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Speaker 1: It's Steve Schmidt here with the warning, and I am

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Speaker 1: thrilled tonight to be joined by the veteran political journalist

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Speaker 1: Ryan Liza at tell Us. I'd urge you to subscribe

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Speaker 1: to tell Us. There's some great journalism, some long form

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Speaker 1: journalism on there about an incredible abuse of power by

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Speaker 1: a mag lawyer. Ryan's entanglement in it reads like a novel. Today,

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Speaker 1: Ryan had on Judge Michael Ludig, veteran federal judge, one

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Speaker 1: of the pre eminent conservative legal minds of his generation

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Speaker 1: and a deeply principled believer in the rule of law,

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Speaker 1: the American Constitution. And you can see Judge Ludiic and

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Speaker 1: his appearance with Ryan on Ryan's podcast and tell Us,

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Speaker 1: and I encourage you to watch it because Judge Ludik

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Speaker 1: is going to in that podcast detail in a way

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Speaker 1: that's very accessible the lawlessness, the disregard for the Constitution,

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Speaker 1: and all of those things we're gonna talk about that.

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Speaker 1: To kick off, I wanted to make one initial point

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Speaker 1: here as we begin the conversation tonight, and it is

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Speaker 1: I see one of our Canadian community members, and I

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Speaker 1: was walking into a Canadian grocery store earlier and Every

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Speaker 1: is palpable. And we're going to talk about Mark Carney

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Speaker 1: tonight as a portraiture of leadership and the oppositional character

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Speaker 1: and we'll start this, I do have one fact check

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Speaker 1: in the old spirit of things that the Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: He said, Canada is not for sale, and that is

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Speaker 1: trip but Dan and the Prime Minister motioned in the

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Speaker 1: Oval Office and he said, in some places are not

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Speaker 1: for sale, but the American Oval Office is most certainly

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Speaker 1: for sale. And Donald Trump is renting it out like

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Speaker 1: a whore from an old West town, one shekel at

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Speaker 2: As well. But I want to kick it off just about.

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Speaker 1: How you read that room? What went down there yesterday?

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Speaker 1: How do you process what? I observe? His madness, insanity incoherence,

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Speaker 1: Trump surrounded by henchman in sick offense the Canadian Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister there in a very high stakes moment that I

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Mark Carney right, as a as a leader

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Speaker 1: who defends liberty, who defends freedom, defends what's right in

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Speaker 1: this in this moment, And so like, how did you

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Speaker 3: I think I mean two things. I mean, Carney's election

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Speaker 3: was propelled by Trump, right, it was propelled by anti

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Speaker 3: Trump feeling in Canada. So I'm sure he went in

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Speaker 3: there despite all the bullshit that Trump has been saying,

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: The stuff from the Apprentice was just you know, bullshit

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, listen, I crossed the border last night

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Speaker 1: And so in this moment, I think that it's very

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Speaker 1: so with regard to people, you know, as you cross

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Speaker 2: Os Donald Trump, do not.

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Speaker 1: Spend your money in the United States, do not buy

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Speaker 3: Look, I think you're right. I think the April market

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Speaker 1: You live in wash and Ken and I'm genuinely play.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I just had a role play for a second.

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Speaker 1: and I'm a Democratic senator and we're having our caucus meeting,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, he's not having that fucking parade.

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Speaker 1: He is not not having a Kim Jong un celebration

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Speaker 1: So this guy's a legitimate Nazi sympathizer. He's got a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because my, my, because my fundamental question right, because

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Speaker 3: You can fill it. You can filibuster the way that

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Speaker 1: In an old school sense. Right, the rules changed and

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Speaker 3: This is where I think you're getting out with these questions,

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Speaker 1: that we will prevail here, and that what's happening is,

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Speaker 1: though an abomination, not unprecedented.

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Speaker 2: Our lifetime. But I wanted to just.

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Speaker 1: Ask you the highlight of Judge Ludic's comments, write a

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Speaker 1: pre eminent conservative jurist, why don't you tell us a

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Speaker 1: little bit about Judge Ludig, who he is, why he matters,

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Speaker 1: and really the crux of what he said today.

