WEBVTT - Hairline Switch (with Janelle James) RE-RELEASE 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.480 I want to love seeing God damn right, who doesn't 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:08.840 want to make out on TV? It's pretty cool? I mean, 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:10.560 why the titty is still up in the head, you 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:15.560 know right, Let me make out while my titties are fresh. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.040 They're gonna soil eventually. I'd like it on wax as 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.000 evidence so I could show my kids later. You see 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.520 them titties like I wouldn't be back in the day. 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:26.960 I know you don't like talking about your papa's titties, 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.080 but I'm gonna show you. I need you to see 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.840 him just so you respect me. Goddamn it, boys, gathering 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:37.760 something to share with you. Everyone around the fireplace. I 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.280 have a big announcement. And your daddy ever tell you 0:00:40.320 --> 0:01:02.480 about this? Why chips in your racist mean she's turning 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:10.280 stuff you can't tell me? Yeah? There it is. There 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.440 it is, Ladies and gentlemen, here we are welcome to 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:18.880 another phenomenal, devastating, thick booty episode of My Mama Told Me, 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.400 the podcast where we dive deep into the pockets and 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.600 lack conspiracy theories and we finally start that go fund 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:30.960 me to recollect iced teas Ponytail. The man ain't been 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.880 the same since they took his ponytail from him. We 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:38.360 got to get that ponytail back by all means, by 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:43.240 any coast, we will get iced tea back his ponytail. 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.399 I am your host, Lake snick Herman. I am excited 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.560 to be here. It is hot in my house. I 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.680 ain't wearing no sleeves. We're getting it popping today. And 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.400 my guest today apparently she's not wearing no shirt, which 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:00.560 is very exciting for everyone involved. It's an audiocast, but 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.480 now you get to use your imagination, which is very funny. 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.800 She's hilarious. She's just so fucking funny. You know from Netflix, 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.040 you know from Black Monday. She's just hilarious. I'm a 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.320 big fan. Give it up from my guest today, Miss 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:19.480 Janelle James. Oh yeah, I haven't felt applause and so 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:31.160 long again one more time. I got you. It's nice, right, Yeah, 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.360 you haven't done any of the you know, the outdoor shows. 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.760 You haven't gone and ventured out. Two days ago it 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.920 was my first one with Chelsea Handler. But it was 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:44.000 such ah, it was such a huge ordeal and uh 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.240 that I'm not sure. I'm still trying to figure out 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.240 if I enjoyed it or not. It was so stressful 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.839 first show in five months, that weird thing of like 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.320 you're not comfortable doing your art the way that you 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.600 used to do your art. Tacked on top of the 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.560 fact that like you're putting couzies on top of your 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:06.160 microphone from spreading germs, it's all very well, that's not 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:07.880 even a half of it. It was a shoot, not 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.520 just a show. So this is SAG rules and it 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:16.400 is intense so to you know, sanitize and audience and 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.200 mask and isolation, and it's just like, yo, is this fun? 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.680 Just worth it? Yeah? I mean I got paid. I 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.640 was like, I had told myself I wasn't gonna come 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:31.960 venture out unless it's for a good amount of money. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.320 So they got me on that. But then I was 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.320 just like, yo, this is this is crazy. I don't 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:38.960 know if the money Now I'm like, I don't know 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.120 if the money was right. It was so much. It 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.560 was so much to deal with. So yeah, I feel 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:48.680 like after a certain point of success, we're all asking ourselves, like, 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.320 I don't know, I had planned on hitting there so quickly, 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.480 you know. So I once did a commercial where I 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.880 dressed up like a giant piece of checks mix and uh, 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.160 I hit that prettier in my career. I remember that. 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:07.520 It's not a fond memory. I'm not brand Uh nope, 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:12.080 well okay, And it was the internet. It was like weird, 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.880 no websites only you. No, no, not even any residual 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:20.240 checks to take the edge off your regret to be 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:25.480 a whore. We all do. The point is, we all 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.719 make choices exactly. Well, I'm really excited you're here today 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:33.720 because you came with a conspiracy theory that has been 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.360 very near and dear to my heart for quite a while. 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.279 And after some deliberating. We deliberated a little bit, but 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.720 you picked. I want to make sure we get this correct. 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:46.360 You said, my mama told me black men with bad 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:54.279 haircuts are perceived as safer in the eyes of white America. 0:04:54.640 --> 0:05:01.159 Is it a conspiracy if it's true? Yeah, but that's 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.360 what I say. I've heard it before, and I love 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.640 that you picked it. Tell me where this comes from 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.360 for you, Well, my mama first, but also I think 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:14.719 it perpetuates through Hollywood. Anytime the good guy steps on 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.800 the scene, that hairline is is all the way fucked up, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:21.320 you know what I mean. And so I think it's 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:26.840 so almost anti black to be walking around with your 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.359 head oh messed up. That It's like you gotta be 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.320 working on the other side, you know what I mean, 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.960 or trying to not working on the other side, but 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:39.000 trying to present yourself is differently then, right, So you're 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.159 saying that to some extent, this is like the men 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.640 or the people involved in this consenting to a shitty 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:49.200 hairline for the sake of like getting in good with Hollywood. 