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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, you be on this Friday when it looks

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Speaker 2: like the end of days here in Western New York.

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Speaker 2: It is raining sideways.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I saw animals lining up two by two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is arc like so sure, crazy crazy weather Friday,

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Speaker 2: and we're looking at a saggy weekend here in Western

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Speaker 2: New York. Hopefully where you are it is significantly better.

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Speaker 2: But welcome into One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

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Speaker 2: with you. As we said, thirteen days away from the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four NFL Draft, and we just got the

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Speaker 2: list yesterday, late yesterday, the list of NFL prospects who

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Speaker 2: have agreed to attend the NFL Draft in Detroit. And

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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, Steve, I feel like this list

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Speaker 2: gets shorter and shorter every year. A lot of players

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Speaker 2: are opting to celebrate the day with their families. And

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Speaker 2: I get it, man, I do too. Why I understand

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Speaker 2: the spectacle of the draft and sitting in the green

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Speaker 2: room and it's waiting to walk across the stage.

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Speaker 3: What an experience go out on the stage and like

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Speaker 3: you know, like a guy like Caleb Williams, that guy

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Speaker 3: is going to be out there and stuff, but you

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Speaker 3: get down much further than that, and it is an

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Speaker 3: enormous opportunity to be embarrassed nationwide if you don't get picked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like Aaron Rodgers, for example, who did an awfully

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Speaker 2: long time to hear his name.

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Speaker 3: Called, yeah Thurman. Thurman was at home. Well, Thurman was

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Speaker 3: at home, but he had he had camera, was there

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Speaker 3: and he was asleep. Then listen, how do you not

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Speaker 3: love from the word? Yo, man, I love him. Screw

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Speaker 3: you guys. And that's like, and I'll tell you this,

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Speaker 3: I love it. I'm me sitting here next to you, brownie.

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Speaker 3: Three and a half decades maybe what a four decade?

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Speaker 3: Ninety eighty eight? What is it? Thirty four years later,

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Speaker 3: I'm still the beneficiary of the chip that that put

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Speaker 3: on Thurman's shoulder. I'm still cashing that check. That guy

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Speaker 3: what an absolute monster after he got it back. I

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Speaker 2: Talk about planning a moment that scene.

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Speaker 3: Man, Oh my gosh, I'm still cashing that check. He's

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Speaker 3: the best. Yeah. So that that's why I wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: he could think about it. Man, they're so certainly they

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Speaker 3: let you bring some people with you into the green room. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but man, you want to go. You want to be

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Speaker 3: at home with the with your peeps. Man, you gotta

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Speaker 3: you gotta hunker down and enjoy it and take the

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Speaker 3: and when's it gonna ring? And who's it gonna be?

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Speaker 3: One of them? I was by myself in a dorm

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Speaker 3: room and it was one of those times. Back then,

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Speaker 3: the draft started at seven am on a Wednesday and

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Speaker 3: it didn't stop until it was done. I remember, uh.

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Speaker 2: I remember talking to Phil Hanson for a pre draft

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Speaker 2: story about his draft d experience. He's at one double

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Speaker 2: a North Dakota State, and he's talking about how guys

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Speaker 2: me he has to work out. Yeah, like a scout

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Speaker 2: shows up and says, hey, we're working out today. Oh

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Speaker 2: all right, I guess I better get loose, that's right,

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Speaker 2: And he'd have to work out.

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Speaker 3: That's what happened for me too.

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Speaker 2: He said he had they didn't have if I remember

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Speaker 3: The stories we had when I'll tell you this, when

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Speaker 3: Nick Nikolau that I was telling you about one of

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Speaker 3: went out to Chadron State to to oh for beb

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Speaker 3: That's right. Does just take a step and push it?

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Speaker 3: And when Bebes became available at the time he did

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Speaker 3: five Super Bowls and one to one with a pack,

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Speaker 3: so had the great career that the stories about guys

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Speaker 2: Local prode, local prode.

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Speaker 3: The stories of guys and what happened to them on

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Speaker 3: their way to the NFL are there. There's a million

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Speaker 2: Well you have one yourself. Your short shuttle time was

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, every scout that came in looked

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Speaker 3: So and these they knew they the times they were getting,

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Speaker 3: they could you do that again?

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Speaker 2: Like they didn't believe that, right.

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Speaker 3: Because they knew that if they went back and gave

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Speaker 3: the guy said, well, then when I show up over there,

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Speaker 3: at you and he's say you're the guy, and I'd say, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was, That's the way it was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of great stories like this.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yeah. And yeah, it's it's a great

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Speaker 3: time of the year for these guys, and these guys

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Speaker 3: They show up, you know, they you know, they get

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Speaker 3: for him it's it's awesome. It's awesome to see.

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Speaker 2: There was I'm trying to remember his name off the

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Speaker 2: but I'll I'll get it, and then when I do,

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Speaker 2: I'll share the story. Because the guy was so big,

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Speaker 3: Well, they had take him to a butcher shop.

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Speaker 2: They had to take him to a local feed store,

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Speaker 2: right and put him on the platform. Yeah, a feed

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Speaker 2: that's a big dude, No way, he was four twenty one.

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Speaker 3: That's a big dude. That's a big oh man, that's

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Speaker 3: like Jerry Kraft area.

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Speaker 2: That's bigger than Jerry Craft's.

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Speaker 2: Well, uh but yeah, it was wild, wild, wild stuff.

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Speaker 2: So you're all kinds of stories. More more NFL Scouts

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Speaker 2: should write books because just the people they come across

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you never know, and it's the old, it's the old. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike Jasper.

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Speaker 3: Never you never know where you're going to find some guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike Jasper went to Bethel University. He was an

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Speaker 2: Nixy your twenty ten, twenty eleven, twenty twelve, somewhere in there,

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Speaker 2: so they had to take his truck, Mike Jasper's truck,

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Speaker 2: And they basically told him, if you can get down

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Speaker 2: And he did.

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Speaker 3: We had that too, ye had. Jerry Kraft was the

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Speaker 3: same way, and they wanted him under three sixty and

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Speaker 3: he struggled with it and and got he was. It was.

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Speaker 3: It was an ongoing joke. And you know, guys are

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Speaker 3: merciless in the locker room. They were on him all

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Speaker 3: the time and they said, Jerry, what how you're So

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Speaker 3: he got down to like three fifty nine, three fifty

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Speaker 3: eight for way in day and they go, Jerry, what how?

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Speaker 3: How like how long would it take you to get

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Speaker 3: and all that? You know, I mean if you just

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Speaker 3: go up to four hundred, how long would it take

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Speaker 2: He can put on forty pounds in twenty twenty hours.

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Speaker 3: That's what he said. Twenty four hours. Wow.

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Speaker 2: And he was And I know, and I know the

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Speaker 2: big guys. I know the big guys can put on

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Speaker 2: weigh fast and they can also drop it fast if

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Speaker 2: they put their mind to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty pounds in two days is not a big

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Speaker 3: I saw a friend of mine when I was a

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Speaker 3: of noseguard for the And this was back in the

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Speaker 3: in the steroid era. And he weighed three like he was.

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Speaker 3: He weighed into three, three, twenty five or whatever. And

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Speaker 2: Yeah, elsewhere around. Anyway, I should give you the full

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Speaker 2: we're actually going to bounce off of Greg Cosell as

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Speaker 3: That guy's name is Mike Stensrude, former O's tackle.

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Speaker 2: Oh stens rusks Rude, You know who I was channeling

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Speaker 2: the Oilers, right, Yes he was. That was the name

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Speaker 3: The Oilers back in the day took five offensive linemen

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Speaker 3: There's some dudes. Jim Romano, former center for the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you go back in time. This is

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Speaker 2: The only other bit of NFL news for around the NFL,

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Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. I thought, Steve, because I voiced this

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Speaker 2: And I completely forgot all about how Tom Brady does

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Speaker 3: Yeah he No, Come on, bro, like, what here's the

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady is gonna come back in November somewhere and listen, Nobody,

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Speaker 3: and I mean nobody is going to sign that guy

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Speaker 2: Turns forty seven in August.

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Speaker 3: Forty seven, get lost, forget it. You're not bringing in

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Speaker 2: I can tell you one thing, Steve. Tom Brady is

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Speaker 3: That's fine, pare well.

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Speaker 2: So he should be.

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Speaker 3: The only guy in there. I mean, that guy's he's

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Speaker 2: Right yeah, and you know what, I kind of you

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Speaker 2: And then he beat him in the Super Bowl with

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Speaker 2: on the tweets sheet and ask your question there at

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Speaker 2: one bills Live. But let's jump on the phone lines here.

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Speaker 2: We lead off with Joey in Lockport. What do you

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Speaker 7: Joey, Hey, guys, love your show, Love your show, Love

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Speaker 7: your show. I'm I'm kind of puzzled. I don't hear

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Speaker 7: anything about von Miller. I know that he had the injury,

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Speaker 7: He's going to be the old von Miller? Is they

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think we're all anticipating. And Brandon Bean

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Speaker 2: to be age twenty eight Vaughn, you know, going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd agree with it, but.

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Speaker 2: The proof is in the pudding. Yeah, we won't know

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Speaker 3: He redid his contract, no question about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a billion dollars haircut.

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Speaker 3: And I think that last year he just wanted to try.

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Speaker 8: as as far as my therapy goes, I'm really concerned

437
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Speaker 8: about Milano and a lack of actual transparency in what

438
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Speaker 8: his actual injury has been. I'm very curious as to

439
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 8: if it's just a broken bone, why it's taking him

440
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 8: so long to come back to the point where they're

441
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 8: speculating he might not be ready to beginning a camp.

442
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 8: So I'm worried that there's more of an injury there

443
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 8: than we realize, and it's So what would it take.

444
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 8: What would we have to parlay with our second round

445
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Speaker 8: pick to get up as far the board as we

446
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Speaker 8: can in the second round to maybe grab one of

447
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Speaker 8: those two linebackers you guys talked about yesterday, and those

448
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Speaker 8: are my questions today.

