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Speaker 1: M h Welcome to episode two forty two. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to Clint Black and just a little bit. Always fun

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Speaker 1: to talk to people you love when you were a

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Speaker 1: kid who's got new music out too. But we definitely

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Speaker 1: get into a lot of the nineties stuff before we

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Speaker 1: turn the mics on here, Mike, you had asked me

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Speaker 1: if I had heard the new Dixie Chick song, and

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Speaker 1: I haven't because I guess the song came out today, right.

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Speaker 1: I woke up today and for the first time in

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Speaker 1: five years, I want to play golf today. Eddie and

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Speaker 1: Amy hasn't been and I wouldn't play it. So I

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Speaker 1: haven't really done anything. I just you know, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go over music here, but I'm just not feeling a

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Speaker 1: lot of music right now, oddly for a music podcast.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if if it's because I'm really not

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Speaker 1: listening to as much music because I'm not commuting ever um,

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Speaker 1: or if nothing's really hitting me right now. And we'll

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Speaker 1: go through some new stuff, maybe some of this stuff

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Speaker 1: will hit you. But I was more excited talk to

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Speaker 1: Clint Black about the nineties than I have anything new

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Speaker 1: coming out today. You know. Um, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are feeling that way right now. Once we

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Speaker 1: get back to uh what normal, I think some of

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Speaker 1: our normal habits will kind of kicked back in. But

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Speaker 1: have you been listening to new music at all? This week?

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Speaker 1: Is probably like the first week I started listening to

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Speaker 1: some new stuff. What did you listen to that's new? Um?

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Speaker 1: I listened to like, I've been listening to Machine Gun

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Speaker 1: Kelly a lot. And you put out a new song

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Speaker 1: today and I was checking it out and it's weird

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Speaker 1: because I know him as a rapper, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of the stuff he's putting out is a lot more

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Speaker 1: alternative sounding. Is he's singing, yeah, and he's playing guitar

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Speaker 1: a lot, So I like the sound everybody being post

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Speaker 1: Malone now basically pretty much like he didn't never, He

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Speaker 1: didn't have that sound before. Now it's like he's on

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Speaker 1: alternative radio. It's weird. I gotta feel like post Malone

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Speaker 1: created that space. Like rapper, but you can also do

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Speaker 1: rock if you're not to play guitar, Yeah, using real instruments.

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Speaker 1: That's all. Yeah, that's all him. Alright, Well, let's start

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Speaker 1: with some new music out this week, and I we'll

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Speaker 1: start with the Dixie Chicks song because you had brought

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Speaker 1: that up to me. The Dixie Chicks were supposed to

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Speaker 1: put a gas lighter the whole album m It was

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Speaker 1: the first record of fourteen years, but it's been has

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Speaker 1: been pushed back in definitely because of Corona. But they

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Speaker 1: did about this new song, and it is called Julianna. Julianna, Julianna, Julianna.

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Speaker 1: You said Julianna. Somehow you said Julianna. I hear is Julianna.

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Speaker 1: Calm down. I guess this is the time to remind

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Speaker 1: you sometimes what's going through your head. It's just a

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Speaker 1: temperate situation and I would soon be shared. Just put on,

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Speaker 1: put on, put on your best shoes, and stra to

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Speaker 1: fucking round like you've got nothing to lose. Shoot off,

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Speaker 1: with a smile, so then no one knows it's put on,

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Speaker 1: put on, put on vibe. I can't really find the

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Speaker 1: chorus because I'm hearing it from a random time. Is

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Speaker 1: that the chorus? Like that part towards like maybe twenty

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Speaker 1: seconds into the chorus, put on, put on and Katie

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Speaker 1: calm down. You know it sounds like a slightly country

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Speaker 1: Florence in the Machine. Oh yeah, it kind of does.

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Speaker 1: But I was hearing again and I was going, right,

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Speaker 1: beginning again, just with a clip. Guess this is the

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Speaker 1: It's just a temperate situation. Do you hear that like

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Speaker 1: because usually that's not the not the case, it's the opposite.

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Speaker 1: People are trying to get on because of, you know,

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Speaker 1: the platform that we have. So but the Dixie Chick

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Speaker 1: go here and Now from Kenny Chesney. This is record nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Is that right? Here's the title track, here and now now,

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Speaker 1: nowhere in this world, and here's a song called Everyone

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Speaker 1: she Knows She's and the medico down mood. She's sick

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Speaker 1: a mar Jeans. I mean it definitely sounds like Kenny.

