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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of five

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Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. We're

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Speaker 1: just batching it going stagged today. First stuff you should know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: our our date's not here. We're one another's date. Whether

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Speaker 1: you like it or not, I'm your date. Were you

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Speaker 1: a big school dance guy? I was big at staying

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Speaker 1: away from them. He didn't go to those things. I

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Speaker 1: went to like one or two in eighth grade maybe,

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Speaker 1: but I learned my lesson early on. I got you

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Speaker 1: no prom. Yeah, I mean I went to prom and

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Speaker 1: all that, but you know, like the normal school dances

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Speaker 1: and things like that, like the under the Sea dance

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Speaker 1: in I didn't go to that all week. We only

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Speaker 1: had two We had homecoming and prom and that's it.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I think you know how Oh there was

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Speaker 1: so little to do that. There were tons of dances

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Speaker 1: all the time. Sure, man, just like in the movies.

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Speaker 1: It is just like in the movies when it's super

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Speaker 1: cold outside and you're just stuck inside, everybody's just gotta dance. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I guess we were just outdoors in the the heat

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Speaker 1: and humidity. Right. You you had hiking, We had dances.

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Speaker 1: So what's this got to do with the Golden Records?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. This is kind of cool. Very seventies. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the thing, man, It doesn't get much more seventies

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Speaker 1: than than this. Actually, this one and the other one

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Speaker 1: that we're doing today about as seventies as it gets.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so we're talking about Chuck. Two golden records,

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Speaker 1: two very special golden records, identical in every way. Um.

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Speaker 1: They were pressed in a series of I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: how many because I once saw Carl Sagan messing with one.

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Speaker 1: So there maybe three, there, maybe four, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but there are at least two. And right now, these

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Speaker 1: very very special gold records are somewhere outside of our

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Speaker 1: solar system. They are aboard two space probes, Voyager one

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Speaker 1: and two, that were launched in um and for the

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Speaker 1: Voyager probes are the first two human made objects to

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Speaker 1: travel beyond our Solar system, which is pretty cool in

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Speaker 1: and of itself. Yeah, there are billions of miles about

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Speaker 1: thirteen billion miles from Earth right now, going very fast. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you mentioned Carl Sagan. This was his sort

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Speaker 1: into outer space on the well, I mean the sort

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Speaker 1: of reason was in case and another civilization and extraterrestrial

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Speaker 1: being or life force could come across it, this will

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Speaker 1: be our greeting to them. But when you read into it,

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Speaker 1: it's probably really unlikely that might happen, and it it

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Speaker 1: was sort of a pr thing for NASA and also

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Speaker 1: just like made us feel better, I think, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: like you're saying, it's very seventies and that it was

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Speaker 1: part of this kind of larger trend in the Steffanies,

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Speaker 1: mostly helmed by Carl Sagan from what I could tell

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Speaker 1: the world to agree like becoming part of some galactic

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Speaker 1: you know, community would be a good thing for humanity

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Speaker 1: take care of it. Was all kind of intertwined and connected,

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Speaker 1: and it all kind of took shape in this kind

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Speaker 1: of collective human project of creating messages and bottles and

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Speaker 1: shooting them out into space. And the wisdom of that

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Speaker 1: today is is questioned by some people and me, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are some people who say, like, m, it's not

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Speaker 1: necessarily the best thing to do to start sending messages

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Speaker 1: what if anything is out there. Just isn't the safest

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Speaker 1: play you can make. But at the time, and I

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Speaker 1: everybody was an optimist. Like there was nobody who wondered

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Speaker 1: of course it was a good idea. Of course, the

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Speaker 1: whoever we contacted would be friendly, so why would we

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Speaker 1: not want to get in touch with them? And that

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Speaker 1: to take us seriously. Now, that was a big seventies

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Speaker 1: thing and kind of the drive behind this Golden Record thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it in question whether it was foolish or not in retrospect.

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Speaker 1: That's fun. Yeah, it's fun to poop on Carl Sagan's dream. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know me, Man Sagan is one of my heroes.

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Speaker 1: He was a pretty interesting cat. But um, these Golden Records,

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Speaker 1: And we were talking about the Voyager Probe and the

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Speaker 1: Golden Records almost interchangeably. The Golden Records are aboard Voyager

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Speaker 1: And they actually built these Golden Records so that they'll

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Speaker 1: an aluminum cover that will protect it from cosmic rays. UM,

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Speaker 1: basically indefinitely for all all, all those of us alive

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Speaker 1: are concerned. Yeah, and there we keep saying golden records.

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Speaker 1: They are gold plated. They're not solid gold like the dancers.

