1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: From the RAMS facility at Cal Lutheran. Welcome to between 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: the Horns, everybody on Miles Simmons, I am here with 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: DeMarco Farr. Call time out, Miles. Why when you get flustered, 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: call time out. I'll call time out, you mean, like 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: I did earlier too. We'll talk about it, we'll call 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: a new player, I know. So we're in a different 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: spot today than we usually are when we do this podcast. 8 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: We're in the cafeteria of the RAMS facility here at 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: Cal Lutherans during practice, and you know, they've got some 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: new rules under Sean McVay now, and so media has cleared. 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: The field during practice is closed. Honestly, it's standard across 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: the League's smart. Yeah, and it has not been the 13 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: case over the last few years, but yeah, it's the 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: it's the smart way to do it. Ye. Look, it's 15 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: week one new coaching staff. Yeah, I'm sure every coach 16 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: has some new wrinkles he wants to install with the 17 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: watchful eye of the media on him. I mean, look, 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: the less that gets out the better, especially for you know, 19 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: a new head coach. Yes, exactly, So that's why we 20 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: are in here. But we've still got a lot to 21 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: talk about and there's food here. Yes, there is some food. Yes, 22 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: the food is good. When you said cafeteria, of course 23 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: your face lights up. Um. But it's opening week and 24 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to ask you about you know, your 25 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: own career. Play these preseason games and you go into 26 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: week one, what's your mindset? And it's like wow, um, 27 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: you know it's funny. Um, the more years you put in, 28 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: the more years you're in the league, the different open 29 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: the different Opening Day becomes for you as a player. 30 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: I remember my first as the starter. Yeah, I mean 31 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: it was like the whole world opened up. It was 32 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: like your best Christmas Day ever, whatever, your best Christmas Day, 33 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: the whole world opened up. Yes, Like you know the 34 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: day you walked out of your room on that Christmas 35 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: Day whatever, your number one, and you saw every present 36 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: you wanted out there. It's just like that. I mean, 37 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: you're living a dream. It's amazing. And they're calling your 38 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: name first, yeah, you know. And then as you get 39 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: into it, like a guy like Andrew Witworth who's going 40 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: into year twelve, right, you know, you're being announced as 41 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: the starter in your twelfth year on opening Day. It's 42 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: a big deal. Man, transitioning from games that don't matter 43 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: to games that do. It's always an awesome feeling. Yeah, 44 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: you still get butterflies. Yeah, I'm nervous now, right, Yeah, 45 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: I am nervous now because I mean, look the haze 46 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: in the barn. So, I mean you still have to 47 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: practice and get ready for Sunday. But look, your offense 48 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: is in, your defense is in, your special team's plan 49 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: is in. Now let's hope the guys execute. Let's hope 50 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: the guys you kept are the right ones to get 51 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: this team in the wind calumn. So yeah, just it's 52 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: nerve wracking. So um, Sean McVay new head coach, Um, 53 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: what were your impressions of him from the preseason? Oh uh, 54 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: the first time I've ever seen a head coach with 55 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: a backpack. To keep talking about this, Ye see with 56 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: the backpack when he's coming walking around training camp. Oh yeah, 57 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: I mean going to and from meetings. I've never seen 58 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: a head coach with a BACKPACKA no, no, not not 59 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: on game day, but with a backpack. Yeah, it's just 60 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: a nice bag. Wow. Um, it's it's it's new NFL. 61 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 1: I get that. Um, but you can tell this guy 62 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: is football twenty four seven, Love it. Um I thought 63 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: he ran a fantastic camp. Yeah. Um, I thought he 64 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: got guys ready to play in shape. Um I thought 65 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: his game day Um presentation, now he presented his football 66 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: team to the world was amazing. Um. Now they just 67 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: have to get better and improve on what they've done. 68 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, my impressions UM great. Um. I was worried 69 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: about the age early. I haven't thought about it since 70 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: that press conference at all. Since his first introductory press conference. 71 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: Oh wow, he's thirty thirty one. That's too young. I 72 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: haven't said that since. What does means you forget about it? 73 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: Just watching him? Yeah, watching him go about his business. 74 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean he's all ball. Um. The only thing he 75 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: doesn't have his experience. The guy's got tenacity, got passion 76 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: for the game, and he wants to win. He wants 77 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: to make guys better. He loves talking football, so you know, 78 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: some coaches would rather get away from it. I think 79 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: he wants to spend more as much time as possible 80 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: within football. So it's been great to see him go 81 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: about his business every single day. All right, So let's 82 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: get into what I mean. Everybody knows this sort of 83 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: the story, and that's Aaron Donald is not here. I mean, 84 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: it is as if we're recording this story too. I 85 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: know I don't like it either, but we got to 86 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: talk about him. Yeah, but it's it's two fifty on 87 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: Wednesday as we record this, and you know, who knows 88 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: what's going to change over the coming days as this podcast. 89 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll be listened to. But he's not here, 90 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: and I think that essentially makes it really hard for 91 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: him to be able to play one. Let's play week one. 92 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: Excuse me. We're he to show up in the next 93 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: couple of days, which at this point I don't know 94 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: that we can even anticipate that happening. Yeah, I said 95 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: by Monday. Someone asked me right as the Green Bay 96 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: game was ending, and I said, if he's not here 97 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: by Monday, then I would bet Sunday is not gonna work. Yeah, 98 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: but it's funny. I just reminded of stories about people 99 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: that own exotic pets like tigers, Bengal tigers and whatnot. 