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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast

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Speaker 1: build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazer. And before I get to my guest today,

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Speaker 2: my guest boy, you know, you know, as a Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famer in the NFL, he should be up for

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame for GMS ex baseball player, my

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Speaker 2: drinking buddy. And you'll get in that a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But before we get to that, if you, like many people,

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Speaker 2: you may be surprised to learn that one in five

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Speaker 2: adults in this country experience mental illness last year. I

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Speaker 2: have far too many fella receive the support they need. Carolyn,

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Speaker 2: Behavioral health is doing something about it. They understand that

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Speaker 2: behavioral health is a key part of whole health, delivering

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Speaker 2: compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs

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Speaker 2: in tandem. Carolyn, behavioral health raising the quality of life

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Speaker 2: through empathy and action. All right, Welcome into Unbreakable, a

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Speaker 2: Mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer. And I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to wait. My guest here. He's done unbelievable job with

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Speaker 2: this Hall of Fame football career, Super Bowl winner, unbelievable

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Speaker 2: job as a general manager, making that jump, unbelievable teammate

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Speaker 2: of mind when he was a Fox Sports as well,

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Speaker 2: And that is the one and only forty seven read

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Speaker 2: John Lynch, how are you brother?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, glazy. This is this is kind of

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Speaker 3: awkward because you and I are usually just shooting that,

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Speaker 3: you know what, and to be on this kind of

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Speaker 3: formal setting, it's just awkward. But I do have to

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Speaker 3: say up front, I heard you reading you know that

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Speaker 3: that read about mental health.

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Speaker 4: I just can't tell you. I don't know if I

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Speaker 4: tell you this enough.

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Speaker 3: How proud I am of you for the contribution you're

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Speaker 3: making this so many who suffer with you know, something

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Speaker 3: that afflicts so many people in our country, and something

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Speaker 3: that for so often wasn't something that was talked about,

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Speaker 3: that was just kind of pushed to the to the

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Speaker 3: back door, and I think people like yourself who are

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Speaker 3: bringing it to the forefront, you know, still living a

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Speaker 3: fun life, a life that people want to live, and

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Speaker 3: showing people that you know, you can't struggle and still

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Speaker 3: have a real fulfilling life and the amount of people

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Speaker 3: you've helped. I hear it from people. I know you

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Speaker 3: hear it from people. I know how home Linden is

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Speaker 3: to you. But kudos to you, man. I love you

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Speaker 3: for it. I love you for a lot of things,

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Speaker 3: but I do love you for that. Yeah, man, you

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Speaker 3: can make my us cry.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it, dude. And it's funny because you know,

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Speaker 2: John and I've known each other for twenty something years

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Speaker 2: and he seen me do a lot of crazy shit.

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Speaker 2: But back then, let you we just said, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Glazier's crazy, right. We never knew depression anxiety great, I

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Speaker 2: never called it that. Just you guys just didn't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Did you know how much pain I

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Speaker 2: was in? You know I was crazy, But did you

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Speaker 4: I never did.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it's something I think about a lot

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Speaker 3: in my current role as a GM, A lot of stuff.

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Speaker 3: And I remember Tony Dungee used to tell me this,

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Speaker 3: I prided myself and I care about people, and I

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Speaker 3: like it's a quality that I think my parents instilled

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Speaker 4: We always had people random living in our house. I

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Speaker 3: That's how our family was. And I always pride myself

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Speaker 2: So what's the difference in the baseball and a football

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Speaker 3: Being in the minor leagues, man, it's the minor leagues

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Speaker 3: We used to have two practices. We don't anymore, but

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Speaker 2: And they're and their high school kids.

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Speaker 3: Football you're working, you know, there's a lot more work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then football is just yeah, work, work, work, work,

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Speaker 3: But you know, and there was something to be learned

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Speaker 4: I had a trainer of pet Gosk. You you met Pete.

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Speaker 3: Pete was an old Marine, and you know, Pete grinded

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Speaker 4: It harden you, you know, And I know that's a

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Speaker 3: Man, that helped me, you know, in hot games in

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Speaker 4: Now I think we're a lot smarter in training. We

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Speaker 2: It's smarter though, because we weren't as many injuries back there,

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Speaker 2: exactly what you're saying, Lichi. This called the Unbreakable Mental

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Speaker 2: Wealth podcast, but also the training system I created the unbreakable.

