Speaker 1: M h Welcome to episode two forty two. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to Clint Black and just a little bit. Always fun
Speaker 1: to talk to people you love when you were a
Speaker 1: kid who's got new music out too. But we definitely
Speaker 1: get into a lot of the nineties stuff before we
Speaker 1: turn the mics on here, Mike, you had asked me
Speaker 1: if I had heard the new Dixie Chick song, and
Speaker 1: I haven't because I guess the song came out today, right.
Speaker 1: I woke up today and for the first time in
Speaker 1: five years, I want to play golf today. Eddie and
Speaker 1: Amy hasn't been and I wouldn't play it. So I
Speaker 1: haven't really done anything. I just you know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go over music here, but I'm just not feeling a
Speaker 1: lot of music right now, oddly for a music podcast.
Speaker 1: I don't know if if it's because I'm really not
Speaker 1: listening to as much music because I'm not commuting ever um,
Speaker 1: or if nothing's really hitting me right now. And we'll
Speaker 1: go through some new stuff, maybe some of this stuff
Speaker 1: will hit you. But I was more excited talk to
Speaker 1: Clint Black about the nineties than I have anything new
Speaker 1: coming out today. You know. Um, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people are feeling that way right now. Once we
Speaker 1: get back to uh what normal, I think some of
Speaker 1: our normal habits will kind of kicked back in. But
Speaker 1: have you been listening to new music at all? This week?
Speaker 1: Is probably like the first week I started listening to
Speaker 1: some new stuff. What did you listen to that's new? Um?
Speaker 1: I listened to like, I've been listening to Machine Gun
Speaker 1: Kelly a lot. And you put out a new song
Speaker 1: today and I was checking it out and it's weird
Speaker 1: because I know him as a rapper, but a lot
Speaker 1: of the stuff he's putting out is a lot more
Speaker 1: alternative sounding. Is he's singing, yeah, and he's playing guitar
Speaker 1: a lot, So I like the sound everybody being post
Speaker 1: Malone now basically pretty much like he didn't never, He
Speaker 1: didn't have that sound before. Now it's like he's on
Speaker 1: alternative radio. It's weird. I gotta feel like post Malone
Speaker 1: created that space. Like rapper, but you can also do
Speaker 1: rock if you're not to play guitar, Yeah, using real instruments.
Speaker 1: That's all. Yeah, that's all him. Alright, Well, let's start
Speaker 1: with some new music out this week, and I we'll
Speaker 1: start with the Dixie Chicks song because you had brought
Speaker 1: that up to me. The Dixie Chicks were supposed to
Speaker 1: put a gas lighter the whole album m It was
Speaker 1: the first record of fourteen years, but it's been has
Speaker 1: been pushed back in definitely because of Corona. But they
Speaker 1: did about this new song, and it is called Julianna. Julianna, Julianna, Julianna.
Speaker 1: You said Julianna. Somehow you said Julianna. I hear is Julianna.
Speaker 1: Calm down. I guess this is the time to remind
Speaker 1: you sometimes what's going through your head. It's just a
Speaker 1: temperate situation and I would soon be shared. Just put on,
Speaker 1: put on, put on your best shoes, and stra to
Speaker 1: fucking round like you've got nothing to lose. Shoot off,
Speaker 1: shoot off, shoot off your best moves, and do it
Speaker 1: with a smile, so then no one knows it's put on,
Speaker 1: put on, put on vibe. I can't really find the
Speaker 1: chorus because I'm hearing it from a random time. Is
Speaker 1: that the chorus? Like that part towards like maybe twenty
Speaker 1: seconds into the chorus, put on, put on and Katie
Speaker 1: calm down. You know it sounds like a slightly country
Speaker 1: Florence in the Machine. Oh yeah, it kind of does.
Speaker 1: But I was hearing again and I was going, right,
Speaker 1: what am I hearing here? Pay play that from the
Speaker 1: beginning again, just with a clip. Guess this is the
Speaker 1: time to remind you sometimes what's going through your head.
Speaker 1: It's just a temperate situation. Do you hear that like
Speaker 1: the Florence Welch kind of? I mean, yeah, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: probably like that. I can't tell from hearing this one
Speaker 1: clip of a song, but that sounds like like my
Speaker 1: kind of vibe. They're oddly hard to get a hold of,
Speaker 1: meaning they didn't want to be interviewed or they don't
Speaker 1: want me to interview them. And I think I've been
Speaker 1: one of the biggest advocates, oddly, but I can't get
Speaker 1: any of them to talk to me, which is weird
Speaker 1: because usually that's not the not the case, it's the opposite.
Speaker 1: People are trying to get on because of, you know,
Speaker 1: the platform that we have. So but the Dixie Chick
Speaker 1: has been weird because I've been like pro Dixie Chick
Speaker 1: forever and they just have like we're gonna wait from Boby.
Speaker 1: Weren't talking to him? Uh, I don't know why. Let's
Speaker 1: go here and Now from Kenny Chesney. This is record nineteen.
Speaker 1: Is that right? Here's the title track, here and now now,
Speaker 1: nowhere in this world, and here's a song called Everyone
Speaker 1: she Knows She's and the medico down mood. She's sick
Speaker 1: to something love but the letters just too cold. She's
Speaker 1: a mar Jeans. I mean it definitely sounds like Kenny.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. At the nineteen records, I mean, Kenny was out,
Speaker 1: you know, he started some of those guys that are
Speaker 1: just called nineties country. We're still around kicking and they're
Speaker 1: considered nineties country. But Kenny started then as well and
Speaker 1: has managed to continue. Look out. When his first record
Speaker 1: came out, I think I think I looked at it earlier.
Speaker 1: It was like ninety one. I want to say, wow,
Speaker 1: was it? I was looking to all his albums earlier,
Speaker 1: just to make sure. Like Kenny and McGraw are two
Speaker 1: guys where if they had stopped after a few big
Speaker 1: records or had kind of petered out, they'd be considered
Speaker 1: legacy acts. But they have just continued to produce, continue
Speaker 1: to put out hits. Man, if it was nine one,
Speaker 1: I'll be shocked and see studio albums even then says
Speaker 1: early Wow, Wow, good for him. I like Kenny. I
Speaker 1: got to set with Kenny wants or sit with Kenny
Speaker 1: on stage and it was just him and I and
Speaker 1: he played acoustic the whole time and we were talking
Speaker 1: to interviews and make jokes and stuff. But he's a
Speaker 1: just a really good singer. You know, when you think
Speaker 1: of the big singers, you don't think of Kenny Chessen
Speaker 1: that you think of a guy Kenn. He just puts
Speaker 1: out the beach hits and but just sitting there acoustic
Speaker 1: with the guitar, it was surprisingly good. The k is
Speaker 1: Silent from Hot Country Nights. This is Dirk Spentley's nineties
Speaker 1: influenced comedy band. This was always a bit difficult because
Speaker 1: the songs are pretty good. They're even good and funny,
Speaker 1: but it was always weird to talk to them on
Speaker 1: radio because it's such a visual thing and I would
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes it wouldn't come across like I wanted
Speaker 1: it to on radio because unless you could see them,
Speaker 1: you really weren't getting the joke because it just sounds
Speaker 1: like Dirk dark manly making jokes, and so that was
Speaker 1: this was always the thing that we had to juggle
Speaker 1: on the radio with Dirk's as Doug Douglason because he
Speaker 1: would come on and be moderately funny, but what he
Speaker 1: was wearing was hilarious. But people can't see what he's
Speaker 1: wearing when they're listening to live, so that was always
Speaker 1: a juggle for me. I would imagine they're kind of
Speaker 1: done with this project at this point, especially they were
Speaker 1: gonna go on a little tour, but that got cut,
Speaker 1: as did everybody else's. But they had songs that were good,
Speaker 1: that were aside from the funniness of it, had good hooks.