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Speaker 1: few reasons. One is, obviously we didn't have We had tape,

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Speaker 1: we could include like all of humanity, every recipe, every song,

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Speaker 1: But back then they figured a record was the way

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Speaker 1: thing that would hold up the best. Yeah, that's actually

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Speaker 1: can put literally all of the world's information into like

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Speaker 1: that were not only like these these were weren't just

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Speaker 1: way to put it. But in the early seventies there

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Speaker 1: And we can't communicate with these guys anymore, they're way

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Speaker 1: Basically like you mentioned a cosmic message and NASA everyone

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Speaker 1: was smoking weed back then, including Carl Sagan. Oh, I'm sure,

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Speaker 1: uh I bet that segan weed was good too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of waving in like a friendly gesture. Sure, just like, hey,

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Speaker 1: the seventies and this whole thing, And by the way,

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Speaker 1: so they're like, this is great, we can we we

428
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: can actually not only put sounds and music and words

429
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: on these records, we can embed images too, and so

430
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: they got with Colorado Video and Colorado Video carry that

431
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: out for them UM, which is something we'll talk about,

432
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: but one of the things they were able to add

433
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: was actual images. So if you were an alien that

434
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: came across this UM these this Golden record out there

435
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: on voyage or Warner Voyage or two, and you follow

436
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: the instructions which we'll talk about, you could create recreate

437
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: the pictures that are embedded as sound in these records.

438
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: The mind blowing seventies stuff here. Total. So you've got

439
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: these records which, if you you know, records don't have

440
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: to be vinyl, like I said, these are are copper

441
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: covered in gold, and if you look at and they

442
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: just look like regular LPs that are gold in color,

443
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: super shiny, very very shiny UM. But then they have

444
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: on top, they have this cover that you said is

445
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: made of aluminum and it's it's basically round and you know,

446
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: the exact same size of the LP. It's not like

447
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: a square record LP sleeve or whatever that we're used to.

448
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: But on this cover are all the instructions for what

449
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: these people are going to be looking at and holding on.

450
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: These people, listen to me, these persons in my human

451
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: centric mindset? Here, what's they called the anthropocentric I guess so,

452
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean whatever these beings are when they get these

453
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: records on the cover is everything you need to know

454
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: about what it is and how to play it. Yeah,

455
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: So again they ran into the same problem of how

456
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: do you First of all, we didn't even know that

457
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: we could embed video into audio signals on a record.

458
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: How are you going to teach an alien to to

459
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: do the to recreate this and see the pictures? They

460
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: had to figure out how to do this using binary

461
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: code picture graphs. UM. The easiest first step was to

462
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: include a cartridge and stylists. So there's actually like a

463
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: needle to play the record with, But that's not intuitive

464
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: necessarily if you're an alien. So they included a little

465
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: drawing of the record and where you should place the

466
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: needle and how to place the needle though, oh is

467
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: it already in place? Okay? Alright, so so why not

468
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: make it as easy as possible on the aliens? Okay?

469
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: So they were saying, don't touch anything, use it like this.

470
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: That was one they also UM had kind of like

471
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: a four step, step by step instructions on the algorithm.

472
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: That they would need to use to you turn the

473
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 1: audio into video, and it shows that it's supposed to

474
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: create UM five hundred and twelve interlaced lines, kind of

475
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: like an old time TV, you know how that's like

476
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: all lines, just horizontal lines. So it's actually in a

477
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: weave of horizontal vertical. And then they used a test picture.

478
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: They on the cover of the album. There's a square

479
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: with a circle in it, and that's actually the first

480
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: picture that will come up if you're doing this right.

481
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: So it was kind of like saying, if you can

482
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: recreate this, you're on the right track. And again it's ingenious.

483
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: I can't make header tails of it, but I'm guessing

484
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: if you and I were pilots for an alien civilization,

485
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: just skirting around talking smack, we came across Voyager one

486
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: or two UM and we found this thing, we would

487
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: probably take it back to our top minds. We wouldn't

488
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: try to figure it out ourselves, or we would, but

489
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: we wouldn't get anywhere. But you would bet that if

490
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: we put you know, our best side and to so

491
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: on this problem, they could probably decipher this and figure

492
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, I think so. I hope so, because

493
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: if not it's all for naught. Well, I mean, you

494
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: just gotta take your best stab at it. And and

495
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: this is a pretty good stab I did. Well. I

496
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: did see a guy on Boing Boing um back in

497
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: I think two thousand, I'm not sure, not too long ago. Um,

498
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: he tried it and was able to successfully do it

499
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: following the instructions on that. So at least one person

500
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: figured it out. Well, that's good. Unless he was just

501
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: this super intelligent alien in human uh than a human

502
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: skin sack, then then that's a good try. So the

503
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: other thing it included on the cover was that um,

504
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: same thing from the Pioneer plaque, that that pulsar map,

505
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: because he was like, we already figured this out, so

506
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: this is great. There's no need to change this thing.

507
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: Just throw that on there as well. And then there

508
00:29:54,560 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: are these four inscriptions, uh, basically teaching them how to

509
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: decipher all these images and uh using binary symbols again

510
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: um yeah, and if that algorithm, yeah, and if they

511
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: get to that circle, which they pointed out, like you know,

512
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: how that they know if it's not backwards or something.

513
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: I I thought of that too, But I also saw

514
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: pointed out that they chose a circle specifically because it

515
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: shows that that you're you have the correct horizontal and

516
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: vertical aspect. I guess, I guess. So, yeah, it's like

517
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: the old days when you would uh adjust your your

518
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: horizontal and vertical hold. Yes, exactly exactly. So the circle.

