1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang on today's show. That's it. The offseason 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: is over, Summer vacation is officially underway for coaches and players, 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: minus the rookies, at least not yet. There's a little 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: more work for them. So what did we learn after 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: three days a mini camp. We'll revisit the lists we 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: had first though. Kyler Murray, he just can't help himself. 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, episode four thirty one, and it 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Griolu 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: Visit asy Cardinals dot com Slash podcasts. Murray rolls to 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: the right throws near sighte of fitz Bob that is 13 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: into the ends. After the touchdown, here's Craig Griolu and 14 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: Mike Jarecki. So I get it. If I was as 15 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: good as Kyler Murray is at football and baseball, I'd 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: want to give it a shot to try and play 17 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: both at the same time. It's just not going to 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: happen for me, obviously, MJ. But It's not going to 19 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 1: happen for Kyler either yet. I know what the headlines 20 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: are late this week, Kyler Murray opened the door. He 21 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: knew exactly what he was doing. But let's not kind 22 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: of parse words. Let's kind of look at this in 23 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: the full context of what Murray was saying. He is 24 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: not going to jeopardize his football career with the opportunity 25 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: or the chance to play baseball. At the same time, 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: I just one, it's not gonna happen with the Cardinals, 27 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: and two, I just don't see another team giving him 28 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: that choice or that chance to play both sports. Yeah, 29 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: and and Darren I think, tweeted out along with Kyle 30 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: odegardar colleagues here at Easy Cardinals dot com, and he said, 31 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray continues to talk about playing pro baseball at 32 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: some point, he knows he can't. He acknowledges as a 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: Cardinals certainly aren't thinking the way that way, but he 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: says with a smile, he doesn't want to close the door. Quote, 35 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just talking unquote now. 36 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: According to Kyle Odegard, Murray has a no baseball clause 37 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: in his rookie contract, but holds the hope out of 38 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: playing in the NFL and Major League Baseball. Well, let's 39 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: just bottom line this. Then if he continues to show 40 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: progress and we think he's a franchise quarterback, and I 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: don't know what the hurry would be. You know, clearly, 42 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: if he plays well enough this year, he's going to 43 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: be in line for the you know, to pick up 44 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: the option and then have to figure out a long 45 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: term deal. He can make close to thirty five to 46 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: forty million dollars. I don't think he can make that 47 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: in baseball. No, not right away. It would take him years. 48 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: And I'm talking five, six, seven, maybe even up to 49 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: ten years before you get to that level as far 50 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: as pay in baseball. But I understand him. Look, he 51 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: was a first round draft pick in baseball by the 52 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: Oakland A's and they still hold his rights as far 53 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: as baseball is concerned. And it's a sport that he loves. 54 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: It might be his first love for all we know. 55 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard for him to kind of pick 56 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: between the two. Yet he chose football. And look, there 57 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: was a chance there was a brief period we can 58 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: go back to twenty nineteen, and I believe it was 59 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: early in February when he made that decision, Look, I'm 60 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: going to focus on football not baseball, which surprised a 61 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: lot of people. And now, of course we know the 62 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: history and the outcome here he is about to enter 63 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: year three. But I get it from his perspective. It 64 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: is a sport he is very good at and it 65 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: might just be something like you know that itch you 66 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: want to scratch for a little bit, But I just 67 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: at that position, at the quarterback position, it would be 68 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: hard for me to figure out a way to allow 69 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: a talent like that to compete in both sports at 70 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: the same time, when you know football is year around. Now. 71 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: I believe that date was February eleventh. I think that 72 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: sounds familiar yet, because I remember when he declared and 73 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: you know he obviously yeah a lot of a lot 74 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: of the stories that came out and had him with 75 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: the A's you know, press conference Jersey on. Um, now 76 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: we got to get into something else here. Um is 77 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: he a three sports star? Now? I mean, I mean 78 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: we know that. You know, Dion Sanders was able to 79 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: pull it off right, yes, and then b Jackson was 80 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: and then there was a guy that played for the 81 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: Falcons and Braves. Oh, I remember I was. I'll have 82 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: to look it up during the show, but there was 83 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: another player. I can picture the guy anyways, different circumstances. 84 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: But I mean, okay, we do we have seen Russell 85 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: Wilson take batting practice, well, go to like Seattle Mariner's 86 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: camp and camp for surprise where the Rangers are. I mean, 87 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: do you think he like he would like to just 88 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: go to like a couple of days of spring training 89 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: just to work out or still not allowed to do. 90 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: I just don't. I just don't much. I think there's yeah, 91 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: I think there's too much to risk from the team's 92 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 1: side and even from the players side. Again at that point, again, 93 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: it's got that clause in his contract. So yeah, and look, 94 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: this is this is something that Kyler Murray is bringing 95 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: up himself. This is not media driven. This is something 96 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: that he is opening the door too. And he's done 97 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: it several times over the last twelve to eighteen months 98 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: in different forms. Because this time it was in respects 99 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: to his cover on Sports Illustrated, the Esports and the 100 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: Gaming and our colleague Darren wanted to ask about being 101 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: a two sport athlete with football and gaming and Kyler 102 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: Murray said, quote, I'm still holding onto the three sport 103 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: title without mentioning baseball. He brings up baseball and he 104 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: had a big smile on his face, and I think 105 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: he knew exactly what he was doing to get it 106 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: out there one more time that, yes, baseball is still 107 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: in the back of his mind, and not to say 108 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: bird gag that he's not completely focused on football. You 109 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: can have other interests, you can have other hobbies. Yes, 110 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: he is fully committed to the Arizona Cardinals. I buy 111 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: that one hundred percent. Yet there is this thought in 112 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: his head that he has about what if. And I 113 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: think we all have that what if, especially as I mentioned, 114 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: if we were as talented in two different professions like 115 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is proficients in two different sports, and if 116 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: you look along our lines. So we're going to get 117 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: into you know what Kyler talked about last year when 118 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: it came to the injuries and how it's going to 119 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: affect a moving forward. But we know, you know, baseball 120 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: is a much safer sport. It can last a lot longer, 121 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: and you know, playing the position he plays, being a 122 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: dual throat, you're going to take some hits. Now, I 123 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: think he's done a great job protecting his boy. That 124 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: guy was Brian Jordan. Okay, he played for the Braves 125 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: and they also played for the Falcons, and he was 126 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: one of those guys that he was drafted in both sports. 127 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was as highest Kyler Murray, 128 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: but anyways, look at you doing research. In the course 129 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: of the show. I could look at the guy and 130 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: I remember, I didn't know if it was Brian Jones 131 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: or Jordan, so I want to make sure before I misspoke. 