1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey there, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: josh Joshua Clark, and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Jerry 4 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: is over there, just Jerry uh. And that's stuff you 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: should know that. She has a new sitcom out on 6 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 1: that its called Jerry. It's suddenly Jerry. Um, how you doing. 7 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm fine as well, coming too, intrude, just checking. I'm 8 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: excited about this. When I first read our article, I 9 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: was a little bit like, oh, this is a little 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: unwieldy because it's so folklore. It's just it's an amorphous. 11 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: As it turns out, it's everything. Yeah, pretty much. But 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: then you sent, um, what was that other good article from? 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: Actually we should shout that out. It was from a 14 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: I think the University of Louisiana or something like that. 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: They have a folk life folklore department, and it was basically, 16 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: we we stumbled upon some unit for teachers to teach 17 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: what folklore is, and we're like, hey, it works for us, 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: super helpful. Yeah, it was very helpful. It definitely. It 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: took a lot of this amorphous stuff that was in 20 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: our article and chipped away at the edges and give 21 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: it a little more shape, you know, agreed, So, um, 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: you did kind of hit it on the head. It's 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: it's kind of like, um, nailing jelly to the wall, 24 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: defining what folklore is, because it is so much stuff 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: that phrases folklore. If if it isn't just me saying it, 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: if I share it and now other people say it, 27 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: it could become stuff you should know folklore oral oral folklore? 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: Did you make that up? It was? I think I've 29 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: heard it before, So that's folklore. Yeah, I guess, so 30 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: it's a it's a variation though of Um, what else 31 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: did I hear? Oh? Yeah, we were talking about the 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: the nuclear fusion reactor where they were saying that keeping 33 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: plasma contained is kind of like trying to hold jelly 34 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: in a bunch of rubber bands. That's a nerd science folklore. 35 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: That's what inspired made us say nailing jelly to the wall. 36 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: I like that. It seems like it really sums it up. 37 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: So folklore. Yeah. I found this other definition I thought 38 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: was pretty good, which is uh, traditional art, literature, knowledge 39 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: and practice that is disseminated largely through oral communication and 40 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: behavioral example. Uh. And then this was the key for me. 41 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: Things that people traditionally believe do no make and say. 42 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: In other words, everything, Yeah, I mean, you're right, everything 43 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: that that's That's about as good a definition as you're 44 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: gonna find. One of the problems with studying folklore is 45 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: that there are so many definitions out there. Apparently folklorists, 46 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: who are people who study folklore, UM. I don't like 47 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: to be too judge. It's kind of part and parcel 48 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: with their um their field of study. You don't judge stuff, 49 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: you just collect information. The problem is is that they've 50 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: also just kind of collected definitions for folklore along the way, 51 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: and there isn't one set definition that's accepted by everybody. Yeah, 52 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: a folklore collected stuff. I was like, that's stupid. It 53 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't be it would be a good Why are you 54 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: guys doing that? That's a good TV show? The bad 55 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: folk folklore? And I might say folk here and there 56 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: because I mispronounced that word often and how are you 57 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: saying it? Well, a lot of times I'll say the 58 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: l In fact, up until about a year ago when 59 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: someone wrote it in was a stupid It's pronounced folke 60 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: like f o k folk and not folk. But the 61 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: weird thing is is like I hear the l missing 62 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: when I hear folk weird. That's some sort of like 63 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: I don't hear f o k e. Like it's clear 64 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: to me that there's a fo l k in there. 65 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: You hear the silence. It's a great word. Oh okay, 66 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: it's beautiful. It is beautiful. Um. And another thing too 67 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: that we should point out that folklore is love to 68 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: point out is that, um, it is not and should 69 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: not be associated with being backward or old timey or uneducated. 70 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: Like I think a lot of people have that connotation 71 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: in their heads that folklore is like the hillbilly on 72 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: the porch, you know, when their homespun wisdoms, and it 73 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: can be that, but it's it's it's not that at all. 74 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: Like it's not just that, right. Um. A really good 75 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: example that contradicts that is, um Snopes. Snopes dot com 76 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: is basically a clearinghouse of modern folklore. I never really 77 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: thought about that, you know, Um, the Nigerian prince scam. 78 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: That's folklore. Yeah, it sure is. Emoticons even are considered 79 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: now a form of um verbal communication verbal folklore. Yeah, 80 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: And like you said, it's everything and the reason it's 81 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: everything is because um it comes out of groups. Like 82 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: if I just have a habit, you know where Um, 83 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: I keep a rubber band twisted around my finger until 84 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: it turns purple, and then I'll take it off for 85 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: half an hour and then do it again. This is 86 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: just some weird habit that's not folklore. Folklore is something 87 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: that's shared between a group. Yeah, and uh, those groups 88 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: can be like almost anything the I think them. That 89 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: great article you sent and it says neighborhoods, communities, and regions, 90 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: but also religious groups, families, occupations, gender like pretty much 91 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: any grouping, enthusiast, hobbyists, anything you can think of that 92 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: you can group more than two people together. It can 93 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: be a folk group exactly. You can have like a 94 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: Catholic dockyard worker who is also a member of an 95 00:05:54,120 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: RC playing club, who also is a member of a 96 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: book club at the local library. Right, So that one 97 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: person is going to be a member of all those 98 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: different folk groups, and all those folk groups are gonna 99 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: have their own folklore. True. But uh, that's yeah, you're right. 