519
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: If it looks like that circle isn't flatter or thinner

520
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: or whatever, you're you've got the right vertical and horizontal aspect.

521
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: I think that's why they chose that circle. And I

522
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: have to say, Chuck, I feel really uncomfortable here because

523
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: it's pretty tough to stump both of us right at

524
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: the same time, and so it's kind of bugged me

525
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: researching this whole this whole um episode. And I think

526
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: part of it is is that Frank Drake and Andrewian

527
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: and Tim Ferris and Carl Sagan made this stuff up.

528
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: Is it Tim Farriss? Yeah, it is Tim Fairs. So

529
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: Timothy Ferris, not Tim Ferris before our work Week guy,

530
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: but Timothy Ferris. But that they made the stuff up

531
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: in the hopes that an alien civilization will will understand it.

532
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: And a lot of it does make sense, but it's

533
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: not necessarily tuitive. But it's also not necessarily something that

534
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: I think you could go to school and learn. You

535
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: just kind of have to be vibe and on what

536
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: this small group of people came up in this ad

537
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: hoc way as a message on behalf of humanity out

538
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: to any alien civilization that found it, which makes me

539
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: feel a lot better about failing to fully understand every

540
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: aspect of it. Yeah, I totally agree. Um, there is

541
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: one final piece before week is Everyone's like, yeah, but

542
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: what's on there? We're not going to tell you the

543
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: last little sort of nerdy pieces. They wanted to time

544
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: stamp this one too on the cover, so they included

545
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: on the surface of the thing a little tiny piece

546
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: of uranium two thirty eight. Yeah, this is cool. Yeah,

547
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: it's a radioactive isotope that has a half life of

548
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: four and a half billion years, and it decays at

549
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: a steady rate, which is perfect because if you found

550
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: this thing, you know, millions or billions of years later,

551
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: they would be able to analyze that little patch of

552
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: uranium and pinpoint exactly when this thing was launched. And

553
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: if all that makes sense and you weren't confused by it,

554
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: go listen to our Carbon fourteen episode so you can

555
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: become confused by it. That's right, Okay, So can we

556
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: talk about what was on this thing? No, we have to,

557
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: and of course we shouldn't. We want to, but we

558
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: had to build it up, you know, and get it

559
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: to the point where everyone understood the technical difficulty that

560
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: was involved in getting these things. Because today it's like

561
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: I want to a c D. Actually it's hard to

562
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: make a CD today. Let's say it was ten years ago,

563
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, you want to make a CD, easy

564
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: as poe. Right. This was all just making stuff up

565
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: at the time to put on records. And then in

566
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: addition to that, they had to choose this stuff from

567
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: all of the things you could possibly choose from humanity

568
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: to kind of give as clear and round and in

569
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: deep and wide a picture of what makes humans human

570
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: and what makes earth earth um and what demonstrates our

571
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: understanding of all this to somebody who's never met us before.

572
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: That is a really big task. And that's what they

573
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: were facing when they when they curated this collection. Yeah,

574
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: because like we said, it's not like you have, um

575
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: an infinite amount of images to stuff on there. They

576
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: basically said, all right, you got space for I saw

577
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixteen images, um, So go at it.

578
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: What one hundred and sixteen things will best crystallize what

579
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: planet Earth and humanity is all about. Right, So the

580
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: first thing they did was um some like astronomical images, UM,

581
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: scientific diagrams and stuff like that that charge where we

582
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: are in the Solar system, to basically say, here's where

583
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: we are, Here's what our masses, here's how far the

584
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: planets are from the Sun, and just kind of a

585
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: broad overview of what our solar system is. Right. Pretty

586
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: good place to start, it is, and then it kind

587
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: of drills down a little more into biology and our

588
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: understanding of um nature and cells and cell division, and

589
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: then that kind of nicely transitions to human biology, so uh,

590
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: cell division into a fetus. And then they apparently had

591
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: a picture of a naked man and woman. Again couldn't

592
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: get enough of that stuff. UM and NESA said, no, no, sickos,

593
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: We'll take this man and woman picture, but we're going

594
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: to black them out so that it's just a filled

595
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: in silhouette like what were those called the shadow portrait?

596
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: When you were in like elementary school, I don't know,

597
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: you know I'm talking about, so like you would they

598
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: would shine a light on you and then they would

599
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: basically cut your shadow out in construction paper and then

600
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: you would have a filled in black silhouette of yourself

601
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: from from profile. Yeah, basically like that, but this is

602
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: a full, full frontal, blacked out silhouette of a man

603
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: and a woman. But said it does. But NASA said,

604
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: we're not going to totally defeat the purpose that feed

605
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: us from the last slide. We're gonna put that in

606
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: the center of the woman's abdomen, and then that will

607
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: justify our prudency. I guess, so, uh, I sort of

608
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: get it, but it's just dumb. I mean show. I

609
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: mean they weren't like, hey, put Khaki's in a blazer

610
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: on the guy, like, you gotta show the parts, man,

611
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: you gotta show the naked parts and what we look like.

