Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: All about that.
Speaker 3: High school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them high
Speaker 3: school queens. We'll take you for a ride, and our
Speaker 3: comic girl sharing for the right teams, Drama, Queens of
Speaker 3: Girl Fashion, which you'll tough.
Speaker 4: Girl, you could sit with us, Girl Drama, Queens Drama,
Speaker 4: Queise Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens.
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, welcome back. Oh my gosh, it's season five.
Speaker 5: It's the premiere of season five. Four years later, everything's different.
Speaker 6: Understatement of the year.
Speaker 5: I know, like I wish we had had a lot
Speaker 5: more Internet back then because it would have been really
Speaker 5: fun to see. I know there were message boards, but
Speaker 5: it would have been fun to see like Twitter for example,
Speaker 5: our Instagram, you know, and there's just to really feel
Speaker 5: the crowd reaction because back then we were like, we're
Speaker 5: gonna try this thing.
Speaker 7: I hope it works, and you know, we can.
Speaker 5: Sort of guess that people liked it, but I bet
Speaker 5: there are a lot of fans out there who were
Speaker 5: calling each other and writing I don't know what do
Speaker 5: people do back then?
Speaker 7: Message boards again.
Speaker 6: Well, because there's so many misdirects. It was an episode
Speaker 6: of just like nope, nope, you didn't guess that right,
Speaker 6: Try again, kids.
Speaker 2: They did it so well. This was this was one
Speaker 2: of those where you go ooh. You know, they had
Speaker 2: all summer to think about how they were going to
Speaker 2: do this. They didn't have to turn over an episode
Speaker 2: in a week. They had a whole hiatus, and they
Speaker 2: really got in there with every little detail. And it's
Speaker 2: it's so fun now, knowing everything we know, to see
Speaker 2: this and realize that they left so many unanswered questions,
Speaker 2: you know, not only until the end of the episode,
Speaker 2: but even still the audience still doesn't know who Victoria is.
Speaker 8: I know, I was surprised at that.
Speaker 5: I thought for sure that was coming out at the
Speaker 5: end of the episode like okay mother or something so cool.
Speaker 6: Oh, we're talking about season five, episode one. Four years,
Speaker 6: six months, two days. I guess. I didn't realize this
Speaker 6: air in January. Normally our show would air in the fall,
Speaker 6: like September, right, and so this was a later premiere.
Speaker 6: It gave us more time to, I guess, work on
Speaker 6: this new approach. But yeah, that's strange.
Speaker 2: We did this have to do with the writer's strike?
Speaker 6: Oh there was a writer strike. It happened in this season.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're right, so remember because they were scrambling to
Speaker 2: turn in episodes ahead of the strike hitting so that
Speaker 2: we could keep filming when other people were going to
Speaker 2: have to halt. But I think because of there was
Speaker 2: a gap at some point. I do remember we had
Speaker 2: like a couple of weeks off before the strike ended.
Speaker 2: We'd run out of episodes, and so I think they
Speaker 2: might have they might have held the premiere until the
Speaker 2: winter so that there wouldn't be a gap once we
Speaker 2: started airing. It's fuzzy, but I do remember the strike
Speaker 2: being part of this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 6: I remember the strike in the library episode because there
Speaker 6: was a suggested line change that I didn't want to do,
Speaker 6: and I was like, no one can tell me to
Speaker 6: do anything different. Because for you guys at home, we're
Speaker 6: actually dealing with the writer's strike right now in our industry.
Speaker 6: But let's explain what a writer's strike means to anybody
Speaker 6: who's not in our business.
Speaker 2: Well, the writers, Just so y'all know, when you see
Speaker 2: that there's a writer on an episode, you know there
Speaker 2: is a there is a creator and a showrunner of
Speaker 2: a show. So the person who has the idea and
Speaker 2: who writes the pilot script and who essentially comes up
Speaker 2: with the whole world that your show's going to take
Speaker 2: place in. Sometimes, if those are young writers who have
Speaker 2: a great idea, they hire another showrunner who's more experienced
Speaker 2: to help them learn and make sure the show runs smoothly.
Speaker 2: But then they build a whole writer's room, so there's
Speaker 2: a full staff of writers and there are writers' assistants,
Speaker 2: and the room breaks story together. They come up with ideas,
Speaker 2: They board you know, half a season or a season
Speaker 2: at a time, and they start to figure out where
Speaker 2: all of these storylines are going to go. And then
Speaker 2: there's usually a writer or a pair of writers who
Speaker 2: get assigned to break away and do the first draft
Speaker 2: of the script which has been outlined by everyone, while
Speaker 2: everyone continues to move on with the rest of the
Speaker 2: season's work. So it's this really cool kind of cyclical
Speaker 2: space where they're juggling all the ideas and you know,
Speaker 2: they really help us craft these universes. We can't do
Speaker 2: it without them. And I'm sure you know this will
Speaker 2: be lost on no when you're all on the internet,
Speaker 2: you see that the studios are making record breaking profits
Speaker 2: every year for like five years running, and the writers
Speaker 2: are getting paid less and less their time in the room,
Speaker 2: which means the weeks that they have a salary is
Speaker 2: getting shortened. A lot of writers who are showrunners are
Speaker 2: being told they have to write their shows with scale
Speaker 2: ten teams, meaning they get like three or four writers
Speaker 2: in support instead of twelve to fifteen. It's it's unsustainable
Speaker 2: and it's unfair, and you know, I want everybody to
Speaker 2: do well and make money. But if executives are making
Speaker 2: two hundred million dollar bonuses at the end of the
Speaker 2: year and writers can't afford to pay their rent, we
Speaker 2: have a problem. So we would love to be working,
Speaker 2: but we would love for our writers to get treated
Speaker 2: fairly more so, strike baby, strike man.
Speaker 6: I mean anytime the industry makes like a big shift.
Speaker 6: If you guys have been watching our show since it's
Speaker 6: been on the air, it went from just airing once
Speaker 6: a week to there was TVO and you could record it,
Speaker 6: and then it was on soap Net, so we got residuals.
Speaker 6: But when new technology happens, like when Netflix happens or
Speaker 6: streaming or any of these new platforms happen, our unions
Speaker 6: have to catch up with how we can get paid
Speaker 6: for the work that we've already done. And so I
Speaker 6: love that we've got you know, unions to go and
Speaker 6: fight for us to do that. So we love to
Speaker 6: support to that well.
Speaker 2: And I think it's important too to remind people, you know.
Speaker 2: I actually it was such an interesting moment. I responded
Speaker 2: to somebody on Twitter years ago about this and I went, oh,
Speaker 2: we do need to talk about how we all work,
Speaker 2: like in all the industries. We need to kind of
Speaker 2: take the mystery out. It was you guys, remember when
Speaker 2: Alan Pompeo signed her huge deal for Grey's Anatomy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and she was like on the cover of every magazine
Speaker 2: and they were like, she's going to make twenty million
Speaker 2: dollars a year, and like, that's crazy, you guys. Ninety
Speaker 2: nine percent of people with SAG cards have second jobs
Speaker 2: because it's hard to make a living as an actor
Speaker 2: and people there were some people who were really mad
Speaker 2: about it. And I saw something somebody said and I
Speaker 2: just responded and said, look like, not to be angsty,
Speaker 2: but all that this means is that she's participating in
Speaker 2: the profits she's creating, and that show is worth billions
Speaker 2: of dollars a year to ABC. So if you think
Speaker 2: about it, she's actually not even making that much money,
Speaker 2: like she's just getting some percentage of what she's helped
Speaker 2: to create. But the interesting thing is you start to realize,
Speaker 2: like this stuff is really valuable. And it's just like
Speaker 2: you know, if you go work at a startup and
Speaker 2: you get stock, you participate if that company becomes Google,
Speaker 2: and you should because you helped build it.
Speaker 5: Shows like Montree Hill or Dawson's Creek or Grey's Anatomy
Speaker 5: which started before streaming. Our contracts were all negotiated based
Speaker 5: on the idea of residuals, and you know that we
Speaker 5: would be sharing in the profits that we are participating
Speaker 5: in creating based on things that re air on TV.
Speaker 5: It works, except now there aren't residuals because it's all streaming,
Speaker 5: so it's not being reshown on Most shows are not
Speaker 5: being reshown on network TV. Most people don't even watch
Speaker 5: network TV anymore. It's all digital. So it's it has
Speaker 5: been confusing, and yeah, when you look at like at
Speaker 5: the Allen Pompeo deal, it's it sounds crazy, but it
Speaker 5: based on what they're.
Speaker 7: Making on streaming now.
Speaker 5: And because she can't negotiate a contract on residuals.
Speaker 7: It's just a whole new format.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and to your point, Joy, what it means for
Speaker 2: our friends at home is this idea of residuals again,
Speaker 2: is if you sell.
Speaker 7: Our work or you're making an invention, get.
Speaker 2: Something out of Yes, the collective and by the way,
Speaker 2: the studios always make the most and the showrunner always
Speaker 2: makes the most. But you know it's supposed to be
Speaker 2: something like I've gotten residual checks for six dollars.
Speaker 6: Oh girl, Yeah that eighty three cent check. Eight.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're you're like tweet.
Speaker 2: Till it's over a dollar because you're wasting the stamp.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, please direct deposit.
Speaker 2: The trick of streaming is that shows will go and
Speaker 2: get sold as a package for a lot a lot
Speaker 2: of money, and everyone who made that show, except for
Speaker 2: like maybe the Big Boss, doesn't get any of it.
Speaker 2: And it's weird to think that, like your work, your time,
Speaker 2: and your face is being bought and sold and you
Speaker 2: have no say or.
Speaker 6: Well if that isn't Brooke Davis's storyline, Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 6: you know, Joy, give us the synopsis of this episode,
Speaker 6: because I do like that we're talking about the business
Speaker 6: side of things, because that's what was happening in real life.
Speaker 6: There was so much crossover between real life and our characters'
Speaker 6: stories as this season began. Yeah, for sure, we all
Speaker 6: kind of felt great upon a very meta episode.
Speaker 5: What happened Joike Definitely four years after the season four finale,
Speaker 5: Tree Hill is well, it's the same, but we are
Speaker 5: all in a new place. Lucas is a struggling writer
Speaker 5: who's about to embark on a new coaching career with skills.
Speaker 5: Peyton is at the beginning of a budding music venture
Speaker 5: or at the end of Yeah who knows something, while
Speaker 5: Brooks fashion line is at a crossroads. Meanwhile, Nathan and
Speaker 5: Haley are young parents trying to find their way. I
Speaker 5: don't know that this synopsis is entirely accurate. It feels
Speaker 5: like it's missing a lot.
Speaker 6: It's part of the misdirects. It's part of the mislead.
Speaker 2: I feel like whoever wrote this synopsis it had like
Speaker 2: three glasses of wine and was like, I don't know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Nan and Haley are like struggling. It's tough, guys,
Speaker 8: it's top bad.
Speaker 6: All Nathan does is make misses for Haley to clean up.