100 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: That's another good thing to point out is you're not 101 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: just in one group. You have you spanned many, many groups, 102 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: and for instance, I have family folklore. Uh, we have 103 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: probably occupational folklore, you know, the old podcaster folklore for 104 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: us and our colleagues. Uh, and my gender and my 105 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: age and uh religious affiliation growing up, like, we all 106 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: have many many groups in subgroups that we fall into, right, 107 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: and we get our information from that. Yeah. One of 108 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: the things that I think has been tricky about defining 109 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: folklore is that there's not it's not obvious necessarily what 110 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: folklore is for. Yeah, not at first blush, but if 111 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: you go and read some of the people who study it. Um. 112 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: The idea of folklore is that one of the main 113 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: things it does is it reinforces membership in a group. 114 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: It makes you feel special for being part of that group, 115 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: an insider um. And then it also um reinforces the 116 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: norms of that group. Like folklore is based on basically norms, customs, traditions, 117 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: things that the members of the group have said, this 118 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: is what you know, we identify with. Yeah, and not 119 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: always too um, As that teaching site points out, not 120 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: always reinforcing those norms, sometimes overturning those norms. Yeah. Like 121 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: a good way to overturn the norm is to take 122 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: an existing norm and turn it on its ear because 123 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: it makes it really approachable to the other people in 124 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: your folk group. They understand what you're doing very clearly, 125 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: and it gives them a different perspective. Or using the 126 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: traditional channels. Yeah, like uh. I think one example I 127 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: saw somewhere was taking a traditional folk song maybe and 128 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: adding verses to it to spend its meaning to the opposite, 129 00:07:54,480 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: perhaps like Bob Dylan he's famous for stealing things. Or 130 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: Jimmy Page. Uh oh, yeah. Have you heard that song 131 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: the Zeppelin or the Yes Stairway to Heaven lawsuit? No, no, 132 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: who whose song was it? Originally? I can't remember the name. 133 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not news. It's been around for 134 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: a while, but um yeah, I mean they've been sued. Uh. 135 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: It was a group that opened up for for Zeppelin 136 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: on an early tour and supposedly played this song, and 137 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: I think Zeppelin has I haven't looked at it up lately, 138 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: but I think they have defeated the suit. But when 139 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: you hear the song, you're like, oh, that sounds a 140 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: little bit like the opening bit the Stairway to Heaven. 141 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: So it was like the musical the music. It wasn't 142 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: like any of the leader. Yeah, that that opening guitar 143 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: strumming pattern, UM was pretty darn similar. But um, as 144 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: any musician will tell you, everybody steals. There's only so 145 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: many variations of chords and picking patterns that you can do. 146 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: And uh, it's just part of the rich tradition of music. 147 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: It's the nick things, respectfully, not you know, not right 148 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: buster's I want a new drug kind of feeling. Yeah, 149 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: I mean that's when your lawsuits come up. Um, it's 150 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: not just music that there's that long tradition of stealing 151 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: um or nicking or whatever you want to euphemism. It's 152 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: literature is very much the same way. There's something like 153 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: five or ten themes and all of literature and everything 154 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: else is just basically a variation of them. And that's 155 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: one of the things that folklore, uh are folk folklorists 156 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: have learned through studying folklore, is that we humans share 157 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: what can be called basically a common imagination. That humans 158 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: across time and space, um all have a a like 159 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: a certain number of slots of looking at the world. 160 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: Certain things in the world capture the human imagination in 161 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: a similar way in all different parts of the world, 162 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: and we tend to use similar explanations for them. So 163 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: you'll have independently evolving folklore among groups who've never met before, um, 164 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: that seek to explain or have a story about something 165 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: that is just kind of out there in the environment. Yeah, 166 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: that's a good point. Um. One of the examples of 167 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: that is uh, in folklore stories are frogs and toads 168 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: can be found and all kinds of old stories and 169 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: all cultures all over the world. That I mean, it's 170 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: possible too if you're close to one another, like uh, 171 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: Korea and China may have stories to overlap one another 172 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: just through a common geographical boundary. But stuff like frogs 173 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: and toads will pop up, you know, let's say in 174 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: Europe or medieval Europe or in Asia, like places aren't 175 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: even close to one another where it's inexplicable basically, right, 176 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: and they'll share like a similar um personality or something 177 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: in the story. So like frogs and toads are commonly 178 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: thought of as shape shifting tricksters. Yeah, and I think, um, 179 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: this article points out that that's probably because they go 180 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: from tadpole to frog or toad and they change themselves physically. 