Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison still here at the Rosewood, Montecito. Again, as
Speaker 1: I said before, that's what bougie people call Santa Barbara.
Speaker 1: And I am so excited about this particular episode because
Speaker 1: two guys I love and adore, and I loved him
Speaker 1: so much that I actually wanted to put these guys together,
Speaker 1: and we did. We all went and played golf years ago.
Speaker 1: I think it was a Jaden Tanner's wedding, and I said,
Speaker 1: you have to meet this guy. Y'all are going to
Speaker 1: be fast friends. And now we're all here together. I'm
Speaker 1: here with two former bachelors. Maybe both would be on
Speaker 1: the Mount Rushmore of bachelor's I really think that's true.
Speaker 1: Andrew Firestone and Ben Higgins. I think easily on the
Speaker 1: on the Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2: I tell people that about Andrew's just so sweet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's handsome. In fact, on the way here, you
Speaker 3: want to hear a good story. Yes, Ashley and I
Speaker 3: are driving here actually acknety Okay, it's a great story.
Speaker 3: And so we're driving from LA to Santa Barbara and
Speaker 3: her Hyundai Tucson and Ashley goes, I've never met Andrew,
Speaker 3: and I said, you've never met Andrew? How has that happened?
Speaker 3: But she just hasn't been around for all the times
Speaker 3: that we've gotten to hang out.
Speaker 2: Who's Evince? She goes, who, Like, what's Andrew? Like? I
Speaker 2: was like, he's Bob Guinny, funny.
Speaker 3: Chris Harrison handsome and he and she goes, Okay, no,
Speaker 3: she stops me shoes that makes sense, Like Bob, you
Speaker 3: wouldn't say he's the most handsome man in the world.
Speaker 3: She goes, So, I don't see Andrew being funny because
Speaker 3: he's so handsome.
Speaker 2: I said, here's the problem.
Speaker 3: You're gonna fall in love with Andrew, like you're gonna
Speaker 3: do all the girls do like they meet him and
Speaker 3: afterwards they all giggle. They're like, yeah, it's just kind
Speaker 3: of because I'm talking about me.
Speaker 1: By the way, Bob Guinny, who listens to the show
Speaker 1: almost famous, big bone, you have a great personality. You
Speaker 1: have a great personality, and we love you. And speaking
Speaker 1: of love more, and Andrew his beautiful wife Evanna sitting
Speaker 1: right here, and so I think all of you for
Speaker 1: being here, and most importantly, you guys brought me at tequila.
Speaker 1: We did which I am grateful for and old.
Speaker 4: There's there's not many places you can spend twenty five
Speaker 4: dollars on a tequila drink, but this is one of.
Speaker 2: The roads put it on you.
Speaker 4: I just had a.
Speaker 2: Thirty four dollars martini. Yeah, yeah, it was impressive.
Speaker 4: It served it in a home depot.
Speaker 3: But he did marry up though. I want to say
Speaker 3: that you did marry up. Yeah, very it's impressive.
Speaker 1: I remember when I first met Evana. I was at
Speaker 1: a guy named Jason Carbones house that we had a party.
Speaker 1: Jason used to work on the show, kind of producer.
Speaker 1: He directed from a hot moment and we were there.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that? It was right after was it
Speaker 1: Tristan Ryan season? I don't know, I forget what it was,
Speaker 1: but you would you it was fairly reason You've broken
Speaker 1: up with Jen and you walked in with Evana and
Speaker 1: everybody thought the same thing, like what is happening here?
Speaker 1: Like what what's happening? So one of the ironic things.
Speaker 1: I don't think people know this. She just bad cataracts,
Speaker 1: so people don't know this.
Speaker 4: But but I actually met Havanna through the Bachelor, So
Speaker 4: I was back for the final you know, the The
Speaker 4: Men Tell All. Jen Scheft was then the bachelorette, and
Speaker 4: so she had her men tell All and they had
Speaker 4: me back and they were trying they forgot about Yeah,
Speaker 4: they were trying to they were trying to stir stuff up.
Speaker 4: Oh isn't this so weird?
Speaker 2: That's not like me?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Right, Uh but anyway, and I and there there's
Speaker 4: a there's a there's a funny picture of you and
Speaker 4: I on stage and I'm kind of floppy haired and
Speaker 4: but dressed up. And then that night I was flying
Speaker 4: back to New York and I had about four hours
Speaker 4: to kill after the show is done taping, and so
Speaker 4: I met some friends in LA and that was where
Speaker 4: I met Havanna. And it was literally minutes after you
Speaker 4: had the taping of you know, The Men Tell All?