100 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: Where are you going with this? Just think about it, Right, 101 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: they have to feed these animals constantly because if they 102 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: don't get their food, they're going to look for food elsewhere. Right, Yes, 103 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. I think I see where the 104 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: wheels are turning. I can only wonder and imagine how 105 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald feels. Right now, it's September. This guy has 106 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: been playing football his his entire life at this time 107 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: of year. Yes, now he's at home. That's going to 108 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: start to eat at you after a while. Yeah. You 109 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: hire a great representation to take care of you, and 110 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: they've done a fantastic job CEA representing Aaron Donald. But 111 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: it starts to become where you're looking for permission to 112 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: get back on the field, and that's not who you 113 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: are as a football player, right, Yeah, he wants to 114 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: play ball. I know he wants to be out here 115 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: with his teammates. Yes, but it is business. It is business, 116 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: and it is a business. And that's why, again, you know, 117 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: we've said this before on this platform, the negotiations have 118 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: not seemed acrimonious because we have not heard numbers, and 119 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: I think that makes a difference, and you might not 120 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: hear numbers, right, Yeah, So it's not like I mean, 121 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: people you know ask on Twitter all the time, what 122 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: is it that Aaron's looking for? What are the rams offering? 123 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: And I don't know. They don't want us to know. Well, Look, 124 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: it's I'm not saying he's a direct comparison to Tim Tebow, 125 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: but he's everything you want in a football player. Okay, 126 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: there's no toothache to Aaron Donald, except he's not a 127 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 1: direct com person to Tim Tebow because Tim Tebo can play, right. 128 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: But I mean so you're teammate. Yes, he's saying off 129 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: the field as well as on the field, in the 130 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: locker room, on the field, everything you want in a player. Right. 131 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: You've just reached an impass with a contract situation. This 132 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: is not personal. No, this is just business. And I 133 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: think that's why you won't hear numbers. Keep it to business, yes, 134 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: don't make it personal. Eventually it's going to work itself out, yes, 135 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: And that's why earlier this week it came out and 136 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: on mcbath's press conference, he said that he's had conversations 137 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: related strictly to football with Aaron Donald sort of throughout 138 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: this process, and he equated it or related it to 139 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: like chasing a girl in high school, where it's like 140 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: you're texting him and you're like you up your face, Gosha, Guys, 141 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: I wish you could see this like DeMarco's face just 142 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: kind of like opened his eyes. He's like, what, okay, 143 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: girl in high school texting? Well, that didn't happen when 144 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: I was in high school. Well, it did happen when 145 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: I was in high school. So I think we beat now. 146 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: It's funny. I mean, like, this is a weird thing 147 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: to go off on the Like, Yeah, when I was 148 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: in high school, that was when texting was first starting 149 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: to become big, So you know you still had texting 150 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: limits and so that's right. Yes, my mom had to 151 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: get a new texting plan because I started texting this 152 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: girl a lot, and it was it became a lot 153 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: of texts. So how did the date end? Well, how 154 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: did the date end? Yeah? That was my chuck woolery. 155 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: So how did the night end? Oh, well you're texting? 156 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: It was your mom changed plans for this girl. Oh, 157 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: I mean like we were together on and off for 158 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: a couple of years. That's not the importance it was, 159 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: but it wasn't. I don't know we can talk about anyway, say, 160 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: but yes, one one element of this Aaron Donald situation, Yeah, 161 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: I think his made a difference is that these guys 162 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: have been practicing without Aaron basically the entire time they've 163 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: been here, and I mean the new coaching staff, and 164 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: I think that does make a difference, mainly because it's 165 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: not like guys have not been getting reps, you know, 166 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: true guys had different guys have been getting reps at 167 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: that spot instead of Aaron Donald basically since the spring. Yes, 168 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: they so they even though Aaron Donald is this elite player. 169 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: And I'm not taking anything away from how you have 170 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: guys that have been repped in those defense, right, Yeah, 171 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: So if you get a Mac, it's all gravy, yes, yeah, 172 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: kind of, And it's not gravy because obviously he's under contract. 173 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: But you see what I'm saying. Absolutely, I mean every 174 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: team starts with, you know, as a D line. I 175 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: mean three or four guys that are going to be 176 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: our frontline guys, and some of them are gonna be 177 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: rookie summer, are going to be first and second year guys. 178 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: And I think this is what the Rams have. But 179 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: you want your best players on the field, no doubt. Yes, 180 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: but you can't coach people who aren't here. You can 181 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: only coach people who are here. And that's what I'm saying, right, 182 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: So that's that I think sort of does make a difference, 183 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: and some of those guys who have gotten reps um. 184 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: You look at the un true it's not untrue. Oh 185 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: my goodness, untrue, the unofficial. I don't know why. The 186 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: official depth chart. My brain just yeah, you were thinking 187 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: about that girl you were texting. No, I were you 188 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: were thinking about that girl you were tad. I'm glad that. 189 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: I don't think. No, I'm really not. I don't think 190 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: any of my friends in high school listening to the 191 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: Southernwise they would really be getting on me um. But yes, 192 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: the unofficial depth chart, I'm not going to say. That's 193 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: just I'm not going to give a tattoo over somewhere. 194 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: Come on, I don't have any tattoos. I'm too soft 195 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: to get a tattoo. But the guys that have been 196 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: getting reps instead of Aaron Donald, guys like Tanzell Smart 197 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: is listed at number one on that depth chart, the 198 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: unofficial depth chart, which is the word I was trying 199 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: to say, you were drafted to, Yes, and it was. 200 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: I mean, and I think we've seen him come along 201 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: really well the course of the off season program through 202 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: training camp. Yeah, he had the battle for his reps um. 203 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: Lewis Trinker pissade took all the starters reps. Yeah, now 204 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: in there, Tanzelle smart slowly started to come on. So look, 205 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: at some point he was going to play. I'm sure 206 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: he didn't expect to start. I'm sure they didn't expect 207 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: him to start when they drafted him. But yeah, it 208 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: is what it is. The guy's got quick, he's big enough. Yeah, 209 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: this defense is really front three, front four friendly. You know, 210 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: all the heavy lifting and you know, how do you 211 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: say this? Um, The more intricate part of this defense 212 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: is in the back end, sure, where you're veteran heavy. 