449
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Speaker 3: Guy.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Okay, what do you want to take there?

451
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Speaker 3: Steve Well, the Milano think that. I don't think that

452
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 3: Milano they're trying to be secretive or or or anything

453
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 3: like that with Milono's injury. The fact of the matter

454
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 3: is it's a it's a different injury than you see

455
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Speaker 3: in football.

456
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: I think knowing that the rehab is still going on

457
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: now is clear indication it was more than just a

458
00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: broken bone.

459
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Speaker 3: And I think I think what happened was the way

460
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 3: I understand it, that it was a broken bone, but

461
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 3: it was broken right at the point of attachment for

462
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 3: a for a ligament, you know what I mean, So

463
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 3: instead of the ligament giving the bone that attaches the

464
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Speaker 3: ligament to the whatever it's one of the It's weird,

465
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Speaker 3: it's not. It was not a normal knee injury, no

466
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 3: question about that. So I think the the lack of

467
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 3: clarity is the fact that it's an it's an injury

468
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Speaker 3: that is unique. It's unique. Uh so there's not really

469
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Speaker 3: a law about you know, like they got nine thousand

470
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 3: knee injuries that are all a cls, MCLs, you know,

471
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: and pcls and you know lcls. You know all that,

472
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 3: all four ligaments in your knee. They got all kinds

473
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Speaker 3: of backlog information and decades of research and anecdotes and

474
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Speaker 3: how long it takes to come back from every kind

475
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Speaker 3: of degree of all of those. This is not those

476
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: I think that's the problem. I don't think they're trying

477
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Speaker 3: to be untransparent. I just think this is new, uncharged

478
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 3: territory for a lot of people in the in the building,

479
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: and it's not a common injury. So that's why there's

480
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 3: a lot of consternation about how long it's taken Malano

481
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Speaker 3: to get back.

482
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and without a third it would be very hard

483
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Speaker 2: to move up in round two mark to get into

484
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Speaker 2: that loa to mid forties range where guys like Edrin

485
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: Cooper and Peyton Wilson are expected to come off the

486
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: board at the top of the linebacker pecking order, you'd

487
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: have to part with probably at least half of your

488
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: day three picks along with your pick at sixty to

489
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Speaker 2: get up there.

490
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Speaker 3: If you wanted to take this year's sixtieth pick and

491
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Speaker 3: put it with one of the twos next year, you

492
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: could probably get up to where the Bills are at

493
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: twenty eight. You know what I'm saying. If you took

494
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 3: two two's, you could get up inside the first round,

495
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Speaker 3: but not all that high in the first round.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you're just looking looking to move up

497
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: into the low forties, it's going to be tricky and

498
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 2: you may have to use your third next year to

499
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: do that along with your two at sixty. So that's

500
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: easier said than done. I would say, as far as

501
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Speaker 2: what I'm anticipating, I don't think Brandon Bean makes this

502
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 2: giant move up the board. I just think he covets

503
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: his draft capital too much, both present and in the future.

504
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: And I've used this example several times already on the show.

505
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: Even when he traded up for Josh Allen in twenty eighteen,

506
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 2: he did not part with future draft capital, and then

507
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: he traded up again for Tremaine Edmunds again did not

508
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: part with future draft capital. He covets it maybe more

509
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: than current draft capital, and knowing they have limited draft capital,

510
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 2: this year. I just don't see a giant move up

511
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: the board. I could see them moving on from one

512
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: of their future twos now that they have two of

513
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: them after the Digs trade, I could see that, but

514
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 2: that only gets you up into the mid teens. I

515
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: really just don't foresee anything into the top ten, primarily

516
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: because in his mind, I think it costs too much.

517
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: And then secondarily, you have a strong receiver class as

518
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: it is, and you might just be able to sit

519
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: there at twenty eight and get somebody pretty good in

520
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: the top seven.

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00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 3: So yeah, the Bills have got a ton of picks

522
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 3: this year, but they're all at one twenty eight or

523
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 3: or below. They're all in second and eight of them

524
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 3: are in the second half of the draft, and they

525
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 3: are totally out of the third round. They got a one,

526
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: they got one, one, one, two, and then everything else

527
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 3: is late fourth round and beyond. So they've got a

528
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 3: lot of picks, but they're very well down the pecking order.

529
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: So that's why we say even though they got a

530
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 3: lot of picks, they don't have much collateral to get

531
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Speaker 3: into the trade value trade that's strong. If they take

532
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: this year's one and this year's two, the twenty eight

533
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: and the sixty and put them together and said how

534
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: high can we jump? You'd get to number seventeen at Jacksonville.

535
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 2: That's what you're looking at.

536
00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: That's what you're looking at.

537
00:27:59,520 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: Now.

538
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: If you take next year's one, you can get all

539
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: the way. You know, then you can get just inside

540
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: the top ten. You can get to about nine.

541
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: I think we said eight.

542
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 3: I think Atlanta. So if you took this year's one

543
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: and next year's one, because the next year you have

544
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: to kind of it depends on how you value next

545
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: year's one. If they give you a tome, if they

546
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 3: think you're gonna be good, they're gonna give you a

547
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 3: low first round value because you're gonna be drafting late

548
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: in the first round. If they think you're gonna be

549
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 3: like Minnesota, the number two of the Bills are gonna

550
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 3: get from Minnesota wherever they finish because of the Houston

551
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: trade with Digs. Minnesota is gonna stink this year theoretically,

552
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: so that second round it might be a thirty seventh pick,

553
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: a thirty sixth pick in the draft. That's pretty good.

554
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: That's a lot of collateral that the Bills are gonna

555
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: get for the Steph Diggs trade, so that's in the

556
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: mix as well. But you're looking at all this, you know,

557
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: is forward thinking trying to trade future picks. It's a

558
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 3: dicey a dicey scenario. So the highest they can get

559
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: with what they have in their pocket right now for

560
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: this draft twenty eight and sixty, you can get all

561
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: the way to seventeen and that's about it, and then

562
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 3: you can start Even when you start piling on five

563
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: of these late round picks, you're still not gonna get

564
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: very much further because they're not that valuable.

565
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Speaker 2: Now break time for us here, but more of your

566
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Speaker 2: phone calls when we come back, as it is OBL

567
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Speaker 2: Friday Fan mail Bag. Any question you've got, We're here

568
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Speaker 2: to take it. Jerry and Tonawanda will lead us off

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Speaker 2: when we come back here on One Bill's Live, presented

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Speaker 2: by Klida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, welcome

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Speaker 2: back to a Friday edition to One Bill's Live. Chris Brown,

572
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you. OBL Friday Fan mail Bag is

573
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: open for any and all of your questions at eight

574
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: oh threeho five fifty or on the tweet at one

575
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Speaker 2: Bills Live. Back to the phones, we go into Jerry

576
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: and Tonawando.

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Speaker 9: What's up, Jerry, Hey guys, I'm gonna go a different

578
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 9: route with you. I'll let the Bills, I'll trust what

579
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 9: they're gonna do in the upper rounds. I got I'd

580
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 9: like to look at the smaller schools in the ladder rounds.

581
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Speaker 9: And I got. I watched South Kota State this year.

582
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 9: The last couple of years, they won their FCS conference

583
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 9: two years in a row, did not lose a single

584
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 9: game when undefeated, and they got some players I feel

585
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 9: we could get on on drafted free agents or in

586
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 9: the ladder rounds. And one is Jadeen Yankee six three

587
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 9: two ten. He runs a four to four. He's a

588
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 9: field stretcher, he has great hands. And then, like you, Chris,

589
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 9: you mentioned Davis the running back six one two averages

590
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,239
Speaker 9: over six six yards of carry uh that he's been

591
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 9: compared to Tony dor Set. He had over six thousand

592
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 9: yards in the last two years or in his season there.

593
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 9: And he benched two twenty five twenty three times the

594
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 9: broad jump of nine to eleven. And I think those

595
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 9: two we could get in the ladder rounds, hopefully if

596
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 9: some other team doesn't pick him up or they got

597
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 9: a Cole Wazuski from North Dkota State. He's six four

598
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 9: two twenty ran a four to six dash. He had

599
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 9: eight picks last year, two return for touchdowns. Maybe him

600
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 9: as an undrafted free agent. And then South Kota State

601
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 9: had a couple of guards and tackles that set records

602
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 9: in the combine, big guys. So I'd just like hopefully

603
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 9: that the Bills take a look at South Dakota State.

604
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 9: They had several players that are going to play in

605
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 9: the NFL, but we could probably get in the latter

606
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 9: of rounds.

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00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, South Dakota State Jack Rabbits, Yeah, and Yeah Yankees.

608
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: He's six three two ten, so he's got size.

609
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 2: Well. Actually, there's two brothers. It's Jackson Yankee and Jaden Yankee.

610
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: They're in the same draft. They both play receiver, and

611
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: both are as priority free agents. You know, by most

612
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: of the draft services. Those are two guys I have

613
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: not seen personally. They are way down the list, and

614
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be undrafted rookies unless one team

615
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: is absolutely in love with those guys. But they are

616
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: a brother combination. They're both sixth year seniors, and they're

617
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: pretty much pretty much let me look at this the

618
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: same size. They're both a little over six to two,

619
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Speaker 2: a little over two hundred pounds, and they kind of

620
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: run the same four five three and four or five eight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll say this to four five it's fast enough,

622
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: particularly at that size. What it comes down to then

623
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: if you're running a four to five as an NFL receiver,

624
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: you got to be able to change direction, explode out

625
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 3: of breaks fast, and be separator. You can you can

626
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: do that that's fast enough to be effective. I mean

627
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: the kid last year, Puka Nakula kind of that same

628
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: round pick. So that you can find guys like that,

629
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: and if they're in the right situation, with the right offense,

630
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: running the right routes, yeah, they can make it. Go

631
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 3: of it, and you don't have to be a four

632
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 3: to three guy to have a good career.

633
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: And I will say that depending on how many picks

634
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: the Bills end up holding on to and utilizing in

635
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: this draft to take players will go a long way

636
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: in determining just how large they're undrafted free agent class is.