Speaker 4: And then I met her and that was that was
Speaker 4: my last first date. And we just talked about this
Speaker 4: last night. That was all this time. I didn't know
Speaker 4: that I know, And it kind of slipped my mind
Speaker 4: to tell this story. I never heard that story before,
Speaker 4: but it actually gets weirder. So I actually get her
Speaker 4: phone number from a friend, and she was she was
Speaker 4: pretty stand offish for me with naturally and and so
Speaker 4: back in the day, you know, text messaging was like
Speaker 4: you know one two three one two three one two three.
Speaker 4: So I had gotten her number from a friend and
Speaker 4: I texted her from the airport and she wrote back, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know whatever, you know, we'll talk later. And then
Speaker 4: on the plane, as I do, I am very energetic, hyper,
Speaker 4: you might say, yes, so I am. I'm literally head
Speaker 4: over heels in love with this girl that I just met.
Speaker 4: So I am just free flowing texting her on the plane.
Speaker 4: And so as you know, like this is before Wi
Speaker 4: Fi on a plane. So I arrive on a red
Speaker 4: eye in New York at you know, six in the morning,
Speaker 4: so three am on the West Coast. All the messages
Speaker 4: go through just stream of consciousness for me for like
Speaker 4: five hours, comes pouring into her inbox, and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, now she has like starting off like you know, hey,
Speaker 4: my name is Andrew from the bar whatever we now
Speaker 4: remember that, And then all the way through to like
Speaker 4: how many kids do you want to have? Yeah, all
Speaker 4: the way through.
Speaker 1: And there was modern time then you had your iPhone.
Speaker 1: It would have been like just blue, but it was
Speaker 1: like you know, flip all the way through. And then
Speaker 1: I realized this had happened, and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: how do I make this right?
Speaker 4: Do I write her again and say I'm sorry? Like
Speaker 4: but I she just wrote back and just said, why
Speaker 4: don't we catch up the next time you're on the
Speaker 4: West Coast?
Speaker 1: Psycho?
Speaker 4: You weirdo?
Speaker 2: Psycho was my number.
Speaker 4: Yes, but that was that It was ironic. So like,
Speaker 4: you know, this bachelor family we always talk about, you know,
Speaker 4: I just met Claire's husband. Yeah, right, and and all
Speaker 4: this stuff might happen because of the show, one way
Speaker 4: or another.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it is a tangled web we weave
Speaker 1: is and you guys have been married. How long you
Speaker 1: all you're married?
Speaker 2: It'll be fifteen years? Sweet Mary in a row and then.
Speaker 1: Three unbelievably beautiful kids, thank god. Ivanna is so beautiful,
Speaker 1: Jean Brooks. And we have Anya, and then we have
Speaker 1: maybe my favorite human being on the face of the earth,
Speaker 1: The Shaney Act, Sugar Shane. Uh. To explain Shane, your youngest,
Speaker 1: I would say, watch, uh, watch John Belushi, not in it,
Speaker 1: not in his life, but he's a little bit like
Speaker 1: John belushy animal house, like throwing a bowling ball down
Speaker 1: a flight of stairs, lit on fire like that is
Speaker 1: that is your life, That is my Shane. Did you
Speaker 1: and jess did you have a similar story when you
Speaker 1: met jess Was it like head over Hills when you
Speaker 1: first saw her?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that wasn't a pause similar to Bachelor World though,
Speaker 3: so you've met Jessica. I don't think you have yet.
Speaker 3: Andrew is not so I message her on Instagram. She
Speaker 3: goes home, says, mom, this guy who was on the
Speaker 3: Bachelor messaged me. She doesn't watch the show, she never
Speaker 3: really had, and her mom goes, do you remember this?
Speaker 3: You never talked about boys like I'm really Jessica's first
Speaker 3: legitimate boyfriend, which is amazing for me. Yeah, she has
Speaker 3: no idea what she's missing and I married her.
Speaker 2: But her mom tells the story. Her mom loves the show.
Speaker 3: Jessica is home from college on weekend, walks into the room,
Speaker 3: sees me on TV, sits down for like ten minutes,
Speaker 3: and her mom says, she remembers this because it's very
Speaker 3: unlike Jesskin goes, I can date that guy, so sim
Speaker 3: not like a Bachelor connection. But and Jessica remembers seeing
Speaker 3: me then she like that reminded her. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 3: did see him on TV. I'll go on a date
Speaker 3: with him. So not like we didn't meet through the Bachelor,
Speaker 3: but that was her first introduction to me, just in
Speaker 3: ten minutes.
Speaker 2: She didn't have to watch a lot, which is great.
Speaker 2: She'll never watch the show.
Speaker 1: She you'll think she'll watch though, did you she refused.