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Speaker 1: considered nineties country. But Kenny started then as well and

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Speaker 1: It was like ninety one. I want to say, wow,

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Speaker 1: just a really good singer. You know, when you think

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Speaker 1: Silent from Hot Country Nights. This is Dirk Spentley's nineties

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Speaker 1: this was always the thing that we had to juggle

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Speaker 1: Here is Sorry, Hot Country Nights with Travis Tritt a

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Speaker 1: what's funny is the three artists we've talked about so far,

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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get to Clint Black in a

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Speaker 1: second Dixie Chicks nineties two thousand's Kenny Chats and he

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Speaker 1: band is that nineties uh pop parody band? I mean

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Speaker 1: As long as you've got some feeling of the nineties,

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Speaker 1: Do you feel that at all? Why is that though?

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Speaker 1: The nineties? Well, I think that's when country music went

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Speaker 1: We're Gonna I mean, it was just a really good

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Speaker 1: He played the Opery and I was hosting it last

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Speaker 1: called Crazy for You Tonight Mama, Yeah, Crazy Crazy. Brett

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Speaker 1: Young just back your Mama and love can do. You'll

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Speaker 1: see close to perfect patience. If you want your every move,

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Speaker 1: you can always run into daddy. Let gonna see what

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Speaker 1: else we got here? I guess some other stuff. Um,

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Speaker 1: what's your favorite on the list here? I don't want

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Speaker 1: machine gun? Kelly song? Kelly? We here this one. I

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Speaker 1: don't do freak off, but I'll take song from mute.

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Speaker 1: It does sound like uh, fall out boy. It meets

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Speaker 1: like an angry blank one rock Field. Yeah, it does

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Speaker 1: street this night. That you have any jack that's straight

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Speaker 1: alternative stuff that's not that's crazy. I would never guess

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Speaker 1: that was a machine on Kelly. Huh. I mean that

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Speaker 1: sounds like your style though, yeah, very much so. It

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Speaker 1: Warp Tour about five years like his style is a

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Speaker 1: little a little beyond that. But he could have fit

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Speaker 1: in Marshmallow and Halsey. I saw them laying on the

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Speaker 1: ground together on Instagram. I guess like a promotion for

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Speaker 1: this song. This is called be Kind alright, alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: um let's see if there's anything else I want it.

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Speaker 1: I'll just mentioned some of this um him him him.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was Hime, but when I got no

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Speaker 1: reaction back to him him him. The three sisters they

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Speaker 1: Gabby Barrett has a song featuring Shane and Shane. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what Shane and Shane is. I thought it

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Speaker 1: shovel crickets into tubes for people. I would cut bait.

423
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: I would catch shad and give them out. I was

424
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: a bit of a small small time fishing guide. And man,

425
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: maybe I should put that in my bio. People ask

426
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: me about that because I was really interested to hear

427
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: that story. You know, you want that word to get around.

428
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: So when this job falls a part on you, you

429
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: know you'll have some her to go, people of demand

430
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: will be there. I wonder, you know, as you have

431
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: this new record, we're weeks away from it coming out,

432
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: and you know you are a guitar player, are you

433
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: Are you playing lead on the record. I played most

434
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: of the yeah, most of the electric guitar stuff. I

435
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: do some slide doough bro and electric slide? Yeah do you.

436
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: Finally started that with the Nothing but the tail Ights

437
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: album when Stroud heard my demos and he said, you

438
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: should play guitar on this. Well, Haydon Nicholas, my lead

439
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: guitar player, really got me started when we're writing songs

440
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: one day and he said, you know, with your fingerpicking style,

441
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: you can play licks like this Ray Flack stuff. And

442
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: I laughed and laughed and uh, he said no really,

443
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: and he taught me some things to practice, and I

444
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: went home and got a little, you know, out of

445
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: a sequencer, call it a metronome, and I started practicing

446
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: slowly and sped it up until I was convinced I

447
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: can play stuff like this, And so I played most

448
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: of the everything but three songs on Nothing but the

449
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: tail Lights and uh, and then I did the Electrify,

450
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: which was all acoustic, and there wasn't much to do there,

451
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: and then I started doing it again, and on the

452
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: On Purpose album, I really dug into it and made

453
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: myself take on a lot of that work. Whereas you know,

454
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: I might reach out to Hayden to hurry it along,

455
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: or her, Steve Warner or Brent Mason because they can

