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Speaker 1: On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Do Cast. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the beck Do Cast. Wow, San Francisco, how are you there?

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Speaker 1: Are there there? It's a light excitement. Yeah, thanks for coming.

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Speaker 1: My name is Caitlin Darante. Oh jeez, my name is

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Loftus. Thank you, and yeah, we're this is our

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Speaker 1: second year at us off sketch fust. We're very happy

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Speaker 1: to be here. Indeed, um, I don't do you have

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Speaker 1: what do you have any San Francisco thoughts? I was

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Speaker 1: like them, Well, we spent a lot of time figuring

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Speaker 1: out what movie to do. We're like, jeez, what could

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Speaker 1: we do well? But in all serious is last year

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Speaker 1: we were like not thinking about location. So we did

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Speaker 1: like a movie that took place and we did The

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Speaker 1: Breakfast Club last year, which takes place in Chicago, where

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Speaker 1: it was anyone, Oh, that's a good question. Was anyone

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Speaker 1: here at our show last year? Yes? Oh the rest

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Speaker 1: of you are fucking fake. That was a test and

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Speaker 1: you failed. But yeah, so so this year we chose

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Speaker 1: a movie that at least partially takes place nearby. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious because I think that, um, it's possible

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Speaker 1: that some people in the audience outweigh us in uh knowledge,

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Speaker 1: for the context of this movie. Does anyone here work

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Speaker 1: in tech or has worked in tech or been traumatize

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Speaker 1: had your life traumatized by the tech industry? Just like,

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Speaker 1: just cheer, just cheer. Okay, So everybody, Okay, more people

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Speaker 1: did have listened to a Okay, I'm very excited to

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Speaker 1: hear your insights. Um, I love I love a good

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Speaker 1: tech dystopia story. Yes, they're not enough of them. I

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Speaker 1: know I'm not local to them. I want to know

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Speaker 1: you know. Uh so, is anyone here new to the show?

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Speaker 1: Has anyone not listened to the show before? Don't be

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Speaker 1: anyone second? Row, We're gonna come into the audience like cats.

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Speaker 1: Oh I wish we were talking about cats. Why don't

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Speaker 1: you your discussion to have? Um? Okay, great, Well, this

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Speaker 1: is a feminist movie podcast where we use the Bechdel

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Speaker 1: test sometimes called the Beckdel Wallace test, to start a

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Speaker 1: discussion about how women are portrayed in famous movies. What's

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Speaker 1: the Beckdel test, I'd love to tell you thank you.

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Speaker 1: It is sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace test. I said

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Speaker 1: that did ship. Thank you for listening to me. Jesus,

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. It's okay. So that works. I just

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Speaker 1: said Jesus. It doesn't pass. Oh no, but what if

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Speaker 1: Jesus is a woman? It's an ariana grande also comma Jesus. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: The Becktel test, if You're not familiar, requires that two

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Speaker 1: female identifying characters in a movie talk to each other

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Speaker 1: about something other than a man, and by our standards,

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Speaker 1: it just has to be a two line exchange of dialogue.

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Speaker 1: Do movies pass it? Not often. I have an example

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Speaker 1: of something that I hope passes. Hey Jamie, Hey, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: let the hacking begin. Oh that still gets a bodily risk,

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Speaker 1: a full body response from me. And I don't even

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Speaker 1: like I feel nothing for Mark Zuckerberg or Jesse Eisenberg.

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Speaker 1: But when, but when he says, let the hacking begin,

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Speaker 1: because you're like you, but like, what is going on?

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Speaker 1: Why do I feel that way? He's getting ready to

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Speaker 1: we're doing the social network. By the way, we're doing

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Speaker 1: the social network. Oh yeah, and uh clap if you

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Speaker 1: have seen this movie. Okay, and has anybody not seen

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Speaker 1: this movie? First ahead, I love there's so much boldness

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Speaker 1: going on in San Francisco. Uh, well, we're going to

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Speaker 1: that's all the orders of business that we do attend to.

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Speaker 1: Business is over, yes, and now let the fun begin.

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Speaker 1: We have a guest. We have a guest, a returning man.

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Speaker 1: Let's get this out of the way. The person about

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Speaker 1: and for that we're like, we know, we're aware. But

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Speaker 1: from past episodes of ours, including Star Wars, The Force

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Speaker 1: Awakens and Paddington It's dummy, did you eBay hi hi hi,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for apologizing for men advance of me coming

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Women. Women be apologizing all the time,

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Speaker 1: tell the audience what your shirt says? Because the way

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Speaker 1: Pussycats is the best movie ever, which is just a truth. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: repentation that quickly. Yeah, that reflects poorly on us as well.

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Speaker 1: and the Pussy is the best movie? When do you

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Speaker 1: doesn't pass the back test. It doesn't know anyway, so

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Speaker 1: the social network dummy. What is your history relationship with

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Speaker 1: the movie? I this is one of my favorite movies ever.

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Speaker 1: I think it is truly one of the finest films

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Speaker 1: me because I did not like watch movies a lot

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Speaker 1: And I remember that they were passing out a lot

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Speaker 1: what's your history of this movie? I also really liked

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Speaker 1: Facebook sponsored event. We're learning Mark Zuckerberg is here. No,

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Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg literally caused a genocide. But go off, audience,

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Speaker 1: I just hopefully did you come up with some zucker beer.

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Speaker 1: but things with Eduardo and Mark are getting more and

420
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: more tense, and freezes the account. Yeah, He's like, you

421
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: could have jeopardized Facebook, and then Edward was like, I know,

422
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: he's just trying to get your attending. There's such babies,

423
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: It's so funny. They're just crying about Facebook all day.

424
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: Peter Teal makes a big investment in Facebook. Peter Teel,

425
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: who famously believes that drinking blood of young people will

426
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: make you live longer. Just one more scene that I

427
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: want to added to this movie. Oh, I would love

428
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: a little Peter Tell offering Mark Zuckerberg a shot of

429
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: his nephew's blood. That should have been the role that

430
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: Timberlake played. Yeah. So there's now like money and office

431
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: space associated with Facebook, and Facebook now has almost a

432
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: million members. And Eduardo is called to the office so

433
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: that they can inform him that his shares, which he

434
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: originally owned thirty four percent of, had been diluted down

435
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: to point zero three percent, And all the people in

436
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: the crowd are like, oh my god. I've seen this

437
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: movie upwards of fifteen times, and today was the first

438
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: time where I understood what happened there, because I was like,

439
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: what diluted? And then they were I saw the part

440
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: where it's like they add more investors, Like, oh, because

441
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: we had more of the percentage. Okay, they I mean

442
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: it is kind of funny, like Eduardo is made out

443
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: to be I think by far the most sympathetic character

444
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: in the movie. But ultimately Edwardo sever and I have

445
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: some fun information about what he has since done, which

446
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: is played the country and evaded seven hundred million dollars

447
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: in taxes. But but he at the time, it's like

448
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: he truly did, Like, I mean, he lost six months

449
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: of his life in a thousand dollars and we're like

450
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: crying for him this very He also now has five

451
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: percent of Facebook and is like a jillionaire. So he's fine,

452
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: He's doing fine. He's fine. He lives in Singapore now

453
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: and he likes it. I'm so glad to hear that.

454
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: But Edwardo in the movie is like, I'm suing your ass.

455
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg pends all the flash forwards where we see all

456
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: of those hearings, and then the movie ends with Mark

457
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg requesting Erica Albright as a friend on his own website,

458
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: just after Rashida Jones absolves him of any guilt associated

459
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: with She's like, you're not actually an asshole, Mark Zuckerberg.