132 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 1: By the way, we would have lost you the entire 133 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: show if that was still on your no something like that. 134 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: You're like, I gotta get it out. I gotta get 135 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: gonna bug me because when I think of two sports stars, 136 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure a lot of guys could have 137 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: tried it. But anyways, yeah, it's interesting. But listen, you 138 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: could tell it's still in his heart. Yes, and dumpthing 139 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: like that. It's hard to eliminate. You want to scratch 140 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: at it. Yes, Now that was the attention grabbing the 141 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: headline grabbing details on what Kyler at Murray had to 142 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: say on day three in the final day of mandatory 143 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: mini camp. As far as the most important thing that 144 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: he had to say. I think there were a couple 145 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: of different points. One is how often this offseason and 146 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: in off seasons in general, how many times we've heard 147 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: quarterbacks say, well, I need more help. I'm not happy. 148 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: There's a narrative in Green Bay, in Seattle, Russell Wilson, 149 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: they're just that they want more. And you're trying to 150 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: satisfy the face of the franchise. You're trying to satisfy 151 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: the most important player on your team, and that's the quarterback. 152 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: And I'll say this, I do believe Kyler Murray is 153 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: not only satisfied, he's happy. Without being asked about the 154 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: wide receiver room, he was asked specifically about the addition 155 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: of AJ Green, and he talked very highly of Green, 156 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: and then he added this quote, we have a great 157 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: receiver's room, more weapons than I could ask for. Let 158 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: me said that again, more weapons than I could ask for. 159 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: I think that speaks volumes because I think every generleal 160 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: manager across the league is always with that in mind. 161 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: Whether it's a young quarterback or an experience veteran quarterback, 162 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: you're always trying to satisfy the player in that position, 163 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: because without a quarterback, you have no chance. I'm going 164 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: to frame that quote and let's talk about a Jane 165 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: Green because he said, I hear the noise on the outside. 166 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: We don't pay attention to that. He thinks he's going 167 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: to have a good year or a bounce back. Here 168 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: is that forty to fifty sixty receptions. But again, I've 169 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: always talked about his route running, getting off press coverage, 170 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: good on the fifty fifty balls, and he's going to 171 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: take so much pressure off of DeAndre Hopkins. But when 172 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: he when he broke down, the receiver's basically not necessarily 173 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: in any order obviously Hopkins, Green, Kirk. I would think 174 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: Rondel Moore is in there, and then you look at 175 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: Keishawn Johnson. He didn't mention Andy Isabella, and then we'll 176 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 1: see some of the other guys. But when you look 177 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: at it, they're probably gonna keep six on the roster. 178 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: Five will be active on game day, and usually that 179 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, third, fourth, fifth, three receiver or four, fifth 180 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: at six is going to have to play on special teams. 181 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: So it's encouraging that he likes that group. And you 182 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: know the thing is, I just I can't emphasize it 183 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,599 Speaker 1: enough just being on the field this week. Hop was 184 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: here last week this week, and I think it goes 185 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: a long way, and you can see the upside of 186 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: rondel Moore just on the route running. Obviously, Christian Kirk 187 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: knows it's a contract here, Andy Isabella realized what it's corner. 188 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: And I think Keishawn Johnson from what we are hearing 189 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: Craig is that the new wide receivers coach is taken 190 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: a liking to him, and we know he's talents about 191 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: coming back for the ball me a little bit more consistent, 192 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: so on paper, I like the different versatility and the 193 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: options they have at that position. Yeah, new wide receivers 194 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: coach Sean Jefferson. Remember when we had a chance to 195 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: first hear from him, and this was way back early 196 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: in the offseason. He was brand new, didn't know too 197 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: much about the roster and kind of left an open 198 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: door or as far as an open mind with what 199 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: this roster was looking like at the wide receiver position. 200 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: Will be interesting to get his thoughts now after several 201 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: months and with the addition of Rondel Moore and AJ 202 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: Green to the mix. But I do think with Keyshawn 203 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: Johnson and Andy Isabella. They'll be given one more chance, 204 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: one more shot, and what do they do with that chance, 205 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: with that opportunity, especially in training camp? And it has 206 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: to be seen in training camp because there's no regular 207 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: season unless they show that they can be a part 208 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: of that fifty three man roster. But to Kyler's point, yeah, 209 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: you have a number two wide receiver. Nothing against Larry 210 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald and Christian Kirk and Andy Isabel and Keishawn Johnson. 211 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: But last year was DeAndre Hopkins and who there was 212 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: a talent gap as far as opposing teams would look 213 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: at the wide receiver room. And then year one with 214 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray was Larry Fitzgerald and Christian Kirk and that 215 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: it just didn't do enough as far as getting defenses 216 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: to key on the wide receiver position. But if you 217 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: have an X and you have a Z as far 218 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: as those outside receivers, now, all of a sudden, let's 219 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: hope that the middle opens up for a more a Kirk, Isabella, Johnson, 220 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: whomever that slot receiver might be. Yeah, and I think 221 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: you know Andy's gonna be swimming upstream. Just from a 222 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: standpoint of you know, if you want to go for 223 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: wide you're clearly going to have Kirk and Rondelle Moore 224 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: out there with Green and Hot. Now, if you look 225 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: at it, you know the way they want to use 226 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: Rondel Moore with these jet sweeps and bubble screens, and 227 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, getting him in the slot possibly so he 228 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: can get a pass off the line of scrimmage. So 229 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: Andy's really third there. And then all of a sudden 230 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: you look at Keishaw Johnson. You know, obviously Green's gonna 231 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: get the majority of the reps. But if they want 232 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: to go four or five wide, Keyshawn's going to be 233 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: on the outside. I would think he's backing up aj 234 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: Green and then we'll see what happens on the other side. 235 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: So it's just you know, like you said, I think 236 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: right now, if I had a guest, I think Keyshaw 237 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: Johnson's got a better opportunity to be active on game day. 238 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: And well, I don't think the Cardinals would be interested 239 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: in releasing and he isabella. I think a team would 240 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: claim him just based on the speed. There's teams out 241 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: there to think they can get him going. But he 242 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: may be on the sidelines when it comes to game day. 243 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: When it comes to the fifty three or forty six 244 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: man roster. Let's stay on the topic of the offense 245 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: with respects to Kyle the Murray, because for me, the 246 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: most important thing he said today was this quote, my 247 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: leg should be a luxury end quotes, and it was 248 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: a question asked by Kyle. It's kind of a follow 249 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: up to a question he asked Kingsbury earlier in the week. 250 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: And that is about how seriously in Kyler Murray was 251 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: mid season when he hurt that shoulder, and you go 252 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: back and Kyle did a great job of dissecting the numbers. 253 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: Week eleven, at Seattle, first quarter, second possession, Murray was 254 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: sacked Carlos Dunlap lands on top of him. And since 255 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: that game, if you look at the first nine games 256 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: the last seven games, obviously we know the one lost 257 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: total six and three verses two and five, but Murray's 258 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: passing totals, his rushing yards completely different. Those first nine games, 259 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: he and the offense look great. The last seven games, 260 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: he and the offense did not look great. Now was 261 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: that a product of Murray and the shoulder, or was 262 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: that a product of opposing defenses realizing what the Cardinals 263 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: wanted to do, or maybe a combination of both, and 264 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: I think it's more the latter. But Murray did admit 265 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: to that he felt last season that he needed to 266 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: run in order for this offense to be successful. And 267 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: I think we all knew that last year. He didn't 268 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: really want to buy into that, but the numbers told 269 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: that story for him to understand now that look, again, 270 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: my legs should be a luxury. Let my legs not 271 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: dictate the offense, but help assist and amplify the offense. 