Speaker 6: I would be yeah, Dune joy. What was going on
Speaker 6: in your real life at this point and were there
Speaker 6: any parallels between like you and what Haley was experiencing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I was really unhappy. I was I
Speaker 5: was married, but in a situation that I just did
Speaker 5: not It wasn't It wasn't good. I mean, anybody who
Speaker 5: gets divorced there's always a reason. So it wasn't a
Speaker 5: good situation. And I had a lot of a lot
Speaker 5: of anger and frustration that I didn't really have a
Speaker 5: place to put it. And so in a way, this
Speaker 5: storyline was really cathartic for me because I had a space.
Speaker 5: I had a safe space to be sad and angry
Speaker 5: and not get judged for it. So yeah, I was
Speaker 5: really kind of grateful that I ended up having this
Speaker 5: emotional time. And it was fun as an actor too,
Speaker 5: you know, as much as it was cathartic, it was
Speaker 5: also like, wow, I get to dig my teeth into something.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, when you would cut eyes at Nathan,
Speaker 6: just be like not today, mother, Like yeah, it felt real.
Speaker 6: It felt.
Speaker 2: You were drawing from a deep well.
Speaker 8: I was.
Speaker 7: I was indeed with I don't know why I cut
Speaker 7: my hair, but.
Speaker 6: The haircut was great. The haircut was great, and I
Speaker 6: love any hair rebellion that the three of us staged
Speaker 6: on our show.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 7: We had a lot of hair rebellion.
Speaker 6: Oh man, I got so many notes about my hair
Speaker 6: at the beginning of season five. They're like, it's disgusting
Speaker 6: Hilary with your two tone hair.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I loved this hair.
Speaker 6: The stark contrast in the hair they totally flipped out over.
Speaker 6: But back to Haley, I love that the narrative of
Speaker 6: keeping up appearances is part of her story because that
Speaker 6: is something that we were having to do in our
Speaker 6: real life, is just keepop appearances, and Haley is putting
Speaker 6: a lot of energy into that.
Speaker 2: I will say too, I liked I liked the contrast
Speaker 2: that you chose with that haircut because at the end
Speaker 2: of season four, like we're all we're little kids, we're
Speaker 2: embarking on the world. You had this long, like fairytale hair,
Speaker 2: and we come back and there's something serious about you.
Speaker 2: Time has passed. She's a young professional. You know you're
Speaker 2: you're about to embark on having your own classroom. And
Speaker 2: I loved that. I went, oh, yeah, I would buy that.
Speaker 2: That's my teacher. Sure, she might be the new one,
Speaker 2: the new teacher, the young teacher. But she's look at
Speaker 2: that like sassy, professional woman.
Speaker 7: You know, yeah, yeah, very practical.
Speaker 2: It felt cool. I think it would be harder to
Speaker 2: have a teacher with like a gorgeous mermaid go out
Speaker 2: to be like where did you come from? But this
Speaker 2: little bob is like it's chic lady, you know.
Speaker 6: And I love that Jamie's in the classroom with you, like,
Speaker 6: you know, I've taken my kids every single job I've
Speaker 6: ever done, whether it's working at the candy store or
Speaker 6: on set or whatever. And I I remember going to
Speaker 6: my dad's office as a kid, like going to work
Speaker 6: with your parent build such a strong bond. And I
Speaker 6: like that we're seeing Haley include him as we're getting
Speaker 6: to meet this little rascal. Let's talk about them.
Speaker 8: What a cute little face.
Speaker 5: I love.
Speaker 6: They had plenty of shots of just straight on of his.
Speaker 5: Cute little It was great. He was such a sweetheart.
Speaker 5: He was always he was really smart and really intuitive
Speaker 5: and you know, good, good at paying attention and taking direction,
Speaker 5: and it was just like a sweet kid. He wasn't
Speaker 5: a bratt at all, which I think was part of
Speaker 5: the casting process. Like, didn't they intentionally meet the kid's
Speaker 5: family or so. I can't remember exactly what it was,
Speaker 5: but there was something about, like, if this kid's going
Speaker 5: to be a part of the show for another however
Speaker 5: long we run, we have to make sure that we're
Speaker 5: not hiring a little brat. So there was some sort
Speaker 5: of process involved in that, but I got it right.
Speaker 6: Well, do you remember the table read, because we never
Speaker 6: did table reads. We just never had the time.
Speaker 7: We never made the time.
Speaker 6: If we had one at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 6: that was a big deal, And we definitely had one
Speaker 6: for this because I remember Jamie, not Jamie Jackson who
Speaker 6: plays Jamie, sitting at the end of the table, and
Speaker 6: everybody's attention was just on this kid, and it was
Speaker 6: almost like kind of vine for his attention, Like when
Speaker 6: there's a puppy and you're all calling it by different
Speaker 6: names to see who it goes to. We're like, I
Speaker 6: fell up, hey, buddy.
Speaker 2: It was just so sweet, and it was sweet to
Speaker 2: have an embodiment of this new time in our show
Speaker 2: in Jackson because we'd only had our summer hiatus, which
Speaker 2: you know, by this point we're doing twenty four episodes
Speaker 2: a season. It was like a blip. It was so quick,
Speaker 2: and to come back and be figuring out, you know,
Speaker 2: who are these people and how have they changed and
Speaker 2: how have they grown? And there was so much you know,
Speaker 2: you said it, Hillary, It felt really meta. Everything each
Speaker 2: one of us as women was doing on screen really
Speaker 2: reflected what was happening in our personal lives. And to
Speaker 2: have this little boy who we got to teach and
Speaker 2: who really made the show feel different because we've never
Speaker 2: had to get around before.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was a very cool.
Speaker 2: Thing that not only he was as a character, but
Speaker 2: that he represented physically being in the space.
Speaker 6: I also like that he understood that less is more.
Speaker 6: I mean he's not even acting. He is looking at
Speaker 6: you and really looking at you and saying his words
Speaker 6: and meaning them. And there are a lot of child
Speaker 6: actors who will overdo it and kind of do like
Speaker 6: the vaudeville version, the Macaulay cull Again. Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 6: he's just earnest. He's so earnest in his delivery of
Speaker 6: what can be very scathing observations, like when he tells
Speaker 6: Lucas like you need to get back to work on
Speaker 6: your book, you know, and maybe he's like, I think
Speaker 6: you drink too much is my favorite line of the
Speaker 6: whole episode. Yes, yeah, yeah, he got it. It was
Speaker 6: weird having a kid around. Though.
Speaker 5: We started a curse jar, didn't we There was like
Speaker 5: a ghostar on set.
Speaker 2: And we don't kind of got a salty Jackson's college fund.
Speaker 6: Jackson's college fund, that's right.
Speaker 8: I wonder if he ever actually got that cash.
Speaker 2: I can't remember when it happened, but like, at first
Speaker 2: you had to put a dollar in the curse jar,
Speaker 2: and then it got to a point where it just
Speaker 2: it didn't seem to matter enough, and then it was
Speaker 2: five dollars and yeah, they get a point. I won't
Speaker 2: I won't totally drag the boys. I shan't say who,
Speaker 2: but with one of the boys, they were like, your
Speaker 2: fee is twenty dollars, stop it top.
Speaker 6: I don't think I ever participated in the jar because
Speaker 6: everyone has low expectations for me and children. Yeah, but
Speaker 6: I remember Paul like just wrote like a one hundred
Speaker 6: dollars check or something like Paul made a large donation
Speaker 6: one day all moved front. Yeah, and it was just
Speaker 6: like put it on my tab. Sorry, kid, you came
Speaker 6: into a grown up world. It's weird as a parent
Speaker 6: seeing this little face now, because when we shot it,
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, yeah, it's a kid working, no
Speaker 6: big deal. But Jackson is like the age of like
Speaker 6: my daughter, you know, he was I want to say,
Speaker 6: he was like six or seven playing four.
Speaker 7: Yeah that's right.
Speaker 6: George is five, but like approximately the same size. And
Speaker 6: I'm looking at this little face and I'm like, I
Speaker 6: can't imagine taking my daughter to work in a million years. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's such a I don't know, it's such a weird deal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess it's just such a specific I don't
Speaker 5: know if calling is the right work as you're six.
Speaker 6: How do you know?
Speaker 7: It's just sort of like an interest.
Speaker 5: I guess, like if yeah, a kid that has a
Speaker 5: hobby and they're in the right place at the right time,
Speaker 5: and the parent has time and is willing to participate
Speaker 5: in this hobby, okay, you know why not. And there's
Speaker 5: so many rules that to protect the kids in the union,
Speaker 5: you know, for learning and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 5: that it worked out.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, him having a you know, a
Speaker 2: Teatron set and these these shortened hours where you're allowed
Speaker 2: to work. So sometimes you know, for again, for our
Speaker 2: friends at home, you're getting all the business end today.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we'd run out of time with Jackson and they'd
Speaker 2: have to put a c stand with a tennis ball
Speaker 2: like in the corner, and we'd have to act to it.
Speaker 6: Remember the stand in that would be on their knees,
Speaker 6: and we'd have got a stand in on their knees.
Speaker 6: I wonder if anybody ever took a photo of that.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 5: There has to be someone taking a photo of that
Speaker 5: out there somewhere there is.
Speaker 6: I hope that's so good.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, it's a it's a wild thing,
Speaker 2: and I think as an adult, it really kind of
Speaker 2: hit me. You know, what Brooke is saying about her
Speaker 2: work in this episode is, look, the work isn't enough.
Speaker 2: You act like my life is you know, fancy and
Speaker 2: all these things, but it's it's all work. It's all
Speaker 2: an illusion. Like, yeah, I'm going to Italy, but it's
Speaker 2: to work. I'm going to get off a plane and
Speaker 2: go into an office and then get back on a plane.
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm going to a premier, but I'm not even
Speaker 2: seeing the movie. I'm doing the thing and giving the
Speaker 2: interview and then leaving and taking meetings. And I liked
Speaker 2: that there was a way to represent the sort of
Speaker 2: harsh reality of what can look shiny out in public
Speaker 2: with her, because I know we had all begun to
Speaker 2: feel that, and especially for me, I was really struggling
Speaker 2: with having to leave my whole life and just pick
Speaker 2: up and move. And some people enjoy it, and you know,
Speaker 2: just personally for me, like leaving my parents and my
Speaker 2: best friends and missing babies and weddings and things, I
Speaker 2: really have a hard time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: I remember that feeling of Jackson coming to work what
Speaker 2: you're saying, Hillary, like how does a kid go and
Speaker 2: meeting his mom and his other siblings, and they had
Speaker 2: all moved as a family unit, and I just thought like,
Speaker 2: oh God, maybe that'll make it easier for him, know, like,
Speaker 2: maybe that'll help him. Maybe it won't be so weird
Speaker 2: because his whole family gets to be here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And it is.