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Speaker 2: You know, our MMA system and our gym Our whole

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Speaker 2: thing is about pushing people's breaking points, pushing your breaking points.

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Speaker 2: Pushing your breaking points. Folks, if you push your breaking points,

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Speaker 2: And because you came in in great shape, we've gotten

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Speaker 3: And you know, but that's I do think like part

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Speaker 4: And you know, we try to be cutting edge. We

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Speaker 3: Listen to all the signals, but we're also we're going

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Speaker 3: We change when people talk about like badass. I bring

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Speaker 4: Because I've been doing it for the last eighteen years.

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Speaker 4: We're very clear and what we're looking for. So we

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Speaker 3: Can if you put some people that maybe haven't always

434
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,440
Speaker 3: understood timeliness and all that, if you put them in

435
00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,199
Speaker 3: a room full of people who get that, can you

436
00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:15,880
Speaker 3: raise the boat?

437
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,119
Speaker 4: Sure? But we have high quality people. That's not to

438
00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,200
Speaker 4: say they're not going to have struggles, and we've had that.

439
00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,159
Speaker 3: And I think through knowing people like you who have

440
00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,200
Speaker 3: been open and upfront and then going through pain myself.

441
00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,160
Speaker 3: I told you the story at Demetrius deposed, Junior stay

442
00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,639
Speaker 3: out and the thin Man. I was these guys best friend,

443
00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,000
Speaker 3: and I didn't always know the pain. I got to

444
00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,159
Speaker 3: be better and trying to identify these things. So the

445
00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,679
Speaker 3: only way is to educate yourself. How do you help people?

446
00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,920
Speaker 3: And I think the most important thing I've learned. You've

447
00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,520
Speaker 3: told me just be there for them and let them know.

448
00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's a great thing in the

449
00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,520
Speaker 3: NFL that like, we're required to have a therapist on

450
00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,520
Speaker 3: site and part of our organization. We have a tremendous

451
00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,040
Speaker 3: one and he'll be the first to tell you that

452
00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,520
Speaker 3: he's not for everyone. He's not going to connect with everyone,

453
00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,840
Speaker 3: and sometimes we send people to other but the fact

454
00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,520
Speaker 3: that we're there, we recognize. And if you know your

455
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,399
Speaker 3: players well, you know when they're hurt. So at times

456
00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,520
Speaker 3: it's self serving. Obviously, if players are feeling good about

457
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,359
Speaker 3: there and things are good at home, they're going to

458
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,080
Speaker 3: go play well.

459
00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,439
Speaker 4: But really it's more about just caring about the people.

460
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,159
Speaker 3: And you know, if you just keep your awareness about you,

461
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,679
Speaker 3: if you talk, if you communicate as an organization, you

462
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,840
Speaker 3: can hit some things off. And I hope we all

463
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,159
Speaker 3: kind of take that looking out and having any We

464
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,480
Speaker 3: talked a lot about having each other's back. That's the

465
00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,280
Speaker 3: forty nine er way. Ronnie Lott talks about that a lot,

466
00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 3: having each other's back. We want to have each other's back,

467
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,000
Speaker 3: and if you're doing that, it's on and off the field.

468
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 2: I think also you got two things. You're one if

469
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,520
Speaker 2: you're playing this level of the NFL. Dude, we've talked

470
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,720
Speaker 2: about everybody in there's crazy. You can't be great, and

471
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 2: I have some crazy you have to. It's again we've

472
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,920
Speaker 2: outworked the world that you've done playing in the NFL.

473
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,000
Speaker 2: I tell these guys who retire like you play in

474
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,080
Speaker 2: the NFL, that's not who the fuck you are. What's

475
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,040
Speaker 2: behind your ribcage and between years that got you to

476
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,360
Speaker 2: beat out millions and millions and millions, that's who you are.

477
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 2: That's not just there on a when the uniforms on

478
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,160
Speaker 2: are off. But as a result of this too, Man,

479
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,160
Speaker 2: a lot of the crazy that we have, and those

480
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 2: of us with anxiety, Lench, You're like, we make up

481
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 2: a lot of shit in our head that's not there.

482
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 2: And especially I now know from all the players I've

483
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 2: trained and the paranoia that we have. And I think

484
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 2: the paranoia drives a lot of us, but it does

485
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,879
Speaker 2: like it gets us to think, man, I'm getting caught on,

486
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna not have this position we're getting fired with.

