WEBVTT - #242 - Clint Black on His Biggest Hits, Experience Doing ‘The Apprentice’ and New Music

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<v Speaker 1>M h Welcome to episode two forty two. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>to Clint Black and just a little bit. Always fun

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to people you love when you were a

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<v Speaker 1>kid who's got new music out too. But we definitely

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<v Speaker 1>get into a lot of the nineties stuff before we

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<v Speaker 1>turn the mics on here, Mike, you had asked me

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<v Speaker 1>if I had heard the new Dixie Chick song, and

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't because I guess the song came out today, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I woke up today and for the first time in

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<v Speaker 1>five years, I want to play golf today. Eddie and

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<v Speaker 1>Amy hasn't been and I wouldn't play it. So I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't really done anything. I just you know, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go over music here, but I'm just not feeling a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of music right now, oddly for a music podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if if it's because I'm really not

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<v Speaker 1>listening to as much music because I'm not commuting ever um,

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<v Speaker 1>or if nothing's really hitting me right now. And we'll

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<v Speaker 1>go through some new stuff, maybe some of this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>will hit you. But I was more excited talk to

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<v Speaker 1>Clint Black about the nineties than I have anything new

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<v Speaker 1>coming out today. You know. Um, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people are feeling that way right now. Once we

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<v Speaker 1>get back to uh what normal, I think some of

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<v Speaker 1>our normal habits will kind of kicked back in. But

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<v Speaker 1>have you been listening to new music at all? This week?

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<v Speaker 1>Is probably like the first week I started listening to

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<v Speaker 1>some new stuff. What did you listen to that's new? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to like, I've been listening to Machine Gun

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly a lot. And you put out a new song

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<v Speaker 1>today and I was checking it out and it's weird

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<v Speaker 1>because I know him as a rapper, but a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the stuff he's putting out is a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>alternative sounding. Is he's singing, yeah, and he's playing guitar

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, So I like the sound everybody being post

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<v Speaker 1>Malone now basically pretty much like he didn't never, He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have that sound before. Now it's like he's on

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<v Speaker 1>alternative radio. It's weird. I gotta feel like post Malone

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<v Speaker 1>created that space. Like rapper, but you can also do

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<v Speaker 1>rock if you're not to play guitar, Yeah, using real instruments.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all. Yeah, that's all him. Alright, Well, let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with some new music out this week, and I we'll

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<v Speaker 1>start with the Dixie Chicks song because you had brought

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<v Speaker 1>that up to me. The Dixie Chicks were supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>put a gas lighter the whole album m It was

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<v Speaker 1>the first record of fourteen years, but it's been has

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<v Speaker 1>been pushed back in definitely because of Corona. But they

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<v Speaker 1>did about this new song, and it is called Julianna. Julianna, Julianna, Julianna.

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<v Speaker 1>You said Julianna. Somehow you said Julianna. I hear is Julianna.

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<v Speaker 1>Calm down. I guess this is the time to remind

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<v Speaker 1>you sometimes what's going through your head. It's just a

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<v Speaker 1>temperate situation and I would soon be shared. Just put on,

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<v Speaker 1>put on, put on your best shoes, and stra to

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<v Speaker 1>fucking round like you've got nothing to lose. Shoot off,

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<v Speaker 1>shoot off, shoot off your best moves, and do it

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<v Speaker 1>with a smile, so then no one knows it's put on,

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<v Speaker 1>put on, put on vibe. I can't really find the

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<v Speaker 1>chorus because I'm hearing it from a random time. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that the chorus? Like that part towards like maybe twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seconds into the chorus, put on, put on and Katie

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<v Speaker 1>calm down. You know it sounds like a slightly country

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<v Speaker 1>Florence in the Machine. Oh yeah, it kind of does.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was hearing again and I was going, right,

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<v Speaker 1>what am I hearing here? Pay play that from the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning again, just with a clip. Guess this is the

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<v Speaker 1>time to remind you sometimes what's going through your head.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a temperate situation. Do you hear that like

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<v Speaker 1>the Florence Welch kind of? I mean, yeah, yeah, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>probably like that. I can't tell from hearing this one

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<v Speaker 1>clip of a song, but that sounds like like my

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<v Speaker 1>kind of vibe. They're oddly hard to get a hold of,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning they didn't want to be interviewed or they don't

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<v Speaker 1>want me to interview them. And I think I've been

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<v Speaker 1>one of the biggest advocates, oddly, but I can't get

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<v Speaker 1>any of them to talk to me, which is weird

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<v Speaker 1>because usually that's not the not the case, it's the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>People are trying to get on because of, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the platform that we have. So but the Dixie Chick

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<v Speaker 1>has been weird because I've been like pro Dixie Chick

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<v Speaker 1>forever and they just have like we're gonna wait from Boby.

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<v Speaker 1>Weren't talking to him? Uh, I don't know why. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>go here and Now from Kenny Chesney. This is record nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right? Here's the title track, here and now now,

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere in this world, and here's a song called Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>she Knows She's and the medico down mood. She's sick

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<v Speaker 1>to something love but the letters just too cold. She's

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<v Speaker 1>a mar Jeans. I mean it definitely sounds like Kenny.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. At the nineteen records, I mean, Kenny was out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he started some of those guys that are

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<v Speaker 1>just called nineties country. We're still around kicking and they're

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<v Speaker 1>considered nineties country. But Kenny started then as well and

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<v Speaker 1>has managed to continue. Look out. When his first record

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<v Speaker 1>came out, I think I think I looked at it earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like ninety one. I want to say, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>was it? I was looking to all his albums earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>just to make sure. Like Kenny and McGraw are two

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<v Speaker 1>guys where if they had stopped after a few big

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<v Speaker 1>records or had kind of petered out, they'd be considered

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<v Speaker 1>legacy acts. But they have just continued to produce, continue

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<v Speaker 1>to put out hits. Man, if it was nine one,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be shocked and see studio albums even then says

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<v Speaker 1>early Wow, Wow, good for him. I like Kenny. I

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<v Speaker 1>got to set with Kenny wants or sit with Kenny

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<v Speaker 1>on stage and it was just him and I and

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<v Speaker 1>he played acoustic the whole time and we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>to interviews and make jokes and stuff. But he's a

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<v Speaker 1>just a really good singer. You know, when you think

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<v Speaker 1>of the big singers, you don't think of Kenny Chessen

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<v Speaker 1>that you think of a guy Kenn. He just puts

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<v Speaker 1>out the beach hits and but just sitting there acoustic

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<v Speaker 1>with the guitar, it was surprisingly good. The k is

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<v Speaker 1>Silent from Hot Country Nights. This is Dirk Spentley's nineties

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<v Speaker 1>influenced comedy band. This was always a bit difficult because

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<v Speaker 1>the songs are pretty good. They're even good and funny,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was always weird to talk to them on

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<v Speaker 1>radio because it's such a visual thing and I would

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<v Speaker 1>feel like sometimes it wouldn't come across like I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>it to on radio because unless you could see them,

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<v Speaker 1>you really weren't getting the joke because it just sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like Dirk dark manly making jokes, and so that was

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<v Speaker 1>this was always the thing that we had to juggle

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<v Speaker 1>on the radio with Dirk's as Doug Douglason because he

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<v Speaker 1>would come on and be moderately funny, but what he

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<v Speaker 1>was wearing was hilarious. But people can't see what he's

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<v Speaker 1>wearing when they're listening to live, so that was always

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<v Speaker 1>a juggle for me. I would imagine they're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>done with this project at this point, especially they were

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go on a little tour, but that got cut,

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<v Speaker 1>as did everybody else's. But they had songs that were good,

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<v Speaker 1>that were aside from the funniness of it, had good hooks.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is Sorry, Hot Country Nights with Travis Tritt a

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<v Speaker 1>song called pick Her Up Up, Dance Around. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what's funny is the three artists we've talked about so far,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we're gonna get to Clint Black in a

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<v Speaker 1>second Dixie Chicks nineties two thousand's Kenny Chats and he

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<v Speaker 1>started in right what he said, And then Derk Spanley's

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<v Speaker 1>band is that nineties uh pop parody band? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that nineties. It's the real retro in vogue thing right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Either you came from the nineties and you're making a

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<v Speaker 1>new sound or you're new and you're making a nineties sound.