456
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: do it in a flash. And uh, I decided, I'm

457
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: going to take the time. It takes me longer, but

458
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: if I can make myself happy as the producer artist,

459
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do it. And uh so it's it's

460
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: it's really satisfying and and and it's been a really

461
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: uh it's been a real you know, i'd like you'd

462
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: learn to think you're gonna get better with age, right,

463
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: and the fact that I can play guitar solos on

464
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: Tuckered Out Now, which is our burn burner, really convinced

465
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: me that there's still room for growth, but I have

466
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: to work really hard for it. I'm gonna run some

467
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 1: numbers by you here, uh the numbers. You were chosen

468
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: by People magazine. It's one of the fifty most beautiful

469
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: people in the entire world. How vivid is that memory

470
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: when you got that call? You know, what I just

471
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: slashed on all the makeup and wardrobe it took to

472
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: earn that title. You know, It's funny. I can't even remember,

473
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: you know, I can't even remember that so much was

474
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: happening to me, coming at me, uh, happening for me. Um.

475
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: I remember now that you say it, that that I

476
00:27:54,600 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: was given that, But no, I can't remember that feeling. Um.

477
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: You know, I I imagine I'm on the bus with

478
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: the band and and and they're all mocking me. That's

479
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: probably what we were doing. Whenever something like that that's

480
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: outside of the country genre happens, because that's very mainstream,

481
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: do you start to hear from other people that you

482
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: thought you would never hear from that, to go, hey

483
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: I saw you and People Magazine. I also like what

484
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: you're doing. I just haven't reached out yet. No, not

485
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: in not really in that way I would. I would

486
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: meet people outside my genre. I assume you're talking about

487
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: other artists, yeah, artists and actors, anyone that was like,

488
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: hey I saw you People Magazine. Yeah. Yeah, But it

489
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: was never it was never clear to me that one

490
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: thing was happening because of the other. I would meet

491
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: people like Gary Shandling at when he was hosting the Grammys,

492
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, you should do my show. You

493
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: should come on and let's goop around. And so I

494
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: did his show and and UH ended up going and

495
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: playing basketball over his house every Sunday for you know,

496
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: quite a while, and mean a lot of people over there.

497
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: I think that's how Kevin Nealon and I became friends. Um,

498
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I've met Eric Idol because uh Lisa

499
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: worked with a fitness trainer who trained Eric's wife and UH,

500
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: and so I said, Uh, I said, hey, would you

501
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: give this phone number two uh to Tanya and uh

502
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: and see if I'm gonna record a Monty Python song,

503
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: see if if he would be willing to do something

504
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: on it. And so that led to working with him,

505
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: uh and becoming friends with him, and then meeting people

506
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: through him, other comedians and actors and and and it

507
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: just never it never, I never, I never really knew. Okay, well,

508
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: this is because of my music or it's just because

509
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: I reached out or met someone through someone else. You

510
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: have twenty two number one singles. What's the when you

511
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: play the first look of what song? Do people react

512
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: a loud as to uh? Well that killing time lick

513
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: on the intro is pretty definitive. Better man is really recognizable.

514
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: And those were you know, those were huge for me,

515
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Like The Rain. Of course, I don't do the intro

516
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: lick in concert. From Like the Rain, I wrote another

517
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: little uh acoustic guitar piece that I do on the

518
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: front end of that, and then when I start singing it,

519
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: they know and nothing but the tails that licks really recognizable. Um.

520
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: With some of these songs that you play, and you

521
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: have played for you know this at this point for

522
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: thirty years, do you ever go, man, I want to

523
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: switch up this arrangement because I'm I'm kind of bored

524
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: with playing the same song over and over and over again,

525
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: Like you want to play it for the fans, but

526
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: you want to switch it up a little bites. Has

527
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: that happen at all? Yeah, I'm really careful about that.

528
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: I I keep in mind that they have some ownership

529
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: in it and uh an attachment and and so you know,

530
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm a music fan. When I see someone in concert,

531
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: I've seen that happen and not liked it. I've also

532
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: seen it and liked it. Um. I've done that on

533
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: records where I did a version of put Yourself in

534
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: my shoes, a real slow blues version with a twelve

535
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: piece horn section instead of harmonica, and uh, I did

536
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: that for the second Greatest Hits Extra Tracks. And I

537
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: did a version of No Time to Kill with Bruce Hornsby.

