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Speaker 2: Welcome back All the Smoke, coming to you from Dallas, Texas.

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Speaker 3: Jack. What's up, bro?

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Speaker 2: Yes, your stomping arounds not your city, but you're stomping arounds.

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Speaker 3: The earth is your turf.

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Speaker 2: We got a very special guest today, someone I've admired

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Speaker 2: from Afar from a long time entrepreneur, businessman, father, owner,

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Speaker 2: man and mini hats. Welcome to the show, Mark Cuban,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Guys, appreciate one.

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Speaker 3: Is not the coolest owner, the coolest. Appreciate that man,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, your name has come up in several episodes. Kevin Garnett,

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Speaker 2: Steve Nash, Jailer, Parsons, Two Chains, Muggsy, Paul Pierce to

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Speaker 2: name a few, but it was all positive stuff and

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Speaker 2: we just kind of wanted to give you a shout

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Speaker 2: out because there's not many guys like you around that

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Speaker 2: are really in touch. You know, obviously you know, whether

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Speaker 2: it's hobby or you know, a job when you're an owner,

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Speaker 2: like I feel like there's a disconnect between a lot

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Speaker 2: of owners and their professional ball clubs. And I really

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Speaker 2: feel like you have a pulse not only of your team,

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Speaker 2: but of the city. Where does that come from?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it starts just because you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm a ball as life guy man, and you know

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Speaker 3: I like to play. I still get out there and

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Speaker 3: make an idiot of myself, but you're gonna see me

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Speaker 3: before games getting shots up, you know, enjoying the moment

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Speaker 3: and enjoying owning a team. And I don't know, it's

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Speaker 3: just once once I got into it. And I also

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Speaker 3: had some good mentors, you know. I had Dirk, I

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Speaker 3: had Finn, I had Steve Nash who came in at

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Speaker 3: the same time I did, and it kind of guided

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Speaker 3: me and you know, took me in and showed me, Okay,

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Speaker 3: you know, here's what it's like in the locker room,

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Speaker 3: here's what we need. And I just listened.

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Speaker 2: And that's rare because, like you said, you listen to

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Speaker 2: them a lot of times when you're coming in and

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Speaker 2: spending all your money. It's normally your way or the highway.

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Speaker 2: But for you like say that, you know kind of

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Speaker 2: guys are even younger than you are showing you the

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Speaker 2: ropes and you're taking notes at the same time. It

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Speaker 4: As a lot of owners or that's been around longer

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Speaker 4: than it don't have a championship, so.

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Speaker 3: Well I only got one, right, No, I know, I'll

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Speaker 3: take it. I'll take it more.

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Speaker 2: The current state of the MAVs Lucas coming up on

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Speaker 2: year six, it seems like it's gone by fast. Last

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Speaker 2: year he was thirty two, eight and eight. Unfortunately you

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Speaker 2: guys missed the playoffs. What have you seen? What do

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Speaker 2: you love about him? And what are you looking for?

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Speaker 3: The lea? What leap are you looking for in him?

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Speaker 3: In year six? You know what it's like? I think,

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Speaker 3: who is it? You'll Kich said, you know, first you

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Speaker 3: gotta be bad, then you got to get good, then

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Speaker 3: you got to get humbled, then you get good again, right,

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what's happened to us before, like

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Speaker 3: and that put us back on a mission. It took

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Speaker 3: us a few years to get there. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I think the same things happened with Luca. He's obviously,

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Speaker 3: he worked hard this summer. You know he when things

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Speaker 3: When things are going well, it's easy. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: And I think Luca, more than any of us, really

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Speaker 3: think he's pulled those pieces together. I want to back

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Speaker 2: When did he get on your radar, because obviously you

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Speaker 3: Shot? When when you know, when kids thirteen and he

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Speaker 3: And then the scouts were saying, look, there's a sixteen

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Speaker 3: The scouts said, okay, you know they had eight number

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Speaker 3: really the impetus. And you know that trade. You know,

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Speaker 2: So we got to you mentioned something interesting because I've

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Speaker 3: Guys both play, it's both and you know, analytics folks

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Speaker 3: when you just watch them, you're not quick enough they played,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't you know, he's not the world's greatest shooter.

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Speaker 3: He's not a pure shooter, but he's a killer. And

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Speaker 3: And that's the hard part to recognize that the analytics don't.

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Speaker 4: Tell you I'll take a guy that can hit a

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Speaker 3: Day, right, Yeah, that I've ever seen the stuff Like

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Speaker 2: Right, incredible this off season. Kyrie Irving three years one,

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Speaker 2: twenty six. What was the negotiations like with him? And

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Speaker 2: what is your relationship with them? Obviously he gets a

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Speaker 2: But what has your relationship experience been with him?

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Speaker 3: I love him And it wasn't really much of a negotiation.

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Speaker 3: Was like, tell us when you're ready, right and you

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Speaker 3: know you got to you know, talk to other people,

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Speaker 3: do what you got to do, but we're here ready

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Speaker 3: for you. And I love Kai. You know I say

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Speaker 3: this all the time. Kay is the dude that you

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Speaker 3: become friends with in college that when you're sitting around

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Speaker 3: sports and Kay's going to ask you what's this mean? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: what's this really mean to you? What's in your heart?

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Speaker 3: And as long as you're cool with that, which I

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Speaker 3: am and Jay kidd Is and the guys are, he's easy,

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Speaker 3: you know, because his heart's always in the right place. Now,

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Speaker 3: might be takes that he has that You're like, okay, Kai,

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Speaker 3: and that's okay. Like I told my vaccines, we would

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Speaker 3: up again, you know, And we've talked about it, like, look,

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Speaker 3: there's gonna be stuff we disagree with, and as long

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Speaker 3: I respect him not just his talent on the court,

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Speaker 3: how he connects to other players. You know, you see

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Speaker 3: the jersey swap. He like he gives you a grandma hug, right,

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Speaker 3: It's like the hug your grandma gives you that you know,

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Speaker 3: people aren't used to that. Most people don't understand that.

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Speaker 4: I love him. I go to war for him a lot,

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Speaker 4: you know, through a lot of stuff. And I think

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Speaker 3: He cares about people.

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Speaker 4: And you don't have too many people, especially athletes about caliber,

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Speaker 3: Say it's all about us, it's all about us.

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Speaker 2: But also he does a lot of stuff and it's

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Speaker 3: Like somebody reached out to me and it was an

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Speaker 3: Indian basketball team and they needed some money, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: can I just text him like, Hi, I'm putting in

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Speaker 3: half you want to cover the other half? The heart though? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and didn't think twice just done. Yeah, beautiful.

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Speaker 2: A side of outside of health one thing you feel

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Speaker 2: like your team needs to do to be in contention

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Speaker 2: for the championship this year.

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Speaker 3: I think just a little bit of time to figure

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Speaker 3: out everybody's role. Last year we struggled with rolls right,

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Speaker 3: different people wanted different things than what Ja Kidd had established.

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Speaker 3: I think now we've got the roles. The hardest part

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Speaker 3: more comfortable, you know, because you can't be a rookie

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Speaker 3: to go through those ups and downs.

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Speaker 2: Signs though, We talked to Tyson Chandler about him before

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Speaker 2: he ended up coming back, and he was saying that,

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Speaker 2: I guess, did you say you or someone said there's

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Speaker 2: a kid over here that kind of reminds us and

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Speaker 2: we would love for you to come back. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's he's been.

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Speaker 3: Reached out for him. Yeah, because he's a baby, Tyson. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: We've recently started doing stuff in the communities. We started

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Speaker 3: Every time you play the datas Mavericks, whether you.

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Speaker 3: So flinting PlayStations, same thing. Right. It's just like you know,

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Speaker 3: were in the cap was like flat, right, it was

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00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 3: just like forty million to fifty million from two thousand

428
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 3: when I bought the team, And there were years where

429
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,959
Speaker 3: it was down, you know. I remember when we got

430
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 3: your kids sitting there saying, dude, the cap went down, right,

431
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 3: I got less money to spend now. And then in

432
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,920
Speaker 3: twenty ten, remember New Orleans, no one would buy it.

433
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 3: The league had to take it over. And so I'm

434
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 3: not saying it's going to be like that, but the

435
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 3: point is it's not automatic that everything always gets better, right.

436
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,679
Speaker 3: You know, interest rates are way up. The stock market

437
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 3: isn't blowing up, right when interest rates are up, that

438
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 3: hurts the That makes it harder to invest in broadcasting everything.

439
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,959
Speaker 3: And then you add to that that old school television

440
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 3: is dying, right and streaming is taking over. So old

441
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 3: school television, linear TV, cable satellite needs us right now

442
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 3: because we pull better ratings. Right, Because what's really changed

443
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 3: is like and we see it with Shark Tank and

444
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 3: other things. I do. Like, it used to be you

445
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 3: knew that what shows were coming on ABC, CBS and NBC,

446
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: right there was the big you know, this big show,

447
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 3: that big show. Now all the big show's going to

448
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 3: streaming except for Shark tingk all the big shows going

449
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 3: Friday night on ABC. All the big shows go to streaming,

450
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 3: right and so, and they're not going to linear television.

