Speaker 1: On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: when inum, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best
Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Do Cast. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the beck Do Cast. Wow, San Francisco, how are you there?
Speaker 1: Are there there? It's a light excitement. Yeah, thanks for coming.
Speaker 1: My name is Caitlin Darante. Oh jeez, my name is
Speaker 1: Jimmy Loftus. Thank you, and yeah, we're this is our
Speaker 1: second year at us off sketch fust. We're very happy
Speaker 1: to be here. Indeed, um, I don't do you have
Speaker 1: what do you have any San Francisco thoughts? I was
Speaker 1: like them, Well, we spent a lot of time figuring
Speaker 1: out what movie to do. We're like, jeez, what could
Speaker 1: we do well? But in all serious is last year
Speaker 1: we were like not thinking about location. So we did
Speaker 1: like a movie that took place and we did The
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club last year, which takes place in Chicago, where
Speaker 1: it was anyone, Oh, that's a good question. Was anyone
Speaker 1: here at our show last year? Yes? Oh the rest
Speaker 1: of you are fucking fake. That was a test and
Speaker 1: you failed. But yeah, so so this year we chose
Speaker 1: a movie that at least partially takes place nearby. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm very curious because I think that, um, it's possible
Speaker 1: that some people in the audience outweigh us in uh knowledge,
Speaker 1: for the context of this movie. Does anyone here work
Speaker 1: in tech or has worked in tech or been traumatize
Speaker 1: had your life traumatized by the tech industry? Just like,
Speaker 1: just cheer, just cheer. Okay, So everybody, Okay, more people
Speaker 1: did have listened to a Okay, I'm very excited to
Speaker 1: hear your insights. Um, I love I love a good
Speaker 1: tech dystopia story. Yes, they're not enough of them. I
Speaker 1: know I'm not local to them. I want to know
Speaker 1: you know. Uh so, is anyone here new to the show?
Speaker 1: Has anyone not listened to the show before? Don't be
Speaker 1: anyone second? Row, We're gonna come into the audience like cats.
Speaker 1: Oh I wish we were talking about cats. Why don't
Speaker 1: you your discussion to have? Um? Okay, great, Well, this
Speaker 1: is a feminist movie podcast where we use the Bechdel
Speaker 1: test sometimes called the Beckdel Wallace test, to start a
Speaker 1: discussion about how women are portrayed in famous movies. What's
Speaker 1: the Beckdel test, I'd love to tell you thank you.
Speaker 1: It is sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace test. I said
Speaker 1: that did ship. Thank you for listening to me. Jesus,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. It's okay. So that works. I just
Speaker 1: said Jesus. It doesn't pass. Oh no, but what if
Speaker 1: Jesus is a woman? It's an ariana grande also comma Jesus. Anyway,
Speaker 1: The Becktel test, if You're not familiar, requires that two
Speaker 1: female identifying characters in a movie talk to each other
Speaker 1: about something other than a man, and by our standards,
Speaker 1: it just has to be a two line exchange of dialogue.
Speaker 1: Do movies pass it? Not often. I have an example
Speaker 1: of something that I hope passes. Hey Jamie, Hey, Caitlin,
Speaker 1: let the hacking begin. Oh that still gets a bodily risk,
Speaker 1: a full body response from me. And I don't even
Speaker 1: like I feel nothing for Mark Zuckerberg or Jesse Eisenberg.
Speaker 1: But when, but when he says, let the hacking begin,
Speaker 1: because you're like you, but like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: Why do I feel that way? He's getting ready to
Speaker 1: like put sexist things on the Internet, and I'm still like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's bad. We're all flawed. We're all growing. It's fine. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're doing the social network. By the way, we're doing
Speaker 1: the social network. Oh yeah, and uh clap if you
Speaker 1: have seen this movie. Okay, and has anybody not seen
Speaker 1: this movie? First ahead, I love there's so much boldness
Speaker 1: going on in San Francisco. Uh, well, we're going to
Speaker 1: ruin it for you. And yeah there is. I think
Speaker 1: that's all the orders of business that we do attend to.
Speaker 1: Business is over, yes, and now let the fun begin.
Speaker 1: We have a guest. We have a guest, a returning man.
Speaker 1: Let's get this out of the way. The person about
Speaker 1: to come on stage is a man. He is a man,
Speaker 1: and for that we're like, we know, we're aware. But
Speaker 1: he's one of the few men that were allowed to
Speaker 1: continue to allow to come back because he's a he's
Speaker 1: a good um. He's one of the goods. I think
Speaker 1: it's on a list of three or four. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But he's a writer. He's a comedian. You know him
Speaker 1: from past episodes of ours, including Star Wars, The Force
Speaker 1: Awakens and Paddington It's dummy, did you eBay hi hi hi,
Speaker 1: Thank you for apologizing for men advance of me coming
Speaker 1: out cause I was going to be all right, well,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Women. Women be apologizing all the time,
Speaker 1: so you can say it. Yeah, um, DEMI, can you
Speaker 1: tell the audience what your shirt says? Because the way
Speaker 1: when you're wearing your sweater, the shirt is I'm going
Speaker 1: to take Yeah, I my shirt says Josie and the
Speaker 1: Pussycats is the best movie ever, which is just a truth. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize until leaving this morning that when I
Speaker 1: wear this coat it just looks like it says and
Speaker 1: the pussy is best movie. And of all the podcasts
Speaker 1: to be doing today, I don't want this that to
Speaker 1: be what I come on stage with as one of
Speaker 1: the three or four good men. I can't tarnish my
Speaker 1: repentation that quickly. Yeah, that reflects poorly on us as well.
Speaker 1: They thought one of the only good men more a
Speaker 1: shirt that said and the pussy I mean that sounds
Speaker 1: like a feminist movie. I think that's like Uncanny Valley feminism.
Speaker 1: That's like what a starting male feminist would say, like
Speaker 1: and the Pussy is the best movie? When do you
Speaker 1: think about it? The only movie I watch is ironically
Speaker 1: doesn't pass the back test. It doesn't know anyway, so
Speaker 1: the social network dummy. What is your history relationship with
Speaker 1: the movie? I this is one of my favorite movies ever.
Speaker 1: I think it is truly one of the finest films
Speaker 1: of the decade. I this movie is very special to
Speaker 1: me because I did not like watch movies a lot
Speaker 1: growing up my parents and like show me movies or anything.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't until like I went to college and
Speaker 1: was like, let's see what's out there that I like
Speaker 1: really like dug Into film. And I remember seeing this
Speaker 1: movie specifically was when I like because I remember everyone
Speaker 1: was like, oh, the Facebook movie. That's gonna be dumb,
Speaker 1: and I remember I went to see and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be all right, and I can't just
Speaker 1: be like oh shit, okay, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is what cinema is. But yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: a fantastic movie and I'm very excited to talk about it, Jamie.
Speaker 1: What's your history? I also really love this movie. In
Speaker 1: spite of it all, I think this movie came out
Speaker 1: like the second I got to college, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: And I remember that they were passing out a lot
Speaker 1: of merch because I went to college in Boston as well.
Speaker 1: So they were like, all right, we gotta be given
Speaker 1: out Social Network mouse pads to all the kids. That's
Speaker 1: what they want. So I I still somewhere have my
Speaker 1: Social Network mouse pad that says punk, Genius, trader, billionaire,
Speaker 1: the Social Network and it's just like grainy, high corontrast
Speaker 1: picture of Jesse Eisenberg that I really But my secret
Speaker 1: anecdote about The Social Network that I didn't tell you
Speaker 1: before the show is that when I was a freshman
Speaker 1: in college, there were two big movies coming out that
Speaker 1: had to do with Boston, and they let students choose
Speaker 1: which previous screening they wanted to go to, and it
Speaker 1: was The Social Network and The Town The Town, and
Speaker 1: I went to see the Town. I saw The Town
Speaker 1: for free at Fenway Park. It was very cool. John
Speaker 1: Hamm was there. You wore a hat? Really? Oh you
Speaker 1: sure did? Yeah? No, and that that's like if you've
Speaker 1: seen The Town, you're like, oh boy, this is the
Speaker 1: worst thing I've ever seen. Um. And then I saw
Speaker 1: The Social Network later and it's one of my favorite movies. Yeah, Caitly,
Speaker 1: what's your history of this movie? I also really liked
Speaker 1: this movie, although I feel differently about it than I
Speaker 1: used to feel. UM. Let me just give you a
Speaker 1: little bit of context for me, I was a freshman
Speaker 1: in college at the very moment that Facebook was taking off.
Speaker 1: So I went to Penn State University for my undergrad
Speaker 1: boo um, because I can't wait to talk about my
Speaker 1: master's degree tonight. But I was at Penn State in
Speaker 1: fall of two thousand four when they were like, we're
Speaker 1: adding in more colleges. I remember when it used to
Speaker 1: be the Facebook dot com. I remember when it suddenly switched.
Speaker 1: I signed up from my account in October two thousand four.
Speaker 1: I was like in it. So when all the events
Speaker 1: of the movie are unfolding, I was like, it's like
Speaker 1: I was there UM. And then when I lived in Boston,
Speaker 1: I lived a two minute walk from the Thirsty Scholar,
Speaker 1: which is the bar that the first scene of the
Speaker 1: movie takes place in UM, and then I would go
Speaker 1: there after that movie came out and they had changed
Speaker 1: all the menu items to like the social network burger
Speaker 1: and it's like okay, And then of course I went
Speaker 1: to UM. I don't like to bring this up, but
Speaker 1: I did go to Boston University and get a master's
Speaker 1: degree in screenwriting, and there's high thank you so much.
Speaker 1: There's high be you visibility in this movie because all
Speaker 1: be you girls or bitches, and I didn't have to
Speaker 1: study because I went to be you and that's what
Speaker 1: you learned about. But he was actually right toxic masculine
Speaker 1: and he wins again. I had. I've been to the
Speaker 1: Thursday Scholar a couple of times and there was definitely
Speaker 1: a Mark Zuckerberg referencing Martini on the menu. It wasn't
Speaker 1: called the zuck teeny, but what if it was? Wait,
Speaker 1: is it called the Mark teeny? It was called them?