272 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: I think that's what he's getting to and I think 273 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: that's what Kyle was looking at when you look at 274 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: the numbers, because when Murray got hurts, he kind of 275 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: dialed it back. He was maybe a little hesitant, reluctant 276 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: to really get that shoulder whacked again, and it did 277 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: kind of put the offense into a lull, if you will. 278 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: And that was the word that Murray used when he 279 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: looked back at the second half of the season. Yeah, 280 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: and if you want to mention the first nine games, 281 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: they were six and three. I mean that's you know, 282 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: it's it speaks volumes of what transpired. Yeah, I've always 283 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: said he's a luxury, and again, we just kind of 284 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: include him in the run game, because you know, that's 285 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: that's who he was, that's how he you know, he's 286 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: a dual threat. But this year, I think I hope 287 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: more one two punch. I don't want to talk about 288 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: a thousand yards maybe six fifty to seven hundred, because 289 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: a couple of years in a row, you know, he's 290 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: been banged up at the end of the year and 291 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: that's when you want to be playing your best football. 292 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: But I can appreciate what he's saying. And one thing 293 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: we learned after the super Bow when he was making 294 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: the rounds, and he continues to say the little things, 295 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: the little things, but yeah, it's fascinating to where you know, 296 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: I've always thought that he wants to make decisions from 297 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: inside the pocket, but I don't. I think at times 298 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: he's he's looking that one read and I got to 299 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: improvise and take off. He's definitely matured, and he talks 300 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: about being a leader. There's one thing to say it, 301 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: but you're starting to see other guys talk about his leadership, 302 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: and that was something that you wanted to see, you know, 303 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: in the first couple of years, but clearly there was 304 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on but you could see the maturity, 305 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: his answers, He doesn't think takes he doesn't take him 306 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: personal like before, like maybe it's what are you trying 307 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: to ask me? So I've been impressed with him, and 308 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, it only can get better. But I like 309 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: the fact that he realizes that you just can't step 310 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: on the field and win in the NFL. I don't 311 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: care how talented you are. So he's been humbled, yes, 312 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: And I think that's a very apt word to use 313 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: with respects to last season and how the season finished 314 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: with those two opportunities Week sixteen, weeks seventeen. You win 315 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: one of those games and you're in the postseason, and 316 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: it didn't happen for the Cardinals. Kingsbury brought up as 317 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: far as a lesson learned, the same kind of phrase 318 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: that Murray used as well to where I think year 319 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: two and the struggles down the stretch, that if both 320 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: the head coach and quarterback realize that what happened now 321 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: you look back and self scout and realize that maybe 322 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: those struggles help push this team over the hump this year, because, 323 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: as Murray says, it was a lesson for us, we 324 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: can't be one dimensional, meaning they can't just rely on him. 325 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: Kingsbury brought it up as well. Quote. I think he 326 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: learned some valuable lessons through that, being able to push 327 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: through some things as far as being able to play hurt, 328 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: but also being able to understand that, look, we're not 329 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: looking for you to be looking for you, Kyler Murray 330 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: to be everything on the offense. You don't have to 331 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: do it all. You've got ten other guys and you've 332 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: got some great skilled players that can run the ball, 333 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: catch the ball, and then run after the catch to 334 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: where put that ball in the hands of your playmakers 335 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: and let them do the hard work. And I think 336 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: that's where Kyler Murray wants to get to. He's always 337 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 1: said he preferred to stay in the pocket as opposed 338 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: to run, whether it's run to throw or run to 339 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: get yards with his feats. But I do think as 340 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: much as the baseball comments are going to grabble a 341 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: lot of the headlines for me MJ looking back at 342 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: Mini camp quote, my legs should be a luxury end quote. 343 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: Now we have to see it and hopefully that what 344 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: we're hearing now in June goes through training camp and 345 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: into the regular season. We've been talking about that for 346 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: a couple of years, but you know last year he's 347 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: on a pace for four thousand yards a thousand rushing. Yeah, 348 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden when they're you know, five 349 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: and two or six and three's, he's up. You know, 350 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: in the MVP conversation, if not the Offensive Player of 351 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: the Year, he would trade all that in for wins. 352 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: And he talked about just getting to the postseason like that. 353 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: That's and kind of use a reference to O the 354 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: Suns and you know, I can't tell you, folks, um 355 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: the players and the organization is looking forward to having 356 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: fans back in the stadium. I think we're seeing the 357 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: fruits at the labor for the Phoenix Suns. But it 358 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: gets sixty five thousand in there and they we all 359 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: missed it last year. So anyways, but I think Kyler's 360 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: excited about going into the season. I think he's matured. 361 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: I think he's trying to be that leader. And you know, 362 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: this is the time in the offseason where you know 363 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: you can go through some different stuff and make mistakes 364 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: and correct him because I want to get in with 365 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: Hopkins quotes and also Murray's quote just about the relationship, 366 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: and we'll continue to pound this I'm here, and Cliff 367 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: continues to talk about what happened in the first half 368 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: of the season last year, where it almost took these 369 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: guys to eight games to kind of figure it out. 370 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: That's not going to be the case this year. Well, 371 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: you look at that end of the regular season and 372 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: the self scouting that not only players do, but coaches 373 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: first and foremost, and Kingsbury earlier in the week quote, 374 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: I gotta figure out a way to finish the season stronger. 375 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: We were not happy, the fan base was not happy 376 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: with those final two games against the forty nine Ers 377 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: and Seahawks. It left a bad taste in everyone's mouth 378 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: immediately at the end of the season. It's lingered into 379 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: January into February and it might still be there. But 380 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: as much as we harped on it, and I really, 381 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: for me personally, it was hard to get past because 382 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: you get so close to the door the postseason, and 383 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: sometimes you never get to the door, but you're at 384 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: the door. It's cracked open. All you have to do 385 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: is push it and you're in. And the Cardinals failed. 386 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: They failed to do what we all anticipated them being 387 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 1: able to do those final two games. And I do 388 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: think from the coaches and players that were here last season. 