612
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: Get some doctors on there. Almost said doctors, it's funny.

613
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: So um. They also showed a woman breastfeeding, which I

614
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: thought was really great considering that they blacked out the

615
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: nudity otherwise um, and then they show like human development,

616
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: kids in school, people eating. There's one slide of a

617
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: person person licking and ice cream cone, somebody eating a sandwich,

618
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: and then somebody drinking a glass of water all in

619
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: one image. They really crammed a lot of info into that, UM,

620
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: things like our agriculture and growing food and then um

621
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: nature also you want because it wasn't all just about

622
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: humans but itself as well. You gotta have the birds

623
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: and the flowers and the fishies, you gotta have insects,

624
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: you gotta have the Great Barrier, reef and mountain ranges. Um.

625
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: It showed humans doing things like gymnastics. Imagine, which was

626
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: it might be a very confusing thing to see. Yeah,

627
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: well the first picture they submitted was naked gymnastics and

628
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: NASSA said, go get us another one. Is there any

629
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: other kind? As a matter of fact, there is? Uh.

630
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: And then they go to art of course, UM pictures

631
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: of music school instruments, UM paintings, the Great Wall of China, skyscrapers, trains, cars, airplanes, rockets.

632
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: They did not put stuff like religion or disease or

633
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: crime or war or poverty. They don't want it to

634
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 1: be a bummer. They kind of just wanted to show

635
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: like the achievements of humanity. I think, have you have

636
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: you seen? Did you look at all these images? I

637
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: didn't look at all of them. I looked at a

638
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: lot of them, and I listened to a lot of

639
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: this stuff. So you me got me this UM this

640
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: set of like like Anniversary said, I think there was

641
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: a kickstarter a couple of years back where people wanted

642
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: to like reissue it on records. So you've got me

643
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: the set and it comes with like the liner notes

644
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: are just amazing and everything. And you go through and

645
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: you look at um the pictures and they're like I

646
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: find the entire set combined to be rather unsettling, you know,

647
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: very like seventies educational film way. They don't have like

648
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: a coherent look to them, which I understand, like there's

649
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: not a coherent look to to the world or to Earth,

650
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: but there's just the the There was no unifying design

651
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: or anything like that. It was just this random assembly

652
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: of pictures and D diagrams. Some were black and white,

653
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: some are blacked out, some are just silhouettes, some are

654
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: full color. It's almost like jarring in the way of

655
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: like um, like that that book Wisconsin Death Trip that

656
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm always talking about is like what that is in text,

657
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: This almost is in pictures, and that's what we sent

658
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: out there. It's for some reason, it just stirs something

659
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: in me that I can't quite put my finger on.

660
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: But it's not fully pleasant, you know. Yeah, I had

661
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: the same reaction. Um, it was, well, you know what

662
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: it would look like. It looked like a set of

663
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: images curated by a bunch of scientists. It did as

664
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: a Marfa scientists on grass. Yeah, like that would it

665
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: have killed them to get the lead that it's in there?

666
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: Or some sort of designer you know. That's that's what

667
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: I'm saying that andrew Ian was like an artist, but

668
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: she was I think a writer. I think Siggen's previous

669
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: wife who I think they became separated during this process.

670
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: I believe she was a visual artist, so maybe her

671
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: not being part of that project is that kind of

672
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: unsettling aspect, you know what I'm saying, Like she she

673
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: would have brought that there and didn't. Who knows? Who

674
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: chuck actually? Hold on, I've I've identified it. Have you

675
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: ever heard of you know? Scarfolk Council? Nope, you do.

676
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: It's like this seventies British um P s A s

677
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: and educational films, but they're all really dark and evil.

678
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: You've seen it before, I've shown it to you. It's

679
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: almost like Scarfolk council chose the pictures that are that

680
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: are in this all right, you should You'll be like,

681
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, Josh, I think you've just

682
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: put your finger on it, all right. So that side one,

683
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: Side A, as it were, as all these images um

684
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: cut into this, into the grooves of this thing ingenious.

685
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: And it's also they have their own sounds, so like

686
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: if you're just sitting there listening to the record, these

687
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: pictures have their own sound that lasts a few seconds each,

688
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: but if you run it through the algorithm, those sounds

689
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: are translated into images. It's it's cool, it's neat that

690
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: they have their own sound. You know, oh totally, what's

691
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: gonna make some kind of sound exactly. So Side B,

692
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: if you flip it over, uh, it's the audio portion.

693
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: And so this is where we get, um get a

694
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: little more I don't know about more interesting, but this

695
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: is it's definitely seventies and sort of spacey when you

696
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: listen to some of this stuff. The I would say,

697
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: the entirety of the sound side is super seventies spacey,

698
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: like real trippy and cosmic and mellow. Even the stuff

699
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: that's like a you know, traditional folk music that they included.

