1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,159 Speaker 1: With trade through that critical waterway, the Strait of Hormaux 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: still blocked. President Trump tonight announcing a new plan to 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: help guide cargo ships linked to countries not involved in 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: the war to safety, Posting on social media, the president 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: writing quote, for the good of Iran them mi ad 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: least in the United States, we have told these countries 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: that we will guide their ships safely out of these 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: restricted waterways so they can freely and ably get on 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: with their business. 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: Yes, it's a new operation called Operation Freedom, though it 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: wasn't specifically said how we're going to guide the vessels through, 12 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: and it doesn't include US sailing warships next orm or 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: something like that. If that's what you were picturing, it's 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: what I was picturing. We're specifically not going to do that. 15 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: So then it was news reports that a couple of 16 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: US flagged boats, big ships that had been there since 17 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: the start of the war, got out for the first time. Well, 18 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: that sounded like good news, But then just a couple 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: hours ago, a South Korean flagged ship was fired upon 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: on the latest news being that it was fired upon 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: in its engine room on the port side, which would 22 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: be the side facing Iran on an outbound transit. So 23 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: somebody in Iran fired on this South Korean flag ship, 24 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: probably to say, how serious are you Trump about this 25 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: whole guiding ships out of the strait. 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 3: I don't know why you're nitpicking. This trade is open. 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 3: The announcement's been made. 28 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: Well, IRGC announced like two hours ago that it is 29 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: the strait is closed. 30 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 3: Oh boy, what is the situation? What's it likely to 31 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 3: turn into? Let's discuss with military analyst Mike Lyons, who 32 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 3: joins us now. Greetings, Mike, how are you? 33 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 4: Heygo money guys, thanks for having me back. 34 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 3: Is it safe to say confusion rains today? 35 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I think it does. It's hard to say 36 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 4: what specifically this naval mission would look like. I mean, 37 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 4: we've done it before. Back during the Iran Iraq War 38 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 4: in the eighties, the United States used naval assets to 39 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 4: escort tankers Koiti World tankers in particular through the straits 40 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,919 Speaker 4: there to make sure that they weren't attacked by iron 41 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 4: back then, and it's you know, the results were mixed. 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 4: That you know, kept some of the lanes open, but 43 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 4: it did led to some direct clashes. There were mine 44 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 4: fields and the like. And again I'm not sure we're 45 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 4: that concerned about that, I think we'll respond right to them. 46 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 4: But the point that was just made about that ship 47 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 4: that was hit on that side, the real threat is 48 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 4: coming from these coastal batteries that are almost indefensible from you. 49 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 4: You know, they've they've got the standoff, they've got this 50 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 4: capability to hit the ships without us having any way 51 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 4: to protect those real ships. So we have to see 52 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 4: what happens if they're going to take cruisers and destroyers 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 4: and put them alongside those ships and actually escort them through. 54 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 4: That's that's a big mission and that's going to take 55 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 4: a lot of military assets to do that. 56 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, well we were talking about it earlier. Is really the. 57 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: Unless you're going to do it, you just described like 58 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: have a whole bunch of big warships go through there 59 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: and and you know, fight fight the people on the 60 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: on the on the beach. The only way to do 61 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: it is to to th threat in such retaliation that 62 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: they don't want to fire on the ships. 63 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 3: Like it's a bigger picture. 64 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: It's the people that would make the decision say do 65 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 2: not do this, And apparently we don't have that to 66 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: terns yet. 67 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean that's the escalationion management, you know 68 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 4: I talked about in my Wall Street Journal article. I 69 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 4: think that needs to be proven again that they'll do that. 70 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 4: It'll take an incredible bombardment along that coastline of naval 71 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 4: assets in order to destroy anything that's there. But if 72 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 4: the IRGC still wants to do that, that one off 73 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 4: asymmetrical threat still can do a lot of damage. And 74 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 4: I think that's what we've got to be concerned about. 75 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 4: And it doesn't still show at the turnshet even the 76 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 4: lack of this US being afraid of escalating it to 77 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 4: a higher levels not deterring them enough. 78 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: We know, you take in a wide variety of inputs, news, etc. Micha, 79 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: what's your perception of how much a squeeze on the 80 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: world economy this whole thing is. Is it merely uncomfortable 81 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 3: or is it uncomfortable leading toward like severe comfort and 82 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: counter reaction. 83 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 4: Now I think it's uncomfortable, but I think it's part 84 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 4: of this administration's overall plan to someone inoculate the United 85 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 4: States from the problems of the rest of the world. 