451
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 3: So it's all sports on linear television. That's good in

452
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 3: the short term, but it's not sustainable in the long term.

453
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be really interesting to see. I think

454
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 3: this deal from you know, from again, they don't tell

455
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 3: me shit, but this deal will be good. But the

456
00:21:54,119 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 3: next one is the one I'm worried about in season tournament.

457
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: You know, my first thought was why right? And then

458
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 3: my second thought was why not? Okay, okay, why not right?

459
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 3: What's the downside? Right? You know? I was like, I

460
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 3: agree with your first one. I'm like, what's the point, right?

461
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 3: But if it gets somebody excited, and you're gonna have

462
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 3: a championship game in Vegas and you can bring people in,

463
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: bring sponsors in, and bring advertisers in and all that

464
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,719
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, and it gives you something other than

465
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 3: the All Star Game to pimp out. So I'm like, Okay,

466
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 3: let's just see what happens and works in soccer, so

467
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 3: it's worth trying. There's no downside.

468
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Speaker 2: I liked a lot of people didn't like the play,

469
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: and I liked the playing because I just thought it

470
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Speaker 2: brought more excitement.

471
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for surely faster for sure, as I did come

472
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Speaker 3: from soccer. Yes, yeah, because they do it in soccer

473
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 3: all the time, so like even the MLS and around

474
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 3: Europe they have cups during the year and all that

475
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 3: and even European basketball's got it. Remember there's like the

476
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 3: euro Cup and there's the EuroLeague and they have different tournament.

477
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 3: You've got, you know, a league that's just Spain the league,

478
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 3: you know, so they do that stuff all the time.

479
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,719
Speaker 2: For someone who's very in touch with just fans, players, community,

480
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 2: how do you feel like the fan experience will change

481
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: in the next ten to twenty years.

482
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Speaker 3: And when it comes to basketball, that's a great question too.

483
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 3: You guys are ripping these out there, you know, guys,

484
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: good job producers here. So there's a bunch of different

485
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 3: levels there. One we talked about television, right, Like you know,

486
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 3: we grew up. You love the teams that your parents

487
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 3: loved right wherever, what city you were in. You know,

488
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 3: I go to Pittsburgh, it was Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, right,

489
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 3: there wasn't an NBA team come down here. It's Cowboys, Rangers,

490
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 3: let's go Rangers, make closest shit out one game, one game,

491
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 3: you know, the Stars, the MAVs, and so you just

492
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 3: automatically love those teams. But now my son is like,

493
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: you know, and it's about the players, all about the

494
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 3: player more than the team, right, And so so now

495
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 3: we have to realize that teenagers are getting all their

496
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 3: MBA from from social media. And that's when I when

497
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 3: I'm you know, talking to board governors meetings, I'm like,

498
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: that's where we got to go get the money because

499
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 3: TikTok and YouTube and Instagram they're killing it off of us,

500
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 3: like on old school. Like I was talking to somebody like, well,

501
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 3: why does the NFL kill you on television? Because television

502
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: viewers are older, right, the average age you know is

503
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 3: sixty five seventy seventy five now, and that those people

504
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: are not on social media, whereas we dominate the NBA

505
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 3: dominates the NFL more on social media than the NFL

506
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: dominates us on television, right, And so that means we've

507
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 3: got to stay closer to kids on social to really

508
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 3: keep them connected to us. And that's a lot more work,

509
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 3: and it changes all the time because our fourteen year

510
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 3: olds are different than the fourteen year olds of ten

511
00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: years ago, and it's going to be different than at

512
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: four ten year olds of ten years from now, and

513
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 3: so that's going to change how we connect to fans

514
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 3: and then getting them into the arena, then I don't

515
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 3: think is going to change as much like there's more digital,

516
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 3: the screens are bigger, right, people are gambling. That changes

517
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 3: a bunch. But when you come to a game. I

518
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 3: was just having this conversation with our people last week,

519
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: it's got to be more like a wedding, right, where

520
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 3: when you walk in, everybody's got to be hype about

521
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 3: what's going on. Right, there's a unique energy when you

522
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 3: walk into a game. What makes it different than watching

523
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 3: the game is the energy you feel when you walk in.

524
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: You guys feel it right when the crowd's there. You

525
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 3: know the difference between the joint where the crowd is

526
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 3: rocking and the music getting them going. And so I

527
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: don't think that changes because that's what makes going to

528
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 3: a game special. When that ball is in the air

529
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 3: at the end of the game and you're screaming and

530
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 3: yelling or everything stops because you're like that Lucas shot, right,

531
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 3: everything stops and then the whole place erupts, you know,

532
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: and if that's a game winner, you're hugging people you've

533
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: never seen before. Yeah, that you know, you don't ever

534
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 3: want that to change. That's what makes sports special. But

535
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 3: everything else is going to change.

536
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, we crossed past a few times two thousand and three, yeah,

537
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 4: and San San Antonio seven with the Warriors.

538
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 3: Even in four.

539
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 4: I just told him I came here with the Hawks

540
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 4: at thirty six in the first half.

541
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 3: I remember we got an ass whip though. Yep, we

542
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: got though.

543
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 4: But two thousand and three, you remember those finals San

544
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 4: Antonio when.

545
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 3: Dirk was out? Oh yeah, fuck yeah, it killed me.

546
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 4: Tell me I we we was talking about it. You

547
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 4: think the series different, Dirk doesn't get hurt.

548
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I even say that, and I was for

549
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: sure because remember we were up Nick Fanelso went off

550
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: ni Oh my god, Parker getting the business again. Yeah,

551
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 3: I mean he went off forty and now she was good,

552
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 3: Finn was good, and we were up against you guys.

553
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: We were down three two, and we were up in

554
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 3: the going into the fourth quarter, and Steve Kerr just

555
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 3: went off and won the series for you guys. Wanted

556
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: for you guys. No, if we had Dirk, you know,

557
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: because it would have been different. It would have been different, right, We.

558
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 4: Probably would have been a seven game series, sure, for sure.

559
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 4: During that time. What is what what was your assessment

560
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 4: of Tim Duncan.

561
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 3: Oh he was a man, right, I mean, obviously I'm

562
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 3: a Dirk back and forth. You know t d was,

563
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 3: you know, mister the big fundamental right, and there was

564
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 3: nothing flashy about him. And you know he had his

565
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 3: own way of talking ship that you know that I appreciate.

566
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was telling us about that right, the one

567
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: or two line too late, two words too.

568
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: Late, nice try, nice try, right, Dirk said that ship

569
00:27:54,320 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 3: coming back, right, Dirk like circus, just a circus. You

570
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 3: you'll talk to Dirk and he'll tell you all that

571
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: shit more than I can. But yeah, not having Dirk,

572
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 3: but you know, just the respect that we had because

573
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: of the going back and forth and finally being you

574
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 3: all in two thousand and six, finally and probably one

575
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: of the best series ever. I remember talking to Avery,

576
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 3: who was our coach at the time, I'm like, it's

577
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: like a fucking war. Like there was like no rest

578
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: for the weary at all. Every game was a beastly battle.

579
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: And who knows that in that case of TD hadn't

580
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: gotten hurt going into the overtime, it might have been

581
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: because at that point Sagana Job dominated. If TD was

582
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 3: hurt and Sagana Job came in to play center for

583
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: the overtime, it just could have been trouble. How how

584
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: much did you hate us in O seven? Get it out?

585
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 3: But I also had one of the best moments as

586
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: an owner, ban right in Golden State. So we're playing

587
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: you guys. Obviously we were the favorites. We had a

588
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: great year, but you guys had crushed during the season.

589
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: You guys would be we felt good. Yeah, you should have, right,

590
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: But two things, right, two things That was the Tim

591
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: Donahey here, no question right. So here's something you probably

592
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: don't know. There was a game you all played against

593
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: the Bulls and you guys had Andrew Brons right, and

594
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: it was a game that ended up going into overtime.

595
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: Bidrons is in the defensive three right, sitting there, Tim

596
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: donaghe reaches out, pushes them out of the paint, literally

597
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: pushes him out of the paint instead of calling D three. Now,

598
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 3: it was a tie game if it was d if

599
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: and if they had called that D three, right, Ben

600
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: Gordon goes to the line, right, eighty percent free throw

601
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 3: shooter makes that three. Now, you guys got a foul,

602
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: and that's you guys just barely made it in. If

603
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: he calls that the other way, you don't make it

604
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: into the playoffs a period, all period, all right, So

605
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: that's that was number one. We had. We had questions

606
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 3: by it. When he was on us oude. He threw

607
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: us out.

