Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome back to Brown Ambition. It's Mandy.
Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, hey, and you already know it's me Tiffany.
Speaker 1: We've had a pretty exciting week. I feel like the
Speaker 1: last week has been pretty vic both of us. Tiffany's
Speaker 1: had a birthday. Happy birthday, Tiffany, wo.
Speaker 2: Woop, thank you.
Speaker 1: Happy twenty first birthday.
Speaker 2: You know, when I was little, my mom she turned
Speaker 2: thirty nine and then literally for ten years straight she
Speaker 2: was thirty nine. It took me a while to catch on.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, you're thirty nine again. That's okay.
Speaker 2: I want to stick with twenty nine and I'm never
Speaker 2: going to get older.
Speaker 1: You know, like a day over twenty two. What did
Speaker 1: you do for your birthday?
Speaker 2: I went to the Bahamas on a budget of course,
Speaker 2: because you know I'm the budgetista. Four hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: two dollars wooed for flight and hotel.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really beautiful. There's a beach in the
Speaker 2: Bahamas in Freeport, I guess that's the Grand Bahama Island
Speaker 2: where they taped Pirates of the Caribbean. And it was
Speaker 2: hands down the most beautiful beach I've seen ever. And
Speaker 2: it was empty because we went during off season, so
Speaker 2: it's like six miles of pristine, beautiful beach and it
Speaker 2: was just me and my travel friend Madeline.
Speaker 1: Wasn't there just a hurricane there?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think, like, no, you know what there they
Speaker 2: I think some of the other islands, because the Bahamas
Speaker 2: is like a mix of like six different islands, and
Speaker 2: so some of the other islands kind of got the
Speaker 2: brunt of the hurricane, but where I was, they had not.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, Yeah, that sounds amazing. I saw some of
Speaker 1: your pictures. They were so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just honestly, it's like literally just what
Speaker 2: I needed.
Speaker 1: Well, I too went to an exotic destination.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: My goal for twenty fifteen was to just like get
Speaker 1: the upper half of my body to be the same
Speaker 1: shade as the lower half of my body, because I
Speaker 1: feel like since I moved to New York from Georgia,
Speaker 1: I've never had an even I have not had an
Speaker 1: even tand like my legs have turned a shade of
Speaker 1: pale yellow that I feel like does not exist outside
Speaker 1: of the a cran box. We're like among muppets. And
Speaker 1: uh so, you know, naturally, I went to Wisconsin for
Speaker 1: one of the few days I take off a year.
Speaker 1: This is actually, you know, for a really cool reason.
Speaker 1: My sister Mallory. I love her very much. She got
Speaker 1: married on Friday.
Speaker 2: They were so beautiful. I was like, oh, look at
Speaker 2: you and your sister and the picture of her, like
Speaker 2: in the black and white standing in the room. It
Speaker 2: was like, so beautiful, I know, a fairytale bride.
Speaker 1: It was really pretty. She had She had this whole
Speaker 1: like sixties like June Carter Cash hairstyle, and she got
Speaker 1: her makeup done. And I am like very much like
Speaker 1: I don't really cry and I don't really get emotional,
Speaker 1: so it was really fun to just like get to
Speaker 1: be in that girly environment. I've never been a bridesmaid
Speaker 1: before either really no. No, I have friends, but like.
Speaker 2: Or don't. Like, Okay, you're gonna start a hashtag, y'all,
Speaker 2: so at FA Podcasts, that's our our Twitter handle, and
Speaker 2: I want you to hashtag Mandy. I'm your friend Mandy
Speaker 2: with the I Mandy.
Speaker 1: Listen. I have friends, they just haven't gotten married yet.
Speaker 1: Nobody nobody from Georgia moves to New York to get married.
Speaker 1: That's why my friends haven't gotten married yet. I had
Speaker 1: a really good time and now I'm back and I
Speaker 1: we'll start with some We'll start with buzzworthy. Okay, I
Speaker 1: have to talk about this because before I left from
Speaker 1: my trip this past week, one of the last things
Speaker 1: I wrote was a response to this article, this essay
Speaker 1: that Jennifer Lawrence wrote for Lenadham's new newsletter. You know, Lenny,
Speaker 1: I'm not really fan, but anyway, so Lena Dunham has
Speaker 1: a newsletter. She's giving me a bunch of celebrities. She's
Speaker 1: had like Hillary Clinton write stuff and being interviewed by her,
Speaker 1: and now she's got Jennifer Lawrence coming out for the
Speaker 1: first time ever and talking about what it was like
Speaker 1: for her. I don't know if you remember, but so
Speaker 1: a few months back, like this summer Sony, then the
Speaker 1: huge production Studios was hacked and these emails came out
Speaker 1: revealing that Jennifer Lawrence and Amy Adams were paid like
Speaker 1: half as much wow as Bradley Cooper and Jeremy Renner
Speaker 1: were in the movie American Hustle, which came out last
Speaker 1: or last December or last Christmas. And Jennifer Lawrence never
Speaker 1: really talked about it until this letter, and she essentially writes,
Speaker 1: you know, here's what it was like. It was shitty,
Speaker 1: like the guys with Dix got raises and it was
Speaker 1: great for them. And she what she says is basically like,
Speaker 1: I wasn't upset with Sony when I realized this, I
Speaker 1: was upset with myself. I blame myself for like leaving
Speaker 1: the negotiation table, and I should have stopped for myself.
Speaker 1: And she like kind of says, you know, it gives
Speaker 1: the middle finger to gender bias. You know, she talks
Speaker 1: about how when she stands up for herself, people act
Speaker 1: as if, you know, she's insulted them or she's not
Speaker 1: being a team player. And she's like, fuck that, I'm
Speaker 1: going to say what I want to say when I
Speaker 1: want to say it. I'm done trying to find the
Speaker 1: adorable way to be assertive.
Speaker 2: But I think what's strange is like, I mean, I
Speaker 2: agree that you definitely want to take and as a woman,
Speaker 2: you know, we don't negotiate nearly as much, but don't
Speaker 2: act as if if you had negotiated, you still probably
Speaker 2: would have not gotten what what the guy's got, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing people ask me, like, doesn't she
Speaker 1: have an agent doing this for her. Yeah, And I'm like, probably,
Speaker 1: but I guess maybe it was a situation where the
Speaker 1: agent was like, oh, she's a woman, this is what
Speaker 1: she's worth, you know. And I'm like, in that case,
Speaker 1: I hope she fired him exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just crazy. Let me tell you. So,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm on this tour, this Know Your Value Tour
Speaker 2: by MSNBC, and I don't know if you know Mika Brazinski.