Speaker 1: I want to hear her so all answer for it. Did
Speaker 1: you ever watch the show? No? And Ivanna's never watched
Speaker 1: the show. I was just a so you've seen you.
Speaker 1: I know you've seen the show, but you never watched
Speaker 1: Andrew Firestone. I don't know if that's is that on film?
Speaker 1: That's probably on a film weed. I want you to
Speaker 1: watch it like the show. We etched it into tablets
Speaker 1: and we put it up on this HD. Would not
Speaker 1: have been kind of me, No, it was. I'm very grateful.
Speaker 1: Andrew was definitely old school and it was funny. I
Speaker 1: was just a Colton's wedding and his husband, Jordan just
Speaker 1: watched the show. He just watched Colton season and I
Speaker 1: was at the wedding and I said, why would you
Speaker 1: do that? He says, you know, we run into so
Speaker 1: many people, and I'm sure Evanna and just do the
Speaker 1: same thing. They run into so many people, and that's
Speaker 1: what everyone's talking about. I wanted to know what the
Speaker 1: hell everybody was talking.
Speaker 4: Wasn't he in like a couple of seasons, didn't he do?
Speaker 4: Was he?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's typical.
Speaker 1: You were on the Bacherette and then you come on
Speaker 1: and be the Bachelor and then he jumped a fence
Speaker 1: and ran away in Portugal.
Speaker 4: But but there's a there's a lot of film on him,
Speaker 4: you know, like like, yeah, that's the that's the that's
Speaker 4: the kind of the weird thing. I would think as
Speaker 4: a as a new person coming in and meeting somebody
Speaker 4: that was on the show, it's like, well, it's like
Speaker 4: you've already done, like we've seen these moves, We've seen
Speaker 4: you know, we've heard this, this, this this banter.
Speaker 1: Well, I asked, Jordia's there, how do you think he
Speaker 1: did as a straight guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was awful. How does everybody not know?
Speaker 4: How does he said that?
Speaker 1: Who so?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: His new husband he had inklings that once he watched
Speaker 1: the show. Oh yes, he clearly saw. He's like I
Speaker 1: didn't know what he guess?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 1: Nobody guess, And so.
Speaker 4: That's that's really that's a really interesting.
Speaker 2: But he got into the show.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is Jordan said he was in the
Speaker 1: other room and he'd be yelling at Colton, like, why
Speaker 1: did you get rid of her?
Speaker 2: She was great, Hannah b was amazing.
Speaker 1: And he really got into the show. Was a fan,
Speaker 1: he goes, I kind of forgot it was even Colton
Speaker 1: and I just started watching that he got into.
Speaker 3: It was really that would be really fun. I would
Speaker 3: love to sit down with Jordan and watch like that
Speaker 3: show with him. Yeah, to be an analyst unpacked.
Speaker 1: There was a lot to that there, and we did
Speaker 1: that with a lot of wine and NAPA. But I
Speaker 1: really you guys were in a different time and place.
Speaker 1: You were old school when we were still figuring out
Speaker 1: the show Andrew, and it was still so different to
Speaker 1: find that guy no one had ever heard of, and
Speaker 1: he would come in and be the bachelor, and then
Speaker 1: there's flash forward to that formula of you go on
Speaker 1: the Bachelorette, you get popular, we put you on as
Speaker 1: the bachelor, and so on.
Speaker 4: The secrecy part of it for me was so weird,
Speaker 4: Like it was it was like Cloak and Dagger, like
Speaker 4: they not only during the during the shooting, right like
Speaker 4: everything was so under wraps, and we had code names
Speaker 4: and nobody supposed to know who I was and whatever else.
Speaker 4: The girls didn't know who I was, And I remember
Speaker 4: clearly I was staying. I was staying in the in
Speaker 4: the bachelor mansion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, back then it was also different because the guy
Speaker 1: or the made the lead would stay in the mansion
Speaker 1: the little time where we had the rose ceremony myself
Speaker 1: and then we flipped it. By the time we had
Speaker 1: been the ladies when it wasn't it was he was
Speaker 1: old school. He was in the original mansion in Malibu
Speaker 1: and it was.
Speaker 4: And it was like they didn't want anyone to have
Speaker 4: like contact, and like I was sequestered. Like even so
Speaker 4: one day, like I'm just bored out of my mind.
Speaker 4: It was a down day, so I'm like walking around
Speaker 4: and I made my way up to a cover where
Speaker 4: the production was and they had these tents and stuff
Speaker 4: like that, and I never forget. There was this some
Speaker 4: girl what she had the ear thing in and whatever
Speaker 4: else she's production and she and I'm like just kind
Speaker 4: of making small tag. I just want to talk to somebody,
Speaker 4: and she's like, yeah, cause's so funny. You'd make a
Speaker 4: great bachelor. I'm like, who did you like to like,
Speaker 4: what do you know? I am the bachelorship? Oh my god.