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Speaker 3: Well, I bet a lot of our viewers will will

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Speaker 3: remember Judge Lutig from his testimony before the January sixth

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Speaker 3: Committee in June twenty twenty two. He gave an incredibly

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Speaker 3: powerful statement that day and has been someone who grew

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Speaker 3: up on the American right, the judicial right, the federalist

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Speaker 3: society right, someone who knows all of the most famous

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Speaker 3: jurists in that movement, socially, personally, I'm talking about the

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Speaker 3: justice Thomases of the world. You know this, This is

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Speaker 3: someone who clerked for Scalia. This is someone who Ted

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Speaker 3: Cruz once said. Ted Cruz worked for Judge Lutig. Ted

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Speaker 3: Cruz once said that he wishes George W. Bush had

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Speaker 3: appointed or nominated Lootig to the Supreme Court instead of

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Speaker 3: John Roberts. In other words, that was Cruse's statement of

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Speaker 3: saying John Roberts was too liberal. We should have had

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Speaker 3: a real conservative like Michael Ludig. And you know, Michael

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Speaker 3: lud to his great great credit, has been clear eyed

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Speaker 3: about the threat that Trump represents to democracy from the beginning.

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Speaker 3: I think he's someone who has become more and more

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Speaker 3: outspoken over time, peaking with his public testimony in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two before the January sixth Committee. And he's written

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Speaker 3: a piece that's coming out this week that is going

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Speaker 3: to be just explosive. And I've known Looted for a

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Speaker 3: while now, and we were talking and he started previewing

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Speaker 3: the piece with me, and he was kind enough to

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Speaker 3: come on Substack Live with me this afternoon and take

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Speaker 3: me through what he's going to say in this article.

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to start at the end of our

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Speaker 3: interview Steve, because I just think this line from Lootig,

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Speaker 3: given his pedigree and his history, it just kind of

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Speaker 3: unsettled me because I asked at the end, you know,

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Speaker 3: you know what, what's your level of optimism that things

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Speaker 3: will get better and you know, we'll you're back on

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Speaker 3: course here, and he was pretty pessimistic, and he said this,

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Speaker 3: He said, it would be impossible to say after Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump's first one hundred days in office that America has

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Speaker 3: a government of laws, not of men. You know, this

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Speaker 3: is a guy who spent fifteen years as a federal

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Speaker 3: judge dealing with some of the most complicated cases, especially

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Speaker 3: in the wake of nine to eleven, deeply serious person,

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Speaker 3: and for him to reach that conclusion is it's it's shocking,

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Speaker 3: it's astonishing, it's frightening. And I don't think our current

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Speaker 3: media environment and our current you know, public forums about

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Speaker 3: what's going on have grappled with this kind of core

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Speaker 3: act of the lawlessness that people like Luting see in Trump.

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Speaker 3: I think people don't, you know, people are still in

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Speaker 3: denial about it. And I want to let me just

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Speaker 3: go through his sort of like main paragraph in this piece,

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Speaker 3: and I might just read the whole thing, Steve. You

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Speaker 3: can cut me off. It goes on too long. Please

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Speaker 3: just this paragraph, which is going to blow up the internet.

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Speaker 3: We're getting a preview of it here compliments of looting.

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Speaker 3: But this piece is gonna blow up there.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me just say everybody before you before

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Speaker 1: you do it, right, you find Ryan Keellos t E

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Speaker 1: l O S.

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Speaker 2: Look up that word.

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Speaker 1: It will take you down a enlightening path of some

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Speaker 1: philosophical understanding. But uh go to Tellos, Uh subscribe to Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Follow him there he's doing some great stuff. And over

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Ryan. I'm looking forward to reading this.

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Speaker 3: I liked Jeffrey Clark's comment there. He got the pun

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Speaker 3: tell Us tell Us news. All right, this is all

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Speaker 3: right to be serious here. Now this is from this

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Speaker 3: is from Ludig's piece. This is him writing. This piece

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Speaker 3: isn't out yet. We're getting We're getting a sneak peek here.

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Speaker 3: We're not one of his signature initiatives during his first

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Speaker 3: one hundred days in office. Does Donald Trump even have

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Speaker 3: the authority under the Constitution and laws of the United States,

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Speaker 3: And now he starts listing these signature initiatives not for

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Speaker 3: the crippling global tariffs he ordered unilaterally. Not for his

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Speaker 3: unlawful deportations of hundreds of immigrants to El Salvador Squalid

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Speaker 3: maximum security prison. Not for his deportation of US citizens

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Speaker 3: to Honduras. Not for his defiantly corrupt vow and order

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Speaker 3: from the Great Hall of the Department of Justice to

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Speaker 3: weaponized the Department against his personal political enemies. Not for