Speaker 2: So she has this show on WSNBC called what is
Speaker 2: a show called Oh Morning Joe. So she's got this
Speaker 2: co host Joe, and she started this tour because of
Speaker 2: this reason right here. So she has this co host,
Speaker 2: cohort cohort co host Joe, and she and he are
Speaker 2: really equally important on this show. And she found out
Speaker 2: she just casually, I don't know how it came out.
Speaker 2: She found out after negotiating and their show was like
Speaker 2: number one, it's doing so great. She found out that
Speaker 2: he was making get ready for this not one times more,
Speaker 2: not two, not five, but fourteen one, four times more
Speaker 2: than her. Fourteen times more. How is that even possible?
Speaker 2: She was like, wait what? So she started this whole
Speaker 2: Know Your Value to he to really teach women kind
Speaker 2: of like how not to be First she wrote the book, yes,
Speaker 2: and yeah the book. Yes, the book came out first,
Speaker 2: but it just was really shocking. Here's this woman, she's beautiful,
Speaker 2: she's smart, she's got this great show, and you're thinking,
Speaker 2: like she's on top of the world fourteen times more
Speaker 2: her co host was making and so don't tell me
Speaker 2: that's just the lack of like, oh, I didn't just negotiate.
Speaker 2: That's just crazy, you know, right?
Speaker 1: And I think what she You know, I interviewed Mika
Speaker 1: for Yahoo when her book came out, Know Your Value,
Speaker 1: and I like what she had to say. And I
Speaker 1: feel like I've heard this again and again and I've
Speaker 1: even experienced this in my career. Is the importance of
Speaker 1: having a male mentor or not just you know, the
Speaker 1: word mentor is so like loaded. I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: someone who's like your Yoda and takes you aside and
Speaker 1: like shows you the meaning of life and is there
Speaker 1: for you every day, but just someone who you can
Speaker 1: go to and say, hey, so you know, what's like
Speaker 1: Joe or Mike, Like, how much did you make when
Speaker 1: you were starting out? What you know, what did you
Speaker 1: make when you were on my level, what are you
Speaker 1: making now? And like, that's the bar that you want
Speaker 1: to rise to, because sadly enough, oftentimes men make so
Speaker 1: much more. That's who you should be, you know, that's
Speaker 1: the bar you should try and try and strive for.
Speaker 1: And when Mika found that out, she makes a big
Speaker 1: deal about talking about in the book she went to
Speaker 1: oh and asked him for negotiating strategies I In Jennifer
Speaker 1: Lawrence's letters, she writes basically like, you know, screw you,
Speaker 1: gender bias. I'm gonna say whatever I want. And Mika
Speaker 1: too is like, well, Joe's like screw you to everybody
Speaker 1: and like cursing at them, doesn't care, doesn't give a
Speaker 1: you know, a crap how people view him, which is
Speaker 1: all great, And I want to be like girl power
Speaker 1: middle finger gender bias, like get what you want, go
Speaker 1: in there and ask for what you deserve. But unfortunately,
Speaker 1: and this is where I feel like Jennifer Lawrence missed
Speaker 1: the mark in her letter. This is what I write
Speaker 1: about in my story for Yahoo, which is that studies
Speaker 1: show there are real social and professional consequences for women
Speaker 1: when they speak up for themselves in a work. Yes,
Speaker 1: people are more, people are less likely. Studies have shown
Speaker 1: to want to work with a woman who speaks up
Speaker 1: for herself, especially when it comes to her salary, and
Speaker 1: to work under a woman who speaks up for themselves.
Speaker 1: And I find that really disheartening. And I think, but
Speaker 1: I think that's reality. You know, you have to recognize
Speaker 1: that you can't just take the advice or just like
Speaker 1: you know, just like any man. Oh my god, so
Speaker 1: many men responded to this, like I have over one
Speaker 1: hundred comments on Facebook for this article and so many
Speaker 1: like guys, You're like, why should we feel sorry for women?
Speaker 1: Just don't know how to negotiate, just like, speak up
Speaker 1: for yourself, just like ask for it.
Speaker 2: It's not that easy.
Speaker 1: It's not like if I ask for if I go
Speaker 1: in a room and say, hey, I deserve half a
Speaker 1: million dollars, you know, and I want, like I don't
Speaker 1: know the stock options, put me on a board, like
Speaker 1: give me my own office. As a woman, people are
Speaker 1: gonna think, wow, she's kind of greedy, she's kind of
Speaker 1: full of herself. As a man, you're like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: maybe you know he deserves it.
Speaker 2: He's like even now, like you know, as an entrepreneur,
Speaker 2: setting my prices. Sometimes it's a bit like scary, because
Speaker 2: you know, it's almost like, you know, because I do
Speaker 2: a lot of community work, so people tend to feel like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: it should be free, right, Tiffany's free, even though I
Speaker 2: see her flying all over the place and teaching and
Speaker 2: speaking and blah blah blah. And then you know, somebody
Speaker 2: will hit me up and they're like, oh, so that's
Speaker 2: your price, or I'll get like behind the scenes or
Speaker 2: this is what I get a lot, which is so strange.
Speaker 2: People who'll have just met me at an event, we'll
Speaker 2: just say, hey, girl, you can give me a call
Speaker 2: real quick, and I'm like, who is this And they're
Speaker 2: just asking me to call them for like financial advice,
Speaker 2: like but I don't know them. And I just think myself, O, man,
Speaker 2: if I was a guy, would that be? Would you?
Speaker 2: And I don't think people are doing it to be
Speaker 2: purposefully disrespectful of my time and like, this is the
Speaker 2: business that I'm in. But I feel like as a
Speaker 2: woman sometimes it's like why you charge? Oh so I
Speaker 2: just can't talk to you on the phone. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm running a business, right, you know, And so and
Speaker 2: then I feel bad. Sometimes I'm like, well should I?