460
00:30:53,680 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: By you're like, but what about the whole movie? Uh,

461
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: and then there's all the title cards that it's like,

462
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, Zuckerberg had to pay millions of dollars to

463
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: the Winkies. The Winkies never got their paddles back, and

464
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the movie's movie. Yeah, where where

465
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: should we start? Well with the discussion of this, do

466
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: you do you have a context corner? Do you want

467
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: to start with? There's so much context for this movie

468
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: that I think that probably people in the audience also have.

469
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: So if there's anything that I say during the context

470
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: that you have more info on, feel free to raise

471
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: your hand. We'd love to hear if anyone has any

472
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: dark secrets. Um, this is the place where we're going

473
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: to get them. So there's really not that much to

474
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: say about the production of the movie other than like

475
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: other actors considered blah blah blah. But this is directed

476
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: by David Fincher, written by Aaron Sorkin, And you're like, oh,

477
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: to annoying male personalities like consistently turn out good work.

478
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: This could go so many ways. Um, it turns out

479
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: well in this case. But most of I mean most

480
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: of the context for this just involves like what actually

481
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: happened and what didn't and in the most funny instances,

482
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: how people portrayed in this movie ended up reacting. Um, So,

483
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg, you're not gonna believe this does not like

484
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: this movie very much. He doesn't like it. He Aaron

485
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: Sarkin interviewed a lot of people for this movie, and um,

486
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people interviewed with him on the agreement

487
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: of anonymity. So a lot of the stuff that people

488
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: can't verify happening in the movie, it's very possible it

489
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: did happen, but he can't. He has to like Watergate

490
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: it or whatever. He can't give away his sources. He's

491
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: a real woodword about it. Um. I mean a lot

492
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: of stuff is true, Like the Winkle Boss stuff is

493
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: almost universally true. They actually did throw the Harvard rule

494
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: book to try to, you know, take a billion dollar

495
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: company away from Mark Zuckerberg because they're stupid and it's funny. Um,

496
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: the Winklevoss is now today. They are you know, their

497
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: ass cracked deep in bitcoin. They love bitcoins so much

498
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: they have a billion dollars in bitcoin. My favorite fact

499
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: about the Winkies is and they call him the Winkle

500
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: vis I'm like the Winkies anyways, I'm a fan of

501
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: Winkle vs. Wink vs. The Twins launched wink Decks, which,

502
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: oh no, we have some wink Ducks investors over there.

503
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: They're they're they're like, I we we don't talk about it. Um.

504
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: It was literally it was just like some metric that

505
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: traced the current cost of bitcoin and the financial like

506
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: the the US Financial Commission Department. Whenever the funk found

507
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: out about it and they're like, oh what is this?

508
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: Then they shut it down. Uh so they're billionaires, but

509
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: they shut down wink Decks. So good. They are the

510
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: example of failing upwards repeatedly. Yes, I mean, it's like

511
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: who because they came from a ton of money, they

512
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: funked up a lot. They placed sixth in the Olympics.

513
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: They were so I mean we everyone on stage here

514
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: has placed much higher in the Olympics. Second shot put. Uh, Eduardo,

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00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean we've already referenced. The main thing with EDWARDO

516
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: is that he is Brazilian born and is portrayed by

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00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: a white actor. Um, which we'll we'll talk about in

518
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: a bit, Uh Edward. I mean, but but we shouldn't

519
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: be crying for Edwardo because he has UM. I'll just

520
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: read the official source. UM. He renounced his US citizenship

521
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: in September and therefore avoided and estimated seven million dollars

522
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: in capital gains taxes. He has UM. He says that

523
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: the this is just because he really likes Singapore, and

524
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: he denies he left the US to avoid paying seven

525
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. He's just like, Singapore is dope, you guys.

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00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: And so no one has been seeing much of him

527
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: lately because he lives in Singapore. I also every tech person,

528
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: and I know it's like probably maybe normal for people here,

529
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: but anytime you read, like, first of all, any time

530
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: you read a rich person's controversy section, it's so funny. Um,

531
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: because with Eduardo Saffron, it's like, like controversy with Jumio,

532
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: and you're like, what, that's a company that existed, controversy

533
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: with Quickie. You're like, so he was involved with and

534
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: then later had fallings out with both Quickie and Jumio. Um.

535
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: What else? Most of the characters in this movie are real. Uh.

536
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg doesn't like the portrayal of him in this movie,

537
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: which I mean, I guess I get that. But some

538
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: things that reasons you shouldn't feel bad for Mark Zuckerberg include, uh,

539
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: he's his star. I mean, he's been selling your data

540
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: to the government for a long time. He was helping

541
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: spread war propaganda in a number of countries. He caused

542
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: a genocide in me and mar by doing so, he

543
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: Mick fucked our election, which is why we're all here,

544
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: you know, like there's no no one should at But

545
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: but he went to a Costco last month, so he

546
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: was just like us. He's really the stars are just

547
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: like us. I really do, genuinely believe that Mark Zuckerberg

548
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: and a woman who was completely erased from this movie,

549
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: his wife, his wife Priscilla. I think that they went

550
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: to a Costco and called the paparazzi on themselves, so

551
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: the paparazzi would see them looking at TVs at Costco

552
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, we forgive them, Like what were they?

553
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: If I saw a photo of them at Costco, I'd

554
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: be like, why is Mark Zuckerberg gonna buy Costco? Right?

555
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: Like I don't. There's no part of me that thinks

556
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: that man goes out like shot by anything Costco. Yeah,

557
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: So so Mark Zuckerberg has described the movie as quote

558
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: kind of hurtful unquote. The credits always like and and

559
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: this doesn't reflect on our discussion, but as far as

560
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: I know, it does seem like the movie takes a

561
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: lot of liberties in terms of giving Mark Zuckerberg first

562
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: a personality that's discernible at all. Um. But also it

563
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: seems it seems like, based on interviews and just more

564
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: research done about him, there's a lot written by people

565
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: who have interviewed him at length that he is a

566
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: very boring person who is not even socially adept enough

567
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: to say most of the things that are said in

568
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: the movie. So, which is like, imagine not being smart

569
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: enough to say the worst errand stork in line. Ever. Um,

570
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: I could I could buy the I could buy the

571
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: I could buy the club. I could buy the Phoenix Club,

572
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: and I could I could turn it into my and

573
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: then and then yeah, that this is Mark Zuckerberg will

574
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: like you uh you you you have all of my attention,

575
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: like he's a boring man. My favorite anecdote that I've

576
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: come across by someone who did work in the tech

577
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: industry whose identity I will obscure is this is what

578
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,959
Speaker 1: it's like to work around Mark Zuckerberg when he's trying

579
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: to talk to women. Okay, so when Cheryl Sandberg started

580
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: working at Facebook as the CEO, and she's of course

581
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: a feminist icon just kidding, google her. She's the scariest

582
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: person alive. Um. But Mark loves her, and so he

583
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: has taken around the office say hey, this is your

584
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: new boss. And he introduced her to I guess a

585
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: group of female employees and said something akin to Hi,

586
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: this is Cheryl Samberg. She is your new boss. She

587
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: is so smart, she is so cool. Look at her hair.

588
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: It's so pretty. You should all try to have hair

589
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: like Cheryl's. By that was the whole. So that's like

590
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: what Mark Zuckerberg is actually like. And I, for one,

591
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad they didn't commit that to film. I prefer

592
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: the toxic, misogynist Mark Zuckerberg. Then look at her pretty hair.