Speaker 1: Here is Sorry, Hot Country Nights with Travis Tritt a
Speaker 1: song called pick Her Up Up, Dance Around. You know
Speaker 1: what's funny is the three artists we've talked about so far,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get to Clint Black in a
Speaker 1: second Dixie Chicks nineties two thousand's Kenny Chats and he
Speaker 1: started in right what he said, And then Derk Spanley's
Speaker 1: band is that nineties uh pop parody band? I mean
Speaker 1: that nineties. It's the real retro in vogue thing right now.
Speaker 1: Either you came from the nineties and you're making a
Speaker 1: new sound or you're new and you're making a nineties sound.
Speaker 1: As long as you've got some feeling of the nineties,
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, I accept that, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that at all? Why is that though?
Speaker 1: The nineties? Well, I think that's when country music went
Speaker 1: massively mainstream, so all the big stars are there. You
Speaker 1: think it will ever shift to a different decade or
Speaker 1: is just something about the nineties. I think it's that
Speaker 1: that was the Garth, Brooks and Done. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think for a while it was probably the sixties. I
Speaker 1: don't know there was ever a seventies and eighties boom
Speaker 1: maybe you know, but but nineties, and I don't think
Speaker 1: the two thousands were great just generally speaking. I think
Speaker 1: it's you know, the most songs. When you think of
Speaker 1: all those massive songs from the nineties, I mean McGraw, Garth,
Speaker 1: Dixie Chicks, even you know, Chesney, Joe, Diffy, Clinton Black,
Speaker 1: We're Gonna I mean, it was just a really good
Speaker 1: time for country music. A lot of money was going
Speaker 1: in to support it because they were seeing that it
Speaker 1: can make a lot of money. So I can't see
Speaker 1: the two thousands. Maybe you know, you have like a
Speaker 1: Luke Combs tribute band, later in like maybe which Luke
Speaker 1: has a new song out too. That's interesting. Now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna think about that. Why the nineties A couple of reasons.
Speaker 1: When I think the age of all the people making
Speaker 1: decisions were nineties listeners. The adults now we're big nineties kids.
Speaker 1: So the people that are making the decision as adults,
Speaker 1: the music that's getting made, the the artists for a
Speaker 1: lot of them, or nineties influence. I think that's probably
Speaker 1: what it is. And then the stars that's the biggest
Speaker 1: generation of country stars. Luke Hombs has officially released six
Speaker 1: ft Apart. We played the YouTube version a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, but this song is up to stream. Mom,
Speaker 1: Mr Mystery. You know, I saw the title of this,
Speaker 1: and I think I mentioned this on last week's podcast.
Speaker 1: I thought, how in the world is he gonna do
Speaker 1: a song that's not cheesy about quarantine? Because I've heard
Speaker 1: a hundred of them and they're almost all cheesy. This
Speaker 1: is a pretty good one. I mean, everything he writes
Speaker 1: right now just turns into gold. I played the all right,
Speaker 1: He played the Opery and I was hosting it last
Speaker 1: week and it was great. He played this at the
Speaker 1: Opery last week, kept More put out a new song
Speaker 1: called Crazy for You Tonight Mama, Yeah, Crazy Crazy. Brett
Speaker 1: Young put out a new song called Lady. Here's Brett
Speaker 1: Young just back your Mama and love can do. You'll
Speaker 1: see close to perfect patience. If you want your every move,
Speaker 1: you can always run into daddy. Let gonna see what
Speaker 1: else we got here? I guess some other stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: what's your favorite on the list here? I don't want
Speaker 1: to go through all these what's your favorite on the
Speaker 1: list that we haven't played? Why do you see your
Speaker 1: machine gun? Kelly song? Kelly? We here this one. I
Speaker 1: don't do freak off, but I'll take song from mute.
Speaker 1: It does sound like uh, fall out boy. It meets
Speaker 1: like an angry blank one rock Field. Yeah, it does
Speaker 1: street this night. That you have any jack that's straight
Speaker 1: alternative stuff that's not that's crazy. I would never guess
Speaker 1: that was a machine on Kelly. Huh. I mean that
Speaker 1: sounds like your style though, yeah, very much so. It
Speaker 1: sounds like it sounds like he showed up late for
Speaker 1: Warp Tour about five years like his style is a
Speaker 1: little a little beyond that. But he could have fit
Speaker 1: in Marshmallow and Halsey. I saw them laying on the
Speaker 1: ground together on Instagram. I guess like a promotion for
Speaker 1: this song. This is called be Kind alright, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: um let's see if there's anything else I want it.
Speaker 1: I'll just mentioned some of this um him him him.
Speaker 1: I thought it was Hime, but when I got no
Speaker 1: reaction back to him him him. The three sisters they
Speaker 1: have a I know alone. I don't need to play that.
Speaker 1: Gabby Barrett has a song featuring Shane and Shane. I
Speaker 1: don't know what Shane and Shane is. I thought it
Speaker 1: was like a Shane and Shane company, like a jewelry company.
Speaker 1: Do you ever see that car from It's a Cren duo?
Speaker 1: Oh it is. Yeah, imagine both our names, Shane, Shane
Speaker 1: and Shane. All right. Hardy has a new song called Boots.
Speaker 1: Let me hear a little bit of Mitchell Tinpennies cover
Speaker 1: of Someone You Loved by Louis Capaldi. Now the Dedly
Speaker 1: Far Okay, start, let's start it over and I I
Speaker 1: like Mitchell. No, Mitchell a little bit? Is he using
Speaker 1: auto tune on this? Yeah? You can hear it. I
Speaker 1: thought so too. It's like, man, if you're gonna chase
Speaker 1: one of these really big vocal songs, and he's a
Speaker 1: good singer. Let me hear this again, Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: hear it. Kind of tin odd choice of a song
Speaker 1: to pick if you have to use auto tune. By
Speaker 1: the way, everybody has pitched shifted a little bit. I've
Speaker 1: only known a couple of artists that go in and go,
Speaker 1: don't touch it. My vocal that's carries one of them current.
Speaker 1: They'll maybe they'll put some effect on it. They don't
Speaker 1: pitch shift her vocal. It's very noticeable. Wow. Um, I
Speaker 1: mean I would read idiot stuff. I would just put
Speaker 1: shifted all of it. So like, yeah, we're doing this.