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.480 It started as a conspiracy and people are now using it. 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.520 You know what I mean, just my just my theory. 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.840 I know. Listen, there's no reason to run from this. 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.400 Let's dig deep. We all code switch some people here 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.200 line switch, you know what I mean. You're trying to 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:13.839 get trying to get exactly example James, her voice on 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.040 the phone calls some of y'all tell your barber he 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.440 don't touch that. I'm trying to get up to the 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:24.919 VP spot. You know. So I got my I love that. Wait, 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.440 your mother has this opinion. She shares this conspiracy theory. 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.000 Now I was lying. I was just trying to go 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.720 I'm just playing along. Good. Yeah, my mother, I'm from 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.080 the island, so we I don't know what our conspiracy theory. 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.440 We just have a lot of sayings that are rooted 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:42.880 in religion bullshit that I can Yeah, but this one 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:47.760 is I picked because I'm definitely no, it's a thing. Sure, 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.200 let's start digging into examples, because I do feel like 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.359 even for our white listeners, we have to imagine that 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.599 some of them are even confused about what a good 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.000 hairline is. Do you know what I mean? Like, I 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.640 can't imagine that that half the time they even know 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.640 when a black man has us. I would say, look 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.600 at any recent upgrade on the NBA. You know it's 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:15.080 a n that was looking a little different than they 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.400 were a couple of years ago. That's the new version 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.680 is the good hairline. That's that's look at you trying 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.360 to keep your money by not saying, Lebron James, look 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:28.320 at you. I was very professional of you. You're like, 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.960 I have to drive the Graham packer next to him 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.840 in a commercial coming up. You don't know, you don't 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.800 know he's sometimes you know, might right be a check 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.800 I'm gonna be but you never know. When individuals crossover 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.800 into a comedic comedy or whatever, they always crossed the no. 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:47.440 But I might have to meet this dude one day, 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:54.800 you never know. But yeah, Janelle James jam too, Oh 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:58.200 my god, I wish anyway, don't we all? But I 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.240 totally agree. I think that it to some extent. Uh, 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:06.480 there was a celebration of a lot of NBA or 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.680 sort of big celebrity figures at the point that their 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:18.400 hair looked shitty or is continuing to look shitty. Complicated. Sure, yeah, 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:19.920 I was just gonna say, if white people want to 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.800 know what we're trying to achieve here as far as perfection, 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.680 look to the ones that were paid for right there 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.920 you go that. Look, okay, look there were That's okay, 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.960 Now you're explaining something. So so a old lebron is 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:38.360 what we're fighting again, current lebron is what we are 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.320 trying to achieve. I said it. I've said it a 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.640 few times in other places, but I genuinely believe that 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.280 Jalen Rose made a deal with the devil to have 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:55.720 the hairline that he has. It is magnificent. Dude, up, Oh, 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:59.280 you don't know Jalen Rose. I'm not a BigMan ever exists. 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.360 He's more famous for being an Indiana pacer and then 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.800 getting uh, well he wasn't a pacer at the time, 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.720 but he took eighty one points from Kobe. Kobe scored 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.680 eighty one points on the Man and now he's a commentator. 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.480 And this is an example of a great headline. It's 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.679 what you're saying, fantastic. Oh. I'm like, wait a minute, 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.600 what do you okay? I thought you were saying the opposite. 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.440 I'm like, well, ship, what's the good one? If this 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.480 is awful? This? Yeah, this is pretty fucking perfect. It's 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.520 the perfect airline. And I have to believe that he 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.360 did something. He murdered an orphan to get it. Oh 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.880 he forty seven with this strong ass headline. Something going on? 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:38.120 Uh something at the altar and I'm looking at a 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:42.080 picture of his younger self and he had a low 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.920 he had the almost a buzz cut. What's that? Like? 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.600 What's the call? When the five o'clock shadow on your 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:55.280 all fade and the headline it's Chris Listen, it's never moved, 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.839 it's never in forty seven years. This is a conspiracy 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:04.280 right here, Jalen roses Hire, that's all that ship. Wow, 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:08.840 what blood did you drink to get that haircut to 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.560 stay exactly where it is in forties seven years? Oh? 