Speaker 1: A Mark teeny would be way better that Now. I
Speaker 1: just want to think of all the drinks that could
Speaker 1: be named after market the most boring man to ever live? Sure, Oh,
Speaker 1: why wasn't it the Zuckerburger the social social network for
Speaker 1: god missed opportunity? I mean, I think you could get
Speaker 1: David Finch Fries. Okay, you guys do the podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do feel like more coming. I do think like
Speaker 1: the greatest trick this movie plays have the many things
Speaker 1: that it does, is it does managed to make Mark
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg look like an interesting person who has emoted or
Speaker 1: felt a thing. I was gonna say, because when I
Speaker 1: saw your shirt backstage, I was reminded of my image
Speaker 1: of Mark zucker wearing and I was like, this movie
Speaker 1: makes him look very smart, like everything we've seen to him. Since,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you're not as You're not as much
Speaker 1: of a like quote unquote genius as this movie wants
Speaker 1: you to be. Right, he was not a punk, nor
Speaker 1: a genius nor a profit Oh it said profit too,
Speaker 1: profit of what like? There of what like causing wars
Speaker 1: that he causes? Like what is he? Okay, a lot
Speaker 1: of zuckheads and the Jesus this is this is a
Speaker 1: Facebook sponsored event. We're learning Mark Zuckerberg is here. No,
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg literally caused a genocide. But go off, audience,
Speaker 1: kins my shirt. This is an actual aim message that
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg sent back in the day, and it says
Speaker 1: you can be unethical and still be lead gold. That's
Speaker 1: the way I live my life. Ha ha. So he
Speaker 1: does have a personality. It's chaotic evil. Should we should
Speaker 1: we recap the movie? Let's do it well real quick.
Speaker 1: I just hopefully did you come up with some zucker beer.
Speaker 1: It's not no, Yeah, you're right, it's not a is
Speaker 1: verbally appraising thirty minutes from now. Yeah, yeah, keep keep
Speaker 1: keep thinking about it. Okay, So the story of the
Speaker 1: social network, we meet Mark Zuckerberg. That's Jesse Eisenberg. Of course,
Speaker 1: he's a student at Harvard studying computer stuff. Did they
Speaker 1: say what is his could you I feel like in
Speaker 1: two four you can major in computers? Yeah? Is it? Like? Like,
Speaker 1: is he a programmer? Is he a software engineer? Is
Speaker 1: he does he write code? What? Typing? Who knows? He's
Speaker 1: just drinking easy so he's doing that and then um,
Speaker 1: the movie opens on a date that he is on
Speaker 1: with his girlfriend at the time, Erica Albright, played by
Speaker 1: Rooney Mara, and he is a condescending asshole to her,
Speaker 1: so she breaks up with him, and that night he
Speaker 1: takes his frustration to live journal, and he's like, although,
Speaker 1: I mean, has anyone here ever taken their frustration to
Speaker 1: live journal before? Like those of us that were there
Speaker 1: for live journal, that's where we were taking our frustration.
Speaker 1: Give him some slack. What I was saying is Mark
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg innocence. Also, his live journal is called zuck on It,
Speaker 1: which is true. That was the name of it. All
Speaker 1: of the blog posts and the name of the blog
Speaker 1: are tragically factually accurate. Everything where he sounds like a
Speaker 1: dumb asshole is accurate. Everything where he sounds like a
Speaker 1: smug Aron Sorkin character is a smug Aaron Sorkin mind.
Speaker 1: And when you rewatch the movie, it's pretty easy to
Speaker 1: figure out which is which. Like Mark Zuckerberg never said
Speaker 1: you have the minimum of my attention, you have the
Speaker 1: minimum amount like that was that's that's a West Wing line,
Speaker 1: and then when he said zuck on it, Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: said that, like anyway, So he calls Erica Albright a
Speaker 1: bit and then he's like, but I need something to
Speaker 1: take my mind off her. And then he says his
Speaker 1: fingers at the hacking begin We're like, wow, and I
Speaker 1: wanted them to put his clammy hands near me. Gross,
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg. I mean, he just looks like he needs
Speaker 1: to be toweled off, you know, he just looks like
Speaker 1: a light. A light sheens on him at all time. Gross.
Speaker 1: So he hacks into several Harvard like dorm houses or
Speaker 1: however that works. I don't even know, and there's like, sid,
Speaker 1: what's that? They explain it step by step in the film.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Recited. I mean like Harvard houses. Is
Speaker 1: that like a Harry Potter house or is that just
Speaker 1: like the name of a dorm building. I think it's
Speaker 1: just like the dorm building. Okay, did anyone here go
Speaker 1: to Harvard? At least one person does. We've been in it.
Speaker 1: That's our girl. Yeah, she has to go back to Harvard.
Speaker 1: And mean, feel free to bully her on the way out. Whatever,
Speaker 1: ye don't bully her. So the Harvard houses have these
Speaker 1: like student databases that have like students pictures on them,
Speaker 1: So he hacks into all of those and um creates
Speaker 1: facemash dot com where people can compare two side by
Speaker 1: side photos of women and decide who is hotter. Because
Speaker 1: he is a feminist and well, that's yeah, visibility of
Speaker 1: women right right. He's like, we need to give these
Speaker 1: women a platform. Those two photos next to each other.
Speaker 1: Of the women that passes the Pectel test, yes, um,
Speaker 1: because we know what their names are, which is a
Speaker 1: breach of data. So the list currently is me and
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg, who are the other two? Oh, the Winkle bosses,
Speaker 1: of course. And then his friend Eduardo Savern played by
Speaker 1: Andrew Garfield comes in and helps with the algorithm. So
Speaker 1: then they send facemash dot com to a few people,
Speaker 1: and they send it to some people, and they send
Speaker 1: it to some people to the extent where it gets
Speaker 1: so popular in these but it goes viral in one
Speaker 1: night and it crashes Harvard's network. Then we cut to
Speaker 1: a few years later, because the movie cuts back and
Speaker 1: forth between hearings that Mark Zuckerberg is in because many
Speaker 1: people are suing him. Yeah, I think that that's supposed
Speaker 1: to be taking place in like I think two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, seven or eight whens are happening. Got it.
Speaker 1: We see him back at Harvard. We meet Tyler and
Speaker 1: Cameron Winkle boss. They We discussed this earlier today with
Speaker 1: some people who are in the audience. But obviously both
Speaker 1: win comps Twins should have been played by Alpha Molina,
Speaker 1: very clear he would have killed it absolutely. Instead, they're
Speaker 1: played by Army Hammer. Well, Army Hammer and some other
Speaker 1: guy who then they deleted his face from the movie
Speaker 1: and controls the control vied Army Hammer's face. That's a
Speaker 1: true fact. Do not forget whoever that guy was. Josh Pence,
Speaker 1: Josh Mike Pence's nephew, babe. We also meet the Winklevoss
Speaker 1: is associate Divian Norrendra played by Max Ming mcguel aka
Speaker 1: that guy from The Handmaid's Tale. Yes, Divia Nerrendra is
Speaker 1: Indian and Max is not. Whoopsies he yeah, Edward O.
Speaker 1: Saver is Brazilian and Andrew Garfield is not. Okay, Um okay,
Speaker 1: I think we that that's really the issue. Maybe if
Speaker 1: Andrew Garfield were less of a chameleon. Ah, he's British.
Speaker 1: I always forget that. Who cares? So these guys hear
Speaker 1: about Zuckey's little facemash things as they call it in
Speaker 1: the movie, and they want him to do the programming
Speaker 1: for something. They came up with, Harvard Connection, which is
Speaker 1: a dating an elitist dating website for Harvard students because quote,
Speaker 1: women want to get with guys who go to Harvard. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: so Megan, I have a question, she um do Is
Speaker 1: that actually true? Okay? Wait, okay, we're gonna repeat that.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I okay. So it was always be be
Speaker 1: you girls to bed Wellesley girls to wed Harvard girls
Speaker 1: to talk to. That's not even clever or does it was?
Speaker 1: Okay Harvard girls for their heads. The problem there is
Speaker 1: it just sounds like Harvard Girls for head. Well maybe
Speaker 1: it was work shopped in the brilliant what is their
Speaker 1: shitty comedy magazine, sorry, the Lampoon. They were yeah, they're
Speaker 1: a board of the Rings. I'm like, oh, I'm bold
Speaker 1: over by this comedic brilliance. Jeez. Okay, So the Winkle
Speaker 1: bosses are like, yeah, program Harvard connection for us, please,
Speaker 1: and Zuckerberg agrees to help them. But there I has
Speaker 1: inspired him slash he stole it. Who knows what really
Speaker 1: happened to create another website and he pitches it as
Speaker 1: a business proposition to Eduardo and you'll never guess what
Speaker 1: it's called, the Facebook dot com. Eduardo fronts a thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in starter cash, and then they get to work
Speaker 1: on writing the software. Is that coding? They go on
Speaker 1: squares based dot com and and that's when the real
Speaker 1: work begins, which brings us to our advertiser. I'm getting
Speaker 1: squares face. UM, we would love your money, please sponsor us. UM. So,
Speaker 1: while this is happening, Eduardo has gotten punched by the Phoenix,
Speaker 1: this exclusive final club. And to all of you not
Speaker 1: ivy leaguers out there, I also don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a fancy frat club. I think,
Speaker 1: so crimes one day? Is that what the movie Skulls
Speaker 1: is about? The skulls? Okay, great, God, we cleared that up.
Speaker 1: So he's gotten punched by the phoenix, and Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: is very jealous of this, and that plays apart through
Speaker 1: the rest of the movie. And then Zuckerberg is also
Speaker 1: like dodging all the winklebosses attempts to like talk to him,
Speaker 1: dodged in the Winkies. Yeah, they're coming at him. Where
Speaker 1: their paddles, right, He's just dodging them. I wish they
Speaker 1: had swung the paddle. There should have just been one
Speaker 1: scene where they see him across the quad. Men's a
Speaker 1: ten minute chasing and he's like things that chasing that
Speaker 1: they describe, and like, why didn't they think? I just
Speaker 1: want one scene of like him standing next to the
Speaker 1: Harvard Statue, like pretending to be a statue, and it's like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, he turns back and then like an
Speaker 1: army hammers like Jay get the Benny Hill music in there,
Speaker 1: a real dark version from Trent Resider of course. Of course,
Speaker 1: then he's almost done with the Facebook dot com and
Speaker 1: ready to launch, and then his friend Dustin Moscovitz a k.