Speaker 1: If everybody knows like Emoji Love song, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of that. We just were like, instead of having
Speaker 1: fixed little parts, shift the whole thing so people know.
Speaker 1: It's very obviously not the live version, but the studio version.
Speaker 1: By the way, yes, I'm comparing Emoji Love talking about
Speaker 1: raging idiots too. Let's see and Hardy has any song
Speaker 1: called boots Um The alt country band American Aquarium. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know who they are, but are they good?
Speaker 1: I kind of like the sound. Yeah, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: thought you to put this up if you didn't think
Speaker 1: it was cool. Yeah, I heard it. I was like,
Speaker 1: I could probably see myself listening. Right. Let me hold
Speaker 1: the country band American Aquarium. All right, I'm into it.
Speaker 1: They have a new album out called Lamentations. Lamentations. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's a song called the Luckier You Get. Let me
Speaker 1: see if I dig it. It's it sounds a little
Speaker 1: bit like Tom Petty and the and the waff Flowers,
Speaker 1: The Wallflowers meets the wall Flowers, Tom Petty and the
Speaker 1: Heartbreakers meets the wall Flowers. When I'm trying to say,
Speaker 1: Tom Petty also as an album called wild Flower. Thank
Speaker 1: I got all these in my head, but I would
Speaker 1: say it's like the wall Flowers meets Tom Petty. That's cool,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, I'm stay hearing. Yeah. Tom Petty's
Speaker 1: album Wildflower, I can't talk. Wild Flowers is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite records. I just want to make sure I
Speaker 1: said that right. Were you ever a Tom Petty fan?
Speaker 1: Not really? The song you belong the wild Flowers never
Speaker 1: love the other one, I don't think so that's a
Speaker 1: good one. And then you don't know how it feels. No,
Speaker 1: you don't know how it feels to be me that one.
Speaker 1: I know that one. Yeah, that's a good one. Let's
Speaker 1: see what else is on you wreck Me Baby, Doom Doom,
Speaker 1: you wrecked me into you know that one. Let's see
Speaker 1: I got that song. It's so it's fine. No, that's her,
Speaker 1: it's fire, that's her and dead that is not petty
Speaker 1: you read me? Yeah, that's a jam here this one.
Speaker 1: I don't know this one. God, this reminds me I'm
Speaker 1: not even interested in new music. I would sit here
Speaker 1: on this record for a long time. That's what we
Speaker 1: should do. We should break down our favorite albums and
Speaker 1: all the songs on it. Because I'm looking at this
Speaker 1: like track five, it's good to be king. It's good
Speaker 1: to be king, if just for a day. So if
Speaker 1: you know this one, let's see f I don't think
Speaker 1: so when your bulldog barks and your canary things now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a jam jam album. Top twenty album from
Speaker 1: me here for sure, to be key it just for
Speaker 1: a while, to be there in velvet. Yeah, to give
Speaker 1: him a smile. Nothing nothing, man, you're missing out. Never
Speaker 1: come down. All right, Well that's it. We want to
Speaker 1: update your new music and um also we're gonna to
Speaker 1: play this Clint Black Interview. What can I stun't believe? Today?
Speaker 1: I was having the sun today for four hours playing golf,
Speaker 1: and I think the sun is not cooperating on my
Speaker 1: body at this point because it's been months since I've
Speaker 1: seen it one day. I think I'm overdosing. I'm vitamin d. Okay,
Speaker 1: here we'll take a little break, come back with Clint Black. Enjoy. Hey,
Speaker 1: Clint's Bobby. How's it going? Hey, Bobby Twill it's going nowhere? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I get I felt I saw today it was
Speaker 1: like day fifty with no boards to day four. I
Speaker 1: mean it does feel like a big old blurd, doesn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it starts to just not matter what day of the
Speaker 1: week it is. Well before we get rolling here, we're
Speaker 1: already rolling before we get like moving through. I just
Speaker 1: want to tell you I'm a and I think I've
Speaker 1: I've mentioned this to you before, but I'm just a
Speaker 1: massive fan of yours, so it's it's really exciting for
Speaker 1: me to get to talk to you. Well. Thanks, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of yours, but I really wasn't a
Speaker 1: massive fan until I saw you dance. Well you probably yeah,
Speaker 1: that that isn't a good look for me with you,
Speaker 1: so we'll we'll move away from that. I was asked
Speaker 1: to do that show a couple of times, and uh,
Speaker 1: there's it's just absolutely no way on earth your brave man. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously you have the chops too. I would
Speaker 1: have Uh, I only dance the silly dance to make
Speaker 1: my family laugh. I feel like that's what I should do,
Speaker 1: just only the silly dance. Well, you know, I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see that you're putting on a new record. Now,
Speaker 1: hey tell me about out of saying, because I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this, is that the is that the opposite
Speaker 1: of insane? Out of saying? You know, it's actually uh,
Speaker 1: they're multiple interpretations of that, and uh, it really comes
Speaker 1: from a little you know, play online from one of
Speaker 1: the songs. Uh. Song title is what I knew then, um,
Speaker 1: and the line is uh a little in and out
Speaker 1: of saying. So I didn't like any of the song titles.
Speaker 1: I usually will name an album after one of the
Speaker 1: song titles that sums it up. I didn't like any
Speaker 1: of them for that, the same with my last album
Speaker 1: on Purpose. So I just scoured the lyrics for something
Speaker 1: that made sense. And and when I when I thought
Speaker 1: of that, when I thought, it's just you know, serious,
Speaker 1: seriously speaking um that you know, the writing of songs,
Speaker 1: are creating a music is really you know, born out
Speaker 1: of out of sanity, and uh. And then you go
Speaker 1: through the recording process and by the time it's down
Speaker 1: to all the music's recorded, and now I'm trying to
Speaker 1: mix it and make sure scientifically everything has its place
Speaker 1: and it's going to sound good on any system it's
Speaker 1: played on it, it just becomes a science. And it's
Speaker 1: just it's really kind of borders on insanity at that point.
Speaker 1: It's no longer this art form. It's a science. And
Speaker 1: and and it's just five hours of sleep at night
Speaker 1: and working on that, you know, for eighteen hours a day.
Speaker 1: And by the time I get to the end of
Speaker 1: making an album, there's a reason I don't only do
Speaker 1: one about every five years. Now, m I'm getting no sleep.
Speaker 1: I've wanted to be over and so I start out
Speaker 1: saying and end up insane. And uh. And I thought
Speaker 1: that really it really sums it up. When I always
Speaker 1: wanted to use that photo for the cover with that
Speaker 1: American flag guitar of mine, and I thought that that
Speaker 1: also brings in another interpretation, because it seems our country,
Speaker 1: you know, is a little in and out of saying
Speaker 1: and uh, just depending on what cycle we're in. So
Speaker 1: I thought, this is this is a title that anybody
Speaker 1: can see any any way they want for their own uses.