Speaker 4: She had no idea. She was just working production, not
Speaker 4: like you know, on the you know, on the setup
Speaker 4: and whatever else.
Speaker 1: Had no idea.
Speaker 4: I had a new idea who I was because they
Speaker 4: had sequestered me so much, even from the people that
Speaker 4: weren't supposed to know who I was. And then we'd go,
Speaker 4: oh my god, that this like the lengths they would
Speaker 4: go through to keep us, you know, a secret, and
Speaker 4: then they reveal on Good Morning America. It was the
Speaker 4: oddest ten weeks, twelve, whatever it was.
Speaker 1: Which is funny because back then you didn't have nearly
Speaker 1: as hard a time keeping somebody quiet because there was
Speaker 1: no social media. Not everyone in the world had cameras
Speaker 1: on their phones, et cetera. So it was just so
Speaker 1: much easier to do that back then. I remember. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we shot. It was this awesome house. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: a great house you would want to live in, but
Speaker 1: it was cool for shooting. It was right on the
Speaker 1: pch in Malibu. We were kind of part of the
Speaker 1: reason that Malibu changed their laws of not in my backyard,
Speaker 1: of you can only shoot so many consecutive days. So
Speaker 1: they basically they wanted us out of Malibu, and but
Speaker 1: we shot on this cliff. It was spectacular back.
Speaker 4: Then it was beautiful. It was it was very cool.
Speaker 2: And the ladies.
Speaker 1: The ladies were also in Malibui. They were down the
Speaker 1: pch and this other else kind of I think it
Speaker 1: was Zuma Point doom is where your your ladies were.
Speaker 2: So I would get up in the morning.
Speaker 1: It was funny when I would do day cards. I
Speaker 1: would get up and I would go to their house
Speaker 1: a different house, and introduce the dates, et cetera. Then
Speaker 1: I would come to the bachelor mansion and talk to
Speaker 1: Andrews like a bunch of back and forth. It was
Speaker 1: we streamlined it much more when we flipped it, like
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a question for you. Yeah, Chris, this
Speaker 3: is your podcast, but I do a question now. I've
Speaker 3: always wanted this so back then, you know, Andrew is
Speaker 3: similar to your age, right, the greatest host of all
Speaker 3: time on television. How in the world did you host
Speaker 3: a show, a dating show with somebody equal to you?
Speaker 3: Because for me, I always looked at you as a
Speaker 3: friend but also a mentor. You give me great advice.
Speaker 3: I listened to what you had to say if it
Speaker 3: was on camera, off camera because of the age difference
Speaker 3: and just to your but if you're looking at Andrew,
Speaker 3: who I'm guessing a year or two.
Speaker 4: A party, it's a couple of years. But remember he
Speaker 4: was right where I wanted to be. Like, so he
Speaker 4: was a couple of years older, married with a young son,
Speaker 4: and so that was so like it was actually I
Speaker 4: think the dynamic was perfect because that was kind of
Speaker 4: like what I was looking, you know, to accomplish. Now.
Speaker 4: A lot of times the sincerity of the bachelor thing
Speaker 4: gets drawn into question and I get that, you know whatever.
Speaker 4: But when I did, it was so long ago. I
Speaker 4: was im, you can ask my wife. I am a
Speaker 4: I am a romantic, like I fully believe, and.
Speaker 1: Like, yes you are, that's true.
Speaker 4: So after I met her, of Anna, three months after
Speaker 4: two and a half months after we met, we were
Speaker 4: dating back and forth. She said, well, this isn't gonna work.
Speaker 4: We're going long term, you know, a long distance. It's
Speaker 4: not going to work. So I up and moved. I
Speaker 4: literally moved to l A And like she's like, bang,
Speaker 4: its just no. So like I go down there, how
Speaker 4: many houses did I see before I bought one. I
Speaker 4: saw the first house I saw. I'm like, oh, does'll work.
Speaker 1: It's in the same City's like, oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: that's like, that's not romantic, that's stalker.
Speaker 2: It's not. It's not.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like there's a very thin line. He
Speaker 1: watched it really well. He doesn't watch So I'm a
Speaker 1: huge rom com fan. I love rom coms, and it
Speaker 1: is funny how many rom comms you watch and you're like,
Speaker 1: you know, is that romantic or is it like illegal?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't get away with that. Like me, I
Speaker 2: don't get away with that stuff. It's like some of
Speaker 2: the stuff that John Hughes would pull in those movies.
Speaker 1: You're like, ah, yeah, that's that's not healthy.