Speaker 1: Timmy from Jurassic Park, is like, Hey, there's this girl
Speaker 1: in when your classes. Do you know if she's single?
Speaker 1: Do you know if she's interested in dating anyone? And
Speaker 1: then Mark Zuckerberg is like, that's what Facebook is going
Speaker 1: to be like, and I love it's complicated. Did anyone
Speaker 1: ever list their status? Is it's complicated on Facebook before?
Speaker 1: Because that is like the ballsiest thing anyone could do.
Speaker 1: I did, and so did I. Here's no, here's the thing,
Speaker 1: here's the thing when I did it because I was
Speaker 1: very single and wanted to seem so much more interesting
Speaker 1: than it was. Like, well, it's complicated, you'll just have
Speaker 1: to ask me to find out. And everyone's like, we
Speaker 1: don't give a ship. I can't very close ones in
Speaker 1: high school to setting my stats to it's complicated, and
Speaker 1: you can set it to it's complicated with you can
Speaker 1: do like people in my high school would be like, okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm technically single, but it's complicated with Joey, like
Speaker 1: you could give so much information about the status of
Speaker 1: your heart. I miss it. I mean, it's hard to
Speaker 1: figure out what people are where people are at now,
Speaker 1: and now we just gotta tweet at all. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: you just gotta do horny tweets and see what happens
Speaker 1: disaster and shout out to my boyfriend and who's here.
Speaker 1: Then the site goes live and several Harvard students sign
Speaker 1: up for it right away, and then the winkle Fosses
Speaker 1: find out about it and they're like, he's still the idea.
Speaker 1: More and more people are signing up. Eduardo wants to
Speaker 1: site to start generating revenue, and then Zuckerberg is like, no,
Speaker 1: Facebook is cool all Mark zucker It cares about his cool,
Speaker 1: but I do think it's funny that like Eduardo wants
Speaker 1: to be like pop up at like that that would
Speaker 1: have been a bad idea. And then they meete a
Speaker 1: couple of women, Christie and Alice, who think Mark and
Speaker 1: EDWARDO are so cool and they cannot wait to suck
Speaker 1: their dicks, and then Harvard to head right right, yea,
Speaker 1: as things should go. Then Mark runs into his ex
Speaker 1: girlfriend Erica at a bar and he's like hey, and
Speaker 1: she's like fuck you, and then either like to retaliate
Speaker 1: or to impress her or something, he's like, we have
Speaker 1: to expand to ye in Colombia and Stanford every time
Speaker 1: a woman rejects him. In this movie, Mark Zuckerberg's like
Speaker 1: Facebook needs to be bigger, Like he just pull off
Speaker 1: the rails. He bought Instagram because someone called him Mark right. Yeah. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: I just I'm like, the peak of that scene is
Speaker 1: when she says good luck with your video game, which
Speaker 1: is like the best line ever. It's it's the coldness reverberates.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yes, I love the Erica character. I
Speaker 1: don't care how realistic. It was based on a person
Speaker 1: who zuck On it references, but they changed the name
Speaker 1: and then they make up some of the interactions. But
Speaker 1: like she I just love her character so much. She's
Speaker 1: the only person in the movie who's ever correct. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's good. Meanwhile, we meet Sean Parker, the founder of Napster,
Speaker 1: played by Justin Timberlake, Which what are they saying? They're
Speaker 1: like Justin Timberly in the movies like funk the music industry,
Speaker 1: it's broken. It's like, what are you saying? Justin? Justin
Speaker 1: Timberly is so confusing as an actor because you're like
Speaker 1: sometimes he's good, but like he's like he's not a
Speaker 1: good actor, but he he keeps getting me of the
Speaker 1: way to thinking he might be a good actor. He
Speaker 1: has an incredible agent. He dies, but then he also like,
Speaker 1: wasn't Yogi Bear Riley and the Trolls movies? He's good
Speaker 1: in the trolle for him one for the studios, he's good,
Speaker 1: but he's yeah, yeah, he's like, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: liked him and wish upon a star. That's a good
Speaker 1: d com. Okay, he wasn't model behavior. Yeah, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: an okay actor. He's better than Joey Fatone. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: then so Sean Parker discovers Facebook and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's this cool thing? And then then he ses that
Speaker 1: line where he's like, all I need to do is
Speaker 1: find you. You're like oh. And then Mark and Eduardo
Speaker 1: and Sean Parker have a meeting together, and at Sean's suggestion,
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg rent a house in Paulo, Alto for the summer,
Speaker 1: and he hired some interns. The whole thing keeps expanding.
Speaker 1: Eduardo was off in New York City trying to find advertisers,
Speaker 1: but things with Eduardo and Mark are getting more and
Speaker 1: more tense, and freezes the account. Yeah, He's like, you
Speaker 1: could have jeopardized Facebook, and then Edward was like, I know,
Speaker 1: he's just trying to get your attending. There's such babies,
Speaker 1: It's so funny. They're just crying about Facebook all day.
Speaker 1: Peter Teal makes a big investment in Facebook. Peter Teel,
Speaker 1: who famously believes that drinking blood of young people will
Speaker 1: make you live longer. Just one more scene that I
Speaker 1: want to added to this movie. Oh, I would love
Speaker 1: a little Peter Tell offering Mark Zuckerberg a shot of
Speaker 1: his nephew's blood. That should have been the role that
Speaker 1: Timberlake played. Yeah. So there's now like money and office
Speaker 1: space associated with Facebook, and Facebook now has almost a
Speaker 1: million members. And Eduardo is called to the office so
Speaker 1: that they can inform him that his shares, which he
Speaker 1: originally owned thirty four percent of, had been diluted down
Speaker 1: to point zero three percent, And all the people in
Speaker 1: the crowd are like, oh my god. I've seen this
Speaker 1: movie upwards of fifteen times, and today was the first
Speaker 1: time where I understood what happened there, because I was like,
Speaker 1: what diluted? And then they were I saw the part
Speaker 1: where it's like they add more investors, Like, oh, because
Speaker 1: we had more of the percentage. Okay, they I mean
Speaker 1: it is kind of funny, like Eduardo is made out
Speaker 1: to be I think by far the most sympathetic character
Speaker 1: in the movie. But ultimately Edwardo sever and I have
Speaker 1: some fun information about what he has since done, which
Speaker 1: is played the country and evaded seven hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: in taxes. But but he at the time, it's like
Speaker 1: he truly did, Like, I mean, he lost six months
Speaker 1: of his life in a thousand dollars and we're like
Speaker 1: crying for him this very He also now has five
Speaker 1: percent of Facebook and is like a jillionaire. So he's fine,
Speaker 1: He's doing fine. He's fine. He lives in Singapore now
Speaker 1: and he likes it. I'm so glad to hear that.
Speaker 1: But Edwardo in the movie is like, I'm suing your ass.
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg pends all the flash forwards where we see all
Speaker 1: of those hearings, and then the movie ends with Mark
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg requesting Erica Albright as a friend on his own website,
Speaker 1: just after Rashida Jones absolves him of any guilt associated
Speaker 1: with She's like, you're not actually an asshole, Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker 1: By you're like, but what about the whole movie? Uh,
Speaker 1: and then there's all the title cards that it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, Zuckerberg had to pay millions of dollars to
Speaker 1: the Winkies. The Winkies never got their paddles back, and
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the movie's movie. Yeah, where where
Speaker 1: should we start? Well with the discussion of this, do
Speaker 1: you do you have a context corner? Do you want
Speaker 1: to start with? There's so much context for this movie
Speaker 1: that I think that probably people in the audience also have.
Speaker 1: So if there's anything that I say during the context
Speaker 1: that you have more info on, feel free to raise
Speaker 1: your hand. We'd love to hear if anyone has any
Speaker 1: dark secrets. Um, this is the place where we're going
Speaker 1: to get them. So there's really not that much to
Speaker 1: say about the production of the movie other than like
Speaker 1: other actors considered blah blah blah. But this is directed
Speaker 1: by David Fincher, written by Aaron Sorkin, And you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: to annoying male personalities like consistently turn out good work.
Speaker 1: This could go so many ways. Um, it turns out
Speaker 1: well in this case. But most of I mean most
Speaker 1: of the context for this just involves like what actually
Speaker 1: happened and what didn't and in the most funny instances,
Speaker 1: how people portrayed in this movie ended up reacting. Um, So,
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg, you're not gonna believe this does not like
Speaker 1: this movie very much. He doesn't like it. He Aaron
Speaker 1: Sarkin interviewed a lot of people for this movie, and um,
Speaker 1: a lot of people interviewed with him on the agreement
Speaker 1: of anonymity. So a lot of the stuff that people
Speaker 1: can't verify happening in the movie, it's very possible it
Speaker 1: did happen, but he can't. He has to like Watergate
Speaker 1: it or whatever. He can't give away his sources. He's
Speaker 1: a real woodword about it. Um. I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff is true, Like the Winkle Boss stuff is
Speaker 1: almost universally true. They actually did throw the Harvard rule
Speaker 1: book to try to, you know, take a billion dollar
Speaker 1: company away from Mark Zuckerberg because they're stupid and it's funny. Um,
Speaker 1: the Winklevoss is now today. They are you know, their
Speaker 1: ass cracked deep in bitcoin. They love bitcoins so much
Speaker 1: they have a billion dollars in bitcoin. My favorite fact
Speaker 1: about the Winkies is and they call him the Winkle
Speaker 1: vis I'm like the Winkies anyways, I'm a fan of
Speaker 1: Winkle vs. Wink vs. The Twins launched wink Decks, which,
Speaker 1: oh no, we have some wink Ducks investors over there.
Speaker 1: They're they're they're like, I we we don't talk about it. Um.
Speaker 1: It was literally it was just like some metric that
Speaker 1: traced the current cost of bitcoin and the financial like
Speaker 1: the the US Financial Commission Department. Whenever the funk found
Speaker 1: out about it and they're like, oh what is this?
Speaker 1: Then they shut it down. Uh so they're billionaires, but
Speaker 1: they shut down wink Decks. So good. They are the
Speaker 1: example of failing upwards repeatedly. Yes, I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: who because they came from a ton of money, they
Speaker 1: funked up a lot. They placed sixth in the Olympics.