700
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: It's all comes from a real like super marijuana e place. Marijuana. Yeah, stony, sure, stony,

701
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: that's what the kids call it, but more like they

702
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: just took marijuana and pressed it into music. Well. The

703
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: first thing is an audio recording of just just a

704
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: sort of a hey, how you doing this? This is

705
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: what you're about to listen to, recorded by Kurt Waldheim,

706
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: the Austrian Secretary General of the u N at the time.

707
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: He starts out with with U and he said this, Uh,

708
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 1: we step out of our solar system into the universe,

709
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: seeking only peace and friendship, to teach if we are

710
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: called upon to be taught, if we are fortunate. I

711
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: think those are beautiful words. It's very cool. Jimmy Carter

712
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: included a printed copy. For some reason, he didn't speak it.

713
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why. Maybe they didn't have He famously

714
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: hated his voice. Did he really? Okay? Uh? Do you

715
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: want to read that? And that's kind of long. We

716
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: should just say it's pretty great as well. It is great,

717
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: and he basically says, we are working on our own

718
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: problems here on Earth, but we want to join this

719
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: cosmic community one day, and this is our first entree.

720
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: Into that this is us saying hello, right uh, and

721
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: then speaking of saying hello, the next thing that you're

722
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: going to hear are fifty five greetings and fifty five languages.

723
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: And the kind of bummer of this here is it's

724
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: not like they were able because they had to do

725
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: this pretty pretty fast, you know, Like you said, NASA

726
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: didn't him a lot of time, so they couldn't necessarily

727
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: go to all these countries and record people in person.

728
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: So they got a lot of people who spoke these languages,

729
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: but they weren't necessarily natives of that language, and they

730
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: couldn't find all the languages. So I think one that

731
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people point to that was unfortunately left

732
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: out with Swahili, so there's no message from someone in

733
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: Swahili on it. But they did do a lot of

734
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: languages considering what they were dealing with, and I think

735
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: originally too, they presumed they would just go to the

736
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: u n and get each ambassador from each country there

737
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: to record a message in their native language. But somebody

738
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: pointed out that almost all the ambassadors there at the

739
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 1: time were men, and Sagan and his crew definitely wanted

740
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: a pretty even mix of men and women, so they

741
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: had to kind of on the fly figure out we

742
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: need to get some Cornell faculty to get in on this,

743
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: and they managed to pull out what was it, fifty

744
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: five languages, yeah, fifty five and some of these they

745
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: didn't tell people what to say to some sort of

746
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: greeting and however you would want to greet people in

747
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: your language, and some of these are pretty fun. Um.

748
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: The Amoy one, which is a part of the Men

749
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: dialects this, friends of space, how are you all? Have you?

750
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: Have you eaten yet? Come visit us if you have time.

751
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: If you have time, we don't want to put you

752
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: out by making you feel obligated. The Zulu said, we

753
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: greet you great ones. We wish you longevity. Yeah, they're

754
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: kind of you know, we're going to assume that you

755
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: can wipe us all out, so I'm just gonna throw

756
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: some compliments out at you. That's like one step away

757
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: from Eldritch God's um. Persian Persian. The Persian wan was

758
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: pretty good. Hello to the residents of the for skies.

759
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: And the Polish one says, welcome creatures beyond our world.

760
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: That's scary, but I like it. And like you said,

761
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: the Englishman was what now. The English one was actually

762
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: Carl Sagan and Linda Saltzman, Sagan's son Nick. It's very cute.

763
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: He's six years old and improvised this hello from the

764
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: children of planet Earth. Boo, yeah, very nice. It was

765
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: very nice. So um, that was just kind of like

766
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of different greetings saying hello, Hey. It comes

767
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: and goes pretty quick, even though there's fifty five entries,

768
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: none of them particularly long. But then after that they

769
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: started to get a little more far out, and I say,

770
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: we take a break and then come back. You want to,

771
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: let's do it, alright, chuck. So the big cliffhanger was

772
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: whether this was actually going to be far out or

773
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: not if I was right. And it turns out I

774
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: was right. This stuff gets far out pretty quick, and

775
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: I think there's no way we can't play one of

776
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 1: the things. You got to know what I'm talking about.

777
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: I think so music of the Spheres. No, okay, the

778
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: whale whale song, no, the sound essay, which part? All right, Well,

779
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: let's just tell everyone quickly he did include a whale song.

780
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: This was Sagan's idea. He thought that you know, they

781
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: people of the future might not even or not people

782
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: of the future. Here we go again. Whatever these things

783
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: are might not communicate in a language. It maybe more

784
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: like a whale song, so let's throw one of those

785
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: on their plus, whale songs are nice. Then they did

786
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: this uh sound essay that it was an audio way.

787
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: It was an audio journey from evolution on well, first thing,

788
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: A good way to say it, it is, Yeah, for sure.

789
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: They included um, yeah, it's kind of like a trip

790
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: through time and even before human or the evolution of life.

791
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: It's supposed to kind of capture the early Earth. There's

792
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: like lightning and thunder and rain. Um, there's mud pots

793
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: bubbling um, volcanoes, earthquakes, all that stuff to just basically

794
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: say like this is how Earth kind of came together

795
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: and then animals of course. Yeah, it's it's pretty cool

796
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: if you think about it. You know, to try to

797
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: do an auditory progression of of the evolution of Earth.