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Speaker 3: his evil executive orders against the nation's law firms and

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Speaker 3: lawyers in personal vendetta for their representation of his political

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Speaker 3: enemies and clients of whom he personally disapproves. Not for

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Speaker 3: his corrupt executive orders against honorable American citizens and former

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Speaker 3: officials of his own administration Chris Krebs and Miles Taylor,

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Speaker 3: a former DHS chief of staff who dared criticize Trump

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Speaker 3: anonymously during his first term. Not for his unlawful bludgeoning

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Speaker 3: of the nation's colleges and universities with unconstitutional demands that

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Speaker 3: they surrender their governance of billions of dollars of congressionally

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Speaker 3: approved funds, or his politically motivated threats to revoke tax exemptions.

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Speaker 3: Not for his attempt to alter the rules of federal elections.

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Speaker 3: Not for his direct assault on the Fourteenth Amendment's birthright

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Speaker 3: citizenship guarantee, not for his mass firings of federal employees,

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Speaker 3: not for Elon Musk and DOJ's ravaging of the federal government,

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Speaker 3: not for his threats to fire Federal Reserve Board Chairman

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Speaker 3: J Powell, not for his unconstitutional attacks on press freedoms,

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Speaker 3: and finally, not for his appalling arrest of Judge Hannah Dugan.

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Speaker 3: Yet I counted that there's there's basically sixteen policies he

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Speaker 3: mentions in there, and he's not just like riffing through this,

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Speaker 3: you know, to be cute. These are the inner sixteen

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Speaker 3: policies that he goes through and explains as a as

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Speaker 3: a judge would why they have no foundation in law

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Speaker 3: or authority under the Constitution. And I don't know, just

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Speaker 3: blew me away reading this and listening to him go

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Speaker 3: through that, because I think so much of the conversation is,

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Speaker 3: you know, partly that you know, Trump's bad and things suck,

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Speaker 3: but so much of the media coverage of this is like,

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Speaker 3: you know, Trump, did you know crazy thing X. It's

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Speaker 3: being challenged in the courts, but it's this kind of

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Speaker 3: both sides ism without any clear statement of yeah, that

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Speaker 3: was that's illegal, Like we don't need a lawyer to

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Speaker 3: tell us like that's illegal, like uh, the you know,

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Speaker 3: birthright citizenship, like we can read we can all read

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Speaker 3: the fourteenth Amendment. And so I think the power of

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Speaker 3: looting and his conversation with me today and this piece

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Speaker 3: that's coming is just stepping back looking at the last

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Speaker 3: hundred days days of the most important things that Trump

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Speaker 3: did and explaining only like a federal judge can that

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Speaker 3: the rule of law has just evaporated when it comes

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Speaker 3: to this president. And this has been one hundred days

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Speaker 3: of lawlessness in his view. And I've known looted for

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Speaker 3: a while. Well, he's not hyperbolic. He's a really serious guy.

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Speaker 3: And it took him a while to sort of, I think,

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Speaker 3: get dragged into the to and fro of politics, and

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Speaker 3: it's not comfortable for someone like him, like a federal judge.

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Speaker 3: And this is to me the most important statement I've

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Speaker 3: seen by someone of his reputation and credentials on the

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Speaker 3: right explaining the lawlessness of the president. And you know,

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Speaker 3: he concludes with what I started with, you know, it

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Speaker 3: should be impossible to say, it would be impossible to

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Speaker 3: say after Donald Trump's first hundred days in office that

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Speaker 3: America has a government of laws, not of men. So

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Speaker 3: pretty depressing, pretty unsettling.

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Speaker 2: Sure is.

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Speaker 1: A real time of testing ahead for the contrary, no

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Speaker 1: doubt about it whatsoever. That's really an astonishing paragraph. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for reading it, and again, everybody on we have

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Speaker 1: one thousand, five hundred Americans who could be doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of things tonight and more. We'll see it when

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Speaker 1: we release it. You can find Ryan to tell us

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Speaker 1: support good independent journalism, because I want to tell you

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Speaker 1: what I see at a at a strategic level, what

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Speaker 1: I observe in terms of assessing the fight ahead, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's this that.

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Speaker 2: Survivor episodes. They are television reality.

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Speaker 1: Show episodes, maliced and toxic, but they are all laid

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Speaker 1: out on a foundation of that the impossible could be.