Speaker 1: They were so I mean we everyone on stage here
Speaker 1: has placed much higher in the Olympics. Second shot put. Uh, Eduardo,
Speaker 1: I mean we've already referenced. The main thing with EDWARDO
Speaker 1: is that he is Brazilian born and is portrayed by
Speaker 1: a white actor. Um, which we'll we'll talk about in
Speaker 1: a bit, Uh Edward. I mean, but but we shouldn't
Speaker 1: be crying for Edwardo because he has UM. I'll just
Speaker 1: read the official source. UM. He renounced his US citizenship
Speaker 1: in September and therefore avoided and estimated seven million dollars
Speaker 1: in capital gains taxes. He has UM. He says that
Speaker 1: the this is just because he really likes Singapore, and
Speaker 1: he denies he left the US to avoid paying seven
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. He's just like, Singapore is dope, you guys.
Speaker 1: And so no one has been seeing much of him
Speaker 1: lately because he lives in Singapore. I also every tech person,
Speaker 1: and I know it's like probably maybe normal for people here,
Speaker 1: but anytime you read, like, first of all, any time
Speaker 1: you read a rich person's controversy section, it's so funny. Um,
Speaker 1: because with Eduardo Saffron, it's like, like controversy with Jumio,
Speaker 1: and you're like, what, that's a company that existed, controversy
Speaker 1: with Quickie. You're like, so he was involved with and
Speaker 1: then later had fallings out with both Quickie and Jumio. Um.
Speaker 1: What else? Most of the characters in this movie are real. Uh.
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg doesn't like the portrayal of him in this movie,
Speaker 1: which I mean, I guess I get that. But some
Speaker 1: things that reasons you shouldn't feel bad for Mark Zuckerberg include, uh,
Speaker 1: he's his star. I mean, he's been selling your data
Speaker 1: to the government for a long time. He was helping
Speaker 1: spread war propaganda in a number of countries. He caused
Speaker 1: a genocide in me and mar by doing so, he
Speaker 1: Mick fucked our election, which is why we're all here,
Speaker 1: you know, like there's no no one should at But
Speaker 1: but he went to a Costco last month, so he
Speaker 1: was just like us. He's really the stars are just
Speaker 1: like us. I really do, genuinely believe that Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: and a woman who was completely erased from this movie,
Speaker 1: his wife, his wife Priscilla. I think that they went
Speaker 1: to a Costco and called the paparazzi on themselves, so
Speaker 1: the paparazzi would see them looking at TVs at Costco
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, we forgive them, Like what were they?
Speaker 1: If I saw a photo of them at Costco, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, why is Mark Zuckerberg gonna buy Costco? Right?
Speaker 1: Like I don't. There's no part of me that thinks
Speaker 1: that man goes out like shot by anything Costco. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So so Mark Zuckerberg has described the movie as quote
Speaker 1: kind of hurtful unquote. The credits always like and and
Speaker 1: this doesn't reflect on our discussion, but as far as
Speaker 1: I know, it does seem like the movie takes a
Speaker 1: lot of liberties in terms of giving Mark Zuckerberg first
Speaker 1: a personality that's discernible at all. Um. But also it
Speaker 1: seems it seems like, based on interviews and just more
Speaker 1: research done about him, there's a lot written by people
Speaker 1: who have interviewed him at length that he is a
Speaker 1: very boring person who is not even socially adept enough
Speaker 1: to say most of the things that are said in
Speaker 1: the movie. So, which is like, imagine not being smart
Speaker 1: enough to say the worst errand stork in line. Ever. Um,
Speaker 1: I could I could buy the I could buy the
Speaker 1: I could buy the club. I could buy the Phoenix Club,
Speaker 1: and I could I could turn it into my and
Speaker 1: then and then yeah, that this is Mark Zuckerberg will
Speaker 1: like you uh you you you have all of my attention,
Speaker 1: like he's a boring man. My favorite anecdote that I've
Speaker 1: come across by someone who did work in the tech
Speaker 1: industry whose identity I will obscure is this is what
Speaker 1: it's like to work around Mark Zuckerberg when he's trying
Speaker 1: to talk to women. Okay, so when Cheryl Sandberg started
Speaker 1: working at Facebook as the CEO, and she's of course
Speaker 1: a feminist icon just kidding, google her. She's the scariest
Speaker 1: person alive. Um. But Mark loves her, and so he
Speaker 1: has taken around the office say hey, this is your
Speaker 1: new boss. And he introduced her to I guess a
Speaker 1: group of female employees and said something akin to Hi,
Speaker 1: this is Cheryl Samberg. She is your new boss. She
Speaker 1: is so smart, she is so cool. Look at her hair.
Speaker 1: It's so pretty. You should all try to have hair
Speaker 1: like Cheryl's. By that was the whole. So that's like
Speaker 1: what Mark Zuckerberg is actually like. And I, for one,
Speaker 1: I'm glad they didn't commit that to film. I prefer
Speaker 1: the toxic, misogynist Mark Zuckerberg. Then look at her pretty hair.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a bad like a like a tagline
Speaker 1: pitch for Barbie, like on the Guys like First Days, Like,
Speaker 1: all right, she's smart, she's cool. You gotta have hair
Speaker 1: like her. That's all I got. Yeah, well I hope
Speaker 1: you buy it. Um oh and some of the um
Speaker 1: just like he did give out cards that said I'm
Speaker 1: CEO bitch, that's a true story. That is very true.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, most of the other context stuff I think
Speaker 1: will fit into our discussion there. Like UM, this movie
Speaker 1: was UM at the time of its release. I think
Speaker 1: one of the first movies we've covered that was called
Speaker 1: out for its sexism when it came out, Because this
Speaker 1: movie came out in so it was around the time
Speaker 1: that people were starting to realize women were around for
Speaker 1: the first about ten years ago it became visible, and
Speaker 1: so there was a lot of criticism of this movie
Speaker 1: of how I treated women at the time, to the
Speaker 1: point where it warranted a response from Aaron Sorkin. You know,
Speaker 1: he really does his best to to justify this. So
Speaker 1: here's what he had to say at the time. Quote
Speaker 1: Facebook was born during a night of incredible misogyny. The
Speaker 1: idea of comparing women to farm animals and then to
Speaker 1: each other based on their looks, and then publicly ranking them.
Speaker 1: It was a revenge stunt, aimed first at the woman
Speaker 1: who had mostly recently broke his heart, and then at
Speaker 1: the entire female population of Harvard more generally. I was
Speaker 1: writing about an angry and deeply misogynistic group of people.
Speaker 1: These aren't the cuddly nerds we made movies about in
Speaker 1: the eighties, what you know, the ones that were date
Speaker 1: raping women the continuing the quote, sorry he didn't say that,
Speaker 1: they're very angry that the cheerleader still wants to go
Speaker 1: out with a quarterback instead of the men parentheses always brave,
Speaker 1: who are running the universe right now. The women they
Speaker 1: surround themselves with aren't women who challenge them parentheses, and frankly,
Speaker 1: no woman who could challenge them would be interested in
Speaker 1: being anywhere near them close parentheses. He finishes these women,
Speaker 1: whether it's the girls who are happy to take their
Speaker 1: clothes off and dance for the boys or Eduardo's psycho girlfriend,
Speaker 1: are real, I mean really real, unquote so feminist icon
Speaker 1: Aaron sor Kim Uh, my thirty minute alarm just went off.
Speaker 1: It's a great time to say, Aaron, poor ribs. Now
Speaker 1: back to the quote. If you're like I loved it, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that really sort of removes his responsibility and
Speaker 1: how bad this movie depicts women, especially like just doubling
Speaker 1: down on the psycho thing, where it's like, what does
Speaker 1: it add to the story to make her the way
Speaker 1: that she is, Like, what does her portrayal add to this?
Speaker 1: What does having that one line where like the women
Speaker 1: are playing video games and like like we know what
Speaker 1: that is. It's like there's so many moments I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is this for? Exactly? Like I like, I I
Speaker 1: think his first point, which is that men who were
Speaker 1: in early Silicon Valley where misogynists. Yes, right, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that like that absolves him of responsibility to
Speaker 1: show any of those women outside of their like what
Speaker 1: he deems is their like narrative relevancy. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that he had to write women only as obstacles in
Speaker 1: the story, like obstacles or vehicles for exposition, that would
Speaker 1: then does like disappear forever? Or poor Rashida Jones who
Speaker 1: has to stomp and basically break the fourth wall at
Speaker 1: the end of the movie and be like Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: not a bad guy like her and her whole role
Speaker 1: in this movie is just going so wait and just
Speaker 1: like saying what we just saw. Also she just recaps
Speaker 1: the scene we just saw, makes it seem like he
Speaker 1: might be fusable, and then at the end it's like
Speaker 1: innocent and it's it's just so yeah, Aaron Sorkin, like,
Speaker 1: I mean whatever, we could talk about how Aaron Sorkin
Speaker 1: and David Fincher have depicted women all day long, but
Speaker 1: we simply don't have time. They're both you know, not
Speaker 1: feminist icones. They're and and on top of it, I mean,
Speaker 1: David Fincher is an asshole, but Aaron Sorkin is annoying.
Speaker 1: He thinks he's so smart, he's such a He had
Speaker 1: to sit at his computer and write, you know what's
Speaker 1: better than a million dollars and then he was like, like,
Speaker 1: he's about to come a billion. It took him a
Speaker 1: lot of takes too. He was like, all right, formula
Speaker 1: no no dead for a while. Oh God, I just
Speaker 1: like it's his writing is so obnoxious. But sometimes in
Speaker 1: this movie, I feel like it works a lot of
Speaker 1: the time because he's supposed to. Like sometimes with aaron's
Speaker 1: orkins writing, I feel like it's unclear of whether the
Speaker 1: character is supposed to sound like a pretentious asshole or
Speaker 1: if it's just something aeron's Orkin wrote down. But on
Speaker 1: this movie, for the most of the part, for the
Speaker 1: most part, it fits. Well. That's the thing I spent
Speaker 1: the first several years enjoying this movie and thinking like, oh,
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg, what a cool, smart, punk genius prophet, because
Speaker 1: like the writing is such that almost every scene of
Speaker 1: the movie ends with like this epic like Mike drop
Speaker 1: like come back, like oh, he sure showed them, And
Speaker 1: it makes you think and and like the thesis statement
Speaker 1: of the movie is Brashida Jones's line being like, You're
Speaker 1: not an asshole, You're just trying so hard to be.
