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Speaker 1: Welcome in to the JP Shattered Podcast, a special edition

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Speaker 1: on a Friday. This week, we have a very special guest.

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Speaker 1: That's why NFL referee John Perry is with us, an

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Speaker 1: official in the league since two thousand head referee since

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Speaker 1: two thousand seven, in the building this week and nice

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Speaker 1: enough to sit down with us. Good to see you, man.

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Speaker 1: What's up. Everything's great, new season, new new time of year.

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Speaker 1: So we're we're happy to be here. Thanks for having

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Speaker 1: It's exciting for the officials too, not just the players

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Speaker 1: and coaches, but you guys are obviously a huge part

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Speaker 1: of this game each and every week. But after a

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Speaker 1: long offseason, are you excited to get back in the

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Speaker 1: ground here. Well, I don't know if we have a

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Speaker 1: long off season. I'm not sure there is an off

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Speaker 1: season anymore. You know, we wrap up with that Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl first part of February and and most of us

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Speaker 1: do take some time off, roughly thirty five days. But

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Speaker 1: then the Competition Committee meeting gets going, reviewing all the data,

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Speaker 1: reviewing all the plays from seasons past. And there's obviously

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Speaker 1: officials input prior to those meetings to implement changes for

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Speaker 1: our game to make it even better. So our off

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Speaker 1: seasons have become shorter and shorter. Uh. In May we

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Speaker 1: we do all types of physical testing in New York

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Speaker 1: and along with a health assessment, and then in June

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Speaker 1: we do a bunch of testing, both video and written. July,

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Speaker 1: we're heading to Dallas for four days review all these

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Speaker 1: new rules that you want to talk about. And then

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Speaker 1: we all leave Dallas and we had the thirty two

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Speaker 1: teams to make sure we get coaches, players and officials

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Speaker 1: all on the same page. So six, it's another season.

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Speaker 1: It's great exciting. I guess I didn't misspeak a little

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Speaker 1: bit because it never does in well. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a misconception of maybe some of the fans out there

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Speaker 1: that one of these guys do other than show up

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Speaker 1: on a Sunday afternoon at one o'clock and our preparation

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Speaker 1: to performance ratios pretty high. We'll get to some of

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Speaker 1: these rules changes coming up, but I'm interested now since

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Speaker 1: we started talking about the schedule of an NFL referee

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Speaker 1: on a regular game week, do you you have another

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Speaker 1: regular job? I did? I did you, donnymore? But I

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Speaker 1: was robbing Peter to pay Paul for time. Football is

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Speaker 1: more exciting. So in two thousand and five. Actually, I

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Speaker 1: with travel became more and more difficult. And back then

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Speaker 1: we had NFL Europe, so I was doing a regular

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Speaker 1: job two kids, NFL Europe and NFL. So in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and five we made a decision to put football first,

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Speaker 1: and so in theory, I have been a full time

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Speaker 1: official since two thousand and five. Normal week UH is

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Speaker 1: very busy. On Monday, we will spend most of Monday

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Speaker 1: as a crew reviewing the game that we work Sunday

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Speaker 1: all together. We're doing it individually at home, but through internet,

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Speaker 1: through email, text, video conference, phone conference. We'll review our

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Speaker 1: performance individually and as a crew, what can we do

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Speaker 1: better as we move forward. UH New York is doing

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Speaker 1: the same thing Monday's, Tuesdays and Wednesday Day's reviewing every

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Speaker 1: play from every angle that we have to basically evaluate

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Speaker 1: the officials. Tuesday, we'll get some form of a general

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Speaker 1: report of how that game went, what we called that

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Speaker 1: was correct, what calls maybe we should have made, both

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Speaker 1: mechanically and or with flags. We're busy making travel arrangements

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Speaker 1: for maybe the next assignment. We've got a written test

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Speaker 1: that we do during the week, and then if I

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Speaker 1: am working Jacksonville Pittsburgh, for example, the following week, I

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Speaker 1: will take a day and watch the Jacksonville's previous game

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Speaker 1: pole plays for our pregame meeting on Saturday following day,

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Speaker 1: look at Pittsburgh's previous game pole plays for our pregame

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Speaker 1: on Saturday, and then we travel Saturday morning, we get

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Speaker 1: a crew lunch. We got to work one thirty two o'clock,

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Speaker 1: reviewing and pretty basically preparing for the next day's assignment.

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Speaker 1: And it's not so much tendencies for individual players, but

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Speaker 1: offensively and defensively. To ensure that we're prepared to work

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Speaker 1: Saturday night one o'clock game, we're up at seven. We

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Speaker 1: you would hope that on a Sunday night you can

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Speaker 1: Travels become more and more difficult, so there's many many

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Speaker 1: And we do that, of course for twenty weeks. Labor

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Speaker 1: love NonStop. And you've been at your whole life. Really,

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Speaker 1: I mean your father was an official as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and my family business it's in the jeans. I started

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Speaker 1: as a teenager baseball, basketball, football, doing pee wee, doing

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Speaker 1: here I am nineteen years in the NFL. Greatest job

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Speaker 1: in the world. Pretty cool man. John Perry with us

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Speaker 1: NFL referee in town with what part of your crew

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Speaker 1: this week? You split up the crew, right, because you

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Speaker 1: first year in the league, generally they'll send you to

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Speaker 1: two training camps, give you more reps. Uh. And if

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Speaker 1: you may have two camps as well. So as long

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Speaker 1: training camps. They have matured, uh, they've changed over the years.

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Speaker 1: There was a period of time where you may come

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Speaker 1: is a camp lament really to the Jacksonville Jaguars. One

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Speaker 1: of the things that I would say that makes this

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Speaker 1: nineteen years is how well prepared coach Maron Mr Coughlin,

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Speaker 1: they were so prepared for us. They pulled plays from

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Speaker 1: my guests would be over three plays outside of the

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Speaker 1: don't know how many plays he has this evening. I'm

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Speaker 1: But it makes us better, so we're happy to do it.

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Speaker 1: It makes the game better, makes a game better, no

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Speaker 1: changes this year. We'll start with the The standard for

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Speaker 1: the catch has changed again. Control two ft or a

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Speaker 1: body part, and a football move. And that's it, right,

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Speaker 1: the football move is the trump card. If I've got

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Speaker 1: So some of the things that we have seen in

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Speaker 1: necessary to potentially make a football act, but the football

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Speaker 1: So that's our change for this year, I think is clear,

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Speaker 1: we were officiating those plays for the majority correct. Where

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Speaker 1: use of helmet that's the big change that a lot

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Speaker 1: make sure that the fans recognize that annually when the

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Speaker 1: season ends, there over forty thou plays that took place

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Speaker 1: It is our number one priority player safety and the

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Speaker 1: Will there be contact that is face mask to face

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Speaker 1: just starting towards the top of the helmet. Yes, what

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Speaker 1: Most of the issues with players safety occurred with the

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Speaker 1: and eighteen, of course, but we've actually had that rule

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Speaker 1: UH in place. I believe I could be wrong, but

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Speaker 1: I believe it's in relationship to defenseless players. So I

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Speaker 1: go up to make a catch, I'm still defenseless. A

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Speaker 1: Right out of my mouth, because you can't see a

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Speaker 1: lot of things that happen some of some of the things, UH,

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Speaker 1: and the courses as the lower levels go as well.

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Speaker 1: He's been an official in the league since two thousand

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Speaker 1: ahead referee since two thousand seven. John Perry, NFL referee.

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Speaker 1: the opportunity. We'll see you next time on the J P.

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