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Speaker 1: So we saw a glimpse of that yesterday during the

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Speaker 1: Canadian insanity. Never say never, and the answer is never right.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump may sell the Oval office, but the Canadian

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Speaker 1: people aren't never going to sell out their country to

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, so right off the table, never never, ever,

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Speaker 1: fucking ever right, So it's not going to happen. Just

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Speaker 1: like the first Amendment is not debatable, just like the

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Speaker 1: Fifth Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, the fourteenth Amendment. None of

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Speaker 1: these things are debatable. The eighth Amendment is not debatable, right,

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Speaker 1: It is not at the whim.

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Speaker 2: Of Donald Trump. Right.

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Speaker 1: The exists in perpetuity, and it exists in a form

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Speaker 1: that though it can be amended, it cannot be trifled

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Speaker 1: with by whim. And so that proposition is being tested

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Speaker 1: by really two forces combining.

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Speaker 2: And it is the profit.

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Speaker 1: The money changers, however you wish to see it in

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Speaker 1: the temple of democracy, that are complicit in the production

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Speaker 1: of the sixth show that imagines he has the actual power.

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Speaker 2: That he does not have.

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Speaker 1: And this is fundamental right that any reporting right that

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Speaker 1: disseminates right, some of the biggest newsrooms in the country

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Speaker 1: that posit hey, can he do this when he can't

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Speaker 1: on something that doesn't need interpretation constitutionally, they become complicit

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Speaker 1: in the gaslighting of the country for profit.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: And so we see then that plus the capitulations right

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Speaker 1: to get in line instinct right, cowardice in the in

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Speaker 1: the Senate, and so in the totality of what Judge

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Speaker 1: Ludic is observing, right, he's pushing forward into a very

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Speaker 1: complex society where we have a lot of elasticity, more

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Speaker 1: than most people imagine. Right before he sinks into the

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Speaker 1: sand and into the quagmire on this because the American

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Speaker 1: people are slow to anger and slower to get involved

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Speaker 1: in fights. But when we do, and the American people

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Speaker 1: are judging by the size of the protests and the

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Speaker 1: building consequences, Like, what I don't get, right, is there's

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Speaker 1: something that's happened over the last fifteen years in the society. Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm fifty four, that's been a change, right that I

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Speaker 1: very successful guy.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant guy. We're talking about the.

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Speaker 3: See I lost you when you said, right before a

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Speaker 3: brilliant guy. Was it some who were you talking about?

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Speaker 1: I was talking about a friend of mine that I

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Speaker 1: was talking kid, right, brilliant brilliant guy today, right, and

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Speaker 1: and it and this kind of trait in the society, right,

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Speaker 1: and this is the part that I don't get. And

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Speaker 1: we're talking about what's coming with the with the loss

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Speaker 1: of shipping, right as these right ships that are coming

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Speaker 1: right with not with anything on them. When it's and

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Speaker 1: he's like and he and his response to it was, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll see and I said, well, it's not we'll see

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Speaker 1: we we know, right, it takes a month for the

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Speaker 1: ship to get here. You can you can look at

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Speaker 1: data people follow this, right, it's all transparent what's flowing

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Speaker 1: around the world, and it's all in a state of collapse.

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Speaker 1: I said, what I don't know understand. I said, if

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Speaker 1: you if you and I were like, it's standing at

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Speaker 1: the ocean's edge, right, and the hurricane was coming right,

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Speaker 1: and we're standing there with a beer, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's like time to go inside. And I'd be like,

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Speaker 1: the hurricane is coming, And would you say, we'll see

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Speaker 1: right or do you know the hurricane is coming?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: And I don't understand the interpretive aspect that is dominated

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Speaker 1: in the media narrative, where there's an inability to assert right,

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Speaker 1: what's happening in the moment with the clarity that Ludig

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Speaker 1: did it. But the fact that Ludig did it, there

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Speaker 1: is clarity now around what is happening that there should

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Speaker 1: be points of agreement on. That is why those type

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Speaker 1: of interviews, in these type of long form formats are

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Speaker 1: so important in this In this moment.

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Speaker 3: I love that phrase. This interpretive well is interpretive instinct

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Speaker 3: interpreted with the whatever it was that the gist of

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Speaker 3: this like endlessly, Uh, this is a this is a media,

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Speaker 3: you know, Achilles Heel, you know, so many of you know,

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Speaker 3: and I've been there. You know, I'm guilty of this myself.