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<v Speaker 1>As long as you've got some feeling of the nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>people are like, oh, I accept that, that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel that at all? Why is that though?

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<v Speaker 1>The nineties? Well, I think that's when country music went

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<v Speaker 1>massively mainstream, so all the big stars are there. You

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<v Speaker 1>think it will ever shift to a different decade or

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<v Speaker 1>is just something about the nineties. I think it's that

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<v Speaker 1>that was the Garth, Brooks and Done. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>think for a while it was probably the sixties. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know there was ever a seventies and eighties boom

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you know, but but nineties, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>the two thousands were great just generally speaking. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, the most songs. When you think of

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<v Speaker 1>all those massive songs from the nineties, I mean McGraw, Garth,

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<v Speaker 1>Dixie Chicks, even you know, Chesney, Joe, Diffy, Clinton Black,

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<v Speaker 1>We're Gonna I mean, it was just a really good

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<v Speaker 1>time for country music. A lot of money was going

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<v Speaker 1>in to support it because they were seeing that it

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<v Speaker 1>can make a lot of money. So I can't see

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<v Speaker 1>the two thousands. Maybe you know, you have like a

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<v Speaker 1>Luke Combs tribute band, later in like maybe which Luke

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<v Speaker 1>has a new song out too. That's interesting. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna think about that. Why the nineties A couple of reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>When I think the age of all the people making

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<v Speaker 1>decisions were nineties listeners. The adults now we're big nineties kids.

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<v Speaker 1>So the people that are making the decision as adults,

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<v Speaker 1>the music that's getting made, the the artists for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of them, or nineties influence. I think that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. And then the stars that's the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>generation of country stars. Luke Hombs has officially released six

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<v Speaker 1>ft Apart. We played the YouTube version a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, but this song is up to stream. Mom,

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Mystery. You know, I saw the title of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think I mentioned this on last week's podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, how in the world is he gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>a song that's not cheesy about quarantine? Because I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred of them and they're almost all cheesy. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a pretty good one. I mean, everything he writes

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<v Speaker 1>right now just turns into gold. I played the all right,

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<v Speaker 1>He played the Opery and I was hosting it last

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<v Speaker 1>week and it was great. He played this at the

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<v Speaker 1>Opery last week, kept More put out a new song

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<v Speaker 1>called Crazy for You Tonight Mama, Yeah, Crazy Crazy. Brett

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<v Speaker 1>Young put out a new song called Lady. Here's Brett

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<v Speaker 1>Young just back your Mama and love can do. You'll

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<v Speaker 1>see close to perfect patience. If you want your every move,

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<v Speaker 1>you can always run into daddy. Let gonna see what

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<v Speaker 1>else we got here? I guess some other stuff. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>what's your favorite on the list here? I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to go through all these what's your favorite on the

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<v Speaker 1>list that we haven't played? Why do you see your

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<v Speaker 1>machine gun? Kelly song? Kelly? We here this one. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't do freak off, but I'll take song from mute.

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<v Speaker 1>It does sound like uh, fall out boy. It meets

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<v Speaker 1>like an angry blank one rock Field. Yeah, it does

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<v Speaker 1>street this night. That you have any jack that's straight

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<v Speaker 1>alternative stuff that's not that's crazy. I would never guess

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<v Speaker 1>that was a machine on Kelly. Huh. I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like your style though, yeah, very much so. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like it sounds like he showed up late for

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<v Speaker 1>Warp Tour about five years like his style is a

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<v Speaker 1>little a little beyond that. But he could have fit

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<v Speaker 1>in Marshmallow and Halsey. I saw them laying on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground together on Instagram. I guess like a promotion for

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<v Speaker 1>this song. This is called be Kind alright, alright, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>um let's see if there's anything else I want it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just mentioned some of this um him him him.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was Hime, but when I got no

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<v Speaker 1>reaction back to him him him. The three sisters they

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<v Speaker 1>have a I know alone. I don't need to play that.

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<v Speaker 1>Gabby Barrett has a song featuring Shane and Shane. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what Shane and Shane is. I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was like a Shane and Shane company, like a jewelry company.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever see that car from It's a Cren duo?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it is. Yeah, imagine both our names, Shane, Shane

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<v Speaker 1>and Shane. All right. Hardy has a new song called Boots.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me hear a little bit of Mitchell Tinpennies cover

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<v Speaker 1>of Someone You Loved by Louis Capaldi. Now the Dedly

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<v Speaker 1>Far Okay, start, let's start it over and I I

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<v Speaker 1>like Mitchell. No, Mitchell a little bit? Is he using

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<v Speaker 1>auto tune on this? Yeah? You can hear it. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought so too. It's like, man, if you're gonna chase

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<v Speaker 1>one of these really big vocal songs, and he's a

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<v Speaker 1>good singer. Let me hear this again, Yeah, you can

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<v Speaker 1>hear it. Kind of tin odd choice of a song

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<v Speaker 1>to pick if you have to use auto tune. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, everybody has pitched shifted a little bit. I've

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<v Speaker 1>only known a couple of artists that go in and go,

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<v Speaker 1>don't touch it. My vocal that's carries one of them current.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll maybe they'll put some effect on it. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>pitch shift her vocal. It's very noticeable. Wow. Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I would read idiot stuff. I would just put

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<v Speaker 1>shifted all of it. So like, yeah, we're doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>If everybody knows like Emoji Love song, I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that. We just were like, instead of having

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<v Speaker 1>fixed little parts, shift the whole thing so people know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very obviously not the live version, but the studio version.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, yes, I'm comparing Emoji Love talking about

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<v Speaker 1>raging idiots too. Let's see and Hardy has any song

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<v Speaker 1>called boots Um The alt country band American Aquarium. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who they are, but are they good?

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of like the sound. Yeah, I wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>thought you to put this up if you didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>it was cool. Yeah, I heard it. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I could probably see myself listening. Right. Let me hold

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<v Speaker 1>the country band American Aquarium. All right, I'm into it.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a new album out called Lamentations. Lamentations. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a song called the Luckier You Get. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>see if I dig it. It's it sounds a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit like Tom Petty and the and the waff Flowers,

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<v Speaker 1>The Wallflowers meets the wall Flowers, Tom Petty and the

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<v Speaker 1>Heartbreakers meets the wall Flowers. When I'm trying to say,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Petty also as an album called wild Flower. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>I got all these in my head, but I would

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<v Speaker 1>say it's like the wall Flowers meets Tom Petty. That's cool,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, all right, I'm stay hearing. Yeah. Tom Petty's

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<v Speaker 1>album Wildflower, I can't talk. Wild Flowers is one of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite records. I just want to make sure I

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<v Speaker 1>said that right. Were you ever a Tom Petty fan?