Speaker 2: It's a it's such a gift, and it's hard. It's
Speaker 2: all the things. And I just remember how concerned we
Speaker 2: all were with this little person being in this environment
Speaker 2: and thinking like, how do we help make sure it's
Speaker 2: good for him? Because we now know the parts of
Speaker 2: it that are really tricky and the parts of it
Speaker 2: that are really such a privilege, and I remember that
Speaker 2: being such a concern, and I thought that it was
Speaker 2: so special that all of us had that vibe. And
Speaker 2: it turned very quickly into like, how are we going
Speaker 2: to protect the protector child protect their child joy?
Speaker 6: Had you like babysat much? Had you spent much time
Speaker 6: with kids that you like weren't related to.
Speaker 7: No, No, No, I didn't.
Speaker 5: I mean I like kids, like I just never a
Speaker 5: babysat a little in high school, but no, I was
Speaker 5: just always yeah, I think other than high school babysitting.
Speaker 5: I was living in New York, I was working on
Speaker 5: a soap. I was busy, I was great, you know,
Speaker 5: I just and I didn't have i mean friends my
Speaker 5: age and at that time they didn't have kids, so
Speaker 5: and my family was none of my cousins had kids. Well,
Speaker 5: my family's pretty spread out. So no, I didn't, did you,
Speaker 5: did you?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, I was like, it's the babysitting and
Speaker 6: I have three younger siblings, so I've like been around
Speaker 6: kids my whole life. Yeah, but if that's like one
Speaker 6: of the first times that you're interacting and now you
Speaker 6: have to have an immediate bond with this child.
Speaker 5: It wasn't hard because the kids just respond to being
Speaker 5: treated like kids respond to being treated like a human,
Speaker 5: like with respect and you know, listen to you and
Speaker 5: and I guess because of my imagination, I and my
Speaker 5: under and enjoyment of childlike wonder, it was easy for
Speaker 5: me to get down on his level and tell me
Speaker 5: I want to hear all about it. And I think
Speaker 5: that's also being an actor. We empathize, so it's like
Speaker 5: if I'm talking to an adult, I know how to interact,
Speaker 5: I can relate that way. But with a kid, there's
Speaker 5: a They're looking at the world a different way, and
Speaker 5: so I want to get into their world and see
Speaker 5: things the way they see them. So it was it
Speaker 5: was easy with Jackson. And he was also very mature
Speaker 5: for he really was, I guess, yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just think with kids, you just sort of talk
Speaker 5: to him like a grown up, except for when they
Speaker 5: can't understand grown up stuff, and you know, sometimes they
Speaker 5: need to feel a little like, oh, things are exciting.
Speaker 6: Well, remember like all the Santa conversations, like we all
Speaker 6: had to like code everything, you guys, because we don't know,
Speaker 6: like what does he think? What is he like? A, whoa,
Speaker 6: it's somebody else's kid. You don't know what level he's
Speaker 6: on with like tooth fairies and easter bunnies and things to.
Speaker 2: Totally it was so fun like there was also to
Speaker 2: your point, he infused wonder into the space. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I mean for me, you know, similarly to you Hill.
Speaker 2: I didn't have younger siblings or anything, but I babysat
Speaker 2: all the kids in the neighborhood. There were two little
Speaker 2: boys right at the end of my street who I
Speaker 2: watched like it felt like every day after school. It
Speaker 2: was probably a couple of days a week, you know,
Speaker 2: they were They were just like my whole little universe
Speaker 2: as a camp counselor every summer. And now we had
Speaker 2: this kid on set and it was like so exciting.
Speaker 2: I remember there was a there was a time. It
Speaker 2: might not have been season five, maybe it was in
Speaker 2: season six.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a blur because I just think of Jackson being little.
Speaker 2: But like I remember, we heard there was a sale
Speaker 2: at best Buy and like me and Lee and James
Speaker 2: went and got Wee's.
Speaker 6: Oh I remember the big wee things. Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: So whoever was watching Jackson, we could like everybody could
Speaker 2: either come over or we would all have this same games.
Speaker 2: And then it turned into like we like tennis tournaments
Speaker 2: with him, and and I've never had a video game
Speaker 2: console as an adult, but suddenly we had a kid
Speaker 2: on set, and so we all turned into kids.
Speaker 6: Hey, I got the Wii. I was down, and it
Speaker 6: was purely for that child. It was just like, I'm
Speaker 6: never going to play this by myself, but we might
Speaker 6: have a six year old over. You guys, we have
Speaker 6: a guest with us today who was a party of
Speaker 6: this big five year jump and was actually with us
Speaker 6: before the jump, but was living kind of the same
Speaker 6: weird mix of fact and fiction. You've heard us talk
Speaker 6: about her a lot. We know her as Lassiter. Is
Speaker 6: it stone now?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: Stone's her maid name.
Speaker 7: So there's Stone.
Speaker 6: She's last at her stone now, which isn't even sexier name?
Speaker 6: Oh I mean yes, yeah, So let's bring Lastedter in here,
Speaker 6: because she lived with us. This is the This was
Speaker 6: the girl that put up with us at four o'clock
Speaker 6: in the morning and also made sure we got into bed.
Speaker 6: Lassener was our camp counselor you no kidding blassitter? Oh
Speaker 6: my god, exactly the same same.
Speaker 1: Oy my glasses. I was multitasking and working while I
Speaker 1: was waiting Heid.
Speaker 6: What's on?
Speaker 8: My gosh, it's great to see you.
Speaker 6: Oh y'all. How fun y'all. Lassener is She is the tallest,
Speaker 6: blondest Southern queen and we were so lucky to have
Speaker 6: her with us on set. Lesser you explained to everybody,
Speaker 6: but what your job was on One Tree Hill?
Speaker 1: Happy to do it, Hillary, Here we go let me
Speaker 1: really get into it here. No, I'm glad you asked.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: So I I started as the as a PA, a
Speaker 1: set PA, which is production assistant. You work in the
Speaker 1: AD department assistant director and uh you you know you
Speaker 1: do it all right?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 1: How you know? How how self deprecating should I get?
Speaker 6: I know, it's such an understatement.
Speaker 5: It's a job where, like anything that somebody asks you for,
Speaker 5: your answer is yes, and then you just figure out
Speaker 5: how to get it.
Speaker 1: Or do it or do it or I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: y'all cracking me up in these episodes talking about I mean,
Speaker 1: sof with the stories about talking to the people who
Speaker 1: own the houses like on like when we're on location
Speaker 1: and having to go be like hey, turn off that
Speaker 1: leaf blower or change job, please help us please? Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. I mean I would go out and stop traffic, like, yes, stop,
Speaker 1: I mean, why would they listen to me? I had
Speaker 1: a walkie talkie and like a fanny pack and a
Speaker 1: bunch of shops.
Speaker 5: I sent you because you were so tall and so
Speaker 5: blonde and so tan, and it was You're like a vision.
Speaker 5: Anywhere that you went, it was like people just stopped
Speaker 5: and stared. So of course they sent you to stop drafting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you kind of scramble people's brains. You're very
Speaker 2: tall and authoritative, so you're intimidating, but also you're gorgeous,
Speaker 2: so they want to be your friend, and they're just like.
Speaker 8: A You're so friendly. It's like, what do I do
Speaker 8: with this?
Speaker 1: Please stop walking through the shot we're filming. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had no authority whatsoever, So PA stuff. When you start out,
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of just doing You're keeping it,
Speaker 1: you're keeping stuff moving, you're helping every department. You're the
Speaker 1: liaison between the director and the crew and the cast.
Speaker 1: And then on you know, on One Tree Hill, when
Speaker 1: you're working episodic, you kind of work your way up.
Speaker 1: So that first year so I started season two. Very
Speaker 1: first episode of season two, I'd never heard of this show.
Speaker 1: We didn't have the CW and Richmond, Okay, I had
Speaker 1: no clue.
Speaker 6: You didn't have the whole channel. You're just like, we
Speaker 6: don't want those.
Speaker 7: I know so many people back then that didn't have
Speaker 7: a CW.
Speaker 6: They're like, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all.
Speaker 1: My my aunt they I think we had the WB maybe,
Speaker 1: but they weren't running the show during primetime at all.
Speaker 1: My aunt Elsie used to tape it with the VHS
Speaker 1: at one am. It ran at one am. Enriched what
Speaker 1: she would tape it for me and to show my
Speaker 1: mom and like my brothers, like see what Lassiter was working.
Speaker 6: On, or sometimes ce Lassiter. We loved seeing you in
Speaker 6: the elevator of the hospital one episode kill me.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yes, I have a confession. I can
Speaker 1: see myself getting read. I have a little confession. I
Speaker 1: had never watched the show good.
Speaker 8: That's well, we haven't really either.
Speaker 5: I mean, so you're in a good company. This is
Speaker 5: our first way through it.
Speaker 1: So honestly, I've never seen a full episode. And when
Speaker 1: like DMed me about the shout out in the podcast
Speaker 1: about the elevator, I went back and watched it and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, not only is it
Speaker 1: fully me, but like I'm wearing like a ratty T shirt.
Speaker 6: Listen, everybody has to go to the hospital.
Speaker 1: I'm in the background of a lot of episodes, mostly
Speaker 1: holding my ear like this, trying to hide my earpiece.
Speaker 1: Walk go countercross to the background. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: a PA does a lot of stuff. I started at
Speaker 1: the bottom, you know, coming in a couple of days
Speaker 1: a week on season two, and then by season three, uh,
Speaker 1: I got a sign to base camp. Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: you know, back with you guys. That was one of
Speaker 1: my most fun fun seasons.
Speaker 6: You were the best in base camp because Alex Astapey
Speaker 6: would get mad at us anytime we asked for stuff, right,
Speaker 6: but I love Alex so much. I love Yeah. I
Speaker 6: mean it takes a lot to be a base camp PA,
Speaker 6: because you're dealing with not only the crew and what's
Speaker 6: happening it on set, but with all the actors who
Speaker 6: are a nightmare and oh yeah, lassiter you just were
Speaker 6: such a good sport and like in a good mood
Speaker 6: all the time, so it forced all of us to
Speaker 6: be like, okay, fine, will be.
Speaker 1: Well, you guys were so sweet, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: my friends used to ask me questions. Season three was
Speaker 1: really fun for me to be back there with you guys,
Speaker 1: and not only you guys, but you know Jojo, Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, oh I heard it. Don't you work? And Hillary?
Speaker 1: Dang if you didn't talk about that serpentarian story.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, lassiter LASSI was at the serpentarium when
Speaker 6: there was a snake attack.
Speaker 5: You know that.
Speaker 1: I'm still terrified, Yeah, like terrified. You guys are so funny, yeah, Jojo,
Speaker 1: I mean that was just really fun to like just
Speaker 1: be back there with you guys, and you all were
Speaker 1: so gracious and just really sweet. There was never you know,
Speaker 1: my friends used to say, like, you know, what's it like,
Speaker 1: like are they you know, how is it everybody? How's
Speaker 1: the cast? I'm like, they're awesome. They're our age, they're fun.