213 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you can get away with a 214 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: rookie along the front. I think you can get away 215 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: with it partly and play pretty well. Yeah yeah, I 216 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: just get away play well, right, But because of who 217 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: he's surrounded by. You know, it's almost like when you 218 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: have I don't know, you're trying to integrate a new 219 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: offensive lineman into it, and you want to surround him 220 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: with a lot of veterans so that it can't elevate 221 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: his play. The one guy I feel bad for in 222 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: all this Aaron Donald talk is Michael Brockers, because we're 223 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: not talking about him. I mean, I was just going 224 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: to bring him up, and that's as one of those 225 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: guys who is surrounding Tanzel Smart because I think what 226 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: we've seen from Michael Brockers is really good this offseason. 227 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: And Andry he's huge, he's lean, yes, and he's experienced, yes. Yeah, 228 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: and he used to be the guy before Donald got here. 229 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: So if you have to somehow flop him back to 230 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: put him out over the guard for advantageous pass rushing situations, 231 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I'm okay with it too. Yeah, absolutely, 232 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: especially with the way he's looked so far, you know, 233 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: this year. I think what you're saying about him being lean, 234 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: I think that makes a difference. Yeah, and he's healthy. 235 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: He's to deal with a lot of issues last year. 236 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: You can be one hundred and twenty yards away from 237 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: where the defensive line is working out and he's the 238 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: first guy you see. Oh yeah, he's the biggest guy out. 239 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: Yeah see number ninety Yeah, and he can move so yeah. 240 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: I mean it's not like the cupboard is bear without 241 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: ninety nine. Yeah. Yeah, So I think Michael Brockers can 242 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: handle a lot of that. But also Ethan Westbrooks, I mean, 243 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: do you think he's ready to sort of step there 244 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: and contribute at a high level. One year four, he'd 245 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: better be the transition from backup key rotation guy to starter. 246 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: It is a level up, it is. Yeah, it's all 247 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: on you. You don't have the benefit of somebody going 248 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: in there and wearing them out for you, and you 249 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: don't have the benefit of watching on the sideline to 250 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: figure out the offense and then going in and picking 251 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: your spots. Yeah, now you're going to have to earn it. 252 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: The game plan that the offense is coming up with 253 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: is geared to stop you, right right, So it's going 254 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: to be a little bit different. Ethan Westbrook's not sneaking 255 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: up on anybody, so he's going to have to raise 256 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: his game. Yeah, you will. And it's funny to me 257 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: that Westbrooks is going into his fourth year because I mean, 258 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to this is a weird way to 259 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: put it, maybe, but like he and I came in 260 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: at basically the same time because I started this job 261 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: at the beginning of training camp in twenty fourteen, So 262 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: I've seen him kind of grow, yeah, you know, over 263 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: these last four years, and from being a guy who 264 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: some people did not expect to make that roster. I 265 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: mean you and I probably did in twenty fourteen because 266 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: I was hoping practice right right. But to where he 267 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: is now, I mean he has made continual growth over 268 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: these last four years, and I'm looking forward to seeing 269 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: how he will do in this role. Now. You're an 270 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: established guy now, yeah, Ethan westbrooks um And he's a 271 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: guy that if he plays his car's ride, you know, 272 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: knock on wood. He's lucky enough play ten twelve years 273 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: because he can play in anyone's defense, any scheme four 274 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: to three. He can play all four spots. He can 275 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: play in the three four. He's doing it now and 276 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: be pretty effective. So I love his tenacity. I love 277 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: how relentless he is. It's not the prettiest, but my god, 278 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: does he bring. He brings the boomstick when he gets there. 279 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: I just I love watching him go, okay, we'll give 280 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: you one more defensive line Fox. Because I know you 281 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: and I talked about him a lot, But what do 282 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: you like about him? He's a crafty pass rusher, He's creative. 283 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: I love rotching Robert Quinn because he's a creative pass rushing. Yes, 284 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: he just doesn't do things by rote. He does things 285 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: by feel and it's all effective. I think Morgan Fox 286 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: is the same sort of guy. Yeah, So if he 287 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: ever has a chance to go out there and obvious 288 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: passing downs, I think he's going to be effective going 289 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: towards the quarterback. But I bet where he his biggest 290 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: impact to this team is going to be against the 291 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: run because he has a motor that just won't quit. 292 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: And he's real smart. Yeah, he understands blocking schemes. Yeah. Yeah. 293 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: So I was so happy once we got through those 294 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: that forty eight hours of hell from the last preseason 295 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: game through cuts. Yeah, and then you find out that 296 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: he's still here. Yeah, but he's gonna have to keep 297 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: earning it for sure. I mean he's he's a young guy. 298 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: He was an undrafted free agent last year, came in, 299 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: was on the practice squad for most of the year. 300 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: I think he got up for one two games towards 301 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: the end of the year there. But I think through 302 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: training camp you've again he's another guy where you've just 303 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: seen the progression and you'll like what you see. Ye. 304 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: And I think that's why he's still here in that 305 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: he can play a good rotational role. He wants to 306 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: be he wants to be great. That's as you say this, 307 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: That's the thing I love about him. He just wants 308 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: to be great. Yeah. Um, so let's talk a little 309 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: bit about things. Are just happy to be here, you know, 310 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: what do you mean when they make the team or 311 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: if they're on a team, they're just happy to be here, right. 