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:17.120 My goodness, I am amazing this conspiracy specifically I think 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.600 was presented under the guys of black men. But do 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.640 you find that that also applies to women, that black 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.640 women in Hollywood are forced to sort of consent too 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:30.000 bad hair on ourselves, yeah, or just you know, white 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.280 people sort of like wanting that look so well, you know, 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.000 I definitely switch up, switch up the wigs, depending on 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.280 what I'm trying to go for it. You know, since 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:42.480 the girl gets uh braids or you know, uh color, 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:48.160 you know, corporate corporate lady gets gets the wig, you know, 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.320 the straight relaxed here, maybe a little fair or falset 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:56.600 and fair, a little uh, what's a little scandal, little 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.360 carry Washington, that's standard the last couple of years. I 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.320 got you. So you think the sisters in general are 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.240 getting a little more grace when it comes to their hair, 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.920 that they're having more options to choose. I don't know. 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.319 In Hollywood, I mean, I don't know if it's grace. 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.680 We're all also constantly trying to figure out what hairstyle 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:23.040 is least scary to white people, or or or just 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.760 the right enough black that they're like, Okay, we got 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.760 a black person, but not too black that she's gonna 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:32.520 call us on our ship. Right, if you twist that 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.720 all the way to the scout, you're gonna cause some problems. 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.200 It's gonna be tighter or that, you know what I mean, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.560 She's not gonna like my jokes and ship, you know, 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:46.280 So that's fair. I think what's fascinating in this conspiracy theory, 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.760 or certainly has so much to explore in this conspiracy 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:55.440 theory is what the intention of the sort of white 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.840 Hollywood is in controlling black hair? Do you know what 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.559 I mean? Like, what what's your goal here? What is 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.800 what are you ultimately trying to achieve in your control 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:10.560 of black hair? Well diversity without being too diverse? Mm 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:16.160 hmmm without without I don't know what's scary to uh. 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.960 I mean, there's pretty conceived notions about different types of hairstyles. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.319 So if you got dreads, you're radical, or you smoke weed, 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.920 or you know, if you're natural, maybe you in the 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.440 front of the Black Lives Matter protests or whatever they think, 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:35.640 which isn't necessarily true, but in Hollywood don't really move quickly. 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:37.760 So the same stereotypes they had in the eighties are 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:39.880 the same one they judging us by now you know, 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.640 I changed my hair every five seconds, so who am? 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:47.600 Who am I? But you know, I'm sure you show 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.760 up to work and they're like, that's a new lady, 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.120 so fast. It was you had a bob yesterday and 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.640 it's down to your fun. You black people are amazing 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:02.719 Black girl magic. Anyway, I think you're making a very 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.200 valid point that so much of this is rooted in 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:09.760 like antiquated stereotypes, right that, like what white people were 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:15.760 scared of in nineties six about black associations and hairstyles 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.040 is still the exact same thing that they're pretty much 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.240 afraid of today. I feel like, you know, outside of Hollywood, 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:25.000 it's still true that white people don't have many encounters 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:28.079 with black people, so they still everything they believe is 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.960 still what's on TV or what they saw back then, 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.000 and then I don't think they until recently even went 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.040 out of their way to see us. So it's just 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.120 what they happened to see in a movie with a 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.880 black person one time. You know, they're not necessary seeking 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.000 out black entertainment. Always say that this what's happening now 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.680 with diversity and always having to include a black person 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.920 or one of each and all of that I don't know. Sure, 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:54.280 I'm happy for the work, but I don't know if 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.920 that makes better products. And it's not realistic because a 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.680 lot of white people they hang out with people that 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.800 look like them. It's it's yeah, I hate when I'm 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.440 watching a white production and then here it comes as 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.600 black dude, like, yo, what up? Like they would never 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.320 be friends, you know what I mean. And you don't 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:14.080 have to trick me. You don't have to wedge this 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:18.840 person in here because you feel bad about not casting someone, 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.360 Like like writing the story with a black person in 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.000 it just right. You write the story you know how 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.760 to write, and hopefully the story you know how to 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.320 write includes black people. But it shouldn't just be you 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.160 turn this into a black character for a reason. And 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.520 what would happen in the eighties is not eighties. In 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.800 the nineties with the black guy that would show up 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.600 with the hey what up? Would always have a blacks haircut, 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.040 would always have a wack haircut. And I think that's 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:48.080 just stuck right, And I think part of it is 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.640 like you can't have the one dude show up who's 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.440 like the best friend and he looks sexy and flexy. 