Speaker 1: We all hang out and they're really sweet, like they're
Speaker 1: going through the same things we are. So I feel
Speaker 1: like season three was really a nice I don't know,
Speaker 1: it felt it was. That was a nice year. It
Speaker 1: was really fun stressful job. It was a really stressful job.
Speaker 2: There's so much you have to manage because you know, again,
Speaker 2: friends at home like when Lassitter talks about running base Camp.
Speaker 2: She's running the schedules for every single person and every
Speaker 2: single chair, so hair making special effects, getting all the
Speaker 2: everyone timed in exactly right, so the chairs are never
Speaker 2: empty and everyone's ready on time, and people go back
Speaker 2: to change when somebody else is getting makeup done and
Speaker 2: she's making sure. You know, it's a huge machine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you managed to make it so fun. I will never
Speaker 2: forget the day. I don't know if you remember this,
Speaker 2: but I obviously will never forget it when I came
Speaker 2: back to base camp, because you guys would always like
Speaker 2: some days I'd come back from set and it would
Speaker 2: like make me want to cry because it was so sweet.
Speaker 2: You got like you and one other person or you
Speaker 2: and Jojo would be out waiting on us to you know,
Speaker 2: finish a scene, and you'd have Patch and Penny out
Speaker 2: and like a tennis ball and the dogs be running around,
Speaker 2: and I was just like, oh my god, they're really
Speaker 2: nice to us and they like my dogs.
Speaker 1: And I forgot about the dogs.
Speaker 2: Yes, the sweet babes. And there was one day where
Speaker 2: I came back and we had just been it was
Speaker 2: like a slap happy day, and I opened my trailer door,
Speaker 2: and Patch wasn't in there, and I went into hair
Speaker 2: because Jojo would take him in the trailer, and you
Speaker 2: guys were all in there, just like slamming coffees, and
Speaker 2: Kelly Jefferson had drawn eyebrows on Patch like this full makeup,
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and put him Jojo had put him
Speaker 2: in a blonde wig. And you just looked at me like,
Speaker 2: is she gonna think this is funny? Or is she
Speaker 2: going to be mad? And I died like I was
Speaker 2: laughing so hard I couldn't breathe. And it's like that
Speaker 2: stuff that I remember almost more than anything Patch.
Speaker 1: I forgot about Patch. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, yes, Patch,
Speaker 1: you all were.
Speaker 6: It was so fun.
Speaker 1: We had a good you know, we had a good time,
Speaker 1: and I was always I took my job very seriously
Speaker 1: as a PA. I feel like Hillary, Hillary knows you
Speaker 1: had a very serious department.
Speaker 6: You all lived at my house like you lived. You
Speaker 6: were like a block away for a while. I was
Speaker 6: like on third Street. You were on fourth Street.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fourth and none.
Speaker 5: But the PA has to take their job seriously, the
Speaker 5: whole ad department. I mean, the show will production will
Speaker 5: fall apart if the if the ad Department's not on.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that. Joy like it really is.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a big deal and at first
Speaker 1: I didn't quite understand. And you know, I'm kind of like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm running. You know, I didn't. I was a film
Speaker 1: major in college. I knew I wanted to go into
Speaker 1: production and you know, do something like this. And I'm
Speaker 1: from Richmond, so I always knew about screen gyms videos
Speaker 1: in Wilmington. And you know, I got the job. Again,
Speaker 1: had never heard of the show because it was only
Speaker 1: the first season.
Speaker 6: Did you get it right out of college?
Speaker 1: So so right out? So I went to University of Alabama, Hillary,
Speaker 1: where I first met you.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Alabama Homecoming MTV.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, MTV.
Speaker 6: You and Laala just killing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Hillary and I were like destined to be connected somehow.
Speaker 1: It's so bizarre. My first internship as a film student
Speaker 1: at Alabama was for MTV and Hillary came to Tuscaloosa
Speaker 1: and I was like the PA.
Speaker 6: That trip was wild outcast performed it was awesome.
Speaker 1: Any I feel like I gave you a tour of
Speaker 1: the Kappa House.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So then I moved to Telluride, Colorado, where I was
Speaker 1: working in a snowboard shop and like bartending and just.
Speaker 6: Like, oh yeah, remember that about your coyote ugly summer.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's all right. Whoo. But only I could
Speaker 1: sing and dance like a non six foot terribly awkward person.
Speaker 2: I've got a lot of photos from all of us
Speaker 2: karaoke downtown Lasser. I've heard you saying you have not
Speaker 2: maybe it's a scream saying, but it works, Sophia.
Speaker 1: I have some good photos of us, and like some
Speaker 1: some really really questionable genes. Oh no, our gene game
Speaker 1: was so strong.
Speaker 6: God, the early two thousands were brutal on done o
Speaker 6: oh my god.
Speaker 2: Lastitar, the three of us have talked so much about
Speaker 2: how in that era just the whole top half of
Speaker 2: our pants was missing, just missing.
Speaker 1: I know, okay, I need them.
Speaker 2: No, you go back to the work stuff. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So I literally I was, yeah, I was working. I
Speaker 1: was managing a snowboard chop alternative edge so cool, and
Speaker 1: I literally had like a sort of a moment where
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not doing anything with my degree.
Speaker 1: I need to figure this out. I had sort of
Speaker 1: like a you know, not a panic attack, but like, okay,
Speaker 1: I need to get a real job. And so I
Speaker 1: cold emailed David Bright Bill.
Speaker 6: Stop so for you guys at home. He was our
Speaker 6: second AD and that's the person in charge of kind
Speaker 6: of hiring pas and doing all the scheduling on our show.
Speaker 1: So I emailed and I said, you know, hi, my
Speaker 1: name's Laster. You know I have this internship one time.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if there was anything filming. All it
Speaker 1: was was like a production office email. And I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't even know what job you would
Speaker 1: hire me for, but entry level bottom. Yeah. He emailed
Speaker 1: me back the next day and said, we're looking for
Speaker 1: pas for a new show. Can you get to Wilmington
Speaker 1: in three days?
Speaker 6: Stop it?
Speaker 1: So I was ready to go, Like I had already
Speaker 1: figured out that I was going to move back from
Speaker 1: tell you I had been about a year. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to do like a year, like a fun year
Speaker 1: out west and then and so I came home, my
Speaker 1: mom drove me to Wilmington. Didn't have a house yet,
Speaker 1: went in for the interview, wore like suit pants probably
Speaker 1: six three I don't know if you guys remember, like
Speaker 1: the couch and the.
Speaker 2: Ad office low to the ground.
Speaker 6: It's so low.
Speaker 1: So I come in everyone's wearing like fanny packs and
Speaker 1: running shoes or short and like a suit and tie.
Speaker 1: Basically you know, I'm here for the interview, and I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I remember like going to sit down on the couch
Speaker 1: and my heels were so high that like my whole
Speaker 1: body like creaked, and I was like getting down like
Speaker 1: he was like he was basically like, you know, do
Speaker 1: you know how to take coffee orders? And I was
Speaker 1: like sure. So the next day I got the job
Speaker 1: and I had to find a place to live and
Speaker 1: that was it. I mean, it all happened in like
Speaker 1: a week.
Speaker 6: That's crazy. But so many people ask us, how can
Speaker 6: I get involved in the film industry? How can I
Speaker 6: get my foot in the door? And that boldness of
Speaker 6: making the cold call or just sending the email and
Speaker 6: not knowing exactly what the job is, but being like
Speaker 6: I'm here to help in any capacity, that is the
Speaker 6: way to get into the business. Yeah, people want to
Speaker 6: know that you're flexible.
Speaker 5: And they have to know that they can trust you
Speaker 5: to be assertive and just take take matters into your
Speaker 5: own hands. Because a huge part of the creative flow
Speaker 5: is being able to trust that all the people around
Speaker 5: you are doing their job and that they don't have
Speaker 5: to be have their hand held through everything. Like I
Speaker 5: can trust that somebody else is taking care of a
Speaker 5: B or C in their department.
Speaker 7: It's it's huge.
Speaker 5: And so even just the fact that you, yeah, did
Speaker 5: that cold call and came in you're ready and yeah,
Speaker 5: it makes a big difference.
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I didn't know a soul.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I moved there and just started working, and I really
Speaker 1: didn't have any you know, I didn't have any friends.
Speaker 1: And Hillary, I don't know if you remember this. I
Speaker 1: was mortified. So I didn't know what show it was
Speaker 1: and I didn't know who was on it. And I
Speaker 1: went in for my first day and I saw Hillary
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, she's like we
Speaker 1: did that thing in MTV. Like, is she going to
Speaker 1: think I'm like following her?
Speaker 7: Yes, that's funny.
Speaker 6: Least letter's playing the long game.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So then it gets worse. I find a
Speaker 1: house and I start working, and two days after I'd
Speaker 1: been on set, I go for a jog and I
Speaker 1: pass Hillary in her front yard.
Speaker 6: I remember you jogging by the house.
Speaker 1: Gardening and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 6: No, it's the worst.
Speaker 1: But y'all know how small that downtown is.
Speaker 2: Yeh.
Speaker 6: But it became so convenient because, like the ad department,
Speaker 6: they don't get to stop work at the end of
Speaker 6: the day. There's another like two or three hours of
Speaker 6: plan for the next day. And so either we hung
Speaker 6: out at the production office and then caravanned home together,
Speaker 6: or we just did it at my house on the
Speaker 6: front porch with beers.
Speaker 1: Oh h, we had so many post production meetings at
Speaker 1: your house.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was great. It was great. But so when
Speaker 6: was the last season that you were that you were there?
Speaker 6: How long did you end up staying?
Speaker 1: So I was there from season two to about I
Speaker 1: think I think it was the end of season five
Speaker 1: slash beginning of season six. So I left during the
Speaker 1: writers strike of two thousand and seven.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's what we were just talking about that at
Speaker 6: the beginning of this episode, because this season ended up
Speaker 6: airing much later in the year because of the writer's strike.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to do my homework and I went,
Speaker 1: you know, I went and looked at some dates and
Speaker 1: you know, watched the episode which is so oh yes,
Speaker 1: so many memory but yeah, I left during the writer's strike.
Speaker 1: We all, you know, we all got laid off kind of,
Speaker 1: and you know, we we I went home to Richmond,
Speaker 1: which is only a couple you know, a couple hours,
Speaker 1: and ended up actually uh meaning my now husband. During
Speaker 1: that downtime, we were doing long distance and the writer
Speaker 1: straight kind of helped me decide whether or not I
Speaker 1: wanted to go full force a D like to become
Speaker 1: a first a D, which is what my goal was
Speaker 1: for a really really long time, or you know, maybe
Speaker 1: take a step back and reevaluate. And ultimately it was
Speaker 1: a really good decision for me because so again for
Speaker 1: those of you who are interested in this, you know,
Speaker 1: production world. You work your days as a PA, you
Speaker 1: get to a certain you know level, you move up,
Speaker 1: and then the next step is to become an a
Speaker 1: D and join the DGA. And I got to that level.