637
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: I personally think it's going to be a little bit

638
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: larger than it's been in years past, because right now

639
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: they've only got sixty four players on the roster. Yeah,

640
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: if you use all ten draft picks, that's seventy four.

641
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: It still leaves you with sixteen spots on your offseason

642
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: roster to get to ninety. If you want to do that.

643
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: You don't have to do that, but most teams like

644
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: to do that, especially for the early spring camps. Get

645
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: a look see at some people, that kind of stuff.

646
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: So the undrafted free agent class could be a little

647
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: bit larger for the Bills this year than it's been

648
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: in years past. We'll just have to wait and see.

649
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: Over to Tim and Charlotte, we go.

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Speaker 10: What's up, Tim, Hey, guys, appreciate it.

651
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Speaker 11: Happy Friday. I just wanted to ask you two quick questions.

652
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Speaker 11: The first one is I was curious if you guys

653
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 11: think the Bills value, or at least should start to

654
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 11: covet a little bit more of of some vocal leadership.

655
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 11: I know that the you know, we don't see everything

656
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 11: as fans. You guys are really tuned in there with

657
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 11: what's going on, but you don't see too much since

658
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 11: like the Lorenzo Alexander's and the Kyle Williams of the

659
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 11: world are no longer there. So I was just curious

660
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 11: if you think the Bills value that and if they

661
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 11: should maybe even covet it a little bit more. The

662
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 11: second question that I have is, and it's kind of

663
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 11: golf related because of the masters, who in the Bills

664
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 11: media is an absolute wagging out on the golf course.

665
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 11: I know you guys do an event every summer, or

666
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 11: at least I've heard there's an event every summer, you know,

667
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 11: whether it's Seal or whoever. Is there anybody that we

668
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 11: should know that we listened to on a daily basis.

669
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Speaker 11: Who is an app blue stick on the golf course? Thanks,

670
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 11: appreciate it.

671
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: I don't know Steve plays golf. I really don't, so

672
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: I can't speak to it because I don't even play

673
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: with anybody.

674
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 5: I don't know.

675
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: I can't tell you I don't. I don't get to

676
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 3: play in the media thing because I'm we're working the show.

677
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: We're working. Good. Good question, though, I'd like to know.

678
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: But but as far as leadership, I'll say this, that's

679
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: one of the highest priority characteristics they look for in

680
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: all of their draft picks, not only the number one

681
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 3: draft pick, but also their rookie free agents, the guys

682
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: down the roster. That's one of the things they value

683
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: above all things, and that's one of the cr the

684
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: top criteria that is included in every evaluation. What kind

685
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: of leader is he? What kind of personnel does he?

686
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: Is he strong in adversity? Does he easy vocal? Is

687
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: he a tall is he a you know, raw rock guy?

688
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 3: Or is he a quiet? What? What's he like? What's

689
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 3: his story? And that's part of the evaluation process. Don't

690
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: think that just because guys here, you know, don't fall

691
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: into the Kyle Williams kind of category, that that isn't

692
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 3: part of their makeup. Certainly it may not be the

693
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: deciding factor on a lot of guys, but is always

694
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: included in the evaluation. Every team values leadership to the

695
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: highest degree. They want guys who are quality amongst men,

696
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Guys that help others rise up.

697
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 3: That's an important characteristic. Don't think they don't value it

698
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: very high.

699
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: The one thing that Sean McDermott does here, and he

700
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: did this right from the jump in twenty seventeen, he

701
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 2: always makes sure there is a veteran in the room

702
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: at every position, so there is a leader, a built

703
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: in leader in every position room. And he did that

704
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: here right from the word go. I mean, he brought

705
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: Mike Tolbert in at the end of his career to

706
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: be the leader in the running back room when they

707
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: really didn't have anybody else. And then he's what he

708
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: does is he grooms the future leaders because those leaders

709
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: aren't going to be on the roster forever. Lorenzo Alexander

710
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 2: long gone, Kyle Williams long gone, Mike Tolbert long gone,

711
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: and the new leaders became Poyer and Hide. And now

712
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: those guys are gone, and everybody is expecting Taron Johnson

713
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: and Terrell Bernard to be the vocal leaders of this

714
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: defense going forward and up there might be a couple others.

715
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: And you still have Vona, I.

716
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: Still have Von and Greg Russeau and some of these guys.

717
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: It's not in the person I like Matt Mulano. I mean,

718
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 3: I think, you know, I you see the guy all

719
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: the time, and I've yet to hear him say like

720
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: two words. You know, he's just not that kind of guy.

721
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: He's quiet, lead by example. Yeah.

722
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: So, but Tarn even talked about it this offseason about

723
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: being a more vocal leader. He knows right after he

724
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: signs his contract extension, he was asked about that because

725
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: Poyer and Hyde were already out of the door. So

726
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: wis Tredavious White? And he's like, yeah, I'm fully prepared

727
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: to be a more vocal leader. Why because they have

728
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: been grooming him to be that. So when the older

729
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: players age out, there is a new influx of leadership

730
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: ready to take on that mantle.

731
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: I'll say this too. Coaches like Sean McDermott, and you

732
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 3: know all those guys over there on that side of

733
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: the ball and both sides of the ball, they've always

734
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: got They know these guys very well and they do

735
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: not They will not hesitate, particularly a year like this

736
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: where there's been so much turnover on the defensive side.

737
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: They'll Sean McDermott will sit Tarren Johnson or what have you,

738
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: or could be Christian Benford or Kyer Elim, you name it,

739
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: Taylor Rapp, could be Mike Edwards. He's gonna send them

740
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: down say listen, we need you to be that guy.

741
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 3: We need you to be that guy. We need you

742
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: to set the tone with your with your voice as

743
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 3: well as your play. They'll call the guy out and

744
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: say listen, this is part of your deal. Now, that

745
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: is a common occurrence in the NFL across the league.

746
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: You you got to ask you, guys, say, listen, we

747
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 3: need you to be the lead dog in this room.

748
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: And guys, will you know, for the most part, will say, man,

749
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 3: give me the chance. Let's got the right kind of guy.

750
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the phones into Mark and Jersey City.

751
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,959
Speaker 12: What's up Mark, Good afternoon, gentlemen. It's always fascinating hearing

752
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 12: Steve stories about Jerry Krafts. Pro Football Reference has him

753
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 12: listed at three forty three.

754
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: He was bigger than that when he was here.

755
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: That's a shadow. His shadow weighs three forty three.

756
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's funny.

757
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 12: I don't know anything that extreme, but I grew up

758
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 12: in boxing, and the craziest thing I ever watched it

759
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 12: was the last fifteen round championship fight Evander Holyfield in

760
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 12: the Omni Center in Atlanta, fort a really short guy

761
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 12: named Mohammed Kuali, and he lost fifteen pounds during that fight,

762
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 12: and he just like, I can't imagine trying to fight

763
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 12: somebody and losing that amount of weight. Yeah, especially, yeah,

764
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 12: fun that's when he was a cruiser weight too, not

765
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 12: at heavyweight. But we always talk about the high end

766
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 12: guys the top either trading up for one of the

767
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 12: Big three or four if you want to put Thomas

768
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 12: in that group or this you know, the guys like

769
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 12: Mitchell and lag get right below them. I was wondering

770
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 12: who you guys like in that third tier, you know,

771
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 12: or maybe rounds two till five and Sneaky Neat. I

772
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 12: know you guys say, I know Steve's You don't really

773
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 12: say your group, but I know you say linebacker Chris

774
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 12: Saul was just curious what you what you guys feel

775
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 12: about those two topics.

776
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for taking time.

777
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: I'll say for middle tier, my receivers are Ricky Piersall

778
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 2: number one. Love Ricky Pearsall. I think he's underrated as

779
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: a prospect. I think his route, his ability to separate

780
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: at the stem of the route is borderline elite. I

781
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: think he can help you outside and inside, so I

782
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: think he offers versatility, route polish, route savvy, and he

783
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: doesn't drop the football. So for me, Ricky Piersall is

784
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: aces as far as the middle tier is concerned. For

785
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: my money. I also like Malachi Corley, the Western Kentucky kid.

786
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: I thought he had a great senior bowl, built like

787
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: a running back kind of that positionless player. And then

788
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk, the kid from Washington who was kind of

789
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: overshadowed by a dunze. Him and Jalen McMillan for that matter,

790
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: we're kind of overshadowed by a dunze and we know why.

791
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: But I think Jalen Polk has a lot to offer

792
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: as an NFL receiver. Good size, will block and get

793
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: his nose dirty in the run game. I think he's

794
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: a guy that can help your team right away. He's

795
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: not a number one, but he's a guy that knows

796
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: his role and plays it to the fullest. So those

797
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: would be the three that I would have his middle

798
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: tier receivers that I like.

799
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I echo what Brownie says too. I mean,

800
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 3: you can take your pick of these guys because and

801
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 3: what I start to do more and more the further

802
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: down the list you get, I start to lean on size, height,

803
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: weight and speed. Everything else to me can be taught

804
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: during a training camp. And so that's what I look forward.

805
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: You get a guy like Ricky Piersoll, catch radius is ridiculous.

806
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: There's guy you know this, Malachi Corley. He's five eleven

807
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: two fifteen, runs fast, uh Davontees Walker from North Carolina

808
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: UH six to two of buck ninety three UH six

809
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: one two oh three. The white is Jalen Polk. Javon

810
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 3: Baker is six one two two from UCF. And and

811
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: I like the schools like you see the ones that

812
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: are you know, they're really good football schools, but they're

813
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 3: not Florida, Florida State, Clemson, Alabama, you know, Georgia. They're

814
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: just one knock off of that, like UCF and Central

815
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 3: Florida and schools like that turn out some great athletes.