Speaker 1: And I think the movie once audiences to think like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's really actually he's tortured and nice. And now rewatching
Speaker 1: the movie for this episode, which I did four times,
Speaker 1: rewatched it four times because there's it's so I had
Speaker 1: to watch it because there's so much dialogue. It was
Speaker 1: giving me whiplash. I think that the music is so loud,
Speaker 1: you're like Aaron Sorkin was like, there needs to be
Speaker 1: one word of dialogue for every dollar that Michael Zuckerberg has,
Speaker 1: and Mike Zuckerberg the entire script as Mike Zuckerburg. Then
Speaker 1: the finding replaced that there end. That's how little I
Speaker 1: think of Mike. I know his name is Mark, Mike,
Speaker 1: don't he's gonna He's gonna buy Costco just despite you
Speaker 1: both has has anyone here ever worked for Mike? Always
Speaker 1: have some people who work for Mike? I thought, truly,
Speaker 1: I'm just like that. I don't know how San Francisco works.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's everybody just like how where all movie stars?
Speaker 1: Because we live in l A. I mean, yeah, yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So before I messed up the hilarious punchline of my joke, um,
Speaker 1: there's so much the dialogue is very dense in the movie,
Speaker 1: so I had to watch it so many times to
Speaker 1: be like, what did you catch every sexist phrase that
Speaker 1: was set? I eventually did, yes after my fourth watch.
Speaker 1: But so now the point that I'm trying to arrive
Speaker 1: at is that, like the it's he's an asshole Mark Zuckerberg, okay,
Speaker 1: and that and by that I mean him as a character.
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg as a character is an insufferable asshole, but
Speaker 1: the movie wants you to think that he's very cool. Well,
Speaker 1: and we were talking about this earlier today of like
Speaker 1: how that is kind of a very slippery slope that
Speaker 1: you tread when you're writing a biopic like this, Because
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, like my need on this movie
Speaker 1: has changed over time and that's more a reflection on
Speaker 1: like me and how the world has changed around me
Speaker 1: than it is on the movie itself maybe, And like, yeah,
Speaker 1: when I watched it originally, I'm like, oh, Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: is well and also the marketing punk genius, like he's
Speaker 1: a punk genius prophet, because that was how it was marketed.
Speaker 1: But then when you watch it, I think, like, all
Speaker 1: the elements of like he is an asshole are there,
Speaker 1: but there's other movies, like we're talking about Vice a
Speaker 1: little bit kind of chose this line in a way
Speaker 1: as well, where you see it's a it's a movie
Speaker 1: that makes fucking Dick Cheney look cool, and you're like,
Speaker 1: what was it? What was that important to do? There
Speaker 1: was there a pressing need for that where all the
Speaker 1: facts and indications that he is not a cool person
Speaker 1: to be admired are there, But the way that the
Speaker 1: movie is presented to you is saying something a little
Speaker 1: bit different. And so yeah, this is kind of like
Speaker 1: one of those weird uncanny things. Should we talk about women?
Speaker 1: I can't What if I was like, no, I forgot,
Speaker 1: I forgot? Should we start with the Erica Albright? Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of the best character in the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Erica Albright's played by Ruoney mara Is. I think that
Speaker 1: the opening scene to this movie is truly like one
Speaker 1: of my favorite scenes ever ever. It's really good. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's that line at the end of like I want
Speaker 1: you to know that you'll think that women don't want
Speaker 1: to be with you because you're a nerd, and it's not.
Speaker 1: It's because you're an asshole. And wouldn't that line have
Speaker 1: been so much more effective if the last line in
Speaker 1: the movie wasn't You're not an asshole? But oh well,
Speaker 1: you know they will try it again. Um. But I
Speaker 1: like her character a lot. I think something that was
Speaker 1: stood up to me when I was just researching how
Speaker 1: this movie was received in two thousand time was there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who were criticizing the movie
Speaker 1: for its treatment of women, rightfully so, referring to this
Speaker 1: character as a feminist kill joy um, which we love.
Speaker 1: But I think watching the movie, like I like her portrayal.
Speaker 1: I think she's very hard on him from the very beginning.
Speaker 1: You know exactly why he's nagging her, he's talking down
Speaker 1: to her, he's treating her like ship, and she breaks
Speaker 1: up with him right away because why wouldn't you? And
Speaker 1: when he comes back talking to her about his dot com,
Speaker 1: she's like, good luck with your video game. She's great.
Speaker 1: I love her that. I like to think I like
Speaker 1: to think that she never responds to his friend request
Speaker 1: at the end. That's like the best possible PostScript that
Speaker 1: she just deletes in. It's like I don't care at all,
Speaker 1: right if she's just like, actually a more I'm with
Speaker 1: Tom from my space she showed him. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like that last scene? The whole thing about Rashida Jones
Speaker 1: is lyne that undercuts it is like when you say
Speaker 1: you're you're not nastural, you're just trying to be It's like,
Speaker 1: what's the difference if you're trying to be a person
Speaker 1: makes And it's sort of it's sort of sets up.
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg could be this like just sad, pathetic nerd
Speaker 1: who really just wants to be loved, And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but the path to him being loved for some reason
Speaker 1: is like I have to blaze a trail of bodies
Speaker 1: in my path, of people who like didn't bow at
Speaker 1: my feet, and that means like talking shit about women
Speaker 1: and like fucking over my friends and who it's like, no,
Speaker 1: you're an asshole. Erica's right. It's weird that they let
Speaker 1: that be the end of the movie. Times from my
Speaker 1: Space is a lucky man. I think, yeah, like it's
Speaker 1: totally and and and I mean, unfortunately, there's not even
Speaker 1: that much we can say about Rashida Jones's character, who's
Speaker 1: named Maryland. I guess, uh where. I think that Aaron
Speaker 1: Sarkin is kind of trying to do Aaron Sorkin at
Speaker 1: least feels tangentially aware that he is not good at
Speaker 1: writing female characters, to the point where he feels like
Speaker 1: he needs to justify it by being like, um, actually,
Speaker 1: I'm really good at it, like he did in that quote.
Speaker 1: So what I'm I read of what he's doing with
Speaker 1: Maryland's character is Marylyn is a lawyer. She's in the
Speaker 1: room at all of these Um is it a deposition here?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Fireside, she's at the Zuck Chats, the
Speaker 1: Winkies are there, at Wardo's there and everyone's having a
Speaker 1: good time. And but she's there, and we are told
Speaker 1: several times she's very good at her job. She knows
Speaker 1: what she's doing. And I feel like Aaron Sorkin kind
Speaker 1: of does that to offset, like, oh, maybe if I
Speaker 1: say she's good at her job, even though I never
Speaker 1: have to show it, it'll be fine and no one
Speaker 1: will notice that she's just recapping scenes and then absolving
Speaker 1: the protagonist of any guilt's um But you know, we
Speaker 1: see you, we see you. She's not given much to say,
Speaker 1: but what she does usually say is something where she's
Speaker 1: just so impressed by our friend Mike Zuckerberg's Your Psycho
Speaker 1: twenty two hundred, and she's written in such a way.
Speaker 1: She were like, she can't even get like one fact right,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, twenty two thousand, and she's like
Speaker 1: and then at the end he asks her out, and
Speaker 1: then she doesn't even say. She's like, I can't like,
Speaker 1: but it's like she wants to. She just they were
Speaker 1: just laying out crimes on crimes on crimes on crimes,
Speaker 1: crimes that this man had done all day long. He's
Speaker 1: being a dick, he's being horrible. He's extorted like millions
Speaker 1: and billions of dollars. And he's like, do you want
Speaker 1: to get food? She's like, maybe, like, what's a boy?
Speaker 1: I know? I feel so bad for Rashida Jones. Can
Speaker 1: we go back to Erica first. Yeah, so okay, she
Speaker 1: is a great character, but like the story only affords
Speaker 1: her like I don't know, seven or eight minutes of
Speaker 1: screen time, Like we hardly get to see her, and
Speaker 1: she's I think, along with Christie, the female character we
Speaker 1: see the most, and it's like seven's hardly anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the movie frames the whole reason like Mark creates
Speaker 1: and expands Facebook is to like teach her a lesson
Speaker 1: for not being with him almost which kind of brings
Speaker 1: us into so the fact that Priscilla Mark's future wife
Speaker 1: is if the story were historically accurate, Priscilla would be
Speaker 1: present in the story at some point because she's known
Speaker 1: Mark since about two thousand three. They've become involved in
Speaker 1: two thousand five, so at the point that the hearings
Speaker 1: are being shown, they would have been in a relationship
Speaker 1: for years. He wouldn't be Facebook friend requesting Erica Albright
Speaker 1: that we know of, um Man, I don't like I
Speaker 1: genuinely of The one thing I'll say about Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: is I don't think that he's a cheater. I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone wants him. Um So, I think he's loyal.
Speaker 1: I think he's loyal to his wife, so that was slander.
Speaker 1: Priscilla has also called the movie hurtful. She's she's written
Speaker 1: out of it entirely. Um, and I think that, like
Speaker 1: I I get the narrative reason for doing that, But
Speaker 1: that's only because like what you were saying that Aaron
Speaker 1: Sorkin kind of uses Erica Albright as this like narrative
Speaker 1: engine to fuel Mark's need for revenge, right, because when
Speaker 1: he sees her at that bar and she refuses, rightfully
Speaker 1: refuses to like go somewhere and talk to him, because
Speaker 1: she's like, you called me a bit on the internet,
Speaker 1: you like body women to farm. And he's like, I
Speaker 1: didn't end up actually doing that. It's like shut up, apologize, um,
Speaker 1: and she's like, no, screw you, like I'm here with
Speaker 1: my friends. And then he like runs away and he's
Speaker 1: like we have to expand Facebook. We have to add
Speaker 1: every school in the world, and like, yeah, she's like
Speaker 1: poised as just like this tool within the narrative to
Speaker 1: just like motivate him further, right, Like, yeah, we we
Speaker 1: never find out really anything about her other than she
Speaker 1: goes to be you and she's the best character. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are the things we know some other women in
Speaker 1: the movie dacote to Johnson's in this movie. That was
Speaker 1: the pleasant of that. I don't think I knew who
Speaker 1: Dakota Johnson was the last time I saw this movie. Neither. Yeah,
Speaker 1: brave of us to not know. We hadn't seen Fifty
Speaker 1: Shades of Gray yet. Um. But there are some other
Speaker 1: women in this movie who challenge Mark Zuckerberg for his
Speaker 1: sexist behavior, because, make no mistake, that is mostly what
Speaker 1: he is doing in this movie is being sexist. Um.