86 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 4: I think the rest of the world is going to 87 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 4: be much more uncomfortable. I think the Chinese are considerably 88 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 4: worried about their energy security with this conflict, especially what 89 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 4: what happened in Venezuela when we took over that operation 90 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 4: or have more control over it. But that Trump says, 91 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 4: the US is energy independent and we are. The challenge, though, 92 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 4: is that the US oil market is still in Petro 93 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 4: dollars are tied to US dollars. The whole economy runs 94 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 4: on that, which is why we have to, you know, 95 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 4: benchmark everything off the price of Brent crude oil. And 96 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 4: that creates the challenge for Trump economically because if we 97 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 4: had to turn inside, we could do what we can 98 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 4: to lower gas prices like the Biden administration did when 99 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 4: they were trying to win an election. Right, So there's 100 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 4: things that the United States can do to help inoculate itself. 101 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 4: It's the rest of the world. I think that's got 102 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 4: the challenge. 103 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: So this is asking for a guess. I suppose, as 104 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: opposed to announce, are we going to get back into 105 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: the kind of kinetic action that we saw at the 106 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 2: beginning of this war? 107 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: Do you think I. 108 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: Wouldn't be surprised. I think Trump is trying to do 109 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 4: everything he can not to do that. He gave the 110 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 4: sixty day notice to Congress that he's ended combat operations. 111 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 4: But all that's really done is we start the clock again. 112 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 4: If you look at the War Powers Act, he has 113 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 4: this capability to go to war sixty days at a time, 114 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 4: and by ninety days the Congress can force him out 115 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 4: of it. Well, he's told Congress that he's done with 116 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 4: that first part of the conflict, so he could start 117 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 4: the clock again. I do believe that it's not the 118 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 4: last time you're going to see us, you know, firing missiles. 119 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 4: I do believe they're going to see a lot more 120 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 4: kinetic action in the future. 121 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: Shore On that topic, there's been a great deal made 122 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 3: about the amount of ordinance we've spent in this conflict, 123 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: some of it sincere, some of it I think just 124 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: this sort of partisanship we're used to scale of whatever 125 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: you want, one to five, one to ten. How concerned 126 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: are you about how much we've. 127 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 4: Spent probably five and a half. I mean, the thing 128 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 4: is Ukraine for the last three years. It took us 129 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 4: a couple of years to revamp our artillery rounds, as 130 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 4: we've used a lot of the deep DPICM, the rounds 131 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 4: from the eighties and nineties that we're sitting in shelves 132 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 4: and we've sent them to Ukraine, so that manufacturing capability 133 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 4: has now increased. But the missiles that we've used here, 134 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 4: the missiles coming from the ships and coming from the sidewinders, 135 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 4: all those things are expensive. They ticul air of minerals 136 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 4: to make. And so when this is over in the 137 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,799 Speaker 4: next few months, and it's already the planning has already started, 138 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 4: there's got to be a much bigger increase in the 139 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 4: military industrial complex. And I think that's why this trillion 140 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 4: and a half dollars budget he's trying to put forth 141 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 4: next year is going to do a lot towards rebuilding 142 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 4: a lot of those stocks. I mean, I still don't 143 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 4: believe the Chinese will because of this. We'll look at 144 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 4: this as a weakness on our side and the side 145 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: to invake Taiwan, and I don't think that will force 146 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 4: us there. But I do believe we're going to have 147 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 4: to have a reset in the next two years once 148 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 4: things go, and we're going to have to really rebuild 149 00:06:58,360 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 4: a lot of our ammunitions. 150 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: Here's a question I think a lot of us laymen have, 151 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: and you can answer it because you're a guy who 152 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: you know, are the military fighting on the ground. I 153 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,559 Speaker 2: don't think most of us can understand why we can't 154 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: get to where we want to get accomplish our objectives 155 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: with just air power. 156 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: It seems like. 157 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: We're to be able to bomb out, bomb regime change, 158 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: or bomb opening straits or whatever. And apparently, and apparently 159 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: a lot of president's also, I was reading out the 160 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: other day, presidents fall in love with air power, the 161 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: fact that we have so much of it and think 162 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: they can accomplish our goals, but we can't. 163 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: And why is that. 164 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a book written back in during the Korean War, 165 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 4: a guy named Fahrenbach in this kind of war, and 166 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 4: he basically said, you can fly over land, you can 167 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 4: pound it, you can bomb it into oblivion, but until 168 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 4: you're willing to do what the Roman legions did was 169 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 4: put your men on the ground, you can't hold it, 170 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 4: you can't take it. And I think I don't think 171 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 4: we're trying to hold her take around here, but you 172 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 4: still really can't have any kind of impact until you 173 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 4: do something on the ground in order to that forward. 174 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 4: So the airpower can bomb them back to civilism, you know, 175 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 4: back their civilization, and can really set them back, and 176 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 4: I think that's what Trump is looking for now that 177 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 4: that visual sign he keeps talking about that their nuclear 178 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 4: program is twenty years set back and all of the 179 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 4: like that. But for all practical purposes to change things, 180 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 4: you have to occupy it. If you want to hold it, 181 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 4: you got to occupy it. And that's that's where the 182 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 4: army comes in. And again we're not going there anytime soon. 183 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 4: So this is going to continue to be in air war, 184 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 4: I think for the very near future and long future. 