816
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 3: And for me, the further down the way you get

817
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: from the top of the draft, it becomes more and

818
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: more about the traits, the physical traits, uh. And you

819
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 3: try to get your coaching staff to get the rest

820
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 3: of it, like the the you know, the rawness. You

821
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: polish them up. I guess you know you want your

822
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: coaching staff to polish these guys up. But you gotta

823
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: have some traits that will get you through the rough

824
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: spots as a as a young player. And that's so

825
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: for me, that's what it becomes about. It becomes about

826
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 3: what they bring to the table physically, and then let's

827
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: polish up the rest of the stuff.

828
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: Break time for us more of your phone calls. Next

829
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: Mike and Easter Or will lead us off. If you're

830
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: holding an eight h three oh five to fifty, we'll

831
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: get to you next year on one Bill's Live. Stay

832
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 2: tuned back here on one of those live Chris Brown,

833
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you. Our last caller also asked us about,

834
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: you know, a sneaky need. I thought linebacker is a

835
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: sneaky need. I think Safety is the other one. Probably

836
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: might not be glaring because they filled some holes, you know,

837
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: signing Taylor rap back and then signing Mike Edwards away

838
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: from the Chiefs and free agency to help fill the

839
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 2: void there at Safety. I also have Camu was back

840
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: in the fold, but I think that could be a

841
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: sneaky need for an influx of youth to the group.

842
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: But let's get back to the phones, and as promised,

843
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: we lead off with Mike and east Aurora. What's up, Mike, Hi, how.

844
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 6: You guys doing today?

845
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 3: Good?

846
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 6: Hey?

847
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: Uh?

848
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 6: Obviously I've been on the train of Pap Robinson for

849
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 6: a while, but now that stuff has been traded, I'm

850
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 6: on the wide receiver train and I look at Buffalo

851
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 6: two hopefully trade down. I want them to trade their

852
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 6: first pick and their fourth pick for two first rounders

853
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 6: this year.

854
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

855
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 6: And there's only two teams you can do that with. Uh, Carolina, Well,

856
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 6: are you, Mike?

857
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: I mean two two's not two ones?

858
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 6: Yes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, my mistake, my mistake.

859
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: I don't think you're getting I don't know if you're

860
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: getting two twos for that. I think you get a

861
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: two and a three.

862
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: Who says yes to that? It might get a two

863
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 3: to nobody's going to give you two two's for a

864
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: one and a three.

865
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty steep. And I know Carolina and Houston

866
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: have two twos. As a matter of fact, Mike, I

867
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: would encourage you to listen to our Bills by the

868
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: Numbers podcast because we discussed this very subject, possible trade

869
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 2: partners for the bills, whether it's up or down. And

870
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: you're right, Carolina and Houston have two second round picks each.

871
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: They do not have first round picks, so there could

872
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: be an impetus to want to climb back into the

873
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: bottom of round one. That makes a lot of sense.

874
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: I don't think you're getting both of their twos from them, though.

875
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: I don't think that would add up a one. I

876
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: think you could get a two and a three if

877
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 2: you're if you're sweetening the pot with not just your one,

878
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 2: but something else, like a couple of fours, perhaps as

879
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: you suggested, And I think there is merit to trading back.

880
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: We talked to Bill Barnwell from ESPN. They're NFL draft

881
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: and analytics expert. He discussed the merits of trading back,

882
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 2: and I think it could at least make an argument

883
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: for it. I tend to think that if the board

884
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: falls the right way, that Brandon might just sit there

885
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: and pick at twenty eight if the value's gone at

886
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 2: receiver and maybe some other positions. Yeah, I think trading

887
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: back into round two might be more likely at that point,

888
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: but I think that's very much a wait and see.

889
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: We know one thing we know Steve Brandon was hot

890
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 2: about not getting a third round compensatory in the compensatory formula,

891
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 2: they only got an extra four four and they lobbied

892
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: the league.

893
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he said, at every moment during the regular season,

894
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: you're keeping track of what your status is and how

895
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: that's gonna go.

896
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: And they were checking with the league. We're good, we're good.

897
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: Right, we're checking with the league about that third compensory

898
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 3: pick and then it comes out to it and they

899
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: said no, And it's because they kept books and separated

900
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: the numbers a little differently than the Bills did. And

901
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: when they finally got to the point where the rubber

902
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: meets the road, you know, the Bill skidded to a

903
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: fourth round pick instead of a.

904
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: Third San Francisco, same thing happened to.

905
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 3: Them, and neither team was very happy about it.

906
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they filed grievances or called the league and then

907
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: got on the phone with them and said, hey, what

908
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: your math does an equal armath? What the heck's going on?

909
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: So that could be another impetus, you know, for him,

910
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: you know, if he wants to add a three to

911
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: his stable of draft capital, trading back might be a

912
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: way to accomplish that. To Joe and Williams, will we go,

913
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: what's up? Joe?

914
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, how are you doing good. I've got a

915
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 4: fact and I've got a question I'd like to answer.

916
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 4: What you started your show and you had mentioned that

917
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 4: Tom Brady was talking about coming back at the end

918
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 4: of this year, maybe in November or whatever, and he

919
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 4: would be forty seven years old, and that made me

920
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 4: think of George Blanda that was forty eight years old

921
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 4: when he retired. He played from nineteen fifty to nineteen

922
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 4: seventy six he retired, and he was both a quarterback

923
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 4: and a place kicker, and he was one of the

924
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 4: last place kickers that kicked the ball straight up right.

925
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 4: But anyways, that made me think of him. Now, my

926
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 4: question is, you guys have been talking about this draft

927
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 4: value chart and it sort of fascinates me. How is

928
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 4: this constructed and made up? I mean, I know, Chris,

929
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 4: you've mentioned something about a britshale, and I don't know

930
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 4: if that's the name of that chart that they use.

931
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: Oh God, serious kicking in there.

932
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay, Joe. I'm going to let you go

933
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: because we're up against the break anyway. But I get

934
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 2: the nature of your question.

935
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

936
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson, the former head coach of the Cowboys, came

937
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: up with a draft value chart years ago, back in

938
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 2: the nineties.

939
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: He's like the first guy to do it too.

940
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he assigned a point value for each pick,

941
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 2: and obviously it descends in value the further down you go,

942
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 2: and it descends precipitously come round four, five, six, seven,

943
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: and then there have been alternate versions. There is a

944
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: rich Hill trade model. There's also one that appears I

945
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 2: believe on over the cap that they have. I think

946
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 2: one of our friends of the show, Brad Spielberger, actually

947
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: constructed one of the more newer versions of the trade

948
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: value chart. What the gms in this league subscribe to

949
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: the most I couldn't pretend to know. But if you

950
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: go back and look at trades from last year's draft,

951
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: for example, and you apply the Jimmy Johnson trade value

952
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: chart to it, it still comes pretty close ballpark. So

953
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: it's a I think it's it's used as a guideline,

954
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: but not the end all be all, but it is

955
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: used as a guideline by a lot of gms around.

956
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: There are different ones as well. There with the dawn

957
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 3: of analytics now now, and a lot of teams have

958
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: their own right exactly, but they're all kind of ballpark.

959
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 3: And once they get on the phone they start talking,

960
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: then it becomes, you know, it becomes an art form

961
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 3: rather than analytics, because you know, their trade charts a

962
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: little different than yours, and you know, so you got

963
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 3: to kind of mesh them together, and you got to think, well, yeah, oh,

964
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 3: cast good enough, kind of thing. We'll take that deal.

965
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 3: And that's why too. It has become commonplace in the

966
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 3: league since the flow chart is when, for instance, the

967
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 3: Bills digs deal where you give them this one and

968
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: they give you, We give you a player and a pick,

969
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: and you give us this play this pick, and then

970
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 3: we flip flop picks in another round. You know what

971
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Uh, These late round flips are just the

972
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: just the fringe value that they feel like they can get,

973
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 3: if you know, to make it a little bit better

974
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: for him. And that's why they threw in a sixth

975
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 3: round pack at the end, that kind of stuff, because

976
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 3: those picks are less valuable, but they do tip the

977
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 3: balance because every one of those picks is really valuable

978
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 3: because it's a guy.

979
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: Or if you're a little short on a trade, you

980
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: throw in a seven to kind of even and out.

981
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: That's right kind of how it works.

982
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here because coming up an hour

983
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: number two our weekly visit leading up to the Draft

984
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: with senior producer from NFL Films, Greg co cell As,

985
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: we are going to talk defensive tackles and edge rushers.

986
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 2: We know the Bills still have some depth to fill

987
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: on the roster at those two positions, will go over

988
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 2: some of the prospects and what Greg co Sell sees

989
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: on film from that crew. Next here on One Bill's

990
00:51:36,640 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: Live presented by Colid of Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

991
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: The One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

992
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,479
Speaker 2: All right now number two on a Friday, Chris Brown,

993
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you One Bill's Live and joining us

994
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 2: now to break down the latest position group for a

995
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: senior producer from NFL Films, Greg Cosell, joining us. Greg,

996
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: good to have you with us, And Uh, I know

997
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 2: we've been pounding the heck out of the receiver position.

998
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: We've even done that with you more than once. But

999
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: we're gonna flip sides of the ball here and go

1000
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: d line. And I guess we'll start with the defensive

1001
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: tackle class, which by most accounts, UH has some measure

1002
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: of drop off pretty quickly after that quote unquote top tier.

1003
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: But we know we know Byron Murphy's gonna be gone

1004
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 2: in the first twenty pick, so we're not even gonna

1005
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: bother with him, and we'll move.

1006
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's he's the best one based on tape, without question, but.

1007
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: We'll move on from him and go to Johnny Newton,

1008
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: who I think is is an interesting case because a

1009
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 2: lot of people say, you know, not ideal in terms

1010
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: of size, but you want to talk about production. He's

1011
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: got that.

1012
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 5: I'm just glad he changed his name, you know, and

1013
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 5: now we're calling him Johnny because I had no idea

1014
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 5: how to pronounce his name before. That's right, Yeah, I

1015
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 5: mean he he's of the kind of and then you

1016
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 5: guys will remember this. He's kind of of the Geno

1017
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 5: Actings school in terms of body type. You know, Grady

1018
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 5: Jarred who now plays in the league, would be like

1019
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 5: that to some degree. At Oliver who obviously you know,

1020
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 5: well you know, he's one of those sort of compact,

1021
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 5: muscular build guys. But he's got exceptional quickness and burst

1022
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 5: at times, really active and sudden and violent hand usage.

