WEBVTT - How Trump's Tariffs & Deportations Are Undermining Democracy | A Conversation with Ryan Lizza 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.920 It's Steve Schmidt here with the warning, and I am 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:07.400 thrilled tonight to be joined by the veteran political journalist 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:13.560 Ryan Liza at tell Us. I'd urge you to subscribe 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:18.720 to tell Us. There's some great journalism, some long form 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:25.560 journalism on there about an incredible abuse of power by 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:33.199 a mag lawyer. Ryan's entanglement in it reads like a novel. Today, 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:41.880 Ryan had on Judge Michael Ludig, veteran federal judge, one 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:48.000 of the pre eminent conservative legal minds of his generation 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:55.160 and a deeply principled believer in the rule of law, 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:03.120 the American Constitution. And you can see Judge Ludiic and 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:07.480 his appearance with Ryan on Ryan's podcast and tell Us, 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:11.720 and I encourage you to watch it because Judge Ludik 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:16.840 is going to in that podcast detail in a way 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:24.720 that's very accessible the lawlessness, the disregard for the Constitution, 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.640 and all of those things we're gonna talk about that. 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:33.800 To kick off, I wanted to make one initial point 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.280 here as we begin the conversation tonight, and it is 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:43.880 I see one of our Canadian community members, and I 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:49.160 was walking into a Canadian grocery store earlier and Every 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.840 item in that store is tagged with the Canadian flag 0:01:54.120 --> 0:02:02.000 to indicate if it is a Canadian product. And the 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:08.520 pride of the country with regard to its prime minister 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:15.000 is palpable. And we're going to talk about Mark Carney 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:23.399 tonight as a portraiture of leadership and the oppositional character 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.200 creates that he has to so much of the Washington 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:35.360 DC Democratic establishment. Smart able, obviously noncompetulant, and I thought, 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:41.640 and we'll start this, I do have one fact check 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.960 in the old spirit of things that the Prime Minister 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:51.640 said that was deeply untrue in this moment, and it's this. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:59.520 He said, Canada is not for sale, and that is 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:05.560 trip but Dan and the Prime Minister motioned in the 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.240 Oval Office and he said, in some places are not 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:13.840 for sale, but the American Oval Office is most certainly 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:19.640 for sale. And Donald Trump is renting it out like 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:24.239 a whore from an old West town, one shekel at 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:28.920 a time to every hour potentate they can get a 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:36.440 bitcoin of them and down to Marilago. It is an appalling, palling, 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:43.840 ethical armageddon and a corruption that we're witnessing. There's a 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:48.120 staging and I want to talk about that tonight. 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.920 As well. But I want to kick it off just about. 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:57.240 How you read that room? What went down there yesterday? 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:07.520 How do you process what? I observe? His madness, insanity incoherence, 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:18.760 a portraiture of psychological disorder of meglomania manifesting itself. Donald 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:24.960 Trump surrounded by henchman in sick offense the Canadian Prime 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:29.760 Minister there in a very high stakes moment that I 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:35.480 think he acquitted himself with the highest degree of statesmanship. 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:40.720 I have awesome respect for him, right, maximum respect for 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:44.679 Prime Minister Mark Carney right, as a as a leader 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:50.280 who defends liberty, who defends freedom, defends what's right in 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.599 this in this moment, And so like, how did you 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:54.520 read that room? 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.200 I think I mean two things. I mean, Carney's election 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:06.640 was propelled by Trump, right, it was propelled by anti 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.560 Trump feeling in Canada. So I'm sure he went in 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.760 there despite all the bullshit that Trump has been saying, 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:15.919 and all and all the nonsense about Canada being the 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:20.919 fifty first state. He went in there with you know, 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:28.919 political wind at his back, recently elected popular, whereas Trump 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:34.200 is uh suffering from a cratering in the polls in 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:40.360 recent weeks he's suffering from hit after hit by federal 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:49.320 judges around the country declaring the that his major initiatives 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:54.960 so far are don't pass legal muster. And so I 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.680 think that's the sort of setup. I mean, I think 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:01.760 sometimes we think of Trump as this, uh, you know, 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:06.320 a titanic political figure because he's, you know, he's had 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.880 this incredible comeback politically and you know, he's back in 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.560 the White House, but he's not doing great right now, Steve. 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.760 In my view, so that was the first thing. Is 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:19.760 a politician on the up and you know, one coming down, 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.239 and the relationship between them is, you know, this Canadian 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:29.120 Prime minister has been helped by by Trump's nonsense. Parney was, 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.520 you know, a statesman. He didn't get into. You know, 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.400 it's amazing to me how these traditional politicians are able 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.279 to uh not get in the gutter with Trump and 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.159 not try and come into the Oval office and engage 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.440 in the kind of antics that he does. He must 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.400 be I'm sure it's very tempting for them to do that. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.480 He didn't do that. He made some jokes. I don't 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.960 know if you agree or not, but Trump kind of 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.479 was a whimp about about everything. I mean, he didn't. 0:06:55.680 --> 0:07:01.960 He didn't he wasn't pushing him on this, on this stuff. 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:03.960 He made a couple of cracks about it. I mean, 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.839 I think a certain sense to me, it was like 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:10.440 Trump actually understands how idiotic and juvenile the whole thing is, 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.320 and he's almost embarrassed to really push it, uh in 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.760 front in front of this person. So that was you 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:21.320 know that, that was my basic read on it is 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:26.480 you know, Trump is very conflict diverse in real life, right. 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:31.080 I think you know, the the Zelenski meeting maybe was 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:35.679 an outlier in that sense, but he doesn't like face 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:37.960 to face uh, confrontation. 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:38.600 You know. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.400 The stuff from the Apprentice was just you know, bullshit 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:46.160 TV TV stuff, right, And so yeah, that was my 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.920 basic read, my basic read on it. You're the you're 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:52.200 the you are the Canadian expert here, Steve. You're there 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:57.520 a lot, and you're now basically an ambassador to Canada. Uh, 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:02.440 you're when when you go up there. So what was 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:03.400 what was your takeaway? 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.960 Well, you know, listen, I crossed the border last night 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:12.400 in each border guard, uh, you know, at the you know, 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:18.600 very professional Canadian border services. I apologized uh on behalf 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.480 of the United States and let them know. You know, 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.640 American people are not behind this. Uh. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.280 I think it's outrageous. 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.320 You know, you think about the World Cup and the 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:38.199 comments about jd Vance, about the threat implicit to Ice 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.719 Barbie who by the way, you know, a raid at 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:47.080 a Washington d c restaurant in the footprint really of 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:52.760 the White House owned by the husband of the CBS 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:59.800 anchor woman, uh a few days after the way, after 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:08.080 sixty minutes raises the steaks is deeply suspect to me. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:17.080 And so in this moment, I think that it's very 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:23.640 important for people to see clearly what's going on. And 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:29.920 what morek Carney did is show the whole world how 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:35.800 easy it is to manipulate Donald Trump and how incoherent 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:42.559 he is, and whether the sycophants like Steven Miller who 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.920 go on and they say things on Fox like well, 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:52.400 you know, look, I'm watching the Grand Chess Master, right, 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:59.120 You're watching a ship of fools doing real arson. And 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.840 so with regard to people, you know, as you cross 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:04.880 a border, you know, does. 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:13.240 Os Donald Trump, do not. 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.640 Spend your money in the United States, do not buy 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:21.440 an American product, send a signal Tesla is collapsing. They 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:25.200 cannot get rid of the cyber trucks. He has two 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:29.240 hundred million dollars of inventory. Right, the company is on 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:36.560 a path to destruction. And all of these things, interconnected together, 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:41.560 will weaken core pillars of this movement. And we're seeing 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:46.000 that clay out right now. It's gonna get worse, right, 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.640 Because what I wanted to ask you also, is is 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:56.400 there a sense in Washington about that seven weeks from now, 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:02.599 there's gonna be really a fundamental collapse of inventory and 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:08.360 stores and a high consumption society. So there's gonna be 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:12.040 a lot of items that suddenly become scarce, Prices will 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:19.880 go up, jobs will disappear. And when you look at 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:26.560 agricultural forecasts and some of this maybe the inability to 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:32.960 pick crops, the inability to move crops to markets internationally, 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.120 which has a real implication for long haul truck drivers, 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.960 which is really the number one living wage job, right 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.680 for a non college educated white guy in the country, right, 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:50.640 a core Trump constituency. Right, all of this, as we 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:55.160 move into the September October I think takes Trump down 0:11:55.200 --> 0:12:00.160 to about a twenty nine thirty percent approval level. This 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.920 should be a historic glow. I worried about thirty eight 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.439 thirty nine hovering right there right now. I think he's 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.199 headed to the thirty five, and he's going to get 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:15.520 lower than thirty five and kind of arc from about 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:26.160 and the accumulation of all of this is going to 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:31.840 be really devastating in a lived experience for people. And 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:33.920 so how do you see that? 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:38.200 Look, I think you're right. I think the April market 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:43.680 slide which was scary and created a lot of bad 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:48.000 headlines and freaked people out and obviously damaged his poles, 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:52.120 but it was not it was not anything that people 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:59.160 lived experience. People weren't affected by it in their pocketbook. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:00.520 I mean, maybe there afore a whole and k's were 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.880 affected by it, but you know, it wasn't like we 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:06.440 were in the teeth of a recession, right. It was 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:11.280 just a big, big warning sign from that market drop, 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:15.120 and it absolutely the bottom fell out of his polls. 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.320 To the extent that can happen for any president these days, 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.800 I think you're probably saying twenty nine to thirty percent, 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:23.360 because that's probably the sort of dead end or base 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.839 that he has that will, you know, will just never 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:31.320 say they disapprove of him. And so I think you're 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.880 absolutely right that considering just the freakout of what the 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:40.600 tariffs could do produced that kind of hit the actual ech. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.560 And remember, the market has recovered, you know, most of 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.959 what it lost. Trump has not recovered most of the 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:52.080 polling support that he lost. And so at the actual 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:56.920 economic effects of these tariffs, which we haven't seen yet, right, 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:03.480 that is like a storm on the horizon that every 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:07.720 day that he keeps these tariffs uh intact, uh is 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:13.680 more likely to uh hit landfall. So I completely agree 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.000 with you if you if you read closely the what 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:21.120 you know, small businesses, large businesses, what's happening with uh 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:25.920 uh shipping, and just the sort of uh slow accretion 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:32.360 of everyone preparing for especially the China tariffs. It's going 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.680 to it's it's going to hit, and it's going to 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:39.280 hit hard. And he doesn't really have, you know, uh 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:43.080 a plan to you know, say, oh, sorry, these these 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.800 tariffs are gone now. I mean they only just started 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.280 talking to the to the to the Chinese this week, 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.960 even though Trump said they've been in negotiations for for 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:56.480 uh for weeks. That was an obvious lie. So I agree, 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.280 you know, I I'm not a I don't make predictions 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.240 about Trump and support anymore, because if you know, if 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.520 I was doing that, I you know I wouldn't be 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.400 very accurate. I never thought he'd be in the White 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.960 House again. So I'm always, I'm always very cautious of 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:14.320 those predictions, Steve. But I think it's an absolute fact 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.600 that we have not seen the worst hit yet from 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:22.600 these tariffs, and just the freakout last month produced his 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.120 biggest his his lowest approval ratings as president. 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:34.640 You live in wash and Ken and I'm genuinely play. 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.920 I'm gonna I just had a role play for a second. 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.320 I'm gonna pretend I was in the US Senate, right 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:49.960 and I'm a Democratic senator and we're having our caucus meeting, 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.080 and what I would stand up and I would say is, 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:58.440 ladies and gentlemen, he's not having that fucking parade. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:15:59.280 He is. 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:05.760 He is not not having a Kim Jong un celebration 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:12.480 of himself using six thousand active duty soldiers of the 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:17.080 United States aren't forces on the two hundred and fiftieth 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:21.760 anniversary of the perth of the United States Army, no 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:28.720 right and all in and stop it, and would do 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:33.920 whatever is necessary to obstruct the workings of government at 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:40.160 every conceivable level, from dawn to dusk, around the clock 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:48.200 until it stops. And I just wonder why there is 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:57.920 not anybody in the Senate that seems to appreciate that 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:08.600 the moving of the line two greater absurdities, two greater 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:18.399 desecrations of tradition of restraint in a democracy and a republic. 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:26.919 Why do we have such a contaminated. 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:33.240 Group of leaders that nobody, with very few. 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:48.040 Exceptions, sorry about that, seemed to understand right that some 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:53.360 fights come to you, right and you have to meet 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:57.199 them where they are. What is the strategic gap? 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.280 Well, I mean, this is going to sound like the 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:05.000 real Washington answer, but I think you are confusing democrats 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:12.280 in the Senate for people who actually have power and influence. 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:19.560 And I don't I just I think there's this overestimation 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:26.119 about what they can actually do, all right, that you know, 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.679 I'm you know, not to go to bat for those guys, 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.840 but I'm you know, I'm somewhat sympathetic to the argument 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:37.200 of they've got to pick their fights, and pick fights 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:38.879 where they can actually. 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:45.000 For sure the nominations, can they can they stop a nomination? 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.199 And for and for how long? So for example, they 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:48.440 could do. 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.159 They could do a Tubberville did last you know, in 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.760 the Biden administration and hold up uh, you know, military 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:59.840 promotions that would be related to the military parade. I'm 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:01.240 just you know, I'm just thinking off the top of 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:03.480 my head of what obstructionist techniques have happened. 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:09.000 Well, everybody wants but why not. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:12.520 Well, I don't know, I'm not I even't thought I 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.120 thought this through. I think there is an argument against 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.920 what Tubberville did. You remember this fight, right, Tuberville was 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.000 holding up all these military promotions that just the way 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:23.600 they get passed through the Senate is on just a 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:28.920 big you know, uh as a big group. Well, let's 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:30.960 think this through. If they did that, I mean, all 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.919 the arguments they made against what Tubberville did would be 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.600 thrown back in their face and they would say what 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:40.399 they would say, yes, we need you know, this is 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.600 necessary because it's the one tool. I'm just thinking out 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:47.480 loud here, Steve, because you've you've you've triggered this conversation, 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.200 and let's think of this through whether this would actually 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.960 be politically smart to do or not. They would say, yeah, 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:57.440 this this parade is a is a disgrace and one 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.320 tool that we have is we can we can hold 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:07.479 up these military promotions. We uh support them, we uh, 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.960 but we need to make a stand here. I don't 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.560 know I would that sell got wrong? 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.800 Am I wrong about? I just want to make sure 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:19.840 that I'm right about this? 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:21.000 Right? They do? 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:30.360 So the military promotions that were all sentate firmable appointments. Yeah, 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.520 we talk that that the hold right, the hold that 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.520 they can put on is on any nomination. So any 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:41.280 senator has the ability to say I'm putting a hold 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:45.200 on a B or C right, it's not moving forward. 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:57.080 So if you have forty seven Democratic senators, right, forty 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:03.480 seven different holds right, stand united on each nomine like that, 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.360 they have that power to. 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.720 Do that under the Senate rules. 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:14.000 I believe because yeah, yeah, I believe so because that 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.280 Tuberville was able to do that in twenty twenty three, 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.439 he had blocked reading a piece here from NPR. He 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:26.920 had blocked all military promotions, uh since since between February 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:30.920 and December of twenty twenty three, and his he did 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:39.200 it over objections to Pentagon abortion policy. So so that's 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.480 a one that's a one man operation there. He was 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:47.760 able to do that single handedly so could they do that? Yeah, 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.440 but what what's is that gonna Is that gonna be 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:53.439 smart politically to say? 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:56.520 I think is. 0:21:56.320 --> 0:22:00.000 Is Trump going to care? Does he give a military promotion? 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:02.119 I think? 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:06.359 Well, the point is that it's all nominees across the 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:12.800 depth and breadth of everything everywhere, right as. 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:17.040 But remember with other nominees you can't. I mean you can, 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:19.520 you can, you can draw things out a little bit, 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:24.359 but nominees are not subject to fill the filibuster anymore, right, 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:28.000 and so there are certain things Democrats. 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:28.040 Can do to. 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:34.080 But they still have the power of that fold on them. 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.000 I'm talking about other nominees if you're just talking about 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:38.600 the military promotions. 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:43.520 If you were outside, does a Democratic senator, for example, 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:48.439 have the ability to say, now that Mike Waltz is 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:55.840 nominated to be the un UH ambassador, No way, right, 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:57.120 I'm putting a hold on him. 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:00.320 They don't. They don't because once it looks he gets 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:04.800 he goes the process for these other nominees. The basic 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:10.560 process for judges and for Senate confirmable positions now is 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.560 they go through the committee process, they go to the floor, 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.840 and then it's just a majority vote. It can't be filibustered, right, 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:20.880 And I'm not enough of a Senate guy to know 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:26.920 why the military promotions there's something technical about that where 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:29.639 one senator was able to hold them up. So just 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:33.320 but there is a distinction between those two things. But 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:36.120 on the Waltz thing, they can't do it. This guy, 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:38.399 Ed Martin, Steve, I don't know how much you followed 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:38.880 Ed Martin. 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:40.560 This is a. 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:43.800 Lunatic January sixth or who Trump wants to be the 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:49.960 permanent US Attorney here in Washington, d C. And you 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:53.480 know he was on a glide path until yesterday when 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:56.720 Tom Tillis of North Carolina, Republican senator from North Carolina, 0:23:57.080 --> 0:24:00.400 who you know every one in a hundred times will 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:04.920 break with like the absolute worst Trump policies. Till Us 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:09.080 came out against Martin, just shocking that he's the only 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:13.160 Republican senator on the Judiciary Committee. 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:16.520 So this guy's a legitimate Nazi sympathizer. He's got a 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:23.080 legitimate Nazis around him that he's done stuff with, you know, 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:30.080 weird associations, threatening the lock opponents up, just off the wall. 