593
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: It sounds like a bad like a like a tagline

594
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: pitch for Barbie, like on the Guys like First Days, Like,

595
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: all right, she's smart, she's cool. You gotta have hair

596
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: like her. That's all I got. Yeah, well I hope

597
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: you buy it. Um oh and some of the um

598
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: just like he did give out cards that said I'm

599
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: CEO bitch, that's a true story. That is very true.

600
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: Then yeah, most of the other context stuff I think

601
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: will fit into our discussion there. Like UM, this movie

602
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: was UM at the time of its release. I think

603
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: one of the first movies we've covered that was called

604
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: out for its sexism when it came out, Because this

605
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: movie came out in so it was around the time

606
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: that people were starting to realize women were around for

607
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: the first about ten years ago it became visible, and

608
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: so there was a lot of criticism of this movie

609
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: of how I treated women at the time, to the

610
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: point where it warranted a response from Aaron Sorkin. You know,

611
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: he really does his best to to justify this. So

612
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: here's what he had to say at the time. Quote

613
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: Facebook was born during a night of incredible misogyny. The

614
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: idea of comparing women to farm animals and then to

615
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: each other based on their looks, and then publicly ranking them.

616
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: It was a revenge stunt, aimed first at the woman

617
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: who had mostly recently broke his heart, and then at

618
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: the entire female population of Harvard more generally. I was

619
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: writing about an angry and deeply misogynistic group of people.

620
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: These aren't the cuddly nerds we made movies about in

621
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: the eighties, what you know, the ones that were date

622
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: raping women the continuing the quote, sorry he didn't say that,

623
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: they're very angry that the cheerleader still wants to go

624
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: out with a quarterback instead of the men parentheses always brave,

625
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: who are running the universe right now. The women they

626
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: surround themselves with aren't women who challenge them parentheses, and frankly,

627
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: no woman who could challenge them would be interested in

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00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: being anywhere near them close parentheses. He finishes these women,

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Speaker 1: whether it's the girls who are happy to take their

630
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: clothes off and dance for the boys or Eduardo's psycho girlfriend,

631
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: are real, I mean really real, unquote so feminist icon

632
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: Aaron sor Kim Uh, my thirty minute alarm just went off.

633
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: It's a great time to say, Aaron, poor ribs. Now

634
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: back to the quote. If you're like I loved it, yeah,

635
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: I think that really sort of removes his responsibility and

636
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: how bad this movie depicts women, especially like just doubling

637
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: down on the psycho thing, where it's like, what does

638
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: it add to the story to make her the way

639
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: that she is, Like, what does her portrayal add to this?

640
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: What does having that one line where like the women

641
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: are playing video games and like like we know what

642
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: that is. It's like there's so many moments I'm like,

643
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: what is this for? Exactly? Like I like, I I

644
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: think his first point, which is that men who were

645
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: in early Silicon Valley where misogynists. Yes, right, but that

646
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that like that absolves him of responsibility to

647
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: show any of those women outside of their like what

648
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: he deems is their like narrative relevancy. It doesn't mean

649
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: that he had to write women only as obstacles in

650
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: the story, like obstacles or vehicles for exposition, that would

651
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: then does like disappear forever? Or poor Rashida Jones who

652
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: has to stomp and basically break the fourth wall at

653
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: the end of the movie and be like Mark Zuckerberg

654
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: not a bad guy like her and her whole role

655
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: in this movie is just going so wait and just

656
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: like saying what we just saw. Also she just recaps

657
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: the scene we just saw, makes it seem like he

658
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: might be fusable, and then at the end it's like

659
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: innocent and it's it's just so yeah, Aaron Sorkin, like,

660
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: I mean whatever, we could talk about how Aaron Sorkin

661
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: and David Fincher have depicted women all day long, but

662
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: we simply don't have time. They're both you know, not

663
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: feminist icones. They're and and on top of it, I mean,

664
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: David Fincher is an asshole, but Aaron Sorkin is annoying.

665
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: He thinks he's so smart, he's such a He had

666
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: to sit at his computer and write, you know what's

667
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: better than a million dollars and then he was like, like,

668
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: he's about to come a billion. It took him a

669
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: lot of takes too. He was like, all right, formula

670
00:43:53,400 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: no no dead for a while. Oh God, I just

671
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: like it's his writing is so obnoxious. But sometimes in

672
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: this movie, I feel like it works a lot of

673
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: the time because he's supposed to. Like sometimes with aaron's

674
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: orkins writing, I feel like it's unclear of whether the

675
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: character is supposed to sound like a pretentious asshole or

676
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: if it's just something aeron's Orkin wrote down. But on

677
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: this movie, for the most of the part, for the

678
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: most part, it fits. Well. That's the thing I spent

679
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: the first several years enjoying this movie and thinking like, oh,

680
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg, what a cool, smart, punk genius prophet, because

681
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: like the writing is such that almost every scene of

682
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: the movie ends with like this epic like Mike drop

683
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: like come back, like oh, he sure showed them, And

684
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: it makes you think and and like the thesis statement

685
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: of the movie is Brashida Jones's line being like, You're

686
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: not an asshole, You're just trying so hard to be.

687
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: And I think the movie once audiences to think like, oh,

688
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: he's really actually he's tortured and nice. And now rewatching

689
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: the movie for this episode, which I did four times,

690
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: rewatched it four times because there's it's so I had

691
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: to watch it because there's so much dialogue. It was

692
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: giving me whiplash. I think that the music is so loud,

693
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: you're like Aaron Sorkin was like, there needs to be

694
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: one word of dialogue for every dollar that Michael Zuckerberg has,

695
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: and Mike Zuckerberg the entire script as Mike Zuckerburg. Then

696
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: the finding replaced that there end. That's how little I

697
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: think of Mike. I know his name is Mark, Mike,

698
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: don't he's gonna He's gonna buy Costco just despite you

699
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: both has has anyone here ever worked for Mike? Always

700
00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: have some people who work for Mike? I thought, truly,

701
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm just like that. I don't know how San Francisco works.

702
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's everybody just like how where all movie stars?

703
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: Because we live in l A. I mean, yeah, yeah. Anyway,

704
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: So before I messed up the hilarious punchline of my joke, um,

705
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 1: there's so much the dialogue is very dense in the movie,

706
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: so I had to watch it so many times to

707
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: be like, what did you catch every sexist phrase that

708
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: was set? I eventually did, yes after my fourth watch.

709
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: But so now the point that I'm trying to arrive

710
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: at is that, like the it's he's an asshole Mark Zuckerberg, okay,

711
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: and that and by that I mean him as a character.

712
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg as a character is an insufferable asshole, but

713
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: the movie wants you to think that he's very cool. Well,

714
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: and we were talking about this earlier today of like

715
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: how that is kind of a very slippery slope that

716
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: you tread when you're writing a biopic like this, Because

717
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, like my need on this movie

718
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: has changed over time and that's more a reflection on

719
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: like me and how the world has changed around me

720
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: than it is on the movie itself maybe, And like, yeah,

721
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: when I watched it originally, I'm like, oh, Mark Zuckerberg

722
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: is well and also the marketing punk genius, like he's

723
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: a punk genius prophet, because that was how it was marketed.

724
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: But then when you watch it, I think, like, all

725
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: the elements of like he is an asshole are there,

726
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: but there's other movies, like we're talking about Vice a

727
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: little bit kind of chose this line in a way

728
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: as well, where you see it's a it's a movie

729
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: that makes fucking Dick Cheney look cool, and you're like,

730
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: what was it? What was that important to do? There

731
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: was there a pressing need for that where all the

732
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: facts and indications that he is not a cool person

733
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: to be admired are there, But the way that the

734
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: movie is presented to you is saying something a little

735
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: bit different. And so yeah, this is kind of like

736
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: one of those weird uncanny things. Should we talk about women?