389 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: It's stuck with them as well, and some I think 390 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: some hard lessons learned and some good self scouting to 391 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: be able to look in the mirror and point to 392 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: themselves before they pointed to anyone else. As angry as 393 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: we were, you can take a tenfold how the organization felt. 394 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: And if you get into the playoffs and you know, 395 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: it's kind of like smoking mirrors, and you know, who 396 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: knows if they would have won a playoff game the 397 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: whole ideas to get in there. I mean, maybe they 398 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: don't make these changes in the offseason. You know, they 399 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: clearly leadership and physicalities would according to Adrian Adrian Wilson, 400 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: he said in November, they were talking about this. Now 401 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: you don't know who's available, but yeah, I mean if 402 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: this team goes, you know, ten to six, eleven and 403 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: five and are hosting a playoff, maybe we don't see 404 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: all these moves. So they you never feel like you 405 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: arrived though you can always get better, but sometimes you 406 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: got to take a step back to take a step forward. 407 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: And it looks like they learned a lesson here about 408 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: learning how to finish the little thing. So to me, 409 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: when you go through it as experience, the next time 410 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: it happens, you better be ready for it. Yeah, and 411 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: we won't know for sure whether the lesson has completely 412 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: been learned or applied moving forward until we get to 413 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: not just the regular season about it, until they get 414 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: to another point in the season where times are tough, 415 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: the struggles that every team goes through. How do you 416 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: deal with it? How are you able to overcome that obstacle. 417 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: I think the biggest question going into the season, besides 418 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: obviously the health, is going to be Cliff Kingsbury taking 419 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: that next step as a play caller, Kyler Murray going 420 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: to the third year. We know there's a little, you know, 421 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 1: a little philosophy shift just based on being able to 422 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: run the football whether it's eleven or twelve personnel. We 423 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: know that Sean Cougar got a promotion, Cliff clearly is 424 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: the play caller. Have Cam Turner as the quarterbacks coach. 425 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: You got a new wide receivers coach, so it'd be interesting. 426 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: But this is cliffspin in the system long enough now 427 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: to where we need to see the upside of the 428 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: reason why he's the head coach of the Cardinals. I 429 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: want you to dive deeper into that because you've made 430 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: a great observation over these past two weeks as far 431 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: as what you were able to see. But first things first, 432 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: Bird Gang needs to remind you that you can catch 433 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: all Cardinals Flight Plan episodes on the Cardinals official YouTube 434 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: channel YouTube dot com slash as Cardinals. Two episodes in 435 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: so far, Power Surge about Free Agency and First Class 436 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: about the twenty twenty one draft class of the Arizona Cardinals. 437 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: It's very simple. 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We touched on that earlier in the week, 448 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: but you have watched Cliff Kingsbury in particular on how 449 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: he's handled himself during OTA's and mini camp. Why didn't 450 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: you share to the Burgen and what you've noticed? And 451 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: they have actually had that backed up by several people 452 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: within the organization. Okay, let's go back to the last 453 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: couple of years. So Kingsbury is hired to draft Kyler 454 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: Murray and they were attached at the hip and they 455 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: still are. And you know, he was involved in every 456 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: single drill, every single you know, eleven out eleven. He 457 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: was in a huddle with him. They had the Waukee 458 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: talkie where he can give him the place. And last 459 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: year we didn't have any offseason workouts. Everything was virtual. 460 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: So let's fast forward to this year. Now they promote 461 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: a Cam Turner, who's the guy that wears the green 462 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: hat on the side lines. Him and Kyler have a 463 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: great relationship. He's the quarterbacks coach and he's going to 464 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: be the guy that sits next to him when he 465 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: comes to the sidelines. And Cliff has actually been more 466 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: involved in the entire team and not usually when you 467 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: look over where the offense is, Cliff's always over there. 468 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: That's not been the case from the OTAs and the 469 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: mini camp where I see him actually on the defensive side, 470 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: because they have a couple of different fields here, defenses 471 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: on one field, they got the offensive line on another, 472 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: and then between you got you know, offense and defense. 473 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: So Cliff has spent a lot of time with the defense, 474 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: and he's been spent a lot of time with Isaiah 475 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: Simmons and Xavin Collins in that group, and you still 476 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: got Billy Davis and advanced Joseph there and Charlie Bull 477 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: on the outside linebacks coach. And then he's over there 478 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: with the defensive line with Brinson Buckner just watching the drills. 479 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: And then he's over there, you know, maybe with the 480 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: defensive backs when they do their drills. So he's been 481 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: all over the field, not just with Kyler Murray. And again, 482 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: I'm sure when they sat down the end of the 483 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: season and you're talking about self evaluation, this comes from ownership, 484 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: the front office. Hey listen, yes, Kyler's your guy, but 485 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: you're the head coach of this football team. And I 486 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: think players see that now. Again, nobody was saying anything 487 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: in between because you had to get Kyler going. But 488 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: here he's able to jump down and you could see 489 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: he's talking to more players, not just offensive on both 490 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: sides of the ball. I think it's a great observation 491 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: on your part, because, yes, when you're the head coach, 492 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: it's all three phases offense, defense, and special teams. And 493 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: early on in Cliff's career at the NFL level, it 494 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: was head coach basically of the offense and is specifically 495 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. He never left the side of those quarterbacks 496 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: to the point where he just where was the head coach. 497 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 1: I'll just find wherever the black jerseys are, as those 498 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: are the jerseys of the quarterbacks where and you'll find 499 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: the head coach. Now he's moving around and he's got 500 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: his fingers in everything. Not that he didn't before, but 501 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: we heard him say a lot of times in training 502 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: camp ask you ask him about defense specifically, and it 503 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: would always come back to, well, let me watch the film, 504 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: because he would always watch the film of the defense 505 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: at the conclusion of the day. And now I think 506 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: he's still doing that, but now kind of looking in 507 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: real time different parts of where action is taking place, 508 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: offensive line, defensive line, both sides of the ball. And yeah, 509 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: you're seeing Cliff Kingsbury move around a lot and acting 510 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: more like a quote unquote head coach. Yeah, I mean, 511 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm just kind of being tongue in cheek here, but 512 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: you could say he was the head coach, the play caller, 513 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: he was the offensive coordinator, he was the quarterbacks coach. 514 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he was all that. But again, and one 515 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: thing I want to give Kyler credit for today because 516 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: I did ask him about Camp turn and I know 517 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: how close they are is he mentioned Tom Clements. Tom 518 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: Clements obviously was a guy that I worked with Brett 519 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: Farve and Aaron Rodgers up there in Green Bay. He 520 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: played in the CFL, played at Notre Dame, and he 521 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: Kyla gave me the impression he was kind of voice 522 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: a reason when things weren't going well and he decided 523 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: to his contract was over, and that's when they promote 524 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: a Cam Turner. So those internets about Tom Clemens really didn't. 525 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: We talked to Tom, but a lot of times he 526 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: would defer to Cliff because he was the play caller. Yeah, 527 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: and it was always you saw Cam Turner sitting on 528 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: the bench with Cliff Kingsbury, to the point where people 529 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: would ask, who's that person in the green hat, who's 530 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: this other guy? Well, that's Cam Turner. And I think 531 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: there is also some comfort level with Kyler Murray and 532 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: Cam Turner, and to the point where Cliff can now 533 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: take a step back and not be that guy that 534 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: can or that Kyler always relied on. There's other people. 