312 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: I think he wants to be great. Yeah, he wants 313 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: to go beyond just being here. He wants to tell 314 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: that in somebody. Guys always working, He's always trying to 315 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: find ways to get better, you know, just looking for tips, 316 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: changing up his workout routine, changing up his body. He's 317 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: always looking to get better. He's trying to find the 318 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: best possible combination for him. Well, I'll say this too. 319 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: I mean you see guys like Morgan Fox. I think 320 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: I saw Tanzel Smart the other day too, always working, right, Yeah, 321 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: and they're talking. They're not only they're working together, but 322 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: they're talking to some of these betteran offensive linemen. Some 323 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: of those guys talking to Andrew Whitworth and what Worth 324 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: is saying, you know, giving them tips and they're asking 325 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: him questions. And that's the kind of thing you really 326 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: want to see from these young guys, right, you know, 327 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: the one thing you can't see as a player, especially 328 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: when you're a down lineman, you can't see you. You 329 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: can see everything. You can see splits, you can see 330 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: backfield sets, even receivers, but you can't see how you look. Right. 331 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: When I was team Nice with Orlando Pace, a Hall 332 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: of famer, Yes, now, without me asking, he would just 333 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: start yelling out what I'm about to do, that's what 334 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: he's coming inside. Okay, he's going up field. Watch the 335 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: Spen move and he'd be dead on. So how how Yeah, 336 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: I can tell everything about your stance. You know you 337 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: watch me, I watch you too. Yeah. Yeah, So if 338 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: you can learn to be more deceptive and just have 339 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: one stance for every move, you're gonna throw it like 340 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: Robert Quinn. Yes, yeah, everything looks the same until it's 341 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: not exactly and then he's by you. So that's the 342 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: little things you have to work on. So asking and 343 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: Andrew Witworth smart. The guy's seeing every d tackle, every 344 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: defensive end in the league twice over. He's seen you 345 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: four times over already. Yeah, yeah, probably has. So speaking 346 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: of with um, let's let's talk a little bit about 347 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: this offense. And we talked about the unofficial depth chart, 348 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: which is the thing I remember got about. I did, 349 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: thank you, um. But one of those things that came 350 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: out of that was a lot of people were tweeting 351 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: me asking, Okay, well what's going on with Cooper Cup? Right? 352 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: Why is Cooper Cup now not on the starting lineup? 353 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: But you see Tavon Austin is. And my thing is, okay, ay, 354 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: we don't really know how this offense is going to 355 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: use Tavon Austin. And I think that's a good thing 356 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: because it means, as we were sort of talking during 357 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: practice when we were watching, like the Colts are not 358 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: going to know that either. True. When I was getting 359 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: ready to talk about Tavon Austin with you, I was 360 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: going through my list of gadget guys. Yeah, and a 361 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: name a guy you might know, Josh Cribbs. Yeah from Cleveland. Yeah, no, 362 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: Josh Cribbs very well, kind of a utility, multi purpose 363 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: type guy. Going through his list of starts, not that many, right, 364 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: but where he did start One time he started at 365 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: fullback Collie. I bet that's where he started on the play, 366 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: but that's not where he ended up, right, So Tavon 367 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, it just depends on how Sean McVay, and 368 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: this offense wants to start the game, right, Are we 369 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: going to start in this personnel group or this personnel exactly? 370 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: But they're gonna play a lot, yes, And I think 371 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: that's that's one of those things we can talk about 372 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: with them together. Right. This offense, to me, is going 373 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: to be really matchup based, at least just based off 374 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: of what Sean McVeigh has said throughout this entire process, 375 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: throughout this off season and into now, he is going 376 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: to look to take advantage of the matchups, probably on 377 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: a week to week basis, and I think that's going 378 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,479 Speaker 1: to affect a the targets that different receivers are going 379 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: to get and be the different personnel groupings that you're 380 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: going to get on Sundays. True. I think now like 381 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: with Sammy Watkins, if you're in Arizona or just anybody, 382 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: even with the Indianapolis Colts and I'm his name is 383 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: escaping met Davis. Davis their top corner who will not 384 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: play on Sunday, Right, But okay, let's go to Patrick Peterson. Okay. Yeah, 385 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: Now with the Sammy Watkins, you wouldn't have to stay 386 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: away from as much. You have a guy that can 387 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: match up with him, that you might say, let's see 388 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: if let's see if Sammy Watkins can beat Patrick Peterson 389 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: on this play before, just stay away from him. Anybody 390 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: that he's on is a race, okay, But sometimes the 391 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: talent level at receivers up is what I'm saying. Sure, no, 392 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: I and I agree with you on that, But I 393 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: think sometimes that's just kind of the game plan. You 394 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: stay away from that guy there especially ever seen. Yeah, 395 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: it is Aaron Rodgers. He plays that way. Remember the 396 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: game a couple of years ago Richard Shermany in Seattle. Yeah, 397 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: and Richard Sherman. I think that's the same sort of 398 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: approach sometimes with Patrick Peterson. You're smiling. Why is your 399 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: face like this? See Okay, I see it from both sides, 400 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: and it was great marketing by Richard Sherman. Do you 401 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: remember what the other guy had? No? I don't. Yeah, 402 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: they just went at this guy because he had the 403 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: corner was not very good that day, so why go 404 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: away from it? It's not which is the other thing 405 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers. It's not necessarily that you're staying away 406 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: from Richard Sherman. We just made money back here constantly. 