737
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: I can't What if I was like, no, I forgot,

738
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: I forgot? Should we start with the Erica Albright? Uh,

739
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, sort of the best character in the movie. Yeah,

740
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: Erica Albright's played by Ruoney mara Is. I think that

741
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: the opening scene to this movie is truly like one

742
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: of my favorite scenes ever ever. It's really good. I mean,

743
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: there's that line at the end of like I want

744
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: you to know that you'll think that women don't want

745
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: to be with you because you're a nerd, and it's not.

746
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: It's because you're an asshole. And wouldn't that line have

747
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: been so much more effective if the last line in

748
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: the movie wasn't You're not an asshole? But oh well,

749
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: you know they will try it again. Um. But I

750
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: like her character a lot. I think something that was

751
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: stood up to me when I was just researching how

752
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: this movie was received in two thousand time was there

753
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who were criticizing the movie

754
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: for its treatment of women, rightfully so, referring to this

755
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: character as a feminist kill joy um, which we love.

756
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: But I think watching the movie, like I like her portrayal.

757
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: I think she's very hard on him from the very beginning.

758
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: You know exactly why he's nagging her, he's talking down

759
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: to her, he's treating her like ship, and she breaks

760
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: up with him right away because why wouldn't you? And

761
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: when he comes back talking to her about his dot com,

762
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: she's like, good luck with your video game. She's great.

763
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: I love her that. I like to think I like

764
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: to think that she never responds to his friend request

765
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: at the end. That's like the best possible PostScript that

766
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: she just deletes in. It's like I don't care at all,

767
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: right if she's just like, actually a more I'm with

768
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: Tom from my space she showed him. Do you feel

769
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: like that last scene? The whole thing about Rashida Jones

770
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: is lyne that undercuts it is like when you say

771
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: you're you're not nastural, you're just trying to be It's like,

772
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: what's the difference if you're trying to be a person

773
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: makes And it's sort of it's sort of sets up.

774
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg could be this like just sad, pathetic nerd

775
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: who really just wants to be loved, And it's like, yeah,

776
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: but the path to him being loved for some reason

777
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: is like I have to blaze a trail of bodies

778
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: in my path, of people who like didn't bow at

779
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: my feet, and that means like talking shit about women

780
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: and like fucking over my friends and who it's like, no,

781
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: you're an asshole. Erica's right. It's weird that they let

782
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: that be the end of the movie. Times from my

783
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: Space is a lucky man. I think, yeah, like it's

784
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: totally and and and I mean, unfortunately, there's not even

785
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: that much we can say about Rashida Jones's character, who's

786
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: named Maryland. I guess, uh where. I think that Aaron

787
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: Sarkin is kind of trying to do Aaron Sorkin at

788
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: least feels tangentially aware that he is not good at

789
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: writing female characters, to the point where he feels like

790
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: he needs to justify it by being like, um, actually,

791
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm really good at it, like he did in that quote.

792
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: So what I'm I read of what he's doing with

793
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: Maryland's character is Marylyn is a lawyer. She's in the

794
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: room at all of these Um is it a deposition here?

795
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Fireside, she's at the Zuck Chats, the

796
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: Winkies are there, at Wardo's there and everyone's having a

797
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: good time. And but she's there, and we are told

798
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: several times she's very good at her job. She knows

799
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: what she's doing. And I feel like Aaron Sorkin kind

800
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: of does that to offset, like, oh, maybe if I

801
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: say she's good at her job, even though I never

802
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: have to show it, it'll be fine and no one

803
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: will notice that she's just recapping scenes and then absolving

804
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: the protagonist of any guilt's um But you know, we

805
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: see you, we see you. She's not given much to say,

806
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 1: but what she does usually say is something where she's

807
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: just so impressed by our friend Mike Zuckerberg's Your Psycho

808
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: twenty two hundred, and she's written in such a way.

809
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: She were like, she can't even get like one fact right,

810
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, twenty two thousand, and she's like

811
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: and then at the end he asks her out, and

812
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: then she doesn't even say. She's like, I can't like,

813
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: but it's like she wants to. She just they were

814
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: just laying out crimes on crimes on crimes on crimes,

815
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: crimes that this man had done all day long. He's

816
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: being a dick, he's being horrible. He's extorted like millions

817
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: and billions of dollars. And he's like, do you want

818
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: to get food? She's like, maybe, like, what's a boy?

819
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: I know? I feel so bad for Rashida Jones. Can

820
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: we go back to Erica first. Yeah, so okay, she

821
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: is a great character, but like the story only affords

822
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: her like I don't know, seven or eight minutes of

823
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: screen time, Like we hardly get to see her, and

824
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: she's I think, along with Christie, the female character we

825
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,959
Speaker 1: see the most, and it's like seven's hardly anything. Yeah,

826
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: and the movie frames the whole reason like Mark creates

827
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: and expands Facebook is to like teach her a lesson

828
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 1: for not being with him almost which kind of brings

829
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: us into so the fact that Priscilla Mark's future wife

830
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: is if the story were historically accurate, Priscilla would be

831
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: present in the story at some point because she's known

832
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: Mark since about two thousand three. They've become involved in

833
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: two thousand five, so at the point that the hearings

834
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: are being shown, they would have been in a relationship

835
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: for years. He wouldn't be Facebook friend requesting Erica Albright

836
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: that we know of, um Man, I don't like I

837
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: genuinely of The one thing I'll say about Mark Zuckerberg

838
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: is I don't think that he's a cheater. I don't

839
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: think anyone wants him. Um So, I think he's loyal.

840
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: I think he's loyal to his wife, so that was slander.

841
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: Priscilla has also called the movie hurtful. She's she's written

842
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: out of it entirely. Um, and I think that, like

843
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: I I get the narrative reason for doing that, But

844
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: that's only because like what you were saying that Aaron

845
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 1: Sorkin kind of uses Erica Albright as this like narrative

846
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: engine to fuel Mark's need for revenge, right, because when

847
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: he sees her at that bar and she refuses, rightfully

848
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: refuses to like go somewhere and talk to him, because

849
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: she's like, you called me a bit on the internet,

850
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: you like body women to farm. And he's like, I

851
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: didn't end up actually doing that. It's like shut up, apologize, um,

852
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: and she's like, no, screw you, like I'm here with

853
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: my friends. And then he like runs away and he's

854
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: like we have to expand Facebook. We have to add

855
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: every school in the world, and like, yeah, she's like

856
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: poised as just like this tool within the narrative to

857
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: just like motivate him further, right, Like, yeah, we we

858
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: never find out really anything about her other than she

859
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: goes to be you and she's the best character. Yeah,

860
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: those are the things we know some other women in

861
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: the movie dacote to Johnson's in this movie. That was

862
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: the pleasant of that. I don't think I knew who

863
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: Dakota Johnson was the last time I saw this movie. Neither. Yeah,

864
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: brave of us to not know. We hadn't seen Fifty

865
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: Shades of Gray yet. Um. But there are some other

866
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: women in this movie who challenge Mark Zuckerberg for his

867
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: sexist behavior, because, make no mistake, that is mostly what

868
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: he is doing in this movie is being sexist. Um.