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<v Speaker 1>Not really? The song you belong the wild Flowers never

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<v Speaker 1>love the other one, I don't think so that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good one. And then you don't know how it feels. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know how it feels to be me that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that one. Yeah, that's a good one. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>see what else is on you wreck Me Baby, Doom Doom,

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<v Speaker 1>you wrecked me into you know that one. Let's see

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<v Speaker 1>I got that song. It's so it's fine. No, that's her,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fire, that's her and dead that is not petty

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<v Speaker 1>you read me? Yeah, that's a jam here this one.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know this one. God, this reminds me I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not even interested in new music. I would sit here

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<v Speaker 1>on this record for a long time. That's what we

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<v Speaker 1>should do. We should break down our favorite albums and

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<v Speaker 1>all the songs on it. Because I'm looking at this

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<v Speaker 1>like track five, it's good to be king. It's good

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<v Speaker 1>to be king, if just for a day. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you know this one, let's see f I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>so when your bulldog barks and your canary things now, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a jam jam album. Top twenty album from

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<v Speaker 1>me here for sure, to be key it just for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, to be there in velvet. Yeah, to give

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<v Speaker 1>him a smile. Nothing nothing, man, you're missing out. Never

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<v Speaker 1>come down. All right, Well that's it. We want to

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<v Speaker 1>update your new music and um also we're gonna to

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<v Speaker 1>play this Clint Black Interview. What can I stun't believe? Today?

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<v Speaker 1>I was having the sun today for four hours playing golf,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the sun is not cooperating on my

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<v Speaker 1>body at this point because it's been months since I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen it one day. I think I'm overdosing. I'm vitamin d. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here we'll take a little break, come back with Clint Black. Enjoy. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>Clint's Bobby. How's it going? Hey, Bobby Twill it's going nowhere? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that I get I felt I saw today it was

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<v Speaker 1>like day fifty with no boards to day four. I

0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:05.359
<v Speaker 1>mean it does feel like a big old blurd, doesn't it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it starts to just not matter what day of the

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<v Speaker 1>week it is. Well before we get rolling here, we're

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<v Speaker 1>already rolling before we get like moving through. I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell you I'm a and I think I've

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<v Speaker 1>I've mentioned this to you before, but I'm just a

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<v Speaker 1>massive fan of yours, so it's it's really exciting for

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<v Speaker 1>me to get to talk to you. Well. Thanks, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a fan of yours, but I really wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>massive fan until I saw you dance. Well you probably yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that that isn't a good look for me with you,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll we'll move away from that. I was asked

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<v Speaker 1>to do that show a couple of times, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's it's just absolutely no way on earth your brave man. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, obviously you have the chops too. I would

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<v Speaker 1>have Uh, I only dance the silly dance to make

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<v Speaker 1>my family laugh. I feel like that's what I should do,

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<v Speaker 1>just only the silly dance. Well, you know, I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>to see that you're putting on a new record. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>hey tell me about out of saying, because I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about this, is that the is that the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>of insane? Out of saying? You know, it's actually uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they're multiple interpretations of that, and uh, it really comes

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<v Speaker 1>from a little you know, play online from one of

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<v Speaker 1>the songs. Uh. Song title is what I knew then, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and the line is uh a little in and out

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<v Speaker 1>of saying. So I didn't like any of the song titles.

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<v Speaker 1>I usually will name an album after one of the

0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.480
<v Speaker 1>song titles that sums it up. I didn't like any

0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.359
<v Speaker 1>of them for that, the same with my last album

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<v Speaker 1>on Purpose. So I just scoured the lyrics for something

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<v Speaker 1>that made sense. And and when I when I thought

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<v Speaker 1>of that, when I thought, it's just you know, serious,

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<v Speaker 1>seriously speaking um that you know, the writing of songs,

0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.920
<v Speaker 1>are creating a music is really you know, born out

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<v Speaker 1>of out of sanity, and uh. And then you go

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<v Speaker 1>through the recording process and by the time it's down

0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:14.600
<v Speaker 1>to all the music's recorded, and now I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>mix it and make sure scientifically everything has its place

0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's going to sound good on any system it's

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<v Speaker 1>played on it, it just becomes a science. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's really kind of borders on insanity at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>It's no longer this art form. It's a science. And

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<v Speaker 1>and and it's just five hours of sleep at night

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<v Speaker 1>and working on that, you know, for eighteen hours a day.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the time I get to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>making an album, there's a reason I don't only do

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<v Speaker 1>one about every five years. Now, m I'm getting no sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>I've wanted to be over and so I start out

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<v Speaker 1>saying and end up insane. And uh. And I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that really it really sums it up. When I always

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to use that photo for the cover with that

0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:14.600
<v Speaker 1>American flag guitar of mine, and I thought that that

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<v Speaker 1>also brings in another interpretation, because it seems our country,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, is a little in and out of saying

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, just depending on what cycle we're in. So

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, this is this is a title that anybody

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<v Speaker 1>can see any any way they want for their own uses.

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<v Speaker 1>But for me, it spoke to the album. It spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to the process, which you know, it's not iron work,

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<v Speaker 1>which I've done, uh, but it's uh, but it gets

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<v Speaker 1>to be grueling at one point just uh need to

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<v Speaker 1>need to call it finished, but not until it's right well,

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<v Speaker 1>the full album except for a June nineteenth, really east

0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.320
<v Speaker 1>and you know we're six or so weeks out from that.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like any of this it's happening now

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<v Speaker 1>is going to affect that release date or are you

0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.680
<v Speaker 1>determined that that's the date the projects coming out? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're firm, We're firm on it. Uh. We've got the

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<v Speaker 1>video of the the second and third uh instant grat

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<v Speaker 1>tracks or or lined up and ready to go. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all in the system. And I've just gotten my little

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to call it a broadcast studio, it's my

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<v Speaker 1>recording studio. But I've finally gotten all the elements. You know,

0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.280
<v Speaker 1>it's hardest. There's a lot of stuff like this is

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<v Speaker 1>back ordered. You know. I needed a converter to go

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<v Speaker 1>from my um uh, you know, my four K camera

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<v Speaker 1>into the computer to use it, you know, for live streaming,

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<v Speaker 1>and also wanted to tie that in a pro tools.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's been this step by step process of getting

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<v Speaker 1>the point where I can start live streaming and and

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<v Speaker 1>promoting the album from my studio. I've been watching this

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<v Speaker 1>The Last Dance, which is the Bulls documentary. I think

0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.320
<v Speaker 1>they've put out four episodes now, and you know it's

0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.439
<v Speaker 1>about you know, Michael Jordan's his his final season with

0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the Bulls, and they do this really cool thing where

0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:16.359
<v Speaker 1>they go back in time, current, back in time, current,

0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:19.359
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing, and if you'll, um, you know,

0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:21.159
<v Speaker 1>kind of indulge me a little bit. I like to

0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:22.560
<v Speaker 1>do that now where I want to talk about new

0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:24.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff and they kind of do a flashback and then

0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:27.399
<v Speaker 1>come back and forth with a new project. Will you

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<v Speaker 1>indulge me in this this type of all right, perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see how it goes. Um. I Like, you had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of jobs before I kind of got into

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm doing now, where I worked, I worked at

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<v Speaker 1>a marina and did bait work. As what you were?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you a bait cutter? What was that job about?