538
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: That was a real funky version, and I played around

539
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: with a bad goodbye and I felt, uh, I felt

540
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: some liberties with that because I wasn't doing it with Whinnona,

541
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: so the song wasn't gonna be what it was anyway.

542
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: I messed around with a a different arrangement, but I'm careful.

543
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: I try to be careful about it. The new song

544
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: that I was listening to before I called you is

545
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: America Still in Love with You. I want to play

546
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of that real quick, and I'm gonna

547
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: ask a couple of thoughts about it. Here's a clip

548
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: of America I Still in love with You. I'm still

549
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: in love with you in spite of all arabs and

550
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: down we've done a separate ways, we've come back around.

551
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: So even when you wrote that with Steve Warnery, yep,

552
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: So tell me about that day when you guys go

553
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: into the room to do this, well, Steve had been

554
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: coming over. We've been doing stuff together, just hanging out.

555
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: He would come by for one reason or another and uh,

556
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: and and every time I say you, you didn't bring

557
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: your new Steve Warner gretch. I ordered one and it

558
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: was taken a while to get it, and I hadn't

559
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: seen his and oh, I forgot. And so one day

560
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: I said, well, you just have to come over with

561
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: the intent of bringing that guitar so you won't forget it.

562
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: So he came over one day just to show me that,

563
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: and we were playing around with it. And after we

564
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: had after we've played around for a while, I said, Uh.

565
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I had this uh new song idea.

566
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: I've got it and I told it to him and

567
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: it was kind of the basics of the chorus. Uh,

568
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: sounds like a love song, you know, to a to

569
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: a woman, and you get to the end of the

570
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: chorus and America is the lady. And he just reacted perfectly.

571
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: Just couldn't. I didn't see that coming, And yeah, we

572
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: gotta write that and uh and I just launched into it.

573
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: I said, what what could we do musically? And we

574
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 1: started playing around on it. We just go right in

575
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: literally standing around the kitchen of the then off the kitchen,

576
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: and once I saw that we had a structure and

577
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: a direction on the versus, I started texting musicians to

578
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: see who was available, and within about four days we

579
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: were all in the studio recording it. And I knew

580
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: I had to hurry in order to make the deadline

581
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: for this album. And I wanted it to be on

582
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: the album. Uh my love of the song and the message,

583
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: but also it just went so well with the cover

584
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: and uh, it just has to be on there. Literally

585
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: made it about the same day as my deadline's got

586
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: the master delivered. Well, the videos out too now, so

587
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: people can check out in all of the song. But America,

588
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: I still in Love with You. The music video is out,

589
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: so man still making the videos. Are they harder to

590
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: make now or easier? They're harder to make? In Quarantine, Um,

591
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: I was uh again just ordering pieces and they would

592
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: come and it was the wrong piece. Uh, you know,

593
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: I would order a lens I thought I needed and

594
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: turned out, you know, it just wasn't gonna wasn't gonna

595
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: work for the for the framing, and uh, you know

596
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: back in the day, you know, making them for our

597
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: c A. Of course, I had these great budgets about

598
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: eighty five dollars. And uh I worked with a video producer,

599
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: Brent Hedgecock, who really enabled me to be a director

600
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: when I wasn't really a director, but I got to

601
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: write the treatments. I would write out a treatment for

602
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: the video, and he would budget it out and he

603
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: would come back and he'd say, that's that's about a

604
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: three and the thousand dollar video. You've got to cut

605
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: more than two thousand, two thousand dollars worth of ideas

606
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: of this video. And that what happened every time. And

607
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: uh so we'ld finally get it, uh, get it down

608
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: to where it fit the budget, and we would go

609
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: shoot it. And he was so much fun to work with,

610
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: such a creative guy that when he no longer produced videos, UM,

611
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: I really lost my enthusiasm for it for a while,

612
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: and uh I really just kind of stopped. And then, uh,

613
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: you know when I started putting out these uh these

614
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: records on purpose and uh and this one, you know,

615
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: the management company the first video I didn't know while

616
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: I was this old house, which is an homage to

617
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: the Grand Ole Operty, and they Opery gave me access

618
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: to all or archival footage and so I went through everything,

619
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: and I put together a really nice piece that I

620
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: spoke to the opry in that old house and that

621
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: that family you know, you know, uh what a hundred

622
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: years and uh and I sent a copy to the

623
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: management company and uh. Now they came back and said,

624
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: this is great, this is really great. I love it

625
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: and uh and and they said, but we really think

626
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: you should be in it. I wasn't in it, and