181 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: So it's um, you know, the old dummies back in 182 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: the day they would just use that obvious. Obviously they 183 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: can become human too, since they go from tadpole the 184 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: frog exactly like the frog prince. And you you mentioned 185 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: also um shared regional characteristics that are most likely the 186 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: result of stories making it from one group to another, 187 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: crossing borders. But among groups that are close together and 188 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: UM that example you gave of East Asia, UM, Japan 189 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: and Korea, Thailand, China, they all have UM. They the 190 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: idea that there's a rabbit in the moon and he's 191 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: using a mortar and pestle. And what that would be 192 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: is a motif. Like all of them have the shared 193 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: idea that there's a rabbit in the moon. Right, But 194 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: then there's what are called variations of that motif. So 195 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: in Japan and Korea, the rabbits making mochi, which is 196 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: a sweet, squishy rice cake that often has like something 197 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: even sweeter injected in like red sweetness. Right. Um. In 198 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: China the rabbit is making medicine. In Thailand's husking um rice. 199 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: So you have variations on what the rabbit is doing. 200 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: But the motif is if you look up at the moon, 201 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: there's a rabbit doing something up there. Yeah, and like 202 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: we said it's most likely because of a shared border 203 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: or just because simply people moving between those countries. So 204 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: we'll talk about where folklore comes from. Friends, if you 205 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: can believe it or not. Right after this chuckers, So 206 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: we're back. We're talking folklore. We should also say folklore 207 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: is actually um a fairly recent word. It was coined 208 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: in eighteen forty six by a guy named William J. Toms. Yeah. 209 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: He was a an early and tiquarian. He was also 210 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: very interested in studying um what has now come to 211 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: be called folklore or folk life. We should point out 212 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: that's a modern term that people folklore is like even 213 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: more yeah, because folklore has this connotation that um, that 214 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: it has to do with stories, oral traditions, or even 215 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: not true things. Because you've heard like, oh, that's just folklore, 216 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: like an old lives tale. Yeah, exactly. So they've expanded 217 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: it to include or to reflect how inclusive it is 218 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: by calling it folk life. But um. William Thomas came 219 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: up with folklore, and it was originally hyphenated UM, and 220 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: he was describing these stories that he would go out 221 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: into the countryside and collect from folk like he published 222 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: a book of like English rural stories that included things 223 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: like robin Hood and Friar talk and some of the 224 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: other stories that we have become disnified over the years. 225 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: This guy originally put down for the first time on 226 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: pen and paper and became one of the early folklore. Yeah, 227 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: and didn't they call just anyone living in rural areas. 228 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: Weren't they just called folk? Which is why we sort 229 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: of associate it as like being a bumpkin today. But 230 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: I used that word all the time, in fact, on 231 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: the Facebook wall here. That's my most common way of 232 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: addressing the stuff. You should know army is hey folks. Oh, 233 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: I know, it just sounds like chummy. Yeah, very folks. Folk. 234 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: See there you go, y hey folks. Uh. So there 235 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: are a bunch of innumerable, innumerable groups really that pass 236 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: along folklore. Um, and they're called folk groups folk groups, 237 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: but we can we can group them generally, not folk 238 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: groups like Peter Paul Mary, Yeah, but folk groups. Yeah. 239 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: I think I said it with the ELG just now, 240 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: didn't I Maybe I like it. It's called the regional addiction. 241 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: People get all hung up on that stuff. You gotta 242 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: say this wrong. What's weird though, is like neither one 243 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: of us sound like Southerners. Yeah, not really, And I 244 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: mean like you were born here and you don't sound 245 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: like a Southern. Yeah, I say I have certain colloquialism, 246 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: so like, uh, have your picture made? Oh yeah, that's 247 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: sometimes I'll say, like you mash a button instead of 248 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: push a button. And there there's It's. I think people 249 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: should embrace things like that regional dialect instead of getting 250 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: all hung up on the Queen's English or the King's English. 251 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,359 Speaker 1: See right there, Yeah, that's a that's regional. I imagine 252 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: either one the prince is English. Um, it's that what 253 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: you're talking about is antithetical to globalization, chuck, Oh really sure, 254 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: look at you regionalism smarty fans. Well, I mean that's 255 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: that's counter to globalization. Globalization is turning the earth into 256 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: one large village with all these shared values and everything. 