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<v Speaker 1>That was my uh one of the guys that my

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<v Speaker 1>management company. When he was taking down stuff about me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I what I done. He was basically

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<v Speaker 1>putting together a simple bio and uh and he laughed

0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:03.719
<v Speaker 1>and said, I'm gonna put because I was an iron worker,

0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:08.720
<v Speaker 1>I worked in security, uh as a consultant salesman and

0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:13.160
<v Speaker 1>uh sold security services and I actually did and I starved,

0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:18.800
<v Speaker 1>but uh, um, you know I had uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was a newspaper solicitor, had a paper route as

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, you know. And he he laughed and said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna put down bake cutter and fishing guide and

0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:34.679
<v Speaker 1>I laughed and uh and then suddenly it's in a

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper and it went everywhere, and so it was. It

0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:43.199
<v Speaker 1>was not true, and I thought he was kidding. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they had managed rock and roll acts and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I was their first country act. And I think maybe

0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:54.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, they like Kenny Loggins told me once he said,

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 1>when I'm not doing anything interesting, I'm paraphrasing. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll make stuff up and say I'm some where I'm

0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:05.040
<v Speaker 1>not and uh, Steffter, he told me that I was.

0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I was doing an interview over the phone, and and uh,

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:11.760
<v Speaker 1>the interviewer asked me, so where are you calling from.

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 1>I said, I'm in Barbados. Really, what are you doing

0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:18.840
<v Speaker 1>in Barbados? And I said, I'm not really in Barbados.

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even do it. That's funny. So you never

0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:27.479
<v Speaker 1>wear a bait cutter, but now it's it's that's been

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:31.360
<v Speaker 1>part of your bio legacy all these years. Yep, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>people still want to want me to tell them where

0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the fish are. That's funny because I literally was a

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:38.359
<v Speaker 1>bait cutter, and I don't put that in my bio anymore.

0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I was a cricket grabber because I would I would

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:43.560
<v Speaker 1>shovel crickets into tubes for people. I would cut bait.

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 1>I would catch shad and give them out. I was

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:49.159
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a small small time fishing guide. And man,

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:50.760
<v Speaker 1>maybe I should put that in my bio. People ask

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:52.359
<v Speaker 1>me about that because I was really interested to hear

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:55.720
<v Speaker 1>that story. You know, you want that word to get around.

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 1>So when this job falls a part on you, you

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 1>know you'll have some her to go, people of demand

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:04.399
<v Speaker 1>will be there. I wonder, you know, as you have

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<v Speaker 1>this new record, we're weeks away from it coming out,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know you are a guitar player, are you

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Are you playing lead on the record. I played most

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:16.159
<v Speaker 1>of the yeah, most of the electric guitar stuff. I

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 1>do some slide doough bro and electric slide? Yeah do you.

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Finally started that with the Nothing but the tail Ights

0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:28.399
<v Speaker 1>album when Stroud heard my demos and he said, you

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 1>should play guitar on this. Well, Haydon Nicholas, my lead

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 1>guitar player, really got me started when we're writing songs

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 1>one day and he said, you know, with your fingerpicking style,

0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 1>you can play licks like this Ray Flack stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>I laughed and laughed and uh, he said no really,

0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:47.359
<v Speaker 1>and he taught me some things to practice, and I

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 1>went home and got a little, you know, out of

0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 1>a sequencer, call it a metronome, and I started practicing

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:56.639
<v Speaker 1>slowly and sped it up until I was convinced I

0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:59.880
<v Speaker 1>can play stuff like this, And so I played most

0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 1>of the everything but three songs on Nothing but the

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 1>tail Lights and uh, and then I did the Electrify,

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:11.240
<v Speaker 1>which was all acoustic, and there wasn't much to do there,

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.679
<v Speaker 1>and then I started doing it again, and on the

0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:19.359
<v Speaker 1>On Purpose album, I really dug into it and made

0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 1>myself take on a lot of that work. Whereas you know,

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:26.040
<v Speaker 1>I might reach out to Hayden to hurry it along,

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 1>or her, Steve Warner or Brent Mason because they can

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.880
<v Speaker 1>do it in a flash. And uh, I decided, I'm

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:36.359
<v Speaker 1>going to take the time. It takes me longer, but

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>if I can make myself happy as the producer artist,

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna do it. And uh so it's it's

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 1>it's really satisfying and and and it's been a really

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 1>uh it's been a real you know, i'd like you'd

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 1>learn to think you're gonna get better with age, right,

0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:03.639
<v Speaker 1>and the fact that I can play guitar solos on

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Tuckered Out Now, which is our burn burner, really convinced

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 1>me that there's still room for growth, but I have

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 1>to work really hard for it. I'm gonna run some

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:20.479
<v Speaker 1>numbers by you here, uh the numbers. You were chosen

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 1>by People magazine. It's one of the fifty most beautiful

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 1>people in the entire world. How vivid is that memory

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:28.919
<v Speaker 1>when you got that call? You know, what I just

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 1>slashed on all the makeup and wardrobe it took to

0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:40.920
<v Speaker 1>earn that title. You know, It's funny. I can't even remember,

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, I can't even remember that so much was

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>happening to me, coming at me, uh, happening for me. Um.

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I remember now that you say it, that that I

0:27:54.600 --> 0:28:00.200
<v Speaker 1>was given that, But no, I can't remember that feeling. Um.

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:03.639
<v Speaker 1>You know, I I imagine I'm on the bus with

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 1>the band and and and they're all mocking me. That's

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:12.960
<v Speaker 1>probably what we were doing. Whenever something like that that's

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:16.359
<v Speaker 1>outside of the country genre happens, because that's very mainstream,

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>do you start to hear from other people that you

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 1>thought you would never hear from that, to go, hey

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I saw you and People Magazine. I also like what

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.120
<v Speaker 1>you're doing. I just haven't reached out yet. No, not

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 1>in not really in that way I would. I would

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 1>meet people outside my genre. I assume you're talking about

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 1>other artists, yeah, artists and actors, anyone that was like,

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>hey I saw you People Magazine. Yeah. Yeah, But it

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 1>was never it was never clear to me that one

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 1>thing was happening because of the other. I would meet

0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 1>people like Gary Shandling at when he was hosting the Grammys,

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>and he said, hey, you should do my show. You

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 1>should come on and let's goop around. And so I

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>did his show and and UH ended up going and

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 1>playing basketball over his house every Sunday for you know,

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 1>quite a while, and mean a lot of people over there.

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that's how Kevin Nealon and I became friends. Um,

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, I've met Eric Idol because uh Lisa

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>worked with a fitness trainer who trained Eric's wife and UH,

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 1>and so I said, Uh, I said, hey, would you

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 1>give this phone number two uh to Tanya and uh

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 1>and see if I'm gonna record a Monty Python song,

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:42.320
<v Speaker 1>see if if he would be willing to do something

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>on it. And so that led to working with him,

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 1>uh and becoming friends with him, and then meeting people

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 1>through him, other comedians and actors and and and it

0:29:55.520 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>just never it never, I never, I never really knew. Okay, well,

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 1>this is because of my music or it's just because

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I reached out or met someone through someone else. You

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 1>have twenty two number one singles. What's the when you

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 1>play the first look of what song? Do people react

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>a loud as to uh? Well that killing time lick

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 1>on the intro is pretty definitive. Better man is really recognizable.

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 1>And those were you know, those were huge for me,

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Like The Rain. Of course, I don't do the intro

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 1>lick in concert. From Like the Rain, I wrote another

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 1>little uh acoustic guitar piece that I do on the

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 1>front end of that, and then when I start singing it,

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 1>they know and nothing but the tails that licks really recognizable. Um.

