 367 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: three years when I was working, I was just trying 368 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: to make it through all the challenges of being a 369 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: new attending and that meant, you know, getting to work 370 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: very early and staying late. And it was really I remember, 371 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: was that on the weekends we I had a lot 372 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: more responsibilities with the kids, whereas in the morning and 373 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: the evening it was more Sarah doing it. In the 374 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: first couple of years. And although I remember at the beginning, 375 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: I was trying to drive Annabel to the daycare when 376 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: we first started, you know, I tried to drive Fellowship 377 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: and when we were first when we first started, in 378 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: a month and it was just like a tremendous stress 379 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: for both of us because Sarah had to like get 380 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: home to pick up from daycare, and I was driving 381 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: her to Jake Care on the way to like do 382 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: a surgery, and I'll be late to go and to 383 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: start the surgery and be anxious. But then, after three 384 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: years of being you know, really intenseve with my job, 385 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: I try to focus a little bit on trying to 386 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: take the kids to school once a week. Fore, Yeah, 387 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: there was a point when, yeah, you were doing like 388 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: Monday one kid and then Friday the other kid. The 389 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: nights are a little more hit or miss. Some weeks 390 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: are great and you're able to come home, and then 391 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: other weeks are not great. It's just sort of varies. 392 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: And it used to be that I was in charge 393 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: of the mornings with the kids, and then Sarah was 394 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: in charge of the nights. But then lately I don't think. 395 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: I think with three kids, it's been hard to sort 396 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: of get them to sync up with wake up at 397 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: the same time and I can be in charge of 398 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: them while you're doing other stuff. It's been hard lately, 399 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: especially when we moved recently. Yeah, well, three kids, you know, 400 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: it's sort of harder to do one parent on and 401 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: it just winds up being like everyone's on though we 402 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: have to. I mean it's like it's if you can't 403 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: ever do one parent on and you have three kids. 404 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean it's true, if you have extra childcare then great, 405 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: but then otherwise than the other you know, we've talked 406 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: about this. It's nice to have something like this weekend, 407 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: you're going to a guitar thing for three hours, you know, 408 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: and that's fine. I'm going to take all three kids 409 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: and in exchange. Well I haven't even asked yet. Whatever 410 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: you want, whatever you want, so whatever you know. And 411 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: but the last last couple of weekends, like you were 412 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: on call and then I had to Yeah, you had 413 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: all three kids, and then you were on call again. 414 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: I had all three kids and it's fine. Well, so Josh, 415 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: we get Sarah's blog play by play and Instagram stories 416 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: when she's on in the weekend when the kids, so 417 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: we're not getting your social media stuff of like you're 418 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: when Sarah's on call. So what do you want to do? 419 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: A takeover? Yeah, well what do you do? How do 420 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: you deal with the weekend when you've you've got the kids, 421 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: Because she's on call. I try to tire them out. 422 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: That's my it's my job. That's Michael Like. Actually, I 423 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: try to take them to the pool in the morning 424 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: to really get them tired and involve some sort of 425 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: like bicycle riding or something after being in the pool. 426 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: And then when they're tired enough, Genevieve's sleeps and the 427 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: other two kids get that to watch a movie or something. Yeah, 428 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: the same thing with Sarah did. Yeah. Yeah, And I 429 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: always I try to like get out to something like 430 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: Sarah does, to some museum or something, you know, so 431 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: it's pool or swimming pool, swimming in the morning or 432 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: bicycling in the morning, and then like a thing in 433 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: the afternoon. Sometimes my calls are not quite as they're 434 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: not always like yeah, sometimes sis around for like three hours. 435 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: But I will say a couple of weeks ago, I 436 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: was like, I'm leaving for the entire days. I'm extremely busy. 437 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: You're going to handle it, and you did. That's great, Yeah, yeah, 438 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: that's great for us. So and now if you're planning 439 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: like we I know Sarah tends to be the weekend 440 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: cruise director in the the Younger household, but if you 441 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: were to plan a weekend where all five of you 442 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: were around, Like, what would it include? This is hard. 443 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: I want to listen to that. I would like to 444 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: go out for dinner one night, you know, that's one 445 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: of my things weekend we're all around. Uh, we've gotten 446 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: into kind of a groove where we're doing some of 447 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: this already, where we're like, on a Saturday night, Sarah 448 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: and I go out where the kids have a babysitter. 449 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: Friday night's the movie night for the kids, and those 450 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: things are sort of built in these days. Yeah, it's true. 451 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: I mean, like I don't I wouldn't have to think 452 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: about those think about it, but I would want, you know, 453 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: I would maybe some one of these days I come 454 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: up with like a thing like, oh, I want to 455 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: go to this thing this weekend with the kids, and 456 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: then we do it, you know. You know one of 457 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: the ideas that I had recently was I wanted to 458 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: go to like a music concert outside with the kids. 459 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: But it's never worked out with our call schedule for 460 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: when one of those things come up. But we're going 461 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: to have someday in a park. Yeah, in a park. 462 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: See you've mentioned music a couple of times, and I 463 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: know that you play the guitar. Is that is that 464 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: still happening? Yeah, that's my midlife playing picking up a 465 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: musical instrument for stress relief. It's a healthy one, it's healthy. 