1023
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 5: I would say he's more of a pass rusher than

1024
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 5: a run defender at this point. He's got light quick feet.

1025
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 5: He plays on his toes, which is really interesting for

1026
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 5: a guy that size with that body type. I think

1027
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 5: his game's built more on quickness than power. He's a one,

1028
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 5: one gap penetrating d tackle, you know, essentially a three

1029
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 5: technique in a four man based front. Could he play

1030
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 5: in a in a five man front? Sure, I mean

1031
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 5: everybody sort of does that now that the Bills really don't,

1032
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 5: but a lot of teams do. But I see him

1033
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 5: more as a as a three technique and a four

1034
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,479
Speaker 5: man D line even front. You know, the Bills their

1035
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 5: base front is a is an overfront, so you'd have

1036
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 5: a three technique. He played three technique in that.

1037
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 3: Right And as you get closer, he had a really

1038
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 3: nice season for Illinois Defensive Player of the Year in

1039
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 3: the Big T And how much help did he get

1040
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 3: from the guys around him playing at Illinois? I would

1041
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 3: think that and playing at that high level, did he

1042
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 3: stand out because he was kind of by himself on

1043
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 3: that defense? How does he when you watch tape? You know,

1044
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 3: does he dominate lesser opponents? Does he play well against

1045
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: big time guys?

1046
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 5: They actually had a pretty good defense. They have a

1047
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 5: stand up backer named Seth Coleman who I thought was

1048
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 5: going to come out, who chose to go back, who,

1049
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 5: depending on the year he has in twenty twenty four,

1050
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 5: could be a top sixty pick for sure. And then

1051
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 5: there was another player, Keith Randolph on that D line

1052
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 5: who I don't think he had this year he was expecting.

1053
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 5: But he'll get drafted. No, you know, it's funny, yes

1054
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 5: that you know all these none of these guys come

1055
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 5: out without any concern Steve as you know, and you

1056
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 5: know when you watch Newton there are times he came

1057
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 5: off the ball too high. He lost some quickness and explosiveness.

1058
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 5: The question is can that be fixed? You know, you

1059
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 5: know he's a power player and that's what he is.

1060
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 5: You know, I think he has to become a better

1061
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 5: run defender in the National Football League if he used

1062
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 5: to play every snap, you know, a full time player,

1063
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 5: so you know, every once in a while, and this

1064
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 5: happens a lot, by the way, with guys who play

1065
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 5: a lot of snaps in college but aren't going to

1066
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 5: play that many snaps in the NFL. Sometimes the UC

1067
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 5: plays where the effort isn't quite what it is, you know,

1068
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 5: there's a lack of intensity. That's just because they play

1069
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 5: so many snaps in college football. But in terms of

1070
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 5: the traits that he has, they're pretty high level. You know,

1071
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 5: he's he can be a dominant inside pass rusher and

1072
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 5: that's really that's what he is. He's a one gap

1073
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 5: pass Rusher.

1074
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: All right, so let's move on to another guy in

1075
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: the Big ten, Chris Jenkins, who obviously has NFL bloodlines.

1076
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: He's not nearly as big as his dad was. He's

1077
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 2: probably about sixty five pounds later, but more of a

1078
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 2: looser athlete than his dad. What is the ceiling maybe

1079
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 2: the most attractive quality here, because I don't know. I

1080
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: think some of these Michigan guys get dinged because they

1081
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: don't necessarily have the production. But there are some that

1082
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: argue there's like this team first mentality that was at

1083
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: Michigan under Harbaugh that kind of doesn't allow players to

1084
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: truly maybe shine individually. Do you subscribe to any of that?

1085
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 5: No, because I don't think that. I don't think that

1086
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 5: has anything to do with what their traits and attributes are.

1087
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 5: Now you're talking about production, which is that's It's like players.

1088
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 5: On George's defense, not all their guys have big production

1089
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 5: because they have so many five stars. Michigan's probably in

1090
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 5: a similar category, But that has nothing to do with

1091
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 5: their traits and their attributes. I don't care whether Jenkins

1092
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 5: had six sacks or three sacks. The traits are the same.

1093
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 5: He's a guy that initially is going to be a

1094
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 5: run defender. He's the bottom line as he enters the

1095
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 5: NFL Brownie is that he doesn't really have any meaningful

1096
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 5: pass rush profile at this point in time. He doesn't

1097
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 5: really have any one gap penetrating traits at this point

1098
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 5: in time. So those are projections. You may think he

1099
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 5: can do it, and in three years you may say, Wow,

1100
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 5: we drafted the right guy and this is this is special.

1101
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 5: But that's not what he showed now. You know, now

1102
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 5: he's much more of a guy who'll be in his

1103
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 5: NFL career as a rotational, second unit based defense D tackle.

1104
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 5: I don't think he's a one gap player at this

1105
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 5: point in time. You hope he becomes more than that.

1106
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 5: You know, when I was watching him, I was thinking

1107
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 5: of players like A'shawn Robinson, guys like that, who are

1108
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 5: you know, base defense D tackles, really important players on defenses.

1109
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 5: But you're what you're seeing on tape with him is

1110
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 5: just what I said, So you have to you're projecting,

1111
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 5: you're hoping he can become more than that. There are snapshots,

1112
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 5: there are flashes of pass rush throughout. He showed in

1113
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 5: effective spin move here and there. So the question is

1114
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 5: can that be a starting point to develop into at

1115
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 5: least a functional inside pass rusher at the next level,

1116
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 5: because he's not really that right now.

1117
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so where does it and if and let's face it,

1118
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,439
Speaker 3: most teams value the pass rush as much or more

1119
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 3: these days, and they do even ability to run stuff

1120
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 3: even in defensive tackle even you know, because right they

1121
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: almost take for granted the ability to stop the run

1122
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 3: in the NFL because they do it with scheme and

1123
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 3: guys and gaps and that gap integrity and if you're

1124
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 3: big enough to hold the gat, you know what I'm saying.

1125
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 3: So the pass question, so that's gonna drop Chris Guys

1126
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 3: like Chris Jenkins who are old fashioned run stuffers that

1127
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 3: that hurts him.

1128
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's what is tape show now, Like I said,

1129
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 5: then it becomes a projection. And and that's why the

1130
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 5: draft is hard, and that's why sometimes you get guys

1131
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 5: right and sometimes you get them wrong, because you can

1132
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 5: look at a guy like Chris Jenkins and say, man,

1133
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 5: those snapshots of pass rush are really good. I think

1134
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 5: he can become a great pass rusher. And if he doesn't,

1135
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 5: you know, and if you draft him with the idea

1136
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 5: that he's going to be that, which means you would

1137
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 5: draft him higher because obviously run defenders if you are

1138
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 5: not drafted as high no one, or you shouldn't anyway,

1139
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 5: you know, in my view, but that's just my opinion. Normally,

1140
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 5: just run defenders are not top fifteen or top twenty

1141
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 5: picks in a draft, and no one suggesting that Chris

1142
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 5: Jenkins would be. But you're trying to figure out, as

1143
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 5: you project him, is there more to his game that

1144
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 5: can be cultivated and developed beyond being a rotational piece

1145
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 5: and a seven or eight man d line rotation. That's

1146
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 5: what you have to decide, right all right?

1147
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: Next up is the behemoth from Texas to Andre Sweat,

1148
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: probably one of the few true nose tackle types, has

1149
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: some pretty nimble fee for being three hundred and sixty

1150
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 2: two pounds. Would you consider him more than just a

1151
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 2: phone booth player.

1152
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 5: Greg, Yes, And I think the tape tells you that

1153
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 5: was fascinated by this kid. There's probably no question he

1154
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 5: should probably have a few more salads brownie than maybe

1155
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 5: bagels and cream cheese. But I think he's a fascinating project. Now,

1156
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 5: of course, he just I think had the dui. But

1157
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 5: let's put that aside for the moment he's he's a

1158
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 5: massive man. He clearly had space heater qualities, no question,

1159
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 5: he's a challenge to block one on one. But I'll

1160
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 5: tell you what he showed quickness off the ball, he

1161
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 5: won in gaps, he won with hand usage, he won

1162
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 5: with range. He showed some pass rush. I think he

1163
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 5: has untapped potential as a pass rusher. Now. He weighed

1164
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 5: three sixty six at the combine. My guess is he's

1165
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 5: not going to weigh three sixty six when he plays

1166
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 5: in the NFL. You know, keep one thing in mind.

1167
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 5: He came to Texas, Okay as a high school the

1168
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 5: end at six three, two forty nine. So this guy

1169
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 5: is not like a history when he was twelve years

1170
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 5: old of being a big fat guy. So he can

1171
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 5: probably lose some weight. Now you don't want to, you know,

1172
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 5: you're not looking to get into three hundred, but if

1173
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 5: he could lose twenty pounds, that would be a big deal.

1174
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 5: I'll give you an example. He's way better in terms

1175
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 5: of his movement than someone like Jordan Davis. He's not

1176
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 5: going to be drafted as high as Jordan Davis, but

1177
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 5: he's a far better prospect. I got to tell you,

1178
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 5: the more I watched him, and I watched a ton

1179
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 5: of Texas because they had you know, Murphy, they had him,

1180
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 5: they had the linebacker Jalen Ford, I almost thought that

1181
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 5: he was potentially if again, I'm just telling you now,

1182
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 5: if it all comes together, I don't want people to

1183
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 5: think I'm saying this is what he is tomorrow, if

1184
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 5: we're to all come together. I kind of saw him

1185
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 5: like a Vita Vea or a Dexter Lawrence or Fletcher

1186
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 5: Cox type player. I mean there's a lot there. He

1187
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 5: has really light feet for a big man.