Speaker 2: Those girls should have run.
Speaker 3: But I agree with you because Chris gave me life
Speaker 3: advice that I still quote and still live by today.
Speaker 2: Like I've told him this a thousand times.
Speaker 3: But the advice he gave me off camera in a
Speaker 3: bar over a glass of whiskey was use this whole
Speaker 3: thing to enhance life.
Speaker 2: Already had not change your life completely.
Speaker 3: That is still not only when it comes to like
Speaker 3: my faith tradition what I do. But it's still like
Speaker 3: my career choices, like is this enhancing or is this
Speaker 3: changing me? So I'm with you on like you looked
Speaker 3: at him as okay, he has what like you are
Speaker 3: looking for, so you can listen to him as equal partner,
Speaker 3: you know, like he's got your back. But I did
Speaker 3: the same thing, you know, fifteen years later. But it's
Speaker 3: interesting from your perspective on how did you do that
Speaker 3: with confidence?
Speaker 1: It changed? It definitely changed because obviously I grew with
Speaker 1: the show as well. I mean having when you're in
Speaker 1: at five ten years. By the time you got on
Speaker 1: the show, I'd been doing it so long. I was like,
Speaker 1: I've been here, done that. I can help you navigate
Speaker 1: this and work this through your life. With Andrew, like
Speaker 1: when I'm with you and some of kind of the
Speaker 1: younger bachelors, it is interesting. I feel like it's my
Speaker 1: kids coming back from college, Like Joshua's home this summer,
Speaker 1: Taylor's home the summer. I feel like they're adults, They're
Speaker 1: great people. I want to hang out with them, but
Speaker 1: I'm still that kind of father figure, the adult in
Speaker 1: the room with Bob Guiney with Andrew, with people that
Speaker 1: we are definitely equals as far as our life and
Speaker 1: our experiences. But yeah, I think it was I had
Speaker 1: that life experience of being married, being a dad, taking
Speaker 1: those steps to get to that point. But I was
Speaker 1: also a different I was a different host back then.
Speaker 1: I was more hosty. I was more listening to what
Speaker 1: the producers were telling me, as opposed to when you're
Speaker 1: on then I'm producing myself and I'm hosting the show
Speaker 1: kind of on my own. I would walk into the
Speaker 1: room and know exactly what you needed and what the
Speaker 1: situation asked of me. With Andrew, I didn't know that
Speaker 1: we were It was a lot of trial and error.
Speaker 1: I mean they were It's like, you know, you know
Speaker 1: how you say with the first the first kid you have,
Speaker 1: you know, they're the first pancake. Sometimes they're uncooked, sometimes
Speaker 1: they're overcooked. You're trying to figure it out, you know.
Speaker 1: Sorry Brooks and sorry Joshua, but that's the way it goes.
Speaker 1: That's how I felt with the early Bachelors. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I did a good job, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: the job I did later in life where I could
Speaker 1: be a much better dad because I have great perspective
Speaker 1: makes sense. And one of the things I remember with
Speaker 1: Andrew two things that never happened before and have never
Speaker 1: happened since. We were serving Night one really crappy wine
Speaker 1: because we're cheap as you know. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the unlabeled horrible wine. The Firestone family makes incredible wines.
Speaker 1: Did they're out of the business now, but now they
Speaker 1: make great beers. Go check out Firestone. But night one,
Speaker 1: Andrew woke up the next day and goes, hey, do
Speaker 1: you guys mind if I bring my own wine and
Speaker 1: beer in Andy. We're like, Andrew, you don't understand, Like
Speaker 1: that's a lot, Like it's a lie there. There's twenty
Speaker 1: five girls here there. You know that's a lot you're asking.
Speaker 1: It's like, but I could do it. Like yeah.
Speaker 2: So the next morning I show up to work and
Speaker 2: I literally can't get in the door.
Speaker 1: There are pallets of Firestone wine and beer in front
Speaker 1: of the front.
Speaker 2: Door, like ten feet high. I'm like, holy crap, that.
Speaker 4: Is a boss.
Speaker 2: I kept everybody pretty buzz all the way through. That
Speaker 2: is a boss move. That is awesome. That's a great story.
Speaker 2: And so we had Firestone beer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was it was sort of a necessity.
Speaker 4: Not that I don't enjoy a nice cheap beer every
Speaker 4: once in a while, but like for the all the
Speaker 4: time I was going to be there, like it needed
Speaker 4: to be well stocked. So we got that taking care of.
