WEBVTT - Jordan McGraw 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:04.320 Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:07.320 Studio on iHeart Radio. My name is Jordan Runtog, but 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.440 enough about me. My guest today has had a very 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:13.240 busy life in Lockdown. He's tied the knot with Ease 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.439 Daily Pop co host Morgan Stewart, and this summer became 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.919 a first time parents a daughter, Row And somehow he's 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.320 still found time to drop two stellar singles, most recently 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.880 the synth Tings throwback She and also a few months earlier, Her, 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.840 which is a collaboration with the Jonas Brothers. He's heading 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:31.479 out on the road with them for a series of 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.160 dates through the fall. How does he do it all? Well, 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:37.080 there's talent, good work, ethic, and maybe a word of 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.040 advice from his father, who you may know as Dr Phil. 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.960 I'm so happy to welcome my guest today, Jordan McGraw. 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.040 This is going to be so confusing. First time this 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.360 has happened on this show. I talked to myself all 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.360 the time. Same here. Well, while we're on the topic 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.440 of similar names, you have two new songs. Your new 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.600 song is called your latest song, rather, it's called She, 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.000 and your last single before that is Her. Everybody get 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.840 that straight. Both songs are excellent. Let's start with She, 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.000 which is about something that I'm guilty of. When you 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.120 have a dream where you're mad at someone and you 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:11.600 wake up and you're still kind of a rationally mad 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.000 at them, and it throws your whole day. Tell me 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:15.920 about where where did the song come from? For you? 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.320 I think we're all guilty of it. First of all, 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.479 it's like you can't control it and you just wake 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:25.520 up glaring at somebody. Okay, uh no, it's oddly enough, 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.679 it is a true story. My now wife and I 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:32.200 were quarantining together right right when it was you know, 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.479 at its time where we had to stay inside, which 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.640 was probably the worst setting for this to actually happen in, 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.840 and she just woke up pissed and I was like 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:46.560 what what? And uh she was like just nothing, you 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.600 really did. It's just, you know, I don't want to 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.960 talk about it. I was like, I think she's still 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.080 mad at me. Were months pasted it, and I think 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.440 she's still mad about it. I can't get ahold of 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.360 dream me. So you know, what do with the dream? 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.480 Did she tell you? I have? I have no idea, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.840 I don't know, but it was bad, so if I 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.280 ever get ahold of dream Jordan, I'm like kick his ask, Yeah, 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.600 you gotta exchange some words. The an upshot of this 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.640 is not only a great song, but an incredible video 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.320 where he went to What's for me a sacred place. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.600 You went to the set of the Wheel of Fortune. 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.080 I mean, I assume that was the real said, I 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.080 feel like, you can't you can't fake that. It was 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:22.920 the real set that was. That was like kind of 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:24.680 one of my one of my things. I was like, 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:26.840 if we're gonna do it, we're gotta do it for real. 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.560 If we're gonna fake it, like I will know too 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.679 many of the details to know it's fake, right, you know, 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.360 because I grew up watching I watched two shows growing 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.280 up all the time. Is that in the Simpsons. So 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.440 I was just like I was starstruck walking in you know. 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.280 It's just like it's everything you hope it would be. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.680 The wheel is smaller but twice as heavy as you 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.400 think it is. Ah yeah, you see them like kind 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.080 of grunt when they go to spin it. That's real. Okay, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:50.720 Oh yeah, I don't know what. I don't know what 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.960 makes it so heavy, but yeah, oh man, Morgan got 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.400 to be Vanna White, which I'm told is harder than 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.800 it seems, way harder. She had you gotta like really, 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.240 you know, it's a screen now, so you would think 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.160 it would be easier to hit the screen, but it's 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.320 you gotta like really get in there. It's such a 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.640 great video and you you play multiple characters. You're like 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.120 Eddie Murphy in there. You're your pat say Jack, and 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.760 you're the three contestants. I love the characters. I mean, 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.880 the cowboy guy kind of reminds me of Burt Reynolds 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.919 on the S Live Celebrity Jeopardy. That was our exact reference. 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.440 You nailed it. Yeah, Oh my god, tell me tell 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.400 me about all those uh those folks. I love doing 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.960 impressions and playing characters and stuff. So when we were 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.360 picking the characters though, I was like, Okay, they each 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.920 have to be like a little part of me or 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.040 somebody that I know so that I can like really 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:41.080 deliver the one liners and the stupid jokes. So I 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.840 grew up in Texas. That's the cowboy you know. All 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.600 of my all of my my family has, you know, 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.400 those weird sayings, the terrible mustaches and never take their 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.760 cowboy hats. Off the nerd. I am like secretly a 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.360 total nerd that that that's like me on the inside. 