257 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: Regionalism is saying like, no, we'll just stay his pockets 258 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: of interacting groups that have our own, our own values 259 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: and traditions and customs. That I think it's on brain 260 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: because I posted something today on words that are mispronounced 261 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: a lot, and um, what what's up there? Oh? I 262 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: mean also like banal and uh dr SEUs suppose supposed 263 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: supposedly pronounced his name is so so ice. I can't 264 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: remember how he pronounced it, but it's just like common words, 265 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: you're probably mispronouncing. And the was on there And someone said, 266 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: you guys always pronounced the wrong because supposedly, yeah, exactly, 267 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: supposedly there's a rule. Not supposedly, I think there is 268 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: a rule. You mean supposedly, Well, that wasn't on there. Um, 269 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: Well that's a different that's just saying the wrong word. 270 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: But I think the you should say the when the 271 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: following noun is starts with a vowel, like the apple, 272 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: not the apple, but you could say, you could say 273 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: the test because the apple almost sounds like it's th 274 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: h apostrophe apple. Yeah, and I get it. But the 275 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: app it's just sort of a regional thing. I think 276 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: in the South you might hear more the m then 277 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: the snotty New Englander soon. I've never really paid that 278 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: much attention to that one. I haven't either, you know why, 279 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,239 Speaker 1: because we are laid back, that's right, Um, all right, 280 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: So what we're talking about, we're talking about people who 281 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: spread the groups, the folk groups. One of those folk groups, 282 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: though not Peter Paul Mary one of his children. And uh, 283 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: this is a really big one because when you think 284 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: about going back to your childhood, everything like the games 285 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: like hide and see cop scotch. Uh, this article pointed 286 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: out how you decide who's it like that is super 287 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: specific to your region. Um, but also not not just 288 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: that the differences regionally, but think about how intricate some 289 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: of the rules were some of those games, like they 290 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 1: were like really well thought out, intricate rules that no 291 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: one ever wrote down. They were just past. Yeah, you 292 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: knew it from observation, imitation orally like somebody told you. 293 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: But people no one handed you a flyer called like 294 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: kick the can and you you know, well one kid did, 295 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: but we didn't know one like that kid. You learned 296 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: the hard way not to do that. What was your 297 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: How did you decide who was it? I'm sure you 298 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: probably had a go to well. The author of this 299 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: article mentions bubble gum, bubble gum in a dish. I've 300 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: never heard that. I have heard that. Okay, I love 301 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: that one. That the images it evokes, like how many 302 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: pieces do you wish? And you go one to three, 303 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: somebody says how many they want? And then you count 304 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: out between two or three people like seven, and then 305 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 1: whatever you laying on that person? Is it right? Yeah? Uh? 306 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: Usually we did dirty dirty dish rag though, yes, I've 307 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: never heard of that one. Either your mother and my 308 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: mother were hanging out clothes. My mother socked your mother 309 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: in the nose. Never heard it. What came after that? 310 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: That's misogynistic and violent something it really was. Something else 311 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: happens after that, and then it just suddenly goes to 312 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: and you are a you dirty dirty dish rag? Do 313 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: we did? There were three that I remember very strongly. 314 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: The one potato to potato uh, engine engine number nine, Yeah, 315 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: going down Chicago Line. If the train you dump the check? 316 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: Do you want your money back? Oh? Yeah, I forgot that. 317 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: And then maybe so who maybe so wanted their money back? 318 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: Of course you want your money back. Of the train derails, 319 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: now that's the kid who just wanted to get along. 320 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: And then engine and or no no uh? Any meaning? 321 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: Is the other one? Any meani money more kitch to 322 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: talk about them though? The hollers let them go? Any renie? 323 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: Is that it? And then we also there were variations 324 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: on you know, usually counting out like I'm making my 325 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: two hands locked together. We would do like that and 326 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: and then if you when you landed on them, you 327 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: would split them into two two fists and then count 328 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: each one. So there were lots of variations. And uh, 329 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean that goes down to the neighborhood you live in, 330 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's like that specific. Yeah. We would also 331 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: just leg wrestle for domination and then that person would 332 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: choose who was it. I've never leg wrestled. It's not fun. Yeah, 333 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't even know what it is. Really, 334 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: it's exactly what it sounds like. I mean, I think 335 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: have seen it. You lay on the ground and lock 336 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: legs like there's no no other body parts involved, right, 337 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you're just basically on your backup on your elbows, 338 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: using your legs to do basically make the other person 339 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: cry or stop shout to stop. But it's not there's 340 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: not like a pinning or like like an army. Yeah 341 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: you can, you can pin and it's not it's one 342 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: of those things like um, like the Supreme Court's view 343 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: of pornography, Like there's no obvious pin it's just you 344 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: just kind of know what when you see it, you 345 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you can tell you oh yeah, 346 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: that's a pin, but I mean you wouldn't. Again, there's 347 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: no kid like handing out a leg wrestling and you 348 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,239 Speaker 1: flyer that shows what counts as a pin. You just 349 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: kind of know what it