487
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,439
Speaker 2: And you guys, it's hard for you guys to know

488
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 2: that about us. They're all everyone in them there. Your

489
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,159
Speaker 2: best players have insecurities. That's like, oh fuck it, it's

490
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 2: gonna end tomorrow. And it's just my thirtieth year doing

491
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 2: this shit. I still go through it. You know, every week,

492
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 2: got off a big scoop on Sunday. Fock, I'm Yesterday's.

493
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 2: It's just not it's not accurate. But you've been able

494
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 2: to Again, we've talked about it more. But I'm just

495
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 2: letting you know. It's there. It's in your locker room.

496
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,360
Speaker 2: It's every day. There might be fifty three guys in there,

497
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 2: but there's two hundred personalities and a thousand thoughts that

498
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 2: raise their head. And all those thoughts seem real to us.

499
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Speaker 3: And you know what, play is the thing I've learned

500
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 3: more than anything. And I haven't really proud of our

501
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 3: league and our organizations. This organization gets it as much.

502
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 4: And this isn't me. This is our ownership.

503
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 3: What you do for the players once it stops, because man,

504
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 3: as much as you say, that's not who you are,

505
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 3: that's what they know.

506
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 4: And their day's been planned form.

507
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 3: Yes, they're very disciplined people, but they've been given a

508
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 3: schedule their whole life, and all of a sudden, the record.

509
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 4: Just stops boom.

510
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 3: And it's like so many of these guys and I

511
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 3: tell them like don't don't Freese, don't sit there and

512
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 3: just lay in bed, because like, get out, go volunteer

513
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 3: at your boys at girls club.

514
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 4: And I know as teams, the more.

515
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 3: Opportunities just an alumni weekend where we have guys here,

516
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 3: they feel a purpose, they feel a connection, they feel like, hey,

517
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 3: I'm still loved. I'm appreciated for all that hard work.

518
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 3: You know, I'm limping, but the team that I played

519
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 3: for still appreciates me. And I think it's good for

520
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 3: them just to be out. And so this league, you know,

521
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 3: Tracy Perlman, our friend, is doing wonderful things at the

522
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 3: league with the Legends community and each of the teams,

523
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 3: they're taking more active role. And that's so important because

524
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 3: so many of these players feel like abuse, like, man,

525
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 3: I gave my life for this organization and I'm kind

526
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 3: of forgotten. And I think this league Baseball is like

527
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: really good, Like they all their old guys come back

528
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 3: to spring training and their ambassadors for their team. Football

529
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 3: hasn't been as good. It's kind of more like we

530
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 3: got to keep these guys outside. We're going to run

531
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 3: this team, and man, there more of those guys we

532
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 3: can have around.

533
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 4: It's good for the organization and it's great for them,

534
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 4: and I think.

535
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 2: These players too. Yeah, they need to go get I

536
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: tell you guys all the time us get something, but

537
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: don't jump with the first thing because it may not

538
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: be great. Don't just do something because you've earned the

539
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 2: right and you've laid the blood and sweat out there.

540
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: You got that money. Enjoy your fucking life. Like exhale,

541
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 2: don't jump jump with the first thing. But yeah, we

542
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 2: got to fill your schedule. You need a structure, you

543
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: need to do something, and that's where it gets scary

544
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: for a lot of these guys. Last question I asked

545
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: all my guess this, it's the Unbreakable Mental Wealth podcast.

546
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 2: Give me the one moment in your life, it could

547
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 2: be your career, in personal life, whatever, it is one

548
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 2: thing that could have broken, you should have but didn't,

549
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,479
Speaker 2: and as a result, you came through the other time

550
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 2: of that tunnel stronger for the rest of your life.

551
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 4: Oh man, good, Yes, it's yeah, You're make me think

552
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 4: a lot. You know.

553
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 3: This is where my gratitude I talked a lot about

554
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: it because your Hall of Fame speech. She plays the

555
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: thing here you're identifying as as athlete. You don't spend

556
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 3: much time reflecting or any time because you're always onto

557
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 3: the next deal. But when you have to write a

558
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame speed, it makes makes you think a lot.

559
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: And you know what I the first thoughts that I

560
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 3: really started thinking about is the gratitude I had for

561
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: other people that believed in me before I believed in myself.