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 1>With some of these songs that you play, and you

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 1>have played for you know this at this point for

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 1>thirty years, do you ever go, man, I want to

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>switch up this arrangement because I'm I'm kind of bored

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 1>with playing the same song over and over and over again,

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Like you want to play it for the fans, but

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>you want to switch it up a little bites. Has

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 1>that happen at all? Yeah, I'm really careful about that.

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 1>I I keep in mind that they have some ownership

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>in it and uh an attachment and and so you know,

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm a music fan. When I see someone in concert,

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I've seen that happen and not liked it. I've also

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>seen it and liked it. Um. I've done that on

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 1>records where I did a version of put Yourself in

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 1>my shoes, a real slow blues version with a twelve

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 1>piece horn section instead of harmonica, and uh, I did

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>that for the second Greatest Hits Extra Tracks. And I

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>did a version of No Time to Kill with Bruce Hornsby.

0:31:56.520 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 1>That was a real funky version, and I played around

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 1>with a bad goodbye and I felt, uh, I felt

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>some liberties with that because I wasn't doing it with Whinnona,

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>so the song wasn't gonna be what it was anyway.

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 1>I messed around with a a different arrangement, but I'm careful.

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 1>I try to be careful about it. The new song

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>that I was listening to before I called you is

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 1>America Still in Love with You. I want to play

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of that real quick, and I'm gonna

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 1>ask a couple of thoughts about it. Here's a clip

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>of America I Still in love with You. I'm still

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 1>in love with you in spite of all arabs and

0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 1>down we've done a separate ways, we've come back around.

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 1>So even when you wrote that with Steve Warnery, yep,

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 1>So tell me about that day when you guys go

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>into the room to do this, well, Steve had been

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 1>coming over. We've been doing stuff together, just hanging out.

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>He would come by for one reason or another and uh,

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 1>and and every time I say you, you didn't bring

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>your new Steve Warner gretch. I ordered one and it

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 1>was taken a while to get it, and I hadn't

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 1>seen his and oh, I forgot. And so one day

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 1>I said, well, you just have to come over with

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 1>the intent of bringing that guitar so you won't forget it.

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 1>So he came over one day just to show me that,

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 1>and we were playing around with it. And after we

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>had after we've played around for a while, I said, Uh.

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I said, oh, I had this uh new song idea.

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:33.160
<v Speaker 1>I've got it and I told it to him and

0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 1>it was kind of the basics of the chorus. Uh,

0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 1>sounds like a love song, you know, to a to

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>a woman, and you get to the end of the

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>chorus and America is the lady. And he just reacted perfectly.

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Just couldn't. I didn't see that coming, And yeah, we

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>gotta write that and uh and I just launched into it.

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.959
<v Speaker 1>I said, what what could we do musically? And we

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:01.959
<v Speaker 1>started playing around on it. We just go right in

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>literally standing around the kitchen of the then off the kitchen,

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 1>and once I saw that we had a structure and

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 1>a direction on the versus, I started texting musicians to

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>see who was available, and within about four days we

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:27.280
<v Speaker 1>were all in the studio recording it. And I knew

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I had to hurry in order to make the deadline

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 1>for this album. And I wanted it to be on

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:36.280
<v Speaker 1>the album. Uh my love of the song and the message,

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 1>but also it just went so well with the cover

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and uh, it just has to be on there. Literally

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 1>made it about the same day as my deadline's got

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 1>the master delivered. Well, the videos out too now, so

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 1>people can check out in all of the song. But America,

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.439
<v Speaker 1>I still in Love with You. The music video is out,

0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 1>so man still making the videos. Are they harder to

0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 1>make now or easier? They're harder to make? In Quarantine, Um,

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I was uh again just ordering pieces and they would

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:17.880
<v Speaker 1>come and it was the wrong piece. Uh, you know,

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:20.200
<v Speaker 1>I would order a lens I thought I needed and

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 1>turned out, you know, it just wasn't gonna wasn't gonna

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:30.440
<v Speaker 1>work for the for the framing, and uh, you know

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 1>back in the day, you know, making them for our

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:37.240
<v Speaker 1>c A. Of course, I had these great budgets about

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>eighty five dollars. And uh I worked with a video producer,

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Brent Hedgecock, who really enabled me to be a director

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.719
<v Speaker 1>when I wasn't really a director, but I got to

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>write the treatments. I would write out a treatment for

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 1>the video, and he would budget it out and he

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>would come back and he'd say, that's that's about a

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 1>three and the thousand dollar video. You've got to cut

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:06.560
<v Speaker 1>more than two thousand, two thousand dollars worth of ideas

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:11.800
<v Speaker 1>of this video. And that what happened every time. And

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>uh so we'ld finally get it, uh, get it down

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 1>to where it fit the budget, and we would go

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 1>shoot it. And he was so much fun to work with,

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 1>such a creative guy that when he no longer produced videos, UM,

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I really lost my enthusiasm for it for a while,

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 1>and uh I really just kind of stopped. And then, uh,

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 1>you know when I started putting out these uh these

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:50.400
<v Speaker 1>records on purpose and uh and this one, you know,

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>the management company the first video I didn't know while

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I was this old house, which is an homage to

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the Grand Ole Operty, and they Opery gave me access

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 1>to all or archival footage and so I went through everything,

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:06.880
<v Speaker 1>and I put together a really nice piece that I

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:10.120
<v Speaker 1>spoke to the opry in that old house and that

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 1>that family you know, you know, uh what a hundred

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 1>years and uh and I sent a copy to the

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 1>management company and uh. Now they came back and said,

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 1>this is great, this is really great. I love it

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and uh and and they said, but we really think

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>you should be in it. I wasn't in it, and

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:44.279
<v Speaker 1>uh and I was disappointed and just you know, a

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 1>big sigh. I said, no, really, I don't need to

0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 1>be in it. And we went back and forth that

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 1>way for a while, and they finally convinced me that

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.439
<v Speaker 1>I needed to be in it. And part of it

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 1>was I really didn't feel like I needed to be

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 1>in it. This was going to move people just by

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 1>watching all of these great, you know, opry moments. And

0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:08.040
<v Speaker 1>then the other part was I didn't know how I

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 1>was going to do it, How how was I going

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:13.920
<v Speaker 1>to fit into this? And uh And so when I

0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 1>agreed I was going to put myself in the video,

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 1>I started thinking and and at one moment I had

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 1>the idea that I could be the backstage guide and

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 1>uh and once that happened, the ideas started coming and

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.760
<v Speaker 1>the Harry Potter you know, picture frames come to life

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>idea hit me and I called my editor, said, okay,

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.759
<v Speaker 1>we have to do this. How easy is it going

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:43.680
<v Speaker 1>to be? You know, what do we have to do

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 1>on the front end. So once once that happened, then

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 1>the creative juices were flowing, and I uh managed to

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 1>get it done. You know, I was looking back and

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 1>you can tell me if I'm wrong here. I'm going

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>from memory, but I look back because I had, like

0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:02.120
<v Speaker 1>everybody else, I had to kill in time tape and

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:05.319
<v Speaker 1>so from the record Killing Time. But I don't think

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>that was was better Man. My recollection, it was better Man.

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 1>A single before Killing Time was Yeah. Actually, you know,

0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 1>the first single was set to be straight from the

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:20.600
<v Speaker 1>factory and uh, and I was worried about it in cities.