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.680 You tried to show up and look like average and 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.280 something that can fade into the background. We don't need 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:03.280 this mother. Well. Also, I think just from experience, dudes, 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.720 black dudes who's walking around with them type of head cuts, 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.320 grew up around white people. They're going up, what's the 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:15.560 what's supercut? Super cut? Exactly? They and you know, letting 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.640 barb cut their here or whatever. I mean, I've lived 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.160 in neighborhoods like that, where's no black barbershop, where else 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:24.760 you're gonna go? You know? So uh as a as 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.840 a I've only been a victim once, but as a 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:32.120 former victim of super cuts, I can't say I can 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.200 say that it's never going to turn out to be 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.840 the experience you wanted to be. I wouldn't imagine why 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:42.120 you would think that, But you know, when you're a 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.640 boy growing up in the suburbs, you get desperate. You 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.520 start to think, like, I want to look good. Maybe 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.560 this this white lady can help me out. I've done 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.520 my kids old school where I just went on some 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.440 YouTube bens and said, let me figure out how to 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:59.280 cut this ship, because I don't you know, I mean, 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.280 we're at a certain point. My mom was cutting my 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.280 hair and she wasn't good at it, and YouTube didn't exist, 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:09.280 so it was like she's just like making some ship 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.080 up and it wasn't helping. And then I thought like, oh, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.080 I'm gonna be a big boy and independent and try 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.960 this on my own. And you know, you you funk up. 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.200 But so and so did they cut your hair with 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:28.000 the scissors. Of course, that's that's where they start. And 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.520 then you walk out You're like, okay, line me up, 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.040 and then you got bangs. For some reason, it's just, 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.000 you know, I feel like that's the writer of passage 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.240 from black people here, Like I've definitely sat down in 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.000 a white woman's chair, Like actually that just happened to 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:44.280 me on sat where it's so funny because because of YouTube. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.680 This is off topic, but because of YouTube, and I 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.840 appreciate it. You know, there's the white hair solids are 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.080 trying to learn about black hair more. And this woman 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:55.920 was so proud of having some edge control gel like 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.400 she pulled it out, Like before she pulled it out, 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.800 her face was beaming. I was like, what was she 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.760 about to pull out? Because she was like, I'm about 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:07.280 to fucking blow this chick's mind. Like and she pulled 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:11.439 out this edge control and brush, and she's like, should 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.720 I do your edges? And I just she couldn't wait 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.360 to say that, you know, she was up all night 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.159 and look how nice I am. I said, sure, I 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:22.679 ain't need a head that ship. But I was like, 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.919 you look so excited to crack open and it was fresh, 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.600 not one fingerprinting that ship. I was the first. She 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.879 killed it, no meaning when she opened the gael, I 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.240 was obviously the first. She hadn't even put her finger 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.560 in it yet it was a fresh move surface. I 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.440 was the first edges she had ever brushed down. She 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:44.760 was cracking the seal on this edge control jail exactly. 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.600 She was waiting for you, and and to your point, 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:53.480 that's very nice that she tried. But whatever. The more 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.119 wanted alternative is that they left black people into the 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.960 unions for her styling on sets. But anyway, so that 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.320 would be so ideal, I too have had some horrifying 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.679 that stories where it's just like you show up and 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.120 they don't have a black barber, and if they do, 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.200 it's not really a black barber. It's just like somebody 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.440 who qualifies as being able to do ethnic hair, which 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.680 doesn't mean anything. It's like you know what I mean, 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:25.439 goddamn thing, black hair, That's what I wanted. Do you 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.719 know how to be a nigga and a barbershop? Can 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.159 you cut my hair while you tell me about you 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.480 cheating on your wife? The kind of energy I need 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.720 to get a solid hair, do you know what I mean? 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.040 So that brings us back to our conspiracy and that 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.760 I think part of the reason black dudes with horrible 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:45.480 haircuts are more palatable and safer to white people is 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:49.719 that they know that they're not experiencing the indoctrinate nation 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:54.000 or what the is the indoctri nation of black barbershops. 