407 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: You can't stop it. Yeah, so that's both sides of it. 408 00:19:54,800 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 1: But with Cooper Cup, with Robert Woods, with Gerald Everett, 409 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: and Tavon Austin, you have matchup problems all over the 410 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: football field. Yes, yeah, these are dynamic guys. Well. I 411 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: think the other thing about Tavon Austin is when you 412 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: line him up at certain spots and again we don't 413 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: know what that's going to look like. But say he 414 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: comes out of the backfield and then he's matched up 415 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: with a linebacker and the linebackers like, oh, or even 416 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: if he's on the outside, yeah, yeah, you know, in anywhere, right, yeah, anywhere. 417 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: You have issues if Tavon Austin is all of a 418 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: sudden somewhere and you're not necessarily prepared for true. If 419 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: the whole point of guys like Tavon is to get 420 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: him the ball in space, yes exactly. Yeah, And however 421 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: they can do it matchups, shift motion, line him up wherever. 422 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: Once they get the matchup they like, and he gets 423 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: the ball in his hand in space, you've got problem. 424 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: As defense, You've got big problems. Now. The other thing is, 425 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: of course, like you, you've got to get the ball there, 426 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: and you've got to catch the ball right. But at 427 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: the same time, if you can do that, and you 428 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: can make that something consistent that you can do man 429 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: like that, that gives you a really good weapon. Yeah, 430 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: and stay on schedule offensively, which means no pre snap penalties, 431 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: right because you know, if you're facing the first and 432 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: fifteen second and a mile, I mean, some of that 433 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: Tavon Austin stuff is going to go right out the window, 434 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: you know. But if you're staying on schedule and your 435 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: second and third downs are manageable and makeable when you've 436 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: got some gambledowns, so where you could catch the defense 437 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: flat footed. Yea perfect, that's perfect. That's exactly the way 438 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: I want you with Tavon Austin. And that's what we 439 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: saw again, Stokeland flat footed and guessing. Yeah, well we 440 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: saw the offense stand schedule, Yes, and you know that's 441 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: why they were able to get those chunk yardage plays 442 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: like we saw with the touchdown pass to Cooper Cup. Yeah, 443 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: it's funny. I'm sorry. I was thinking as you were talking. 444 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: M For Tavon to be effective, I think you must 445 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: have a lead. It's different when you're behind. Why it 446 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: just is, it's different. When you're behind. The defensive mentality 447 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: is different when you're when the defense is playing with 448 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: a lead. When the opposing defense is playing from in front, right, 449 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: it limits with you can do offensively. When you're dictating 450 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: and the clock is your friend, Tavan becomes a monster 451 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: in what ways? Just how does it change things if 452 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: the defense is playing from a head, It's almost like 453 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: you're not afraid to make a mistake, so you're a 454 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: little more aggressive, okay, going after things, running things down. 455 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: You may dial in a few more pressures and blisses 456 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: and dogs just to send more stuff at the quarterback 457 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: to discombobulate him. But yeah, when you're playing from a 458 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: lead and you're thinking, I have to get take the 459 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: ball away or we have to worry about this run game, 460 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: Tavon Austin with space with a flat footed defense who's 461 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what you're doing, becomes a beast 462 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: to stop. But when you're just facing eleven guys that 463 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: are running after the football with reckless abandon it kind 464 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: of it becomes tough for gadget guys like him to 465 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: get loose. Does it change things at all that Sammy 466 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: Watkins is now on this team don't you think so? 467 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I yes, I do. Yeah, Especially from that 468 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: kind of perspective, you know, whether you can get the 469 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: ball there or not, you're gonna have to honor a speed, right, 470 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to honor his ability to flip field 471 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: position in a blink. So that corner to that side 472 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: is going to be in peril, and that safety to 473 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: that side is also going to have to say, hey, 474 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: that's Sammy Watkins. Yes, So get a little more depth, 475 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: get a little closer, what have you. You're gonna be able, 476 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: Jared Goff will be able to recognize defenses a little 477 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: bit faster now that Sammy Watkins is out there, because 478 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: they're going to give things away long. You're gonna have 479 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: to tell a little bit faster. If you're gonna disguise, 480 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: move around whatever. Eventually you're gonna have to line up 481 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: in what you're in because Sammy Watkins is over there. Yes, 482 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: and we were sort of talking about this before. I 483 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: don't remember if I said it on our mailbag segment 484 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: or not, but one thing I would love to see 485 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: is just a shot down the field completed to Sammy 486 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: Watkins at some point in this game, because I think 487 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: that will really help open up a lot of different 488 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: things in this offense. Stay tuned. You know there's gonna 489 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: be one or two deep shots per game, possibly one 490 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: per quarter as a function of this offense. Yeah. Yeah, 491 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: I mean it builds. Everything is built. It's a building 492 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: block ABCD, and then bang, it's rolling. Almost anything is 493 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: available to you. Right. So, but we always start with 494 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: the run game. We start with Todd Gurley. Yes, if 495 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: you're controlling clock on the offensive line is doing its job. 496 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: Eventually that defense is going to have to adjust, and 497 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: then you'll get man coverage over the guy you want. 498 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: And then you take that deep shot. Yeah, and that 499 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: deep shot could be actually a seventeen yard slant that 500 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: he just catches and runs right. Yeah, No, it's true. Yeah, 501 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: catches it within fifteen yards of the line of scrimmage 502 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: and he does the rest. Look. I mean you look 503 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: at Sammy Watkins run and he looks wonderful like a Mustang. Yes. 504 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: What scares you more? Julio Jones deep or Julio Jones 505 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: catching a drag across the field. Oh god, where he 506 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: can just start running, yeah, when he gets the full speed. 