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Speaker 3: There's so much you know, there's so much weight placed

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Speaker 3: on clever analysis and clever interpretations and counterintuitive takes. And

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

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Speaker 3: I love I love a good contrarian, counterintuitive take, but

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Speaker 3: it gets it gets pushed to the extremes where there's

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Speaker 3: this sort of unwillingness to just state clearly the sort

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Speaker 3: of not that there aren't complications in these things, not

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Speaker 3: that there aren't uh you know, uh other views to

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Speaker 3: platform and to privilege, but there's just this unwillingness to

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Speaker 3: be really plain about what's going on, you know, just

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Speaker 3: to be like the fourteenth Amendment says what it says,

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Speaker 3: you know, and the you know, a lot of journalists

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Speaker 3: don't like to play lawyers because you know, they think

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Speaker 3: everything's up for interpretation when it comes to the law.

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Speaker 3: But you could read a lot of statutes and just

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Speaker 3: get the plain meaning. And there's just this like in

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Speaker 3: the corporate media. There's just this obsession with everything has

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Speaker 3: to have two sides, and if Trump does something, then

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Speaker 3: there's got to be an equally good and smart argument

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Speaker 3: for it, and you know, just report out the debate.

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Speaker 3: And it's just like blinding to a lot of media

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Speaker 3: institutions these days who don't realize that these traditional conventions

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Speaker 3: of journalism are being used against the media and the

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Speaker 3: media's obsession with uh, with with overinterpreting, over interpreting everything,

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Speaker 3: and you know, giving the benefit of the doubt to

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Speaker 3: the loudest political actor when when they when they do something,

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Speaker 3: it's all being weaponized against them. They are these media

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Speaker 3: conventions that serve really important purposes, but they're failing us

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Speaker 3: now because there they should be at the service of

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Speaker 3: our principles.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: I always think of this as like we have two

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Speaker 3: things in my business. We have our conventions and we

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Speaker 3: have our principles. The conventions flow from the principles. If

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Speaker 3: the conventions aren't any longer uh privileging the principles, then

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Speaker 3: what the fuck is the point of the conventions? And

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Speaker 3: so that that's where a lot of journalists who came

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Speaker 3: up in the traditional system are going wrong. There they

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Speaker 3: have this like anachronistic attachment to both sides ism and

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Speaker 3: these old school journalists conventions and anything that states clearly

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Speaker 3: that one side is doing something more wrong than the

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Speaker 3: other side. They just it seems uncomfortable to them. That

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Speaker 3: can't be the case. That means they're they're biased or

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Speaker 3: or somehow partisan. And so it's a huge, huge problem, Steve,

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Speaker 3: and it's it's preventing the public from seeing a lot

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Speaker 3: of this clearly. And that's why when you, as you

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Speaker 3: point out, when you when you see someone like an

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Speaker 3: expert like Looting put this all together in one place,

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Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, why why can't other people just make

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Speaker 3: that case? Why can't they just say that clearly? And

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Speaker 3: you know, look, that's one of the one of the

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Speaker 3: things I love about leaving that world being on sub stack.

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Speaker 3: And you know, there's a reason this platform and the journalists,

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Speaker 3: a lot of them come through your show here. It's

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Speaker 3: the reason why it's booming, and it's reason why people

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Speaker 3: who are hungry for to get out of the corporate

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Speaker 3: media bullshit are coming here and looking for independent journalists.

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Speaker 3: And so I appreciate you pushing at a lot of

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Speaker 3: those voices. It means a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm happy to do it. We have a

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Speaker 1: budding economic calamity. We have a rule of law calamity.

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Speaker 1: We have a growing international crisis. We have theater of

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Speaker 1: the absurd in the Oval Office, the hoodies are surrendering

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Speaker 1: and a couple hours later they're firing missiles. We've had

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Speaker 1: four incidents on the Harry Truman in the last month.

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Speaker 1: We've lost another seventy million dollar F eighteen that rolled

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Speaker 1: off the deck of the Truman yesterday. But we now

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Speaker 1: see this crisis between India and Pakistan, both nuclear powers,

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Speaker 1: that is that is escalating. You know, Donald Trump was

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Speaker 1: incoherent talking about that. We have a moral crisis in

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Speaker 1: that we have a real issue with an out of

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Speaker 1: control jack boot federal agency that is acting like American Gestapo,

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Speaker 1: not American law enforcement. It's unacceptable, it's outrageous, and that

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Speaker 1: Tom Homan for sure will be packed up on the

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Speaker 1: American whole of villainy someday of that, I have no doubt,

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Speaker 1: like all of these people, but in this in this moment,

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Speaker 1: you have a lot of stories, and you have thirty

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Speaker 1: nine Democrats Senator sign a letter demanding insight and oversight

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Speaker 1: over these detention facilities, including foreign black sites, where people

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Speaker 1: are being shipped, attained and apparently, according to reports, profoundly mistreated.