466 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: I could have bought a sports car, but instead I 467 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: bought a guitar guitars, which you're much less expensive than 468 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: sports car. But well, why three do they play differently somehow? 469 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: Or what's the Yeah? Oh yeah, one one's acoustic guitar, ones, 470 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: electric guitar, ones, a bass guitar. Gotcha? Gotcha? Well then 471 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: of course, yeah anymore. Although I've not really understood the 472 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,239 Speaker 1: multiple cars thing either, because it's not like you can 473 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: drive more than one car at once either. So yet 474 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: people collect like twenty if they're into that. So yes, 475 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: and are you? Are you right? Like when you do 476 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: you do exercise? I've heard from you know, a reliable 477 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: source that when you suddenly do a race, you have 478 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: like incredibly impressive times. I can be like I can 479 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: be motivated by a race, like it comes in waves, 480 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: you know people, you know. I like to trying to 481 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: extend my career by not training all the time. It's 482 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: a good injury prevention prevention technique. Yeah, Like I go 483 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: like one year, I'll run a lot, and then two 484 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: years ago by, and then I'll run a lot the 485 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: next year. That is there is some truth to that, 486 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: but he also happens to have a lot of natural 487 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: running talent, like in med school. You know, we're training 488 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: for race and he's all excited about it. I'm like, whatever, 489 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it was fun. I could tell 490 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: he was fast. We go on the trip with our 491 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: really good friends who are our good friends to this day, 492 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: and and like we're both our friend and me like 493 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: relieved the fact that he said he was watching the 494 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: race and he's like, oh my god, Josh, isn't third, 495 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: Like it was a big, big half marathon. He was 496 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: like the third one career. But he's actually really really fast, 497 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: and without training, you're like pretty fast, and then with 498 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: training your your very fast. The secret to that race 499 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: was the classes of red wine the night before that. 500 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: These are sort of ordox methods, like don't train, drink 501 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: red wine before Yeah, well okay, and then then you're 502 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: just anyway, Yeah, exactly did did you do more running 503 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: in the two months you had between between your old 504 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,959 Speaker 1: job ending and your new ones starting. I'm curious how 505 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: you use those if you were able to do much 506 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: during those two months. That was different fun goals that 507 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: were made about running bad, playing guitar, and you know 508 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: being you know, being at home, which happened all the time, 509 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: but it ended up being taken up by lots of 510 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: not fun things like cinting the house, going to Ikia, 511 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: moving boxes from one place to another. Uh. Then you know, 512 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: once we had that our house stage where we said, 513 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, we really kind of have to move 514 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: to the place where we're working and find find out 515 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: finding a house and all that stuff and then arranging 516 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: to move it. That like that was my two months, 517 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, no, that can definitely take two months 518 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,479 Speaker 1: right there. It's well, you know, best like plans. It 519 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: always sounds like, you know, yes, I'm gonna run every 520 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: day and I don't know, practice all sorts of new songs, 521 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: and then yeah, it doesn't really happen. But so what 522 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: is your I know you are a podcast listener, which 523 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: we appreciate. What's been podcast that I really listened to? 524 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: What's been one of your favorite episodes? Oh? Good question, Yeah, 525 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: let me think about it. Well I do. I would 526 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: just say I listened to it on the run A lot. 527 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: You know. I every now and then I'll hear an 528 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: episode where Sarah talks a lot about herself, not not 529 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,959 Speaker 1: not to the like where she talks more about herself 530 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: than normal. You know, like you're doing the like where 531 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: you when when Laura and Sarah talked to you, like 532 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: when you talk about things and then Sarah sort of 533 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: interjects something about herself. I was like, Wow, I didn't 534 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: know that. Usually I know everything that she's she's talking about, 535 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: but then every now and then I'll be surprised. So 536 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: I kind of like that get to episode. That was 537 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: a nice answer. You get to know your spouse better 538 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: when they start a podcast and then you're like, wait, 539 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: you never told me that I know most of the 540 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: I know most I like, no, ninety nine percent of 541 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: what she said. I like know what she's going to 542 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: say before she says it a lot of times. But 543 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: then there's a one percent of the time when I'm like, oh, 544 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: that's really cool. I didn't know that. Yeah, exactly. Well, 545 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: has I guess the one question? You know, I was 546 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: always on my mind with blogging and talking about my 547 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: life and my family's life. Has there ever been any 548 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: awkward moments for you? Like between you and Sarah, or 549 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: you and your family, or you and other people in 550 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: the world because of something she's like blogged about. No, no, 551 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: thank goodness. No, I mean there have been some co 552 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: mentors over the years. Oh yeah, that, I will say. 553 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: I guess, well, I guess we're not going to me. 554 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: We don't need any means. But like that would be 555 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: the one thing that would qualify as something that made 556 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: me uncomfortable in terms of like day to day life. 557 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: Like sometimes yeah, no, I never met somebody randomly says, oh, 558 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: you know that one of my friends. It's actually funny. 