Speaker 1: But these these women appear so infrequently and are given
Speaker 1: so little narrative significance that they like you forget that
Speaker 1: they're even there most of the time. But there's like
Speaker 1: Rooney Mara is the main person who does this. And
Speaker 1: then like when you see the montage of men rating
Speaker 1: women on face mash, there's a shot of a girl
Speaker 1: who comes in. She's like, that's my roommate, and I
Speaker 1: think she's supposed to be like disgusted but unclear. But
Speaker 1: then there's another she's proud, She's proud, I recognize her. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's my roommate. Um. But then we cut to another
Speaker 1: shot of a few women looking at facemash dot com
Speaker 1: with like disgusted looks on their face, and then one
Speaker 1: of them says, oh, this is pathetic. And then there's
Speaker 1: that female student in his class who passes him a
Speaker 1: note that says you dick um, and then he and
Speaker 1: then and then Jesse Eisenberg gives this really dramatic pout.
Speaker 1: He's like me dick oh no, and then he Leah
Speaker 1: starts to leave the class, and then he answers a
Speaker 1: question right, and we're like, oh, he's great, right exactly,
Speaker 1: because every scene ends with like him being like I'm
Speaker 1: the smartest person ever. And then there's like mention of
Speaker 1: women's groups like going after him and being like face
Speaker 1: Mash was mean, But they're always like just framed as
Speaker 1: being like pesky obstacles and we don't even like see
Speaker 1: it's unfold on screen. Right. Well, that's the main I
Speaker 1: think issue with how women are written. They're only written
Speaker 1: as obstacles, obstacles dressing. Yeah. So it's like the movie
Speaker 1: tells you, oh, what he's doing to women with face
Speaker 1: Mash is really bad, but the cinematography tells you, here's
Speaker 1: a lot of sexy women, and let's film them at
Speaker 1: parties and they're wet, like the the like written stuff
Speaker 1: versus what David Fincher brings to the table is because
Speaker 1: there's that famous like juxtaposed montage. Right, I went to
Speaker 1: film school and and it's like the nerd boys coding,
Speaker 1: doing their coding on the computer, um to to do
Speaker 1: face mash not. And that's juxtaposed against the cool Harvard
Speaker 1: boys in their final club inviting a bus full of
Speaker 1: women into their party. And then we see shots of
Speaker 1: them like taking their clothes off, making out with each other,
Speaker 1: like just acting as like sexualized set dressing basically, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I keep trying to figure out what the
Speaker 1: intention of this montage is. I have an idea, Well,
Speaker 1: the best I could come up with is just that like, look, men,
Speaker 1: whether they're like popular and cool or like nerds, neither
Speaker 1: group likes women. But which is true? Which is true?
Speaker 1: But then there's like kind of no comment on that.
Speaker 1: By the moment, there's like there's it's just like and
Speaker 1: now you get to see women kissing each other for
Speaker 1: men's pleasure, and then and then there's no commentary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no there's well should we talk about Christie? Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1: Uh so, Brent the song is in this movie and
Speaker 1: I love Brenda Song. We're like, yes, Wendy, woo there
Speaker 1: she is. Does anyone here Wendy who come coming warrior? Yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully a d coming. Yes, I don't know anything about London.
Speaker 1: Tipton's in the movie. I'm watching it right. So Brenda
Speaker 1: Song is amazing and she is is I think, very
Speaker 1: much done dirty in this movie. Um. So she plays
Speaker 1: a character name it's Chrissie Christie, Christie Christie who has
Speaker 1: a friend named Alice who will we don't know. And
Speaker 1: she gives Mark Huckerberg a blowjob in the bathroom. She
Speaker 1: gives sheaves regret that sweet Harvard head that we've heard about,
Speaker 1: which these two, these four people go into two bathroom
Speaker 1: stalls right next to each other, and we're supposed to
Speaker 1: be like, damn, may God at all. I would be like,
Speaker 1: you can both hear your best friend in the world
Speaker 1: getting their dick sucked right now? How are you? How
Speaker 1: is this great for you? You guys are in a
Speaker 1: all right, it's there. It's framed as if and they
Speaker 1: act as if it's the best thing that happened. We
Speaker 1: got croupies and which is which is strictly how they're
Speaker 1: framed throughout the movie, Alice disappears pretty quickly from the narrative,
Speaker 1: but Christie remains. We first meet Christie when Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: is saying something racist about her but that she's out
Speaker 1: of ear shot for towards Eduardo. Um. They all later
Speaker 1: hook up. Christie is in a relationship with Eduardo and
Speaker 1: then I mean, she doesn't have a lot of narrative
Speaker 1: impact she's around she I think the most impact she
Speaker 1: has in the longest scene she's in, which is when
Speaker 1: um Sean meets up with Eduardo and says, drop the
Speaker 1: eighth cleaner, Like that's that scene. She spends the entire
Speaker 1: scene being like, WARNO, calmed down, give me another apple, Tenny.
Speaker 1: That is her contribution. She gets apple tenies and because Sean,
Speaker 1: that's the also the only I'm like, I wonder if
Speaker 1: Aaron Sorghum is even trying to be sexist or if
Speaker 1: that was just happened to be how sexist he is.
Speaker 1: But the only time someone directly addresses her in that
Speaker 1: scene is when the waiter comes by and it's like,
Speaker 1: what would you like and Sean turns to we were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: Brenda's song is in this scene, and justin Timber, like
Speaker 1: like you choose, and she's like apple tennis and that's
Speaker 1: all she says. The scripts probably is like Sean turns
Speaker 1: to her, giving her agency and he's just like yeah,
Speaker 1: I did it, yeah, just like yeah, it's like another
Speaker 1: day's work. Yeah, And then he puts his male feminist
Speaker 1: T shirt bout gone and goes to bed. Tomorrow begins
Speaker 1: production on Molly's Game, My female protagonist movie. Uh he's
Speaker 1: a weird man, but yeah, so so. Christie Is is
Speaker 1: sidelined for most of the part she's in, and then
Speaker 1: very suddenly Eduardo goes to Palo Alto and then comes
Speaker 1: back and all of a sudden, Christie has just she's
Speaker 1: gone off the rails and she is all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we have no information to believe that she is a
Speaker 1: jealous girlfriend. Prior to this, she's very chill. She's ordering
Speaker 1: Apple Apple teen, she's around. All of a sudden, she
Speaker 1: shows up and Andrew Garfield's dorm and is like I
Speaker 1: sent to forty seven texts and like she's just is
Speaker 1: made to seem so irrational so quickly. There's nothing that
Speaker 1: I saw to indicate that she was like at all.
Speaker 1: She lights his ship on fire, and then two seconds
Speaker 1: later is like, are you leaving? Like they just make
Speaker 1: her seem so irrational out of nowhere, and it's it's
Speaker 1: just because she's being written as an obstacle to him
Speaker 1: very suddenly that's her importance in that scene. She's in
Speaker 1: the way of Eduardo being with Facebook. Can I give
Speaker 1: an honest to God, like what I truly believe happened here.
Speaker 1: I think that they shot the movie or like wrote
Speaker 1: it all that had it done, got to the end,
Speaker 1: and someone was like, what happened to Christie? And they're
Speaker 1: like and they went back. They went back. We're like,
Speaker 1: we gotta write her out somehow, and they're like make
Speaker 1: her crazy. And he's like, I don't want anything to
Speaker 1: do because it's like all in one scene. If it's
Speaker 1: turn happened, the scene could be excise from the movie
Speaker 1: and it would just be like, oh right, I guess
Speaker 1: Brenda Song died right right? But they do. I feel
Speaker 1: like they do worse than just make her disappear. They
Speaker 1: like make her every like negative girlfriend trope that exists
Speaker 1: that she lights it on fire and we see her
Speaker 1: he's and and then so we have to understand when
Speaker 1: he dumps her and then she's gone from the movie
Speaker 1: and like a perfect that. I like that, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I also love her line, have you ever seen me
Speaker 1: wear a scarf? Is? That? Was like that was their
Speaker 1: version of like, she's got to hate the scarf for
Speaker 1: some reason, she's never had a scarf. There we go,
Speaker 1: She's know what a scarf is? Like? There, what's this?
Speaker 1: She was what the fund is there? That doesn't go
Speaker 1: on my on my foot? He's like, no, they even
Speaker 1: a scarf. She's like, are you fucking me with me
Speaker 1: right now? I don't know what this is? I let
Speaker 1: fire it just it was so ridiculous and just like
Speaker 1: a character that has been like insulted in the first
Speaker 1: line of dialogue, ignored for an hour and then there
Speaker 1: and then immediately like gotten rid of by being like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's like yeah, the crazy Troupe, It's yeah. She's it's
Speaker 1: so inconsistent the way she's characterized. And then there's that
Speaker 1: scene where Mark has decided to expand and he's delegating
Speaker 1: to Timmy from Drastic Park. He's like, your marketing or something.
Speaker 1: You're Timmy, not the actor, but the dustin whatever. He
Speaker 1: has twelve billion dollars isn't that upsetting? Yes, he should
Speaker 1: be illegal, Bernie. We're making Dustin illegal, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want everybody involved in Facebook to go to jail.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good, except for the Winkle Bosses. They can stay.
Speaker 1: They're in my cabinet. But we're switching the American economy
Speaker 1: to wink coins. Andrew Yang's like, everyone gets one wink
Speaker 1: coin a month. Um. I feel like Andrew Yang and
Speaker 1: the Winkle Bosses know each other. It does seems like
Speaker 1: they know each other for sure. They text. I don't
Speaker 1: know anyway. So there's that scene where Mark is delegating
Speaker 1: tasks to his roommates who are now all billionaires, and
Speaker 1: then Christie and Alice or like, can we do anything
Speaker 1: to help? And Mark is just like no, moving on
Speaker 1: dustin your head of marketing, Like yeah, And then Sean
Speaker 1: Parker's treatment of female characters is kind of the same.