Speaker 1: I got my days, had a little book, and I
Speaker 1: got had some really good advice from just some people
Speaker 1: you know that we all know from One Tree Hill. Hey,
Speaker 1: go talk to some female first ads.
Speaker 6: Well that's what I want to talk to you about,
Speaker 6: because you know, this whole beginning of season five is
Speaker 6: all about the women. I mean, the boys too, but
Speaker 6: like we're all like on these career paths and some
Speaker 6: of them are working and some of them aren't and
Speaker 6: lasted or you were the best at your job, Like
Speaker 6: of everyone, you were the best at it, and it
Speaker 6: makes me sad that it was an inhospitable environment for
Speaker 6: you to achieve what you originally thought you wanted too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny. In my attic right now,
Speaker 1: there's still a box of paper call sheets, girl.
Speaker 6: Cause you're gonna come back and like reason when when
Speaker 6: the kids are grown up, you're like.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I could first remember I have five
Speaker 1: hundred days on one Tree Hill. Yeah no, but it's no,
Speaker 1: it's true. And I'm glad you brought that up because
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of things in this
Speaker 1: episode that were so interesting. To close that loop, I
Speaker 1: got some advice from female first ads in the first
Speaker 1: thing they said, and I mean, y'all know we were
Speaker 1: what twenty we're maybe twenty three at twenty four, twenty three,
Speaker 1: twenty four, you and I are about the same age. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they said, do you know the first thing they said
Speaker 1: was do you want to get married? And I was like,
Speaker 1: well yeah. They were like wow, you probably can if
Speaker 1: you're going to be a first ad. I mean this
Speaker 1: was you know, fifteen years ago. It was really hard
Speaker 1: for women to get this role. But yeah, I just
Speaker 1: kind of, yeah, I took a step back. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it was tough. I got some advice saying like, if
Speaker 1: you want kids and if you want a family, I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is the right move for you
Speaker 1: at this moment. Yeah, And I was like, well, crap,
Speaker 1: what I've been doing for four years?
Speaker 5: Well, you were learning, you were growing, you were figuring
Speaker 5: out who you are, and that's absolutely valuable. But it
Speaker 5: isn't all consuming, very demanding job.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it.
Speaker 1: Was fun, you know, in our in early twenties, it
Speaker 1: was really fun. We weren't allowed to sit down yet,
Speaker 1: go go go right, yes, right.
Speaker 6: There was a there was a rule. It's not a
Speaker 6: rule on every set. And I didn't know that.
Speaker 7: Thing, Like, no, I didn't know that's not a rule
Speaker 7: on every set.
Speaker 6: It's not a rule on every set. No, pas on
Speaker 6: other jobs are allowed to sit down. But PA's on
Speaker 6: One Tree Hill were never allowed to sit down. It's
Speaker 6: not allowed.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, that's wild.
Speaker 1: I mean, my you know, my calves were killer.
Speaker 6: So you obviously you know you have a beautiful family now,
Speaker 6: but what was the pivot? Like, how did you take
Speaker 6: the skills that you learned as a PA and apply
Speaker 6: them to a totally different career path.
Speaker 1: So well, Joyce said a really nice thing a little
Speaker 1: while ago, just about being able to you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know apt and pivot and you know, handle situations.
Speaker 1: So those I speak at a lot of career days,
Speaker 1: like at my old high school and my kids' schools. Now,
Speaker 1: I just did career day last week, and I still
Speaker 1: I talk about how the things I learned on One
Speaker 1: Tree Hill have translated perfectly into what I'm doing now,
Speaker 1: which is advertising, which is a weird It's kind of
Speaker 1: a weird turn.
Speaker 6: That's so cool.
Speaker 1: How So, so when I first when I first moved
Speaker 1: back to Richmond, I got a job in post production
Speaker 1: at an audio editing like a recording studio in Richmond.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, and Joy, I'll never forget. I have to
Speaker 1: tell a funny story about you. It was like my
Speaker 1: the first month there, and all of a sudden, my
Speaker 1: phone rings and like I had left Wilmington, I'm in Richmond,
Speaker 1: and I get a call from Joy and I used
Speaker 1: to get calls a lot from like Brookman.
Speaker 6: Ah, Maddie Yeah, and Jadik and all.
Speaker 1: Those guys like Chris. They would all call me and
Speaker 1: like prank me during my during my office job. And
Speaker 1: I feel like you were like driving through Virginia and
Speaker 1: you called me and you were like Lass, like I'm
Speaker 1: lost in Virginia and I need directions. And I was like, joy,
Speaker 1: I have no idea where you are, but I have
Speaker 1: a job. And you were like, I'm so happy for you,
Speaker 1: Like you were so sweet, but it was like Virginia
Speaker 1: and so you just gave me a call like maybe
Speaker 1: I would know you know where to go.
Speaker 8: What a space cadet.
Speaker 1: That's so fun.
Speaker 5: That is such a but also like how how telling
Speaker 5: that we get so used to our we lean on
Speaker 5: our pas for everything in every way that like I'm
Speaker 5: literally not even on set, I'm lost in Virginia and.
Speaker 6: I'm like last or you can help me.
Speaker 5: That is the that is the bad cliche of every
Speaker 5: actress in every nineties movie.
Speaker 1: I was so touched. I thought it was so sweet,
Speaker 1: and I just I didn't know how to help because
Speaker 1: I didn't know where you were.
Speaker 5: I know, I remember being lost in Richmond, Virginia. And
Speaker 5: that makes sense to me that that's why I would
Speaker 5: have called you too. I know, well we should have
Speaker 5: had coffee. Wish I had been able to find my
Speaker 5: way to you.
Speaker 1: It feels so bad that I couldn't help.
Speaker 7: My funny story was last?
Speaker 1: Or is that?
Speaker 5: I remember being on set the day that we were
Speaker 5: shooting on the football field with James, and we had
Speaker 5: the picnic blanket and the and the sprinklers went off
Speaker 5: and it was like all this and Karen had a
Speaker 5: thing on the football field too.
Speaker 7: But Sophia was it.
Speaker 5: Sophia and I were trying to get to there was
Speaker 5: a there was some kind of pa. Everybody was on
Speaker 5: their walkie, like, Sophia, you weren't in that scene.
Speaker 7: What was going on?
Speaker 5: There was something, some reason we were in the football field.
Speaker 5: Maybe it was me and James or somebody was like
Speaker 5: it was like five bucks on Joy, five bucks on James,
Speaker 5: Like who's going to get to set first? And you
Speaker 5: were and you were standing by the craft service table
Speaker 5: and we were all we were all like on our
Speaker 5: way walk into set, and I was like ooh, te
Speaker 5: and I turned and I walked into the into the
Speaker 5: craft trailer and I heard you just get on your
Speaker 5: walk and you're like, joy stop to Crafty. Joy stopped
Speaker 5: at Crafty.
Speaker 1: Just won five bucks.
Speaker 8: You guys had like a whole horse race going. It
Speaker 8: is so funny.
Speaker 7: One of the many wonderful fun moments with you.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, well, so many fun moments. I know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I need more than an hour. So
Speaker 1: all right again closing the loop. Got into post production
Speaker 1: and I knew, like they we were doing a d
Speaker 1: R and we were recording, you know, we were doing
Speaker 1: voiceover stuff for commercials at this advertising agency in Richmond,
Speaker 1: and I just got into I knew all the aspects
Speaker 1: of production. I knew, you know, what was going on
Speaker 1: on set. You know, time is money, how to deal
Speaker 1: with talent. Uh, you know, just I learned so much,
Speaker 1: and at such a young age about the industry and
Speaker 1: just the word the inner workings of everything. So then
Speaker 1: I got into production for a little bit, and then
Speaker 1: I started at the Martin Agency, which is in Richmond.
Speaker 1: It's like a national advertising agency. We do all the
Speaker 1: Geico uh fun. Yeah. So if I remember running into you,
Speaker 1: were we at the Bowery Hotel remember in New York. Yes,
Speaker 1: you were with Sam Barry from Yes Clamor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my sweet friend Sam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's doing so well by the way, she's crushing
Speaker 1: and a glamor. She uh ran into you. I was
Speaker 1: there editing some I think it was Discover card for
Speaker 1: maybe Midas.
Speaker 6: That's that you're so you. You something you learned to
Speaker 6: deal with our like little like nasty egos in our
Speaker 6: early twenties, and now you're like, now I can handle
Speaker 6: the big boys. Now I can handle the big brands.
Speaker 1: You guys did not have nasty egos.
Speaker 6: I did. I'm not ashamed. I still do. I'm a nasty,
Speaker 6: little narcissist. No, I mean it's it's it is a
Speaker 6: good skill set to learn how to navigate people's wants
Speaker 6: and needs. And it's not something they tell you in college.
Speaker 6: It's not a class you can take like on set
Speaker 6: experience is everything is key.
Speaker 1: And now, so my current job, I'm a writer copy
Speaker 1: senior writer at Martin So I do you know? I
Speaker 1: write commercials and it's really fun.
Speaker 8: Do you need spokes, ladies, Yeah, that's right, guys.
Speaker 1: I'm currently working on Old Navy and you're the fashion destination.
Speaker 6: Hello, bro, you give me a pair of overalls. I'm in.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 5: Advertising is totally the job I always said I would
Speaker 5: go into if I wasn't. People are like, if you
Speaker 5: weren't an actor, what would you do? Always said advertising.
Speaker 5: I love that you're doing that. It looks so fun.
Speaker 1: It's really fun. So I went kind of from like
Speaker 1: the production side to now I'm the creative side. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's really kind of fun. Is getting to
Speaker 1: sit in video village and have Peas bring me coffee.
Speaker 6: I love it you are Peyton's because in the episode
Speaker 6: where yeah, she's in that moment with your boss where
Speaker 6: she's like, I will have your job one day, but
Speaker 6: not like that like you did it lasted.
Speaker 1: It's really fun. It's fun. I love writing and and
Speaker 1: it's I love the creative process. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: you guys all do, and you know I didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I took a windy path to get here.
Speaker 1: But I'm loving it. Where we've got a you know,
Speaker 1: I've got a big, big campaign coming out in the
Speaker 1: fall for Old Navy, and it's really fun get I
Speaker 1: get to be you know, I've got two wonderful kids
Speaker 1: and two little boys nine and six. You're still in Richmond,
Speaker 1: I'm still in Richmond, you know, but every once in
Speaker 1: like twice a year, I go to La to shoot
Speaker 1: you know, spots for about ten days, and so I
Speaker 1: still get that taste of h you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm getting a little bit of the I know,
Speaker 1: best of both worlds.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what advice do you have for people who do
Speaker 5: want to come in at entry level in film and
Speaker 5: come in and vi a PA.
Speaker 7: I would love to just because you were so good
Speaker 7: at it.
Speaker 5: And there are so many people who get in and
Speaker 5: they get frustrated or they feel like it's I don't know,
Speaker 5: if it's too demanding, or they have travel trouble keeping
Speaker 5: track of everything. Yeah, what are some of the most
Speaker 5: practical pieces of advice that you can give? And even emotional.