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:02.240 Clarence and then the emo kid not apologetically went through 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.520 quite the quite the emo phase. Oh yeah, taken back 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:07.840 Sunday Saves the Day. That was my that was my 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:11.520 my youth. Yeah, totally totally. I had I had a 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.400 black pink and black mohawk. I had the leopard spots 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.800 in my hair for a little bit. I bleached it. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.719 I bleached out black hair dye to put more different. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.480 It was just like my hair was just like you 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.960 could break it. Path. Yeah, No, I missed the I 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.560 missed the the eyeshadow and skinny jeans days. I have 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.960 to say I still try to get them as skinny 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:30.920 as they'll go, but I'm not as flexible as I 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.560 once was. Well, it is an incredible video. Tell me 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.400 about the track Her, which I know was a collaboration 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.400 between you and your buddies and the and the Jonas brothers. 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.040 How did that song come together? Yeah, kind of right 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.600 when I was getting off of the Happiness Begins tour. 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.560 I was kind of talking to them about where I 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.640 wanted to sound to kind of head and I, you know, 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.680 I started giving some details of like, you know, a 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.800 little bit, I want the pop punk me to be 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.200 involved in there. I want, you know, kind of my 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.200 love of eighties music to be in there, and um, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.159 you know, I kind started describing it and Nick was like, 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.760 I think, I think I have a song that you 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:09.120 might want to use, and Joe was like, oh, yes, absolutely, 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.400 and so they played me to chorus and I was like, yeah, 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.040 that that's that's that's pretty much it. And uh, they 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.159 let me do my thing to it and then put 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:17.760 my spin on it and make it my own and 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.000 then you know, there it is. So you go way 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:21.480 back with the Jonah Spars. I mean, you said you 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.400 opened for the tour in en Happiness begins tour, and 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.799 you're you're on the road with them, I think now 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.080 on a new tour, which we'll talk about in a minute. 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.400 How did you first connect with them? Are our real 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.240 friendship started over a love of baseball. I the first 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.280 time I met Nick was actually at a Dodgery game, 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.200 and uh, we had some mutual friends, so I he 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.600 and I are probably the two shyest people in the world, 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.200 so we just I walked up to him and I 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.960 was like, hey, I know so, and so he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.479 and uh, you know, but then you know, to Tequilas 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.400 later and we're best friends already. So yeah, I met 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.680 I met him that way and Joe Joe and I 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.640 kind of met not long after that, and he wound 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.800 up directing a video for me, and uh, you know. 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.359 After after that, the rest is history. And now I 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.560 get to go on the biggest tours in the world, 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.400 which you know is definitely a perk of the friendship. Well, 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.480 here's the question for you, who's most likely to win 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.640 at Fortnite? Joe and I play every day, so I 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.640 can tell you with a hud certainty that Joe will 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.320 win at Fortnite over all of us beat Okay, yeah, yeah, 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.400 I barely make it every day, even on the road, 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.840 or especially on the road, I guess maybe ask yeah, 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:28.560 I mean, if we have WiFi on the road, we 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.320 will we find a way to get in there and 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.600 do it. You just kicked off what I think like 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.440 a couple of days ago, your first in something like 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.680 sixty dates with them. How is it getting back on 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.320 the road so far? It was crazy. I was so 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.840 excited going into it because playing live is my absolute 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:48.360 favorite part of anything music. But I underestimated how good 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.320 it would feel to walk on the stage in front 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.919 of a bunch of people. I I stepped foot onto 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.880 that stage and immediately was ear to ear, grinning, like 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.040 it's just the excite. I did realize how much I 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.120 missed that excitement. It's so I'm so excited to just 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.280 keep going. We have a day off today and I'm like, no, well, 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.320 lot's changed since you you went on the road last. 