507 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: I mean both scare me a lot let's be honest, 508 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: because Julio Jones is the best wide receiver in the 509 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: league not named Antonio Brown, right, but Sammy Watkins same 510 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: type of ability. I mean, he can get deep on guys, 511 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: he can go up and over, but when he catches 512 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: those intermediate passes, yeah, yeah, and he gets his legs 513 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: moving and he can get going and one mistackle which 514 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: means he's off to the races. Yeah, So a trade 515 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: happened as well, after all these cuts that we're going 516 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: out in the midst of things, Derek Carrier now comes 517 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: over from Washington, And what I think is interesting is 518 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: Sean McVay has basically said, look, this is a role 519 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: that we're filling for the injury to to Merrick Hemingway. 520 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: By it is a big injury, and I don't know 521 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: that people kind of realize, Look, the Rams are going 522 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: to employ three tight ends, and at least to me, 523 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: they have sort of three different roles. Now, what exactly 524 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: those rules are We're going to see once the real 525 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: games start. But Higbee, Hemingway and Gerald Everett to me, 526 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: all sort of are three distinct injuries and they're all 527 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: going to play. Right. There are times where we're going 528 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: to see thirteen personnel carrier is going to take the 529 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: place of Hemingway. I think more than he is messing 530 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: with the unofficial chart ways that Gerald Everett and Tyler 531 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: Higbee were sort of listed. True. While everyone everyone else 532 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: in the NFL is trying to figure out ways to 533 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: get the ball to their top flight receivers, or they're 534 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: looking for a number one receiver, whatever the heck that is. 535 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: You've heard that before, You mean the number one receiver guy. 536 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 1: There are some coaches that say, let me look at 537 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: these linebackers. How do they cover? Yeah, how do these 538 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: safeties cover? You know what, I think I have a 539 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: better matchup with my tight ends versus these guys. Yes, yeah, 540 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: so you'll start to see this group of tight ends 541 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: like in Washington, just reek havoc between the hashmods, just 542 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: tying these linebackers up. We said this before on the mailbag. Yeah, 543 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: with a guy like Gerald Everett, depending on who's overtop. 544 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: If it's a linebacker, can't cover him in a route, yep. Okay, 545 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: Now if it's a safety, you've got problems after the 546 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: cash because now it's a bigger guy that can stiff 547 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: arm you and get away. Tyler Higbee. Perfect guy to 548 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: have opposite of Gerald Everett. Yeah yeah, big guy that's 549 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: always going to be open, and he's a pretty good 550 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: end line blockers. So I think there was going to 551 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: be a need for a Twitter type and I think 552 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: they just got him from Washington. Yes, yeah, so a 553 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: move guy, a guy that you might not count as 554 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: a defensive player as the strength of the offense, like 555 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: when they call for how they line up either left 556 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: or right, you might look at him and say, yeah, 557 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: we'll go this way right, and here's the guy that 558 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: slips out and kills you for first down. So tough 559 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: loss for them, great pick up for the Rams. Well, 560 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 1: it's a it's an interest. It's a good pickup, I think, 561 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: because he knows the offense and he's going to be 562 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: able to play right away. Where'd you get that pizza? 563 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: And I couldn't resist this. Wow, you're asking people, You're 564 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 1: asking people who are not on the podcast right now 565 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: about pizza. She brought pizza in the cafeteria. She brought 566 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: pizza in the room. DeMarco is a salad in front 567 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: of him, right, and I want pizza. Okay, I'm sorry. 568 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: I lost my train of me too. When she brought 569 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: the pizza and I lost my train of thought. Uh, okay, anyway, 570 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: what would you say? We were talking about tight ends. Yes, 571 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: we were talking about Titans Dark Carrier. Yes, I don't 572 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: remember what my point was, you said, toughly. Yeah, and 573 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: then yeah, actually shout out to Erica Sherman. See she's 574 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: right there there you go, is you know, trying to 575 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: help us out? I help you. I'm good, I know 576 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: we're I'm at pizza. The point is Ark Carrier is 577 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: coming over from Washington. He knows the playbook, he knows 578 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: the system. That's the point I was trying to make. 579 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: And he's going to be able to play this week 580 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: because he knows all of that. You can plug him 581 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: in right now. Yes, um, coming over from Washington obviously 582 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: where McVeigh was off. I do wish you didn't need 583 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: to have him because I thought him anyway, Yes, Oh 584 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: my goodness, another guy that Jared Goff couldn't miss down 585 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: the middle of the field as tall as seven feet tall. 586 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: He's very tall, very very tall, huge, and was actually 587 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: blocking pretty well. Yes, in life, and that's what something 588 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: that mcbah brought up when the injury happened was that 589 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 1: you know, they wanted him to be able to do 590 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: a lot of things in the run game, and that's 591 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: going to be one of the disappointing as he was 592 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: really coming along blocking, yeah, the other shame. Yeah. So 593 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: it's sort of in order to make room on the 594 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: roster for Carrier, the Rams at a let go of 595 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: Corey Harkey, which is probably the most significant cut that 596 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: they made over the couple of days probably, I mean 597 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 1: just from a veteran standpoint, the fact that he had 598 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: been around this team since I've been here. Yeah, and 599 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: it's just a different thing. But it's the scheme fit, 600 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so that's why I 601 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: think Derek Carrier is here and Corey Harkey is not. Yeah, 602 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: I think Corey Harkey was better suited for last year's offense. Yeah, 603 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: three yards in a cloud of dust, where physicality, intensity 604 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,959 Speaker 1: was it was paramount. Here it's a little bit different. 