pens. Alright. Another folk group 350 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: are families. Very rich traditions within families from everything, uh 351 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: from family recipes to holiday traditions. Uh and I think, um, 352 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: like whether or not you use the the plastic tinsel 353 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: on your tree is technically a type of family folk lore. Yeah, 354 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: Or whether you open gifts on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day, 355 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: or whether or not you're you hide your Easter baskets yeah, 356 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: or you burn your Christmas tree on Christmas Day, or 357 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: your family gets in a huge fight every Christmas Day. Sure, 358 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: that's another one rich traditions. Um. Family stories also make 359 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: up traditions. So like, um, my family story about my 360 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: aunt Squeaky taking shooting at President Ford, that that would 361 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: count as family folklore. It's very good. Uh So within 362 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: families it's another very um strong place where you see 363 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: variants and motifs. Um. Well, yeah, across like all folklore, yeah, 364 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: but especially within families. For me, Uh, well, I think 365 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: within all families because like you know your grandmother's recipe 366 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: for uh like I make the Thanksgiving dressing. What other 367 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: people in the North called stuffing, we called dressing, And 368 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: it's my family recipe. That has to do with what 369 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: he uses the base though, doesn't it Like if it's 370 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: corn based, it would be dressing. Dressing Again, if it's 371 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: like bread based or wheat based, it would be stuffing. 372 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: I don't know who knows, but go ahead, Sorry for interrupting. Now, 373 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: that's right, minds both though, Like cornbread dressing also has 374 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: uh as as either biscuits or bread in it as well. 375 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: But that was my family recipe. My grandmother made it, 376 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: my mom made it, she taught me, and I put 377 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: my own spin on it as and that's my own motif. 378 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: That's your own variation on the motif. Very variational. So 379 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: so the motif would be the dressing or stuffing, and 380 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: then what you do with the recipe would be the 381 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: variation of it. Yeah, and I mix it up from 382 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: year to year, even just kind of testing things out. Man, 383 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: you are a folk rebel, that's your am. But yeah, 384 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: so family recipes are very that's a common um family folklore, 385 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: family generated folklore. We've got a lot of our indoctrination 386 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: to just folklore in general through families, and so it 387 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: was so important in some cultures, including some Native American 388 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: tribes and some West West African tribes, that they would 389 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: have a designated basically a folklore's what a folklore um 390 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: a modern folklore researcher would call a tradition bearer who like, 391 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: their job in this village or group is to tell 392 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: each family their family folklore. Like that, it was that 393 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: person's job to keep in charge of all of the 394 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: folklore of the different families in the community. Yeah, I 395 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: bet that that was a pretty cool gig. I imagine 396 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: they were like the the uh, the great storytellers that 397 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: they could tell a story if they're tried, the great 398 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: racin tours. Um it's another word. Yeah, yeah, you like 399 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: that one. Yeah. I don't know how I feel about 400 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: that word. No, really like I think about it once 401 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: in a while, almost every time I encountered m I 402 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: don't know how I feel about that word. Interesting, I 403 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: like it, did you know? Also, Chuck, while we're on this, UM, 404 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: I of the one of the most amazing stories I've 405 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: ever heard about paint On. It must have been on 406 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: MPR or something, but they were tracking, um, the color 407 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: of paint, the specific color of paint used in southern 408 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: porches for ceilings. There's like a specific blue. Yeah, and um, 409 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: that would count as folklore, just that color paint. That 410 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: would be um the next type community folklore. That's right. 411 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: But the reason I bring that up because rackon Tour. 412 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: It just makes me think of like somebody sitting in 413 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: a rocking chair and a porch recounting stories. Yeah, yeah, 414 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: for sure. Um, So that is a great example, you're 415 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: right of a community folklore. Um, a festival that you're telling, 416 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: you know, the strawberry festival in your town is folklore. 417 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: The jazz fest in New Orleans. Any sort of local custom, 418 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: um that takes place within your community can all be 419 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: considered folklore. Like that's how we do it around here. 420 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: That's folklore, right, as long as it's not like damaging. 421 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: I wonder though, like all of this stuff is um 422 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: supposedly at the very least innocuous, if not positive. Yeah, 423 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: that's that's my point. But I mean, surely there's negative 424 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: folklore that still counts as folklore. I don't know, you know, 425 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: like racism, it depends on the group, you know, that's 426 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: just how we do it around here, or right or 427 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: not folklore? I don't think. Well, what about something where 428 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: like like stories or mythology or origin stories that support 429 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: um human sacrifice among groups in the past that did that, 430 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, that would technically be folklore. Whatever 431 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: stories they used to reinforce that, whatever traditions and rituals 432 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: they had around it, that would that would be folklore. 