Speaker 2: I mean, even now I take way more calls than
Speaker 2: I should. I know that because I feel bad saying no,
Speaker 2: I feel greedy, like, well, tifny help them. And even
Speaker 2: though I have built so many different avenues for people
Speaker 2: to get help for free, I still find myself giving
Speaker 2: away even more of myself for free. So it's difficult
Speaker 2: whether you have regular nine to five or whether or
Speaker 2: not you're an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: I mean, when did you get to the point where
Speaker 1: you felt like you were asking for what you deserve
Speaker 1: in terms of like the feaz you're charging about a
Speaker 1: month ago, and you've been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 2: I know, I've been in business for five years. And
Speaker 2: it wasn't even me. This is what happened. So this
Speaker 2: huge organization, this national organization, was like, hey, Tiffany, we
Speaker 2: want you to speak at five different locations with us.
Speaker 2: Send me how much it would cost per location. So meanwhile,
Speaker 2: I mean bear in mind that this has been a
Speaker 2: banner year for me. So like last year, my highest
Speaker 2: rate was like fifteen hundred, and I thought that was
Speaker 2: big money. So I thought to myself, I was asking
Speaker 2: everybody that I knew that had no real experience, What
Speaker 2: do you think I should charge? In my heart, I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask for five thousand dollars per per talk,
Speaker 2: so five times five twenty five thousand. But I was like,
Speaker 2: there's no way they're going to give me that. That's
Speaker 2: way too much money, Tiffany. But I was like, I
Speaker 2: really wanted to ask for that, and so I kind
Speaker 2: of like asked around and decided to play it safe
Speaker 2: and asked for thirty five hundred dollars per talk, which
Speaker 2: was still huge because my talk is like forty five minutes,
Speaker 2: and I thought, well, still big money, Tiffany, right man,
Speaker 2: And I submitted my thirty five hundred dollars for talk.
Speaker 2: They said yes. And then I met the woman who
Speaker 2: kind of like is like the she's a global what
Speaker 2: was her position, like global something, communications director or whatever,
Speaker 2: and she pulled me aside. She's a woman of color,
Speaker 2: pulled me aside and said, oh, Tiffany, I wish you
Speaker 2: would have asked me about the rates first, because they
Speaker 2: told me to tell them how much. She said, before
Speaker 2: you sent out that email, because I had to send
Speaker 2: it out to a number of people and everyone saw it.
Speaker 2: She said, honestly, for what you are providing for us.
Speaker 2: We paid between ten to fifteen thousand dollars. I talked,
Speaker 2: so I could have gotten paid minimum. Wasn't it too
Speaker 2: late to go back? No, it was I could pay
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars and instead I'm getting fourteen thousand from
Speaker 2: fifty thousand minimum.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you just weren't asking the right
Speaker 1: people in terms of what your rates should have been.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course, because I didn't know who to
Speaker 2: a Honestly, I'm in I feel like I'm in this
Speaker 2: new waiting pool where most of my friends had regular
Speaker 2: ninety fives or they're like beginning entrepreneurs and my business
Speaker 2: is not going to say their business is not growing,
Speaker 2: but they're not in the same business as I am.
Speaker 2: Like one of my best friends, she's a really successful publicist,
Speaker 2: but she's not a speaker, so she's like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, if I was doing publicity work, she'd know
Speaker 2: and so and even when the woman this is how crazy.
Speaker 2: Even when the woman told me, Tiffany, you should have
Speaker 2: asked between ten and fifteen thousand, I actually told her no.
Speaker 2: I said, oh no, no, no me, Tiffany, There's no
Speaker 2: way you guys are not paying that. She said, Tiffany,
Speaker 2: I'm the one who okays the budget. How are you
Speaker 2: going to tell me no? Can you imagine? It took
Speaker 2: me like twenty four hours to digest, Like, yes, Tiffany,
Speaker 2: they would have paid you that, because I kept thinking,
Speaker 2: they're not gonna pay me that, and she's like, yes,
Speaker 2: this is what we pay.
Speaker 1: At the point when you have to talk to someone
Speaker 1: who's like you may not know personally mm hmm, but
Speaker 1: you know who is at a higher level than you.
Speaker 2: Exactly how I was like, fight to my website that
Speaker 2: night and I increased my rates to so like my
Speaker 2: top rate now is one thousand dollars and it goes
Speaker 2: down from there. I increase my rates right away. So
Speaker 2: I told myself, this is it, because if they're telling
Speaker 2: me this, this is what my worth is, how am I,
Speaker 2: you know, pushing against it saying no, I'm worth one
Speaker 2: third of that? Not even you know, right.
Speaker 1: I recently had a conversation with someone like, you know,
Speaker 1: someone who's in the same field as I am. I
Speaker 1: was asking her because she just got a great promotion.
Speaker 1: She had a very glossy new title, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: she must be making a lot more, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to figure out how she had done it. I just
Speaker 1: I just asked a lot of awkward questions. I'm known for,
Speaker 1: like asking people, how much do you make? How is
Speaker 1: that negotiation? Whatever? I just ask weird questions. And I
Speaker 1: asked her straight up, you know you got this great promotion?
Speaker 1: First of all, how'd you do it? Well? She had
Speaker 1: a competing offer from another another company, which is great leverage.
Speaker 1: And then I said, okay, great, how much do you
Speaker 1: make now? And she and I are pretty close in
Speaker 1: our you know, in our levels. We work in different fields,
Speaker 1: but close in our responsibilities, in our duties. And she
Speaker 1: earns less than I do. Now what fit having this promotion?
Speaker 1: And I was like, what's happening? At first, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: good because I was almost you know, I negotiated the
Speaker 1: hell out of, you know, the last couple of job
Speaker 1: offers I've had. And I always tell women that, and
Speaker 1: I've learned this from my own experience, is that if
Speaker 1: you're negotiating a job offer and you are sweating bullets
Speaker 1: and you're about to shit your pants, and you feel
Speaker 1: like like your heart is punching you in the throat,
Speaker 1: then you should add ten percent, because I feel like
Speaker 1: as women, we as women, we tend to pull back
Speaker 1: when we should be pushing forward. And it's very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And I can't like count on two hands how many
Speaker 1: women I've told how uncomfortable negotiating can be. And it's
Speaker 1: never going to be comfortable, like probably never until you
Speaker 1: I don't even know when, but like it's always going
Speaker 1: to feel against every base instinct as a woman to
Speaker 1: ask for more. And I'm like, you have to embrace that,
Speaker 1: like discomfort, and you have to push through it and
Speaker 1: ask for more. And that was a good example of
Speaker 1: you know, in this, in this the case of my
Speaker 1: colleague in this woman in their company, she had it
Speaker 1: negotiated early, and she was basically negotiating from a lower
Speaker 1: base than what I was negotiating from. And that also
Speaker 1: just goes back to like you need to start early
Speaker 1: and negotiate hard, because like once you get that first offer,
Speaker 1: that's what every raise is going to be based off of.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm so oh speaking of so over it.