608
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,239
Speaker 4: He threw us out you yeah, not us you and

609
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: he was he threw man beat out in the playoffs

610
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: game too, yeah.

611
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: Me and he threw us a Watch that guy.

612
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: I walked you to the back and put a talent

613
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: front of his face because he was and he was

614
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: cussing everybody out. So I wasn't out the game, but

615
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: I just walked because you know, you can exit right

616
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: behind our bench. I had a talent front of Jack's face,

617
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: so he didn't get us in. No more trump walking.

618
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: Wait. But so then here's the fun part. Even though

619
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: we lost. Now was brutal back in in the arena

620
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: right every time I walked in, like so guy to

621
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: be out of the court warming up before the game.

622
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: I would come through the tunnel, and the minute I

623
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: stepped on the court, everybody was going, cube bin sucks,

624
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 3: Cube bin sucks. I walk out. They stop. I walked

625
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: back in sucks in Golden State. It happened. It happens

626
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: in San Antonio and happened to go, which I love

627
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: because I walk out, see if they do it again.

628
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: I walk in. They were watching for him, you guys

629
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 3: looking around. What the hell is going on? And it

630
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: what happened in San Antonio too, Like because I sit

631
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: right on the bench, right behind the bench, and I'd

632
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: get the Cuban sucks right, So I'd wait until TD

633
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 3: was at the free throw line at the end of

634
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: the game, and I'd stand up and they started and

635
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: he's looking around throw line. What's going on?

636
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nelly was so ready for that. He had us

637
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: so prepared. I've never seen him like and everyone else

638
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: thought he pretty much after we won that, it was like.

639
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: He checked out, checked out?

640
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: What is I mean we we would hear a little

641
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: bit about it. What was the issue if you can

642
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: speak about it between Nelly and either the organization or

643
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: Nelly and you, because there.

644
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: Was he was like I said, he it fell apart

645
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: on the dirt stuff right, Because I was like Nelly,

646
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: you know, the doctor say he could play so well.

647
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: I had that injury, you know, the same injury. I'm like, Nelly,

648
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: it's not a little different. Yeah, things have changed. Well,

649
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, And that was it. Really, that's it.

650
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: That's wheah.

651
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: Now that we're not sitting in the locker room smoking

652
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 4: cigarettes making beers at halftime like that was doing.

653
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's got different doctors and stuff, going to

654
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 2: back up to six, you guys go up to nothing.

655
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: You guys are just killing me with all this. It's

656
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: just this one area, this one area.

657
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 3: The rest is.

658
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: The rest is you and Dallas celebration.

659
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 3: But up two excuse me two? Oh uh? D Wade

660
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: goes on a run that we get s okay, so

661
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: talk to us about this. So I remember standing up

662
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: behind the bench we're up to oh, we're game three

663
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 3: in Miami and it's the third quarter and we're up

664
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: like fourteen, and I remember thinking to myself, we might

665
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: sweep these motherfuckers, right and right then Donna's has them

666
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: steps in front of somebody gets a break away and

667
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: they start coming back. And then this is when we

668
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: had Damp and there was a play like a couple

669
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: of possessions. Later, Shack literally pushes Damp out of the way,

670
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: pushes They call it on Damp, and I'm going nuts,

671
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: like what the is going on here? Shock even crazier

672
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: hits two free throws. Shit, and then you know, you know,

673
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: Bennett Salvador just turned d Wade. I mean, he shot

674
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: more free throws in one game than we did the

675
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: whole series, which was just insane, and you had t

676
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: Mac and other people saying, Okay, something's up with this,

677
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: and obviously donnahe Now do I think it was fixed.

678
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was fixed, but I certainly

679
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: think that all the fifty to fifty calls we're not going.

680
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 4: To You have to think about it because if he

681
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 4: was in the game, he had some type of influence

682
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: because that's what he was on.

683
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: So you have to think that, yeah, what is this is?

684
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously this could be a little touchy, but

685
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 2: you know, coming from someone who is so keen on

686
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: everything that involves the game, we had a hard time

687
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: believing that it could be just one person, especially when

688
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: kind of what was going on wasn't that And we're

689
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: not trying to point no finger to start no ship,

690
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: But to me.

691
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: I really think he was the only one that gambled

692
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 3: on the games, right, And but the rest of the

693
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: us were human, right, I mean, and so when they

694
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: got pissed to me, like some of them liked me,

695
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: and I could tell the ones who liked me because

696
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: I was trying to change things and we're like, this

697
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 3: ship needs to change. And there were others that just

698
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: hated me. Yeah, it against your team. Yeah, and they

699
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: would hold it and you know how that works.

700
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, any truth. We had Paul Pierce on our

701
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: show and he told us he was considering the one

702
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 2: time he considered leaving Boston was trying to come to

703
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: you guys, and.

704
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: We traded for Paul Pierce. We were on the trade

705
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: call for Paul Pierce. Now it wasn't oh seven because

706
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 3: we had tried to trade. It was later in his career.

707
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: I forget which year. It was, maybe on nine, but

708
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: we had We were on the trade call and it

709
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 3: was a three way with Boston, Atlanta, and US. And

710
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 3: we had told Atlanta, were you know what the deal

711
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: was going to be, but we need it was with

712
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: Boston and we get on the trade call and Atlanta says, no,

713
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 3: you got to throw in the first round. Some of

714
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: the A I forget, all the other pieces I forget,

715
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: but it was Paul Pierce coming to us. It was done.

716
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: It was done, and they said you have to throw

717
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: in another first, and we didn't have another first to.

718
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: Throw around the same time you were doing Dancing with

719
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: the Stars.

720
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, talk to us about that twinkle toes. Yeah,

721
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: I'm good to go back mark Cuban dancing. I'm telling

722
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: you I got some skills. I'll surprise you all for sure.

723
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 3: That was fun. That was the scariest thing I've ever done,

724
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: by the way. Interesting. Yeah. So yeah, doing a live

725
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: ballroom dancing in front of twenty two million people. It

726
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: was like, oh, it was insane. But I know where

727
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 3: you're going because it was the same time I was

728
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: talking to the Lakers about Kobe and there was this

729
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 3: dude who was a PA called His name was Elvis, right,

730
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: and he kept on because we were shooting in l

731
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: A and he said, Kobe's the beast, Kobe's you know,

732
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: it's all Kobe, all Kobe, all the Lakers, all Lakers.

733
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: And I'm like, hey, Elvis, guess what. I'm talking to

734
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: the Lakers right this second, right here, and we're close

735
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: to doing something for Kobe. And I literally thought we

736
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 3: had something done. And Kobe had to go convince doctor

737
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: Buss that this was going to be a good deal

738
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: and Plinka, who was his agent, but it could happen.

739
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: But Kobe, you know, Mitch Kupchak talked him out of it,

740
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: and I thought it was done.

741
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: Because I remember too they were talking about he was

742
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: There was some Clipper talk too, and the Clippers were

743
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: going to build a facilla or the stadium out in

744
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: Orange County, form and everything.

745
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: And he was ready to go too. He was just

746
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: ready to get out of there. All this shit with

747
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 3: him in Shack was a mess, and so he was

748
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: ready to go, but just didn't happen.

749
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: Any cool stories or you have with Kobe or.

750
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Kobe and I talked more after he

751
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: retired business. Yeah, it was all business stuff, right. I

752
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: would text him and like literally, you know, there'll be

753
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: times we'd be both watching a game or something and

754
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: text back and forth, but just talking business. Yeah.

755
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: That was the one thing we found interesting when we

756
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: talked to him, when we were talking to them before

757
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: the last interview we did with him, He's just like,

758
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: you know, this last twenty years, I don't want people

759
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: to remember him by that, Like, watch out for this

760
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: next twenty years.

761
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: Right, And I would tell Him'm like, now you're on

762
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: my turf, bro, you know you really go then come on, right.

763
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: A lot of tough stuff happening on that journey to

764
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: twenty eleven. To me, that was one of the greatest

765
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: journeys to get there beat a lot of good teams.

766
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: Talk to us about that journey. You guys end up

767
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: beating the Big three with bron Dy, Wade and Bosh.

768
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 2: But that was a hell of a road.

769
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 3: It was incredible. Like we started that season like twenty

770
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: nine and five, nobody was beating us. Then then what's

771
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 3: his name Koran got hurt and Koran was our number

772
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 3: two score and then all of a sudden we didn't

773
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 3: have a score or second score, and then Dirk gets hurt,

774
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: and we go on this road trip in like January

775
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: and lose six in a row and get obliterated. So

776
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 3: as we had no Kuran, even Roddy Bouboah, who's a

777
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 3: guy who is really coming on, was hurt, and so

778
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: we were struggling. And we get to the playoffs and literally,

779
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: you know, we were playing Portland and it was they

780
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 3: were favored over us and we were the higher seed,

781
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: and so we were playing playing LaMarcus and Brandon Roy

782
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 3: and that grew and we win the first two games.