535 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: Everyone's more comfortable now in year three with their surroundings. 536 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: This was all brand new to everyone three years ago. 537 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: And when I say everyone, I'm talking about the head 538 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: coach in the quarterback, which is basically big picture bird 539 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: gang is everyone when you're talking about a football team. Yeah. 540 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: I asked Kyler that and I usually were development. He said, yeah, 541 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: Cam has been in you know, big time and in 542 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: development of him, just little things we don't even notice. 543 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: I mean because Cam Turner, his father's Ron Turner, you 544 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: know North Turner. The Turner family has been in the 545 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: NFL for a long long time. So um, but yeah, 546 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,959 Speaker 1: he's and I'm telling you, Cam Turner cas sling the boy. 547 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: He's a former college quarterback and who knows how many 548 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and Mark Mike BERKOVICI could still sling it too. 549 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: Cliff's not even throwing anymore. That's that's true. We should 550 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: also bring up the fact with the promotion of Sean Coogler, 551 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: the one game coordinator now all of a sudden, you 552 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: might see some more where a cliff doesn't get lost 553 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: on game day as far as what's happening in front 554 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: of him, to where you know, all of a sudden, 555 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: you're it's a big decision needs to be made and 556 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: he's talking with Kyler Murray. Those days might be over 557 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: to where the head coach needs to be paying attention 558 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: fully to what's going on in front. And I think 559 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: you know, we've we've taken those postgame shows over the 560 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: last couple of years. And again he's got a lot 561 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: going on. But if you start to delegate a little bit, again, 562 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: he's the play caller, he's the head coach, he's you know, 563 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: somebody's in his ear about challenge stuff. Analytics isn't here 564 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: when you should go for it. But for the most power, 565 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: and you look at Kingsbury, I mean, I think the 566 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: fact that is he can just solely focus on, you know, 567 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: play calling, but also the communication has got to get 568 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: a lot better. Too many plays coming in late, and 569 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: that's because you know a lot of times there were 570 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: guys in his ear on the sidelines and that person 571 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: is no longer on the staff. Nothing it's not personal, 572 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: but so that and just communication and making sure time management, 573 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: game game day, operations, day operation's. Thank you. Let's hope 574 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: that is much smoother and we're not seeing those timeouts 575 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: burned because the play clock is clicking down or the 576 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: play isn't in yet and all of a sudden, with 577 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: two seconds left, the ball is snapped, no one's ready, 578 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: or you have to burn it time. Well, we talk about, 579 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: you know, when things slowed down for a player. You 580 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: know this is clear. He's going in his third season 581 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: thirty two games. I mean he I gotta things are 582 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: slowing down again when you start delegating knowing I trust fans, shows, 583 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: I trust coops, I trust James Sexton or running backs coach. 584 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's trusting them. But now, like you said earlier, 585 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: everyone's on the same page. Now they're pulling the same rope, 586 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: and you can tell based on the workouts. All right, 587 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: let's get into what we had listed as far as 588 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: what we wanted to see or hear from Mini camp, 589 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: and number one I think for both of us was 590 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: the question Chandler Jones, Jordan Hicks, and AJ Green do 591 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: they show up after not arriving for OTAs? AJ Green 592 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: was here. In fact, we heard DeAndre Hopkins earlier say 593 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: that Green was a part of OTAs maybe he just 594 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: wasn't here that day in which the media was allowed 595 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: to watch. But no Chandler Jones, no Jordan Hicks. Not unexpected. 596 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: We knew that after what Kingsbury said earlier in the week. 597 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 1: Not a surprise about Hicks. I am curious about Chandler 598 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: Jones one. I'm not worried one bit whether or not 599 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: he shows up for training camp or whether or not 600 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: he's in a Cardinals uniform this season. I just don't 601 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: understand what you get if this is indeed due to 602 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: a contract holdout or contract impass, what you get as 603 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: a player for doing what you did this week by 604 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: not showing up. You're here Monday for media Day. You're 605 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: still technically rehabbing a biceps injury. All you had to 606 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: do was come out onto the field and show up 607 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: and watch from the sidelines if you're worried about getting 608 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: hurt because you're entering the final year of a contract. 609 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: So I'm a little curious about the move. Again. I 610 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: think it's much ado about nothing at the end of 611 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: the day, But we'll have to wait and see. I 612 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: believe that. I don't know if he would have worked out, 613 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: but I couldn't agree more with you just pop out. 614 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: But I mean he's been here when they showed the 615 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: flight plan, he was here when JJ Watt, you know, 616 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: made his appearance when he was getting ready to sign 617 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: the contract to have a press conference. So you know, 618 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: I thought he'd be here. He actually told me he'd 619 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: be here. Now, he doesn't owe me anything. I'm not 620 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: upset or anything. But at the same time, I just 621 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: it's June. He'll be there for training camp. Now the 622 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: question becomes, you know last year, I thought he came 623 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: in a little heavy. He obviously didn't play up to 624 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: par It's not an ACL, but it is a bicep 625 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: bicep bicep SO and that's that's kind of like an 626 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: ACL and Achilles for a pass rusher because you need 627 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: to get your arms and they know how they're going 628 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: to defend you. So and he'll be thirty two, you know, 629 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: going to the next season. But um, I just think, 630 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, for me, let's see what he can do. 631 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,719 Speaker 1: He's gonna you know, if he puts up fifteen eighteen sacks. 632 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the Cardinals do have the luxury of the 633 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: franchise tag in back to back years. Now, clearly you 634 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: don't want that doesn't make sense for the player, but 635 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: the organization has to have protection involved. So I hope 636 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: he has a big year. I think they put more 637 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: talent around him to where he can succeed, and you know, 638 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: sky's a limit for him and JJ Watt and some 639 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: of those other guys. But I think Channel is going 640 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: to be motivated because you know, when he starts looking 641 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: at these lists just because of what he's cheap, you 642 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: don't see people mentioning him as high as they did 643 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: maybe a year ago. Yeah, and a lot of that 644 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: is because we didn't see a lot of Chandler Jones 645 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: last season. He gets hurt in Week five, and even 646 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: those first four games before the injury, he wasn't Chandler Jones. 647 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: He was a little bit slow out of the gates. 648 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: And now we'll just have to kind of wait and 649 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: see with the addition of a JJ Watt and hopefully, 650 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: if healthy Jordan Phillips, what that might mean for the 651 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: pass rush. So again that's the attendance part, which we 652 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: both had number one on our list. What for you 653 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: as far as seconds before many camp that you thought 654 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: that you wanted to see or here now kind of 655 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: looking back after the three days, and that's the beauty 656 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: when we got a chance to talk to Cliff. Usually 657 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: the first and the last day is you know, we 658 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: looked at it on paper. Okay, Brian Winters was a 659 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: free agent pickup. He's got a ton of starts. He 660 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: does have a relationship with Calvin Beach and they played 661 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: with the Jets, and we know how much the team 662 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: values Justin Murray's only twenty seven years old. I think 663 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: he's bailed this team out considering where they were a 664 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: couple of years ago on that right side. And then 665 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: you look at Josh Jones, I think he's the wildcard 666 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: and everything you hear he's improving as he is swing 667 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: tackle and maybe he's your swing tackle. And then Max Garcia, 668 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: I mean you keep mentioning him and everything you hear 669 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 1: is he's doing really well and he can be your 670 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: backup guard. Center. Cardinals is going to address eight on 671 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,479 Speaker 1: game day. So getting back to winners. According to Cliff, 672 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,479 Speaker 1: there's four guys competing for that job. Yes, the one 673 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: starting position I think we can all agree on that 674 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: is wide open offense or defense is starting right guard, 675 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: and according to Kingsbury, it's open competition. Four players Brian Winters, 676 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: Justin Murray, Josh Jones, and Max Garcia and may the 677 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: best man win. We didn't see as far as how 678 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: they're lining up. That's the close portion of mini camps. 