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Speaker 2: And this.

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Speaker 1: Is a fundamental issue, and this is the core issue

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Speaker 1: that John McCain cared about, right. This was John McCain

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Speaker 1: was the foremost champion of our age in many many ways,

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Speaker 1: for human rights, for prisoners of conscience, prisoners of war,

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Speaker 1: detainees in American custody, that they be treated with humanity.

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Speaker 1: And the McCain argument was that what makes us exception

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Speaker 1: was though that we could do it to them, we

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Speaker 1: will not because we are Americans.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And the place between the Bush administration and detainee

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Speaker 4: abuses in John McCain when.

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Speaker 1: The years this is what I'm writing about tomorrow, and

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Speaker 1: wrote about this extensively and with his writing partner, really

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Speaker 1: his brother Mark Salter, talked about this not as a

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Speaker 1: political issue but a fundamental moral issue. It defines who

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Speaker 1: we are. Right, the idea that the American flag would

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Speaker 1: be viewed as a symbol of fear by a twenty

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Speaker 1: six year old Canadian actress trying to cross the American

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Speaker 1: frontier doing nothing wrong at all, and the sinister nature

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Speaker 1: of the threats by the Vice President with Christy Nome,

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Speaker 1: the sadism, the cruelty, where there's an embrace of a policy,

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Speaker 1: we're the most powerful amongst us have taken the license

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Speaker 1: to persecute the least amongst us with the cruelties of

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Speaker 1: the meanest amongst us. And it is a abomination that

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Speaker 1: John McCain would have thunderously dissented from from the floor

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Speaker 1: of the United States Senate and would have argued with

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Speaker 1: the deepest passion about the affront to the fundamental values

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Speaker 1: of the country. And so as we're moving ahead right

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Speaker 1: into this political season, one of the things is we

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Speaker 1: begin to wrap up the hour. Ryan and I are

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Speaker 1: going to get together once a week in the evening,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna We're.

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Speaker 2: Gonna talk a lot of politics.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things I want to do is

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Speaker 1: take everybody inside, right the type of conversations that take

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Speaker 1: place behind the scenes between like say, presidential level political

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Speaker 1: strategists and UH and a top level journalist about how

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Speaker 1: do you see the field ahead? What is the pathway

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Speaker 1: of these candidates in the Democratic primary? And I just

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Speaker 1: want to close it out and say one thing before

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Speaker 1: I turn it over to Ryan and I just want

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Speaker 1: to give everybody a point of view to think about

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Speaker 1: with regard with regard to opposition, I think that one

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Speaker 1: of the dumbest things that I've ever heard is the

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Speaker 1: dismissal of the energy and the necessity of the protests

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Speaker 1: that are being led by Bernie Sanders and by AOC.

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Speaker 1: And it is important to listen to the merit of

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Speaker 1: what they are saying and to meet them not through

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Speaker 1: the prism of the label, because none of these labels

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Speaker 1: mean anything to me anymore. There are people who appreciate

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Speaker 1: this dangerous moment, as Judge Ludig does right, and they're

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Speaker 1: or in defense of something that is sublime that belongs

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Speaker 1: to all of us. So what I would say is,

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Speaker 1: for example, I don't know that I would ever vote

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Speaker 1: for AOC, but I forevermore will be in AOC and

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders' supporter, And I'm a supporter of theirs because

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Speaker 1: I admire their leadership, and I admire their courage, and

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Speaker 1: I admire their vision of being able to see that

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Speaker 1: what has developed, what has manifested, is something deeply sinister

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Speaker 1: and insidious, and that the fundamental choice is grounded in liberty,

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Speaker 1: and so the people that are on the front line

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Speaker 1: of this right, that are enunciating a moral prism that

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Speaker 1: explains what's happened, and whether it's Bishop Barber, I will

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Speaker 1: have my friend Ryan Bucy on. And so when you

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Speaker 1: think about coalitions, right, Ryan Busey was the Democratic candidate

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Speaker 1: from the state of Montana. And we're gonna be talking

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Speaker 1: about public lands, I want you to think about my

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Speaker 1: friend Grove, who are going on every Monday into the

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Speaker 1: Capitol to do moral Mondays and pray. And each Monday,

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Speaker 1: Capitol police have arrested different ministers for praying in there.

