WEBVTT - S2E24 Valley Girls 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:20.599 Welcome back, listeners to your one and only source into 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:25.120 all things gossip Crow. You know you'll love it. XO 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:30.800 x Oh, Hello everyone, and welcome back to XO XO. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.120 I'm your host, Jessica's Or. Today we'll be getting into 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:39.519 season two episode Valley Girls. This is pretty special. We 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.239 have a flashback to Lily's life growing up in l A, 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:46.199 which actually was a backdrop pilot for a Gossip Girl spinoff. 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.440 That's crazy, right, And of course the Upper east Side 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.320 has its own drama, including prom night and one of 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:55.960 the sweetest Chuck and Blair moments in the show. And 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.840 for my guest, you know her, you love her. I'm 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.280 so excited to announce my partner in crime, Susanna Shatkowsky, 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.200 is joining me again this week. Susanna always brings the 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:09.440 best stories and honestly, I just love talking to her. Plus, 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.200 De Rhoda has some great moments in this episode that 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:16.080 Susannah can give her expertise on. I'm so excited. So 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:33.800 without further ado, here's Bally Girls. What's going on? Girl? Hey, 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.520 what's going Yeah? Every time we start talking, we have 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:38.440 a countdown and it sounds and to me, it's like 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.720 forgot to take off of the Space Shuttle. We're going 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:46.720 to space the girl. Um, that's actually funny you say that. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:48.880 Last night we have two friends in town and we're 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.520 up in flag stuff and like at night, the stars 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:55.280 are so beyond like there's so many and that you 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.040 see like shooting stars and all the things. We were 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:04.040 literally took blankets and laid on the driveway. Amazing and beautiful. 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:05.800 So but you have to appreciate that. It's like in 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:07.520 New York you can't see the stars and not staying 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:12.960 out one star. I guess there are some stars walking around, right, 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.880 But No, it's funny because Flagstaff it's like the only 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.080 thing I know about Flagstaff is uh, the climate is uh, 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.560 you know, not what you would typically think of. No. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.760 In Arizona, Sona. Yeah, and so because essentially desert beautiful. Yeah, 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.560 it's so beautiful the tree and right now with fall, 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.080 it's like all the colors, all the fall vibes, and 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.240 that this is my favorite time of the year. That's 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:36.720 why I like living in l A. Is hard for 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.480 me because I'm like, I need fall. I need that 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:43.519 New York fall. Today is a good example. Today is 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.800 that kind of fault still sunny, but it has like 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:48.760 the temps are down where you can have like a 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:52.000 little bit of a light jacket. It's like brisk, yes, 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.600 and it has that feeling of people have wood burning fireplaces. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:57.799 So this time of the year when you're walking the dog, 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:03.160 smell the fireplace is and it's like crunchy leaves and 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:07.160 it's like crisp air. Yeah, and is yea does really 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.400 well in spring and fall because the small amount of 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.440 foliage that we do have, it's like all of a 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.440 sudden you kind of start noticing it because it's like 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:18.800 beautiful colors. And yeah, fall is definitely, let's romantic New 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:24.400 York time. This is magic time. It really does feel magical. 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.240 Brief little window. So the countdown comes on. We're going 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:32.400 to gossip Girl World. We're in a like in a spaceship. Yes, yeah, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.000 here we are. It does feel like that. And here 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:36.960 we are talking about fall in New York. Okay, So 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:41.760 we're rewatching season two, episode twenty four, Valley Girls, which 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.960 is based on the movie Valley Girl, three rom com 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.160 with Deborah Foreman and Nicholas Cage. I don't know that movie. 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.440 That's when I've never heard of. I don't either and 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.320 I like Nicholas Cage. He like cracks me up in 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.520 a way. Yeah, and so this is that crazy episode 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.880 where we have a flashback to Lily's youth. This only 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:59.800 happens once some gossip roll and we like leave the 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.640 sort of universe of this show and go into another. 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.800 We leave the planet of Gossip Girl and go go 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.640 to the planet of l A. I guess, yeah, yepree, 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.240 I think is what it said in the opening. And 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.520 we see like Malibu and it's Brittany Snow playing the 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:20.200 younger Lily driving on PCH Pacific Coast Highway. I have 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.159 a friend that's from Malbo and she's like, people always 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.440 say the pH when you're not from there. She's like, 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.040 when you're from there, you just say pc H. That's 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:33.719 a good hint. That's like insider knowledge. Yea Pacific Highway. 