798
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, then life comes along crickets and birds and

799
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: elephants and then humans and this is what I wanted

800
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: to put. So it's I guess Timothy Ferris was kind

801
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: of in charge of picking out the music or was

802
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: a big part of it or the sound essay and

803
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: Andrewian did too. I think they worked together, and notably

804
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: they were actually engaged at the time, at least at

805
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: the beginning of this project. Timothy Ferris and Rurian were um,

806
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: and what's her what's her last name? I like to

807
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: add a little mustard too, all right, so um, Timothy

808
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: and An we're working together on this and for humanity.

809
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: When humanity finally makes an appearance in the sound essay, right,

810
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: it's one of the most bizarre presentations of humanity that

811
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: they could have come up, like what they were thinking.

812
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: I don't either, It doesn't make any sense. So there's

813
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: a wind, sweat, plane, footsteps, and then laughter. Dave calls

814
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: its sinister laughter, and you could definitely take it that way,

815
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: but I think it can also be weird hearty laughter.

816
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: But it's odd either way, and especially when you put

817
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: these elements together, it's particularly odd. So I feel like

818
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: we really need to play it's fairly short, right, yeah, yeah,

819
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: you failed to mention the heartbeat too, which is kind

820
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: of what makes it all super creepy as well. Okay,

821
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: so here it is. This is where humans come along

822
00:48:49,400 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: in the sound essay. O god, wow, Yeah, I mean

823
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: that is what they decided to like this is this

824
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: is what humans do. They walk around with their hearts

825
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: beating as loud as they can, laugh on when sweat planes,

826
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: where their footsteps echo behind them. That's the human experience

827
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, so this sound essay continues of course

828
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: once humans come along. They got through human evolution and

829
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: fire and tools and jobs like the sounds of blacksmith

830
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: ng and cheaperding and sawing things, and then tractors and

831
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: ships and cars and planes. Uh, it's all again. It

832
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: just seems like a very seventies uh bong water sort

833
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: of experiment, right. Um, I don't think we mentioned the

834
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 1: music of the spheres. I teased it. Oh yeah, there's

835
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: also that this is a twelve minute recording technically it's

836
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: a song, but it's based on the theories of the

837
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: great mathematician Kepler, Johannes Kepler, where they ascribed a musical

838
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: tone to each one of the planets and uh he

839
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: worked with Bell Labs, the computer lab and reproduce the

840
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: sound of the planets in a hundred year orbit around

841
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: the Sun. Yeah, and so it is crazy. I think

842
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,479
Speaker 1: that's Um, that's like part one of the whole sound essay.

843
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: The music of the spheres, and Kepler was working off

844
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: of Pythagoras theories actually, and the whole thing is based

845
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: on this idea that an object moving through space tends

846
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: to make a sound, whether it's like the wishing of

847
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: wind or humming or whatever, an object moving will make

848
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: some sort of sound. And the planets are objects, and

849
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: they're really really big objects, so they make huge sounds

850
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: um And the theory was that the reason we can't

851
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: hear these sounds is because we have no frame of

852
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: reference for what things sound like without them. So our

853
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: concept of silence is actually filled with the sounds of

854
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: the planets, including Earth, moving through space. We just don't

855
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: hear it because we we are so attuned to it.

856
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: And that each of these planets, because they move at

857
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: a different rate, there are different sizes, of different mass

858
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: and velocities and everything, that they'll make their own unique sound,

859
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: and that when you put all these sounds together of

860
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: the bodies in the Solar System to actually harmonize. And

861
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: so Kepler took it a step further and actually figured

862
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: out what each what note each celestial body would make.

863
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: And then Sagan and his crew got together with Bell

864
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: labs like you were saying, and produce that as the

865
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: Music of the Spheres, which is I mean, this is

866
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff they were doing with just a

867
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: few months to create the Voyager Plaque Project in their entirety,

868
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: or the Voyager Golden Record in their entirety. Yeah, And

869
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: if you go to look up Music of the Spheres

870
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: on YouTube or something, it's it's there's a lot of

871
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: stuff out there called Music of the Spheres UM, so

872
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of tough to find the real one even

873
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: if you put in like Kepler, there are some wrong

874
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: stuff out there that is not the real Music of

875
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: the Spheres, but you can find it if you're you know,

876
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: if you spending a time. Yeah, there's an actual NASA

877
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: UM NASA Jet Propulsion Lab has a site um for

878
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: dedicated to Voyager Voyager dot JPL dot NASA dot gov,

879
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: and they have all sorts of stuff about not just

880
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: the Golden Record, but the entire Voyager one and two projects,

881
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool in and of itself. But they

882
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: have everything that's on the Golden Record, including the UM,

883
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: the sound essay, and the different components of the sound essay,

884
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: and the Music of the Spheres is on there. It's

885
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 1: pretty cool stuff, even though it's completely unfounded and whacked out.