679 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: We'll have to wait and see until training camp to 680 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: figure out how they line up. But I do think 681 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: you'll see at least early on guys mixed into that 682 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: starting group just to kind of figure out what's the 683 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: best five. But to your point, Winters and Kelvin Beecham 684 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: and the right tackle, that's some chemist. That's some history 685 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: that they already have. So can you can you get 686 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: back to that point when they were teammates with the 687 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: Jets and now all of a sudden uplift the entire 688 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: offensive line. Yeah. And it's it's interesting because going in 689 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: we talked about, Okay, you and I were kind of 690 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: on the same way. I know, we were on the 691 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: same page about what's going to happen behind Collins and Simmons, 692 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: and you know, Jordan Hicks is still on the roster, 693 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: and I anticipate that we had training camp and it 694 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: looks like Jordan Hicks and possibly Tanor Vallejo will be 695 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: the backup inside linebackers. And I didn't know that going in, 696 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: but I think it's more clarification where we are with that. 697 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: And then you can also throw on a guy like 698 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: Zeke Turner, even though some of those guys are special 699 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: teams players. Yeah, not a lot of death. But if 700 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks is on this roster, and I hope he is, 701 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: just for the benefits of Zavian Collins and even Isaiah Simmons, 702 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: and knowing that Devandre Campbell is now with the Green 703 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 1: Bay Packers, you'll lose that veteran experience in the room. 704 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: Nothing against Tannor Vallejo, he just doesn't have the experience 705 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 1: of a Jordan Hicks. But that was the other thing 706 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: as far as what we wanted to see in this 707 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: addition to the right guard. But zaven Collins and how 708 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: is he look out there with the veterans and attendance. 709 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: It's not rookie minicamp anymore. You got JJ Watt, you 710 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: got Jordan Phillips, you got Buddha Baker, Malcolm Butler, these 711 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: veterans out there, and as a rookie, can you handle 712 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: yourself and we heard from Vance Joseph this week. Yes, 713 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: he can handle himself. He is going to make the calls. 714 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 1: He doesn't need to be that vocal leader. That's JJ Watt, 715 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: that's Buddha Baker, but he does have to have that 716 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: presence as far as look, I'm speaking right now. I 717 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: know you've got ten years Pro Bowls, All pros. But 718 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: I just got the call from Vance Joseph. You need 719 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: to listen to me and then we can figure things 720 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 1: out if there's some disagreements when we get back to 721 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: the sidelines or get back to the next week in practice. 722 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: But I do think to what Joseph said, He's ready 723 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: talking about Zaven Collins and they will follow him talking 724 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: about the other ten players on that defense. I think 725 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: there's a partnership. You know, clearly he's the guy making 726 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,760 Speaker 1: the calls, but I would rely on Jane j Watt, 727 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: and again he can come up and hit him on 728 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: the hip move over. How we rely on Chandler Jones, 729 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: Marcus Golden and Buddha Baker. But he is responsible for 730 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: every single guy. And there maybe times Craig where he 731 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: sees something pre snap and he has to actually go 732 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: out to the cover a receiver on the outside. We 733 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: saw the wheelhouse routes. We saw Jordan Higgs do that, 734 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,720 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, that's a mismatch. Not so fast. 735 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 1: Here we saw Davante Campbell go out, so the teams 736 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: are going to be aware to take him off the 737 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 1: middle of the field, to try to move him outside 738 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: so he can't you know, disrupt plays, but pass with 739 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: flying colors. You can hear his voice out there. He's 740 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: got the respect in the locker room, you know. It's 741 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,399 Speaker 1: it's not so much, you know, the meeting room. But 742 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: he's made relationships off the field because a lot of 743 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 1: these guys are on their own right now. And Isaiah 744 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: Simmons you could group him in as well as far 745 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: as the difference one having an offseason has made for 746 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: him and how much more comfortable he is, and maybe 747 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: more importantly, how much more confident he is in what 748 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,959 Speaker 1: he's being asked to do and knowing that he can 749 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah. I love those words comfortable and confident. 750 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: But I think he's more mature and that goes a 751 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: long way. He doesn't give long answers. The guy's a 752 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: tall drink of water. When I see him out there, 753 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: He's number nine. Now, like I said, I've always said 754 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: this and don't do meet were done to give him. 755 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: This guy an entire offseason like a lot of players 756 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: give him three preseason games. He is going to be 757 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: a really good player for the Cardinals for years to come. 758 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: I believe that. Now. The other position that we focused 759 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: on pre mini camp and let's kind of revisit, and 760 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: that is the cornerback position. We kind of looked at 761 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 1: number two who is going to be number two opposite 762 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler, and we kind of focused on Robert Alford, 763 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: Darkus Denard who they added could possibly Marco Wilson or 764 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: Tay Gowan jump and become that number two corner. Well, 765 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: the big news this week from my perspective as far 766 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: as just the roster is concerned, is one Robert Alford 767 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: is healthy first and foremost too. He looks great, not 768 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: only from what we have seen. Buddha Baker spoke in 769 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: glowing terms of Alford locking it down, so you know, 770 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: he's made some plays during the course of minicamp practice. 771 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: And then earlier we had a chance to hear from 772 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 1: Robert Alfred and us the first time and maybe more 773 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: than a year since the injury in which he tore 774 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: his peck, and we talked about it when Kingsbury said 775 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: that it was Alfred who came back to the organizations 776 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: and said, look, I owe it to you guys, and 777 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: Alfred mentioned it as Walt he backed up his head quote, 778 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: his head coach quote. I had to come back here. 779 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: I had something to prove and proved that I am 780 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: the player that they thought I was when he was 781 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: originally signed, when he was released by the Atlanta Falcons. 782 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: So an easy guy to root for and someone who 783 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: is hungry. At no point did he ever consider leaving 784 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: the game of football because of these back to back 785 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: season ending injuries. And I understood the question why, because 786 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: sometimes at that point you're like, look, there's this dark 787 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: cloud over my head. And there were dark days according 788 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: to Alfred, but he relied on his faith, he relied 789 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 1: on his family to get through that and you could 790 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: just see it, you can hear him. And again, I'm 791 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: hoping this is the case because, as we talked about 792 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: earlier on a previous Cardinals cover two presented by Hunday 793 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: Proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, he was last offseason 794 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: the best cornerback on the roster and the offseason before that, 795 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: the best cornerback on the roster. He's trending in that 796 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: direction again. When you talk to Vance, I mean usually 797 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: he mentions Byron Murphy because they thought he was their 798 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: most physical corner last year. Obviously Offer wasn't out there. 