783
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 3: Here we go up twenty something there in the third

784
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: game and Brandon Roy puts on the last show he

785
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: ever put on. I mean, the dude was super skilled,

786
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: but you know, with his knees and just comes back

787
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 3: and beats a single handily and we lose. I think

788
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 3: we lose the next game and then come back and

789
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 3: fortunately close it out. But that having our you know,

790
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 3: just being destroyed like that by Portland instead of putting

791
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: us down really like had it helped us figure it

792
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: out and I think we wore them down, won that series.

793
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: Goes smacked us, Yes, swept us, beat the dogs out

794
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: of us.

795
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: That was insane because I remember sitting there going Slakers,

796
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 3: coming back to back, back to backs, and everybody, no

797
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 3: one gave us a chance. And so we go there

798
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: and playing in in your court and you no, where

799
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: did it open up? We were the highest. Yeah, So

800
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: we played here first and had to come from behind twice, right,

801
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 3: and came from behind, and then we go there and

802
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: what was that? That was the the Corey Brewer game

803
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 3: I think where we were down like fifteen and Corey

804
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: Brewer just went off and no, no, we started there

805
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: because we closed it closed. Yeah JJ. Yeah, So we

806
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: go there and we come down from behind both games

807
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 3: and as I'm walking on, I go to Jack Nicholson,

808
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 3: who sits right by the visitors, like you need tickets

809
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,959
Speaker 3: or anything, and Dallas, you just let me know. He goes,

810
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: We're coming back. Don't worry about it. I'll see you

811
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: back here. Then we get to game four, we win

812
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 3: game through, get to game four and we can't miss.

813
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 3: We're up like twenty something that half to like nine

814
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: in the first half. And I told my buddy, who

815
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: sits next to me, he's always sat next month, like,

816
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: if you touch me and wake me up out of

817
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: this ship, I'm going to beat the ship out of

818
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: you because this is a dream and I don't want

819
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 3: to wake up. And then buying them towards the end, right,

820
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: And then Jerry West even called me after that, and

821
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 3: he goes, you know that's just not you know, Laker basketball, right,

822
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 3: It's like yeah, and JD doesn't care. JJ is tough dude.

823
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: And then a young OKC and then we.

824
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 3: Went, yeah, that whole crew kind of like the Clippers,

825
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 3: this year's Clipper team back then except for Kad right,

826
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: and they were they were a tough squad, but they

827
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 3: beat us the first game, I think, and then we

828
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: won the rest. Yeah.

829
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: And then in that finals, what did Tyson say? Someone

830
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: hit the shot in front of d Wade hit the

831
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 2: shot in front of the bench and kind of rubbed

832
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: it in.

833
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: And then you got fifteen. Yeah, and he looks at

834
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: us and you know, he does this and this and

835
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: all the ship and she turned on the light. No.

836
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: And then what people don't know is like that they

837
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: won the first game, and then that second game when

838
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: we're in Miami halftime, that's the same game. They're up

839
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: whatever fifteen or whatever, and what's his name? Oh my god,

840
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: I'm facing fucking the GM. Pat Riley Kim pat Riley

841
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: says to me at halftime is I'm walking through because

842
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: you know you had to walk through it the middle

843
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: park right there. He goes, not long enough, not strong enough. Mark,

844
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: they said to you, We're just too quick and too

845
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: too long. I'm like, I didn't say anything bad. It's

846
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 3: pat Riley, right, I'm not going to disrespect him. I'm like, okay.

847
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: And then we come back and.

848
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 2: Then interesting, yeah, interesting.

849
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 3: And then cool part because Mickey Errson is cool too.

850
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: I like Mickey a lot. And he goes, you know,

851
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: we close it out and we're getting the trophy down

852
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: in Miami and I see Mickey shakes my hand. He goes, oh,

853
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: the irony, right, because we were supposed to be supposed

854
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: to bet him two thousand and six and then they

855
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: were supposed to kill us in twenty eleven. Crazy how

856
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 3: that works.

857
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: Obviously, a ton of accomplishments in the business world. Lord,

858
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: does that eleven championship rank for you?

859
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 3: Oh, I've got Larry O'Brien in my office, therapy in

860
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: the face every single day, right. You know. The good

861
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: news is it was amazing. The bad news is it's

862
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 3: been twelve fucking years, right, you know, and so you

863
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: know it's like, yeah, I went out with the hottest

864
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 3: girl in high school. Right, That don't do any good? Right,

865
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: So so now it's frustrating. But I think we're on

866
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 3: a good path here.

867
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember this, but twenty fourteen

868
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 4: recalled I was your coach and he was doing TV

869
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 4: in the summertime. He came down to San Antonio. He

870
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 4: was like, I'm going to go back to Mark because

871
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 4: I want you to come to Dallas.

872
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: Do you remember that? Oh? Yeah, for sure, Yeah, a

873
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: couple times because you had Dan Fagan Rest in peace Dan. Yeah,

874
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: and Dan always always like what about Jack always working?

875
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: And Dan and RiPP were close to.

876
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 4: And so that's but actually that's how I got paid

877
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 4: in Indiana through Dany Rick.

878
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: So since we're talking about what could it would have been,

879
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: uh DeAndre Jordan's situation.

880
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: And then you end up getting them a couple of

881
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 3: years later.

882
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: But that was the fiasta because I remember talking to

883
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 2: you on the phone about it, and and they put

884
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 2: the full court press on him. They went out to

885
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: uh the Clipper, the Clipper corps went out to uh

886
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: see him, to see him and didn't let him out

887
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: until he changed. But DJ told me he was coming

888
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: to you. No, DJ told me.

889
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: He was coming. Danny was coming his agent right, And

890
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 3: I remember we just sat in it was a hotel

891
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: in Houston. We were in the lobby and there was

892
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: dude named Steve who was Deandre's money guy, who was like,

893
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: I thought this thing was done. And the weird part

894
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 3: was the dude who was bringing us coffee and everything.

895
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: You know Beliza that played in the league. It was

896
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 3: his brother. It was just like this weirdship. But we

897
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: couldn't get a hold of DJ. He just went radio silent.

898
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: And then you know, the rest is history. And you know,

899
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: DJ made the choice. He made, that's up to him.

900
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 3: Now he's got a ring and so he can talk

901
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: ship and do whatever he wants.

902
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: That was an interesting time one of year. Any anything

903
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: that we may have slipped our mind, your best funniest

904
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: viral moment court side when it comes to refts.

905
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 3: You remember how we met.

906
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: Was it the thing in Sacramento?

907
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? Basketball?

908
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So we played and we went on and

909
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: partied that night too.

910
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: Had a good time. Yeah, good time. Yeah.

911
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: So anything with refs or April, that's still historic.

912
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: Right. So our guy, our marketing GUYT Fitzgerald said, Mark,

913
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: we want to do this April Fool's joke, and we

914
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: want you We've already checked it with the refs and

915
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: they're cool with it. We're bringing a fake reff and

916
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: you're gonna get into a fight with them. And so

917
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: we told everybody. We told you know, we told the team,

918
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: we told Nelly, even told Del Harris, and I'm like, okay, cool,

919
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: this is gonna be hysterical because this is when I'm

920
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 3: yelling and screaming and everybody thinks it could be real.

921
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 3: And so the timeout happens, we're playing New Orleans. The

922
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: timeout happens, and I see the fake ref come out,

923
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: and he walks over and start talking and start talking, start,

924
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: then it gets real animated. Then I push him and

925
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: I can just hear twenty thousand people going nuts, right

926
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: because they didn't realize it was a fake. And then

927
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 3: we started wrestling and everything, and Del Harris is like

928
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: in shocked, is like you forgot the memo, right, And

929
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 3: so then Evan A. Shmeier can like separate us and

930
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: we starts, you know, cracking up and be April Fols

931
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: Evan Shmeier Jersey one.

932
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: Something we found really interesting, you know, obviously because I

933
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: lost my mom the cancer. When you went into the

934
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: luxury tax with Muggsy Bogus and give a three year

935
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 2: situation when his mom was going through that just kind

936
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: of speaks to who you are as a man, always

937
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: beg and bigger than basketball. But can you speak to that.

938
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: I don't remember the whole story, honestly. It was like

939
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: my first year, okay, yeah, and we traded for Muggsy

940
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: and he was like, I can't report, and you know,

941
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 3: and his contract wasn't fully guaranteed, and I just guaranteed it.

942
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 3: That's big.

943
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 2: You are someone who really likes to get former players

944
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: back involved in your organization, to name a few, said

945
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: Mike Filmy, Sean Marion Rowando black Men. What's your philosophy

946
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: behind that?