605 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: You're going to need to catch the ball as well 606 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: as you block. Yeah, catching the ball for him for 607 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: tight ends in this offense is ultra important. Yeah. You 608 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: can't get away with just a h back that you 609 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: can line up and use as a fullback. Yeah, and 610 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: call him a tight end. Every tight end is going 611 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: to actually have to do tight end stuff. Yes, exactly, 612 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: So that's going to be a difference. But let's get 613 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: into the Indianapolis Colts. Sure, because they are coming into town. 614 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: They are O and O just like the LA Rams, 615 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: and they're coming without Andrew Luck, which is a significant thing. 616 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, what an advantage for the Rams defense 617 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: that you're going to see Scott Tolzine. With no disrespect 618 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: Scott Tolzine, but he was not picked number one overall 619 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: in the twenty twelve draft. True. Um, he is a 620 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: starter in the National Football leaguy as of right now. 621 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: So I mean he's good enough to beat you, so 622 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: you speak. Yes, No, he saw that the Packers game. 623 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: I don't remember what year that was, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, Yeah, 624 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: where he just threw for like four hundred yards or whatever. True, 625 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: Chuck Pagano's been there. Look, they're not going through a 626 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: coaching change, they didn't go through relocation. Um, they're down 627 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: their best player, yes, but it's a proud franchise, proud organization. 628 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: They're well coached. Um, they're coming to LA to win, 629 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: They're not. I'm here to lose. So there's a lot 630 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: of question marks on both sides. Um, it's up to 631 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: the Rams to just worry about themselves. You have to 632 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: play up to your ability. Look, there's still a lot 633 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: of question marks here on the defensive side. There's some 634 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: guys that we haven't seen yet. Yes, yeah, we don't 635 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: know how they're going to react. We don't with or 636 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: without Andrew Luck. I think you do yourself a disservice 637 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: by just saying, Okay, they don't have Andrew Luck, the 638 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: Rams should win. You're gonna have to go out there 639 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: and earn it. Well, right, I mean they've still got 640 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: guys like t Y Hilton can get past anybody, Yes 641 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: he can't. Yeah, they've got guys like Frank Gore, who 642 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how you can be a thirty three 643 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: year old running back in this league and still rush 644 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: for a thousand yards. But hey, he's still doing it. 645 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: Rams fans know who Frank Gore is. Yes, exactly. Until 646 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: Frank Gore proves otherwise, he is a legitimate running back threat, 647 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: and you're going to have to bring him down. I 648 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: think Frank Gore has had his best games against the Rams. 649 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: I would not be career his career best games against 650 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: the career right now, I would not be shocked. Yes, 651 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: at his game. We used to talk about the ultimate 652 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: Ram killers. Yeah, Laray Fitzgerald, It's Gerald, yeah, and Frank 653 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: Gore Yeah. Yeah. So he's another guy that you're you're 654 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: going to have to stop him. But if you look, 655 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: I think at the at the Colts right now, one 656 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: of the biggest things for them is going to be 657 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: their offensive line, and their center is an undrafted rookie 658 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: that is coming in right now to face the LA 659 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: Ram's name is DeShawn Bond. He's an undrafted rookie out 660 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,479 Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, and that to me is a hard task 661 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: when you're coming in against a defense that is known 662 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: for its line. Sure, you're an undrafted rookie and you're 663 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: going with a backup quarterback. Um, it's not so much 664 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: for a player, it's more for Wade Phillips. You know, 665 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: your center is the key to everything. Protections. He's making 666 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: most of the calls, he's set in the protection for 667 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: the quarterback when they're getting ready to drop back to pass. Well, 668 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: there's so many things you can do to confuse all pros. Yeah, 669 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: manage what you can do to a guy making his 670 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: first start, right, Yeah, so there's some there's some advantages there. 671 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: But look, I would bet that Indy have They've already 672 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: compensated for not having their first round center in there. Ye, 673 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: so I would bet their offense is going to be 674 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: pretty basic. But remember who's carrying the ball, Frank Gore. 675 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: Even if you've got people in the right spot. Yes, yeah, 676 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: it's no guarantee he's going down. So I did. Speaking 677 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: of Frank Gorgan, I did look up his career best games. 678 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: The top two have actually come against Seattle Division though, yes, 679 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: in division where he rushed over two hundred yards in there. 680 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: Oh a bunch. I mean, of course, if you go 681 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: through like look his top twenty five, I mean, you're 682 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: going to see Rams a bunch of times. But his 683 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: top rushing game against the Rams came in twenty thirteen 684 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: September twenty six, where he rushed for twenty times for 685 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty three yards in a thirty five 686 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: to eleven women. Yeah, in twenty twenty times twenty times 687 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: under in fifty three yards. I think he was only 688 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: tackled like twice. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if that's 689 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: if that's your rushing mark um. But also looking at 690 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: the Colts, um you have their secondary, it's young. They're 691 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: two of their top three corners right now without Vante 692 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: Davis are rookies. Then you've got another safety, Mali Cooker, 693 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: who is also a great player. Oh yeah, I oh 694 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: oh boy. Anyway, but he's also a rookie and so 695 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: he all in, he's coming off a bit of an injury. 