627
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: uh and I was disappointed and just you know, a

628
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: big sigh. I said, no, really, I don't need to

629
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: be in it. And we went back and forth that

630
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: way for a while, and they finally convinced me that

631
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: I needed to be in it. And part of it

632
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: was I really didn't feel like I needed to be

633
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: in it. This was going to move people just by

634
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: watching all of these great, you know, opry moments. And

635
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: then the other part was I didn't know how I

636
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: was going to do it, How how was I going

637
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: to fit into this? And uh And so when I

638
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: agreed I was going to put myself in the video,

639
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: I started thinking and and at one moment I had

640
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: the idea that I could be the backstage guide and

641
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: uh and once that happened, the ideas started coming and

642
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: the Harry Potter you know, picture frames come to life

643
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: idea hit me and I called my editor, said, okay,

644
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: we have to do this. How easy is it going

645
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: to be? You know, what do we have to do

646
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: on the front end. So once once that happened, then

647
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: the creative juices were flowing, and I uh managed to

648
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: get it done. You know, I was looking back and

649
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: you can tell me if I'm wrong here. I'm going

650
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: from memory, but I look back because I had, like

651
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: everybody else, I had to kill in time tape and

652
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: so from the record Killing Time. But I don't think

653
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: that was was better Man. My recollection, it was better Man.

654
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: A single before Killing Time was Yeah. Actually, you know,

655
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: the first single was set to be straight from the

656
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: factory and uh, and I was worried about it in cities.

657
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: I knew it would go over in Texas and Oklahoma

658
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: and I was just kind of worried about it. And

659
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: we got to k z l A and Los Angeles

660
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: and Bob Gara was a program director and we're sitting

661
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: in his office and uh and and playing that song

662
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: and he stops the tape and he says, well, he

663
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 1: said I could add that if you get it into

664
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: the top twenty. So I knew what that meant. I

665
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: didn't I know a lot about the business yet, but

666
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: I also didn't know if it would be okay for

667
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: me to pull this tape I had in my pocket

668
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: it out and play him something from it. Um Carson

669
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: Schreiber was the promotion guy there, and I kind of

670
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: looked over at him and decided, I'm just gonna do it.

671
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: And I pulled out the tape and I said, uh,

672
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: I said, Bob popped us in and play the first song,

673
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: and it was a better Man. And that's what I

674
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: was thinking, you know, it would be a better first single,

675
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: but I just I let him play it. And at

676
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: the end of the first course, he stopped the tape

677
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: and said, I'll add that out of the box. So

678
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: we got out of there and called the head of

679
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: our c A and said, you know, here's what just happened.

680
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: And the decision was made on the spot to switch

681
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: to a Better Man. And how fast did that song

682
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: make you feel like you were firmly in the country

683
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: music community. It took a while, you know. I was

684
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: still traveling around in a twelve seater van pulling a

685
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: U haul trailer four or five hundred miles a day

686
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: a night, and uh and and so it was about

687
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: a seventeen week climb to number one. So we started

688
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 1: promoting it and I think late February and it peaked

689
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: in mid June. I think that's seventeen weeks. Uh. Anyway,

690
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: it uh it really it really seemed to be going

691
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: fast to me. But that was not a quick climb

692
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: back then. But it was rare for a debut single

693
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: to go to number one. And so I'm hearing all

694
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: these things, and you know, getting perspective by the time

695
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: that hit. I think I was. By the time it

696
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: really uh you know started a peak. I think I

697
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: was getting some slots opening for the juds and and

698
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: acts like that. So it started to feel more like

699
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: this is gonna work. I'm gonna make it. When you

700
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: guys decided to put out Killing Time second and the

701
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: song again, looking back at as my history, I feel

702
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: like Killing Time was even bigger than a Better Man.

703
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: Well it had, it had a step up on Better Man,

704
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: and uh, I think it was more of a honky

705
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: talk song and uh, you know, but again I'm I'm

706
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: stepping off of debut number one releasing that so, uh,

707
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: that song getting in and I think the promotion team

708
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: had a little easier time pushing that one out, so

709
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: it had a little bit of an advantage. But it's

710
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: it's also you know, it's a it's a different feel

711
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: and flavor and texture. Better man was kind of haggard, asked,

712
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: and killing time wasn't. I don't know what i'd call it,

713
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: but um, it form for me for my sensibilities. It

714
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: really it really felt like this is this is going

715
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: to You're going to get different things from me. It

716
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: was important to me that I had diversity, uh and

717
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: my body of work, and I felt like that song

718
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: really spoke to that. What was it like plotting a

719
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: tour back in the late eighties early nineties? Would you

720
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: have to use a phone book to call places? Like?