562
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: So what I'm talking about. I was drafted to Tampa,

563
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: you know, in the third round, and Sam Wisch and

564
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 3: this team and I go to the worst organization at football,

565
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 3: and I had a Floyd Peters was our defensive coordinator,

566
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 3: and God blessed Fly Peters, good man, but he didn't

567
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 3: want to take Sam Weis, the head coach wanted to take.

568
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 3: So I didn't know all this when I was drafted.

569
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: But Floyd tried to make my life miserable. He was

570
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 3: an old school coach. All he called me was rookie,

571
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 3: and even when I played well, he would tell me

572
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 3: everything that I did wrong. And I'm saying I'm real right.

573
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 3: I left a promisee baseball career with the Florida Marlins

574
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 3: to follow my passion. Now I'm on the worst team

575
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: in all the sport and I can't get on the field,

576
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 3: Like what did I do?

577
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 4: And I thought about going back to baseball, But then

578
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 4: thank god, there were people.

579
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 3: And early on it was a teammate like Hardy Nickerson

580
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 3: or Martin Mayhew who later came back and worked. And

581
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 3: then later on it was Tony Dungee and her Edwards.

582
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 3: All these people said things like, no, man, you stick

583
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 3: with it because you're going to be her Dwards was

584
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 3: the first one who said you're going to be Hall

585
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: of Fame football player. I didn't think bad about myself,

586
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 3: So I think probably most proud about persevering through being

587
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 3: on a real bad team not having success. And I

588
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 3: couldn't have done it without people my wife first and foremost,

589
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 3: who was with me the whole time, who.

590
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 4: Never, never once didn't believe in me, and you get me.

591
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 3: But those people that stuck with me and said, no,

592
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 3: you're gonna because it was my life, it was my passion.

593
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: It wasn't my life, my family least my life. My

594
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 3: faith is my life, but it's a very much part

595
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: of my life. And so the people that stuck with

596
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: me and then to fight through and bust through those

597
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: walls and be unbreakable and come out, you know, getting

598
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame, winning a Super Bowl.

599
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 4: I mean that's I'm blessed man.

600
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: A man, I'm blessed to have you as a brother.

601
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 2: I appreciate it so much. I know you guys are

602
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: so busy, man, trying to build this two ball team upside.

603
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't tell you how much I appreciate

604
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: you taking the time.

605
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 4: Brother.

606
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 2: This is good. Like I've never interviewed you when you played.

607
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, we come along a way since since the first time.

608
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I heard about Jay Glazer.

609
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 3: We were on a plane flight from Tampa to play

610
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 3: the New York Giants. We had a rookie. We had

611
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 3: a deal where our eldest vet sat in the exit

612
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 3: bos well. We had Tom Tupa who was in his

613
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: nineteenth year, a punter.

614
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 4: We had a rookie.

615
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 3: I'll leave his nameless, but decided that a punter's not

616
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: going to sit in the exit. Bro he's an offensive tackle,

617
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: big man, and he said in the exit. I remember

618
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 3: Brooks called, bitch, I need your help. So I went

619
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: told to this rookie, hey out of the exit row.

620
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 4: That's too but you.

621
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: Said it wrong. You said stronger than that. Talk about

622
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: that seat and get your heads back of the right.

623
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

624
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: I said that after he said he wasn't moving, and

625
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: I said you move or and then it broke into

626
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 3: a scuffle and we get off the plane. You know,

627
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 3: A source tells me that John Lynch got into a

628
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 3: flight on the plane and I'm like, who is this guy?

629
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 3: And how does he know what happened on our plate?

630
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: I felt so violated. This is a team, this is

631
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 3: our plate.

632
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: Hey, hey man, I built my own team. You know,

633
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: I got my Blaze Mafia around and that's who it is.

634
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: We all build each other up.

635
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 4: Man.

636
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: That is funny, that's right, because it's the first time.

637
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: I so you have to like, how the fuck did

638
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: you get that? I don't know you? And I'm like,

639
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: how fuck I know you? I'm fucking telling you how

640
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: I got.

641
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 4: And I know who. I'm not gonna need it. One

642
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 4: of my best friends in the world. He just went

643
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 4: into the Hall of Fame. He warn't up for twenty

644
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 4: John Lynch.

645
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: Man, I appreciate you so much, brother man.

646
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 4: Appreciate so much. Love you, brother me