Speaker 1: Well emotional, I mean, you know, keep stay grounded. You know,
Speaker 1: this is not your it's it's it's hard, especially and
Speaker 1: you guys know you know episodic stuff. I mean I
Speaker 1: was there. My days were eighteen hours, you know, first
Speaker 1: one in, last one out, and it's hard not to
Speaker 1: get sucked into that grind, which you know, admittedly I did,
Speaker 1: you know, my department was who I hung out with,
Speaker 1: but I'd say you know, just like stay grounded, keep
Speaker 1: your you know, keep your family close, and keep perspective.
Speaker 1: But also it's funny I say that, but also like
Speaker 1: go for it. It's hard to it's hard to break
Speaker 1: into it, but when you do. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how different it is for people now, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense, Like, yeah, I did it so long ago.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's easier to get a PA job
Speaker 1: maybe somewhere. But take it seriously.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the work ethic has changed a lot now, yes,
Speaker 5: than it used to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, take it seriously, keep that work ethic and
Speaker 1: be a sponge like that was my thing, was to
Speaker 1: just be a spunge.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: I was watching y'all. I was watching the directors. I
Speaker 1: was watching the grips and the electricians and the camera,
Speaker 1: you know, the camera department. I was watching everyone.
Speaker 6: Didn't they try to steal you? I feel like camera
Speaker 6: tried to steal you at a certain point. Oh that
Speaker 6: is familiar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Wardrobe stole me season six. I was I
Speaker 1: was like kind of burnout, and then I was like
Speaker 1: helping Wardrobe.
Speaker 5: And yeah, Carol, that makes sense, that's yes, it was, Carol.
Speaker 8: I love that.
Speaker 6: I love.
Speaker 5: Yeah, guys, I have to jump off early last er.
Speaker 5: It's so good to see you. Enjoy the rest of
Speaker 5: your chat. I loved this episode, and it's just really
Speaker 5: great to see you and hear that you're doing well
Speaker 5: and reminisce.
Speaker 1: I know, it's good to see you. Joy.
Speaker 5: My honorable mention goes to set Deck on this episode
Speaker 5: for the Mouth and skills.
Speaker 6: Apartment looks the apartment, the frat apartment.
Speaker 5: The frat apartment looks so good.
Speaker 6: Okay, bye bye bye, Lessar. Did you notice that we
Speaker 6: joked about how the boys like frat house apartment looked
Speaker 6: so good.
Speaker 1: That like this end up furniture. Yeah, yeah, that like
Speaker 1: old nineties like the wood.
Speaker 6: Yes, it was like dorm furniture. But then Brooks apartment,
Speaker 6: which is supposed to be super fancy, is like would
Speaker 6: you what did you say? It looked like Pier One.
Speaker 2: It looks like Pier one. After a clearance sale, there's
Speaker 2: just like a couple of random leather chairs left that
Speaker 2: nobody wanted. I was like, oh man, they well they
Speaker 2: had a really hardcore skill set. And then there was
Speaker 2: this other avenue that just didn't work.
Speaker 6: They knew we were never going back there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, gosh, well, y'all I feel I mean, I
Speaker 1: did watch the episode. I took some notes.
Speaker 6: Woh, okay, what pop to you? Like?
Speaker 1: Y'all don't have to talk about me. I'm boring.
Speaker 6: Listen, No, you're not going. But what we talked about
Speaker 6: before you jumped on was how meta this episode was
Speaker 6: because we did this five year time jump, so we're
Speaker 6: not in high school anymore, and essentially we're all just
Speaker 6: playing ourselves like you and I have both seen Sophia
Speaker 6: do that same walk and talk that Brooke Davis does
Speaker 6: with her assistant Milica, where it's like, and we need
Speaker 6: you to do this and this and this and also
Speaker 6: make this phone call and also I have to be
Speaker 6: here here and here, and what do you need from me? Okay, fantastic,
Speaker 6: here's the decision. I've seen you do it so many
Speaker 6: times because it's always kind and really thorough.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean I can see her walking through you know,
Speaker 1: through base camp doing that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then.
Speaker 1: You guys, all of the new people in this episode.
Speaker 1: I have so.
Speaker 6: Mikayla is a goddess.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. She and I still dm like she
Speaker 1: is the nicest person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's incredible and Mikayla Lisa Goldstein getting Daphne Zuniga.
Speaker 6: Yes, Dafney. Remember how scared we were of Daphney last
Speaker 6: I was terrified of her, you were I was terrified.
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, spaceballs anyone? Yeah, nope, jokes are
Speaker 1: not hitting. I'm out.
Speaker 2: I just remember, well, like when Daphne first came, being
Speaker 2: like they're gonna do it again, all I did for
Speaker 2: first season was walk around behind more and be like,
Speaker 2: don't say topic, don't say topic, don't say topic, don't
Speaker 2: say to pick and now yours Princess Vesta, And I
Speaker 2: can't say that to her, Like, oh my god. I
Speaker 2: was so nervous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I was loving. I mean there was you know,
Speaker 1: it was interesting. You know the season four season finale
Speaker 1: was so wonderful and like I have I have physical,
Speaker 1: like visceral memories of that, like being on the river court.
Speaker 1: First of all, when I watched that, all I can
Speaker 1: think about is hair. I can feel the humidity.
Speaker 6: We were all just like wet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way you can see it. I do
Speaker 2: that thing like I'm hugging joy and then I'm like,
Speaker 2: We're not going to do this, and I'm literally peeling hair.
Speaker 2: Off my wet face, and I was like, it's not cute,
Speaker 2: but we're doing what we can.
Speaker 1: When I watch it, you know, you guys remember the
Speaker 1: scripts and stuff, but we would just get the sides,
Speaker 1: and you know, I didn't really know what was going
Speaker 1: on in the story. I'm just paying attention to my
Speaker 1: own job. But at like the episodes, I you know,
Speaker 1: when I went back and watched this one and the
Speaker 1: Elevator one, I was like, ding, I think all I
Speaker 1: think about are the locations, Like I know exactly where
Speaker 1: every single thing was shot. Yeah, and I think about
Speaker 1: where I was standing, if I was hiding behind a tree,
Speaker 1: you know, if I was like crouched, you know, beneath something.
Speaker 1: But that this one was fun. There was you know,
Speaker 1: coming back at season five, there were a lot of
Speaker 1: new locations, and I thought it was interesting, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, just the way that the women were handled.
Speaker 1: Looking back, it's funny. Like I think it's great for
Speaker 1: the show, and it was really entertaining. But four years
Speaker 1: out of high school, so I have to be running
Speaker 1: the I'm like four years out of high school. I
Speaker 1: was a set pa on one Tree Hill and that.
Speaker 6: Was considered killing it. You know what I mean, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: that was success. It's I think what happened was there
Speaker 6: was a revolt at the end of season four where I,
Speaker 6: you know, I personally was like stop touching us, you know,
Speaker 6: and had that interaction with our boss. Sofia was like,
Speaker 6: I don't want to be trapped here. I want my
Speaker 6: career to expand, you know, that is important to me.
Speaker 6: And so all of those things that we had discussed
Speaker 6: in season four were somehow made our tragedies at the
Speaker 6: beginning of season five for our characters.
Speaker 1: I'll picked up on that. I really did, and I've
Speaker 1: never thought about that before.
Speaker 6: And Enjoy just wanted to be with her family. So
Speaker 6: it's like, okay, let's start the season with a broken
Speaker 6: family for Haley, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was really interesting and it wasn't lost
Speaker 2: on me. Like, while Brooke and Peyton are having different experiences,
Speaker 2: they're both feeling let down by and trapped by work.
Speaker 2: And we had had that interaction with our boss at
Speaker 2: the end of season four, and so our storylines became
Speaker 2: you're not happy here. You can't just play the game.
Speaker 2: You have everything you ever wanted and you don't like it.
Speaker 2: You're selfish. You don't know how the business works. You're
Speaker 2: gonna have to grow up and figure out what an
Speaker 2: industry is. Like, we were both getting this thing.
Speaker 1: Unbutton that button.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, smile on the red carpet, don't
Speaker 2: say it's hard. Unbutton that button and I'll let you
Speaker 2: in another meeting. You know, all of it was like ew.
Speaker 2: But what I appreciated, at least for the audience.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't have to know any of that. They
Speaker 6: just saw girls rising above it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But so interestingly they got to see a girl
Speaker 2: who wasn't getting everything she wanted out of her career
Speaker 2: and wasn't happy, and a girl who theoretically was getting
Speaker 2: everything she wanted out of her career and still wasn't happy.
Speaker 2: And what I loved, you know, probably some of the
Speaker 2: cool women in the room who helped, those who helped
Speaker 2: that dichotomy happened, the space to open up where all
Speaker 2: we really needed was each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and lasted.
Speaker 2: In the last episode, we talked about how Hillary and
Speaker 2: I really were able to find a safety together despite
Speaker 2: the ways that the powers that be had tried to
Speaker 2: make sure we didn't stay friends, we had found something.
Speaker 2: In the last episode, in the finale as us and
Speaker 2: so it was it's so interesting, like made me kind
Speaker 2: of weepy when watching this episode when it's like, well,
Speaker 2: all we really needed was to be together, because when
Speaker 2: we're together, we're safe. Yeah, when we're together, we're happy.
Speaker 2: When we're home, we're okay. And I don't know it
Speaker 2: was that made me smile despite the window dressing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really love that moment in the airport.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it made me cry.
Speaker 6: Well have you ever seen on the internet lasted all
Speaker 6: of the fan videos that get cut together about Peyton
Speaker 6: and Brooke being the love story, like the airport scene
Speaker 6: as one hundred percent in every single one of video.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the belt? Hillary?
Speaker 6: Which belt?
Speaker 1: The low slung belt? You know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Did you like that? As? I like that was
Speaker 6: a page out of your book. You were the queen
Speaker 6: of like a strapless dress or like a like a
Speaker 6: strapless like shirt with a low slung belt out on
Speaker 6: the town with some begle bracelets pushed up on your arm.
Speaker 1: Beangle bracelet's pushed up.
Speaker 6: Stealing all of your vibes in this episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are my for sure. Yeah. I loved that
Speaker 1: and like It's so funny, you know, for anyone who's
Speaker 1: interested in like the location production aspect of it. That's
Speaker 1: the real Wilmington Airport.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: We were able to shoot there because it's so small
Speaker 1: that they would literally be like, sure, we'll just stop
Speaker 1: all flights in.
Speaker 2: Well or or it would be like, well, the last
Speaker 2: flight today lands at six forty five, So y'all want
Speaker 2: to come at eight pm? Be like what, you couldn't
Speaker 2: do it anywhere else?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sitting in the rocking chairs between between scenes.
Speaker 6: Did you go on the LA trip with us? No?