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 1>I knew it would go over in Texas and Oklahoma

0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:28.879
<v Speaker 1>and I was just kind of worried about it. And

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 1>we got to k z l A and Los Angeles

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:36.000
<v Speaker 1>and Bob Gara was a program director and we're sitting

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:43.440
<v Speaker 1>in his office and uh and and playing that song

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and he stops the tape and he says, well, he

0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:48.959
<v Speaker 1>said I could add that if you get it into

0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:52.360
<v Speaker 1>the top twenty. So I knew what that meant. I

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 1>didn't I know a lot about the business yet, but

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I also didn't know if it would be okay for

0:39:58.000 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 1>me to pull this tape I had in my pocket

0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:05.880
<v Speaker 1>it out and play him something from it. Um Carson

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Schreiber was the promotion guy there, and I kind of

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:12.759
<v Speaker 1>looked over at him and decided, I'm just gonna do it.

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 1>And I pulled out the tape and I said, uh,

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.719
<v Speaker 1>I said, Bob popped us in and play the first song,

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 1>and it was a better Man. And that's what I

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 1>was thinking, you know, it would be a better first single,

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 1>but I just I let him play it. And at

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:27.879
<v Speaker 1>the end of the first course, he stopped the tape

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:30.759
<v Speaker 1>and said, I'll add that out of the box. So

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:35.319
<v Speaker 1>we got out of there and called the head of

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 1>our c A and said, you know, here's what just happened.

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 1>And the decision was made on the spot to switch

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 1>to a Better Man. And how fast did that song

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:49.120
<v Speaker 1>make you feel like you were firmly in the country

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 1>music community. It took a while, you know. I was

0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:58.000
<v Speaker 1>still traveling around in a twelve seater van pulling a

0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 1>U haul trailer four or five hundred miles a day

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:07.520
<v Speaker 1>a night, and uh and and so it was about

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:12.360
<v Speaker 1>a seventeen week climb to number one. So we started

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:17.240
<v Speaker 1>promoting it and I think late February and it peaked

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:24.880
<v Speaker 1>in mid June. I think that's seventeen weeks. Uh. Anyway,

0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 1>it uh it really it really seemed to be going

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.360
<v Speaker 1>fast to me. But that was not a quick climb

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:37.320
<v Speaker 1>back then. But it was rare for a debut single

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 1>to go to number one. And so I'm hearing all

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:45.560
<v Speaker 1>these things, and you know, getting perspective by the time

0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 1>that hit. I think I was. By the time it

0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:51.480
<v Speaker 1>really uh you know started a peak. I think I

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 1>was getting some slots opening for the juds and and

0:41:56.520 --> 0:42:00.120
<v Speaker 1>acts like that. So it started to feel more like

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 1>this is gonna work. I'm gonna make it. When you

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 1>guys decided to put out Killing Time second and the

0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 1>song again, looking back at as my history, I feel

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.759
<v Speaker 1>like Killing Time was even bigger than a Better Man.

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Well it had, it had a step up on Better Man,

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and uh, I think it was more of a honky

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:29.719
<v Speaker 1>talk song and uh, you know, but again I'm I'm

0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 1>stepping off of debut number one releasing that so, uh,

0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:39.000
<v Speaker 1>that song getting in and I think the promotion team

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:43.480
<v Speaker 1>had a little easier time pushing that one out, so

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 1>it had a little bit of an advantage. But it's

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:51.680
<v Speaker 1>it's also you know, it's a it's a different feel

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:56.280
<v Speaker 1>and flavor and texture. Better man was kind of haggard, asked,

0:42:56.719 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and killing time wasn't. I don't know what i'd call it,

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:07.400
<v Speaker 1>but um, it form for me for my sensibilities. It

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 1>really it really felt like this is this is going

0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:16.719
<v Speaker 1>to You're going to get different things from me. It

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 1>was important to me that I had diversity, uh and

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:24.320
<v Speaker 1>my body of work, and I felt like that song

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 1>really spoke to that. What was it like plotting a

0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 1>tour back in the late eighties early nineties? Would you

0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:32.279
<v Speaker 1>have to use a phone book to call places? Like?

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.239
<v Speaker 1>What on the bus? Would you have a phone book

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:39.400
<v Speaker 1>to pull over in call places? Well? I had nothing

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:41.480
<v Speaker 1>to do with that part of it. I had to

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 1>I just did interviews and showed up at radio stations

0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and and uh, you know, targets, etcetera. And uh, but yeah,

0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:56.319
<v Speaker 1>back then, you know we'd have to get to a

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 1>hotel room, get in there and and get on the

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 1>phone them and uh, you know, it was a while

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:07.880
<v Speaker 1>before you know, I got that fifteen pounds cellular phone.

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever do when you talk about targets and Walmart?

0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever go to one of these signings and

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 1>it got to the point where it was so crazy

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:18.719
<v Speaker 1>because you had so many hits in a row. It

0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:22.280
<v Speaker 1>was crazy, It was you know, I've I've said recently,

0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:26.720
<v Speaker 1>you know that back then I was pretty level headed.

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:29.720
<v Speaker 1>I I feel like I never got the big head

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 1>um and I treated everyone well. But I don't know,

0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:40.680
<v Speaker 1>because it was so crazy and I wasn't nearly as

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:45.319
<v Speaker 1>comfortable with it as I am now. It took me

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:48.560
<v Speaker 1>a long time to get used to being famous and

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:53.839
<v Speaker 1>uh the center of attention and uh, you know, being

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:58.000
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of chaos. Uh, it was it was

0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 1>really hard to adapt to. So I would I felt

0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 1>like I went from one chaotic moment to another. And

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 1>there were times where, uh, you know, we're doing nine

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:15.759
<v Speaker 1>shows in a row, one day off, eight shows in

0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 1>a row, one day off. I mean, they had me

0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:24.720
<v Speaker 1>really going and I was reaching the point of uh

0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:30.200
<v Speaker 1>really just the point of breaking. And uh, I told

0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 1>my manager, I said, I'm not gonna last like this.

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 1>And you know, we have to have some spacing in there.

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:39.479
<v Speaker 1>So you know, it ended up getting two days off.

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 1>But I've been that doing interviews and stuff, you know, so, uh,

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:47.480
<v Speaker 1>it was really taking a toll on my vocal cords.

0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 1>And I tried to tell him, you know, listen to

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:53.600
<v Speaker 1>my listen to my melodies, and listen to my songs.

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not Joe Cocker. I can't. I can't

0:45:56.560 --> 0:46:00.439
<v Speaker 1>sing these things with a raspy voice, and I can't

0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 1>hit those high notes. Uh, if I'm worn out. You know,

0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:07.200
<v Speaker 1>you were talking talking about Dancing with the Stars earlier.

0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 1>I was I didn't know that you were on the

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.000
<v Speaker 1>second season of The Apprentice back in the day. What

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 1>was that like two thousand four during the Apprentice, it

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:19.840
<v Speaker 1>was it was really I didn't know what I was

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:24.279
<v Speaker 1>getting into. I saw a clipper two um, and you know,

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:26.680
<v Speaker 1>to me it was going to be going on. Some

0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:29.520
<v Speaker 1>people were gonna be jerks, you know, but we're going

0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:32.200
<v Speaker 1>to go on and do these tasks. And I like

0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:37.480
<v Speaker 1>those kinds of challenges. So so I agreed to do it.

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:41.120
<v Speaker 1>And uh it was eighteen and a half hours a

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:45.560
<v Speaker 1>day every day but Sunday for five and a half weeks. Um,

0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:49.720
<v Speaker 1>and some of the people were really hard to be around.