185 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: One more angle on this, mike, if we might that 186 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal has a piece about how our adversaries 187 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: are watching what's going on and learning about our capabilities 188 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: and limitations militarily speaking, and they point out one of 189 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 3: the big takeaways is that they see the power of small, 190 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 3: low cost munitions even in the midst of all this technology. 191 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: What do you think of that? And what else would 192 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: you add? What are our advertisers taking or I'm sorry, 193 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: adversaries taking from this? 194 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 4: So the two issues, The first one is right, the 195 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 4: economics don't work on air defense as well. You know, 196 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 4: we have a two million dollar missile we're firing at 197 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 4: one hundred thousand dollars missile to try to take it 198 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 4: out of the sky so that economics don't work. Then 199 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 4: we'll do whatever we have to to defend and protect. 200 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 4: So it shows you that we have to go on 201 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 4: the offense. We can't be in the air defense system. 202 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 4: We have to go on the offense to make sure 203 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 4: that our enemies don't have the capability. But number two, 204 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 4: there's this huge undercurrent right now to develop the same 205 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: kind of low cost munitions and technology within our country, 206 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 4: within entrepreneurs and the like. And I think you're going 207 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 4: to see more of that in the next few years. 208 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: You know, the United States is just always going to 209 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 4: out muscle anybody. We can still do that based on 210 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 4: our economy and what we're willing to spend. And so again, 211 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 4: our enemies are looking at us and are trying to 212 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 4: figure out a way to defeat us, but we'll We've 213 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 4: been able to stay one step ahead of them in 214 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 4: most cases, and I think I think we'll continue to 215 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 4: do that. 216 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: Military analyst Mike Clients really interesting stuff, Mike Hecke, it 217 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: could be completely different tomorrow. We appreciate the time. Thanks 218 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 3: very much. Great. I think for me, yeah, yeah, I 219 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: think maybe what warfare looks like in five years is 220 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 3: just anybody's guess, no kidding, uh. 221 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: I think maybe the biggest misunderstanding that regular people have 222 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: about war is what you can accomplish by bombing with planes. 223 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: And apparently, like I said, presidents fall for that too. Yeah, 224 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: we can just bomb our way toward whatever objective we have. 225 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: And according to Mike Liones and reality, based on having 226 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 2: observed many wars now in my adult life, now you 227 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: got to have people on the ground to accomplish what 228 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: you want to accomplish. 229 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 3: Which brings us to the Joe Getty would it be 230 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 3: an axim or a what would it be? Joe Getty principle? 231 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: There you go Creed motto, mm Creed. I like Creed 232 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: the Joe Getty Creed is in an era of low 233 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 3: cost munitions and drones. You can't remove your opponent's ability 234 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 3: to use those weapons weapons, so you must review Jesus 235 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 3: if I could spit it out, I mean, as axioms go, 236 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 3: this one's pretty incoherence. 237 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 2: So fun. 238 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 3: Let me have a second. Do we have enough tape? Michael? 239 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 3: Can I have? As razors go, this is a difficult one. 240 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 3: If somebody is carving this in granite they're getting pissed off. 241 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: They're wasting a lot of good chisel time. And let 242 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: me rewind it real quick. I'm off, so I asked, 243 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 3: all right, in an era of low cost munitions and drones, 244 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: you can't remove your opponent's ability to attack, so you 245 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 3: must remove their will to attack. The oh yeah. Counter 246 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: to the Getty axiom is, hey, are you gonna do 247 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: that without exacting such pain? Did you have to send 248 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: in ground troops and all and complete warfare? Especially if 249 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 3: you're dealing with a religious death. 250 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: That's what I was going to throw in that your 251 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: your your action Creed motto razor works if you're not 252 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: dealing with nihilists who are perfectly okay with dying and 253 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: they're there are people dying and on all their people 254 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: dying right yeah or starving. Yeah, that was a good thing. 255 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: If I die and you die, we're all in a 256 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 2: better place. This is this is perfect, this is good. 257 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and die. Super Wow, the hell's avoided. 258 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: Do get that carved in the granite. Put that up 259 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: on a pedestal. People can check that out at their leader. 260 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: I'd appreciate an obelisk. Oh gotta love a good obelisk. 261 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: What was that? 262 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: The other thing? We got another thing coming up this hour. 263 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 3: There's worth mentioned. Oh it's so good, so I don't 264 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: remember me. I'll wait. What what was it? I was 265 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 3: excited about it? I said, let's do it. There. Have 266 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 3: you listened to that show with the old guys who care? 267 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 3: Remember what they're going to talk about? The one guy 268 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: so mush mouthed. He announces grand sayings and you can't 269 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: even understand them. Okay, whatever it was, it was on 270 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 3: the way so here. 271 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 4: Armstrong and Getty. 272 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: That's funny.