721
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: What on the bus? Would you have a phone book

722
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: to pull over in call places? Well? I had nothing

723
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: to do with that part of it. I had to

724
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: I just did interviews and showed up at radio stations

725
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, targets, etcetera. And uh, but yeah,

726
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: back then, you know we'd have to get to a

727
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: hotel room, get in there and and get on the

728
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: phone them and uh, you know, it was a while

729
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: before you know, I got that fifteen pounds cellular phone.

730
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: Did you ever do when you talk about targets and Walmart?

731
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: Did you ever go to one of these signings and

732
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: it got to the point where it was so crazy

733
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: because you had so many hits in a row. It

734
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: was crazy, It was you know, I've I've said recently,

735
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: you know that back then I was pretty level headed.

736
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 1: I I feel like I never got the big head

737
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: um and I treated everyone well. But I don't know,

738
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: because it was so crazy and I wasn't nearly as

739
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: comfortable with it as I am now. It took me

740
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: a long time to get used to being famous and

741
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: uh the center of attention and uh, you know, being

742
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: in the middle of chaos. Uh, it was it was

743
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: really hard to adapt to. So I would I felt

744
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: like I went from one chaotic moment to another. And

745
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: there were times where, uh, you know, we're doing nine

746
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: shows in a row, one day off, eight shows in

747
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: a row, one day off. I mean, they had me

748
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: really going and I was reaching the point of uh

749
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: really just the point of breaking. And uh, I told

750
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: my manager, I said, I'm not gonna last like this.

751
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: And you know, we have to have some spacing in there.

752
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,479
Speaker 1: So you know, it ended up getting two days off.

753
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: But I've been that doing interviews and stuff, you know, so, uh,

754
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: it was really taking a toll on my vocal cords.

755
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: And I tried to tell him, you know, listen to

756
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: my listen to my melodies, and listen to my songs.

757
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not Joe Cocker. I can't. I can't

758
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: sing these things with a raspy voice, and I can't

759
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: hit those high notes. Uh, if I'm worn out. You know,

760
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: you were talking talking about Dancing with the Stars earlier.

761
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: I was I didn't know that you were on the

762
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: second season of The Apprentice back in the day. What

763
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: was that like two thousand four during the Apprentice, it

764
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: was it was really I didn't know what I was

765
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: getting into. I saw a clipper two um, and you know,

766
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: to me it was going to be going on. Some

767
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: people were gonna be jerks, you know, but we're going

768
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: to go on and do these tasks. And I like

769
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: those kinds of challenges. So so I agreed to do it.

770
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: And uh it was eighteen and a half hours a

771
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: day every day but Sunday for five and a half weeks. Um,

772
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: and some of the people were really hard to be around.

773
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: Others were great to be around and uh and so

774
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: I quickly realized that I don't really have I don't

775
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: have a strong enough desire to win this thing to

776
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: compromise who I am, and I would have had to

777
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: do that. I Uh, I felt like, you know, uh

778
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: calling up people I know and and and asking them

779
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: for money. I didn't like. I didn't feel like it

780
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: was great for the charity. I didn't win a lot

781
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: of money for my charity. You know, I made more

782
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: for my charity in two days after that than I

783
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: did in five and a half weeks. And uh and

784
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,479
Speaker 1: so I changed. I decided that my goal was gonna

785
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: be to to to keep my behavior and check and

786
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: to maintain my standard of character and uh not let

787
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: anyone draw me into bad behavior. That was my goal.

788
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: That became right. I'm gonna do my best with the

789
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: tasks I'm gonna I'm gonna really limit you know, calling

790
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: up people and asking them for money. Uh and uh

791
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: and I'm just going to try to get through this

792
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: without letting someone uh bring out the worst in me.

793
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: And I ended up. You know, I was this place,

794
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: I was there right through the end, and uh, yeah,

795
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: proud of the way I handled it, but it was

796
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: it was it was disgusting. You know, there was some

797
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: some behavior and that that that was just really hard

798
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: to watch. Well. On on a lighter note, we're gonna

799
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: do one old and one new, and I want to

800
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: start with I want to run a few things, a

801
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: few song titles that I love by you, and just

802
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: a quick sentence or two about you know what that

803
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: song at that time kind of reminds you of. We'll

804
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: start with when my Ship comes in. Mm hmmm. Uh.