Speaker 4: My brother showed up the next day. He brought it
Speaker 4: Brun the Cavalry.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. And the other thing that I always
Speaker 1: loved about Andrew is when we got to the end,
Speaker 1: he demanded that he bought his own engagement ring. He
Speaker 1: got engaged, he got proposed to Jen Scheff, and Andrew said,
Speaker 1: I will not take a free ring. I think it
Speaker 1: was to Corey back then those who was Harry Winson,
Speaker 1: it was Harry Wents okay, and so he's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm paying for this, Like.
Speaker 2: No, no, you don't understand how it works. The show pays
Speaker 2: for it, dude.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, if I'm getting engaged, I'm paying
Speaker 1: for the ring.
Speaker 4: And that was it was also so I never I
Speaker 4: never took a dime to be on the show, and
Speaker 4: I never no compensation throughout the whole thing, like like
Speaker 4: it would come good or bad or whatever. I just
Speaker 4: wanted it to be sincere and I want to be
Speaker 4: authentic and like you can you can say you did
Speaker 4: like me, didn't like me, whatever else. But I was
Speaker 4: never unauthentic, like I was always my true self.
Speaker 1: Like then a sellout.
Speaker 3: Yeah I took the ring, I got paid, I'm about it.
Speaker 4: But again, like when I I remember about Jason Carbone,
Speaker 4: I remember sitting, you know, after the last show or
Speaker 4: thing was filmed, whatever else, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this is probably the last time you guys do this.
Speaker 4: He's like, no, this is this show is gonna go
Speaker 4: on forever. I'm like, no, wait, people are not gonna
Speaker 4: want to watch this, like what it already happened two
Speaker 4: and so. So I remember clearly thinking like this is
Speaker 4: this is sort of it and this was like and
Speaker 4: I'm not a TV guy, you know, Like I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is this is so going out on a limb
Speaker 4: for me. And I didn't think he was gonna watch
Speaker 4: it anyway. But still the only thing that I could
Speaker 4: control was my own like my own personality, my own
Speaker 4: person was coming through there, and I wasn't gonna change
Speaker 4: it or adjust it to make a show popular unpopular,
Speaker 4: get more viewers. It didn't matter to me, Like the
Speaker 4: if one person watched it. If thirty million people watched
Speaker 4: it didn't matter. But you know, I knew that, like
Speaker 4: I had to be honest with myself. But ironically, so
Speaker 4: Ivon and I were down in LA last night and
Speaker 4: we walked by the Harry Winston and we told that
Speaker 4: exact same story last night, and I said, yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: I I just paid for the rink they gave me.
Speaker 1: You know, it was it was great because I had
Speaker 1: a deal in my contract where if the Batcher did
Speaker 1: all that, I got that money.
Speaker 2: So I sent my kids to college. But again, that's
Speaker 2: that's that's the.
Speaker 1: Old school version of the show where we were all
Speaker 1: figuring it out, versus it became a machine and became
Speaker 1: an industry by the time you came along, and we
Speaker 1: had it down for better and for worse, by the way,
Speaker 1: for much better. We were better facilitating the show and
Speaker 1: helping people through it and helping people after I mean,
Speaker 1: after Andrew was done, it was like, bye, the show's
Speaker 1: over by But.
Speaker 4: Actually, to be honest, it wasn't that unfortunately, because I'm
Speaker 4: not for you, no, no, no, it was crazy. So so
Speaker 4: the show's done and like I'm like, were re released
Speaker 4: into the wild and so I'm going back to my
Speaker 4: normal life. And I was working for the winery then,
Speaker 4: and I do things like winemaker dinners I do. I
Speaker 4: was in sales, I was selling my family's wine. And
Speaker 4: they're like, well, no, you really can't do that, and no,
Speaker 4: you can't do that wine maker dinner, Mike, what are
Speaker 4: you talking about? Like, well, no, that's that's part of
Speaker 4: our you know, our franchise. I'm like, bullshit, this is
Speaker 4: my livelihood.
Speaker 2: This is what I do.
Speaker 4: So, you know, they were so controlling or try to
Speaker 4: be controlling afterwards of what I did or didn't do.
Speaker 4: And again I didn't do anything else really in television.
Speaker 4: Occasionally I would do a you know, pop up on
Speaker 4: you know, on the mentel all or whatever else, but
Speaker 4: really I kind of disappeared back to what was my
Speaker 4: own life, and they were trying to like control what
Speaker 4: that was.
Speaker 1: You get those wonderful threatening calls from the lawyers.
Speaker 4: Well one and my brother was like, Okay, if you
Speaker 4: really want to do this, we can do this. But
Speaker 4: you picked a guy that was you filmed at our winery.