1188
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he seemed strikes me as a guy a

1189
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 3: space either. I always think back to my old teammate

1190
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 3: Ted Washington and we've had you know, every time.

1191
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 5: He's more nimble than that Steve right exactly.

1192
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that the guy that you know, he's gonna be

1193
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 3: in the middle of a really good run defense no

1194
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 3: matter what anything happens around him because you can't move him.

1195
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 3: But but you're selling he's a much better athlete than

1196
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,959
Speaker 3: people are giving him credit for because of his weight.

1197
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you see him. I mean even at

1198
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 5: the combine, he moved pretty well. I mean, he's he's

1199
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 5: not just in his movement. A big fat guy. But

1200
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 5: you know, we'll see, you know, the duy is gonna

1201
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 5: hurt him. As far as the draft, I imagine, you know,

1202
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 5: we'll see, you know. I don't know if he has

1203
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 5: any history of of anything else. I don't get to

1204
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 5: see that stuff. Teams have all that info. I don't,

1205
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 5: But he was he was kind of a fun watch

1206
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 5: and I watched a lot of games.

1207
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. One guy that that I liked, at least on tape.

1208
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 2: I was a little disappointed to see how undersized he was.

1209
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 2: Was Makai Wingo from LSU Missouri transfer guy transfers to LSU.

1210
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 2: They name him Captain. I was impressed by that unrelenting

1211
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 2: work ethic according to his coaches, and I think he's

1212
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 2: got some burst. But how much is the size gonna

1213
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 2: hurt him? Greg at just over six foot and two

1214
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 2: eighty four.

1215
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he's he's along the lines of the

1216
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 5: kid who came out from Pitt last year, Elijah Cansey

1217
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 5: remember him who went to Tampa. He's not quite as

1218
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 5: explosive as canc He can't see almost was like a

1219
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 5: running back. It could hurt him, but there's no question

1220
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 5: that he he doesn't have the size and lanes ideally desired,

1221
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 5: you know, for the position of dtackle. But there's no

1222
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 5: question as well that he's really compact and explosive. I mean,

1223
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 5: he's another fun guy to watch on tape. He can

1224
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 5: win the leverage game, he can generate strength and power

1225
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 5: with his first step explosiveness. You know, he's gonna be

1226
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 5: one of those guys, Brownie, that there'll be some teams,

1227
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 5: you know, that with their critical Factors template all teams

1228
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 5: have that as you know, that may say, ah, he's

1229
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 5: not even on our draft board because we're not drafting

1230
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 5: a six foot two hundred and eighty four pound defensive tackle.

1231
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 5: There might be other teams that say, hey, this guy's

1232
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 5: tape is really good, and it's been good for two

1233
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 5: years there. So I like watching his tape. I don't

1234
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,919
Speaker 5: know how teams will see him, but there's definitely something there.

1235
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 5: In fact, I like watching him much more than his teammate,

1236
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 5: who was a big, big time recruit, Mason Smith, whose

1237
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 5: tape did not really jump out to me much.

1238
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 2: At all, right, I mean, he was coming Mason Smith's

1239
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: coming off the ACL injury, you know, and was coming

1240
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 2: back from that this year but I agree with you.

1241
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: I like Wingo more than Smith. I'm with you on that.

1242
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I did too. I mean Smith Smith. You know,

1243
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 5: he's the kid who got hurt celebrating in the first

1244
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 5: game two years ago. People might remember that he was

1245
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 5: a consensus five star coming out. He was the nation's

1246
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 5: top rated d lineman. I know he's coming back from

1247
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 5: the injury. He looked a little overweight this year. Maybe

1248
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 5: that's an issue, but I think he's high hipped and

1249
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 5: high cut. He's a little stiff. He comes off the

1250
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 5: ball too high, Steve. You know, it's hard to fix

1251
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 5: the guys who come off the ball high, right, That's

1252
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 5: a hard thing to fix.

1253
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well seemingly so, because nobody seems to fix it.

1254
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 3: I mean you get a guy there. Yeah, you know,

1255
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 3: those guys with the long legs, You would think they

1256
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 3: would have to bend their knees more. They never do.

1257
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 3: They stay they say they never do so, so it's

1258
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 3: imparently impossible. Let's go one more prospect. Luke root Que

1259
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 3: a row row Row.

1260
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, good job.

1261
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 5: It's easy for you to say. Yeah, well we'll call

1262
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 5: him Rooque for now. Yeah. Yeah, he's he is one

1263
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 5: of the most fascinating d tackles in this draft because

1264
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 5: he is so big at six four two ninety four

1265
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 5: and doesn't look at He's got tremendous arm length. He's

1266
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 5: a really good athlete. And then you have to decide

1267
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 5: how that connects with the fact that he doesn't make

1268
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 5: a lot of plays. So you know, some people will say, oh,

1269
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 5: if he doesn't make a lot of plays, and he

1270
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 5: didn't make a lot of plays in college, he's not

1271
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 5: going to make a lot of plays in the NFL.

1272
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 5: Some people might say, oh, man, this guy is an

1273
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 5: athletics strong guy. You know, really moves well, you know,

1274
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 5: I mean, he doesn't have elite quickness. By the two

1275
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 5: ninety four, how many guys would you say are elite

1276
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 5: or sudden. But he's a really good athlete. So much

1277
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 5: of the projection with him is what you believe he

1278
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 5: can become because you see a flash here and there.

1279
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 5: But he has a really strong traits profile and he's

1280
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 5: a big guy, so you have to decide again, So

1281
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 5: much of the draft is about what projection, about what

1282
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 5: you think a guy can become. Because you know, even

1283
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 5: guys that put up big numbers at their position, it's

1284
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,439
Speaker 5: not automatic that they're going to do that in the league.

1285
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 5: I mean some people say that, they say, well, they,

1286
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 5: you know, got a lot of tackles in college, They're

1287
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 5: going to get a lot of tackles in the NFL.

1288
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Speaker 5: You know, you don't know that it's a different game.

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Speaker 5: But this guy is a clear projection. But I mean,

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Speaker 5: he is a big man who's clearly a plus athlete,

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Speaker 5: and every once in a while he flashed and boy

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Speaker 5: did he look good. But he just doesn't do it

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Speaker 5: very often.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: The thing that was crazy to me is like people

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Speaker 2: were knocking him because, oh, he doesn't have a pass

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Speaker 2: rush repertoire and he doesn't have countermoves. And after I'm

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Speaker 2: watching his tape, I'm like, he didn't need any because

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Speaker 2: he won with power almost every single time. He just

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Speaker 2: outmuscled the offensive tackle and had eleven and a half sacks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but in the NFL, he's going to need more

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Speaker 5: tools in his yeahbox. Yeah, there's no quite because I

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Speaker 5: agree with you one hundred percent. I'll tell you it's

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Speaker 5: like you read my notes weakness. I said needs many

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Speaker 5: more tools in his toolboxes. An inside rusher relied almost

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Speaker 5: exclusively on his size and power, that's what he did,

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Speaker 5: and in college at times it worked. But at this

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Speaker 5: point you wouldn't call him despite that sack number, brownie.

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Speaker 5: You would not call him a high quality pass rusher.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. Yeah, Brandon Fisk sixty years senior.

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Speaker 2: I know people are gonna knock him for his lack

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Speaker 2: of ideal size too. Thirty one inch arms. People are

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Speaker 2: going to knock that.

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Speaker 5: That's going to be the issue.

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Speaker 2: Yes, maybe first after you kind of do the thumbnail

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Speaker 2: sketch on him, maybe explain to our listeners why short

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Speaker 2: arms are not good when you're trying to win inside well.

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Speaker 5: The reason short arms are viewed as a negative is

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Speaker 5: because a major part of being able to play on

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Speaker 5: the D line is to extend your arms and lock out.

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Speaker 5: Because what that does is it keeps your feet and

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Speaker 5: your lower body clean so that the offensive lineman can't

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Speaker 5: get into your body and therefore prevent your lower body

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Speaker 5: from moving. So being able to lock out with arm

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Speaker 5: extension is a really important part of playing defensive line,

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Speaker 5: and if you have shorter arms, it's more difficult to

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Speaker 5: do that. But now let's get to Fisk, who is

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Speaker 5: a joy to watch on tape. I mean this guy.

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Speaker 5: He camouflages his short arms. I mean, he showed two gapability,

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Speaker 5: tremendous strength, and he uses his arms even though they're shorter,

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Speaker 5: really well. He has functional arm light. He locks people

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Speaker 5: out really well, kept his lower body clean, and he

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Speaker 5: did that as a pass rusher as well. And he's

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Speaker 5: got tremendous quickness. He's a really fun watch. He plays

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Speaker 5: like a true athlete, and but he's powerful, so he's

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Speaker 5: not just a move guy. He's a powerful guy and

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Speaker 5: a really good athlete. And to give you an example,

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Speaker 5: just so people understand, his twenty yard shuttle time was

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Speaker 5: like that of many wide receivers and defensive backs. He's

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Speaker 5: a fun watch. He's gonna be an interesting guy. He

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Speaker 5: could sneak into the late first round.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost I saw a little Kyle Williams in

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Speaker 2: him when I was watching his tape.

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Speaker 5: Yeah that's that's that's a pretty interesting comparison. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: this guy. And by the way, I didn't know much

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Speaker 5: about him. I mean, obviously I saw Florida State on

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Speaker 5: TV once in a while, but I'm not sitting taking

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Speaker 5: notes on guys. When I watched college football at the Combine,

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Speaker 5: I was seeing a clip here he blew it away.

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Speaker 5: I mean I didn't know much about him, but he

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Speaker 5: looked so quick and so explosive doing all the drills.

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Speaker 5: It was it was really kind of an epiphany. I

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Speaker 5: mean I was like, oh my god, who is this guy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did put up some unbeli he killed the

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Speaker 2: combine like his work out killed it. I mean for

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Speaker 2: seven eight. I mean that I think was even faster

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Speaker 2: than that. When they finally got official was four to

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Speaker 2: seven eight.

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Speaker 3: It was seven.