Speaker 1: But for me, it spoke to the album. It spoke
Speaker 1: to the process, which you know, it's not iron work,
Speaker 1: which I've done, uh, but it's uh, but it gets
Speaker 1: to be grueling at one point just uh need to
Speaker 1: need to call it finished, but not until it's right well,
Speaker 1: the full album except for a June nineteenth, really east
Speaker 1: and you know we're six or so weeks out from that.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like any of this it's happening now
Speaker 1: is going to affect that release date or are you
Speaker 1: determined that that's the date the projects coming out? Oh,
Speaker 1: we're firm, We're firm on it. Uh. We've got the
Speaker 1: video of the the second and third uh instant grat
Speaker 1: tracks or or lined up and ready to go. It's
Speaker 1: all in the system. And I've just gotten my little
Speaker 1: I'm going to call it a broadcast studio, it's my
Speaker 1: recording studio. But I've finally gotten all the elements. You know,
Speaker 1: it's hardest. There's a lot of stuff like this is
Speaker 1: back ordered. You know. I needed a converter to go
Speaker 1: from my um uh, you know, my four K camera
Speaker 1: into the computer to use it, you know, for live streaming,
Speaker 1: and also wanted to tie that in a pro tools.
Speaker 1: So it's been this step by step process of getting
Speaker 1: the point where I can start live streaming and and
Speaker 1: promoting the album from my studio. I've been watching this
Speaker 1: The Last Dance, which is the Bulls documentary. I think
Speaker 1: they've put out four episodes now, and you know it's
Speaker 1: about you know, Michael Jordan's his his final season with
Speaker 1: the Bulls, and they do this really cool thing where
Speaker 1: they go back in time, current, back in time, current,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and if you'll, um, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of indulge me a little bit. I like to
Speaker 1: do that now where I want to talk about new
Speaker 1: stuff and they kind of do a flashback and then
Speaker 1: come back and forth with a new project. Will you
Speaker 1: indulge me in this this type of all right, perfect,
Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. Um. I Like, you had
Speaker 1: a lot of jobs before I kind of got into
Speaker 1: what I'm doing now, where I worked, I worked at
Speaker 1: a marina and did bait work. As what you were?
Speaker 1: Were you a bait cutter? What was that job about?
Speaker 1: That was my uh one of the guys that my
Speaker 1: management company. When he was taking down stuff about me,
Speaker 1: you know what I what I done. He was basically
Speaker 1: putting together a simple bio and uh and he laughed
Speaker 1: and said, I'm gonna put because I was an iron worker,
Speaker 1: I worked in security, uh as a consultant salesman and
Speaker 1: uh sold security services and I actually did and I starved,
Speaker 1: but uh, um, you know I had uh you know,
Speaker 1: I was a newspaper solicitor, had a paper route as
Speaker 1: a kid, you know. And he he laughed and said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put down bake cutter and fishing guide and
Speaker 1: I laughed and uh and then suddenly it's in a
Speaker 1: newspaper and it went everywhere, and so it was. It
Speaker 1: was not true, and I thought he was kidding. But
Speaker 1: you know, they had managed rock and roll acts and uh,
Speaker 1: I was their first country act. And I think maybe
Speaker 1: you know, they like Kenny Loggins told me once he said,
Speaker 1: when I'm not doing anything interesting, I'm paraphrasing. He said,
Speaker 1: I'll make stuff up and say I'm some where I'm
Speaker 1: not and uh, Steffter, he told me that I was.
Speaker 1: I was doing an interview over the phone, and and uh,
Speaker 1: the interviewer asked me, so where are you calling from.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm in Barbados. Really, what are you doing
Speaker 1: in Barbados? And I said, I'm not really in Barbados.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even do it. That's funny. So you never
Speaker 1: wear a bait cutter, but now it's it's that's been
Speaker 1: part of your bio legacy all these years. Yep, yep,
Speaker 1: people still want to want me to tell them where
Speaker 1: the fish are. That's funny because I literally was a
Speaker 1: bait cutter, and I don't put that in my bio anymore.
Speaker 1: I was a cricket grabber because I would I would
Speaker 1: shovel crickets into tubes for people. I would cut bait.
Speaker 1: I would catch shad and give them out. I was
Speaker 1: a bit of a small small time fishing guide. And man,
Speaker 1: maybe I should put that in my bio. People ask
Speaker 1: me about that because I was really interested to hear
Speaker 1: that story. You know, you want that word to get around.
Speaker 1: So when this job falls a part on you, you
Speaker 1: know you'll have some her to go, people of demand
Speaker 1: will be there. I wonder, you know, as you have
Speaker 1: this new record, we're weeks away from it coming out,
Speaker 1: and you know you are a guitar player, are you
Speaker 1: Are you playing lead on the record. I played most
Speaker 1: of the yeah, most of the electric guitar stuff. I
Speaker 1: do some slide doough bro and electric slide? Yeah do you.
Speaker 1: Finally started that with the Nothing but the tail Ights
Speaker 1: album when Stroud heard my demos and he said, you
Speaker 1: should play guitar on this. Well, Haydon Nicholas, my lead
Speaker 1: guitar player, really got me started when we're writing songs
Speaker 1: one day and he said, you know, with your fingerpicking style,
Speaker 1: you can play licks like this Ray Flack stuff. And
Speaker 1: I laughed and laughed and uh, he said no really,
Speaker 1: and he taught me some things to practice, and I
Speaker 1: went home and got a little, you know, out of
Speaker 1: a sequencer, call it a metronome, and I started practicing
Speaker 1: slowly and sped it up until I was convinced I
Speaker 1: can play stuff like this, And so I played most
Speaker 1: of the everything but three songs on Nothing but the
Speaker 1: tail Lights and uh, and then I did the Electrify,
Speaker 1: which was all acoustic, and there wasn't much to do there,
Speaker 1: and then I started doing it again, and on the
Speaker 1: On Purpose album, I really dug into it and made
Speaker 1: myself take on a lot of that work. Whereas you know,
Speaker 1: I might reach out to Hayden to hurry it along,
Speaker 1: or her, Steve Warner or Brent Mason because they can
Speaker 1: do it in a flash. And uh, I decided, I'm
Speaker 1: going to take the time. It takes me longer, but
Speaker 1: if I can make myself happy as the producer artist,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do it. And uh so it's it's
Speaker 1: it's really satisfying and and and it's been a really
Speaker 1: uh it's been a real you know, i'd like you'd
Speaker 1: learn to think you're gonna get better with age, right,
Speaker 1: and the fact that I can play guitar solos on
Speaker 1: Tuckered Out Now, which is our burn burner, really convinced
Speaker 1: me that there's still room for growth, but I have
Speaker 1: to work really hard for it. I'm gonna run some
Speaker 1: numbers by you here, uh the numbers. You were chosen
Speaker 1: by People magazine. It's one of the fifty most beautiful
Speaker 1: people in the entire world. How vivid is that memory
Speaker 1: when you got that call? You know, what I just
Speaker 1: slashed on all the makeup and wardrobe it took to
Speaker 1: earn that title. You know, It's funny. I can't even remember,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't even remember that so much was
Speaker 1: happening to me, coming at me, uh, happening for me. Um.