947
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: So that's another interesting story. Like when I first got

948
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: into the league, they were like, yeah, you were in

949
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: the nineties, right, you played, Yeah, so you knew. There

950
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: were like three or four coaches, right, and there were

951
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 3: no development coaches whatsoever. None. And I get to the MAVs,

952
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is insane, right, we spend more training

953
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 3: people on software than we do supporting development of players.

954
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 3: And so I go to Nelle, I'm like, every former

955
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 3: mav get fifteen of them, because you know, former players

956
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: always want to get back into the game, right. I'm like,

957
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 3: we're not really going to pay, and we'll pay them

958
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: like twenty five grand, but they can come travel with us,

959
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: be on the court before a game, you know, more

960
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: than Wilie. You know, was our first true head of

961
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: development and stuff. And the rest of owners hate it,

962
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: right because players loved it. Right. They always had somebody

963
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: to rebound, somebody to work with them, some develop them.

964
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, other teams realize we're winning, right,

965
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: and this shit's working. Our players are getting better at

966
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 3: a whole lot faster paced than their players, and so

967
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 3: that kind of started it, and that changed the whole league.

968
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 3: Like I still have guys come up to me that

969
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 3: our head of player development and other teams and like

970
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: thank me twenty some years later because there were no

971
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: player development. And then we took it even one step

972
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: further where we got a bunch of interns that are

973
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 3: just on the court all the time. Right, So instead

974
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: of having the development coaches come back in, you know,

975
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: don't work with the players, but have somebody interns that

976
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 3: can like run plays and just you know, run through

977
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: things just to help them understand the game, you know.

978
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 3: And then beyond that, you know the guys who really

979
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: contributed whatever they want, right, So when Tricks wants to

980
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: do something, yes, TC wants to come back and work, Yes,

981
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: Dirk obviously to go whatever he wants for sure, and

982
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: so all that stuff, we're just down with whatever. You know,

983
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: you got to support I love it.

984
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: Brief stint when you first got the team, Dennis Rodman, Yeah,

985
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: ten days? Was what was that like? And did he

986
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 2: really stay with you or is that just urban legend.

987
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: No, it's true. He had lost his driver's license. And

988
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 3: so I have a I have a guest house behind

989
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 3: my house. I'm like, just stay there, I can take you.

990
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: It was funny. I loved that, right. He was just

991
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: and he would come up to my house and he

992
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: would just sit there watching cartoons all day for real,

993
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: you know. Or he's sneak Carmen Electra through the back

994
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: door back to the guest house. But he was a

995
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 3: cool dude, right. But you know, we had a team

996
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: vote because we couldn't rebound at all, and we're like, well,

997
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: he's a rebounder and he needs a job, and the

998
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 3: guys Nelly had the guys vote on they said yes,

999
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: and I never We're playing sack one game and he

1000
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: was supposed to guard Chris Webber and now he's like

1001
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: guard Chris Chris Webber and instead of guarding him, he

1002
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: just pointed at seaweb and see what, Boom, hits a jumper.

1003
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 3: Bet you can't hit that again? Boom And the other

1004
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: guys like what going on? Yeah, that was the end

1005
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 3: of it. So let me just tell you I learned

1006
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: more from Dennis Rodman about PR and marketing than I

1007
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: learned in any NBA class, anything I've ever done. The

1008
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 3: man was a master of marketing. Interesting, like he knew,

1009
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: Like we'd go place he was still super hot. Then

1010
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 3: we go someplace and there'd just be masses of people

1011
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: that were just excited to see him, and you know,

1012
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 3: he'd be like, Okay, you just got to keep on

1013
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 3: refreshing and coming up with new stuff and letting people

1014
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: know you're going to be there. And so him and

1015
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 3: Paris Hilton are my two like marketing and pr Googles.

1016
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: But Dr d Rod was like a machine. He knew

1017
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 3: exactly what he was doing.

1018
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: Interesting twenty twenty posted a photo on Instagram of Delonte West.

1019
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: Can you share your connection with him? And yeah, first

1020
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: try to help.

1021
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 3: He played first with for a year and we knew

1022
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: he was bipolar. And it was during the pandemic that

1023
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: someone sent me a video of him panhandling at a

1024
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 3: corner in North Dallas and I figured out where it

1025
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: was and so I went and got him. I mean,

1026
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 3: I mean I would have done the same thing for

1027
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 3: any player. It wasn't just it was Delante or we

1028
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 3: had a special relationship and it was like you was

1029
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 3: I was just and so I put him in my

1030
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: car and got him a hotel, got his mom's number

1031
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 3: and told her what's going on, and said, okay, let's

1032
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: just get you some help. And so we took him

1033
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: down to Rebound that that Jason runs, and we thought, okay,

1034
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: he was on the path. Jason saying, this stuff's working.

1035
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: He's in Florida, right, He's doing all this stuff he's

1036
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 3: supposed to do. He's doing these you know, events and

1037
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: stuff you know that are supposed to help him rehab.

1038
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: And then he just took off. And then we're like, okay,

1039
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 3: it's not unusual for somebody to have a relapse. Whatever

1040
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: it's it's a hard process. Let's go get him again.

1041
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 3: And so Jason Williams goes out and finds him. We

1042
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 3: get him again, and I set him up again. White

1043
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: chocolate Jason Williams, No, no, no Jersey. Jason went through

1044
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: his own ship and so we set him up again,

1045
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: put him in Rebound in Florida. Takes the stuff, throws

1046
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 3: it over the fence, gone done. His mom would be like,

1047
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: one more time, I can't, I can't, can't.

1048
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 4: We were for the Big Three and that was my

1049
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 4: first time seeing it. I seen him that's when we are.

1050
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 4: That's when that's when it actually hit the internet. We

1051
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 4: were for Big Three, and we remember leaving the Big Three,

1052
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 4: and that's when I was like, God, he hasn't and

1053
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 4: what what what? I respected you so much for doing it,

1054
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 4: But what killed me was how many people that you played,

1055
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 4: how many teammates that you can play with that don't

1056
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 4: have the heart to reach out to you.

1057
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 3: Know, they do though, they do, Like I heard from

1058
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 3: a bunch of his teammates, right from Saint Joe to

1059
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: you know, guys in the league don't want he just

1060
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 3: you know, he wasn't registering. It's just he has a sickness, right,

1061
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 3: he's by polar and you know, I think he wants it,

1062
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 3: you know, and I think part of it is just

1063
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 3: you know, he's getting still gets pressure from his family,

1064
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: you know, to I mean I was hearing from his family.

1065
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 3: He's thirty nine years old, you know, all the shit

1066
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: he's gone through. Oh he can still play. No, he

1067
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: needed to save his life. He couldn't. He couldn't make it.

1068
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 3: And that's what I would say with the three right right,

1069
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 3: which is yeah, it's tough, right and so and then

1070
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: he no showed the Big Three. Yeah, because you guys,

1071
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: you guys are ready. He could have gotten paid, right,

1072
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 3: drafted you guys, you guys were ready just to help him.

1073
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 3: Somebody was gonna draft him just to give him a job, right, exactly, right, exactly,

1074
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 3: And so you know he didn't show there. And it's

1075
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 3: just like all lots of guys wanted to help him,

1076
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 3: he just couldn't help himself. If you're out there, man,

1077
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 3: were sending love to you. Bro. Since we on it,

1078
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 3: what's your take on Big Three? I mean, I like it,

1079
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: but it's a tough business, yep. You know, like if

1080
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 3: you go back and look like during the lockout in

1081
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: the nineties when Patrick, you and everybody tried to put

1082
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 3: on a traveling show, right, it was impossible for them

1083
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 3: to sell tickets, right, It's hard to sell tickets. It's

1084
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 3: hard to sell to anything. And so I mean, I've

1085
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 3: known Jeff Kwantwitz for twenty some years, super smart guy, Cube,

1086
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 3: super smart, both sharp business guys, and I you know,

1087
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: it's it's just going to be hard because there's no

1088
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 3: there's no anchor for it, right, you guys going out

1089
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 3: there and watch you play like I've gone to the games,

1090
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 3: right and it's fun right now. I like to see

1091
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 3: the guys and everything, and you get good crowds, but

1092
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: it's hard to get the revenue from those tickets too.

1093
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: What's that consistence crowds? It's hard to get right. Sometimes

1094
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: it's like, oh shit, you know, people are like, we helped.

1095
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: We tried to, Like when you guys came here, we

1096
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 3: tried to do all the everything. Yeah, we showed up.

1097
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 3: Rick was there, you know, I was there. You know,

1098
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 3: we always try to help. But it's just it's just

1099
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 3: a tough business. And you know, if you look at

1100
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 3: like the TBT, the basketball tournament was winner take all, right.

1101
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 3: I talked to those guys too, and they're about break even,

1102
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 3: right because people have to pay to enter, right, and

1103
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 3: they have the games where they know they're going to

1104
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 3: get the biggest crowds, right, And so is there something

1105
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: where it could be a winner take all type thing?