805
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: The first thing I thought of was shooting the video

806
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: for that and uh, you know the the T shirt

807
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: on the sailboat and uh it was it was forty

808
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: degrees and they had a hurricane fan on the so

809
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: so it's so it's it's kind of apropos since the

810
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: song is about you know, being in Colorado, uh and

811
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: waiting for your ship to come in. The whole reason

812
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: that song came about was because of a skip viewing

813
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: song called the Coast of Colorado and Hayden and I said,

814
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's let's jump off from there. And

815
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: the other part of it was I'm a big Jimmy

816
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: Buffett fan and and I wanted, uh, you know, Gulf

817
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: of Mexico came out of that, you know, love for

818
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: his music, and uh and the style, the feeling a

819
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: shift came out of that too. How about a good

820
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: run of bad Luck? Haydon and I were We're in

821
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: a hotel in Toronto. It was it was crazy snow blizzard. Uh,

822
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: we had a little time, so we decided to try

823
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: to write a couple of songs. We wrote Tuckered Out

824
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: and good Run of bad Luck and uh, good Run

825
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 1: of bad Luck. We knew what we wanted to say,

826
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: but we wanted to make sure we had some good lingo.

827
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: And I played Caesar's Palace a lot, so I thought,

828
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, they'll know me there if I called. And

829
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: I called and and got him to put me through

830
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: to one of the pit bosses and at the blackjack tables,

831
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: and I got him on the phone and uh, and

832
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: so I started, uh, you know, just trying to get

833
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: slang out of him, and uh, you know, I'd say like,

834
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, what do you guys, what do you guys

835
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: call the high rollers? And he said rollers. Okay, I

836
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: got that one, and I asked him another question and

837
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: it would be kind of the same thing. So it

838
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: got us pretty much nothing, but we we started writing

839
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: down all of the gambling stuff we could think of

840
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: and just launched into writing one more from back in

841
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: the day, like the rain. Sitting in UH. I had

842
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: had a house. My first house here in Nashville was

843
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: way up north of town, and I needed to get

844
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: into town because it was just too much driving. So

845
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: I found some uh condo. I was in a high

846
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: rise condo and in Nashville, and Lisa and I were

847
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: sitting looking out the window at Highway seventy and it

848
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: was just poor in rain and she loved it, and uh,

849
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: I really have had enough for rain in Houston. So

850
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: UH Now I started playing, thinking, you know, what's what's

851
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: rain music sound like? And I started playing that chord

852
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: progression of the verse and came up with the first verse.

853
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, that's that's enough. I'm gonna I'll get

854
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: with Hayden next chance we'll get and we're right that.

855
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the new record, and

856
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: we'll end with this. By the way, if you're listening

857
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: right now, Clint's web store brand new album focused merchandise

858
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: that pre sell autographed copies of the album, pre sell

859
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: c ds vinyl, go to Clinton Black dot com slash store,

860
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: and I guess about the new record. I wonder, you know,

861
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: just as as someone who creates myself, like you don't

862
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: have to produce the whole thing. You don't have to

863
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: play get you don't have to do all of the

864
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: intricate things that you're doing. Why do you keep doing

865
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: it to save money? H Uh? It's uh, you know.

866
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: I I from the first demos Hayden and I made

867
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: where uh you know, he showed me how he used

868
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: an eight track tape recorder to get as many tracks

869
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: on there as possible. I became interested in that when

870
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: about six or seven, I looked into meeting the guys

871
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: with Digit Design, who created pro Tools, and they set

872
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: me up in our place in l A down in

873
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: the basement with the pro tools gear and baby sat

874
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: me through. I made a test it for them. I'd

875
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: find problems they had come to fix them. And so

876
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: I was using pro Tools and learning more and more

877
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: about engineering. So when we got this new place in Nashville,

878
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: I built a studio and uh and really started becoming

879
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: more and more a student of engineering. So I can

880
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: sit and work by myself and do a lot of it,

881
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 1: and uh, and I enjoy it. It's uh, it's a challenge,

882
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: but it's a creative outlet. And the result is there's

883
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: just it's just more of me going into my music

884
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: as much of an expression of myself as I can make. Um.