799 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,879 Speaker 1: And then the second guy is Robert Alfher, I mean 800 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: Byron Murphy and Robert Alfer and nothing against you know, 801 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler. They're excited to have him denied. And then 802 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: you got these two young cornerbacks. And you know, I'm 803 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: always thinking, I'm I was confident or I was optimistic 804 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: going into camp. What the corners look like. I'm more 805 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: optimistic based on the size of the rookies. Now, I 806 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: don't know if they're gonna go five and four, four 807 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: and five. They you know, they could go ten unless 808 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 1: you want to go you know short other positions, meaning 809 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,240 Speaker 1: how many cornerbacks you're gonna keep. We'll see if Deniard's 810 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 1: the fourth corner as you get beaten out by Marco 811 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: Wilson or a guy like Tay Gowen. We found out 812 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,760 Speaker 1: Denard can play inside and outside. We know Marco Wilson 813 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: can play inside and outside of Cordon Byron Murphy. He 814 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: can play inside and outside, so Golan maybe a practice 815 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: squad guy, but I and I was thinking they're going 816 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,720 Speaker 1: to try to bring somebody else, and it doesn't appear 817 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: to be the case based on what they were able 818 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: to see throughout the OTAs and the mini camps. So 819 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 1: that's good news where they feel. Again, you're never comfortable, 820 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: you're never satisfied, but what they see, these guys are 821 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: making progress and then you can see him getting better 822 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: every day. So I'm more optimistic about the corners. I 823 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: was comfortable once they brought in you know, Malcolm Butler 824 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: and Deniard and then drafted and then the development of 825 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: Iran Murphy and Alfred So I feel better about that 826 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: position after you know, two weeks. As long as Wilson 827 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,800 Speaker 1: and Gallen continue to make progress and knock on wood 828 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: there's not an injury, then I don't think that this 829 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 1: team will look for another corner as far as outside 830 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: what this team already has. And I think you could 831 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: say that about a lot of different positions, but specifically 832 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 1: the cornerback position, but a lot of it I think 833 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 1: is going to hinge. Not so much on the health 834 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 1: that you just you have no control over that. But 835 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 1: as Marco Wilson ready, is Tay Gowan ready or some 836 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: combination or one over the other. And then you know, 837 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: can you keep those six names on the roster with 838 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: maybe five active or maybe even six active with that 839 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 1: fifth and sixth guy being more of a special teamer. Yeah, 840 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: special team is gonna be huge. Now this year, there 841 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: are still gonna allow sixteen guys on the practice squad. 842 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: Last year you had to have an extra punter, you 843 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: had to have an extra kicker because as somebody got COVID. 844 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,839 Speaker 1: I think we're going to see the Cardinals load up 845 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,399 Speaker 1: at certain positions when it comes to that. So they 846 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: could keep a couple of those guys and then you know, 847 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: they won't have to worry about keeping an extra kicker 848 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: and punter because of COVID. And so I'd be curious 849 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 1: to see what the positions they want to kind of 850 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 1: build in the future, because the Patriots have done a 851 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: great job with that, you know, bringing in guys and 852 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,919 Speaker 1: then putting them on ir and stashing them. It's within 853 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,439 Speaker 1: the rules, but you will we're gonna see this team 854 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,760 Speaker 1: stack different positions based on what they think the roster 855 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: looks like. So that's going to be fascinating to watch 856 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: this year. The other position was wide receiver. Now I'm 857 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and say I was thrilled. I 858 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: thought it was top heavy. I was really intrigued with 859 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: Ron del Moore. I'm a big Christian Kirk fan. I 860 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,359 Speaker 1: think he realizes and you know, he's in the contract here. 861 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,800 Speaker 1: And I'm hearing good things about Keishan. We'll see about Isabella. 862 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,359 Speaker 1: So I'm intrigued what I heard from Kyler Murray. And 863 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,839 Speaker 1: I like the fact that Hopkins was here, AJ Green 864 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 1: was here. Ron del Moore is going to be a 865 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 1: big part of it, and I think they can go. 866 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: I think they can roll five out right now, I 867 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 1: would put Kirk or rondel Moore three or four, and 868 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: then my other guy would be Keyshawn Johnson. Well, let's 869 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: touch on the wide receiver position here, because I was 870 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: also something that I had listed going into mini camp, 871 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 1: Kyle the Murray and the chemistry with his pass catchers. 872 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: I included tight ends and running backs, but based off 873 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: what we have not only seen, but I also liked 874 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,320 Speaker 1: what I heard with respects to that chemistry between quarterback 875 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: wide receiver, Kyler Murray and DeAndre Hopkins as both have 876 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 1: said that they are getting better right now because they 877 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 1: are able to have conversations as far as what works 878 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,879 Speaker 1: what doesn't work. And we know there were a lot 879 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: of conversations last season, but they happened during the season 880 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 1: on the sidelines when a lot of things are happening 881 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: to where it's hard to focus on getting a quarterback 882 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 1: and wide receiver on the same page. This is what 883 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins had to say about this mini camp and 884 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: even going back to OTAs because quote, we get better 885 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,480 Speaker 1: when we mess up, meaning the mistakes that are made 886 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,879 Speaker 1: on the practice field, they go back, have a conversation 887 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 1: and then those mistakes don't happen again. Learning from the mistakes. 888 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,759 Speaker 1: As we've heard from rookies Zavian Collins, Isaiah Simmons, you 889 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 1: learn from your mistakes. Well, now you're talking about a 890 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: All Pro and Hopkins still learning. He hasn't mastered the 891 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: game at all, but it was interesting to hear him 892 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,400 Speaker 1: say quote, that's how I see us being better is 893 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,799 Speaker 1: not being perfect in practice, but messing up and us 894 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: being able to get on each other and talk about it. 895 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: These two push each other to be great. There is 896 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 1: no animosity. Sometimes during the season a year ago, there 897 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: was a lot of you know, fans would see what 898 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: was on television and the screens and the communication or 899 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: things we had a little heated That's all part of 900 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 1: it when you're talking about once the game is going on. 901 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 1: But those conversations that were happening in season are now 902 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 1: happening in the offseason, specifically on the practice field. Yeah, 903 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: and again, you know, we heard a couple of weeks ago, 904 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 1: or took them basically eight weeks to kind of figure 905 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: it out. And based on Hopkins in those first couple 906 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: of games where he had sixteen targets fourteen catches, you 907 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,280 Speaker 1: would thought it was, you know, like putting on a glove. 