1106
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 3: And it's just because you guys want to get paid

1107
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 3: because it's a physical toll there, and it's a catch

1108
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: twenty two. How do you generate enough revenue to get

1109
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 3: the guys paid enough to go through all the all

1110
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: the things you have to do to stay in shape

1111
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 3: and play. I don't have a good answer, you know,

1112
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: and hopefully you know, TV will help because you guys

1113
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 3: are broadcast, but there's just not a lot of money there.

1114
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 4: And even with tvt TV, TS transferruning football, they're gonna

1115
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 4: start doing football, turm.

1116
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 3: Soccer, yeah, yeah, soccer, yeah, because I told them they

1117
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 3: should do soccer right, because they make their money the

1118
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 3: same way pickleball makes their money, right by pickleball doesn't

1119
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: make their money by people coming to watch the pro

1120
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 3: pickleball players. They make their money because every amateur thinks

1121
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 3: of the world's greatest pick a ball player, every soccer

1122
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 3: player that ever played in college and every they still

1123
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 3: want to compete, and so they pay all the entry

1124
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 3: fees and so to play in the pickleball amateur it's

1125
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,919
Speaker 3: like golf where they have an open, right, all those

1126
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 3: people pay their money to compete. And that's the difference

1127
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 3: versus the Big Three TBT they all pay entry fees.

1128
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 3: TBT Soccer they all pay entry fees. You know, pickleball

1129
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 3: amateur open, they all pay entry fees. That's where the

1130
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 3: money is made. Interesting, right, so like maybe they do

1131
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: a thing where you do you have an open that

1132
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 3: gets to play the big three winner or gets to

1133
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: play Big three and you make money that way because

1134
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 3: you know how guys are, right, everybody thinks they can compete, right,

1135
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 3: everybody thinks they you know, they would have been the player,

1136
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 3: right only if if right cost plus drugs. Yeah. Thanks.

1137
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 4: I think that was something beautiful because I know so

1138
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 4: many of my people, you know, especially where me and

1139
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 4: my little brother from in our city, A lot of

1140
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 4: people died of us growing up, not being able to

1141
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 4: afford medicine, not being able to have just just the

1142
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 4: bare minimum things. So to be to to create something

1143
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 4: where people can't get their medicines at the affordable price,

1144
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 4: what was the thought into that process?

1145
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 3: Just that right? Care about people? Yeah, I mean it's

1146
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 3: crazy rocking science right about people. Yeah, and it's an

1147
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 3: easy business. We buy drugs, we sell drugs, right, but

1148
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 3: we'll be familiar with that too. Yeah, A little different,

1149
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 3: little different, Oh my god, not going to go there.

1150
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 3: But you guys don't know where I grew up, man,

1151
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 3: I can tell you talking about. But yeah, in this

1152
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 3: day and age, that people you know, have to choose

1153
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: between their rent, their daycare, wealthy food or their medications, right,

1154
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 3: is insane And a big part of The reason why

1155
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: that shit happens is because there's these big companies that

1156
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 3: are just like, let's just squeeze wherever we can. And

1157
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 3: so what we decided is we're going to create costplus

1158
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 3: Drugs dot Com. And what's going to be different than

1159
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: all the other ones. If you go to cost plus

1160
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: Drugs dot Com, know something you know and you put

1161
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: in the name of the medici medication that is prescribed

1162
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 3: by your doctor, right, and you put it in there,

1163
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 3: you'll see what our cost is. You'll see that we

1164
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 3: market up fifteen percent, and you'll see what we're charging

1165
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 3: for the mail order side or where you can pick

1166
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 3: it up and do it locally. Right. But it's all

1167
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 3: transparent because before us, if you think about what happens,

1168
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 3: like you've had prescribed medications. You go to the doctor

1169
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 3: and you say, okay, you need to take you know

1170
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 3: this maxicilin, right, and the next question out of their

1171
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 3: mouth is, okay, what pharmacy do you use? And then

1172
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 3: they send it to the pharmacy and you get there,

1173
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 3: you have no idea what it costs. And if you

1174
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: don't have insurance where you have a high deductible, it's

1175
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 3: scary as shit. You know, we've all heard stories about

1176
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 3: people being in the pharmacy and somebody in front of

1177
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 3: us can't afford their meds because they didn't know what

1178
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 3: it was going to cost. So by only marketing up

1179
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 3: fifteen percent, our prices are like dramatically lower. And it's cool,

1180
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 3: you know, you talk about being able to help people.

1181
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 3: I'm used to people coming up to me because of

1182
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 3: Shark Tank, used to people coming up because of mass.

1183
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: Now people are like wherever I'm at, hugging me, rying

1184
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 3: right because you know, and I get stories all the time,

1185
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 3: like Isaiah Thomas. We have a mutual friend from Indiana

1186
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 3: where we both went to school, right older idea Thomas

1187
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 3: not number four, And so he called me up because

1188
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 3: we have a mutual friend who lost his insurance and

1189
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 3: this kid was in a car accident and just paralyzed.

1190
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 3: And this drug, Droxadopa was going to be one thousand

1191
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 3: dollars every three months, and I'm like, we don't carry it,

1192
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 3: but let me check. Turns out we could carry it.

1193
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 3: We go out and get it sixty one dollars a month.

1194
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 3: Crazy man, God, I mean I can tell you a

1195
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 3: story after story, like people who like need a matnet

1196
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 3: which is like a crazy Oh my got chemotherapy drugs

1197
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 3: like down from two thousand to twenty six dollars, right,

1198
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 3: I mean, because you know, when you walk in and

1199
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 3: you need this drug to survive, you pay whatever you

1200
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 3: got to pay and they see you coming, right. But

1201
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 3: we've changed all that changed it completely. Now you know,

1202
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 3: they're using our website to see what the real price

1203
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 3: is and so like, no, I'm not going to pay that,

1204
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 3: I'll go to cost plus. And so this just changed

1205
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 3: the game. So it's been fun, it's it's exciting to

1206
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 3: be part of that. That's beautiful. You know how many

1207
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 3: times as a kid.

1208
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 4: Growing and where we where we grew up that our

1209
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 4: grandparents or somebody eldy're telling us, baby, can't you grab

1210
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 4: my medicine?

1211
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 3: Can you start grab my medicine for you? Because they

1212
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 3: couldn't afford it.

1213
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 4: Yep, they asking somebody of one of they is somebody

1214
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 4: that's stopping and grab their medicine.

1215
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 3: I heard that too many times in my life.

1216
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: That's dope just renewed for season fifteen. Yeah, talk to

1217
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: us about that. The business behind at the entertainment factor,

1218
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: do you guys actually make money off some of these investments.

1219
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know this is our fifteenth year. Next year,

1220
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 3: sixteenth year is going to be my last year.

1221
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 2: So this is a more year ago breaking news.

1222
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, shoes up, Yeah, right, it's time, right, But I

1223
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 3: love it because it sends the message of your American

1224
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 3: dream is alive and well, like you guys are entrepreneurs.

1225
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 3: You guys know what it takes to start a business.

1226
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 3: You guys have been through it. Okay, you know, investing this,

1227
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 3: investing this from other people. Now you start this and

1228
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 3: you run it. And I feel like, in doing Shark

1229
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: Tank all these years, we've trained a generation of entrepreneurs,

1230
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 3: multiple generations of entrepreneurs that if somebody can come from

1231
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 3: Iowa or Sacramento wherever and show up on the carpet

1232
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 3: on Shark Tank and show their business and get a deal,

1233
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 3: that's going to inspire generations of kids, right, And that's

1234
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 3: what happens. Right. So now we got people coming on. Yeah,

1235
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 3: I watched you when you were ten years when I

1236
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 3: was ten years old, right, fifteen years ago. I'm like, fuck,

1237
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 3: but we're helping them, right, And you know, I've invested

1238
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 3: in I don't even know how many hundreds of companies

1239
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 3: and on a cash basis, I'm down a little bit.

1240
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 3: But on a marked market meeting, the companies are still

1241
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 3: in operation to do. I'm way up. Like I've got

1242
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 3: this company, Beatbox Beverage, that I bought a third of

1243
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 3: the company for a million dollars and I've been diluted some,

1244
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 3: but they just did a raise at two hundred million, right, dude,

1245
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 3: wipes if you've ever seen them, right, I gave them

1246
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 3: I don't even remember, like two hundred and fifty grand

1247
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 3: for twenty percent of the company. They're doing fifty million

1248
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 3: dollars a year. They'll do one hundred million dollars in sales.

1249
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 3: They're killing it. So I've got all these companies that

1250
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 3: are killing it, but it's not you know, they're not

1251
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 3: sold yet or anything. So on a marked to market basis,

1252
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 3: I'm up ten. Next.