Speaker 2: I think it's time for brown break, ground break. What's
Speaker 2: going to do? What's you gonna do when me come
Speaker 2: for you? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that too?
Speaker 2: So who needs to have several seats this week.
Speaker 1: Several seats how many women are on the View, because
Speaker 1: that's who needs to have I think four, four or
Speaker 1: five seats. We need a stadium of seats for every
Speaker 1: woman on the View. All eight of those X chromosomes
Speaker 1: need to be sat down and silenced. I mostly have
Speaker 1: a problem, you know, the View. I don't know why
Speaker 1: they don't cancel this show. It's crazy it's even still on.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie like I have a job. I
Speaker 1: don't watch The View. I haven't sat down and watched
Speaker 1: a full hour of this show probably ever in my life. However,
Speaker 1: I'm the consumer of the Internet, and so all the
Speaker 1: clips and stuff I see, and recently the two I
Speaker 1: guess the main person on the show right now who's
Speaker 1: just like saying the dumbest shit is Raven Simone. So
Speaker 1: recently on the show she was talking about I guess
Speaker 1: it's this whole segment started by you know, making fun
Speaker 1: of like YouTube stars, like internet stars, weird names, and
Speaker 1: Raven comes out and just like, you know me, be real,
Speaker 1: I would not hire someone with the ghetto name, says.
Speaker 2: Raven Simone, random on the wrong letters A.
Speaker 1: Raven Simone and I think, I think you're the one
Speaker 1: who who first shared this on Facebook and I saw it,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like.
Speaker 3: What is happening?
Speaker 1: Why is doing exactly what they want her to do
Speaker 1: in terms of like just riling up people.
Speaker 2: But like she's so meanwhile, I mean, and I'm not
Speaker 2: one to throw around the word ghetto blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: but when Raven she looks she has pink hair, yes,
Speaker 2: and like red hair and like fake fox locks, and
Speaker 2: just she is serving water Maandrella Lisha whatever the fake
Speaker 2: name that she created with like Raven Simone, honestly, just
Speaker 2: don't even have several seats. Just get your coat. This
Speaker 2: is a get your coat moment. Leave the building. Whoever
Speaker 2: you brought, whoever came with you, or who brought you here,
Speaker 2: they're no longer allowed at the party. She's just, like
Speaker 2: you said, she's just saying stuff just to be ignorant.
Speaker 2: I heard that. Even her own father was like, I tried.
Speaker 1: Write really funny she wrote like a dad post on Facebook.
Speaker 1: He's like, she said some stupid shit, but I still
Speaker 1: love her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a very dead that is.
Speaker 1: That's honestly all I want to say about that. Like
Speaker 1: I just think Raven needs to get.
Speaker 3: Off the air.
Speaker 1: Get her off the air. Yeah, she doesn't make good
Speaker 1: since Cheetah Girls, and I love Cheetah Girls.
Speaker 2: All right, sold, she was such a cute odes.
Speaker 1: That was her last successful TV show, and that's where
Speaker 1: it should have ended.
Speaker 2: How I'm trying to remember. I forgot, Like my memory
Speaker 2: is like though, I'm like, what was my blown break?
Speaker 1: Your brown break was going to be discount airlines?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, but I had a better one. Oh I remember?
Speaker 2: Oh so oh my brown break this week is kind
Speaker 2: of like, I guess piggybacking on Christy Tigue and I'm
Speaker 2: congratulations to her and John Legend and if they're progant preggers.
Speaker 2: So mine is linked to the fact that I just
Speaker 2: turned thirty six. Yes, get in twenty two. Honestly, I'm
Speaker 2: not even a shame of my age. People are always like,
Speaker 2: what you told someone. I'm like, yeah, I'm thirty six,
Speaker 2: so what So I don't have any kids, although me
Speaker 2: and the BF Superman I are definitely talking about it
Speaker 2: and about working on it far as getting married and
Speaker 2: having children's. But I mean, I get that question, what
Speaker 2: are you gonna have kids? Tiffany're getting a little old.
Speaker 2: When are you gonna have kids? I'm like, uh, i'd
Speaker 2: your business. I'm just wanting to take a brown break
Speaker 2: from the whole when are you gonna have kids? Question?
Speaker 2: It's just, yeah, it's just intrusive. And you don't know
Speaker 2: what if I was trying and I wasn't able. You know,
Speaker 2: a friend of mine just had a super preemi. He
Speaker 2: has been trying. He and his wife have been trying
Speaker 2: for years. Their first set of twins that when she
Speaker 2: was first pregnant, she lost them, and then they lost
Speaker 2: another baby, and she just went into really early labor
Speaker 2: and her their son is only twenty three weeks and
Speaker 2: he was only twenty three weeks inside her and he
Speaker 2: came out one pound seven ounces.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that what Chrissy Tiagan was saying. So she has
Speaker 1: this new show with like I don't know, Tyler Banks
Speaker 1: and Josie.
Speaker 3: From Yahoo Hey.
Speaker 1: Called The fab Life. And on the show, she was
Speaker 1: talking about how people keep asking her because she's been
Speaker 1: married for I guests a couple of years and people
Speaker 1: have been asking her like winning and I have a kid,
Speaker 1: and I guess say I'm having some fertility issues. She said,
Speaker 1: you know you don't know our problems, and it's rude
Speaker 1: that you're asking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, I mean, I'm not having for
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know. I mean I haven't tried,
Speaker 2: but I mean not did I know? But what if
Speaker 2: I was and you're asking and asking? Yeah? So just
Speaker 2: rob break just mind.
Speaker 1: Of business, mine business. I feel like this should be
Speaker 1: dedicated to mother's auntie business.
Speaker 2: Remember just where did that come from?
Speaker 3: Just mine? Mine?
Speaker 2: Was? That? Was that Wilsmith trying to teach Asley Banks
Speaker 2: how to how to fight?
Speaker 3: Oh man, maybe.
Speaker 2: It's my business.
Speaker 1: I had that awkward karaoke moment where you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do the Fresh Prince song and then you realize
Speaker 1: there's a whole other verse that you.
Speaker 3: Never show the show.
Speaker 1: Just side note on that one. I went to a conference.
Speaker 1: I didn't talk about this a couple like I guess.