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.039 And Brittney Snow, who I'm a big fan of. I 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.000 think she's such a sweetheart in life and then her 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.000 as an actor, I think she's just she has like 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.680 always this undertone thing of like this comedic thing that 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:46.719 she brings to a lot of her roles. I feel, 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.719 all in all, I'm a big fan of her. No, 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.360 I agree. She has a really magical charismatic quality. And 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.239 in this particular show, it's like, because she is playing 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.400 a young Lily and we know Lily so well, it's 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.920 like she really did an incredible job of finding the 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.320 sort of essence of that actor and then playing the 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.960 young version of her, Like it was masterful. I thought, 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.720 So I'm a big Brittany fan now, especially after what 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:10.359 I thought. She was really really really great, and I 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:12.359 love Christian Ritter, and I thought that was like a 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.720 good match and their chemistry was great. Yeah, oh that's 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.000 a good chemistry. And it's funny because like we had 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.960 that that pair in this episode, we see the Brittany 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.760 and Britney Christian River chemistry and then we see the 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:29.120 Layton Blake chemistry and those two sort of blonde brunettes, 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:33.520 you know, but really really fun to watch those two 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.520 different friendships and the different kind of colors of them. 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.360 But then also they have essential like core that they 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:42.000 share almost totally very true. And it's also funny because 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.600 you would never put those two sisters. So I also 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.120 thought that was kind of like interesting but cool, and 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.679 I loved how they plugged that right away, like the 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.080 Shiloh his character at the diner is like, I don't 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.560 see the resemblance. I'm like, okay, totally different looking, different vibes. 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.520 But I thought that that was what was neat about it. Okay, 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.440 can we talk about this before we get into it. So, yeah, 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.240 this was a spinoff, and it was essentially supposed to 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.640 be the pilot for a spinoff of Gossip Girl, which 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.440 was would have been Valley Valley Girls, right, right. So 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.520 it's like they conceived of the idea that the Gossip 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.600 Girl was at this point in its second season well received, right, 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.640 and they were considering spin off ideas. I mean, I'm assuming, 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.159 and then they came up with this plan that, you 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.680 know what would be nice to to explore the high 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.200 school life of Lily vander Woodson. So I guess that 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.120 rather than make a separate pilot, they kind of folded 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.520 it into the Gossip Girl story here. So it's like 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.160 we're getting a pilot within an episode, right, So it's 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.920 like unique Dommy like yeah, and it's like I can't 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.320 think of another show where that's happened, but I'm sure 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.680 it has, but it's an interesting way to do it, 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.960 it is, and I think the idea is like actually 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.400 really cool when you think about it. But I'm watching it, 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:54.200 and to me, when it was done, I'm like, wait, 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.119 I want to see what's going on with Lily and Carroll. 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.200 Even though we know where Lily ends up, there's still 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.320 like years that go on and this in that relationship, 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.280 And we get teased on so many things in this 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.400 episode because like we know that you know, she had 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:08.880 some kind of you know, she really had a deep 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.120 relationship or connection with this guy that she meets in 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.840 this in l a and that somehow her mom messes 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.880 it up for her. We learned that from the flash forward, 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.160 and but we need to see it go down. And 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.560 it's like, yeah, I got really hooked, And it was like, yeah, 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.640 I really wanted to see how those characters continue to 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:29.760 relate tweet and like even dis ship and yeah, her 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.560 on the bus, like how is she going to live 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.640 in this world? Absolutely? And I And here's my thing, 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.720 I don't know what ended up happening. If they just 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:43.080 decided to just leave at the flashback episode or whatever. 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.000 I'm not sure. I don't know the answers are, but 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:49.760 it didn't continue. But I think that with Gossip Girl, 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.800 we're so dialed in right now with what's going on 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:56.360 with Blair and Nate and Chuck and then Serena going 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.880 to jail and Georgina coming back and all these things. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.280 I think when it pulled away and we did go 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:06.560 back to the flashbacks, you're still like so caught up 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:08.480 on what's going on on the Upper east Side that 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.520 I feel like it was I feel like they would 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:12.360 have just done it on its own. It would have 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.559 maybe had a different outcome. Does that make sense, Yeah, totally. 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.040 And I think it's like it's like your attention is 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.520 kind of split. So it's like that the feeling that, 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:21.480 you know, I'm so invested in these characters in this 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.960 story and this these are like my buddies that I'm watching, 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.360 you know, it's like my gos girl that I know. 