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.920 You become a husband and a father. How is that 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:13.920 factored into going on the road. Is it tough to 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.640 kind of balance the being a gig musician with being 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.160 a family man. Yeah, I mean it's it's it's not 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.760 a tough challenge. It's just a different challenge. My wife 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.680 is awesome, and so she's so supportive about it. And 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:27.920 you know, I'm gonna come home as much as possible 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.840 on the West coast just so I can see Row 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:31.960 my daughter, and then you know, once we get to 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.000 the middle of the country, they'll come visit a little bit, 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:35.960 and then once we're on the East coast will come 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:37.920 out there and I'll be able to kind of come 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.320 back and forth to New York. So we're we're figuring 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.320 out a way to make it the easiest adventure possible, 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:47.240 but it's definitely an adventure. Nonetheless, Rose, gotta see your dad, 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.280 do was think at those big headphones on? Yeah? I 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.080 want to see her little peanut head with those giant headphones. 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:58.240 She's so adorable. Congratulations. Has become a dad changed your 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.480 your approach to music at all? Totally? I think I'm 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.720 just I'm just I'm so happy. You know, as cheesy 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.400 as that sounds, you know, I'm so happy. I already 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.360 liked making happy music, but now there's just like this 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:15.520 element of humor and honesty that wouldn't be there normally. 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.040 You know that I would maybe take my I would 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.160 take myself a little more serious and and maybe kind 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.840 of dial a few of those back. But now I'm 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.440 just like, you know what, I'm I'm here, and here 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.040 I'm dancing around the house with a baby and and uh, 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.360 you know, having phone with my wife, and so I 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.560 get into the studio and it's just like I can't 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:45.400 turn that off. I think it's just more fun. Damn. 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.720 I mean, being a first time parent during lockdown. My 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.280 sister's going through that right now herself. That's no joke. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:54.040 How is how's that experience been for you? It's far 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.839 less scary than I thought it would be. Right before 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.480 she was born, I was like, oh god, I'm responsible 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.600 for a human being. This is gonna be that. You 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.199 can barely take care of myself. But then she's there 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.679 and you see your face and you hear those first 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:08.840 little noises and you're like, holy sh it, this is 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.080 just the coolest thing I have ever done, you know. 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.720 And then every day she changes so much, so it's like, 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:16.840 you know, it just keeps you on your toes in 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.760 the sweetest way possible. Oh that's the thing I did 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.520 not expect with with my niece. Like a week goes 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.280 by and you're like, you're you're different. Stop stop no, 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.080 yeah exactly, And then the tooth pops out and you're like, 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.600 what is that. You're supposed to get those and they're 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.319 not gonna start falling out, And then it's it's crazy. 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.640 It's so much fun though, it really is. I sound 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.240 like a broken record, but it's it's the coolest job 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.400 I've ever had. Is she into music yet? My my 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:42.640 brother in law plays guitar for my my niece and 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.280 she just squeals and kicks and stuff as row in 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.520 the music. Oh, it's crazy. It's like you you put 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.400 on any kind of music and she immediately kind of 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.959 starts bouncing. And then I don't know how she knows 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.520 to dance harder during the chorus, but like the chorus 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.520 hits and she just like lights up a little more, 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.360 and I'm just like, it's it's so cool to see. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.000 And I don't know how she understands it so well, 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.160 but she does. So, you know, she wants to start 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:07.920 a band with me when I'm an old man. We 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.040 can do it. It's gonna say it's innate and center 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.679 center blood right. Oh man, have you been getting parenting 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.520 advice from from your dad? You know he kind of 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.760 minds his own business a little bit. He uh, he 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.480 chimes in when I asked, But you know he's he's 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.520 been more useful for just a place to event to, 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.080 you know where I'm like if I do something, I'm 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:30.920 like afraid I'm doing it wrong, or like is she 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.320 gonna am I gonna be gone too long here? Or whatever. 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:36.440 He's he's really good about to take it easy. It's 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:40.440 she is permanent. She's not going anywhere you need to go. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.400 Take care of yourself, have fun, and and do your thing. 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:47.640 So he's better for that. He kind of he likes 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:49.800 to sit back and watch us figure it out. That's cool. 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.480 That's a great resource to have. I mean, he's obviously 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.160 so famous for giving his advice. Is he ever a 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.079 sounding board for you with your music? Do you ever 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:58.880 play him stuff and say, you know, what do you 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:03.720 think of this? Hell? Anything? No? No, he is. He's 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.319 He's my biggest fan. He I sometimes have to not 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.600 give him music too soon because no matter how many 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:11.199 times I tell him not to play it for people, 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.000 he plays it for everybody. Oh he's proud. He's proud, 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:15.880 I know. But I kind of have to wait till 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:17.800 it's a little more finished to give him, to give 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.079 him the new songs. But he's the reason I love music. 