Speaker 1: I remember now that you say it, that that I
Speaker 1: was given that, But no, I can't remember that feeling. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I I imagine I'm on the bus with
Speaker 1: the band and and and they're all mocking me. That's
Speaker 1: probably what we were doing. Whenever something like that that's
Speaker 1: outside of the country genre happens, because that's very mainstream,
Speaker 1: do you start to hear from other people that you
Speaker 1: thought you would never hear from that, to go, hey
Speaker 1: I saw you and People Magazine. I also like what
Speaker 1: you're doing. I just haven't reached out yet. No, not
Speaker 1: in not really in that way I would. I would
Speaker 1: meet people outside my genre. I assume you're talking about
Speaker 1: other artists, yeah, artists and actors, anyone that was like,
Speaker 1: hey I saw you People Magazine. Yeah. Yeah, But it
Speaker 1: was never it was never clear to me that one
Speaker 1: thing was happening because of the other. I would meet
Speaker 1: people like Gary Shandling at when he was hosting the Grammys,
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, you should do my show. You
Speaker 1: should come on and let's goop around. And so I
Speaker 1: did his show and and UH ended up going and
Speaker 1: playing basketball over his house every Sunday for you know,
Speaker 1: quite a while, and mean a lot of people over there.
Speaker 1: I think that's how Kevin Nealon and I became friends. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I've met Eric Idol because uh Lisa
Speaker 1: worked with a fitness trainer who trained Eric's wife and UH,
Speaker 1: and so I said, Uh, I said, hey, would you
Speaker 1: give this phone number two uh to Tanya and uh
Speaker 1: and see if I'm gonna record a Monty Python song,
Speaker 1: see if if he would be willing to do something
Speaker 1: on it. And so that led to working with him,
Speaker 1: uh and becoming friends with him, and then meeting people
Speaker 1: through him, other comedians and actors and and and it
Speaker 1: just never it never, I never, I never really knew. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: this is because of my music or it's just because
Speaker 1: I reached out or met someone through someone else. You
Speaker 1: have twenty two number one singles. What's the when you
Speaker 1: play the first look of what song? Do people react
Speaker 1: a loud as to uh? Well that killing time lick
Speaker 1: on the intro is pretty definitive. Better man is really recognizable.
Speaker 1: And those were you know, those were huge for me,
Speaker 1: Like The Rain. Of course, I don't do the intro
Speaker 1: lick in concert. From Like the Rain, I wrote another
Speaker 1: little uh acoustic guitar piece that I do on the
Speaker 1: front end of that, and then when I start singing it,
Speaker 1: they know and nothing but the tails that licks really recognizable. Um.
Speaker 1: With some of these songs that you play, and you
Speaker 1: have played for you know this at this point for
Speaker 1: thirty years, do you ever go, man, I want to
Speaker 1: switch up this arrangement because I'm I'm kind of bored
Speaker 1: with playing the same song over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: Like you want to play it for the fans, but
Speaker 1: you want to switch it up a little bites. Has
Speaker 1: that happen at all? Yeah, I'm really careful about that.
Speaker 1: I I keep in mind that they have some ownership
Speaker 1: in it and uh an attachment and and so you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a music fan. When I see someone in concert,
Speaker 1: I've seen that happen and not liked it. I've also
Speaker 1: seen it and liked it. Um. I've done that on
Speaker 1: records where I did a version of put Yourself in
Speaker 1: my shoes, a real slow blues version with a twelve
Speaker 1: piece horn section instead of harmonica, and uh, I did
Speaker 1: that for the second Greatest Hits Extra Tracks. And I
Speaker 1: did a version of No Time to Kill with Bruce Hornsby.
Speaker 1: That was a real funky version, and I played around
Speaker 1: with a bad goodbye and I felt, uh, I felt
Speaker 1: some liberties with that because I wasn't doing it with Whinnona,
Speaker 1: so the song wasn't gonna be what it was anyway.
Speaker 1: I messed around with a a different arrangement, but I'm careful.
Speaker 1: I try to be careful about it. The new song
Speaker 1: that I was listening to before I called you is
Speaker 1: America Still in Love with You. I want to play
Speaker 1: a little bit of that real quick, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask a couple of thoughts about it. Here's a clip
Speaker 1: of America I Still in love with You. I'm still
Speaker 1: in love with you in spite of all arabs and
Speaker 1: down we've done a separate ways, we've come back around.
Speaker 1: So even when you wrote that with Steve Warnery, yep,
Speaker 1: So tell me about that day when you guys go
Speaker 1: into the room to do this, well, Steve had been
Speaker 1: coming over. We've been doing stuff together, just hanging out.
Speaker 1: He would come by for one reason or another and uh,
Speaker 1: and and every time I say you, you didn't bring
Speaker 1: your new Steve Warner gretch. I ordered one and it
Speaker 1: was taken a while to get it, and I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen his and oh, I forgot. And so one day
Speaker 1: I said, well, you just have to come over with
Speaker 1: the intent of bringing that guitar so you won't forget it.
Speaker 1: So he came over one day just to show me that,
Speaker 1: and we were playing around with it. And after we
Speaker 1: had after we've played around for a while, I said, Uh.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I had this uh new song idea.
Speaker 1: I've got it and I told it to him and
Speaker 1: it was kind of the basics of the chorus. Uh,
Speaker 1: sounds like a love song, you know, to a to
Speaker 1: a woman, and you get to the end of the
Speaker 1: chorus and America is the lady. And he just reacted perfectly.
Speaker 1: Just couldn't. I didn't see that coming, And yeah, we
Speaker 1: gotta write that and uh and I just launched into it.