885
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: You know, I feel it'll be a better end result,

886
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: or at least it will be more me, as much

887
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: of my taste in music, my sentiments, my Uh, you

888
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: know what, I would like to hear the songs when

889
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm writing them, you know, they they're talking to me already,

890
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: telling me what they want and uh. And then when

891
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: I create the cut the basic track with a band,

892
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: they're really talking then. And so uh, it's more satisfying

893
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: to give the song it wants or needs myself and

894
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: to hire someone to do it. Well. I really appreciate

895
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: the time. Good luck with the new record, and it

896
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: will be your twenty three album, wow, except for at

897
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: least June nine, And Clint promises it will be out

898
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: June nineteenth, So we're not moving it. It's gonna be

899
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 1: out June nineteenth, dang it. So it is. It's great

900
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: talking to you. This was this is interesting. Um, I

901
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: never know what that means. When someone says this is interesting,

902
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: you're like interesting good or interesting bad? Or what? Well,

903
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying interesting good. You know. I knew I could

904
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: give you the long answers and ramble around to find

905
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: the point I was making because it's a podcast. But

906
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: you're also asking different questions that make me think more

907
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: and go in depth to things, and uh uh you know.

908
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: I mean I remember joking in the old days about um,

909
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, some questions are how did you and Mark

910
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: O'Connor do that harmonica fiddle swap and live and learn

911
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: and and how did that come together? And then there

912
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: were the other questions, which were why the hat? Is

913
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: that what you wanted? Clint? Why the hat? Yeah? Why that? Well?

914
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: I finally came up with the answer to that question,

915
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: why do you wear a black hat? And it hit me.

916
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: I know now, it's because it makes my head look thinner.

917
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: I need to wear a black hat. I've had a

918
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 1: big head in my whole life when I was a kid.

919
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: When I was a young kid, my mom would have

920
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: to cut slits into the sides of my t shirts

921
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: to get my head to go through because it was

922
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: abnormally large. Oh man, I just had to make room

923
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: for all those brains. Yeah, I guess. I guess. Also

924
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: one of my best friends. And because we're gonna play

925
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: some of this on my my radio show too, because

926
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: I'm such a big fan and I'm gonna, you know,

927
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: do radio and podcasts. This is gonna be used everywhere

928
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: and even the Countdown. So um. But one of my

929
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: dearest friends named Eddie, and he was just recently asked

930
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: on the National Show if he could quarantine with one artist,

931
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: who would it be? And he picked you, Clint Black.

932
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: And I saw that, I saw your tweet that I

933
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: was just curious what it's like saying, you know, Clint

934
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: and I have nothing in common? And I'm thinking, yeah,

935
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: we do. And then I went, no, wait a minute.

936
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't even my first concert. We have nothing in common?

937
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: What what do you do during quarantine? Like? What are

938
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: you doing all? What are you watching? Like? What can

939
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: I give to him to show him that you guys

940
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: probably do have some stuff in common? Uh? Well, I'm uh,

941
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: I've watched everything on Netflix. We watched Ozark, me too,

942
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: every movie, um, you know love, Uh you know, I've

943
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: watched the uh documentaries that uh, Ray Romano made on

944
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: building a stand up act, and that Jerry Seinfeld did

945
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: on or he took you all the way back to

946
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: his first joke at the place he told it and

947
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: went through all of his old material, and then his

948
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: documentary on uh on building his new material. So I

949
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: love to follow that stuff. Um, you know, I'm I'm

950
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: betting he's an Andy Griffiths fan. Of course we all are,

951
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, for for the oh, Bosh, Bosch

952
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: on Amazon Prime is the best detective show ever. If

953
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: you want to watch a show where the guy's not

954
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: uh you know, you know, swinging off the side of

955
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: a train, throwing grenades inside to kill the bad guys,

956
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, a real detective show. Um, bosh, I'm gonna

957
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: pass all that to Eddie and tell him this what

958
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: you two would be doing watching Bosch and Ray Romano

959
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: right for his first joke. That's it, Clint, then we

960
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: were we were made for each other for Quarantine. All right,

961
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: I'll let you get back to your life, but I'm

962
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: again I'm a massive fan. Thank you for your time

963
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: and good luck with the record, and man, just uh

964
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 1: just keep being awesome. Hey, thanks you too. A big fan,

965
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,479
Speaker 1: big fan of yours and uh I really enjoyed this. Thanks, thanks,

966
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: talk Hopefully I'll talked to you and let's get out

967
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: there and work again soon alright, hopefully ill see you soon, hope.

968
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: So ay by bye, thank you, bye,