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Others were great to be around and uh and so

0:46:55.960 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I quickly realized that I don't really have I don't

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:05.400
<v Speaker 1>have a strong enough desire to win this thing to

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 1>compromise who I am, and I would have had to

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 1>do that. I Uh, I felt like, you know, uh

0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:19.080
<v Speaker 1>calling up people I know and and and asking them

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:23.279
<v Speaker 1>for money. I didn't like. I didn't feel like it

0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:27.640
<v Speaker 1>was great for the charity. I didn't win a lot

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:30.480
<v Speaker 1>of money for my charity. You know, I made more

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>for my charity in two days after that than I

0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:36.799
<v Speaker 1>did in five and a half weeks. And uh and

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:41.479
<v Speaker 1>so I changed. I decided that my goal was gonna

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:48.560
<v Speaker 1>be to to to keep my behavior and check and

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:54.839
<v Speaker 1>to maintain my standard of character and uh not let

0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:58.319
<v Speaker 1>anyone draw me into bad behavior. That was my goal.

0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.440
<v Speaker 1>That became right. I'm gonna do my best with the

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:06.640
<v Speaker 1>tasks I'm gonna I'm gonna really limit you know, calling

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:12.879
<v Speaker 1>up people and asking them for money. Uh and uh

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just going to try to get through this

0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:20.080
<v Speaker 1>without letting someone uh bring out the worst in me.

0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 1>And I ended up. You know, I was this place,

0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:32.080
<v Speaker 1>I was there right through the end, and uh, yeah,

0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:36.359
<v Speaker 1>proud of the way I handled it, but it was

0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:40.319
<v Speaker 1>it was it was disgusting. You know, there was some

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 1>some behavior and that that that was just really hard

0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to watch. Well. On on a lighter note, we're gonna

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:53.160
<v Speaker 1>do one old and one new, and I want to

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:54.840
<v Speaker 1>start with I want to run a few things, a

0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:57.560
<v Speaker 1>few song titles that I love by you, and just

0:48:57.760 --> 0:48:59.880
<v Speaker 1>a quick sentence or two about you know what that

0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:03.239
<v Speaker 1>song at that time kind of reminds you of. We'll

0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:08.120
<v Speaker 1>start with when my Ship comes in. Mm hmmm. Uh.

0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:11.440
<v Speaker 1>The first thing I thought of was shooting the video

0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:14.960
<v Speaker 1>for that and uh, you know the the T shirt

0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:19.760
<v Speaker 1>on the sailboat and uh it was it was forty

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 1>degrees and they had a hurricane fan on the so

0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:31.319
<v Speaker 1>so it's so it's it's kind of apropos since the

0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:35.560
<v Speaker 1>song is about you know, being in Colorado, uh and

0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:38.400
<v Speaker 1>waiting for your ship to come in. The whole reason

0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 1>that song came about was because of a skip viewing

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:45.839
<v Speaker 1>song called the Coast of Colorado and Hayden and I said,

0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:50.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, let's let's let's jump off from there. And

0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the other part of it was I'm a big Jimmy

0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Buffett fan and and I wanted, uh, you know, Gulf

0:49:57.040 --> 0:50:00.480
<v Speaker 1>of Mexico came out of that, you know, love for

0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:06.360
<v Speaker 1>his music, and uh and the style, the feeling a

0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 1>shift came out of that too. How about a good

0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:13.480
<v Speaker 1>run of bad Luck? Haydon and I were We're in

0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:22.279
<v Speaker 1>a hotel in Toronto. It was it was crazy snow blizzard. Uh,

0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 1>we had a little time, so we decided to try

0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:28.480
<v Speaker 1>to write a couple of songs. We wrote Tuckered Out

0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:32.160
<v Speaker 1>and good Run of bad Luck and uh, good Run

0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.240
<v Speaker 1>of bad Luck. We knew what we wanted to say,

0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:38.400
<v Speaker 1>but we wanted to make sure we had some good lingo.

0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:41.680
<v Speaker 1>And I played Caesar's Palace a lot, so I thought,

0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:43.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, they'll know me there if I called. And

0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:46.319
<v Speaker 1>I called and and got him to put me through

0:50:46.360 --> 0:50:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to one of the pit bosses and at the blackjack tables,

0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:53.399
<v Speaker 1>and I got him on the phone and uh, and

0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:57.600
<v Speaker 1>so I started, uh, you know, just trying to get

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:02.440
<v Speaker 1>slang out of him, and uh, you know, I'd say like,

0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, what do you guys, what do you guys

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:11.920
<v Speaker 1>call the high rollers? And he said rollers. Okay, I

0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:14.560
<v Speaker 1>got that one, and I asked him another question and

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:17.000
<v Speaker 1>it would be kind of the same thing. So it

0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:21.760
<v Speaker 1>got us pretty much nothing, but we we started writing

0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:24.640
<v Speaker 1>down all of the gambling stuff we could think of

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:28.560
<v Speaker 1>and just launched into writing one more from back in

0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the day, like the rain. Sitting in UH. I had

0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:37.040
<v Speaker 1>had a house. My first house here in Nashville was

0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:40.440
<v Speaker 1>way up north of town, and I needed to get

0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:42.920
<v Speaker 1>into town because it was just too much driving. So

0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:46.680
<v Speaker 1>I found some uh condo. I was in a high

0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:51.160
<v Speaker 1>rise condo and in Nashville, and Lisa and I were

0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:58.680
<v Speaker 1>sitting looking out the window at Highway seventy and it

0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:03.440
<v Speaker 1>was just poor in rain and she loved it, and uh,

0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:07.319
<v Speaker 1>I really have had enough for rain in Houston. So

0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:11.120
<v Speaker 1>UH Now I started playing, thinking, you know, what's what's

0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:14.760
<v Speaker 1>rain music sound like? And I started playing that chord

0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:19.879
<v Speaker 1>progression of the verse and came up with the first verse.

0:52:20.560 --> 0:52:24.319
<v Speaker 1>I said, Okay, that's that's enough. I'm gonna I'll get

0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:26.960
<v Speaker 1>with Hayden next chance we'll get and we're right that.

0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you about the new record, and

0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:31.520
<v Speaker 1>we'll end with this. By the way, if you're listening

0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:35.719
<v Speaker 1>right now, Clint's web store brand new album focused merchandise

0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:38.799
<v Speaker 1>that pre sell autographed copies of the album, pre sell

0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:43.240
<v Speaker 1>c ds vinyl, go to Clinton Black dot com slash store,

0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:46.360
<v Speaker 1>and I guess about the new record. I wonder, you know,

0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:49.000
<v Speaker 1>just as as someone who creates myself, like you don't

0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:50.840
<v Speaker 1>have to produce the whole thing. You don't have to

0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:53.080
<v Speaker 1>play get you don't have to do all of the

0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:55.919
<v Speaker 1>intricate things that you're doing. Why do you keep doing

0:52:55.960 --> 0:53:04.160
<v Speaker 1>it to save money? H Uh? It's uh, you know.