Speaker 1: I said, what what could we do musically? And we
Speaker 1: started playing around on it. We just go right in
Speaker 1: literally standing around the kitchen of the then off the kitchen,
Speaker 1: and once I saw that we had a structure and
Speaker 1: a direction on the versus, I started texting musicians to
Speaker 1: see who was available, and within about four days we
Speaker 1: were all in the studio recording it. And I knew
Speaker 1: I had to hurry in order to make the deadline
Speaker 1: for this album. And I wanted it to be on
Speaker 1: the album. Uh my love of the song and the message,
Speaker 1: but also it just went so well with the cover
Speaker 1: and uh, it just has to be on there. Literally
Speaker 1: made it about the same day as my deadline's got
Speaker 1: the master delivered. Well, the videos out too now, so
Speaker 1: people can check out in all of the song. But America,
Speaker 1: I still in Love with You. The music video is out,
Speaker 1: so man still making the videos. Are they harder to
Speaker 1: make now or easier? They're harder to make? In Quarantine, Um,
Speaker 1: I was uh again just ordering pieces and they would
Speaker 1: come and it was the wrong piece. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I would order a lens I thought I needed and
Speaker 1: turned out, you know, it just wasn't gonna wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: work for the for the framing, and uh, you know
Speaker 1: back in the day, you know, making them for our
Speaker 1: c A. Of course, I had these great budgets about
Speaker 1: eighty five dollars. And uh I worked with a video producer,
Speaker 1: Brent Hedgecock, who really enabled me to be a director
Speaker 1: when I wasn't really a director, but I got to
Speaker 1: write the treatments. I would write out a treatment for
Speaker 1: the video, and he would budget it out and he
Speaker 1: would come back and he'd say, that's that's about a
Speaker 1: three and the thousand dollar video. You've got to cut
Speaker 1: more than two thousand, two thousand dollars worth of ideas
Speaker 1: of this video. And that what happened every time. And
Speaker 1: uh so we'ld finally get it, uh, get it down
Speaker 1: to where it fit the budget, and we would go
Speaker 1: shoot it. And he was so much fun to work with,
Speaker 1: such a creative guy that when he no longer produced videos, UM,
Speaker 1: I really lost my enthusiasm for it for a while,
Speaker 1: and uh I really just kind of stopped. And then, uh,
Speaker 1: you know when I started putting out these uh these
Speaker 1: records on purpose and uh and this one, you know,
Speaker 1: the management company the first video I didn't know while
Speaker 1: I was this old house, which is an homage to
Speaker 1: the Grand Ole Operty, and they Opery gave me access
Speaker 1: to all or archival footage and so I went through everything,
Speaker 1: and I put together a really nice piece that I
Speaker 1: spoke to the opry in that old house and that
Speaker 1: that family you know, you know, uh what a hundred
Speaker 1: years and uh and I sent a copy to the
Speaker 1: management company and uh. Now they came back and said,
Speaker 1: this is great, this is really great. I love it
Speaker 1: and uh and and they said, but we really think
Speaker 1: you should be in it. I wasn't in it, and
Speaker 1: uh and I was disappointed and just you know, a
Speaker 1: big sigh. I said, no, really, I don't need to
Speaker 1: be in it. And we went back and forth that
Speaker 1: way for a while, and they finally convinced me that
Speaker 1: I needed to be in it. And part of it
Speaker 1: was I really didn't feel like I needed to be
Speaker 1: in it. This was going to move people just by
Speaker 1: watching all of these great, you know, opry moments. And
Speaker 1: then the other part was I didn't know how I
Speaker 1: was going to do it, How how was I going
Speaker 1: to fit into this? And uh And so when I
Speaker 1: agreed I was going to put myself in the video,
Speaker 1: I started thinking and and at one moment I had
Speaker 1: the idea that I could be the backstage guide and
Speaker 1: uh and once that happened, the ideas started coming and
Speaker 1: the Harry Potter you know, picture frames come to life
Speaker 1: idea hit me and I called my editor, said, okay,
Speaker 1: we have to do this. How easy is it going
Speaker 1: to be? You know, what do we have to do
Speaker 1: on the front end. So once once that happened, then
Speaker 1: the creative juices were flowing, and I uh managed to
Speaker 1: get it done. You know, I was looking back and
Speaker 1: you can tell me if I'm wrong here. I'm going
Speaker 1: from memory, but I look back because I had, like
Speaker 1: everybody else, I had to kill in time tape and
Speaker 1: so from the record Killing Time. But I don't think
Speaker 1: that was was better Man. My recollection, it was better Man.
Speaker 1: A single before Killing Time was Yeah. Actually, you know,
Speaker 1: the first single was set to be straight from the
Speaker 1: factory and uh, and I was worried about it in cities.
Speaker 1: I knew it would go over in Texas and Oklahoma
Speaker 1: and I was just kind of worried about it. And
Speaker 1: we got to k z l A and Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and Bob Gara was a program director and we're sitting
Speaker 1: in his office and uh and and playing that song
Speaker 1: and he stops the tape and he says, well, he
Speaker 1: said I could add that if you get it into
Speaker 1: the top twenty. So I knew what that meant. I
Speaker 1: didn't I know a lot about the business yet, but
Speaker 1: I also didn't know if it would be okay for
Speaker 1: me to pull this tape I had in my pocket
Speaker 1: it out and play him something from it. Um Carson
Speaker 1: Schreiber was the promotion guy there, and I kind of
Speaker 1: looked over at him and decided, I'm just gonna do it.
Speaker 1: And I pulled out the tape and I said, uh,
Speaker 1: I said, Bob popped us in and play the first song,
Speaker 1: and it was a better Man. And that's what I
Speaker 1: was thinking, you know, it would be a better first single,
Speaker 1: but I just I let him play it. And at
Speaker 1: the end of the first course, he stopped the tape
Speaker 1: and said, I'll add that out of the box. So
Speaker 1: we got out of there and called the head of
Speaker 1: our c A and said, you know, here's what just happened.
Speaker 1: And the decision was made on the spot to switch
Speaker 1: to a Better Man. And how fast did that song
Speaker 1: make you feel like you were firmly in the country
Speaker 1: music community. It took a while, you know. I was
Speaker 1: still traveling around in a twelve seater van pulling a
Speaker 1: U haul trailer four or five hundred miles a day
Speaker 1: a night, and uh and and so it was about
Speaker 1: a seventeen week climb to number one. So we started
Speaker 1: promoting it and I think late February and it peaked
Speaker 1: in mid June. I think that's seventeen weeks. Uh. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it uh it really it really seemed to be going
Speaker 1: fast to me. But that was not a quick climb
Speaker 1: back then. But it was rare for a debut single
Speaker 1: to go to number one. And so I'm hearing all
Speaker 1: these things, and you know, getting perspective by the time
Speaker 1: that hit. I think I was. By the time it
Speaker 1: really uh you know started a peak. I think I
Speaker 1: was getting some slots opening for the juds and and
Speaker 1: acts like that. So it started to feel more like
Speaker 1: this is gonna work. I'm gonna make it. When you
Speaker 1: guys decided to put out Killing Time second and the
Speaker 1: song again, looking back at as my history, I feel
Speaker 1: like Killing Time was even bigger than a Better Man.
Speaker 1: Well it had, it had a step up on Better Man,
Speaker 1: and uh, I think it was more of a honky
Speaker 1: talk song and uh, you know, but again I'm I'm
Speaker 1: stepping off of debut number one releasing that so, uh,
Speaker 1: that song getting in and I think the promotion team
Speaker 1: had a little easier time pushing that one out, so
Speaker 1: it had a little bit of an advantage. But it's
Speaker 1: it's also you know, it's a it's a different feel
Speaker 1: and flavor and texture. Better man was kind of haggard, asked,
Speaker 1: and killing time wasn't. I don't know what i'd call it,
Speaker 1: but um, it form for me for my sensibilities. It
Speaker 1: really it really felt like this is this is going
Speaker 1: to You're going to get different things from me. It
Speaker 1: was important to me that I had diversity, uh and
Speaker 1: my body of work, and I felt like that song
Speaker 1: really spoke to that. What was it like plotting a
Speaker 1: tour back in the late eighties early nineties? Would you
Speaker 1: have to use a phone book to call places? Like?