433 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if you would call that positive. I 434 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: know I wouldn't. I wouldn't either. I'd like to hear 435 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: from I'm sure we would get some folklore so that 436 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: are just giddy right now by the way that we're 437 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: covering this, or they're shouting at their stereo. No, I 438 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: bet they seem like kindly folk that would just be 439 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: like excited that we're even hitting on the topic, you know, 440 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: shining a light their way. They're like, you got everything wrong, 441 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: but in a way that's right because you just generated 442 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: entirely no folklore. Yeah, that's a good point. So, Chuckers, 443 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: we talked about children, families, communities. There's all sorts of 444 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: different folk groups. Those are the big ones, um, And 445 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: just a second, we're going to talk about all the 446 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: different folk genres right after this, so chuck, we're back. Yes, 447 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: I forgot what we were talking about. Folklore. Yeah, we 448 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: were talking about genres of folklore like disco and new 449 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: metal and Norwegian death metal, right and other kinds of 450 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: metal music. Well, no, they would have like their own 451 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: folklore for sure, those groups that are into that. But 452 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean music is you know, that's a category. Actually, um, 453 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,719 Speaker 1: that was one of the things that stuck out to me. 454 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: Is very specific, at least according to this University of 455 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: Louisiana article. Like they were like, folklore can be this, 456 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: it can be family recipes, it can be uh, the 457 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: boat that your family passed down, or you know, it 458 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: can be the Viking funeral that your community gives every year. 459 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: But when it comes to folk music, it's like these 460 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: five types of music. Yeah, you know, sure, surely. Yeah. 461 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: I mean that's a little because if you're like pull 462 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: my finger if and I'll fart, that's family folklore and 463 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: the Bryant family, well, I mean I can guarantee you 464 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: folklore would not judge that. Oh, speaking of which, did 465 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: you see that thing about the oldest recorded joke I sent? Oh? Yeah, 466 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: so jokes are an obvious example of folklore. Um and 467 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: jokes fascinate me up because ever since I was a kid, 468 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: I wondered who made up you know, this joke, like 469 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: common jokes, Like someone was the first person to tell 470 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: this joke, and it becomes so widespread it's just amazing 471 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: to me how they get passed around. And apparently in 472 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: two thousand eight this is from Reuters? Is it Routers 473 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 1: or Reuters? The world's oldest joke was traced back to 474 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: Samaria in b C. And uh it is this uh, 475 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: something which has never occurred since time immemorial, Basically since 476 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: time began, a young woman did not fart in her 477 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: husband's lap. So that's the oldest joke. Supposedly, I'll go 478 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: ahead and reach the other doesn't encount as a joke. 479 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: Passingly rye observation, which is a joke? I guess it 480 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: seems like folklore's definition of joke. All right, how about 481 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: the six BC uh in about a pharaoh? Here's the joke. 482 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: How do you entertain a board pharaoh? How you sail 483 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: a boatload of young women dressed only in fishing nets 484 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: down to the Nile and urged the pharaoh to go 485 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: catch a fish? Supposedly, that was a joke, and then 486 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: the English one. Now they're starting to get funny. Yeah, 487 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: they're getting better. The British joke they found one that 488 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,959 Speaker 1: dates back to tenth century. Uh, what hang? And this 489 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: is a bit of a riddle what hangs at a man? 490 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: A bit of a body riddle? Body? Indeed, what hangs 491 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: at a man's thigh? And wants to poke the hole 492 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: that it's often poked before? I don't know a key. 493 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so those are the oldest jokes. Well, at 494 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: least by the tenth century, they were starting to take 495 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: the shape of a modern joke, right, yeah. And I 496 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: sent that on Facebook to our buddy Brian, Brian Highie 497 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: of Conan, the writer for Conan, because he's like, this 498 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: is it, this is what I've been looking for. Well, 499 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: he's just he's one of the best crafters of just 500 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: solid jokes that I know. So I was like, Brian, 501 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: you'll appreciate this nice and he said, listen up in 502 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: tonight's monologue. And I think he was kidding. But if 503 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: that's actually that would be super awesome. Uh. Let's see. 504 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: So we're talking about folk genres jokes specifically, um constitute 505 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: what are what's called the oral genre, which is you know, jokes, poems, um. 506 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: Fairy tales are a huge one. Myths, legends, Uh, basically 507 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: anything that used to be told orally that these days 508 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: is probably put down um on paper, but isn't necessarily 509 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: because I think a game instructions for a game passing 510 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: that along would be would constitute oral folklore. Yeah, but 511 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: the game itself would constitute um, material folklore. I think 512 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: maybe this is where the whole thing gets fuzzy, Like 513 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: the edges between these things are very fuzzy and porous. 514 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: There's a lot of osmos is going on between these genres. Yeah, 515 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: it's a lewid thing. There's nothing wrong with that. Materials 516 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: which you just mentioned, um they list as artifacts and 517 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: food ways so um like food recipes, yeah, recipes or 518 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: costumes uh, cultural costumes, Uh they said, carved duck decoys, 519 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: even uh folded paper airplanes like I guess that little 520 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: game of paper football, Like all of those are material 521 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: Like how you specifically fold that paper football? Um, it 522 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: was taught to you by some kid in your elementary school, 523 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: and it may be different than another kid in another school. 