Speaker 1: And I noticed that, So that's one of the I'm
Speaker 1: glad you called that out. That was one of the
Speaker 1: only times so you was it. You and Sophia have
Speaker 1: some exterior shots in LA. Just Hill just, oh, well,
Speaker 1: that's a good fake.
Speaker 2: Then my stuff's all supposed to be happening in New York,
Speaker 2: but we did it in Wilmington because there's there's buildings
Speaker 2: there that you can kind of fake for New York City. So, Hill,
Speaker 2: you were the only one who traveled.
Speaker 6: It was a weird trip, you know, because I was
Speaker 6: in this like super weird place with our boss and
Speaker 6: then I was like, great, now you have to come
Speaker 6: to me, and I was like, uh, and so I
Speaker 6: think I just hit out with Elizabeth Arnois and probably
Speaker 6: Daniille like we just were like okay later.
Speaker 2: Well, because you guys went and did it as a
Speaker 2: second unit.
Speaker 6: It was it was a small skeleton crew that went
Speaker 6: to yeah, because.
Speaker 2: We were still filming. Like I remember when you were
Speaker 2: doing stuff in La we did like a full day.
Speaker 2: I think I think you were with me last year
Speaker 2: we did a full day of photo shoots for Close
Speaker 2: Over Bros. Stuff for magazines and our billboards and so
Speaker 2: like while you guys had the director, we were doing
Speaker 2: all the second unit in Wilmington.
Speaker 6: See you were doing advertising before you were even doing advertising.
Speaker 1: Mm hm, I remember the photo shoot, yes, because see
Speaker 1: when I'm watching you know, I'm looking at all the background,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I remember that extra. I remember that photo shoot,
Speaker 1: Like whoa, I remember I had a you know I
Speaker 1: was having a rough day that day or you know,
Speaker 1: I'm hiding in this tree like that's all.
Speaker 6: What was your favorite episode to film?
Speaker 1: So good question, and it's sort of a love hate relationship.
Speaker 1: But honestly, you know, one of my favorite ones because
Speaker 1: I think I have so many memories from was the
Speaker 1: season for season finale? Yeah, the because that was all
Speaker 1: night shoots. Yes, so that was seven days of night
Speaker 1: shoots and that was the first, my first experience with
Speaker 1: a full vampire lifestyle. I remember Dacious gave me do
Speaker 1: like do vatine or whatever to black out my windows.
Speaker 1: We shot. You know, we went to work at six pm.
Speaker 1: We came home at six am.
Speaker 6: Do you remember going to Wilmingtonian and hanging out in
Speaker 6: Liz's room and drinking beers.
Speaker 1: After I do?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was one of my favorite episodes because
Speaker 1: I think we had a great cast. We had everybody.
Speaker 1: We had Bevin yeah, who I love and miss so much.
Speaker 1: It was just we had everybody there was like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was It's great. Those big episodes are really fun
Speaker 1: when you know, again I'm not reading the scripts, I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, but I know that all
Speaker 1: my favorite people are there and they're all on the
Speaker 1: call sheet, and I know it's going to be a
Speaker 1: good time. Yeah, that's I have a lot of memories
Speaker 1: from from that particular episode.
Speaker 6: And did they tell you guys anything as a crew
Speaker 6: what this five year time jump was going to be?
Speaker 1: No, no, we don't get any of that information.
Speaker 6: What a weird first day where you're like, why are
Speaker 6: you guys in college?
Speaker 1: Well, I just remember, yes, I remember saying did no
Speaker 1: one go to college? Like should anyone have gone? To
Speaker 1: get their BA right right around? So I was never
Speaker 1: really you know, we got the sides, we got what
Speaker 1: we're shooting that day, and that was it. So I
Speaker 1: was never aware of the full story of anything. And again,
Speaker 1: you know, we're just flying by the seat of our pants,
Speaker 1: trying to trying to get the scene and move on
Speaker 1: to the next one, like we got to wrap that crane. Guys,
Speaker 1: time is money, okay.
Speaker 2: So something so funny happened last year before you jumped
Speaker 2: on this zoom when me and hill Enjoy were watching
Speaker 2: the episode and Peyton starts to listen to the audio
Speaker 2: book of Lucas's book on a.
Speaker 6: CD five di Changer.
Speaker 2: Joey goes, is his book an autobiography? Did you write
Speaker 2: about us? And we were like, Joey, oh my god,
Speaker 2: the whole book is about all of us, and she goes, oh,
Speaker 2: I missed that.
Speaker 1: No idea, no idea.
Speaker 2: So it's just so funny when you're like, we have
Speaker 2: no idea what's going on. I'm like, well, clearly have the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's so funny. Like, yeah, I never had
Speaker 1: any idea what was going on. It's so funny, but
Speaker 1: I just knew I had to stand up and not
Speaker 1: sit down. Yeah yeah, and get everybody to set. And
Speaker 1: I will say, you know, one of my favorite themes
Speaker 1: of this podcast has been the hair. Oh that was
Speaker 1: my that was my life. Yes, that was like that
Speaker 1: meant two extra hours of sleep for me or not.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how early I had to be there
Speaker 1: depending on what you know, who's who's coming in first
Speaker 1: and who's getting their hair done.
Speaker 6: If they just let us wear some ponytails, we all
Speaker 6: would have been like functional humans.
Speaker 2: Would have just been easier for everybody.
Speaker 6: We're going to write a new show called Ponytails, and
Speaker 6: Lassiter can come out of her film retirement and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dry shampoo and ponies.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm, I love it.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm excited to see what happens with all
Speaker 6: of our characters over the course of this season, because
Speaker 6: the five year jump meant that all the reservations that
Speaker 6: we had playing high school kids are out the window,
Speaker 6: and now we can play messy young adults, and yeah,
Speaker 6: we do get messy.
Speaker 1: God, I love mess you do get a little messy.
Speaker 1: I remember some messy episodes. Yeah, and all the new
Speaker 1: I mean, just the new people coming in. I just
Speaker 1: remember that being that start of season five was really
Speaker 1: fun because there were faces, yeah, you know, and everyone
Speaker 1: was so nice.
Speaker 6: Do you see how cute that dude that Sofia was
Speaker 6: acting one of the Nicks, the guy that was in
Speaker 6: the limo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I will say I do remember shooting that
Speaker 1: Sofia that period.
Speaker 6: I was like, you're like, hello, Massa. There was definitely
Speaker 6: one of us because anytime like someone new came in,
Speaker 6: we're all like, hey, hey, hey, do you want to
Speaker 6: be a friend. Do you want to hang out with
Speaker 6: our group? Do you want to go to to Lex?
Speaker 6: What do you want to do?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Well the scene Hillary, do you remember?
Speaker 1: And Sophia? I think you and I definitely were there
Speaker 1: at some point. But the scene where Nathan has his accident.
Speaker 6: Pravda was that what it was called Prasta?
Speaker 1: Remember the vodka bar?
Speaker 2: Yes, Pravda?
Speaker 1: Yes, So that was a real place in Wilmington. They
Speaker 1: didn't redress that, ye, And I remember all those red
Speaker 1: lights and like that wasn't a new hip spot for
Speaker 1: a little while.
Speaker 6: It was Pravda and Odessa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my friend Steph used to bartend there, Stephanie the
Speaker 2: party Panther. Yeah, so like we'd go there, and I
Speaker 2: think I almost feel like I might have been out
Speaker 2: that night and been like, ohh, what do you guys
Speaker 2: doing here? I'm like on a walkie, Like, I guess
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go see Stephanie tonight, see you later.
Speaker 6: I love it. It's fun.
Speaker 1: We you know, Yeah, we were in our twenties. It
Speaker 1: was I'm just glad I had. I didn't have any
Speaker 1: friends when I moved to Wilmington because I moved there
Speaker 1: for the job.
Speaker 6: But you made friends so fast.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we you know, we work together.
Speaker 6: Yeah. We have all placed our vote on how we
Speaker 6: felt about James Lafferty's long hair and beard in this episode.
Speaker 6: What what were your feelings on it?
Speaker 1: Well, I have written down in my notes beard comma
Speaker 1: took forever to put on. I don't mind the long hair.
Speaker 1: I just have like really a visceral reaction to the
Speaker 1: beard because I know how long it took to put
Speaker 1: on the trailer.
Speaker 2: Well, I have a visceral reaction to it now because
Speaker 2: James came on the podcast and told us they cut
Speaker 2: his hair and then use the cuttings from his hair
Speaker 2: and glue them to his face. Yes, to make the beard.
Speaker 1: Yes, they did Sofia.
Speaker 2: No, Like when I look at when he first came
Speaker 2: on camera, I was like, nope, because I feel like
Speaker 2: he just stuck his face in a bowl of his
Speaker 2: own hair. It's like it's a visual I can't I
Speaker 2: can't get rid of it. And what a trooper he
Speaker 2: is that he did a whole episode with that glued
Speaker 2: multiple face.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Ooof No, I was there in the hair and
Speaker 1: makeup trailer and it was like a handful like no,
Speaker 1: and it was like no, yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 1: so bizarre, But you know, I just chock it up
Speaker 1: to a learning experience.
Speaker 2: I got to pull my shoulders out of my ears.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When Chad and Lindsay are hugging at the end
Speaker 1: and you see Chad's tattoo, oh, Lucas's tattoo, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I remember that they got pretty fast with that,
Speaker 1: but like that was painted on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that was always tricky because they were
Speaker 2: covering his real tattoo. So it wasn't just like fake
Speaker 2: tattoo going on clean skin, like right, you have to
Speaker 2: put the fake tattoo over the scar from the other
Speaker 2: Like that's a that's not easy for anybody. I remember
Speaker 2: what a pain in the ass that always was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, it was always We just
Speaker 1: built it into the schedule and that's part of being
Speaker 1: in the ad department. You have to account for all
Speaker 1: that stuff and you know, just get everybody to set
Speaker 1: on time.
Speaker 6: And well, we all loved working with Jackson because it
Speaker 6: meant that our days were significantly shorter, Like that was
Speaker 6: literally the one thing that you couldn't push is how
Speaker 6: long the child worked. And so kid days were great
Speaker 6: days because they had to be contained. And I love
Speaker 6: how Chad was with Jackson in these scenes. It's fun
Speaker 6: to see him be Uncle Keith and to be able
Speaker 6: to imagine what that relationship looked like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was good. You all were all. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone Jackson was a sweet, sweet kid,
Speaker 1: and you all were all good with him. And there's
Speaker 1: a there's a line though that I had, like it
Speaker 1: totally triggered something when he says, shoe money, Daddy, are
Speaker 1: money from a shoe?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: In this episode, and all of a sudden, I was
Speaker 1: right back there because I was hiding around the corner
Speaker 1: feeding him that line money from a shoe, and I
Speaker 1: and like, I love kids, and you know, I just
Speaker 1: remember I loved having kids on set because you know,
Speaker 1: for the first four years, we didn't have a lot
Speaker 1: of kids on set. And you know, I think I
Speaker 1: even I might have babysat for Moira, but I you know,
Speaker 1: I babysat for a lot of the crew. Oh yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 6: We would go to didn't you dress up as a
Speaker 6: Disney princess for like one of Jade's kids birthdays or something?