0:53:04.280 --> 0:53:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I I from the first demos Hayden and I made

0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:11.320
<v Speaker 1>where uh you know, he showed me how he used

0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:15.400
<v Speaker 1>an eight track tape recorder to get as many tracks

0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:18.680
<v Speaker 1>on there as possible. I became interested in that when

0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:26.240
<v Speaker 1>about six or seven, I looked into meeting the guys

0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:30.640
<v Speaker 1>with Digit Design, who created pro Tools, and they set

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:33.800
<v Speaker 1>me up in our place in l A down in

0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:38.560
<v Speaker 1>the basement with the pro tools gear and baby sat

0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:40.640
<v Speaker 1>me through. I made a test it for them. I'd

0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 1>find problems they had come to fix them. And so

0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:46.520
<v Speaker 1>I was using pro Tools and learning more and more

0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:51.600
<v Speaker 1>about engineering. So when we got this new place in Nashville,

0:53:51.640 --> 0:53:56.440
<v Speaker 1>I built a studio and uh and really started becoming

0:53:56.480 --> 0:54:00.759
<v Speaker 1>more and more a student of engineering. So I can

0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 1>sit and work by myself and do a lot of it,

0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:07.760
<v Speaker 1>and uh, and I enjoy it. It's uh, it's a challenge,

0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:14.800
<v Speaker 1>but it's a creative outlet. And the result is there's

0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:17.920
<v Speaker 1>just it's just more of me going into my music

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 1>as much of an expression of myself as I can make. Um.

0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:26.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, I feel it'll be a better end result,

0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:31.560
<v Speaker 1>or at least it will be more me, as much

0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:37.520
<v Speaker 1>of my taste in music, my sentiments, my Uh, you

0:54:37.560 --> 0:54:40.919
<v Speaker 1>know what, I would like to hear the songs when

0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm writing them, you know, they they're talking to me already,

0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:48.520
<v Speaker 1>telling me what they want and uh. And then when

0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I create the cut the basic track with a band,

0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:57.759
<v Speaker 1>they're really talking then. And so uh, it's more satisfying

0:54:57.880 --> 0:55:02.360
<v Speaker 1>to give the song it wants or needs myself and

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<v Speaker 1>to hire someone to do it. Well. I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Good luck with the new record, and it

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<v Speaker 1>will be your twenty three album, wow, except for at

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<v Speaker 1>least June nine, And Clint promises it will be out

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<v Speaker 1>June nineteenth, So we're not moving it. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>out June nineteenth, dang it. So it is. It's great

0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:26.840
<v Speaker 1>talking to you. This was this is interesting. Um, I

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:29.320
<v Speaker 1>never know what that means. When someone says this is interesting,

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:34.040
<v Speaker 1>you're like interesting good or interesting bad? Or what? Well,

0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:37.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying interesting good. You know. I knew I could

0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:40.440
<v Speaker 1>give you the long answers and ramble around to find

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:44.080
<v Speaker 1>the point I was making because it's a podcast. But

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<v Speaker 1>you're also asking different questions that make me think more

0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and go in depth to things, and uh uh you know.

0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:57.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean I remember joking in the old days about um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some questions are how did you and Mark

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<v Speaker 1>O'Connor do that harmonica fiddle swap and live and learn

0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:06.839
<v Speaker 1>and and how did that come together? And then there

0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:11.800
<v Speaker 1>were the other questions, which were why the hat? Is

0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:15.359
<v Speaker 1>that what you wanted? Clint? Why the hat? Yeah? Why that? Well?

0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I finally came up with the answer to that question,

0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:20.239
<v Speaker 1>why do you wear a black hat? And it hit me.

0:56:20.480 --> 0:56:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I know now, it's because it makes my head look thinner.

0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:26.719
<v Speaker 1>I need to wear a black hat. I've had a

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:28.439
<v Speaker 1>big head in my whole life when I was a kid.

0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:30.120
<v Speaker 1>When I was a young kid, my mom would have

0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 1>to cut slits into the sides of my t shirts

0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:33.640
<v Speaker 1>to get my head to go through because it was

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:38.040
<v Speaker 1>abnormally large. Oh man, I just had to make room

0:56:38.080 --> 0:56:41.520
<v Speaker 1>for all those brains. Yeah, I guess. I guess. Also

0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:43.600
<v Speaker 1>one of my best friends. And because we're gonna play

0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:45.319
<v Speaker 1>some of this on my my radio show too, because

0:56:45.360 --> 0:56:47.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm such a big fan and I'm gonna, you know,

0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:49.520
<v Speaker 1>do radio and podcasts. This is gonna be used everywhere

0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 1>and even the Countdown. So um. But one of my

0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:55.680
<v Speaker 1>dearest friends named Eddie, and he was just recently asked

0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 1>on the National Show if he could quarantine with one artist,

0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:02.000
<v Speaker 1>who would it be? And he picked you, Clint Black.

0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:06.120
<v Speaker 1>And I saw that, I saw your tweet that I

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<v Speaker 1>was just curious what it's like saying, you know, Clint

0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:11.680
<v Speaker 1>and I have nothing in common? And I'm thinking, yeah,

0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:14.440
<v Speaker 1>we do. And then I went, no, wait a minute.

0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:18.280
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't even my first concert. We have nothing in common?

0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:21.520
<v Speaker 1>What what do you do during quarantine? Like? What are

0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 1>you doing all? What are you watching? Like? What can

0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:25.760
<v Speaker 1>I give to him to show him that you guys

0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:30.320
<v Speaker 1>probably do have some stuff in common? Uh? Well, I'm uh,

0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I've watched everything on Netflix. We watched Ozark, me too,

0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:42.640
<v Speaker 1>every movie, um, you know love, Uh you know, I've

0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:47.440
<v Speaker 1>watched the uh documentaries that uh, Ray Romano made on

0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:51.280
<v Speaker 1>building a stand up act, and that Jerry Seinfeld did

0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:53.880
<v Speaker 1>on or he took you all the way back to

0:57:53.960 --> 0:57:56.120
<v Speaker 1>his first joke at the place he told it and

0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:59.680
<v Speaker 1>went through all of his old material, and then his

0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:04.440
<v Speaker 1>documentary on uh on building his new material. So I

0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:09.720
<v Speaker 1>love to follow that stuff. Um, you know, I'm I'm

0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:12.840
<v Speaker 1>betting he's an Andy Griffiths fan. Of course we all are,

0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:18.920
<v Speaker 1>but uh, you know, for for the oh, Bosh, Bosch

0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:25.720
<v Speaker 1>on Amazon Prime is the best detective show ever. If

0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:28.280
<v Speaker 1>you want to watch a show where the guy's not

0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:31.520
<v Speaker 1>uh you know, you know, swinging off the side of

0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:34.400
<v Speaker 1>a train, throwing grenades inside to kill the bad guys,

0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:39.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, a real detective show. Um, bosh, I'm gonna

0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:40.640
<v Speaker 1>pass all that to Eddie and tell him this what

0:58:40.680 --> 0:58:43.440
<v Speaker 1>you two would be doing watching Bosch and Ray Romano

0:58:43.600 --> 0:58:47.800
<v Speaker 1>right for his first joke. That's it, Clint, then we

0:58:47.800 --> 0:58:52.800
<v Speaker 1>were we were made for each other for Quarantine. All right,

0:58:53.360 --> 0:58:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I'll let you get back to your life, but I'm

0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:57.120
<v Speaker 1>again I'm a massive fan. Thank you for your time

0:58:57.280 --> 0:59:00.560
<v Speaker 1>and good luck with the record, and man, just uh

0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:04.439
<v Speaker 1>just keep being awesome. Hey, thanks you too. A big fan,

0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:08.479
<v Speaker 1>big fan of yours and uh I really enjoyed this. Thanks, thanks,

0:59:08.680 --> 0:59:11.440
<v Speaker 1>talk Hopefully I'll talked to you and let's get out

0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:14.800
<v Speaker 1>there and work again soon alright, hopefully ill see you soon, hope.

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<v Speaker 1>So ay by bye, thank you, bye,