869
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: But these these women appear so infrequently and are given

870
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: so little narrative significance that they like you forget that

871
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: they're even there most of the time. But there's like

872
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: Rooney Mara is the main person who does this. And

873
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: then like when you see the montage of men rating

874
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: women on face mash, there's a shot of a girl

875
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: who comes in. She's like, that's my roommate, and I

876
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: think she's supposed to be like disgusted but unclear. But

877
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: then there's another she's proud, She's proud, I recognize her. Wow,

878
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: that's my roommate. Um. But then we cut to another

879
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: shot of a few women looking at facemash dot com

880
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: with like disgusted looks on their face, and then one

881
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: of them says, oh, this is pathetic. And then there's

882
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: that female student in his class who passes him a

883
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: note that says you dick um, and then he and

884
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: then and then Jesse Eisenberg gives this really dramatic pout.

885
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: He's like me dick oh no, and then he Leah

886
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: starts to leave the class, and then he answers a

887
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: question right, and we're like, oh, he's great, right exactly,

888
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: because every scene ends with like him being like I'm

889
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: the smartest person ever. And then there's like mention of

890
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: women's groups like going after him and being like face

891
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: Mash was mean, But they're always like just framed as

892
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 1: being like pesky obstacles and we don't even like see

893
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: it's unfold on screen. Right. Well, that's the main I

894
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: think issue with how women are written. They're only written

895
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: as obstacles, obstacles dressing. Yeah. So it's like the movie

896
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: tells you, oh, what he's doing to women with face

897
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: Mash is really bad, but the cinematography tells you, here's

898
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: a lot of sexy women, and let's film them at

899
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: parties and they're wet, like the the like written stuff

900
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: versus what David Fincher brings to the table is because

901
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: there's that famous like juxtaposed montage. Right, I went to

902
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: film school and and it's like the nerd boys coding,

903
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: doing their coding on the computer, um to to do

904
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: face mash not. And that's juxtaposed against the cool Harvard

905
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: boys in their final club inviting a bus full of

906
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: women into their party. And then we see shots of

907
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: them like taking their clothes off, making out with each other,

908
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: like just acting as like sexualized set dressing basically, and

909
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I keep trying to figure out what the

910
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 1: intention of this montage is. I have an idea, Well,

911
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: the best I could come up with is just that like, look, men,

912
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: whether they're like popular and cool or like nerds, neither

913
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: group likes women. But which is true? Which is true?

914
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: But then there's like kind of no comment on that.

915
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: By the moment, there's like there's it's just like and

916
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: now you get to see women kissing each other for

917
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: men's pleasure, and then and then there's no commentary. Yeah,

918
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: there's no there's well should we talk about Christie? Yes? Yes?

919
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: Uh so, Brent the song is in this movie and

920
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: I love Brenda Song. We're like, yes, Wendy, woo there

921
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: she is. Does anyone here Wendy who come coming warrior? Yeah,

922
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: hopefully a d coming. Yes, I don't know anything about London.

923
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: Tipton's in the movie. I'm watching it right. So Brenda

924
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: Song is amazing and she is is I think, very

925
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: much done dirty in this movie. Um. So she plays

926
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: a character name it's Chrissie Christie, Christie Christie who has

927
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: a friend named Alice who will we don't know. And

928
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: she gives Mark Huckerberg a blowjob in the bathroom. She

929
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: gives sheaves regret that sweet Harvard head that we've heard about,

930
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: which these two, these four people go into two bathroom

931
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: stalls right next to each other, and we're supposed to

932
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: be like, damn, may God at all. I would be like,

933
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: you can both hear your best friend in the world

934
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: getting their dick sucked right now? How are you? How

935
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: is this great for you? You guys are in a

936
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: all right, it's there. It's framed as if and they

937
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: act as if it's the best thing that happened. We

938
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: got croupies and which is which is strictly how they're

939
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: framed throughout the movie, Alice disappears pretty quickly from the narrative,

940
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: but Christie remains. We first meet Christie when Mark Zuckerberg

941
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: is saying something racist about her but that she's out

942
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: of ear shot for towards Eduardo. Um. They all later

943
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: hook up. Christie is in a relationship with Eduardo and

944
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: then I mean, she doesn't have a lot of narrative

945
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: impact she's around she I think the most impact she

946
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: has in the longest scene she's in, which is when

947
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: um Sean meets up with Eduardo and says, drop the

948
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: eighth cleaner, Like that's that scene. She spends the entire

949
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: scene being like, WARNO, calmed down, give me another apple, Tenny.

950
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: That is her contribution. She gets apple tenies and because Sean,

951
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: that's the also the only I'm like, I wonder if

952
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: Aaron Sorghum is even trying to be sexist or if

953
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: that was just happened to be how sexist he is.

954
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: But the only time someone directly addresses her in that

955
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: scene is when the waiter comes by and it's like,

956
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: what would you like and Sean turns to we were like, oh, yeah,

957
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: Brenda's song is in this scene, and justin Timber, like

958
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: like you choose, and she's like apple tennis and that's

959
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: all she says. The scripts probably is like Sean turns

960
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: to her, giving her agency and he's just like yeah,

961
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: I did it, yeah, just like yeah, it's like another

962
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: day's work. Yeah, And then he puts his male feminist

963
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: T shirt bout gone and goes to bed. Tomorrow begins

964
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: production on Molly's Game, My female protagonist movie. Uh he's

965
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: a weird man, but yeah, so so. Christie Is is

966
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: sidelined for most of the part she's in, and then

967
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: very suddenly Eduardo goes to Palo Alto and then comes

968
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: back and all of a sudden, Christie has just she's

969
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: gone off the rails and she is all of a sudden,

970
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: we have no information to believe that she is a

971
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: jealous girlfriend. Prior to this, she's very chill. She's ordering

972
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: Apple Apple teen, she's around. All of a sudden, she

973
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: shows up and Andrew Garfield's dorm and is like I

974
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: sent to forty seven texts and like she's just is

975
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: made to seem so irrational so quickly. There's nothing that

976
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: I saw to indicate that she was like at all.

977
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: She lights his ship on fire, and then two seconds

978
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: later is like, are you leaving? Like they just make

979
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: her seem so irrational out of nowhere, and it's it's

980
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: just because she's being written as an obstacle to him

981
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: very suddenly that's her importance in that scene. She's in

982
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: the way of Eduardo being with Facebook. Can I give

983
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,439
Speaker 1: an honest to God, like what I truly believe happened here.

984
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: I think that they shot the movie or like wrote

985
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: it all that had it done, got to the end,

986
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: and someone was like, what happened to Christie? And they're

987
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: like and they went back. They went back. We're like,

988
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: we gotta write her out somehow, and they're like make

989
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: her crazy. And he's like, I don't want anything to

990
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: do because it's like all in one scene. If it's

991
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: turn happened, the scene could be excise from the movie

992
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: and it would just be like, oh right, I guess

993
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: Brenda Song died right right? But they do. I feel

994
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: like they do worse than just make her disappear. They

995
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: like make her every like negative girlfriend trope that exists

996
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: that she lights it on fire and we see her

997
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: he's and and then so we have to understand when

998
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: he dumps her and then she's gone from the movie

999
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: and like a perfect that. I like that, that makes sense.

1000
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: I also love her line, have you ever seen me

1001
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: wear a scarf? Is? That? Was like that was their

1002
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: version of like, she's got to hate the scarf for

1003
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: some reason, she's never had a scarf. There we go,

1004
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: She's know what a scarf is? Like? There, what's this?

1005
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: She was what the fund is there? That doesn't go

1006
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: on my on my foot? He's like, no, they even

1007
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: a scarf. She's like, are you fucking me with me

1008
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: right now? I don't know what this is? I let

1009
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: fire it just it was so ridiculous and just like

1010
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: a character that has been like insulted in the first

1011
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: line of dialogue, ignored for an hour and then there

1012
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: and then immediately like gotten rid of by being like, oh,

1013
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: she's like yeah, the crazy Troupe, It's yeah. She's it's

1014
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: so inconsistent the way she's characterized. And then there's that

1015
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: scene where Mark has decided to expand and he's delegating

1016
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: to Timmy from Drastic Park. He's like, your marketing or something.