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Speaker 2: Eight, yeah, but I mean some some crazy numbers, explosion numbers,

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Speaker 2: all of that stuff. He killed everything. And it was

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Speaker 2: interesting because some people had kind of gotten the four

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Speaker 2: one one on him, uh and said he would do

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Speaker 2: that going in and sure enough, you know.

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Speaker 5: I mean just watch him do these drills. I mean

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Speaker 5: he just does not look like a two hundred and

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Speaker 5: ninety five pound man. I mean, you know that's you

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Speaker 5: kind of lose sight of that. Was so used to

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01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 5: watching football and then you know, we lose sight of

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Speaker 5: how big these guys are. He does not move like

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Speaker 5: a two hundred and ninety five pound man.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, you're right. He moves with you know, a

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Speaker 3: suddenness of a you know, a five to nine guy, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's he really does seem to have a

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Speaker 3: lot of he's got that energy, and certainly at the

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Speaker 3: combine they're on their best behavior and they've they've got

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Speaker 3: allld Look at this.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is a really good drill to show

1379
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 5: bend and movement. You know, that's one of those good drills.

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Speaker 5: And he just he made it look easy.

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Speaker 3: He seems like and one of those guys that whatever

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01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 3: he's got in the tank, he's gonna exploit his full potential.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 3: He seems like a guy that's gonna reach whatever roof

1385
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 3: he's got.

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Speaker 2: Overachiever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's an over I would.

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Speaker 5: Agree, And you know, he would also strike me. You

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Speaker 5: always hear about coaches talk about, hey, the room. You know,

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Speaker 5: hey we we have a great D line room. We

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Speaker 5: have a great quarterback room. I don't know obviously Braden

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Speaker 5: Fisk at all, but he would strike me as a

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Speaker 5: guy you want in your D line room.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, Greg, we've run out of time before we

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01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 2: even got to the edge. Guys. We'll have to do

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Speaker 2: that next week, So put that on your to do ready.

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Speaker 5: With those guys too, bro. Yeah, So I've probably seen

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Speaker 5: about one hundred and twenty guys now in detail. So

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Speaker 5: I'm just grinding away.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad you take notes. I don't know how

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01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 2: you keep all of that in your brain. One hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty people.

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Speaker 5: So well, you know, I have to help. I have

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01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 5: to help task her because I know he's a little

1405
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 5: behind that much.

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Speaker 3: I'm that far behind. Yeah, yeah, all right behind you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Greg, as always, we'll catch up with you next week.

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Speaker 5: All right, guys appreciated. Thanks.

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Speaker 2: All right, that senior producer from NFL Films, Greg Cosell

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Speaker 2: joining us breaking down some of the top defensive tackle prospects.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like I was saying earlier, when I watched Braden Fisk

1413
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 2: on tape, I was getting flashes of Kyle Williams. He's

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01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 2: got a similar game. I would argue he might even

1415
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 2: Kyle might not want to hear this, but I would

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Speaker 2: argue Fisk might even be a little more athletically.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a better athlete. Yeah, well he's plus two.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Fisk is twenty two. Kyle was thirty five

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01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 3: when we said goodbye to him, So I know that's

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01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 3: the way it works.

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01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 2: But there's a suddenness and explosiveness to his game. That

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01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 2: Kyle had as a young player as well. And you know,

1423
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 2: Kyle was viewed as undersized as well, which is why

1424
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 2: he was the first pick in the fifth round. But

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01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 2: when his career is over, he went to six Pro Bowls.

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01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Braden Fisk's own to six Pro Bowls,

1427
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 2: but he has some similar tools in his skill set

1428
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 2: that I think will lend very well to him having

1429
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 2: a successful NFL career. Yeah, Western Michigan transfer, because he

1430
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 2: only played one year at Florida State, played his first

1431
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: five years, including a pandemic shortened season, at Western Michigan

1432
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 2: in the Mid American Conference. But he's a guy who's

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01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 2: like only two hundred and ninety two pounds. And you

1434
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 2: know how we always say, oh, this dB plays faster

1435
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 2: than his time. This guy plays heavier than his weight,

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01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 2: if that makes.

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01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 3: Sense, right, he does. He plays, he plays low, he's

1438
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 3: hard to root out, and he seems to have that

1439
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 3: not just a motor, but an energy motor, you know.

1440
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, yeah, he goes hard every play.

1441
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's part of his game that reminded me

1442
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 2: of Kyle so much. You can do a lot worse

1443
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 2: than Braden Fisk, in this draft. If you're looking for

1444
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 2: a defensive tackle, we have to take a break, but

1445
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 2: the obl Friday fan mailbag is still open. Any questions

1446
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 2: you have about the Bills, the draft, free agency, what

1447
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 2: have you. It's all fair game. So hop on a

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01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 2: line at eight oh three five point fifty one eight

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01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: eight five fifty two five fifty or on the tweet

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01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 2: sheet at one Bill's Live. Will probably crack open the

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Speaker 2: tweet sheet when we return. Stay tuned back with more

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01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 2: here on a Friday. All right, back here on one

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Speaker 2: Bills Live on a Friday, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you.

1454
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 2: You're going to crack open the Obel Friday fan mailbag.

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01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 2: And first up is doctor M who asks, what's a

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01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 2: sneaky position that we need to address in the draft.

1457
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 2: I think we kind of addressed that earlier. I feel

1458
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 2: like linebackers a sneaky need. Steve is thinking safety is

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01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 2: kind of a sneaky need. So those would be the

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Speaker 2: two probably to headline the list, and then maybe even

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Speaker 2: corner a little later. Yeah, you have Taron Johnson. You

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01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 2: have Cam Lewis who can double as a backup at nickel,

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01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 2: and then you have Benford Douglas and kyer Elam, but

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01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 2: really nobody after that, So some depth there could be used.

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01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 2: And I'm talking like you know, day three.

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Speaker 3: The thing about it, the intriguing thing about it is

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Speaker 3: this personnel staff here in this building has been so

1468
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 3: good at getting gyms out of almost every draft from

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Speaker 3: the fourth round on. And they've got eight picks from

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Speaker 3: the fourth round on, only two picks in the first

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Speaker 3: three rounds. So you kind of, I don't want to

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Speaker 3: you take for granted that the twenty eight pick and

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01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 3: the sixty pick, no matter where they do, where they

1474
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 3: trade in, trade out, trade up, trade down, whatever, those

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01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 3: two picks are gonna get something that is going to

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01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 3: be a contributing player. But that but the one twenty

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01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 3: eight pick, all the way through to the two hundred

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01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 3: and forty eighth pick, there's gonna be some some guy

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01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 3: and probably two guys in there. They're gonna be dudes

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01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 3: that nobody else knew about. And that's the fun part

1481
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 3: about this whole exercise for me is who's who are

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01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 3: those guys gonna be? Now, you're right, I think once

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01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 3: you get down into the one twenty eight, one thirty three,

1484
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 3: one sixty, one, sixty three, all all those picks, the

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01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 3: position becomes meaningless. There's gonna be guys in that they like,

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01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 3: and they're gonna have some trades and whatever position it

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Speaker 3: ends up being. I still believe it's the over under

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01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 3: for wide receivers in this draft. For this draft class

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01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 3: for the Bills is a two minimum, and there's no

1490
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 3: doubt to me that they're gonna come out with two

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01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 3: of those guys. The rest of the positions, I think

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01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 3: you can flip a coin on any of them or

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01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 3: just throw them all into a hat, and the best

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01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 3: player is gonna get taken.

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Speaker 2: We move along on the tweets sheet to Greg who says,

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01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 2: one reason I believe the Brandon Bean may use draft

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01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 2: capital from twenty twenty five to load up this year

1498
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Speaker 2: is because next year we may have over twenty seven

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Speaker 2: million in cap space, which means we could sign free agents.

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01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts. I wouldn't rule out Brandon Bean

1501
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 2: using draft capital from twenty twenty five. The extra second

1502
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:40,719
Speaker 2: round pick that they got in the Digs trade chief

1503
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 2: among them, but I don't think it's because of cap

1504
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 2: space that they anticipate having next year. The reason why

1505
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 2: is because number one, Brandon Bean handing out giant free

1506
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 2: agent contracts have been few and far between in his

1507
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 2: six year tenure of overseeing and off seasons. You've got

1508
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 2: Mitch Morse in twenty nineteen, you've got star Letulala, and

1509
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 2: you've got Von Miller. Those are your only jaigundo free

1510
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 2: agent contracts.

1511
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 3: The biggest one last year was McGovern Connor mcgovery.

1512
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 2: Year's twenty three million. So I really don't think that's

1513
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 2: the reason he would use draft capital. He's only going

1514
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 2: to use future draft capital if he believes it's worth

1515
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 2: landing the prospect that they have high on their board

1516
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 2: and they feel as a true instant impact difference maker

1517
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,560
Speaker 2: for the roster. That's the main impetus to part with

1518
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 2: future draft capital. And I'm not saying it won't happen,

1519
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 2: but I don't think it's because they're anticipating having more

1520
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 2: cap room next off season. Not to mention the fact

1521
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 2: that you have to look at your list of free

1522
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 2: agents on their own roster coming up in twenty twenty five,

1523
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 2: and it's not a huge list right now. But you're

1524
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 2: talking about Spencer Brown, uh, you're talking about Rasul Douglas.

1525
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 2: Do you want to bring him back? Maybe? Maybe not

1526
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 2: Mike Edwards. What kind of season does he have If

1527
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 2: he's your starting free safety, does he have a banner

1528
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 2: season and you want to bring him back on. That's

1529
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 2: probably gonna cost you more than it did this year.

1530
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 2: So there will be some considerations. And then you've got

1531
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 2: the fifty year option on guys like Greg Russo coming

1532
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 2: up that you have to make a decision on next year.

1533
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,799
Speaker 2: At this time, it doesn't look at you twenty five cap.

1534
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, even if you make the decision, you're still

1535
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 3: on the hook for that money the following year, the

1536
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 3: following year. Yeah, there's a lot of layers of this.