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:28.600 And then it's like, yeah, when you would get taken 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:30.559 away to the other story, it's like your brain almost 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.400 has a reset, and then as soon as you get 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.440 engaged in the other world, like when you start to 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.440 really kind of get the you know, you're in the 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.280 vibe of it, then you flashback again. So it is 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.160 a harder way to do it, and they did a 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.480 great job in the sense of beaut wanting us to 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.240 watch both, but it was to me, I'm like, if 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.040 they would have just maybe done it on its own. 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.360 Then all of a sudden, Derroota brings her her problemdress 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.439 and I can't get over the prom dress. I can't 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.240 get over how like sweet you are that you did that. 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.360 I'm so pumped for Blair. And then it cuts to 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.640 the other thing and I'm like still dandreaming about Blair's 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.080 beautiful prince dress. Yeah, and it's fun because I feel 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.120 like the juicy sort of flashback to you know, kind 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.000 of really getting into the Lily's relationship their own mother, 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.480 and like going back in Lily's life is one thing, 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:15.080 but if it's a pilot for a standalone show, it's like, 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.040 I feel like you and I are both you know, 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.440 we're kind of in love with those characters in that story. 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.680 We wouldn't want to want to see it, you know, 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.840 as its own show too. But it's like, uh so, 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.000 I feel like this episode works beautifully the way that 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.280 it is, but it's almost like I wish they had 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.840 had then a second kind of standalone pilot on its own, 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.600 so that we could really invest in that other world 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.080 and then see it take off because it's such a 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.640 cool kind of spinoff because because there's so much to 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.280 dig into, right, you kind of have an idea of 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:45.760 where we end up with this character, but it's a 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:47.440 whole other world to explore, and so we have the 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.959 sensibilities of the same kind of creative team flashing it out. 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.280 So it's kind of fun and you look for the echoes, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.719 but you can go into a whole other story and 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.319 invest in a whole other group of characters and it's 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.120 never going to bump up against the other one because 0:09:58.200 --> 0:09:59.920 you know, it's not like the eighties, there of a 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.120 to catch up to the you know whatever year. So 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.040 I think it was so cool. So I wish I 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.120 wish it had been different, but you know, the world 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.600 of who and what, Yeah, you never know what TV 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.880 and or maybe someone else book the pilot and couldn't 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.480 do it, Like there's so many things that could have 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.520 went on. But yeah, more or less, we both really 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.640 enjoyed it. Yeah, I think it was a fun It 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.839 was a fun jaunt. Yeah, And it's like when you're 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:24.800 an actor and you're working on the show, it's almost 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.200 you can't even let yourself think about how many things 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.480 have to go into making it. You just got to 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.760 try to make it and make it keep going. And 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.080 you know, so the idea that the pilot or an 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.920 idea turns into a series is already so you know, 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:42.600 beyond comprehension, beyond for sure, So who knows. But but 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.080 it was a really fun thing to explore, and I 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.400 think that we certainly got a lot out of it 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.360 in this episode as far as like, to me, this 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:53.120 stuff that we learned about Lily is priceless. And then 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.120 also the sort of mother daughter relationships that are set up, 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.679 you know, with Clates to Serena. I feel like it 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.360 really gave us a lot of a lot of insight 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.480 and a lot of For me, it was very relatable 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.640 and so I think, you know, that kind of layered 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.520 storyline here really worked. And there was so much, like 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.640 you said, so much exciting stuff happening in the sort 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.400 of contemporary story. But the prom, I mean the prom 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.120 that's a big deal. Oh god, we need to get 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.040 into all of this right now. Okay, So this is 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.400 here's where we left off, because now we we'll dive in. 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.520 But Chuck brought your Gina back to the city to 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:28.439 help him and Serena catch a scammer, while Blair had 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.439 to choose between Chuck and Nate. Rufus prepared to propose 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:35.480 to Lily but realized he didn't recognize her anymore, and 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.640 Serena's planned to expose Poppy ended with her winding up 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.320 in jail. Her mother put in j which I'm still 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.560 not over. Yeah, was like put her in jail and 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.240 then and then her plan us to drop the charges eventually. 