Speaker 4: You promoted that, you know, the fact that this was
Speaker 4: a wine making family, that this was a legacy family,
Speaker 4: and now you want to not let him do that, right,
Speaker 4: they they ran into the wrong family. Yeah, it was
Speaker 4: much my brother would have relished that time. My brother,
Speaker 4: who many of people in that watched my season got
Speaker 4: to know a little bit. He is a very.
Speaker 1: Guy, a knife to a gunfight. When they came, he's
Speaker 1: in the Marine Corps. So like, you don't want to
Speaker 1: mess with my brother, unlike when they came after mister Higgins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they have. Yeah, but they didn't care that
Speaker 2: much about software sales. For some reason, they didn't get
Speaker 2: any hard time. They really they really ripped me apart
Speaker 2: for user manual writing.
Speaker 4: But there was there was one in particular with this,
Speaker 4: you know, it was a you know, this event that
Speaker 4: we did every year, and they're like, well, I don't
Speaker 4: think it's a good idea that you're that you're promoted on.
Speaker 1: I don't remember asking you exactly. I love that we're
Speaker 1: all together for this event tonight. It was great, we're
Speaker 1: going to Brett Young. Are you going to change?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I thought I am okay. Yeah, because I am okay,
Speaker 2: I was. I took a nap before this. I was
Speaker 2: watching the PGA Championship.
Speaker 4: Is there a smaller pair of shorts you can wear?
Speaker 4: Is this long?
Speaker 2: I just haven't pulled up because this is I.
Speaker 4: Can literally see your lunges through that.
Speaker 2: Thank god, this isn't TV. Beginning this close. This has
Speaker 2: turned into a Siginfeld episode.
Speaker 1: And you know when the when the guy wore the
Speaker 1: jogging shorts and he's like, so, you guys can't say this,
Speaker 1: but Ben's right in front of me, He's in it, and.
Speaker 3: It's I was just trying to size up is my wife?
Speaker 3: Both of those is trying to let him know, you know.
Speaker 2: And both of us are oddly turned on. Rushmore us more.
Speaker 1: By the way, Uh, congratulations to you. You are now
Speaker 1: officially the first person who's ever repeated as a guest
Speaker 1: on my podcast.
Speaker 2: Are you serious?
Speaker 1: Do we have the steak knives for Ben? Do we
Speaker 1: have the steak knives?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: That's so you get a free set of steak knives.
Speaker 1: So you know, there is a butter knife from the Rose.
Speaker 1: My first, and I'm gonna cost us nine hundred dollars
Speaker 1: and this is my first.
Speaker 4: I'm like ninety nine percent sure that none of this
Speaker 4: stuff is even plugged in, like you're just doing me
Speaker 4: a favorite.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 2: This is an Aaron, you came to my hometown. I'm
Speaker 2: waiting till you leave the room and we can actually
Speaker 2: tape this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm glad we all got together and I'm
Speaker 1: glad you I'm glad you two again. One of the
Speaker 1: things I love about this show and I'll always remember
Speaker 1: about it is just the connections and the people we've met,
Speaker 1: and the fact that we're all going to hang out
Speaker 1: tonight and drank way too much tequila and have a
Speaker 1: great time is one of my favorite things. And it's
Speaker 1: been a great day. I played golf with Wells Adams
Speaker 1: down and that was the last.
Speaker 4: Time we were together. Was playing golf up up in
Speaker 4: Pebble Beach.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we have right. We all did play at
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach. I remember winning that day. But you saw
Speaker 1: Wells this morning. Get to hang out with you guys today.
Speaker 1: It's it's awesome.
Speaker 2: He did win that day.
Speaker 1: One of those things about a buch of fun dad strength,
Speaker 1: where it's just like I just always kind of get
Speaker 1: in Yell's head and went alone.
Speaker 3: You know, Chris is a good golfer, And now I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna bore everybody with golf talk.
Speaker 2: We just played in Orlando. This year.
Speaker 3: He came to this great event that uh in Orlando
Speaker 3: that we do and Wells and I've played in the
Speaker 3: year before. Chris comes this year and UH and beats
Speaker 3: us both solidly. Uh, even not playing his best golf,
Speaker 3: he goes and beats Wells today. He beat up beat
Speaker 3: me in pebble there like my dad, I love dearly.
Speaker 3: Not the best golfer, good golfer, not the best. There
Speaker 3: is something about Chris where if I looked at like
Speaker 3: a second mentor somebody has had a big impact in
Speaker 3: my life, Chris would be right there right that I
Speaker 3: just can't beat him. And I want to destroy him
Speaker 3: at a sport. I want to, like, I mean when
Speaker 3: I stand on a golf course with him, especially, like
Speaker 3: I want him to go down.