886
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: It's neat that they kind of nodded to this tradition

887
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: by including it on there. Oh totally, And that's exactly

888
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: where you should go. So just be warned if you

889
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: go to YouTube, you're you're gonna get a lot of

890
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: like ya and stuff like that, because Music of the

891
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: Spheres is just a very trippy title for a song. Hey,

892
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: worst things could happen to you today and stumbling across

893
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: a nice Anna track that you weren't expecting to listen to.

894
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I actually had one of her CDs back

895
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: in the day. Oh dude, I had that thing was

896
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: on repeat, the one with that's the one. So uh.

897
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: The last part of the sound essay is called life Signs,

898
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: and this is where it really gets out there, as

899
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: if it's not out there enough already. But and drew

900
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: In said, here's what I want to do. I want

901
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: to record my brain activity using an e G and

902
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: then they may be able to reverse engineer this thing

903
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: and actually read my brain thoughts in the future. And

904
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: not only that, but um, I'm falling in love with

905
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: Carl Sagan and he's throwing that love right back in

906
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: my way. So my, my, e g. My brain waves

907
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: that I'm sending out there are going to be soaked

908
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: with love, and that's just like the most groovy thing

909
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: that we can do. It is pretty groovy if you

910
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: think about it. And they got married, Yeah, they got married,

911
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: they had some kids, um, and they were together until

912
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 1: he died in his sixties. I think in two or three.

913
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: I believe that's right. So um, I think I did.

914
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: I haven't heard it yet, but I heard Radio Lab

915
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: did a pretty good episode about that, about the Life Signs. Yeah,

916
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's great. Those guys are awesome. Oh yeah,

917
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: of course. So um. The hardest thing, though, Chuck, was

918
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: coming up with music itself that was representative of the

919
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: whole world. They didn't want it to just be Western music.

920
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: For Western music, they chose mostly Beethoven and Bach again

921
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: because like you said, uh, and even a an event

922
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: civilization that didn't have ears or didn't hear um didn't

923
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: sense things like that. Uh, they would still be able

924
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: to analyze it and be impressed by it, see the

925
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: beauty and magic in it. But they also chose um

926
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: some rhythm and blues as part of the Western music

927
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: that they included too. Yeah, you have to. I mean

928
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: there was, um besides boch In, Beethoven, there's other classical

929
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: pieces on there. But you got to represent humanity. Um,

930
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: you cannot represent humanity without the contribution of African American music,

931
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: which was basically the birth of all popular music with blues,

932
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: jazz and then rock and roll. So they thought Chuck

933
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: Berry Johnny be Good got to throw that up there.

934
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: Dark was the Night by Blind Willie Johnson, very kind

935
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: of one of those early kind of creepy sounding blues jams.

936
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: Um melancholy Blues by Louis Armstrong and his Hot seven,

937
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: and I thought it was funny. Dave included this too.

938
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: I actually remember this. Saturday Night Live had a joke

939
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 1: way back when, because this was all over the news, um,

940
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: where they said the space aliens message back would be

941
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: sydmore Chuck Berry, Right, it was Steve Martin doing his

942
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: psychic character Kokua Yea, who was receiving telepathic messages from

943
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: the aliens who had intercepted the voyage or probes. Uh.

944
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: You would think the Beatles would be a natch, and

945
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: they were, except that it didn't work out. Um. All

946
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: four of the Beatles said, yeah, we'd love to be on. Um,

947
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: there were copyright issues, so they did not make the cut.

948
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: So I read an article by Timothy Ferris saying that

949
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: that was an urban legend that they had never thought

950
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: to or that they had never tried to. Yeah, that

951
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: they hadn't included the Beatles. And apparently part of the

952
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: urban legend is that the Beatles song they were trying

953
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: to get was Here Comes the Sun. And he's like,

954
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: that would have been funny for a very short while.

955
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: And then but he said that they that that was interesting.

956
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: That's disappointing because I would think that would be um,

957
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: I would think that would be worthy of consider duration

958
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: Chuck Berry and Bach's your choices, Chuck, Bob, Dylan they

959
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: thought about, apparently, but they were like, I don't know,

960
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: Dylan might just they just might be wondering what the

961
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: heck he's talking about. That smells like an urban legend too,

962
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: do you think? Yeah? And um, Timothy Ferrist didn't address

963
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: it one way or the other, but but you just

964
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: started cynical about that. I it just smells like when

965
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I think it's I think

966
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: it smell it. It smells real to me smells holding.

967
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: I'm a big Dylan fan though, no, it's a legend. Uh.

968
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: They also had music of the world. They had a

969
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: didgeri do of course, some pan flute action, a little

970
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: Indian raffie, a little Indian raga, navajo chant, little mariachi, jams,

971
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: Azerbaijani bagpipes, amazing. Yeah, what else? Music from all over

972
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: the world basically, which is you know what, which is

973
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. It is strange though that they

974
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Johnny be Good was the pop music they

975
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: put on there. Yeah, and again this tim Timothy Ferris

976
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: recollection of it was that um that there was some

977
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: dissent about, including Chuck Berry. I think that it was

978
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: to adolescent, is what one of the people said, And

979
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: Carl Sagan was like, well, there's a lot of adolescents

980
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 1: that live on planet Earth, so it actually is pretty representative.