696 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: So that's going to be a challenge for that defense 697 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: with a young secondary to go up against a Sean 698 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: McVeigh offense that marries the run game with the past game. Well, 699 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: and a lot of plays start all looking the same, 700 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: but then they're different. Well, let's have some fun. Let's 701 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: pretend Miles is the defensive coordinator for the Colts. Okay, 702 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: you're shorthanded everywhere, especially in the back end. Yeah, what 703 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: do you think your game plan is going to be 704 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: going against Jared Goff and this offense? But the weapons 705 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: that they have, I I'm sending everything I've got it. Okay, 706 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say, Like I'm gonna be 707 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: blitzing the last I wish I'd actually said it so 708 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: it wouldn't sound like I did, wasn't going to say it. 709 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: That's all right, you know, a fast faced game. I 710 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: would send everything I got at the quarterback and give 711 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: him less time to think. Yeah yeah, I wouldn't give 712 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: him time to pick apart my young secondary, right, because 713 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: if you do, that's what's gonna happen, right exactly? Okay, 714 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: sidebar real quick. Um. I posted this on Twitter the 715 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: other day. So I was playing Madden and the I 716 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: play in like sort of you do a fantasy draft, right, 717 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: so like all your players are different. But I was 718 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: playing against Teddy Bridgewater. He finished the game twenty of 719 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: twenty for three hundred and sixty yards with five touchdowns. 720 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: Cyber Teddy Bridgewater, cyber teddy Bridge. Oh, I thought you 721 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: meant you were playing against the real Teddy bridge Water. Okay, 722 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: she's supposed to be rehabbing computer Teddy me beat the 723 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: crap out of me. How do you go twenty for 724 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: twenty in a video game? For three hundred and sixty yards? 725 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: It was on all Pro, like all Madden. I don't 726 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,479 Speaker 1: know what was going on. There's no way you twenty 727 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: for twenty. That's what I'm saying. Everybody like misses one pass? 728 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: Come on, or the defense makes a play. I'm just 729 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: saying you're fired. Yeah. Anyway, So what do you think 730 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: the Rams need to do on offense this week in 731 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: order to sort of combat that kind of strategy and 732 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: get things going down the field. Well, I would bet 733 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: Todd gurl is going to play a massive role in that. 734 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. The best way to beat a pressure 735 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: team is just to run right through it. I mean, 736 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: it absolutely just demoralizes you. Or you can throw throw 737 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: your way around it. Um, there's a lot of motions 738 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: with this quarterback. With the way they use the quarterback 739 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: Jared Got, he's going to be on the edge a lot. 740 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: He's going to be moving, He's not going to be 741 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: a stationary target now. So I would have bet there's 742 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: going to be some busted plays to where he's gonna 743 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: have to be smart with the football. They've got me 744 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: throw it away, yeah, live to find another down, and 745 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: there's going to be some explosive plays. You're gonna catch 746 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: them with their pants down a few times, you better 747 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: hope so, because again, that's what this scheme the sort 748 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: of designed to do, and especially because look it's you 749 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: know what Sean McVeigh has done in the past. But 750 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: when you have a new team and new personnel, there's 751 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: always going to be some different wrinkles in it. Oh yeah, 752 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: that's gonna yeah, is going to work to your advantage. 753 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: It's funny when you talk to Wade Phillips about defense, right, 754 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: he already knows what you're gonna do against the front 755 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: that he just called because the other fifty coordinators that 756 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: he coached again, they've all tried it. Right. You know, 757 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: you got guys like him, like Dick Lebo just around 758 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: and seeing it all. There's you can yeah do When 759 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: I show you this, your natural reaction is to do that. 760 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: So we're gonna do this and that chess game never stops. Yes, 761 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: And defensively, what do you think the Rams need to 762 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: accomplish in order to win? I can't wait to see 763 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: Robert Quinn on the field. I can't wait to see 764 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: Robert Quinn as a stand up rusher, stand up outside linebacker. Um. 765 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: I think he's phenomenal. Um. If I had one wish, 766 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: it would be for him to stay healthy. Yes, period, 767 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: end of story. Coupled with Connor borrowing, two guys that 768 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: really compliment each other, just really smart players and can 769 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 1: really get act it, So that's going to be interesting 770 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: Mark Barron going back, Yeah, actually lining up and being 771 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,399 Speaker 1: an inside linebacker. Look, that's just so many possibilities, it is. Yeah. 772 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: I mean I would never ask him to go nose 773 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: to nose with a guard and say be tough. You 774 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 1: know what, I'd say, Run to the ball. Yeah, yeah, 775 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: go find the ball and bring it to him. That's 776 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: what he's done very well, and that's what he can do. 777 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: You brought up this the idea of this guy earlier. 778 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that you said his name though. Cavon 779 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: Webster is somebody that we have not seen on the 780 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: field really in game action yet. We've seen him in practice. 781 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: He's made plays in practice. But I think that's another 782 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: person that I'm looking forward to seeing on the field. 783 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: You know, that's the one guy that we don't really know. 784 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: I've seen him in Denver, seen him on special teams. 785 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: I've seen him out there with some of those all 786 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: Pro corners they have in Denver. He's played really well. 787 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: But now he's going to be going up against the 788 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: number one and number two receiver on the football team 789 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,399 Speaker 1: as the starter, the top cornerback on the football team, 790 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: and we haven't seen him in a RAMS uniform in 791 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: the game yet, right, so another question mark. But I 792 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: do like the way they look those two corners together. Yeah, man, wow, 793 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: that's how you draw them up there. Yeah yeah, And 794 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: we know what Tremaine Johnson brings. Its intensity. You can't 795 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: get the ball over his head. So I would imagine 796 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: that Webster plays in a similar fashion. All right, DeMarco, 797 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 1: any parting shot? I want some pizza. Yeah, that's that's 798 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: my parting shot. We'll go get you some pizza. No, 799 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: we're going to get pizza. I'm not gonna eat met pizza. 800 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 1: How come you're not gonna eat pizza. I'm trying to 801 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: do the low carb thing. That's wrong with you. I 802 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: don't know what with you? What is wrong with you? 803 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god? All right, everybody, thank you for listening 804 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: to Between the Horns from Dermaco. Far from myself. I'm 805 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: Miles Simmons. That is all for us this time. We 806 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: will see you next week. Pizza pizza, Yeah,