Speaker 2: And there's just something about him that just never lets me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it just makes me mad.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll do a bench off. As I look at
Speaker 1: your left testicle right now and those shorts, Quin, I
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. I don't look what are
Speaker 1: with my hands, I don't what to do. I have
Speaker 1: to ask you one serious question before we wrap up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's up.
Speaker 1: Because I've heard I've heard grumblings and rumblings. So The
Speaker 1: Bachelor announced they're finally going to do this elder boxer show.
Speaker 1: It was a show I was going to host and
Speaker 1: do pre pandemic. Obviously, with writers strike, they're bringing the
Speaker 1: show back. Are you going to host? Would you host?
Speaker 1: Because you should host?
Speaker 2: So here's my honest answer. I would love that show.
Speaker 3: And I think you know me well enough to know that, like,
Speaker 3: that would be my dream show, Like I can't.
Speaker 2: You're agreaet with older people. I'm great with older.
Speaker 3: People, like you feed me my old meal every day.
Speaker 3: I'd want your advice, I'd want your opinion. If they asked,
Speaker 3: I would love to be involved. I think it's a
Speaker 3: good show and I think it I think it is
Speaker 3: what the franchise needs.
Speaker 2: It takes away so much of what.
Speaker 3: Is going on currently and focuses on love stories again,
Speaker 3: which I think is we've missed in the last three years.
Speaker 2: So I know I've not been asked. I haven't been
Speaker 2: asked one thing about it.
Speaker 3: I am literally just saying I like the idea of
Speaker 3: a bunch of people telling their stories again, which I
Speaker 3: think is what I when I was on the show.
Speaker 3: What you love is the human experience back when we
Speaker 3: told stories, back when we told stories, and that's what
Speaker 3: I would be about, is the story behind it. I
Speaker 3: have as much idea about the show as any other
Speaker 3: fan does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that's It's my guess is that's
Speaker 1: the same as everybody. They have no idea what the
Speaker 1: show is going to be yet, because they've just announced it.
Speaker 1: I mean, and a lot of this came out of
Speaker 1: the writer's strike. It probably would never have gone if
Speaker 1: it hadn't been for the writer's strike. But there's such
Speaker 1: a need for unscripted So the show is going to go,
Speaker 1: and it'll go in the fall. It'll be tough sledding,
Speaker 1: but I think it would be a great announcement. Like,
Speaker 1: I think it'd be fantastic.
Speaker 3: It's it's similar to how I view it is. I
Speaker 3: have not done really anything with the show since my
Speaker 3: time as the Bachelor. Yeah, and I've moved on with
Speaker 3: my life. This is the only thing that's ever came
Speaker 3: about where I was like, I would love that. I
Speaker 3: didn't want to be I didn't want to take over.
Speaker 3: I never made a phone call and never made a text.
Speaker 2: Never want to do that. It'd be similar to well,
Speaker 2: the one that didn't I did not. Yeah, I'm the
Speaker 2: one person. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually the two guys that didn't call for your job
Speaker 1: are probably sitting right here.
Speaker 3: How I view is Wells Adams, Wells Adams should do
Speaker 3: like Wells is paradise right, Like that dude fits perfectly there.
Speaker 2: This feels like me. I'm old, like in my soul
Speaker 2: like I'm old. Yeah he is. He's like an eighty
Speaker 2: five year old man. Yeah I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I think it would just be really
Speaker 3: fun for me to do. I don't know if it
Speaker 3: will ever happen, but I would love I would be
Speaker 3: really excited if it did. And but I the first
Speaker 3: phone call i'd make, I've always already thought about it
Speaker 3: would be to you to say should I do this?
Speaker 3: And what would be your advice? I would love for
Speaker 3: you to do it. Yeah, And you know I'd be
Speaker 3: on board and I would help you ever. I have
Speaker 3: no I have no doubt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be in your ear. I would come in
Speaker 1: the control room and I would just talk in your ear.
Speaker 2: It feels like a good bad and say, Ben.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't have worn short shorts today. Andrew fire Stone,
Speaker 1: Ben Higgins, thank you, guys, thank you. We have to
Speaker 1: wrap up because, uh, we have a great dinner to
Speaker 1: go to. We got a bread young concert to go to,
Speaker 1: we have cocktails to partake in.
Speaker 4: We're gonna set a record for how much money we
Speaker 4: can spend for iHeartRadio. Like the most expensive hotel in
Speaker 4: the universe, and now we're gonna go to the most
Speaker 4: expensive restaurant in the universe.
Speaker 2: To know what I love? What is it?
Speaker 3: Used to just be almost famous that would have to
Speaker 3: cover this tab. Now Chris has his own podcast and
Speaker 3: he has to watch the money just to fly off.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take Colossi of Soul Bottles and just knock
Speaker 4: them over.
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