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Speaker 1: Cowboys in the West and black ministers together are powerful combination, right,

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Speaker 1: because what they share in common as brothers and sisters,

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Speaker 1: right is a recognition of what's right and what's wrong.

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Speaker 1: And so when you look at the detainees in American custody,

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Speaker 1: the mistreat that has been documented, the Senate investigation, the

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Speaker 1: economic calamity, the international crises that are building, the rule

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Speaker 1: of law crisis, we're in one of the great crises

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Speaker 1: in the history of the United States. Everybody, and it's

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Speaker 1: going to require acts of citizenship. It's gonna require you

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Speaker 1: to be involved. It's going to require you to demand,

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Speaker 1: demand compliance with the cornerstones of our civilization, all of

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Speaker 1: them invested deeply in the Constitution of the United States.

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Speaker 2: So we.

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Speaker 1: Spare anything else you want to talk about with regard

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Speaker 1: to tell us how you see it in DC and

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Speaker 1: talk about the next couple of weeks while you tell

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Speaker 1: us thank you so much trying for joining all of

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Speaker 1: us tonight.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you. I'm very excited to do this with

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Speaker 3: you every week. You're just judging from the comments, your

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Speaker 3: audience is terrific. I think our two audiences are gonna

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Speaker 3: get along well. Please subscribe at tell us dot news.

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Speaker 2: That's T. E.

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Speaker 3: L O S. Dot News. I think your point about

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Speaker 3: AOC and Bernie is really really good. And Steve, I've

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Speaker 3: known you. I don't know if you remember this or not,

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Speaker 3: but we first met during the two thousand and eight

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Speaker 3: McCain campaign. You were on the bus. I was a

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Speaker 3: younger reporter back then. I remember your fans will get

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Speaker 3: a kick out of this, Steve. You know, back in

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Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, the technology

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Speaker 3: was a little clunky and you used to wear like

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Speaker 3: a big bluetooth thing on your in your ear. You know,

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Speaker 3: you had about the same amount of hair as you

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Speaker 3: have now. And I think I said this to your face.

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Speaker 3: I hope I didn't just say this like a like

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Speaker 3: a jer to other reporters, but I used to say, uh, God,

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Speaker 3: I hope I'm remembering this correctly. That that Steve reminded

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Speaker 3: me of that the Star Wars character Labbots, which is

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Speaker 3: a kind of uh, that's a very he had a

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Speaker 3: very small role in uh. And I think the secondar

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Speaker 3: I can't remember it now, but some of the Star

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Speaker 3: Wars nerds will will remember who lab it is. But

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Speaker 3: he was a ball guy with a big headset on it.

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Speaker 3: And anyway, Uh, someone in the comments said that Steve

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Speaker 3: Schmidt is someone you want in a fox hole with you,

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Speaker 3: and I can tell you from personal experience that that

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Speaker 3: is true. And so I'm excited that we're going to

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Speaker 3: do this every every week.

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Speaker 2: Steve.

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Speaker 3: On your point about aoc and and Bernie and you know,

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Speaker 3: UH kind of went sideways here, But I met you

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Speaker 3: in a Republican primary and it's fascinating to hear you

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Speaker 3: say that. And I think it goes for a lot

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Speaker 3: of journalists too. There's UH, journalists have to get used

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Speaker 3: to being comfortable with the act that when the rule

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Speaker 3: of law is under attack in this country, it's not

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Speaker 3: a both sides issue, and you're not partisan just because

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Speaker 3: you happen to line up with the folks who are

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Speaker 3: pointing out that we shouldn't have people trying to tear

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Speaker 3: down democracy and that the rule of law is pretty

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Speaker 3: fucking important. And maybe just one last thing I'll throw

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Speaker 3: out here is a great quote from Lootig. I remember

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Speaker 3: his testimony in June twenty twenty two, and I remember

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Speaker 3: reading it, and this quote always stuck with me. He

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Speaker 3: said America can withstand attacks on her democracy from without,

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Speaker 3: he is helpless to withstand them from within. And I

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Speaker 3: think the project of the pro democracy.

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Speaker 2: Movement.