Speaker 1: What on the bus? Would you have a phone book
Speaker 1: to pull over in call places? Well? I had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with that part of it. I had to
Speaker 1: I just did interviews and showed up at radio stations
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, targets, etcetera. And uh, but yeah,
Speaker 1: back then, you know we'd have to get to a
Speaker 1: hotel room, get in there and and get on the
Speaker 1: phone them and uh, you know, it was a while
Speaker 1: before you know, I got that fifteen pounds cellular phone.
Speaker 1: Did you ever do when you talk about targets and Walmart?
Speaker 1: Did you ever go to one of these signings and
Speaker 1: it got to the point where it was so crazy
Speaker 1: because you had so many hits in a row. It
Speaker 1: was crazy, It was you know, I've I've said recently,
Speaker 1: you know that back then I was pretty level headed.
Speaker 1: I I feel like I never got the big head
Speaker 1: um and I treated everyone well. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: because it was so crazy and I wasn't nearly as
Speaker 1: comfortable with it as I am now. It took me
Speaker 1: a long time to get used to being famous and
Speaker 1: uh the center of attention and uh, you know, being
Speaker 1: in the middle of chaos. Uh, it was it was
Speaker 1: really hard to adapt to. So I would I felt
Speaker 1: like I went from one chaotic moment to another. And
Speaker 1: there were times where, uh, you know, we're doing nine
Speaker 1: shows in a row, one day off, eight shows in
Speaker 1: a row, one day off. I mean, they had me
Speaker 1: really going and I was reaching the point of uh
Speaker 1: really just the point of breaking. And uh, I told
Speaker 1: my manager, I said, I'm not gonna last like this.
Speaker 1: And you know, we have to have some spacing in there.
Speaker 1: So you know, it ended up getting two days off.
Speaker 1: But I've been that doing interviews and stuff, you know, so, uh,
Speaker 1: it was really taking a toll on my vocal cords.
Speaker 1: And I tried to tell him, you know, listen to
Speaker 1: my listen to my melodies, and listen to my songs.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not Joe Cocker. I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: sing these things with a raspy voice, and I can't
Speaker 1: hit those high notes. Uh, if I'm worn out. You know,
Speaker 1: you were talking talking about Dancing with the Stars earlier.
Speaker 1: I was I didn't know that you were on the
Speaker 1: second season of The Apprentice back in the day. What
Speaker 1: was that like two thousand four during the Apprentice, it
Speaker 1: was it was really I didn't know what I was
Speaker 1: getting into. I saw a clipper two um, and you know,
Speaker 1: to me it was going to be going on. Some
Speaker 1: people were gonna be jerks, you know, but we're going
Speaker 1: to go on and do these tasks. And I like
Speaker 1: those kinds of challenges. So so I agreed to do it.
Speaker 1: And uh it was eighteen and a half hours a
Speaker 1: day every day but Sunday for five and a half weeks. Um,
Speaker 1: and some of the people were really hard to be around.
Speaker 1: Others were great to be around and uh and so
Speaker 1: I quickly realized that I don't really have I don't
Speaker 1: have a strong enough desire to win this thing to
Speaker 1: compromise who I am, and I would have had to
Speaker 1: do that. I Uh, I felt like, you know, uh
Speaker 1: calling up people I know and and and asking them
Speaker 1: for money. I didn't like. I didn't feel like it
Speaker 1: was great for the charity. I didn't win a lot
Speaker 1: of money for my charity. You know, I made more
Speaker 1: for my charity in two days after that than I
Speaker 1: did in five and a half weeks. And uh and
Speaker 1: so I changed. I decided that my goal was gonna
Speaker 1: be to to to keep my behavior and check and
Speaker 1: to maintain my standard of character and uh not let
Speaker 1: anyone draw me into bad behavior. That was my goal.
Speaker 1: That became right. I'm gonna do my best with the
Speaker 1: tasks I'm gonna I'm gonna really limit you know, calling
Speaker 1: up people and asking them for money. Uh and uh
Speaker 1: and I'm just going to try to get through this
Speaker 1: without letting someone uh bring out the worst in me.
Speaker 1: And I ended up. You know, I was this place,
Speaker 1: I was there right through the end, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: proud of the way I handled it, but it was
Speaker 1: it was it was disgusting. You know, there was some
Speaker 1: some behavior and that that that was just really hard
Speaker 1: to watch. Well. On on a lighter note, we're gonna
Speaker 1: do one old and one new, and I want to
Speaker 1: start with I want to run a few things, a
Speaker 1: few song titles that I love by you, and just
Speaker 1: a quick sentence or two about you know what that
Speaker 1: song at that time kind of reminds you of. We'll
Speaker 1: start with when my Ship comes in. Mm hmmm. Uh.
Speaker 1: The first thing I thought of was shooting the video
Speaker 1: for that and uh, you know the the T shirt
Speaker 1: on the sailboat and uh it was it was forty
Speaker 1: degrees and they had a hurricane fan on the so
Speaker 1: so it's so it's it's kind of apropos since the
Speaker 1: song is about you know, being in Colorado, uh and
Speaker 1: waiting for your ship to come in. The whole reason
Speaker 1: that song came about was because of a skip viewing
Speaker 1: song called the Coast of Colorado and Hayden and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's let's jump off from there. And
Speaker 1: the other part of it was I'm a big Jimmy
Speaker 1: Buffett fan and and I wanted, uh, you know, Gulf
Speaker 1: of Mexico came out of that, you know, love for
Speaker 1: his music, and uh and the style, the feeling a
Speaker 1: shift came out of that too. How about a good
Speaker 1: run of bad Luck? Haydon and I were We're in
Speaker 1: a hotel in Toronto. It was it was crazy snow blizzard. Uh,
Speaker 1: we had a little time, so we decided to try
Speaker 1: to write a couple of songs. We wrote Tuckered Out
Speaker 1: and good Run of bad Luck and uh, good Run
Speaker 1: of bad Luck. We knew what we wanted to say,
Speaker 1: but we wanted to make sure we had some good lingo.
Speaker 1: And I played Caesar's Palace a lot, so I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, they'll know me there if I called. And
Speaker 1: I called and and got him to put me through
Speaker 1: to one of the pit bosses and at the blackjack tables,
Speaker 1: and I got him on the phone and uh, and
Speaker 1: so I started, uh, you know, just trying to get
Speaker 1: slang out of him, and uh, you know, I'd say like,
Speaker 1: you know, what do you guys, what do you guys
Speaker 1: call the high rollers? And he said rollers. Okay, I
Speaker 1: got that one, and I asked him another question and
Speaker 1: it would be kind of the same thing. So it
Speaker 1: got us pretty much nothing, but we we started writing
Speaker 1: down all of the gambling stuff we could think of
Speaker 1: and just launched into writing one more from back in
Speaker 1: the day, like the rain. Sitting in UH. I had
Speaker 1: had a house. My first house here in Nashville was
Speaker 1: way up north of town, and I needed to get
Speaker 1: into town because it was just too much driving. So
Speaker 1: I found some uh condo. I was in a high
Speaker 1: rise condo and in Nashville, and Lisa and I were
Speaker 1: sitting looking out the window at Highway seventy and it
Speaker 1: was just poor in rain and she loved it, and uh,
Speaker 1: I really have had enough for rain in Houston. So
Speaker 1: UH Now I started playing, thinking, you know, what's what's
Speaker 1: rain music sound like? And I started playing that chord
Speaker 1: progression of the verse and came up with the first verse.