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.359 Who knows what they think it's happening in there. Probably 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:00.639 they think we in there getting radical make plans with 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:06.159 each other. Whoa theory? Wait, I'm must Let's take a 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.840 step back. I really thought about this. You might have 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.879 just you might have just cracked open something that I 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.560 need you to really explore this. This brings me to 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:16.520 a section of the show that I like to call 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:20.399 talk that talk, and what you're suggesting is groundbreaking in 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.720 a way that I never expected. So, Janelle, I'm gonna 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.600 give you thirty seconds, thirty seconds to just break down 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:29.439 exactly what you mean about this potential indoctrination from the 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:34.600 black barbershop. Whenever you're ready, I'm ready. So I think 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.560 black barbershops is one of the few spaces that white 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.399 people have not gentrified, and so they don't know what 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.000 the fund is happening in there, and usually just based 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.199 on behaviors that are and things that are happening and 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.360 have always happened, they for whatever reason, having their head 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.120 that anytime we're left to our own devices, that we're 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.879 plotting against them. So if you're in a barbershop with 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.360 the fresh fade, oh and don't have a fresh line 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.000 up all the time, I mean you and this so 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:05.520 much who knows what? They are? Scary scared of the unknown, 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.240 which is is the basis for a lot of basing. 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:19.240 There is oh man, that's okay, now, okay that oh, 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.720 now you crack something open, because I think that's exactly right. 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:26.000 I think there's this constant fear of what we're doing 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:30.040 without them, and so they are essentially making us get 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:32.919 our hair cut by white people or by sort of 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.400 like their insiders, so that they can avoid the risk 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:40.320 that we're constantly treading in this space that they're afraid 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:45.240 to enter on their own, and then there's a constant 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.280 risk that maybe if I'm alone with my barber, I'm 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.800 gonna be planning some sort of like terrorist attack against 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:57.480 the the white community who cut by a dude who 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:01.480 has bad opinions about like women and Lebron Like I don't. 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:04.240 It doesn't have to be all that well, you know, 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.080 I found that white people think we think about their 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:09.440 way more than we do. So that's what I think 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:13.640 is happening. Uh, Honestly, this changed everything for me and 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:17.480 I I've got more reading to do because this is powerful. 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.160 All Right, We're gonna take a break and then we're 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.520 gonna be back with more Janelle James and more, my 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:44.000 mama told me. And we are bad anyway. Yeah, We're 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:46.800 back here with more Janelle James and more. My mama 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.960 told me. We're still talking about those trash gass hairlines 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:54.400 that Hollywood approves and allows people to excel in their 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:58.280 careers based on the fucked up linings that they put 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:02.800 out in the world. Do you think this extends beyond Hollywood? 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:06.560 Do you think that this goes into other spaces of six? Yeah, 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.960 I mean every big purchase I've ever made that was 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:12.760 from a black man was with a dude with a hairline. 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:19.440 My car, my house is always a guy, come on back, 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:21.760 got the papers for you? That those only people that 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:24.200 they let get the papers, you know what I mean? 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:31.480 So I ain't never bought nothing expensive from a sharp airline, right. 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:35.160 I started thinking about it in terms of like politicians, right, 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:39.680 even beyond politics, like he sort of like massive figures 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:43.840 in history, Barack Obama not that great of a hairline, 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:47.560 Martin Luther King Jr. Ain't nobody talking about that fate 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.159 Nelson Mandela. You think they would let him be Nelson 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.000 Mandela if he didn't have that slick back afro do 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:56.520 you know what I mean? Like I will say Barack 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.920 cadd stuff. I will say Barack just like his pol 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.600 takes really walk the line of his hairline, Like he 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.560 has a hairline, but he ain't too sharp, you know what? 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:09.720 He's laughing to laugh like that's his that's his play. 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:13.199 That's exactly right, and we're not gonna you know that, 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:16.560 we're not gonna roast him. But then white people are like, Okay, 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:21.920 well it's fuzzy, it's funny. Sometimes he was like, hey, 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:25.280 line me up, but don't you hit them corners. Dare 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:31.119 hit them corners, you leave them corners. So exactly, I 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:34.480 can't afford for these motherfucker's to get uncomfortable with my corners. 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:36.159 I feel like that's how he lives life right in 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:47.679 the middle, right middle Real by Rachel oh Man. That 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:53.480 hurts my feelings. I have some research that I love 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:55.920 to unpack with you, because I do think that there's 0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:59.600 a lot of legitimacy to this conspiracy theory. One of 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:01.960 the things that I found, one of the as we 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.920 were measuring success, I guess the easiest sort of like 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:09.639 a measure of success or clearest measure of success was 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:13.000 to go to the Forbes list of billionaires, right, And 0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:16.679 of the two thousand, one hundred and fifty three people 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:22.520 listed on the Forbes list of billionaires last year, that's 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:27.879 saying that, no, you're right, hundred people are billionaires. That 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:29.960