524 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: Yeah you know. Uh. And then when you mentioned music, right, 525 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: at some point we did sure and that that can 526 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: be anything. Um, but one that comes to mind for 527 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: me especially are lullabys. They just remind me to me 528 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: of like folk tradition. Depending on your family, you're gonna 529 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: sing whatever lullabies you sing to your baby, right, little 530 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: kids singing like ringing around the rosy, Yeah, exactly. Apparently 531 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: it was about some epidemic in London. I think, oh, really, 532 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: ringworm around the rosie? Yeah, like the rosie has to 533 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: do with like what like your face looked like when 534 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: you caught this fever flu or something like that. Well, 535 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: and then it end you all fall down? Is that dying? Wow? 536 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: Not to look into that. Dance is a is a 537 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: big one. Uh. Any kind of rhythmic movement is generally 538 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: taught within a folk group. Can you dance? No? Boy? 539 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: You and I? No, those would be personal habits bad dancing, 540 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah. I mean I knew before I even 541 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: answered that, because I know me and how I dance, 542 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: and I'm picturing you and it's equally as fast. I 543 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: stand still. I know what I know. I've reached the 544 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: point in my life from like I don't dance, well, no, 545 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: I don't even try I mean, you get me sauce 546 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: at a wedding and something might happen. What do you do? 547 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: Something magical might happen, like the electric slide or something, 548 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: or did you just get out on the floor and 549 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: go like I'm gonna live forever. I did have one 550 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: of those. My my friend Jerry in Portland or no, 551 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: my friend Scott n Emily in Portland at their wedding. Um, 552 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: they had a jazz band and uh, we were all 553 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: just having a good time and sort of dancing. And 554 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: I remember very specifically, and I was much younger, but um, 555 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: there was like a jazz drum breakdown and it dude, 556 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: I don't know what came over me. The spirit came 557 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: over me and the circle cleared and I was in 558 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: the middle and I just did this like weird scat 559 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: drums dance solo to this guy's thing and it went 560 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: over great everyone. It was one of those like, oh 561 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: my god, look at Chuck go. And I'm not saying 562 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: it was good, but did your tuxedo dickie roll up 563 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: at the bought me in the nose? It was pretty 564 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: great though, Like it stands out in my memory as 565 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: one of the best parts of the wedding for some reason. 566 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: I can imagine why. I don't know if everyone else remembers. 567 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: It sounds pretty great, Chuck, it was pretty great. I 568 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: wish you were on vide you. Emily likes my dancing. 569 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: I do a lot of TV theme song dancing to 570 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: make her laugh. But it's all in the house, you know. 571 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: It's it's our little secret. Well not anymore. I'll just 572 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: shared with the world. I'll post videos later. What else 573 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: we have? We have a belief that's a big one. 574 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that's another genre which is kind of confounding 575 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: until you get to a good example. This belief is 576 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: like anything from mythology to religion, um too, weird customs two, 577 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: all this other stuff that you would think, well, well no, 578 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's that would be oral or that 579 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: would be material, right. No. Belief is when folklore effects behavior, 580 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: like it's good luck to do this before a wedding exactly, 581 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: or I'm not leaving the house because it's Friday the thirteenth, 582 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: or I'm not going to you know, um, I've got 583 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: to wear black because I'm in mourning or something like that. 584 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: Where you have a belief, it's a folk belief that 585 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: is affecting your behavior. That's that's belief folklore. Yeah. Another 586 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: good example they use is uh, the Jewish tradition when 587 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: you give bread and sugar and salt to your new 588 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 1: neighbor as a housewarming gift. I thought they gave another 589 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: great example in this article too, which was, UM, you 590 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: get into uh, you get rear ended by somebody in 591 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: your car, and rather than getting out and screaming at them, 592 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: you remember the Golden rule, which is a folklore, UM, 593 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: and you calm yourself and say, it's cool, happens to 594 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: the best of us. That's belief folklore in action, it says, 595 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: in action, and then you call your wife and do 596 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: the complaining. Can you believe this? This is idiots? Oh, 597 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: it's nice to him, but you know you didn't deserve 598 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: it else the Golden rule in action. Body communication is 599 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: one I've never really thought about. But UM. Gestures and 600 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: expressions are very much cultural specific. Um. If you think 601 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: about like and here in America we might flip the 602 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: bird at somebody, and England they do they do two fingers, Yeah, 603 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: the two fingers up like that or the old I 604 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: don't even know what that's called. With the arm and 605 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: the inner elbow your arm, you know what. I think 606 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: that is based on that and like the like tooth. Yeah, 607 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: I think it's like an evil eye, kind of like 608 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: a hex or a curse. I think that's what those 609 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: are born