1017
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: You're Timmy, not the actor, but the dustin whatever. He

1018
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: has twelve billion dollars isn't that upsetting? Yes, he should

1019
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: be illegal, Bernie. We're making Dustin illegal, thank you. Yeah,

1020
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,439
Speaker 1: I want everybody involved in Facebook to go to jail.

1021
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: That's pretty good, except for the Winkle Bosses. They can stay.

1022
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: They're in my cabinet. But we're switching the American economy

1023
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: to wink coins. Andrew Yang's like, everyone gets one wink

1024
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: coin a month. Um. I feel like Andrew Yang and

1025
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: the Winkle Bosses know each other. It does seems like

1026
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: they know each other for sure. They text. I don't

1027
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: know anyway. So there's that scene where Mark is delegating

1028
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: tasks to his roommates who are now all billionaires, and

1029
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: then Christie and Alice or like, can we do anything

1030
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: to help? And Mark is just like no, moving on

1031
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: dustin your head of marketing, Like yeah, And then Sean

1032
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: Parker's treatment of female characters is kind of the same.

1033
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: There's very strong suggestions by the movie that I'm like,

1034
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: I wonder if Aaron Sorkin had research that indicated this,

1035
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: because it comes up a lot of times, but I

1036
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: couldn't find anything on it that that Sean Parker is

1037
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: around underage women a lot and like applying them with

1038
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: alcohol the entire time. Anytime Sean Parker is around a woman,

1039
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: someone walks in the room, is like, how old is

1040
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: that woman? Like such a strong allegation. There's got to

1041
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: be something to there. There was like I looked so

1042
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: hard to see, like is there bait? But so I

1043
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: just have to imagine it was one of his interviews

1044
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: or he's mean like that was just but I mean

1045
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: that that like drug right on the Palo Alto house.

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01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: That was true and like, but there was nothing indicated

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01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,959
Speaker 1: about the age of people there. So Sarkin knows something

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01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: we don't. I don't know join this Patreon. I don't know.

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01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: He screwed out by Napster somehow, and he's like, I'll

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01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:19,959
Speaker 1: show you. Yes, he was an independent uh. I also

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01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: love that in his very first scene they sort of

1052
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: set him up as like, well, he's a good guy

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01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: because he knows everything about this this college girl. Yes.

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01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: I was confused about how that scene was supposed to

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01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: come off. The sem of referencing is the Dakota Johnson

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01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: scene whereas we first meet Sean Parker, he's dressed in

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01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: a crisp white linen waking up after a one night stand,

1058
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: as if that's ever happened, Like, imagine someone looking nice.

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01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, I would prefer they were out of my house.

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01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: But he wakes up he's at a college student's house.

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01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: He is not a college student, that's what we know.

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01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: And then there's immediately that that you know, thing that

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01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: goes through where he checks to you know, Dakota Johnson says, oh,

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01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: you're not fifteen or something, and he's like, no, or

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: you because it's just that is how the movie treats him,

1066
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: maximum which like fool me once, right, right, But then

1067
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: as she is like, I bet you don't remember anything

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01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: about me, and then he remembers too much everything about her,

1069
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: and he's like, I remember you. Your name is blah

1070
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: blah blah, you go to blah blah blah. Your social

1071
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: Security number is zero. Like he knows so much, and

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01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: I think this is supposed to come off as oh,

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01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: he's a nice guy, But to me, I'm like, if

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Speaker 1: someone knew and even if I told them that much,

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01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: and then I slept with him and they woke up

1076
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: at my house and they're like, your name is Jamie

1077
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: Bethany Loftus. I would be like, oh my god, leave

1078
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: my apartment. It feels like you're in like Minority Report.

1079
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: You just woke up like here's your identity. But it

1080
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: also feels like he woke up in the middle of

1081
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: the night and memorize these facts because he's like, this

1082
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: happens all the time. I'm not gonna And that's when

1083
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: you put on that clean shirt. Think yeah, this scene,

1084
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 1: this scene is there to remind you that justent timber

1085
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 1: like it's actually not a good actor, because that's the

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01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: scene where he does the crisp white linen and then

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01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, this is your name, this is where

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01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: you come from, and and she's like, okay, I'm gonna

1089
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: take a shower. And then he opens her laptop which

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01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: is open to the Facebook dot com and he goes oh.

1091
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: We're like, oh my god, he's got like a boner. Yeah,

1092
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: he's like. And then he's like, well what is this.

1093
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: She's like, it's Facebook. Everyone loves it. And then he's like,

1094
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: I gotta find you, Margaret. This is my favorite. It's

1095
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: like an evil an evil villain line. He's like, I

1096
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: have to find you big. You're like, all right, he's

1097
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 1: a terrible actor. He's the worst actor of all time.

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01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: I like when he flinches though that that part is

1099
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: so when Andrew Gard feels about to punch him. I

1100
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: also I don't remember like the context of how we

1101
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: all looked at the Internet in like two thousand eight

1102
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: or whatever. But if you open someone's computer and saw

1103
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: a website you didn't recognize, you wouldn't be like, wait

1104
01:09:55,439 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 1: a minute, what is What's so? Like he's he's a

1105
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: media like something's here, Like I want five versions of

1106
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: this scene where he opens it. It's like asked dot com.

1107
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait wait, I want to find and

1108
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: replace version of this movie where it's just like it's

1109
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: the entire thing is just like geo cities. Every line

1110
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: is dubbed like if you were inventor of geo cities,

1111
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: you would invent a geo city. I want the line

1112
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: from me where he's like, and now I have to

1113
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: do is find you, Jeeves. There's something something similar happens

1114
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: to what you're talking about, dummy. Earlier in the movie

1115
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: where apparently everyone on Earth reads Mark Zuckerberg's live journal,

1116
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: because there's a student at BU who like comes into

1117
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 1: Erica Albrid's dorm room with a bra and he uses

1118
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: a transphobic slur. But uh, and he would have only

1119
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: known anything about that if he had read Mark Zuckerberg's blog,

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01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: like everyone's blogging to zuck on it their home. Yeah,

1121
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: this is back when they were only like five web pages.

1122
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: That was another one of my favorite badly written like

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01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,719
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Eron Sorkin didn't grow up with the internet

1124
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: lines where like Erica's roommate walks into the room and

1125
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: it's like, Erica, he's blogging about you, and you're like,

1126
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: no one has ever said that, thank you, nameless female character. Right. Um,

1127
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: So to conclude what I think we were originally talking about,

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01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: Christie has not treated well in the movie. So, I

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01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: mean the way Asian women especially are talked about and

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01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: then depicted in the movie is really not good, very disrespectful. Yeah,

1131
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: and and and it's kind of like this is another

1132
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: thing that it's like, Um, Aaron Sorkin had the source

1133
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: material to not do this, Like Mark Zuckerberg, for all

1134
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: of his war crimes, did have female friends in college. Um,

1135
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: and female friends that like he hung out with and

1136
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: knew the names of and didn't yell at his mommy, mommy,

1137
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,560
Speaker 1: and I'm where was mrs Z? The mrs Z visibility

1138
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: wasn't an all time loan in this um But what

1139
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: were we talking? Oh no about the whole Asian women thing.