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.440 I grew up with music always playing in the house. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.720 He can barely play the radio, but he does love music, 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.079 So you know, I grew up with all kinds of 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.640 music playing throughout the house. Oh man, like, what any 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.439 any songs you here to this day? And think, oh 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.600 my god, I'm I'm tann and I'm in the yeah 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.960 dead Man's curve, and do what did he are the 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.200 two songs that I feel like, looking back, he played 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.679 way too much Jane Dean songs dead Man's Curve of course, 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.280 and then, uh, you know the one that I don't 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:49.480 mind that he played all the time. It was a 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.000 whole lot of love. So that one's on there too, 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:53.679 but I can't really make fun of him for that one. 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.880 So what are some sounds that that made you want 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.040 to make music? Were there? Are there any any groups 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:00.760 are in a particular song song is that really like 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:02.760 inspired you to say, you know what, this is what 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:04.600 I want to do with my life. Yeah. I think 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.040 the first like aha moment for me. My second concert 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.120 I ever went to was Tina Turner and uh yeah, 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.880 and it's it's crazy because on this tour we're playing 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:18.120 the venue I saw her, and so it's like the first, yeah, 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.120 the first time that I was like, Okay, I want 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.360 to do this. I don't know what capacity, but I 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:26.160 want to do this was her show there, so um, 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.800 you know, it's just she's NonStop, dancing, NonStop. Everybody on 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.640 stage is just competing to have more fun than the 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.920 person next to them, and it's just like it was 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.839 just this ball of energy just thrown right into your face, 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.720 and I never sat down, and I think my job 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.400 was just dropped the whole time. And I was like, 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.960 I don't know what this is yet, but I'm doing that. 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.080 You start off in bands originally, How does going through 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.560 this adventure solo? Now? How does that compare to to 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.800 being in a band? For you? Being in a band 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.600 was cool, you know, I missed parts of it sometimes, 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.680 but it's also like having five girlfriends at once, you know, 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.640 like everybody, everybody wants a little piece of everybody's time, 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.080 and you know it's you get there's like a it's 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.280 like you want to make a decision, you gotta take 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.200 it to the board, and everybody's got to vote on it. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.520 Somebody's just in a bad mood, whatever. And then I 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.520 did it by myself for the first time, and I 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.839 was like, Okay, this is easy, Let's stick with this. 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.080 And then I realized that I kind of get best 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.480 of both worlds because I don't like a rotating door 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.960 of just different musicians. So the band that I have 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.440 playing with me live are often the people in the 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.760 studio and that I wind up hanging out with it. 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.600 You get the best of both worlds. There was a 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.480 quote you gave recently, or you said that this new 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.240 music she and her are the first music that's really 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.520 authentically you. What do you think that is? Is that 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.760 just a place that all artists drive to get to 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.720 and you got there, or it does something that would 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.000 lockdown and being able to be more introspective and becoming 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:53.920 a parent or something. What was that? I think it's 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:55.840 a little bit of both. I think people kind of 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.040 rolled their eyes when you say, like, I finally figured 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.160 out what I want to sound like. But it a 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.880 lot harder than you think it is to kind of 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.880 take what's in your brain, what you're doing with your 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.679 hands and music and all of that and and your 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.080 voice and kind of combining him in a way that 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.760 makes a straight line to you. You know, that's your 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.760 musical journey. Like that's why you can't take for granted 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.480 the steps that you take to get where you want 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.720 to be. But then, yeah, I mean being in quarantine 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.280 and and being locked in the house and then locking 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.880 myself in a room to really figure it out definitely 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.400 expedited the process a little bit, kind of made it 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.600 more of a moment. So you know, I'm in a 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.200 weird way, I'm kind of grateful for that, like forced 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.840 time to sit and think. Is that something that you 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.240 would do every day like some people do yoga or 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.040 go jogging or something. Do you sit for a certain time? Yeah, 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:47.040 My my attention span is is way too short for that. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.840 But I try. I try, and then I'll just like 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:52.800 I'll just sit down to meditate, and then I'll just 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.160 like start staring into a corner and the the next thing 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.080 you know, I'm counting all of the the corners in 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.240 the room, and I'm like, next thing you know, I 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.360 don't even realize it, and I'm I'm playing a game 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.880 on my phone. That's why I've never been able to meditate. 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.800 And also mostly I I love music. I loved it 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.120 all my life. I can I I mess around enough 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:10.960 phone on a number of instruments. Never been able to 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.040 write a song in my entire life. I I get 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.080 two or three notes in and I just said, oh, yeah, 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.120 that's that song, that's that song, that's that song. I 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.760 can't and I can't get past that. And I'm thirty 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.040 three years old and I can't do it. Definitely feel 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:23.720 that vibe. I have to, like I have to sit 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.600 in my studio and I have to allow myself those breaks, 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.320 like I just it winds up shortening the process if 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.600 I let myself daydream and and get away from it, 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.920 you know. And then as far as that, this sounds 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.160 like that, and this sounds like that, David Foster told 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:41.240 me one time to never forget that amateur's borrow and 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.880 professional steal. So if you're gonna do it, beyond apologetic 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.160 about it and just own it. It's an influence, go 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.320 for it and rip it off. But you know, and 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.240 your own thing. There's nothing that Mozart didn't do before 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.360 all of those other people. So yeah, you hear that 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.240 again and again. I mean Don Everley from the Everly 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.320 Brothers just passed away, and you hear all these people, 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.440 I mean Lennon McCartney's harmonies was was that was the 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.200 Everly Brothers. I mean, you hear all the people that 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.640 they influenced. I mean it's the Beatles have said that 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.560 all they did was steel the Beach Boy's songs and 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:19.080 give them to you with a funny accent. Is there? 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:20.960 I mean, David Foster, that must have been just a 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.760 master class and in production and composition, like, like, what 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.640 are some other things that you glean from from your 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:31.040 time together. The best piece of advice I ever got 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.080 musically is from him, and he said, always be the 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:37.080 worst one in your band. Always be able to keep up, 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.280 but always be the worst one in your band, because 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.880 if you surround yourself with people that can outplay you, 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:43.760 not only will it make you better, but it will 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.360 make you sound better. And you will have more fun 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.040 creating with with that kind of safety net behind you 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.760 than you than you would feeling like you're carrying the 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.440 whole thing uphill. So there was that, and then he's 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:59.000 just a very honest person, and I think sometimes that 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.320 comes across as negative, but he's not. He's actually a 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.440 very encouraging person. He just does it in a very 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:09.080 blunt way. So if you start, if you're going to 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:10.880 play him a song, and you start with, hey, it's 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:12.760 not finished, you know, I still want to do this, 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.040 He'll just be like, cool, don't play it for me. 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.080 Then he's like, if you're going to convince me that 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.040 it's not good before you play it for me, then 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.760 it's not good. Don't play it for me. The message there, though, 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.160 it is be confident about your art. So I think 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.800 just the tough critic that he is kind of encourages 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.600 you to just be better and more, even if it's 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.520 false confidence, just just be more confident. Play a number 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:34.680 of instruments. Is there one among them that you prefer 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.760 to compose on? Piano or guitar or something else, Sir. 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.679 As far as writing it, I think it switches for me. 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.600 I started on guitar, so you know, at some point 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.800 that became just something I fought with, So I switched 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.960 to keyboard or piano, and you know, I was able 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:52.640 to write on that for a little bit. But then 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.480 my good old friend the guitar was sitting in the 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.720 corner being like, hey, you wanna do this again? And 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.159 so now I'm gonna in a guitar phase. I like 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.520 to just kind of sit on and just figure out 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.480 something that I can play and sing at the same time, 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.879 and then that usually turns itself into something that I 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.320 didn't even plan on. Do you have a favorite guitar? 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:14.040 I'm a huge guitar nerd. Yeah, well I'm I'm also 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.000 a guitar nerd. I have way too many of them. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.600 I like to record on a fifty nine Jazz Master. 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.880