Speaker 1: A week or two ago. I was in Montana, another
Speaker 1: beautiful place in the middle of nowhere, and it was
Speaker 1: it was a conference full of women and we at
Speaker 1: one point we were talking about there was a speaker
Speaker 1: who was talking about how she revolutionized for you know,
Speaker 1: foreign correspondence for women journalists. And she spent like a
Speaker 1: long time talking about her career, and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I really would like to know what did
Speaker 1: you sacrifice? Do you have a family, how did you
Speaker 1: you know? Do you have a marriage? Like what are
Speaker 1: your what's your personal life like? Because she only focused
Speaker 1: on the professional and someone at my table was like,
Speaker 1: you know, we never ask a man that, And I'm like, valid, however,
Speaker 1: a man does not have a uterus and a man
Speaker 1: does not have this ticking timeline of their biology, and
Speaker 1: like I'm all for being feminist and like not asking
Speaker 1: sexist questions, I know, but I feel like there is
Speaker 1: a point where, like women to women, I don't see
Speaker 1: what the problem is in me asking you a legitimate
Speaker 1: question about like how you balanced family and work?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because that's like I feel like that's what men want,
Speaker 1: That's what women want to know. Can we have a
Speaker 1: baby and be you know, a CEO or like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like foreign correspondent or whatever, Like what are
Speaker 1: the real what's what's the reality here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I sacrifice is telling you. Like today, like we
Speaker 2: taped a little bit later than usual because I had
Speaker 2: to make dinner because Superman was like, so you haven't
Speaker 2: made dinner in a while, and most people would be like, well,
Speaker 2: so what he can make his own dinner. Honestly, he
Speaker 2: always makes dinner, he said. Luckily he doesn't listen to
Speaker 2: the podcast, so I can go in. He always makes dinner.
Speaker 2: He always has a laundry, he always has a dishes,
Speaker 2: he always has a cleaning up. He always makes the bed.
Speaker 2: I'm like, the worst. The only thing I do consistently
Speaker 2: is my business, the Budgetisa, And sometimes I like look
Speaker 2: up after twelve hours of like working on the computer
Speaker 2: or tending to my business, and I'm like, what have
Speaker 2: you done to add to the household? Nothing? And he's
Speaker 2: always so good and kind about it. But then every
Speaker 2: once in a while he's like, babe, I wish you'd
Speaker 2: make dinner. So I was like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna say, I've got work to do, because I
Speaker 2: always have work to do, you know, And so I
Speaker 2: don't want to lose. This is such a great relationship
Speaker 2: because everyone else I've been with has been like, you know, like, ugh, Tiffany,
Speaker 2: you and this budget, theese, the business. But he's really supportive,
Speaker 2: so I really try to listen. When he's like okay,
Speaker 2: enough already, like just put like, even after you get
Speaker 2: off the podcast today, I'm gonna close the computer for
Speaker 2: once in my life. I'm gonna go downstairs and watch
Speaker 2: whatever show he's watching and just hang out and like
Speaker 2: help him full close because he's doing laundry right now.
Speaker 2: Because you know, I just I don't want to sacrifice everything.
Speaker 2: Like I see Oprah and I think to myself, Wow,
Speaker 2: you know Oprah didn't have kids, and she made a
Speaker 2: conscious decision not to have children because she said she
Speaker 2: knew she couldn't do both be Oprah and be a
Speaker 2: good mother. She had to decide. And I don't want
Speaker 2: Oprah's status if it comes with me having to decide
Speaker 2: not to have a family.
Speaker 1: Alrighty, and let's move on along to tips.
Speaker 2: Tips tips, tips, tips Man.
Speaker 1: Tips Man. Well, this week, Tiffany wrote a really fun
Speaker 1: and I think insightful. I'm all about being real. I'm
Speaker 1: all when people ask me, like how much do you make?
Speaker 1: How do you afford living in New York? I always
Speaker 1: tell the truth. And I like that you put out
Speaker 1: there on Facebook like you're entil You just like threw
Speaker 1: out your budget like I need the budget, Neista, Here's
Speaker 1: how my life works. So I wanted to talk to you,
Speaker 1: like and both of us actually just like sharing tips
Speaker 1: on how to maintain a good lifestyle while still you know,
Speaker 1: being within our prospective budgets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I mean honestly to me, it starts with
Speaker 2: number one live simply like I don't live in fancy life.
Speaker 2: I think. I think. I wrote on Facebook that, like,
Speaker 2: I still drive my ninety nine toy to Camra, which
Speaker 2: I got like eight years ago, so it's not like
Speaker 2: I got it new, but I paid for in full.
Speaker 2: It was four thousand dollars I remember, and it still
Speaker 2: runs great. Honestly. Cameras are a really great cars sidebar
Speaker 2: and Tiffany.
Speaker 1: What if I don't want to drive an old car
Speaker 1: and I want to go on trips and travel.
Speaker 2: Well, I say this that you can't have everything at
Speaker 2: the same time necessarily, like not even necessarily, It's just
Speaker 2: not possible. You can't have all things at the same time.
Speaker 2: You have to ask yourself, well, what do I want now,
Speaker 2: and then what do I want later? Like Oprah's like
Speaker 2: I can't have baby and do Oprah? Okay, if Oprah
Speaker 2: can't do boths, come on now you have to decide,
Speaker 2: like if you're paying a three four hundred dollars car payment,
Speaker 2: and then another two three hundred in insurance, and then
Speaker 2: you're only making not only but you're making twenty five
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a month. So you just can't have all things.
Speaker 2: You have to make a choice. So living simply is
Speaker 2: one of the ways that I'm able to travel the
Speaker 2: world because I have put travel over me having like
Speaker 2: a super fancy car. That's number one. Living simply.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I liked I live. Even though I earn
Speaker 1: like three times as much as I earned when I
Speaker 1: first moved to New York, I still live basically the same.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: I've improved some things, like a nice bed for quality
Speaker 1: of life, like I buy more than one pair of
Speaker 1: shoes a year. I bought some snow boots that are waterproof.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I really try and keep my like you
Speaker 1: try and avoid lifestyle inflation.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: I've seen so many friends when they get and they
Speaker 1: get a new raise, or they get like a little
Speaker 1: bump at work or a bonus, and.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh man, I'm rolling in dough.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like, I'm gonna start ordering seamless every night.