981
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: So it ended up on there. But yeah, it is

982
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: surprising that, say, like the Beatles or something, especially from

983
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, this handful of potheads working on the project.

984
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: You'd think for sure that they would have chosen something

985
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: like that, but they didn't. They yes, tune on their right,

986
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: they put twelve in its entiretyis, which is good, but

987
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: it got way better when Phil Collins took over. We've

988
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: talked about this, I know so um one of the

989
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: things that Carl Sagan did after this project. Oh and

990
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: by the way, that laughter, there's apparently a big mystery

991
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: about whose laughter it was on that sound essay when

992
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: Humanity comes in and is walking with the heartbeat going,

993
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: and Um, as Atlantic writer, tried very hard to get

994
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: to the bottom of it, and she believed that she

995
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: had that. She finally got in touch with Sasha Sagan Um,

996
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: Carl Sagan's daughter, Carl and Ann's daughter, who said, I

997
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: talked to my mom and she said that, Um, that

998
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: that was my father's laughter, and it was confirmed with Anne.

999
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: But then Timothy Ferris through a rent in the work

1000
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: because he was there too, and he's like, look, I

1001
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: knew Carl Sagan very well and I heard his laugh

1002
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: plenty of times and it didn't sound anything like that.

1003
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: So they're kind of like, where is this gonna go

1004
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: with it being Carl Sagan's because I think she had

1005
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: spent years trying to figure this out, and I was

1006
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: really happy when she did. And then was really Chris

1007
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: fallen when it turns out that that wasn't the case,

1008
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: and that was um Adrian la France, who spent years

1009
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: trying to figure that mystery out. Well, Sagan was a scientist,

1010
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: he wasn't a mad scientist. And that's what it sounds

1011
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: like a little bit it does. It sounds like somebody

1012
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: on some on a you know, some bad grass. So

1013
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: in the end, I think you could consider the project

1014
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: a success in a way, and that it launched and

1015
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: they got what they felt like worked. But I think

1016
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: Sagan had a pretty good um take on it, which was,

1017
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't perfect, but we are not perfect,

1018
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: so pass the ducy and let's just launch this thing, right.

1019
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: So he calculated and he wrote a book about this

1020
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: whole thing Um called Murmurs of Earth Um, and it

1021
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: kind of recounts the entire project like that's a if

1022
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: you really step back and look at it, it's a

1023
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: hand handful of people who came up with a pretty

1024
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: cool idea, got a bunch of people together to kind

1025
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: of contribute to it, and and tried to be ambassadors

1026
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: of Earth at its barressed. That's what it is at

1027
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: its fullest. It's one of the grandest gestures humanity has

1028
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: ever been involved in this really hopeful throwing a message

1029
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: in the bottle into the cosmic ocean basically is segan

1030
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: put it um And wherever you've where however you feel

1031
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: you're going to kind of fall somewhere in between that spectrum.

1032
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: But either way, Um, it was a remarkable project and

1033
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: just something. It was so Karl Sagan. There aren't that

1034
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: many people out there, especially alive at the time that

1035
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: he was alive, who would have done that and not

1036
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: only just thought to do it, had the connections that

1037
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: NASA to do it, to talk people into doing this,

1038
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: and then to actually do it and get it done

1039
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: and get some records out there in space floating around

1040
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: in the hopes that maybe one day some aliens will

1041
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: find it and know that we were here and maybe

1042
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: come looking for us and wipe us out totally. So

1043
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: that's Golden records. Huh, that's Golden Records. If you want

1044
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: to know more about Golden Records, go search them on

1045
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: the Internet. There's a bunch of really cool stuff out

1046
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: there about it. And I think we think you're gonna

1047
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: like it. Um. And since I said that it's time

1048
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: for a listener, Mayo, I'm gonna call this short and sweet.

1049
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: Hey guys, greetings from surprisingly sunny London. I just finished

1050
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: listening to your newest episode of Nazi Gold, and while

1051
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: it kills me that I can't even tell you which one,

1052
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: I am working on a legal case about one of

1053
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,919
Speaker 1: the Gold hordes and legends that you mentioned, and if

1054
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: it gets made public, I will of course dish out

1055
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: the details. But until then, just know that it's every

1056
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: bit as wild, thrilling and Indiana Jones meets the Goonies

1057
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: as you could possibly imagine. She wouldn't even give us

1058
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: anything like don't tell anybody this or don't read this

1059
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: as listener mail. But here's the real dirt. Nothing nothing,

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Speaker 1: just just is straight up like, hey, I've got all

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Speaker 1: this information that I'm not going to share with you,

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Speaker 1: and now chuck you you've turned around and done this

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Speaker 1: to everybody else. I know that's an anonymous even that

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Speaker 1: thanks is dripping in sarcasm too. Well, if you want

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Speaker 1: to be like anonymous and just straight up tease us

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Speaker 1: with information that you may or may not be able

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Speaker 1: send us an email. You can wrap it up spanking

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