Speaker 1: I might have Yeah, yeah, I mean, I just love
Speaker 1: I love kids. I'm the oldest of four, and I
Speaker 1: just loved having a youngster on set. So I'm hiding
Speaker 1: around the corner and I remember saying money from a shoe,
Speaker 1: Money from a shoe, money from a shoe, and like
Speaker 1: like so as soon as I heard that line, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, it just took me back.
Speaker 6: That's so set. I love it.
Speaker 2: Lassiter.
Speaker 6: All right, well, here's what I want to have happened.
Speaker 6: I want our kids to grow up and graduate high school.
Speaker 6: And then I want you to come direct and I
Speaker 6: want you to like flex that muscle because you are
Speaker 6: so incredibly good at your job and you were such
Speaker 6: an asset to our crew and not just for our department.
Speaker 6: But I know that the grips and electrics loved you.
Speaker 6: We know that like wardrobe loved you. We know that
Speaker 6: all the departments responded to you because you never bullied anyone.
Speaker 6: You operated out of kindness and it's set a tone
Speaker 6: that was really important within that department specifically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you was you know, it was all all male department.
Speaker 1: It was you know, it got it got competitive too.
Speaker 1: I mean I you know, I wanted to be be
Speaker 1: well liked and do you know, do my job well?
Speaker 1: And yeah, you got to have a good you got
Speaker 1: to have a strong work ethic there. I won't say
Speaker 1: you have to have, you know, a really strong backbone.
Speaker 1: I feel like I did back then, but nowadays I don't.
Speaker 1: I hope that people don't have to be I don't
Speaker 1: have to have that anymore, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, I think what's really refreshing and what changes culture
Speaker 2: is when someone like you is in a department like
Speaker 2: that and it's gone from a department that could, you know,
Speaker 2: have some serious bully energy to a department that is
Speaker 2: being shifted by a woman and being given a new
Speaker 2: way to operate. And you know, Hillary said it, the
Speaker 2: reason every department tried to poach you was because you
Speaker 2: made people better and you also were kind while you
Speaker 2: did it. And when you are in an environment where
Speaker 2: you have complex uses of power happening dynamics, it can
Speaker 2: be really gorgeous to have somebody offer you a new way.
Speaker 2: And you know they say that the fish rots from
Speaker 2: the head, right, like if the head of the if
Speaker 2: the head of the thing is bad, it trickles down. Well,
Speaker 2: it's the reason we want women like you and friends
Speaker 2: like you to come and direct on projects because you
Speaker 2: get to set the tone for every department. And like,
Speaker 2: I'll sign up for the last show. You don't even
Speaker 2: have to descript it. I'm ready to go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're just all gonna wear ponytails. It's going to
Speaker 6: be really short in the morning. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually, well, let me finish this, finish this campaign and
Speaker 1: then Hill I'm telling you I'm writing a Hallmark movie.
Speaker 6: I swear, I mean coirl. Let's just do some nice things.
Speaker 6: Just kissing and crying is all.
Speaker 1: No, No, let's just let's keep it at kissing and crying.
Speaker 6: Yeah, great, gentle, we love gentle. Are we ready to
Speaker 6: spin a wheel? Is that where we're at in our
Speaker 6: in our day?
Speaker 2: I think we are.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we spin a wheel. Did you uh?
Speaker 6: Did you participate in superlatives when you were in high school?
Speaker 6: Of course? What did you win? What are you?
Speaker 1: Hillary? I feel like you will get a really big
Speaker 1: kick out of this. I went to an all girls
Speaker 1: high school. Me too, Yes, I know, Yes, Sophie, I
Speaker 1: did know that about you. I won the first annual
Speaker 1: b mc Award, which is big Man on Campus. I was.
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew you would like that.
Speaker 6: Is that big dick energy big we call it Brooke
Speaker 6: Davis energy.
Speaker 2: We do well.
Speaker 1: I was. I was very athletic.
Speaker 6: I love that.
Speaker 2: Incredible.
Speaker 1: So I was a jock for sure, incredible lassiter, a
Speaker 1: man on campus.
Speaker 6: Girls, Well then you, I'm gonna leave this up to you.
Speaker 6: Are most likely too. This week is most likely to
Speaker 6: bungee jump. You have to pick a real life person
Speaker 6: and then a character from the show. Ooh, so one
Speaker 6: of our real life one Tree Hillers. It is not me.
Speaker 6: I don't do dumb. I mean, I don't take risks.
Speaker 6: That is not for me.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, I'll say character. I feel like Rachel Danielle's character.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say it too.
Speaker 1: And I forget it's funny. I forget the character's names too.
Speaker 1: I just know her as daniel you get it to Rachel.
Speaker 1: So Rachel would be my character that would most likely
Speaker 1: to bungee jump. Real person to most likely bungee jump,
Speaker 1: by the way, you know everybody, you can pick somebody
Speaker 1: from the cast or the crew. Oh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean part of me. I almost spit out. Alex Alex.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we have to get Alex on the show at
Speaker 6: some voids. So Alex is the total opposite of Lassiter,
Speaker 6: but they had the same job. And so he was
Speaker 6: like a bearded, very disgruntled man who was so irritated
Speaker 6: anytime we asked for coffee or anything. And he's also
Speaker 6: our age and so he was like it was like
Speaker 6: a brother.
Speaker 4: Young.
Speaker 6: He's a little many, a little bit, but he it
Speaker 6: was like having a brother that was just like, you
Speaker 6: guys are ridiculous all the time.
Speaker 1: Stop it one of y'all, one of y'all, one of y'all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like Danil would do it, but Rachel would.
Speaker 1: Sophia would you maybe do it?
Speaker 6: She's done it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I have it. I'm just gonna here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I take risks, but also I don't want to do
Speaker 2: dumb risks, and bungee jumping to me, looks like a
Speaker 2: great way to break your neck. I skydive, which I
Speaker 2: know is perhaps more dangerous, but like, it's the whiplash
Speaker 2: for me that makes me say no to bungee jumping.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if they're adjacent enough. Fine, but
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Know bungee adjacent, bungee adjacent.
Speaker 6: I don't trust that. I'm not gonna whip back up
Speaker 6: and hit the bottom of the bridge, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean. Like I've never been I don't understand the
Speaker 6: physics of it.
Speaker 1: Maybe one of the boys, maybe maybe James, he's like
Speaker 1: in shape.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it's Austin. It's Austin Nichols. That's who it is.
Speaker 2: You're right, You're right, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: It's gotta be somebody like in shape and active.
Speaker 6: It just occurred to me, he'd like Austin is also
Speaker 6: doing all sorts of weird, like water skin and driving
Speaker 6: around in a van.
Speaker 1: Water scanning is so weird to me.
Speaker 6: I don't do water No.
Speaker 2: He loves all that sports stuff. And he's also you're right, like,
Speaker 2: I get where you're going with it. Last, Or is
Speaker 2: that you need a guy who's like fit enough that
Speaker 2: he thinks he's invincible. Yes, you know, Austin's the kind
Speaker 2: of person who's just like, we can do it. It'll
Speaker 2: be fine. It would be him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: As by the way, maybe I missed it in other episodes.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really funny. I've never thought about
Speaker 1: so junk Yes, dunk on the show.
Speaker 6: Colin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Colin, who's crushing it the nicest person. Yes, this
Speaker 1: episode was the first time I had ever heard anyone
Speaker 1: call him junkie.
Speaker 6: W Yeah, who called him junkie?
Speaker 1: I think it might have been it was like uncle Junkie,
Speaker 1: oh playing the video games, and I was like, should
Speaker 1: we call him junkie junk?
Speaker 6: I mean that would explain why he was like a
Speaker 6: twenty five year old senior in high school.
Speaker 1: I mean he was a junkie.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, you know what I think. Yes, he
Speaker 6: and Vaughn having dialogue, you know, like Vaughn hasn't gotten
Speaker 6: to talk a whole lot in the show. And Vonn
Speaker 6: is hilarious, hilarious, good, honorable mention, so funny.
Speaker 2: I love those rivercourt Boys and honestly like for me, Mikayla, Yeah,
Speaker 2: talk about coming in like a powerhouse. She has such
Speaker 2: good energy, she's so in her body. You who after
Speaker 2: four years do the fans think is going to compete
Speaker 2: for Lucas's attention aside from Peyton, Like, literally, who but you? Hillary?
Speaker 2: And Mikayla came in and was just like me mine.
Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved it. She's such a ge.
Speaker 1: So kind like she's just like she's such a kind person.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I loved I loved working with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was really sweet.
Speaker 6: You guys all right, Lassiter, we've got big plans for
Speaker 6: your future, but.
Speaker 1: For us well and Hillary, if I have to apologize
Speaker 1: for texting you from that bachelorette party.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, we're still on drunk text level, which
Speaker 6: is like, you know what, that's my favorite line of
Speaker 6: Peyton's in this episode. I want real friends. And so
Speaker 6: it feels really good to have you here, Lassiter, because
Speaker 6: it gets we get to go back to that place
Speaker 6: where like are off off camera, off work friendships really
Speaker 6: were the things keeping us going, and so I love
Speaker 6: the fact that you still drunk text me at a
Speaker 6: bachelorette party or the.
Speaker 1: Record, I wasn't that drunk. It was my dault, my
Speaker 1: little sister Anna, bachelorette girl.
Speaker 6: I'm there. I'm mad I wasn't invited on that party.
Speaker 1: Buzz her friends are your key demographic for One Tree
Speaker 1: Hill during the age or like twenty nine.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 1: I was trying to be a cool older sister.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm like, why why why were you just
Speaker 2: fa He's timing everybody, babe, really let it really get
Speaker 2: in it to win it.
Speaker 1: Well I know. Yeah. An Crenshaw is your biggest fan.
Speaker 1: She was one of the bridesmaids and she was like,
Speaker 1: what is Hillary doing right now?
Speaker 6: Right now, right now?
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna call her.
Speaker 2: Incredible.
Speaker 6: Oh you guys, I love you. Okay for you guys
Speaker 6: at home. Next week we have season five, episode two,
Speaker 6: racing like a pro. It's about to get crazy, all right,
Speaker 6: here we go, great week.
Speaker 5: I love you last night, Hey, thanks for listening.
Speaker 2: Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also
Speaker 2: follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's ot.
Speaker 6: H or email us at Drama Queens at iHeartRadio dot com.
Speaker 6: See you next time we all about that high school drama.
Speaker 3: Girl, Drama Girl, all about them high school queens. We'll
Speaker 3: take you for a ride at our comic girl sharing
Speaker 3: for the right team.
Speaker 2: Drama Queens, Girl
Speaker 4: Fashion, but your tough girl, you could sit with us
Speaker 4: Girl Drama Queens, Drama Queise, Drama Queens, Drama drah Mcqueens
Speaker 4: Drama Queens