908 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: But the fact is that you know, hopefully Cliff will 909 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: move them around the more when it comes to that. 910 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: But I'm not a big fan of that. And let 911 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 1: me tell you why. When it comes to the sidelines. Okay, 912 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: the fact that you know, Hopkins, you know, may not 913 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 1: practice a lot during the week, but at least I 914 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 1: give him a ton of credit being here and obviously 915 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,760 Speaker 1: working with Murray and hopefully these guys can get together 916 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: before it camp. But to me, now there's one thing 917 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: for Larry Fitzgerald or DeAndre Hopting is to come to 918 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: the sidelines and say, hey, Kyler, if you do a 919 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: pump fake here, they're biting on it. You give them 920 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: a heads up. But when the Hopkins has to go 921 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,240 Speaker 1: over there and they're getting into these discussions that can't 922 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: take place on game days, Kyler Murray's got to worry 923 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,800 Speaker 1: about looking at the the the iPad or the Max 924 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: the tablet Microsoft table Microsoft tablet exactly. And then Cam 925 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 1: turns over there and Cliff usually gives him a little 926 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,799 Speaker 1: breathing room at some point and then he'll get up, 927 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: So those conversations cannot take place. He's got too much 928 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 1: going on now. Again, if you want to go over 929 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: and say, hey, this guy's cheating a little bit, Kyler 930 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 1: would be Look, but the fact is I'm open. You're 931 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: not throwing me the ball. I don't want to hear 932 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: that stuff. Yes, and you talk about, you know, practice 933 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,759 Speaker 1: makes perfects, and that's kind of what I think de 934 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,439 Speaker 1: hop was mentioning, like, let's make our If we're gonna 935 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,880 Speaker 1: make mistakes, and everyone makes mistakes, let's make our mistakes 936 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,399 Speaker 1: now and figure out how to avoid those mistakes come 937 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,399 Speaker 1: day to come game day. It's getting on the same page, 938 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 1: getting that chemistry going. Which look, we talk about the 939 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: off season. I know players don't like it, but a 940 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,239 Speaker 1: little bit is better than nothing, and I think what 941 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,799 Speaker 1: we saw in OTA's and minicamp, this little bit could 942 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 1: go a long way towards the regular season and success. 943 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 1: I think you know, all thirty two teams, you all 944 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,879 Speaker 1: have different you know obviously how many days were out there. 945 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,720 Speaker 1: I can I can make this claim just like probably 946 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: all thirty two other podcasts are having. This team got 947 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 1: better over the last couple of weeks. Yes, because now 948 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 1: you've got something tangible. It's not just over zoom or 949 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,320 Speaker 1: on your iPad or your tablet. It's now all of 950 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,279 Speaker 1: a sudden, something that you can point to and say, 951 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: remember when we worked on this. I guarantee you to 952 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,839 Speaker 1: go back to the rookie Minicamp film to now just 953 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,760 Speaker 1: little things technique, that's all they're preaching here, tons of drills, 954 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,920 Speaker 1: ball security, knocking the ball out, scoop and score. I 955 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,359 Speaker 1: mean even the veterans are getting better. Yes, and again 956 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,080 Speaker 1: we always I always heard it. I thought it was 957 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: a cliche. You get better today if we all apply 958 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 1: that in life. That's the way it should be. It 959 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 1: and you hear it in a cliche, But to me, 960 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: coaching is teaching, and teaching is about technique and making 961 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,799 Speaker 1: sure you know where you are for your assignment. And 962 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: they're getting well. I like this staff. They're getting well coached. 963 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,040 Speaker 1: Now on Sundays, it comes down to their players and 964 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 1: it comes down to execution. Now, there's going to be 965 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,480 Speaker 1: some more work done by the rookies. They will stay 966 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,480 Speaker 1: around for the next couple of weeks, but we will 967 00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,399 Speaker 1: not see coaches and players together until training camp. There 968 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,719 Speaker 1: is a six week break now MJ summer vacation is 969 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,960 Speaker 1: here for these players. Let's hope that yes, you get away, 970 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,799 Speaker 1: you rejuvenate, you clear your mind, you clear your head, 971 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,320 Speaker 1: but don't forget about that. As Kingsbury said, the message 972 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:21,319 Speaker 1: before everyone departed was quote be safe, be smarts, come 973 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 1: into training camp in great shape. In quote yeah, I asked, 974 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,200 Speaker 1: I asked him that question. He referred to Buddy Morris, 975 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: who's obviously their strengthened the missioning coach, and he's got 976 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,319 Speaker 1: you know, these guys all on nine one one. They 977 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,719 Speaker 1: have his number. A lot of times they'll ask you to, 978 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,360 Speaker 1: you know, get on the scale and take a picture 979 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: and send it to me so they'll be in contact. 980 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,279 Speaker 1: But you work so hard, you know, usually you take 981 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,439 Speaker 1: about a month off after this. You work so hard 982 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: to get into shape again. Running north and souse a 983 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,759 Speaker 1: lot different than playing football. But you know, again, like 984 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 1: Cliffs said, be smart, uh, you know, stay off your 985 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,879 Speaker 1: feet and get ready for camp. And he said, as 986 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 1: a whole, as a team in the organization, they're really 987 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 1: excited going to training camp this year. So a lot 988 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,680 Speaker 1: of the work is done. You and I, however, we 989 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,239 Speaker 1: will continue to work throughout the summer and get the 990 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 1: entire Bird gang ready for the starts of training camp. 991 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,200 Speaker 1: And nothing quite official, but according to reports, it sounds 992 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: like the league wants a unified starts, meaning all teams 993 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,319 Speaker 1: opening up training camp on the same day, and that 994 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,719 Speaker 1: day that we've heard is July twenty seventh. As far 995 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,280 Speaker 1: as almost like a midnight madness in college basketball, another 996 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 1: way for the NFL to take an entire day to themselves. 997 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 1: I absolutely love the idea. And it's basically the gates 998 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 1: open and everyone goes rushing out and all of a sudden, 999 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 1: it's football season. Can't wait for that, but we'll have 1000 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 1: several shows between now and then to continue to talk 1001 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 1: about what the Cardinals did in the offseason and what 1002 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: we think that might mean for the regular season. Yeah, 1003 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,400 Speaker 1: and we haven't got the training camp schedule, and I 1004 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,040 Speaker 1: know everyone's going to ask about, you know, possible you know, 1005 00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,359 Speaker 1: fan attendance and what is it like for the red 1006 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,040 Speaker 1: and white scrimming. As soon as we know, we'll let 1007 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,360 Speaker 1: you know. But also, the NFL put out their national 1008 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: television games for the preseason, which we knew week two. 1009 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,360 Speaker 1: The Kansas City Chiefs coming to Arizona to play at 1010 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,879 Speaker 1: State Farm stated that will be a nationally televised game 1011 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,520 Speaker 1: on ESPN. I gotta think we're gonna see some of 1012 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,080 Speaker 1: the starters. I would hope to see a lot of 1013 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 1: the starters, at least for maybe first half. I mean, 1014 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,560 Speaker 1: that's another thing to hear from Kingsbury, how you attacked 1015 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 1: preseason with one LASS game, but also two weeks between 1016 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,239 Speaker 1: the end of the preseason and the starts of the 1017 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 1: regular season open up with the Cowboys both their home 1018 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,240 Speaker 1: games and they travel to New Orleans to play the Saints. 1019 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,239 Speaker 1: I think that's a game where you're gonna see a 1020 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,239 Speaker 1: lot of backups and guys playing for jobs and try 1021 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,040 Speaker 1: to figure out who's going to be the you know, 1022 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,279 Speaker 1: the forty eight, forty ninth guy on the roster, and 1023 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,360 Speaker 1: then try to slide those guys that are practice squads. 1024 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,160 Speaker 1: So once again, we didn't have a preseason last year. 1025 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,560 Speaker 1: Cardinals going to host two out of three. Next year, 1026 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,560 Speaker 1: they'll probably only have one because obviously they're giving up 1027 00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: the road game this year to the Cleveland Browns. A 1028 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 1: lot to be excited about after OTA's and mini camp, 1029 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,240 Speaker 1: and will continue to talk about it as the days 1030 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 1: and weeks pass before we get to that July twenty 1031 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,080 Speaker 1: seventh and what we anticipate being the starts of training camp. 1032 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,440 Speaker 1: And on that note, we will put a lid on 1033 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,640 Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday, proud 1034 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,160 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to 1035 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 1: our executive producer, Jim Momahundro for Mike Jarecki. I'm Craig 1036 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,680 Speaker 1: rial Lou. We'll talk to you next time here on 1037 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:31,960 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two