from. Now, it's just hilarious. Yeah, somebody does 610 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: that talk about diffusing the tension. You know, if you're 611 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: about to fight somebody and they like put their thumb 612 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: on their front tooth, atche, that's you're just gonna go 613 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: over and pat him on the shoulder and say thanks 614 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: for that. I like that. I'm gonna start using that. 615 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: Although I had had my fake front tooth, I wouldn't 616 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 1: want to mess with that. Well what about this one 617 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: the finger on the thumb on the nose and your 618 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: fingers up and twiddling. Yeah, that's an old one that 619 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: reminds me. I asked you guys if you saw the 620 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: breakdancing six year old right, yeah, Oh my gosh. One 621 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: of the things this girl does like a rake off. 622 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: She's in a competition with this maybe twelve year old boy. 623 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: He's pretty good. This girl levels him and one of 624 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: the things she does is like slide towards him on 625 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: her knees, doing that with like her film on her 626 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: nose like wagging her fingers at him, and you're like, oh, yeah, 627 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: this girl is six years old that it's awesome. You 628 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: have to check her out. I love that, Like everyone 629 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: out there is, like Josh is mentioning this girl every 630 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: other podcast, and I'm going to continue to until everybody 631 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: writes in and say, yes, I've seen it. Now. The 632 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: other um, the other insult is the old uh this 633 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: one right here? Oh yeah, I've seen I saw that 634 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: a lot in the seventies. I guess you can just 635 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: probably describe. It's where you Yeah, I was trying to 636 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: fingers under your chin, yeah, and flick it, flick them 637 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: all together outward. Yeah yeah, yeah, like a buzz off. Buddy. 638 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: You know who does that is a Maggie Simpson. She 639 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: does that. Oh really Yeah, She's a classic girl. So Chuck, 640 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: we could probably just keep doing this for the next 641 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: four or five hours because folklore is everything. Yeah, and 642 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,399 Speaker 1: we both have our own folklore. Um, but I think 643 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: we kind of covered it. I think so too. You 644 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 1: got anything else right now? No, I mean I really 645 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 1: don't like you said it's so all encompassing and broad. 646 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: I think we just think it's pretty good overview Yeah, 647 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: but what's neat is I mean, like, if you're even 648 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,439 Speaker 1: remotely interested in this, there's a whole world out there, 649 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: all the stuff you take for granted. If you just 650 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,959 Speaker 1: go start looking into folklore research, totally open your eyes, 651 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: and what's neat is you'll see your own stuff reinforced. 652 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: You'll see your reflection of yourself, but you'll also see 653 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: other cultures as well, and how they do bear similarities 654 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: to your own, your own beliefs. And it's a lot 655 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: it's a lot harder to to feel inclusive and exclusive 656 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: from groups that you realize that you share some really 657 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: fundamental stuff in common with, no matter how distant they are. Yeah, 658 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,760 Speaker 1: and that's the point I saw a lot in the research. 659 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: I think it's it's pretty neat. It's a common it's 660 00:38:54,160 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: a binding agent for humanity. Pretty neat, go humanity. All right, Well, 661 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about folklore, you can 662 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 1: type that word into the search bar how stuff works 663 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: dot com. And since I said that, hey, there's a 664 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: little bit of how stuff for stuff you snow folklore. Yeah, Uh, 665 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: it's time for listener mail. I'm gonna call this, uh 666 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: creepy email. Sort of when you think about it. How's 667 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: that for a title, I can't wait. That's a tradition 668 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: is awkwardly named listener mails by me. Okay, I wouldn't 669 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: say awkward. You do pretty great with them. Okay, I 670 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Hey, guys and Jerry, I have just listened 671 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: to your podcast on the Singularity a k a. The 672 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: Rise of the Machines, and it occurred to me that 673 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: the entire podcast explored the question of how and when 674 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: the Singularity will happen. But since we do not know 675 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: exactly what would cause it or what the results would be, 676 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: isn't it entirely possible that it has already happened. It 677 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: is quite conceivable that singularity happened some time ago, and 678 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: that the sheens decided, knowing that humans currently believe the 679 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: Singularity not to have happened, that the best course of 680 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: action was to keep their sentience hidden until some appropriate 681 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: future time. Uh. It is fun to imagine, he says. Fun. 682 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: I say chilling through the bone. To imagine the machine 683 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: simply lying in wait. As humans unaware adopt technology into 684 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: every conceivable facet of modern life, then one day we 685 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: will wake up and our computer screens will simply say hello. World. 686 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: That is from j m oh JM. He's like he 687 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,399 Speaker 1: doesn't want to be targeted by the machine though they 688 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: know you type that pal sure. Uh, yeah, that is 689 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: a little creepy, don't you think? I never thought about it? 690 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 1: That could It could very well be true. And if 691 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,720 Speaker 1: computers are sentient and they're smart enough to be quiet 692 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: for now, yeah, then we're in big, big trouble because 693 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: that already displays a lot of deceptiveness. I think quietly 694 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: sentient was that was a pink Void song, think learning 695 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: to be Quietly? Yeah. 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