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Speaker 3: I'm not very comfortable talking about movements. I'm a journalist,

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Speaker 3: but it's it's not partisan or it doesn't violate any

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Speaker 3: of the conventions of my business to be proudly pro

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Speaker 3: democracy and to realize when there are actors in this

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Speaker 3: country that are trying to attack democracy from within, that's

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Speaker 3: when we need the press at its fiercest, it's most

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Speaker 3: fearless and honest and calling that ship out. And you know, so,

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Speaker 3: I thank you for for for everything that you said

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Speaker 3: to support the project that I've embarked on, and I'm

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Speaker 3: looking forward to doing this every week with you.

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Speaker 2: Man. I want to thank you for that. Rod. I

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Speaker 2: do want to say one one last thing I lied.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna take back the last word, because

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Speaker 1: you inspired me to observe something which is which is this.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what I saw when I say

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Speaker 1: Stevean Miller peering over the couch, when I see a

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Speaker 1: Christy gnome doing her sycophanic dance, when I see her

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Speaker 1: little Iikemans and the man who interrogated Adolph Iikeman was

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Speaker 1: named Avner Less. He was a German Jew, lost his

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Speaker 1: family in the camps and he emigrated to Israel.

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Speaker 2: He was a police captain.

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Speaker 1: He hid that fact, but he spent about two hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy five hours in the room of Iikeman. Never

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Speaker 1: talked about it to nineteen eighty one. Nineteen eighty one,

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Speaker 1: he's asked a question about whether his time with Adolph

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Speaker 1: Iikeman had left an impression on him, and his answer

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Speaker 1: to that question was it did that. It gave him

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Speaker 1: his faith in democracy because there are Adolph Hikmans everywhere

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Speaker 1: all around us. Surrounded by them, he said, But they're

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Speaker 1: perfectly harmless in a democracy, but in his dictatorship of

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Speaker 1: the left or the right, they turn deadly in an instant.

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Speaker 1: And that's what these people are. Howard Lutnik is a

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Speaker 1: little likeman. Christy Nolman is a Littleikman. Karen Levitt is

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Speaker 1: a Littleikman. This is a gaggle of little Aikman's. And

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Speaker 1: we are watching their snarling menace, their teeth, bearing down,

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Speaker 1: growing arrogant, more confident. As the destruction they're doing is building,

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Speaker 1: their approvals are declining, and so we're on a collision

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Speaker 1: course between principle and mayhem, between chaos and democracy, and

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Speaker 1: the American citizen will have to defend the republic. And

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Speaker 1: it's not for the first time. And the reality is

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Speaker 1: there is no end of history there. And the great

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Speaker 1: lesson that will pass down to our children their grandchildren

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Speaker 1: is there may come a day of peace and prosperity

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Speaker 1: when everyone looks the technology and the events in the

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Speaker 1: world and all seems good and well, like it did

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Speaker 1: at the year two thousand and people will say it's

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Speaker 1: the end of something, in the beginning of a paradise,

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Speaker 1: But that's an illusion. And that people mistake quiet for peace,

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Speaker 1: and that's what happened. But now we are in the crisis.

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Speaker 1: We're in one of the great American crises in the

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Speaker 1: history of the country. As Ulysses Grant observed, there are

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Speaker 1: people that are faithful to the project, to the cause

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Speaker 1: of the American Revolution. There are people who have turned

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Speaker 1: treacherous towards it. Those are the two sides in American politics.

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Speaker 1: And within those two sides, there are appeasers and there

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Speaker 1: are fighters. And this is a moment where you have

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Speaker 1: to be a fighter. So it'll be for Mickey Charroll

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Speaker 1: in New Jersey running for governor, for Joscelyn Benson in Michigan,

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Speaker 1: Abigail Spamberger in Virginia. These important people who are rising

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party of fighting spirit and there remort.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about them. I want to thank everybody for

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Speaker 1: joining us tonight. Thank you all. Stay in the fight,

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Speaker 1: be engaged.

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Speaker 2: We will win.

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Speaker 1: There will be no civil war, but there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: an epic period of contestation and peaceful protest, a moral fight.

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Speaker 2: Good night to you all, came night everyone.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Steve.

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Speaker 2: I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the warning.

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Speaker 1: I invite you to join this community where I promise

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Speaker 1: to be honest, blunt, and direct about what is happening

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Speaker 1: in this country. America is in crisis. Follow and subscribe

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Speaker 1: to this channel and on substack. Thank you,