Speaker 1: There's very strong suggestions by the movie that I'm like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if Aaron Sorkin had research that indicated this,
Speaker 1: because it comes up a lot of times, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't find anything on it that that Sean Parker is
Speaker 1: around underage women a lot and like applying them with
Speaker 1: alcohol the entire time. Anytime Sean Parker is around a woman,
Speaker 1: someone walks in the room, is like, how old is
Speaker 1: that woman? Like such a strong allegation. There's got to
Speaker 1: be something to there. There was like I looked so
Speaker 1: hard to see, like is there bait? But so I
Speaker 1: just have to imagine it was one of his interviews
Speaker 1: or he's mean like that was just but I mean
Speaker 1: that that like drug right on the Palo Alto house.
Speaker 1: That was true and like, but there was nothing indicated
Speaker 1: about the age of people there. So Sarkin knows something
Speaker 1: we don't. I don't know join this Patreon. I don't know.
Speaker 1: He screwed out by Napster somehow, and he's like, I'll
Speaker 1: show you. Yes, he was an independent uh. I also
Speaker 1: love that in his very first scene they sort of
Speaker 1: set him up as like, well, he's a good guy
Speaker 1: because he knows everything about this this college girl. Yes.
Speaker 1: I was confused about how that scene was supposed to
Speaker 1: come off. The sem of referencing is the Dakota Johnson
Speaker 1: scene whereas we first meet Sean Parker, he's dressed in
Speaker 1: a crisp white linen waking up after a one night stand,
Speaker 1: as if that's ever happened, Like, imagine someone looking nice.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I would prefer they were out of my house.
Speaker 1: But he wakes up he's at a college student's house.
Speaker 1: He is not a college student, that's what we know.
Speaker 1: And then there's immediately that that you know, thing that
Speaker 1: goes through where he checks to you know, Dakota Johnson says, oh,
Speaker 1: you're not fifteen or something, and he's like, no, or
Speaker 1: you because it's just that is how the movie treats him,
Speaker 1: maximum which like fool me once, right, right, But then
Speaker 1: as she is like, I bet you don't remember anything
Speaker 1: about me, and then he remembers too much everything about her,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I remember you. Your name is blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, you go to blah blah blah. Your social
Speaker 1: Security number is zero. Like he knows so much, and
Speaker 1: I think this is supposed to come off as oh,
Speaker 1: he's a nice guy, But to me, I'm like, if
Speaker 1: someone knew and even if I told them that much,
Speaker 1: and then I slept with him and they woke up
Speaker 1: at my house and they're like, your name is Jamie
Speaker 1: Bethany Loftus. I would be like, oh my god, leave
Speaker 1: my apartment. It feels like you're in like Minority Report.
Speaker 1: You just woke up like here's your identity. But it
Speaker 1: also feels like he woke up in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night and memorize these facts because he's like, this
Speaker 1: happens all the time. I'm not gonna And that's when
Speaker 1: you put on that clean shirt. Think yeah, this scene,
Speaker 1: this scene is there to remind you that justent timber
Speaker 1: like it's actually not a good actor, because that's the
Speaker 1: scene where he does the crisp white linen and then
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, this is your name, this is where
Speaker 1: you come from, and and she's like, okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take a shower. And then he opens her laptop which
Speaker 1: is open to the Facebook dot com and he goes oh.
Speaker 1: We're like, oh my god, he's got like a boner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like. And then he's like, well what is this.
Speaker 1: She's like, it's Facebook. Everyone loves it. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: I gotta find you, Margaret. This is my favorite. It's
Speaker 1: like an evil an evil villain line. He's like, I
Speaker 1: have to find you big. You're like, all right, he's
Speaker 1: a terrible actor. He's the worst actor of all time.
Speaker 1: I like when he flinches though that that part is
Speaker 1: so when Andrew Gard feels about to punch him. I
Speaker 1: also I don't remember like the context of how we
Speaker 1: all looked at the Internet in like two thousand eight
Speaker 1: or whatever. But if you open someone's computer and saw
Speaker 1: a website you didn't recognize, you wouldn't be like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, what is What's so? Like he's he's a
Speaker 1: media like something's here, Like I want five versions of
Speaker 1: this scene where he opens it. It's like asked dot com.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait wait, I want to find and
Speaker 1: replace version of this movie where it's just like it's
Speaker 1: the entire thing is just like geo cities. Every line
Speaker 1: is dubbed like if you were inventor of geo cities,
Speaker 1: you would invent a geo city. I want the line
Speaker 1: from me where he's like, and now I have to
Speaker 1: do is find you, Jeeves. There's something something similar happens
Speaker 1: to what you're talking about, dummy. Earlier in the movie
Speaker 1: where apparently everyone on Earth reads Mark Zuckerberg's live journal,
Speaker 1: because there's a student at BU who like comes into
Speaker 1: Erica Albrid's dorm room with a bra and he uses
Speaker 1: a transphobic slur. But uh, and he would have only
Speaker 1: known anything about that if he had read Mark Zuckerberg's blog,
Speaker 1: like everyone's blogging to zuck on it their home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is back when they were only like five web pages.
Speaker 1: That was another one of my favorite badly written like
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Eron Sorkin didn't grow up with the internet
Speaker 1: lines where like Erica's roommate walks into the room and
Speaker 1: it's like, Erica, he's blogging about you, and you're like,
Speaker 1: no one has ever said that, thank you, nameless female character. Right. Um,
Speaker 1: So to conclude what I think we were originally talking about,
Speaker 1: Christie has not treated well in the movie. So, I
Speaker 1: mean the way Asian women especially are talked about and
Speaker 1: then depicted in the movie is really not good, very disrespectful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and it's kind of like this is another
Speaker 1: thing that it's like, Um, Aaron Sorkin had the source
Speaker 1: material to not do this, Like Mark Zuckerberg, for all
Speaker 1: of his war crimes, did have female friends in college. Um,
Speaker 1: and female friends that like he hung out with and
Speaker 1: knew the names of and didn't yell at his mommy, mommy,
Speaker 1: and I'm where was mrs Z? The mrs Z visibility
Speaker 1: wasn't an all time loan in this um But what
Speaker 1: were we talking? Oh no about the whole Asian women thing.
Speaker 1: I do feel it feels like a curious choice given
Speaker 1: that like Zuckerberg's wife is an Asian woman, yes, and
Speaker 1: that he was dating her while this movie was supposed
Speaker 1: to have been happening. And there's like like that line before,
Speaker 1: like when they go to the a pie party and
Speaker 1: they talk about how Jewish men and Asian women like
Speaker 1: are like meant to be together, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: this feels pointed and unnecessary. It's like, like, what what
Speaker 1: are the filmmakers trying to accomplish with that? It was
Speaker 1: very very weird. Yeah. And then there's also I mean
Speaker 1: what we were talking about a little bit earlier, and
Speaker 1: we've referenced as there's a few um characters in this
Speaker 1: movie who were people of color who were played by
Speaker 1: white actors, which you're just like, Okay, David Fincher, we
Speaker 1: get it. Yes, Well, if it's yourself was busy, then
Speaker 1: I guess right, you're like Jesus Christ. This movie was
Speaker 1: produced by Kevin Spacey, and there was my my boyfriend
Speaker 1: Isaac Brave. Wow, what was pointing out? Nay, I would say,
Speaker 1: explaining to us the fact that no, he's great, he'll
Speaker 1: be selling mer chapter the show. Um. But he was
Speaker 1: telling us when we were rewatching the movie last night
Speaker 1: that there are multiple producers of this movie who have
Speaker 1: been on the lowly to express. Um. We're talking obviously
Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey been on the low Leader Express. I believe
Speaker 1: David Fincher was on that list of names. Scott Reuden
Speaker 1: is also on that list of name. So we have
Speaker 1: three major players involved in the social network that have
Speaker 1: been on Jeffrey Epstein's plane. So, um, just a reminder
Speaker 1: that we live in hell. Thank you. Do you think
Speaker 1: that they were on that plane only because they were
Speaker 1: looking for Sean Parker. We're doing research, like you're just like, Uh,
Speaker 1: Aaron Sorkin not invited on the plane? So um, feminist horrible? Um.
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other final thoughts? Uh? No, we've
Speaker 1: barely scratched the surface, and yet we're running. And I
Speaker 1: have a quote from Mark Zuckerberg that I wanted to
Speaker 1: share about what he like. He was basically asked, well,
Speaker 1: if what Aaron Sorkin wrote wasn't what happened during the
Speaker 1: making of Facebook, what was happening and I'll do my
Speaker 1: best Mark Zuckerberg here, Okay, but I think it's such
Speaker 1: a big disconnect from the way people who make movies
Speaker 1: think about what we do in Silicon Valley. We're building stuff.
Speaker 1: They just can't wrap their head around the idea that
Speaker 1: someone might build something just because they like building things.
Speaker 1: So that's what Mark Zuckerberg said is actually happening. They
Speaker 1: were building things. That was That's all that was happening.
Speaker 1: Ignore the blood shed. Um um. I think we have
Speaker 1: a few moments for some audience questions and comments and contributions.
Speaker 1: Does anyone and if you have something, we have another mix.
Speaker 1: So if you want to come up and do we
Speaker 1: have any Oh yeah, so come on down, come on down.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, uh so I actually came out. I didn't
Speaker 1: watch a movie. I just love you guys. And I'm
Speaker 1: not clear if we covered or not. Is or is
Speaker 1: not the movie about a network that was bitten social?
Speaker 1: Oh question, thank you so much. So this is for
Speaker 1: people who follow me on Twitter and who are familiar
Speaker 1: with the very stupid joke. I refuse to stop doing it.
Speaker 1: The movie is not about a network bitten by a
Speaker 1: radio active social and that's why it's bad. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. None of the reasons we described. I might
Speaker 1: argue that it is if the network is just the
Speaker 1: Internet as a whole, in the radio active social is
Speaker 1: the final clubs. Okay, that's an interesting proposition, but you're wrong.
Speaker 1: This leaves it in a gray area for me. Still,
Speaker 1: I'd like answer, Oh, I can't don't have anything, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you? Does anyone else? Hi? What's your name? Name?