1253
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: That's dope your infatus on the show for kind of sniffing.

1254
01:02:58,360 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 3: Out the bullshit. Yeah, for sure.

1255
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: Anything you look at before they even start talking, body language,

1256
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: eye contact.

1257
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 3: Just listen to them, right, you can just tell you know,

1258
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 3: and body language matters because the harder they have to

1259
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 3: try to sell, the worst to deal, right, because like

1260
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 3: you guys don't have to sell this right, good, guys,

1261
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 3: it sells itself right. Guys know, they know what it's about.

1262
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 3: They know what you guys are about, and you connect

1263
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 3: or you don't, right, And when someone walks in on

1264
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 3: a shark tank, you can tell it to trying too

1265
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 3: hard or I have this rule. The longer the backstory,

1266
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,439
Speaker 3: the worse to deal. Meaning the minute you start telling

1267
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 3: me your how hard it was for you, it's hard

1268
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 3: for every motherfucking entrepreneur. Right, I don't need to hear

1269
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 3: your backstory. Tell me about your business, right, tell me

1270
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 3: why you're going to be successful, tell me what's different

1271
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 3: about it. You know how you stand out like you

1272
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 3: name a podcast, all the smoke you're going to stand out, right,

1273
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 3: everybody else tries to avoid you. Guys just took it

1274
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 3: head on, right, And so that's how you're different, right,

1275
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 3: And that's what I look for. And I look for

1276
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 3: ideas where it's like, damn, why didn't I think of that?

1277
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 3: And you know sometimes I get those deals. But how

1278
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 3: would you describe your hoop game? My hoop game? Yeah,

1279
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 3: I play.

1280
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 4: It was when since I first seen you warm up

1281
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 4: before games has always been slow.

1282
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 3: So were you up fast? No? About the team when

1283
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 3: I was in my four I was forty one, right

1284
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 3: and by the time you saw me, right, yeah, I

1285
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 3: could play. I play against NBA players all the time.

1286
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 3: Right now, I'm not good enough for you know, athletic

1287
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 3: enough to like play play, but you could put me

1288
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 3: on a court anywhere anytime and wouldn't embarrass myself. So

1289
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 3: for league right now, you'll kill I'm sixty five mother

1290
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 3: years old.

1291
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, sixteen up, I would kill it was sixty yeah, yeah,

1292
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 4: man a compliment.

1293
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I take that. It was sixty yeah, forty enough.

1294
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 3: I can stand in the corner and make shots. Right.

1295
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 3: But like you were talking about, like yesterday, I played

1296
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 3: with my son and I couldn't walk for two days, right,

1297
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 3: you know. And but I've been getting back in shape and.

1298
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, you and talk shit to you like my

1299
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 2: kids do. Hell yes, everything. Yeah, but you have done

1300
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 2: three times and that.

1301
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because it takes me a while. He always

1302
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 3: beats me the first game, right, I take it to him.

1303
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 3: I did not know you was in your sixties, yeah

1304
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah, so now it's just a lot more

1305
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 3: painful than it used to be. But like where I

1306
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 3: still play today, you know, it was back in the day.

1307
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 3: It was like the only court where there were runs, right,

1308
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 3: that was open. And so I played against Karl Malone,

1309
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 3: Avery Johnson, Derek Harper and Matrick Johnson, all these guys.

1310
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying like I taught them anything, right,

1311
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 3: not at all with them. Yeah, I'm just hooping, right,

1312
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 3: I'm not embarrassing myself, and I'm just passing me the ball,

1313
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 3: right for a reason. I'm for a reason now, I'm

1314
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 3: hoping for a reason. Right, Yeah, magic stuff shooting that ship. Right,

1315
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 3: He's the basketball here that you what you what is?

1316
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 3: What is it that you have against Elon Munk? I

1317
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 3: don't have anything against him, right, I think he's fucked

1318
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 3: up Twitter. But the guy the genius, right, he's like

1319
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 3: probably the best entrepreneur of our generation. Right, so I'll

1320
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 3: give his profits nobody. You can't just say it is dropped. Yeah,

1321
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 3: for sure you can't. Right, You're just gonna go get

1322
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 3: shipped unless I'm talking about costplus or putting up props

1323
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 3: for somebody, you know my because you're just gonna get

1324
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 3: shipp about everything. It's successible, right, But you know I

1325
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 3: drive a Tesla. You know I'm not gonna give I mean,

1326
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 3: I'll give him his proxy, right, he built some of

1327
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 3: the you know he's the but you know you can

1328
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 3: have you know, multiple right, can't win them all. I

1329
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 3: can't win them all. Are there any owners.

1330
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 2: You have like a friendly rivalry or not even a

1331
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 2: maybe not friendly, just kind of like a riot that

1332
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 2: you really enjoy beating or going up against.

1333
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 3: Not really, I'm not really close to to the other owners.

1334
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 3: How could you be though? So much different? Yeah, I mean,

1335
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 3: like you know, the young like I don't know mattis

1336
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 3: very well. I just said hi to them. The guy,

1337
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 3: the new guy in Phoenix, you know Ryan, the Ryan Smith,

1338
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 3: the guy in Utah's cool. We'll talk Walmart will talk some,

1339
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 3: but it's always just NBA business. It's not like we're

1340
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 3: just learning out or doing anything. I've never just gone

1341
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 3: out and hung out. And you know, I got my friends.

1342
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 4: You know, I would want to win a championship for

1343
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 4: you so bad because that's seeing you parted with the

1344
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 4: team with y'all want.

1345
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 3: Man, I know it'll be crazy. That's Rockey seventh figure too, right,

1346
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 3: let's done, my god, that's Dirk about us going out

1347
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 3: and having fun.

1348
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 2: Definitely, Who is Mark Cuban outside of business and basketball.

1349
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 3: Just dad, just a normal dude man, a kid who

1350
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 3: grew up in Pittsburgh. You know, my best friends are

1351
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 3: still my high school friends and my college friends. I

1352
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 3: played rugby and college and those are my guys forever.

1353
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not out there trying to be cool

1354
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 3: to anybody. I just, I mean, I'm a lucky motherfucker. Bro.

1355
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just. You know, when I die, I

1356
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,479
Speaker 3: want to come back as me. That's dope.

1357
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 4: That's really you know I said that, Oh he is

1358
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 4: at all times.

1359
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 3: I don't know. When I die, I want to come

1360
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 3: back as me. I do. Yeah, that's really dope.

1361
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 2: Balancing fatherhood and any advice you give your kids, they did.

1362
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 2: They actually they listened to because I'm.

1363
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 3: In the same boat. Oh my god, you your pocket

1364
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 3: is different, Oh way different. Yes, I'm just talking what

1365
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 3: this kid is coming with.

1366
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 2: I'm talking about in one ear out the other.

1367
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't matter why they find things. You know,

1368
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 3: everybody else kisses your ass. Dad, we're knocking. You know.

1369
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 3: It's like, I've got a twenty year old daughter, a

1370
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 3: seventeen year old daughter, and a fourteen year old son.

1371
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 3: The fourteen year old son is into sports, right, so

1372
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 3: that's cool. So it'll be like I'll get by the

1373
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 3: time I look at my phone, I'll have checks. It's

1374
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 3: Kyrie plain tonight. Right, why didn't we get James Harden Right,

1375
01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 3: we could have made a better deal for James Harden.

1376
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 3: You once I took him into the war room on

1377
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 3: draft night and he was in Evan and Evan right,

1378
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 3: because we had all these deals that we were doing

1379
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 3: and everything, and I'd go, Jake, you good with this deal?

1380
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 3: And I don't know, let me think, yeah, okay, I'm

1381
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 3: good with that deal. So my fourteen year old I'm

1382
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 3: close to and it's really easy. My middle daughter's athlete,

1383
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 3: the real athlete. She's a rower and she's going on

1384
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 3: her first trip to She doesn't let me talk about it,

1385
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,799
Speaker 3: but yeah, she's got she's getting getting recruited and everything.

1386
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 3: And then my oldest is they're all super smart, but yeah,

1387
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 3: they're they talk. I try, I tell you to do it.