559 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: My college roommate, his wife was listening to the podcast 560 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: and realized that it was my Sarah who was in 561 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: the podcast, and then reconnected with a second I think 562 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: I know that situation, and then emailed me. It's like, 563 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, Tracy loves it, you know, loves the podcast. 564 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: And so then I got back in touch with my 565 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: college roommates, so that, I mean, we were always in touch, 566 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: but like and you know, got as new ast email 567 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah, well that's really cool. Yeah, I 568 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: will say, said to answer your question, though, there there 569 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: were some times where like somebody would pick on me 570 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: on Sarah. You could tell they're like inserting their own 571 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: issues and making assumptions where I'm and a lot of 572 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: times I do feel compelled to be like, well, actually, 573 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: what you just said is like not accurate, and that's 574 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: aw that that can be. I guess like it might 575 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: have been somebody who had a had relationship with somebody 576 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: who was a surgeon or a doctor, and then it 577 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: was like projecting all these things onto onto me, and 578 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what to say anyway, We're 579 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: thankful for everyone who reads in comments. But that was 580 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: a yes when I felt personally attacked in my blog 581 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: in Sarah's blog comments that, which is very rare for that. 582 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: It is very it was very Actually that does make 583 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: me uncomfortable sometimes, but I'm just like, then you move on. 584 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean, once, once I composed the reply and then 585 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: didn't send it, that's the best. That's the best way 586 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 1: to do it, actually, and then okay, I don't actually 587 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: need to say yeah, well, I mean, what are you 588 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: knew somebody on the internet doesn't like you into the 589 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: world right there? So well, well this is cool. I mean, Sarah, 590 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: do you have any other questions? I mean, those were 591 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,479 Speaker 1: the questions I had to ask, so well, I mean 592 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: that's why I wanted you to do it, because I 593 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: was like, when am I going to ask? Maybe I 594 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: would have found out one percent of things that I 595 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 1: didn't know and I don't know. But yeah, no, that 596 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: was that was fun. Yeah, thank you very much. Yeah, well, Josh, 597 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: real quick, because we always do our Love of the Week. 598 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: Well that's why Sarah and I go first, because that 599 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: allows us to give our guests time to think of something. 600 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to say that my thing because we're recording 601 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: this in mid February and we just got the call 602 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: from the school district about school being closed tomorrow. But 603 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: I am really really grateful I've used this one before. 604 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure that they don't call at six am anymore, 605 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: Like yeah that I that they now text and email 606 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: and that's great. And I think I've said that the 607 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: last week as well. But it's my love of the 608 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: week this week too, Like it's bad enough to have 609 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: the snow day, but if you're going to have one, like, 610 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: may you not be called at six am to like 611 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: be learning about it? So there we go, Sarah, my 612 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: love of we I am reading Bad Blood by John 613 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: Oh I read that too. Yeah, oh my gosh, I 614 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: love it. I think it's super It's like a perfect blend. 615 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: It's true, but it's also very juicy. It's got the 616 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: Silicon Valley kind of side to it. And I get 617 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: a personal satisfaction because I remember seeing like this little 618 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: ad for the company, and this was before the scandal 619 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: came out, and I was like, no way, there's no 620 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: way that's true. There's no way that's real. I called yes, 621 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: and I was right to your right. Yeah, that woman 622 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: is pretty intense, Like, oh my goodness, you read about 623 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: her and that that story mean that she my favorite 624 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: scene I think so her car window was shot out 625 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: in a drive by shooting and then she just went 626 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: to work with glass in her hair because as you do, 627 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: as one does, one does, all right, Josh, Yeah, I 628 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: got one. Okay, make fun of me. Okay, the love 629 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: of my week is my wife Sarah. In the podcast 630 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: we did think us are one item of swag. So yes, 631 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: that's true. You are. You're a super fan. Thanks super fan. 632 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: That's great. Well you can be our love of the week, 633 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: Josh ego that we could put you as one too, 634 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: So none feel bad, like no, I chose John Carry Sorry, 635 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: I'm awesome. Well you know we're glad we Josh was 636 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: willing to do this, to come on as our first 637 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: male guest and talk about his life, but this is 638 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds and we'll 639 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: be back next week with more on making work and 640 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find me 641 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the Underscore 642 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: shoe Box on Instagram, and you can find me Laura 643 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best 644 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for 645 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: more on making work and life work together.