Speaker 1: Hi names Jamie? Hi? Hi, jam I also went to
Speaker 1: college in Boston. Yes, I know, we know, of course
Speaker 1: we know. So we know that Mark Zuckerberg isn't exactly human.
Speaker 1: So I have to ask on the range wet scabs
Speaker 1: or dry scab? Does Mark? Okay, the question being for
Speaker 1: those of you who aren't familiar with the age old question,
Speaker 1: does beetle juice come wet scabs or dry scabs? Jamie
Speaker 1: seeks to extend this question further. Does Mark Zuckerberg come
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg's Halloween character? I think yes, I think he's
Speaker 1: Halloween cannon um and he comes lines of code? Do
Speaker 1: you do you think he comes lines of code? You
Speaker 1: think he comes content? I think I'm gonna go I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm still gonna go dry for this one, and
Speaker 1: just a reminder, the sound of coming dry scabs kind
Speaker 1: of sounds like a deck of cards being shuffled, um,
Speaker 1: whereas coming wet scalps sounds like a laser jet printer
Speaker 1: printing full color pages. Every time Marks like aberg comes,
Speaker 1: it's the beginning of the matrix. That's my fear. I've
Speaker 1: Code coming down the window. Oh, that's just Marks first
Speaker 1: come at the thing with that movie. Interesting, that's what
Speaker 1: he was referring to with that line, like if you
Speaker 1: knew what you were looking for, you would have seen
Speaker 1: it out my window. Just his lines of I'm I'm
Speaker 1: all for team Code Come, could come any other Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on down. I think Code comes one of the
Speaker 1: companies that's in the controversy section first week. Hello. Hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Adrianna. Hi. So I just kind of want to
Speaker 1: get your take. How do you think that Sarkin would
Speaker 1: have handled all the me and mar and like us, Senate,
Speaker 1: would you handled it? Yes? Well, there's a sequel coming
Speaker 1: out this, The Social Tutorwork, an extremely social network movie.
Speaker 1: That's it. The um, how would I I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't trust Aaron's or going to handle
Speaker 1: anything responsibly or will. Really, I think he would have
Speaker 1: probably taken about what happened and then made it sound
Speaker 1: five hundred times more annoying than what actually happened. I
Speaker 1: think he's like, what if the people in me and
Speaker 1: mar were really quippy like and you're like, that's not
Speaker 1: the point of the story, sir um. Yeah, he would
Speaker 1: have just been really obnoxious about He would have done
Speaker 1: a lot of research and then somehow still done a
Speaker 1: major disservice to everybody involved. I think it would have
Speaker 1: just been like that scene in the newsroom where Gabby
Speaker 1: Gifford's get shots and then everyone's running around and like
Speaker 1: coplays fix you plays. If you haven't seen that scene,
Speaker 1: please please go and watch. That is the quintessential Wow.
Speaker 1: We really let Aaron Sorkin do this multiple times, right.
Speaker 1: It sucks because when it works, it worked really well,
Speaker 1: and when it's horrible, you clenched so hard your whole
Speaker 1: seal like it's like wild, we have time for one word, person,
Speaker 1: you ask at the same time. All right. So I
Speaker 1: did notice that Christie did actually have a prompt for
Speaker 1: why she went crazy, and it was that he didn't
Speaker 1: change his relationship status on his Facebook and his excuse
Speaker 1: was that he didn't know how right though he wrote
Speaker 1: the original code, but the algorithm the whole, so he
Speaker 1: was lying in that scene. Yeah, he was lying. I
Speaker 1: thank you for that. Thank you. Yes he is a asshole.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And then you've caught up. God damn it. Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Ashley. I really loved what you guys said about
Speaker 1: justin timber Lake. But as someone who has watched his
Speaker 1: Man in the Woods trailer several dozen times and made
Speaker 1: fun of it and has it probably memorized, I was
Speaker 1: hoping because I know you guys are almost out of time,
Speaker 1: but if you had any more material on Justin Timberlake,
Speaker 1: I would just really like to hear. Um. Okay, I
Speaker 1: genuinely I think well, first of all, justin Timberlake is
Speaker 1: I think a good ish musician. I think that Future
Speaker 1: Sex Love Sounds is one of my still one of
Speaker 1: my favorite albums. I will sometimes turn it on during
Speaker 1: a date, which I wouldn't recommend. Um. I've also turned
Speaker 1: on the Jeks during a date. So um, justin here,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's the most talented of like
Speaker 1: he maybe one of the few boy band people who
Speaker 1: is marketed as the most talented and is the most
Speaker 1: talented because they were always trying to be like Nick
Speaker 1: Carter's such a good singer, and you're like, but I
Speaker 1: can hear him, like, you know, so I'm trying to
Speaker 1: stop gaslighting me. He's not good. It clearly Brian's the star, right,
Speaker 1: So Brian was the star than from Backstreet Boys. Everyone
Speaker 1: was just being mean to Brian because he had a
Speaker 1: hard condition that was literally he was really embarrassing. I
Speaker 1: went to see the Backstreet Boys the night before eleven
Speaker 1: and no coincidence, anyways, I wanted to see that. That
Speaker 1: was my first time seeing the Backstreet Boys, and I
Speaker 1: loved Brian so much. And I was eight, and I
Speaker 1: brought a sign that said I heart you, and the
Speaker 1: heart was damaged because he had a heart condition. I
Speaker 1: said I. I was like, I broke and like, funked
Speaker 1: up heart you, Brian. So you did that on purpose?
Speaker 1: I did. I thought I was being empathetic to his
Speaker 1: heart condition. That's what I have to say about justin Timberley. Also,
Speaker 1: I love you, guys, and I'm sorry to compliment a man.
Speaker 1: During the Bechtel cast, Demi Daddy Kiss is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite songs. Thank you. Some of you have no
Speaker 1: context for that phrase, and I'll keep it that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't take up too much space. Steal it, steal it
Speaker 1: off of Napster. Also, lastly, apparently Shaun Parker did not
Speaker 1: found Napster. He had best co founded it, but generally
Speaker 1: he was just a high ranking employee who took all
Speaker 1: the credit. Oh I didn't know that. Yeah, well the
Speaker 1: show's over. No, I'm kidding. It doesn't pass the Becktel test. Also,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't even like Okay, so women are
Speaker 1: barely in the same room together in the movie. But
Speaker 1: I feel like, at the very least, the attorney that
Speaker 1: represents Eduardo and uh Rashida Jones could have said, give
Speaker 1: them two lines, I want to go to Chipotle. No,
Speaker 1: it could have also just stopped at Montage and had
Speaker 1: the women that are kissing just like I really like
Speaker 1: kissing you Christie, Yeah you too, Margot, and then get
Speaker 1: right back at it. Yeah, I've been like feminist text done.
Speaker 1: But no, it does not pass the Backdel test. What
Speaker 1: would we rate this on her nipple scale zero to
Speaker 1: five nipples based on its representation of women? Um, I'm
Speaker 1: going to give it like a half nipple and it's
Speaker 1: all for Erica Albright, who is not a real person,
Speaker 1: and most of the other characters in the movie she's
Speaker 1: based on a real person. But we should have seen her.
Speaker 1: This story should have been told from her point of
Speaker 1: She should have been like Delilah from Hey there, Delilah,
Speaker 1: and like it's me she should but whatever. Anyways, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll also go half nipple. I'm giving mine to Christie
Speaker 1: because Wendy Wood deserved better. I feel like I can't
Speaker 1: go higher, so I'm also gonna go half nipple, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give mine to Sharon, who for those of
Speaker 1: you who have seen the movie, oh, exactly right, she's
Speaker 1: the woman who can't catch a beer bottle. Right, Mike
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg hurls two beers at her and they both shot.
Speaker 1: I wish that scene went on forever. I think it's great,
Speaker 1: especially because you know, David Fincher does like a hundred
Speaker 1: takes of everything, so they could have been like, all right, newtake, alright,
Speaker 1: just put all of them in the editing time back after.
Speaker 1: I also love that her entire introduction is this is
Speaker 1: my Sharon, and then just like you don't have anything
Speaker 1: more to really do the thing about Sharon is she
Speaker 1: can't catch a beer bottle? Where is the franchise script
Speaker 1: for that said, Sharon can't catch a beer bottle? Right?
Speaker 1: Fellas well, Demi, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 1: Give it up for bang uh and and elite third
Speaker 1: time guests. Yes, you've joined a club, a final club,
Speaker 1: a bile club if you will, so now you don't
Speaker 1: need to invent something that will ruin us all. My
Speaker 1: best friend mine, where can people follow you online? I'm
Speaker 1: at Electra lemon on Everything and uh watch Ionia. I
Speaker 1: believe it's on Hulu and Paddington. While you're at it,
Speaker 1: watch Paddington. Thank you so much for coming to the
Speaker 1: show and we'll see you next year. Thank you all right, gang,
Speaker 1: that's our live show on the social network ding. We
Speaker 1: have so many people to thank, First of all, uh
Speaker 1: to our wonderful guest Demi Didju e Bay, as well
Speaker 1: as everyone who came for crying out loud that such
Speaker 1: a fun show, so fun. Thanks for coming. Thanks for
Speaker 1: anyone who bought merch that really helps us out. Thanks
Speaker 1: to everyone who asked a question or made a comment.
Speaker 1: Thank you too. Oh I don't remember their name off
Speaker 1: the top of my head. But um, the person who
Speaker 1: made us the laser cut Paddingtonton's. That was real. That
Speaker 1: was a thrill. I carry it with me like a
Speaker 1: totem from an inception. Oh my gosh, I love my Paddington's.
Speaker 1: Because whoever you are pleased tweet at us or like
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Speaker 1: wish I can remember. Yeah, we're we're horrible, We're bad,
Speaker 1: but we're kids. We're canceled. But please let us know
Speaker 1: who you are and we will give you the du credit.
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Speaker 1: nice gift. Thank you to the Gateway Theater. Thank you
Speaker 1: to Isaac Taylor, uh and uh yeah in a sketch
Speaker 1: fest for having us again. Everyone was so lovely and
Speaker 1: h we packed out the damn place. It was such
Speaker 1: a blast. Um. Yeah, So you can find us at
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Speaker 1: thank you for listening. Thanks to everyone who was there.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I think it goes us saying
Speaker 1: let the hacking end. Bye,