Speaker 1: I'm going on this vacation I'm gonna take my friends
Speaker 1: out to the bar, and that money is gone, and
Speaker 1: then your expenses are higher and you're like, where did
Speaker 1: that raise go? And then that's when you start the
Speaker 1: hamster wheel. You got to keep earning more and earning more, exactly.
Speaker 1: I gotta get the fancy car, I gotta get the
Speaker 1: better house, got get the bigger iPhone. You have to stop,
Speaker 1: like just freeze when you get a raise.
Speaker 2: Freeze exactly. And that's what leads us to NIME. But
Speaker 2: number two for me, which is really just look for
Speaker 2: the discounts. I remember I was talking to these college
Speaker 2: kids and I was telling them. I was bragging about
Speaker 2: some trip I'd been on. I was like, oh, and
Speaker 2: I only pay you know, flight, hotel, all inclusive, like
Speaker 2: seven days whatever it was. I think it was like Jamaica.
Speaker 2: I paid six hundred dollars. And they are like, what,
Speaker 2: but you said you make good money. I'm like I do.
Speaker 2: They're like, well, what does it matter what you paid?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, if I pay twelve hundred dollars
Speaker 2: for a trip that I could have gotten for six
Speaker 2: hundred dollars, then that's less money for the next trip.
Speaker 2: Like just because you make a whole lot of money,
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you should spend it wastefully, you know, So
Speaker 2: find the discounts. There's always discounts, like call and ask
Speaker 2: you you know, you never know. You might find out
Speaker 2: that the job that you work with has, you know,
Speaker 2: gives discounts based upon like if you have like I know,
Speaker 2: Sprint does this a lot. They partner with different organizations
Speaker 2: and they will give you, like, oh, fifteen percent off
Speaker 2: your phone bill if you're an Uber driver for example.
Speaker 1: I mean you designate like the same way I do.
Speaker 1: You designate earmark or bit of your savings every month
Speaker 1: toward travel. Yeah, that's the one thing that you like
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's like number three. I allocate, so I
Speaker 2: live by allocations. Like it's the point where now Superman
Speaker 2: will be like when I get paid, He's like, did
Speaker 2: you do your allocation? So here are my alleyations? Right
Speaker 2: for retirement and investing for wealth. I set aside twenty
Speaker 2: percent of my total income, so we get one hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Twenty dollars goes for retirement and investing for wealth. Those
Speaker 2: are two separate things. Retirement is to maintain the life
Speaker 2: I have. Now, Investing for wealth is to increase the
Speaker 2: life you know that I have now my standard of living.
Speaker 2: Twenty percent goes for taxes because this is like my
Speaker 2: accountant he told me, like, you know, if you set
Speaker 2: aside twenty percent of your total income, then that should
Speaker 2: be enough. And I pay my taxes like quarterly. Five
Speaker 2: percent I set aside for debt. I still have student
Speaker 2: loans fro when I got my master's, I paid off
Speaker 2: my undergrad loans, but these masters on it the masterest.
Speaker 2: Ten percent I donate. I really believe in giving back,
Speaker 2: so whatever, like sometimes it's a person, sometimes it's an organization,
Speaker 2: it could be a cost. So I set aside ten
Speaker 2: percent of my income to give back. Five percent I
Speaker 2: put an emergency fund. Five percent I set aside for track,
Speaker 2: and that leads me at the end with thirty five
Speaker 2: percent of my total income for life and business spending.
Speaker 2: And so I don't always hit those allocations, Like no
Speaker 2: matter what I tell myself, I have to set aside
Speaker 2: for retirement, I have to set aside for taxes, and
Speaker 2: I have to donate. Everything else is kind of like okay,
Speaker 2: if I get to it, I get to it. So
Speaker 2: but those are things I always set aside for But
Speaker 2: my ideal allocations are that twenty percent retirement besting twenty percent, taxes,
Speaker 2: ten percent donate, five percent debt, five percent emergency fund,
Speaker 2: five percent travel, and the rest thirty five percent for
Speaker 2: life and business. And so when I posted it, people
Speaker 2: were like, ooh, now the caveat is that this is
Speaker 2: my percentage. Then I just started doing these percentages this year.
Speaker 2: You have to ask yourself what they would look like
Speaker 2: for you. You might not travel, might not be a
Speaker 2: huge deal for you. So you're just like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm actually not going to set aside five percent for travel.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's five percent for clothes. You might not have
Speaker 2: any debt, so you don't have to set aside a
Speaker 2: percentage for day, you know, and.
Speaker 1: We should put that budget up on the tumbler. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm saying for that, and it'd be really cool for
Speaker 1: you to look at.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean, honestly, it's just about and that's
Speaker 2: how I'm able to, like, you know, because you know, Manny,
Speaker 2: you know living this. You live in New York. So
Speaker 2: if you want to kind of like enjoy life, I
Speaker 2: think people think like budgets. Tell them no, And I'm
Speaker 2: like man my budget tells me, hell yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, my favorite Every pay day, my favorite thing
Speaker 1: to do, The first thing I check is my savings account,
Speaker 1: and I automate. This is different for you because obviously
Speaker 1: you run your own business, and so it takes even
Speaker 1: a lot more willpower on your part because you are
Speaker 1: paying yourself and you have to have even more self
Speaker 1: control over what you spend. But for me, the biggest breakthrough,
Speaker 1: or the biggest ally for me and my spending is
Speaker 1: auto pay and auto sorry, direct deposit. I should say
Speaker 1: where I automatically when I get paid, more than fifty
Speaker 1: percent of my income goes in some sort of savings,
Speaker 1: whether it's for my retirement or you know, future travel
Speaker 1: or my emergency fund. I'm saving up to buy a
Speaker 1: house one day, and I have money going along, and
Speaker 1: that money is completely out, like it doesn't even touch
Speaker 1: my checking account. In fact, I have it in a
Speaker 1: savings account that it's not easy for me to access.
Speaker 1: I don't have an ATM card for it. I cannot.
Speaker 1: It would take me a few days to transfer whatever
Speaker 1: I wanted it. And that's been huge for me, and
Speaker 1: it's been a huge way for me to just like
Speaker 1: not even miss it and you think that you can't survive.
Speaker 1: Like I, it's my budget. Like, legitimately, all I have
Speaker 1: to spend every pay period is five hundred dollars. That's food,
Speaker 1: that's entertainment. That's if I want to buy a new
Speaker 1: pair of shoes, or like if I need to go
Speaker 1: travel for the holidays. That's the money I have to spend.
Speaker 1: And it's really challenging. It's like what I was making
Speaker 1: in college.