1537
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 3: This last year, the bill's got some You don't forget.

1538
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 3: They got an extra ten million on the cap this year.

1539
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 3: Nobody thought they were gonna get maybe twelve million. They

1540
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 3: thought it was gonna be two forty four. It ended

1541
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 3: up being two fifty five. That may happen again next year.

1542
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, if the cap goes up, if the cap goes

1543
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 2: up even more than into So and with you know, all.

1544
01:20:55,720 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 3: These guys coming off the books, Yeah, that's they're gonna

1545
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 3: have some space next year and certainly be able to

1546
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 3: realign things once again. So think about that too. You

1547
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 3: really don't want to start giving away next year draft

1548
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 3: picks because next year could be an enormous season for

1549
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 3: this team. In the offseason, I still like where their

1550
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 3: offense is. I still think it's an offensive league, and

1551
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 3: I still think the Bills feel like they're gonna go

1552
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 3: in and they're gonna roll some people up with the

1553
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 3: guys they got in the room right now, let alone

1554
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 3: any wide receiver that they can pick up in this draft.

1555
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 2: Speaking of wide receivers, Duke of Blaisdell asks, is there

1556
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 2: a possibility that Bills draft wide receiver in round one

1557
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 2: and round two if they stay put and do not

1558
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 2: make a trade to move up or back? So I

1559
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 2: picked twenty eight and sixty, you want them to go

1560
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 2: receiver receiver. I don't think it's impossible. I wouldn't put

1561
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 2: it at likely, because I think the board's really got

1562
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 2: to fall a certain way to do that, not only

1563
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 2: in terms of you liking what the receiver talent is

1564
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 2: on the board when you're on the clock, but you

1565
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 2: veritably hating what the talent is and maybe some of

1566
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 2: the other positions you were considering perhaps at those points

1567
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 2: in the draft, whether it's defensive line in round one,

1568
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 2: or maybe safety in round two. If the value is

1569
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 2: horrific at those spots and it's unbelievable at receiver, then

1570
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 2: I think it's possible.

1571
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 3: It's not so much about positions, it's about it's individualiz

1572
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 3: It's about guys. If there's a guy, no matter what

1573
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 3: position he is, when you get to sixty, you're taking

1574
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 3: a guy no matter what position he is. If that

1575
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,719
Speaker 3: guy turns out to you know, to wear an eighties

1576
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 3: number in college, he's a wide receiver, that's your guy.

1577
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 3: At twenty eight, where you've got some clown and you've

1578
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 3: got a little bit more pressure to get it right,

1579
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 3: and you've got some guy, you've got a bunch of

1580
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 3: good guys to pick from. You can kind of lean

1581
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 3: towards a position or other because there's a lot of

1582
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 3: eyes on the board. They're gonna have good pro careers

1583
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 3: right there. Even at twenty eight. You get down to sixty,

1584
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 3: then you're like, oh, there's you've got to answer some

1585
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 3: questions before any of these guys can have a good career.

1586
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 3: So it's and it becomes about this guy, not that guy,

1587
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 3: not this guard, not that corner, or this safety, not

1588
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 3: that wide receiver, that kind of thing. It becomes individualized

1589
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 3: when you get down that far. If you get my.

1590
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 2: Point, yeah, I understand what you're saying.

1591
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 3: They start, it starts to become names on a board,

1592
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 3: not positions on the field. And that's that's why it

1593
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 3: could happen, no question, because this is a this is

1594
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 3: a neck deep wide receiver class. So there's gonna be

1595
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 3: some guys at.

1596
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: Sixty Oh yeah. Dean on the uh from the mail

1597
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 2: bag asks in each of your opinions, which pair of

1598
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 2: wide receivers in the draft best compliment each other. I'll

1599
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 2: tell you, Dean, I don't think NFL personnel executives look

1600
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 2: at it like that, unless their wide receiver room is

1601
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 2: baron a baron wasteland. I don't think they look at

1602
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 2: prospects complimenting one another. I think they look at what

1603
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 2: they have on their roster already and see how one prospect,

1604
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 2: if they add them, would complement the rest of the room.

1605
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 2: But two receivers in the same draft, and how those

1606
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 2: two compliment each other. I don't know if they often

1607
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 2: think of it that way. I think the Bills will say, look,

1608
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 2: we've got Curtis Samuel. We know he can do a

1609
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 2: B and C. We got Khalil Shakir, he can do D,

1610
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 2: E and F. And we've got Dalton kin k who

1611
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 2: can do GH and I. What can this new kid

1612
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 2: do and how does that blend in with what we

1613
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 2: already have. I think they do that, which is one

1614
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 2: of the reasons why I like Brian Thomas. It's one

1615
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 2: of the reasons why I like Adina I Mitchell, because

1616
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 2: those guys are players that can man the ex position.

1617
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 2: They're pretty polished route runners, although some would argue Brian

1618
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 2: Thomas and ad Mitchell need a little bit more diversified. Rautree,

1619
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 2: I think you could say that about almost any receiver

1620
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 2: prospect in the draft, with maybe the exception of Marvin

1621
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 2: Harrison and the league neighbors. But I think they compare

1622
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 2: a prospect in the draft to what they have on

1623
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,719
Speaker 2: their roster, not against another prospect in the class.

1624
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 3: It's not yeah, you're not looking at it. You don't

1625
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 3: look at it like that. Joe Brady doesn't, Bobby Babbage does,

1626
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 3: and Sean McDermott doesn't. You're looking at getting the best player,

1627
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 3: and I don't care if you have twins, Yeah, take

1628
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 3: the best one.

1629
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 2: And Bean did that when he drafted Rousseau and bash

1630
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 2: him back to back right, and when he drafted Spencer

1631
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 2: Brown and Tommy Doyle back.

1632
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 3: It don't matter. You're getting the best guy, and then

1633
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 3: you formulate a game plan around what those guys do best.

1634
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 3: You got two receivers that are exactly like you put

1635
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 3: them out there and you let the defense decide and

1636
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 3: you and you make them pay for that decision. That's

1637
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 3: how it's done. You don't you get the best player.

1638
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 3: You don't care whether, well, this guy's skill set is this,

1639
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 3: and this guy's skill set is now, get the best

1640
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 3: one who's gonna have the best careers a pro in

1641
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 3: the situation you can offer them, and then you go

1642
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 3: from there.

1643
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 2: Some final thoughts on the tweet sheet when we return.

1644
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 2: Got to take a break here, but we'll try to

1645
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 2: get to more of those questions here on One Bill's Live.

1646
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 2: Stay with us, all right, welcome back to One Bill's Live.

1647
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 2: One segment to go. Here're gonna squeeze a call in. First,

1648
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 2: we go to Jack and Cheek to wago. What's up Jack?

1649
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 10: Hi, guys, saw something on the internet this morning that

1650
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 10: intrigued me involving the Denver Broncos. Apparently, you know they

1651
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 10: let Jerry Judy go I believe to the Cleveland Browns,

1652
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 10: and I thought the compensation was kind of light. I

1653
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 10: thought I read a fifth round in a sixth round

1654
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 10: draft pick. Speculation on this article was is that the

1655
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 10: Bills would be interested in Courtland Sutton, who apparently is

1656
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 10: being shopped by the Broncos. And you know, if he

1657
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 10: could be acquired for something in the area of a

1658
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 10: mid round and a sixth whether you think he's too

1659
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 10: comparable to Curtis Samuel or whether the Bills would be

1660
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 10: interested in him to fill in that receiver corps before

1661
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 10: the draft. Just wait for your comments. Thanks, guys.

1662
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it, Jack, and I would not rule

1663
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 2: anything out with Brandon Bean. As a matter of fact,

1664
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 2: wide receivers have been traded for by Brandon Bean more

1665
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 2: than any other position player in his tenure here in

1666
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 2: Buffalo by a wide margin. No other position has been

1667
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 2: acquired more than once. Receiver has been half a dozen times.

1668
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: The problem here, again is the contract side. He's got

1669
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 2: a base salary of thirteen million right now. You can't

1670
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 2: fit that, So then it becomes a question of, Okay,

1671
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 2: do you want to extend him. He's a twenty nine

1672
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 2: year old receiver, and you're getting precarious, precariously close to

1673
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 2: just where you were with Stefan Diggs. Grannity's two years younger,

1674
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 2: But I don't know if you can fit that. I

1675
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 2: think the Bills have kind of resigned themselves to the fact,

1676
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 2: and I could be wrong, resigned themselves to the fact

1677
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 2: that they have to get younger at the position and

1678
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 2: a lot of other positions. They had one of the

1679
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 2: oldest rosters in football last year, and injuries took a

1680
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 2: toll on this team and it's one of the main

1681
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: reasons why they struggled when they had to play the

1682
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs. Granted it was a young player that

1683
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 2: was out of the lineup that was the biggest blow,

1684
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 2: and that was being Terrell Bernard, But injuries played a

1685
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 2: role in them struggling at times last year to win

1686
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 2: football games, and I think they realized they have to

1687
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 2: get younger. Sutton's a special player, though I'm not going

1688
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 2: to deny that big, physical receiver.

1689
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 3: You don't sign a deal that big without being something special,

1690
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 3: and he did. So the question becomes, can you get

1691
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:08,639
Speaker 3: that value out of him if you sign him? Plus

1692
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 3: how long is he going to be good, And can

1693
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 3: you get a guy as good or close to it

1694
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 3: in this draft for a less than a tenth of.

1695
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 2: The price cheap labor.

1696
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 3: That's that's a real possibility, yes.

1697
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 2: And I think with as strong as the receiver class

1698
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 2: is this year, that's why the trade value on players

1699
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 2: like that is so down, because you can get a

1700
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 2: comparable player for one fifth of the price in many cases.

1701
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 2: Good discussion this week, Good nights for all the questions

1702
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 2: in the mail bag today, Steve, and I'll see you

1703
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 2: on Monday for another week of draft talk. We'll see

1704
01:29:49,439 --> 01:30:01,560
Speaker 2: at one o'clock Monday, two