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.280 But when we left her, she was just hanging out 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.680 and everybody was hanging out in the waiting room. Um 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.320 So in this episode, we have a flashback to the 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.199 early eighties, as we said, So it's some seven teen 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.600 year old Lily Rhodes that's who we're with, and she 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.839 gets kicked out of boarding school and runs away to 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:08.560 Santa Barbara, where she reconnected her parents Rick and Cecy 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.480 and goes to find her rebellious sister Carol. And back 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.439 in the present day, Blair and Nate are going to 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.720 prompt together, but the evening doesn't turn out exactly as planned, 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.319 and meanwhile Serena and Lily do not see eye to 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:24.440 eye over Serena's recent running with the law. So a 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.400 lot of things are happening, and incidentally, Andrew McCarthy plays 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.559 the dad, which is amazing. Yeah, because first of all, 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.760 he's an icon of that time. I mean he's like original, 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:41.120 like Brett Pack guy. So yeah, and like the older viewers, 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.600 I mean the older but you know the viewers that 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:47.120 we're not, you know, teens and twenties of the show. Um, 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:48.840 that says something to them because he was in a 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.040 ton of back to the eighties. Yeah, and we're getting 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.239 and he's like, you know, that's sort of the generation 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.320 that he was like this cool kid in and then 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:57.960 so that's cool. And then also the fact is like 0:12:58.080 --> 0:12:59.920 I know he you know, he worked on Gossip or 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.120 so much as a director, directed some episodes and I 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.280 loved him as a director, So I forgot that he 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.360 was on it as an actor in this episode, and 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.240 it was kind of I didn't even know about, Like yeah, 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:09.679 I felt like a real like I was like, what 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.640 is that him? And so fun because then he would 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.719 have been on both sides of the same camera. Is 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.120 kind of cool because like, yeah, if he got to 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.040 new the crew and he's I liked him as a 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.200 director because he was like an actor's director. Obviously he 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.520 was real like confident and easy and really knew how 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.760 to speak, you know, like he would give one quick 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.720 line or one quick note and you just got it. 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.240 But yes, when he popped on the screen. After Lily 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.160 gets out of the car and Malibu, she stops at 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.560 a pay phone because obviously there's not cell phones then, 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:41.640 which is also again so like fun to watch because 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.360 you can't just text, you can't just go on, you 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:44.960 know what I mean, Like she could pull over, like 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.640 put change into the pay phone, like you know, probably 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:52.120 look up the number in her date book. Especially. I 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.040 was thinking about this too that like for us watching 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.240 it now, it's like the original Gossip or like modern 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.360 day I mean the one with Blair and Serena in 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.360 that world old were for us as viewers now those 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.320 phones and the technology has already dated, and then here 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.559 you have, you know, another level of different. So we're like, yeah, 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.560 three jumps away from this world of connectivity that we 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.720 have now. So it's fun to see that. It is 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.960 like my sister who's twenty years old, doesn't understand that, 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.200 like there wasn't navigation at one point. I mean, she 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.200 understands it, but like she doesn't know a world in 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:25.840 that so she's like, well, what how did you get 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:29.360 to places? Or so like you had to like literally 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.000 right down and be like, okay, I gotta take exit 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.080 seven B and take the second right. Sometimes you wouldn't 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.240 know the street names, so you literally had to print 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.240 out the actually from map quest. They had that. Yeah, 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.640 but but I mean in the eighties, I don't in 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:49.440 the actual map and or an atlas or you know 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:59.200 roads that they would say very stressful. Yeah, we yeah, 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:00.960 see a little bit of which is fun, I think 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:02.840 when I mean, it has to be so fun as 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.640 you're creating a show too, uh evelve into all those 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.160 details in the world build you know, for the eighties, 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.560 and I think they've definitely had a fun time, for sure. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.160 I'm sure they did. But you know what, I also 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:17.200 think it's probably a bit of a challenge nowadays. You 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.960 can't really have a scene in a show or in 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:24.440 a movie that's you know, present day without a cell phone. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.280 But that also it's got to be challenging because of 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:29.200 like conflicts that you need in a script or in 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.160 a story, or the problems or the lessons that you're 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.600 learning in these storylines and things like that. Because it's 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:36.440 so easy to just send a text or call. So 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:37.600 I feel like it's got to be a bit of 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:41.120 a challenge to like navigate why you don't just pick 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.320 up the phone when you're in a you know, in 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.560 a situation, you know what I mean, Like like Serena 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.080 and Jail, she couldn't just pick up the phone or 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:48.840 she wasn't getting dance text because she didn't have it. 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.840 That worked in that scene. But the majority of the time, 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.280 everyone has a phone in their pocket in their hand. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.080 Oh yeah, it's a very different different thing than movies 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.760 in the eighties and nineties because or any time before, 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.640 because you you you would literally have to show up 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.520 or I don't know, I would think as a writer 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.080 that would be right. I mean I was. I was 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:12.760 in graduate school, um in the you know, mid mid auts, 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.040 I guess, and I went for three months to Moscow 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.560 to the Moscow Art Theater. We studied there. It was 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.760 like part of my grad program in America. And when 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.080 we went there, we didn't have you know, even though 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.160 we had cell phones back then, and I mean they 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.080 weren't as cool as they were today. But when we 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.560 went to the other you know, overseas, we couldn't use 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.560 them at all because it was before you know, smartphones 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.840 and all that. So I remember for three months living 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.400 in a flashback world to like the eighties and nineties 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:43.280 where you actually had to make plans show up. If 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.600 you didn't, people were concerned or they felt, you know, 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.520 stood up. But you couldn't even be late. That was 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:49.680 anything you couldn't say, like, hey, running ten minutes late, 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.480 because you know, you'd like hope that a person is 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.200 still sitting there, you know. So it was it's such 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:56.880 a different kind of accountability, like human to human. I 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.000 think that's one of the things you know that's so 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.560 different too. So yeah, I think we flashed back in time. 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:06.800 We have to. Even relationships are different because of communicate different. Yeah, 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.159 I kind of in a way wish it was a 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.000 little bit still like that in the sense of like, hey, 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:13.360 I meet you here, and I'm doing that no matter 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:14.960 what it is, whether you know what I mean, Like 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:16.960 nothing that way though. Not even to sit down and 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:18.800 watch your show anymore, any show that you watch, you 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.159 can you can wait three weeks, you can wait for 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:22.639 the whole season at count and then watch it like 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:24.000 you used to have to sit down on a Monday 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.879 night at seven o'clock and watch Gossip Girl Fell on 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:28.760 a Thursday or whatever it was, you know what I mean. 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.760 Also nothing, I mean speaking of watching TV, like when 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.920 I'm watching these episodes, you know, because we're going to 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.360 talk about them, and you know, I'm really paying attention. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.400 And it makes me realize that I so rarely watch 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.920 television without my phone in my hand. So even shows 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:45.119 I love, I find myself just like scrolling and social 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:51.760 media and like, yeah, recently I've taken up TikTok from everything. 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.840 I don't always it's so weird because like I'm kind 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.719 of a grandma with stuff, and you know, so it's 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.560 it's tick. Talk thing is such a thing, and I 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.680 haven't dove into it, and I don't know that I 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.760 will or ken because I just I'm like, it's just 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:07.760 another thing, but so many people love it. Just tell 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.879 me what freaks me out? I mean, for me, the 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:11.760 thing wasn't I didn't really understand how it worked, and 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.520 so then I kind of I logged in and took 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.280 a look, and then I realized, you know, you kind 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.440 of just start the scroll and because you don't have 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.800 to follow people or have friends, or you don't have 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.560 to make any choices before you start scrolling. Um, it 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.480 kind of just like feeds you. So then it starts 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.640 to learn about you, I guess because like whatever you're 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.760 paying more attention to, it starts sending you more of that. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.400 So it's a real I mean, it's kind of dangerous 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.159 because like the first time I looked at I was like, oh, 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.240 I don't get it. By the second time, I was 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.600 like two hours later, I'm like watching like hours of 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:49.440 like croc pot videos. But it's like and also the 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.720 things things I like now, I mean it's sending me 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:55.480 all these you know, animal rescues and and then you know, 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.280 weird like one pot recipes. I'm like, oh, this is 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.119 so I'm starting to get it. I'm like, oh, this 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.720 is what TikTok, this is who TikTok thinks I am, 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:04.800 which is kind of a funny. It's like a funny 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.359 mirror to your own personality. But I have yet to 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.200 venture into actually making any of my own content or videos, 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.560 which is slightly overwhelming. So I'm gonna try it. We're 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.679 gonna promising here and now to try I'm gonna make 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.960 Mike al TikTok video. I'll let you know, and I 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.240 want to know all the things. Let me ask you this. 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.240 So now we're jumping back from the eighties, from the 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:28.840 rewatch to the Gossip Girl we were on what are 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:30.600 we calling it that the original? Is that what we 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:35.400