Speaker 2: Basically, let me hold sun. What is that?
Speaker 4: A lot?
Speaker 2: One? If my friend always says that whatever, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I got paid today or I got a check today,
Speaker 2: She's always like, let me be a whole soun No.
Speaker 2: That's dope though, But like because like you said, telling
Speaker 2: yourself no really means telling yourself yes to other aspects
Speaker 2: of your life. I think people it's like a mindset
Speaker 2: really issue. It's like, oh, man, I have less, That's
Speaker 2: just not true. You know, my friends would tease me
Speaker 2: and call me cheap back in the day, But then
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I just spent my birthday in the Bahamas,
Speaker 2: you know, and before that I was I forgot. I
Speaker 2: mean last year for my birthday I was in I
Speaker 2: spent it in Greece and Turkey, and before that, I
Speaker 2: was in Morocco and Spain. And so that's not a
Speaker 2: no life, that's a yes life. By telling the things
Speaker 2: that don't matter to me, nah, I don't really need it.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to be clear about what you're
Speaker 1: saving for exactly. I went through a period where I
Speaker 1: had saving I had seven different savings accounts, and I
Speaker 1: don't have that many anymore. I've kind of like simplified things,
Speaker 1: but like I named each of them a different thing. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's laptop I needed to do, laptop, Costa Rica. Trip
Speaker 1: I needed to go on a vacation ended up being
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, not Costa Rica. But you know, the idea
Speaker 1: was there, you know, like trip home for the holidays,
Speaker 1: holidays spending, that's what I needed. That like putting an
Speaker 1: image and a name to what you're saving for, that
Speaker 1: is what because then it's harder for you to take
Speaker 1: money out of your like Grandma's Christmas present exactly.
Speaker 2: And then too, like you said, if you can actually
Speaker 2: name so I suggest to people like Mandy said that,
Speaker 2: I would suggest you go. There's this great website me
Speaker 2: and Mandy both love called Magnify Money dot com and
Speaker 2: if you go to Magnify Money, you can kind of
Speaker 2: like peruse kind of what kind of online only banks
Speaker 2: there are and look for savings accounts there. So there's
Speaker 2: a bunch of like online only banks. There's like Ally
Speaker 2: and like Capital one three sixty and ge Capital and
Speaker 2: a whole bunch, so you can peruse and kind of
Speaker 2: go through and look to see, you know, how they're rated,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna look for free savings and I think
Speaker 2: most savings are free, but every once in a while
Speaker 2: you might find one that charges a fee, but FDIC
Speaker 2: insured free and you want to look for savings that
Speaker 2: gives you the highest interest. You know, you earn the
Speaker 2: highest amount of money on your money. And then you
Speaker 2: open up it's critical that's on line only, meaning there's
Speaker 2: no physical location. Because one, what that means is they
Speaker 2: don't have the overhead as a regular bank, so they're
Speaker 2: going to pass that savings onto you. And then two,
Speaker 2: it makes your money inconvenient and inconvenient money gets saved.
Speaker 2: Here's how you're at Target, which is my favorite place
Speaker 2: to waste away in my life and money. Target just
Speaker 2: makes you, like it makes you happy to be broken,
Speaker 2: Like I'm so broke. It took all my money, and
Speaker 2: you're still smiling. So you're at Target, see something really
Speaker 2: cute and you really want it. You look at your
Speaker 2: checking account on your phone, and your checking account says nope.
Speaker 2: You look at your savings account on your phone, and
Speaker 2: your savings account says yes. And if it's at a
Speaker 2: regular bank, then you could transfer easily from your checking
Speaker 2: from your savings to your checking and spend that money,
Speaker 2: you know. But if it's at an online only bank,
Speaker 2: it takes like two to five business days to transfer
Speaker 2: your money from your savings account at the online only
Speaker 2: bank back to your checking account at your regular bank.
Speaker 2: So unless you point on sleeping at Target for two
Speaker 2: to five business days, you're not getting that outfit or
Speaker 2: dress or whatever. Yeah. So that's one of the ways that, like, honestly,
Speaker 2: that has helped significantly. Because I'm not super disciplined. People
Speaker 2: think like, oh, you're so disciplined. No, I just know
Speaker 2: how to throw up those like barriers for myself, like
Speaker 2: you know, your weaknesses exactly, Like I can't get to
Speaker 2: my money, never mind, I'll leave it, you know.
Speaker 1: And that is why I unsubscribe from gaps email list
Speaker 1: and jam cruise email list all those retail Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And secretly, my sister was complaining about I love my sister,
Speaker 1: but she was complaining about like getting all these you know,
Speaker 1: like being drawn in by these email offers from this
Speaker 1: one retailer she loved. And I snuck into her email
Speaker 1: and unsubscribed.
Speaker 3: Ooh, like I'm going to save you all this trouble.
Speaker 1: She stops shopping there, out of sight, out of mind. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm a little controlling though, just trying to help anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think lifestyle inflation is very toxic, and you have
Speaker 1: to Yeah, you have to keep say realistic and think
Speaker 1: small with're with your lifestyle. Like you don't have to
Speaker 1: run early before you crawl. That's really corny, but like
Speaker 1: be slow just because you get a raise, Like the
Speaker 1: average person only gets three percent raise each year. That
Speaker 1: is not like magic Johnson money. Like you're not the car. No,
Speaker 1: that's not paying for a new car exactly.
Speaker 2: People aren't actually seeing people be like, oh, I'll figure
Speaker 2: it out. I'm like, you know, math is universal, right,
Speaker 2: Like I've got people be like, oh, I'm making know
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars a month and my car note is
Speaker 2: eight hundred you're like, so, I guess you're not eating
Speaker 2: or sleeping anywhere. No, I'll figured it out. No, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna figure it out. Like, there's no if you
Speaker 2: make a thousand and you're paying eight hundred towards your car,
Speaker 2: that's two hundred left over for rent, food, toiletries, groceries,
Speaker 2: just everything. It's just not possible, you know. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I just wish that people just really trusted in the
Speaker 2: science of mathematics and stop for the fact that you
Speaker 2: know one plus one, you know equals too, and you know,
Speaker 2: if you don't make enough, it's not going to magically
Speaker 2: come up. Only time that I've seen money magically work,
Speaker 2: this is the only instance that money will magically work
Speaker 2: for you is when you have a kid. That's the
Speaker 2: only way that I've seen people say, I don't know
Speaker 2: how I was able to do it, but somehow we
Speaker 2: couldn't afford our life before. But now we have a baby,
Speaker 2: and somehow the baby is still eating.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a human life at stake exactly.