1388
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 3: You were running the team one day. N I wouldn't

1389
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 3: put it through it, right, I wouldn't put them through

1390
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 3: it because no, no, because you know, he's fourteen, and

1391
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 3: I've talked to all of them about it, and I

1392
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 3: don't know, but like I'm sixty five, right, and ten

1393
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 3: years he's still only twenty four. Yeah, and my oldest

1394
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 3: is still only thirty. And that's not you know, you're

1395
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 3: not going to learn it then. Am I going to

1396
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 3: be eighty five trying to turn it? No? I don't

1397
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 3: want that to be me, right, So you know, I'll

1398
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 3: bring in somebody at some point. But Nico does a

1399
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 3: great job. Sint Marshall does a great job. Nico's Yeah,

1400
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 3: he's just changed just dramatically. I love the guy. Sint

1401
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 3: Marshall changed just dramatically. And so you know, and it

1402
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 3: goes back to like what we said about the television

1403
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 3: side of it, Like if the television doesn't kick in,

1404
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 3: because I know media, I know digital, I know all

1405
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 3: that shit cold, right, you got to bring in, you know,

1406
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 3: some other investors that know like real estate and development,

1407
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 3: because that's where the money is going to be coming

1408
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 3: in from potentially, right and definitely you know, you look

1409
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,759
Speaker 3: at Golden State, how can they afford all it? Because

1410
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 3: they own everything, right, and they do all the development

1411
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,719
Speaker 3: around there, and you see what Bomber's doing. The money

1412
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 3: that they see coming in isn't from the local TV deal, right,

1413
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 3: because Bali's is falling apart. You got to have and

1414
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 3: I'm not a real estate guy. So it's like I

1415
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 3: want I just want the manage to win. So if

1416
01:10:58,439 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 3: I have to bring in a partner who knows that shit,

1417
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 3: I'm fine with that. I just want their mams to win.

1418
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 2: Speak to the importance of hiring Cynthia Marshall.

1419
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 3: She's a beast. She is. She's like, she's smart, she's driven,

1420
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 3: she understands business, she knows what she doesn't know, and

1421
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 3: the things she's good as she's great at. You know,

1422
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 3: I think what people what I'm a big believer in

1423
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 3: for all my businesses. Let me take a step back.

1424
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 3: What's missing in almost all businesses this day and age,

1425
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 3: which really really changed in business is the number one

1426
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 3: product for every business has got to be trust. Like

1427
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 3: we talked about costplus drugs. You got to trust us

1428
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 3: and we do that through transparency. And I think with trust,

1429
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 3: you can connect to your customers and to get trust,

1430
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 3: your customers want your workforce to look like them. It's

1431
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 3: a representation. Yeah, I mean, it's just like if I

1432
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 3: see somebody who walks in like me, right, I see

1433
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 3: someone from Pittsburgh. I know, whatever the doors open for trust. Right,

1434
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 3: if there's nobody that looks like me, or there's nobody

1435
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 3: that looks like you or you, it's like, okay, what's up? Right?

1436
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 3: But if I see somebody that I can connect to,

1437
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 3: it may not guarantee trust, but you're at least going

1438
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 3: to be open to it. And Since gets that. And

1439
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 3: so when you look at our workforce and you look

1440
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 3: at how she's trained, and when you look at how

1441
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 3: she's developed trust among our customers, she gets it. She

1442
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 3: gets it right. And I wish I had people across

1443
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 3: all my businesses that I've invested in as smart as her.

1444
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,919
Speaker 3: And so she's really been a godsend from that perspective

1445
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 3: because she's good at business and she understands how to

1446
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 3: build trust. Because I don't care what kind of company,

1447
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 3: if it's a podcast, no matter what it is. If

1448
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 3: you don't have trust, you don't have a business.

1449
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 4: Before working for you, and probably still is, Nico is

1450
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 4: probably the most has the most influence of a basketball

1451
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 4: but under the.

1452
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 3: Radar, Oh yeah, anybody, oh, anybody I'm talking about from

1453
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 3: our era to there, you know to now? Oh yeah,

1454
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 3: I remember he'd come in, like going back to two

1455
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 3: thousand and three when he started at Nike right around then, right,

1456
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 3: and I'd be like, who's this dude, And that's Nico.

1457
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,919
Speaker 3: Not one person has a bad word, not a damn.

1458
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 2: Also too, if you got to think you're doing some shit,

1459
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 2: if you can go by just your just one name,

1460
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 2: your first.

1461
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 3: Name, yeah right, yeah, you know you right, but your

1462
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 3: last name, it's just Nico, right. No. I love Nico. Man.

1463
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 3: He's changed, he's changed. He's smart, he gets the work done,

1464
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 3: and he's prepared. He doesn't wing anything. Man. He calls

1465
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 3: himself the silent assassin. I love it. I love it.

1466
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 2: Well, Mark, we appreciate your time. Before we get you

1467
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 2: out of here. We got a few quick hitters. It's

1468
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 2: the first thing to come to mind. Let us know,

1469
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 2: biggest risk you've ever taken.

1470
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 3: Dancing with the stars flop bad, right, Because I'm believe

1471
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 3: or not, I'm not a big risk taker. Like I

1472
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 3: come and prepared. I do the work. You know. Bobby

1473
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 3: and I, the old school coach of Indiana used to

1474
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 3: the same that he's talking about. He goes, everybody's got

1475
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 3: the will to win, but it's only those with the

1476
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 3: will to prepare that win. And that's the way I

1477
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 3: approach business, Business is the ultimate sport. You compete, you

1478
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 3: guys know, right, and basketball eighty two games, thirty teams? Right?

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Speaker 3: How many podcasts are there? Bill? You compete against everybody,

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Speaker 3: and those competitive juice takes over. So I always look

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Speaker 3: at business as the ultimate sport. But you got to

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Speaker 3: be prepared. I'm gonna get to my question, but do

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Speaker 3: you have it? Are your action junkie? Action JUNKI No,

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Speaker 3: I'm terrified of heights man. You can't. Yeah, what's your

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Speaker 3: guilty pleasure? My guilty pleasure is just eating like a pig.

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Speaker 3: But what I like to do just go shoot really yeah,

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Speaker 3: just get shots up, like when I'm stressed. That ball

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Speaker 3: going through the net. That takes your mind off everything

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Speaker 3: like that. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Worst piece of advice you've ever heard.

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Speaker 3: Oh damn, yeah, one more round won't hurt.

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Speaker 2: Take that as you may. Classic, best piece of advice

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Speaker 2: you've heard.

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Speaker 3: Be nice, Be nice, And today is the youngest you're

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Speaker 3: ever going to be. Live like it. My dad can

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Speaker 3: tell me that all the time. Yeah. Dallas Mavericks all time,

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Speaker 3: starting five, Jerk Tyson at the Center, Rolando Derek and

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Speaker 3: I'll go with Mark aguire Rolando Blackman. If y'all don't

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Speaker 3: know who he's talking about, he was.

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Speaker 2: Married to Jenny Jones, right, the lady that was on TV.

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Speaker 2: They used to have the talk show. I think he was, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't he.

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Speaker 3: I don't think his talk show. No, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: He's white. Maybe tripping, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Most trusted person in your contact list if you need

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Speaker 2: some advice on any type of business.

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Speaker 3: My wife, really, Yeah, she'll tell me the truth on

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Speaker 3: anything and everything. And then probably no, probably Todd, you know,

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Speaker 3: business business. Probably my partner, Todd Wagner, the guy we

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Speaker 3: did the streaming business with. You know, we grew up

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Speaker 3: in this together, and he'll always tell me the facts. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he won't need that. Something you wish you were better

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Speaker 3: at jumping? You know I'd done for the first time

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Speaker 3: when I was thirty seven years old. That's dope. Thirty

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Speaker 3: seven years old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, childhood crush, Fara facet.

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Speaker 4: Ooh oh, five dinner guests dead alive?

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Speaker 3: Oh damn? Ted Turner, Warren Buffett, probably Elon Dirk and

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Speaker 3: fair of facet there you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, if you could see one guess on all the smoke.

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Speaker 4: Who would it be? But you have to help us

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Speaker 4: get your answer on the show.

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Speaker 3: Who you know?

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Speaker 2: You got a hell of a rollerdex too. Yeah, did

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Speaker 2: you hear that last work?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? The last you guys said Obama on No, I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you my quicker boum to help us get him

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Speaker 3: on the show. We appreciate it. We were in I

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Speaker 3: was in Nico's office with Finn and a bunch of

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Speaker 3: guys and Obama calls me right about a charity thing,

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Speaker 3: you know, at which you'd expect no big deal, right.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, Hey, this is Obama. You know, they're like

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Speaker 3: cool everything, and so hang up. Is only like a

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Speaker 3: two minute conversation. And then I put my phone in

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Speaker 3: my pocket, and you know, Obama's got a distinct voice. Right,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I heard hello, Hello Buttonal Obama.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, that's fine. I hope you heard that. We

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Speaker 3: need you come on, but Mark, we again.

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Speaker 2: We want to thank you, obviously for your time, but

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Speaker 2: also I mean for all the great stuff you do

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Speaker 2: across the board. It's not just sports to do. It's life,

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Speaker 2: like you said, you know, being nice to people. You

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Speaker 2: never know who is who, and how you can help people,

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Speaker 2: and I think that the stuff you do in sports

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Speaker 2: and business really helps people's lives. Man, we appreciate you

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Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a wrap, Mark Cuban.

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Speaker 2: You can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the

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Speaker 2: iHeart platform Black Effects.

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Speaker 3: We'll see y'all next week.