1140
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: I do feel it feels like a curious choice given

1141
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: that like Zuckerberg's wife is an Asian woman, yes, and

1142
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: that he was dating her while this movie was supposed

1143
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: to have been happening. And there's like like that line before,

1144
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: like when they go to the a pie party and

1145
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: they talk about how Jewish men and Asian women like

1146
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: are like meant to be together, and I was just like,

1147
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: this feels pointed and unnecessary. It's like, like, what what

1148
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: are the filmmakers trying to accomplish with that? It was

1149
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: very very weird. Yeah. And then there's also I mean

1150
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: what we were talking about a little bit earlier, and

1151
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 1: we've referenced as there's a few um characters in this

1152
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: movie who were people of color who were played by

1153
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: white actors, which you're just like, Okay, David Fincher, we

1154
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: get it. Yes, Well, if it's yourself was busy, then

1155
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: I guess right, you're like Jesus Christ. This movie was

1156
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: produced by Kevin Spacey, and there was my my boyfriend

1157
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: Isaac Brave. Wow, what was pointing out? Nay, I would say,

1158
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: explaining to us the fact that no, he's great, he'll

1159
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: be selling mer chapter the show. Um. But he was

1160
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 1: telling us when we were rewatching the movie last night

1161
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 1: that there are multiple producers of this movie who have

1162
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: been on the lowly to express. Um. We're talking obviously

1163
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey been on the low Leader Express. I believe

1164
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: David Fincher was on that list of names. Scott Reuden

1165
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: is also on that list of name. So we have

1166
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: three major players involved in the social network that have

1167
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: been on Jeffrey Epstein's plane. So, um, just a reminder

1168
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: that we live in hell. Thank you. Do you think

1169
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: that they were on that plane only because they were

1170
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: looking for Sean Parker. We're doing research, like you're just like, Uh,

1171
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: Aaron Sorkin not invited on the plane? So um, feminist horrible? Um.

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01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other final thoughts? Uh? No, we've

1173
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: barely scratched the surface, and yet we're running. And I

1174
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: have a quote from Mark Zuckerberg that I wanted to

1175
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: share about what he like. He was basically asked, well,

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01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: if what Aaron Sorkin wrote wasn't what happened during the

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01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: making of Facebook, what was happening and I'll do my

1178
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: best Mark Zuckerberg here, Okay, but I think it's such

1179
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: a big disconnect from the way people who make movies

1180
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: think about what we do in Silicon Valley. We're building stuff.

1181
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 1: They just can't wrap their head around the idea that

1182
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: someone might build something just because they like building things.

1183
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: So that's what Mark Zuckerberg said is actually happening. They

1184
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: were building things. That was That's all that was happening.

1185
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: Ignore the blood shed. Um um. I think we have

1186
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 1: a few moments for some audience questions and comments and contributions.

1187
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: Does anyone and if you have something, we have another mix.

1188
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: So if you want to come up and do we

1189
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: have any Oh yeah, so come on down, come on down.

1190
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, uh so I actually came out. I didn't

1191
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,879
Speaker 1: watch a movie. I just love you guys. And I'm

1192
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: not clear if we covered or not. Is or is

1193
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:10,759
Speaker 1: not the movie about a network that was bitten social?

1194
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 1: Oh question, thank you so much. So this is for

1195
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: people who follow me on Twitter and who are familiar

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01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: with the very stupid joke. I refuse to stop doing it.

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01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 1: The movie is not about a network bitten by a

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01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: radio active social and that's why it's bad. Thank you

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01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: so much. None of the reasons we described. I might

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01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: argue that it is if the network is just the

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01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 1: Internet as a whole, in the radio active social is

1202
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: the final clubs. Okay, that's an interesting proposition, but you're wrong.

1203
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: This leaves it in a gray area for me. Still,

1204
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: I'd like answer, Oh, I can't don't have anything, thank you,

1205
01:16:55,680 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 1: thank you? Does anyone else? Hi? What's your name? Name?

1206
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: Hi names Jamie? Hi? Hi, jam I also went to

1207
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: college in Boston. Yes, I know, we know, of course

1208
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: we know. So we know that Mark Zuckerberg isn't exactly human.

1209
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: So I have to ask on the range wet scabs

1210
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: or dry scab? Does Mark? Okay, the question being for

1211
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: those of you who aren't familiar with the age old question,

1212
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: does beetle juice come wet scabs or dry scabs? Jamie

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01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 1: seeks to extend this question further. Does Mark Zuckerberg come

1214
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg's Halloween character? I think yes, I think he's

1215
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: Halloween cannon um and he comes lines of code? Do

1216
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: you do you think he comes lines of code? You

1217
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: think he comes content? I think I'm gonna go I'm

1218
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: gonna I'm still gonna go dry for this one, and

1219
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: just a reminder, the sound of coming dry scabs kind

1220
01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: of sounds like a deck of cards being shuffled, um,

1221
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: whereas coming wet scalps sounds like a laser jet printer

1222
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: printing full color pages. Every time Marks like aberg comes,

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01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: it's the beginning of the matrix. That's my fear. I've

1224
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: Code coming down the window. Oh, that's just Marks first

1225
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 1: come at the thing with that movie. Interesting, that's what

1226
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: he was referring to with that line, like if you

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01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: knew what you were looking for, you would have seen

1228
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: it out my window. Just his lines of I'm I'm

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01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: all for team Code Come, could come any other Yeah,

1230
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: come on down. I think Code comes one of the

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01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 1: companies that's in the controversy section first week. Hello. Hi, Hi,

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01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm Adrianna. Hi. So I just kind of want to

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01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 1: get your take. How do you think that Sarkin would

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01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: have handled all the me and mar and like us, Senate,

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01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 1: would you handled it? Yes? Well, there's a sequel coming

1236
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: out this, The Social Tutorwork, an extremely social network movie.

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01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 1: That's it. The um, how would I I don't know,

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01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't trust Aaron's or going to handle

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01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: anything responsibly or will. Really, I think he would have

1240
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: probably taken about what happened and then made it sound

1241
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: five hundred times more annoying than what actually happened. I

1242
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: think he's like, what if the people in me and

1243
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: mar were really quippy like and you're like, that's not

1244
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: the point of the story, sir um. Yeah, he would

1245
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: have just been really obnoxious about He would have done

1246
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,560
Speaker 1: a lot of research and then somehow still done a

1247
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: major disservice to everybody involved. I think it would have

1248
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: just been like that scene in the newsroom where Gabby

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01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: Gifford's get shots and then everyone's running around and like

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Speaker 1: coplays fix you plays. If you haven't seen that scene,

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01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: please please go and watch. That is the quintessential Wow.

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01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 1: We really let Aaron Sorkin do this multiple times, right.