Speaker 2: That's the only time I see like it somehow make
Speaker 2: it way. It doesn't make its way for Puerto Rico
Speaker 2: or Cayman Islands, Like no you don't get that same
Speaker 2: magic trick for those things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get these weird I get always emails from
Speaker 1: people saying, you know, like, oh, I make I make
Speaker 1: this much and I need these are my expenses, and
Speaker 1: I just earn less than what I have right now,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, at a certain point, budgeting, can we
Speaker 1: take you so far? You have to focus on growing
Speaker 1: your wealth and you have to be investing your savings.
Speaker 1: Once you've saved enough for emergencies, you should be investing
Speaker 1: that in an account where you can actually earn enough
Speaker 1: to beat inflation, which is going to eat your money
Speaker 1: up like a little rat or like a little gerbil.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to prepare yourself in that that
Speaker 1: It means investing in the IRA, you know, investing in
Speaker 1: a savings account that had a little bit of interest
Speaker 1: like these online banks we're talking about, and it means
Speaker 1: earning more and even though it seems counterintuitive, spending money
Speaker 1: on things that will increase your human capital are very important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And when we talk about human capital, it's like Tiffany's
Speaker 1: master's degree. You know, I wanted to go back and
Speaker 1: earn a certification in financial planning and that would help
Speaker 1: me in my professional career. It is a little money out,
Speaker 1: but it will bring more money in the future, and
Speaker 1: that's an investment worth making.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's brand ambition. Let's do the wins.
Speaker 2: My win this week A is what is my win?
Speaker 2: I don't know, so Manna be awesome, you go first.
Speaker 1: I'll do my first. I wanted to call out I
Speaker 1: wanted to shout out Ava Duverne, the extraordinary director of Selma,
Speaker 1: obviously award winning Oscar winning film Selma. They won the
Speaker 1: Oscar for Best Song. I think she's in the cover
Speaker 1: of Elle magazine. Unfortunately, she's not the only cover on
Speaker 1: Elle magazine. She's like one of eight women, and I
Speaker 1: think she's one of like two women of color, including
Speaker 1: Salma Hayek, out of these eight women. But I thought
Speaker 1: I was really cool because they're all actors, they're all models,
Speaker 1: and like she is a director. She's literally behind the
Speaker 1: camera and they yanked her out. They said, you're amazing,
Speaker 1: we're putting on the front cover and she uses the
Speaker 1: platform to talk about the need for more diversity and filmmaking.
Speaker 1: Thought that was awesome. Also, she favored my tweet on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and I like lost myself. I lost everything. I lost
Speaker 1: all my cool. I tweeted about the commercial she did
Speaker 1: for Apple Apple Music with Taraji and with what's her
Speaker 1: face scandal?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Olivia Poto.
Speaker 1: Kry Washington, Yeah and married.
Speaker 2: I'm like Olivia, So your tweet, Oh my god, I
Speaker 2: would have favored her favoriting my tweet.
Speaker 1: I may have took it. I may have taken a screenshop.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think. So I had one, But I
Speaker 2: think this is gonna be a win. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's not super brown, but it's kind of So. There's
Speaker 2: this woman who started this nonprofit called the Birthday the
Speaker 2: Birthday Party Project, where she I guess she was having
Speaker 2: a baby, her first baby, and planning it's her baby's
Speaker 2: birthday party. And I don't know how she's a party
Speaker 2: planner by profession. Somehow, I guess she started volunteering at
Speaker 2: a homo shelter or something like that, and she realized
Speaker 2: there were all these kids who never got to experience
Speaker 2: like what it was like to have a birthday party.
Speaker 2: And she thought, you know what, you know, I know
Speaker 2: how to plan parties, and she began planning birthday parties
Speaker 2: for children in homeless shelters and the joy on these kids' faces, Like, honestly,
Speaker 2: it just made me want to just give her all
Speaker 2: my money because it was just such a because you know,
Speaker 2: what I find, unfortunately, is I used to do a
Speaker 2: lot of volunteering with the homeless population here in Newark,
Speaker 2: and what I found was that so many times, you know,
Speaker 2: people focus on just the essentials, because I get it,
Speaker 2: you focus on the essentials because you're like, oh, you
Speaker 2: need food, chucks or clothing, water, but they forget that
Speaker 2: you know, you're homeless, but you're human. Hello, And sometimes
Speaker 2: people forget that because they feel like, well, that's not essential,
Speaker 2: you don't need that. But I remember volunteering at this
Speaker 2: church that used to do like game night for homeless
Speaker 2: folks on like Thursdays, and I thought, I'm like, that
Speaker 2: seems kind of wasteful until I went and I realized,
Speaker 2: like because they were trying to like maintain like not
Speaker 2: feeling like they were, you know, not human beings, you know.
Speaker 2: And I just love the fact that she had picked
Speaker 2: up on this you know this I don't know, this
Speaker 2: project for kids and just the joy on their faces
Speaker 2: because a lot of their parents they don't I mean
Speaker 2: obviously their parents don't have it and it's not an
Speaker 2: essential item, and so it's not something that's provided for
Speaker 2: these kids. And so the woman, I forget her name,
Speaker 2: but if you go to the Today Show dot com,
Speaker 2: they did like a whole special or whatever on her
Speaker 2: and a lot of these kids are Brown, so accounts
Speaker 2: although the woman who started it it's not brown, but whatever,
Speaker 2: she's honorary Brown. Because I think this is such an
Speaker 2: awesome idea and the joy that these kids experience for
Speaker 2: being made to feel special this one day on their birthday. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: that has been it for Brown Ambition. I hope you
Speaker 2: enjoyed as much as we enjoyed you. You can find
Speaker 2: us always at Brownambition dot.
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Speaker 1: At Brand Ambition Podcast at gmail dot com. And next
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Speaker 1: next week on the show Can't Wait. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: Tiffany birthday girl?
Speaker 2: Yes, ibut up by ConA down, Go.
Speaker 1: Make Superman his girl cheese or whatever is on the
Speaker 1: menu for tonight.
Speaker 3: Then it is done.
Speaker 2: But I'm definitely gonna make him some some hugs and
Speaker 2: kitchens and snuggles.
Speaker 1: Okay, alright, let's talk to you later, r B.
Speaker 2: Alright, bye,