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:33.800 Look, this guy. The first thing he did as acting 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:39.040 US Attorney was dismiss a case that the old US 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:43.880 attorney was prosecuting, that Ed Martin, the new US attorney 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:49.920 was the defense attorney on for a January sixth defendant. 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.600 So imagine, Steve, you were suddenly given the power of 0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:57.080 a prosecutor and you were previously a defense attorney representing 0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:00.320 this January sixth defendant, and you just killed the case. 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:03.760 So that was that was one of his first acts. 0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:08.040 He is a He was at January sixth. He has 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:11.840 routinely described it as a day of you know, I'm 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:15.800 paraphrasing here, you know, peace and joy and love, and 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:20.400 obviously celebrated Trump's pardons of all the January sixth criminals. 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:25.800 And by the way, he has absolutely zero prosecutorial experience. 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:33.879 If by my reckoning, he was perhaps in the in 0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.760 the top three, but maybe number one in terms of 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:42.399 the most disturbing Trump nominees if you get past like 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.320 you know, Tulsea and RFK and some of these others, 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:48.399 but he was in that pantheon and you know, Pambody, 0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:50.399 but really really scary because this guy was going to 0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:54.440 be the US attorney for Washington, d C. Where there 0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:58.680 is a just target rich environment of people and institutions 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:03.120 that this White House hates and we were looking at 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:06.639 you know, so right now because Tom Tillis did the 0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:08.600 right thing and said, you know, I'm not a big 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:13.720 fan of January sixth sympathizers. It looks like Ed Martin's 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.760 nomination is dead. Uh, he's still current, he's still the 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:20.159 acting US Attorney, but it's going to expire, uh in 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:20.960 a couple of weeks. 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:22.120 Who knows. 0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:24.359 That's one to watch because Trump wants this guy in 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:29.399 that position, and I don't think he's gonna make it now, 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.680 but he you never know, who knows if Trump goes 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:35.520 to the wall for this guy and they find a 0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:38.040 way to get him to the floor, but they don't 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.320 have the votes in the Judiciary Committee right now to 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:43.480 get him out. And I don't think uh, Senate Republican 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:47.240 leaders really want to, you know, send him to the 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:50.360 floor absent a committee vote. But it's you know, it's 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:52.760 still it's still possible. But he's someone that your your 0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:56.160 viewers should keep an eye on because he's just an 0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:00.879 absolute worst of the worst in terms of being unqualified 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:04.439 and having views that are just so out of step 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.400 with what you would want in a in a US attorney. 0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.600 So anyway, right we gotta. I've got to brush up 0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:13.280 on Senate procedure for next time. 0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:17.160 Yeah, because my, my, because my fundamental question right, because 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:21.719 it's definitely entwined with the politics right of the moment 0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:25.680 is and I honestly don't know the answer to the quack, 0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:32.520 which is, you can't filibuster a nominee, but a whole 0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:34.840 is different than a felibuster. 0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:37.280 You can fill it. You can filibuster the way that 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:39.160 like Corey Booker did, but like you. 0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:40.280 Know, not. 0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:47.119 In an old school sense. Right, the rules changed and 0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:48.320 I got that you. 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:49.840 Hold the floor if you want to do it, you 0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.120 got to hold the floor the way Corey Booker did recently. 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:53.920 And so there's a human limit to that. 0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:58.919 But still I wonder if there is a and I 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:03.520 have to find this out, which is does the senator 0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:08.520 still have the power to stop a process? 0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:13.159 They don't. They don't, they don't. You would have you 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.080 would have seen it done with Tulca Gabbard and r 0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:20.560 F k and Pam Bondy. They don't have that power anymore. 0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:26.520 You can, you can delay things, but the majority in 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:31.080 the Senate will get a nominee to the floor and 0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:36.000 vote it on. If eventually, so you can you can 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:40.480 delay things, but you can't permanently hold them up. I 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:43.520 mean that's what we would, you know, call a filibuster. 0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:46.840 The talking filibuster still exists, and we saw Corey Booker 0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:51.200 use it recently. But you gotta you gotta do that. 0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.360 Uh you know, there's only so many hours you can 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:55.880 actually uh do that. 0:28:56.120 --> 0:29:02.720 Do you assass do you assess straight cagically that in 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:09.240 the strategy room, that the strategy is maximalist, that this 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:14.280 is your we are one hundred percent obstructionist. This is 0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:20.160 one hundred percent of the time to assert our maximum 0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:24.680 amount of inherent power, as the article one is. 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:28.560 This is where I think you're getting out with these questions, 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:32.520 and that the answer to that is clearly no. Right, 0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:35.960 it's clearly no. And you know, if you talk to 0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:39.120 the real nerds of Senate procedure, you know they'll give 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:43.160