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, that's that's enough. I'm gonna I'll get
Speaker 1: with Hayden next chance we'll get and we're right that.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the new record, and
Speaker 1: we'll end with this. By the way, if you're listening
Speaker 1: right now, Clint's web store brand new album focused merchandise
Speaker 1: that pre sell autographed copies of the album, pre sell
Speaker 1: c ds vinyl, go to Clinton Black dot com slash store,
Speaker 1: and I guess about the new record. I wonder, you know,
Speaker 1: just as as someone who creates myself, like you don't
Speaker 1: have to produce the whole thing. You don't have to
Speaker 1: play get you don't have to do all of the
Speaker 1: intricate things that you're doing. Why do you keep doing
Speaker 1: it to save money? H Uh? It's uh, you know.
Speaker 1: I I from the first demos Hayden and I made
Speaker 1: where uh you know, he showed me how he used
Speaker 1: an eight track tape recorder to get as many tracks
Speaker 1: on there as possible. I became interested in that when
Speaker 1: about six or seven, I looked into meeting the guys
Speaker 1: with Digit Design, who created pro Tools, and they set
Speaker 1: me up in our place in l A down in
Speaker 1: the basement with the pro tools gear and baby sat
Speaker 1: me through. I made a test it for them. I'd
Speaker 1: find problems they had come to fix them. And so
Speaker 1: I was using pro Tools and learning more and more
Speaker 1: about engineering. So when we got this new place in Nashville,
Speaker 1: I built a studio and uh and really started becoming
Speaker 1: more and more a student of engineering. So I can
Speaker 1: sit and work by myself and do a lot of it,
Speaker 1: and uh, and I enjoy it. It's uh, it's a challenge,
Speaker 1: but it's a creative outlet. And the result is there's
Speaker 1: just it's just more of me going into my music
Speaker 1: as much of an expression of myself as I can make. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel it'll be a better end result,
Speaker 1: or at least it will be more me, as much
Speaker 1: of my taste in music, my sentiments, my Uh, you
Speaker 1: know what, I would like to hear the songs when
Speaker 1: I'm writing them, you know, they they're talking to me already,
Speaker 1: telling me what they want and uh. And then when
Speaker 1: I create the cut the basic track with a band,
Speaker 1: they're really talking then. And so uh, it's more satisfying
Speaker 1: to give the song it wants or needs myself and
Speaker 1: to hire someone to do it. Well. I really appreciate
Speaker 1: the time. Good luck with the new record, and it
Speaker 1: will be your twenty three album, wow, except for at
Speaker 1: least June nine, And Clint promises it will be out
Speaker 1: June nineteenth, So we're not moving it. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: out June nineteenth, dang it. So it is. It's great
Speaker 1: talking to you. This was this is interesting. Um, I
Speaker 1: never know what that means. When someone says this is interesting,
Speaker 1: you're like interesting good or interesting bad? Or what? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm saying interesting good. You know. I knew I could
Speaker 1: give you the long answers and ramble around to find
Speaker 1: the point I was making because it's a podcast. But
Speaker 1: you're also asking different questions that make me think more
Speaker 1: and go in depth to things, and uh uh you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember joking in the old days about um,
Speaker 1: you know, some questions are how did you and Mark
Speaker 1: O'Connor do that harmonica fiddle swap and live and learn
Speaker 1: and and how did that come together? And then there
Speaker 1: were the other questions, which were why the hat? Is
Speaker 1: that what you wanted? Clint? Why the hat? Yeah? Why that? Well?
Speaker 1: I finally came up with the answer to that question,
Speaker 1: why do you wear a black hat? And it hit me.
Speaker 1: I know now, it's because it makes my head look thinner.
Speaker 1: I need to wear a black hat. I've had a
Speaker 1: big head in my whole life when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: When I was a young kid, my mom would have
Speaker 1: to cut slits into the sides of my t shirts
Speaker 1: to get my head to go through because it was
Speaker 1: abnormally large. Oh man, I just had to make room
Speaker 1: for all those brains. Yeah, I guess. I guess. Also
Speaker 1: one of my best friends. And because we're gonna play
Speaker 1: some of this on my my radio show too, because
Speaker 1: I'm such a big fan and I'm gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: do radio and podcasts. This is gonna be used everywhere
Speaker 1: and even the Countdown. So um. But one of my
Speaker 1: dearest friends named Eddie, and he was just recently asked
Speaker 1: on the National Show if he could quarantine with one artist,
Speaker 1: who would it be? And he picked you, Clint Black.
Speaker 1: And I saw that, I saw your tweet that I
Speaker 1: was just curious what it's like saying, you know, Clint
Speaker 1: and I have nothing in common? And I'm thinking, yeah,
Speaker 1: we do. And then I went, no, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: I wasn't even my first concert. We have nothing in common?
Speaker 1: What what do you do during quarantine? Like? What are
Speaker 1: you doing all? What are you watching? Like? What can
Speaker 1: I give to him to show him that you guys
Speaker 1: probably do have some stuff in common? Uh? Well, I'm uh,
Speaker 1: I've watched everything on Netflix. We watched Ozark, me too,
Speaker 1: every movie, um, you know love, Uh you know, I've
Speaker 1: watched the uh documentaries that uh, Ray Romano made on
Speaker 1: building a stand up act, and that Jerry Seinfeld did
Speaker 1: on or he took you all the way back to
Speaker 1: his first joke at the place he told it and
Speaker 1: went through all of his old material, and then his
Speaker 1: documentary on uh on building his new material. So I
Speaker 1: love to follow that stuff. Um, you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: betting he's an Andy Griffiths fan. Of course we all are,
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, for for the oh, Bosh, Bosch
Speaker 1: on Amazon Prime is the best detective show ever. If
Speaker 1: you want to watch a show where the guy's not
Speaker 1: uh you know, you know, swinging off the side of
Speaker 1: a train, throwing grenades inside to kill the bad guys,
Speaker 1: you know, a real detective show. Um, bosh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pass all that to Eddie and tell him this what
Speaker 1: you two would be doing watching Bosch and Ray Romano
Speaker 1: right for his first joke. That's it, Clint, then we
Speaker 1: were we were made for each other for Quarantine. All right,
Speaker 1: I'll let you get back to your life, but I'm
Speaker 1: again I'm a massive fan. Thank you for your time
Speaker 1: and good luck with the record, and man, just uh
Speaker 1: just keep being awesome. Hey, thanks you too. A big fan,
Speaker 1: big fan of yours and uh I really enjoyed this. Thanks, thanks,
Speaker 1: talk Hopefully I'll talked to you and let's get out
Speaker 1: there and work again soon alright, hopefully ill see you soon, hope.
Speaker 1: So ay by bye, thank you, bye,