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01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 1: It sucks because when it works, it worked really well,

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01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: and when it's horrible, you clenched so hard your whole

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Speaker 1: seal like it's like wild, we have time for one word, person,

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Speaker 1: you ask at the same time. All right. So I

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Speaker 1: did notice that Christie did actually have a prompt for

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Speaker 1: why she went crazy, and it was that he didn't

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01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: change his relationship status on his Facebook and his excuse

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01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: was that he didn't know how right though he wrote

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Speaker 1: the original code, but the algorithm the whole, so he

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01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: was lying in that scene. Yeah, he was lying. I

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Speaker 1: thank you for that. Thank you. Yes he is a asshole.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. And then you've caught up. God damn it. Hi,

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01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 1: I'm Ashley. I really loved what you guys said about

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01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: justin timber Lake. But as someone who has watched his

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01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: Man in the Woods trailer several dozen times and made

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Speaker 1: fun of it and has it probably memorized, I was

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Speaker 1: hoping because I know you guys are almost out of time,

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Speaker 1: but if you had any more material on Justin Timberlake,

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Speaker 1: I would just really like to hear. Um. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: genuinely I think well, first of all, justin Timberlake is

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Speaker 1: I think a good ish musician. I think that Future

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Speaker 1: Sex Love Sounds is one of my still one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite albums. I will sometimes turn it on during

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Speaker 1: a date, which I wouldn't recommend. Um. I've also turned

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Speaker 1: on the Jeks during a date. So um, justin here,

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01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's the most talented of like

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Speaker 1: he maybe one of the few boy band people who

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Speaker 1: is marketed as the most talented and is the most

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01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 1: talented because they were always trying to be like Nick

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01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: Carter's such a good singer, and you're like, but I

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01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: can hear him, like, you know, so I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: stop gaslighting me. He's not good. It clearly Brian's the star, right,

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01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: So Brian was the star than from Backstreet Boys. Everyone

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01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: was just being mean to Brian because he had a

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01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: hard condition that was literally he was really embarrassing. I

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01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: went to see the Backstreet Boys the night before eleven

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01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:39,560
Speaker 1: and no coincidence, anyways, I wanted to see that. That

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01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 1: was my first time seeing the Backstreet Boys, and I

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01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: loved Brian so much. And I was eight, and I

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01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: brought a sign that said I heart you, and the

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01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 1: heart was damaged because he had a heart condition. I

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01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:58,799
Speaker 1: said I. I was like, I broke and like, funked

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01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: up heart you, Brian. So you did that on purpose?

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Speaker 1: I did. I thought I was being empathetic to his

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Speaker 1: heart condition. That's what I have to say about justin Timberley. Also,

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Speaker 1: I love you, guys, and I'm sorry to compliment a man.

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01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: During the Bechtel cast, Demi Daddy Kiss is one of

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01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: my favorite songs. Thank you. Some of you have no

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01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: context for that phrase, and I'll keep it that way. Yeah,

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01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: don't take up too much space. Steal it, steal it

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Speaker 1: off of Napster. Also, lastly, apparently Shaun Parker did not

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01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: found Napster. He had best co founded it, but generally

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01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: he was just a high ranking employee who took all

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01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: the credit. Oh I didn't know that. Yeah, well the

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01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: show's over. No, I'm kidding. It doesn't pass the Becktel test. Also,

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01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't even like Okay, so women are

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01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: barely in the same room together in the movie. But

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Speaker 1: I feel like, at the very least, the attorney that

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01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 1: represents Eduardo and uh Rashida Jones could have said, give

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01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: them two lines, I want to go to Chipotle. No,

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01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: it could have also just stopped at Montage and had

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01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 1: the women that are kissing just like I really like

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01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: kissing you Christie, Yeah you too, Margot, and then get

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01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: right back at it. Yeah, I've been like feminist text done.

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01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: But no, it does not pass the Backdel test. What

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Speaker 1: would we rate this on her nipple scale zero to

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01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 1: five nipples based on its representation of women? Um, I'm

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01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: going to give it like a half nipple and it's

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01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 1: all for Erica Albright, who is not a real person,

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01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: and most of the other characters in the movie she's

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01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 1: based on a real person. But we should have seen her.

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01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 1: This story should have been told from her point of

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01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 1: She should have been like Delilah from Hey there, Delilah,

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01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: and like it's me she should but whatever. Anyways, Yeah,

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01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 1: I'll also go half nipple. I'm giving mine to Christie

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01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 1: because Wendy Wood deserved better. I feel like I can't

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01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: go higher, so I'm also gonna go half nipple, and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give mine to Sharon, who for those of

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01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: you who have seen the movie, oh, exactly right, she's

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01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 1: the woman who can't catch a beer bottle. Right, Mike

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01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg hurls two beers at her and they both shot.

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01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 1: I wish that scene went on forever. I think it's great,

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01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: especially because you know, David Fincher does like a hundred

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01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 1: takes of everything, so they could have been like, all right, newtake, alright,

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01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: just put all of them in the editing time back after.

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01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 1: I also love that her entire introduction is this is

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01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 1: my Sharon, and then just like you don't have anything

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01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: more to really do the thing about Sharon is she

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01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: can't catch a beer bottle? Where is the franchise script

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01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 1: for that said, Sharon can't catch a beer bottle? Right?

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01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: Fellas well, Demi, thank you so much for being here.

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01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 1: Give it up for bang uh and and elite third

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01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: time guests. Yes, you've joined a club, a final club,

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01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 1: a bile club if you will, so now you don't

1347
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 1: need to invent something that will ruin us all. My

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01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 1: best friend mine, where can people follow you online? I'm

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01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 1: at Electra lemon on Everything and uh watch Ionia. I

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01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: believe it's on Hulu and Paddington. While you're at it,

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01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 1: watch Paddington. Thank you so much for coming to the

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01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 1: show and we'll see you next year. Thank you all right, gang,

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01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 1: that's our live show on the social network ding. We

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01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 1: have so many people to thank, First of all, uh

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01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: to our wonderful guest Demi Didju e Bay, as well

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01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: as everyone who came for crying out loud that such

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01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 1: a fun show, so fun. Thanks for coming. Thanks for

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01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: anyone who bought merch that really helps us out. Thanks

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01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 1: to everyone who asked a question or made a comment.

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01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: Thank you too. Oh I don't remember their name off

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01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:26,639
Speaker 1: the top of my head. But um, the person who

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01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: made us the laser cut Paddingtonton's. That was real. That

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01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: was a thrill. I carry it with me like a

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01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:37,520
Speaker 1: totem from an inception. Oh my gosh, I love my Paddington's.

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01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 1: Because whoever you are pleased tweet at us or like

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01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 1: post on Instagram, you did at the time. I just

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01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: wish I can remember. Yeah, we're we're horrible, We're bad,

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01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:50,600
Speaker 1: but we're kids. We're canceled. But please let us know

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01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: who you are and we will give you the du credit.

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01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: It was really Thank you so much for that nice, nice,

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01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: nice gift. Thank you to the Gateway Theater. Thank you

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01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 1: to Isaac Taylor, uh and uh yeah in a sketch

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01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: fest for having us again. Everyone was so lovely and

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01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: h we packed out the damn place. It was such

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01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 1: a blast. Um. Yeah, So you can find us at

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01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 1: all the normal places. You can find us at bechtel

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01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: cast dot com. You can find us on Twitter, Instagram

1378
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 1: at bechtel Cast. We don't really check the Facebook, even

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01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: though let's see, yeah, we didn't even talk about how

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01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 1: we are basically absent on Facebook. It's a website for

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01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: no if I mean, if you're a boomer and you're listening. Um,

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01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 1: it's your website. It's your website, now, enjoy it. We're

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01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: not really on it, but we have a page on

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01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,560
Speaker 1: it anyways, Yes, but it is. It is helpful to

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01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 1: check our social networks because we have live shows coming up,

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01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 1: so you know, give us five stars on iTunes while

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01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 1: you're at it. We always forget to ask for that. Um.

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01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: And then you can join our Patreon ak mate Rihon

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Speaker 1: at patreon dot com, slash backtel Cast five dollars a

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Speaker 1: month gives you two bonus episodes. Incredible, Wow, what a

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Speaker 1: what a bargain. But uh, and then also our merch

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Speaker 1: becktel Cast. We've got shirts, we've got mugs, we've got

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Speaker 1: all the items you could possibly want. We've got kisses,

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01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:27,639
Speaker 1: we've got hugs with consent of course. Oh yeah, and yeah,

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01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: thank you for listening. Thanks to everyone who was there.

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01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I think it goes us saying

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Speaker 1: let the hacking end. Bye,