1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: We're back with Lizzie and Chad from the Game of 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 2: Roses podcast. We have more questions, more discussions. I'm intrigued, 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: Ashley's intrigued. We just came off of a golden season 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: that you have both been publicly quoted by saying you 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: did not enjoy it. 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: I've also been like wow, like Meil will never come 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 3: on this podcast. 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 4: I couldn't hold back. 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: I think it would help us and our listeners because 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: they've heard us for weeks now kind of walk through 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: episode by episode and break down what we liked and 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: didn't like and what was missing and not missing. But 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 2: we are doing it from an opinion and from our 16 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: own personal opinions. We don't have any really study in 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: it other than how we feel watching the show and 18 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: how disconnected we felt watching this season. I also want 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: to say this, and I know I'm long winded here. 20 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: I had a lot of high hopes for the Golden Show. 21 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: I did, and I still do. I don't think it's 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 2: I think somebody could take it over and really make 23 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: it a success. Still, I think what we've seen this 24 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: last season, it might be the death sentence for the 25 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: current reality that we know the Golden to be. But 26 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: what actually made from your opinions and the more study 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: of it, what made this season so bad? And mel 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: is a lead, so you know, disconnected for the two 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: of you, in. 30 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 4: My opinion, very simple. It's for tr R for the 31 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 4: right reasons. He was not the before they even started shooting. 32 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 4: He did that podcast where he basically said everything the 33 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 4: Golden Bachelor is, I'm against it, and they were like, well, 34 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 4: let's keep him. That's still a good guy to have. 35 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 4: We don't need to recast, and then they shoot a 36 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 4: whole goddamn season with the guy that ends with him 37 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 4: telling the two finalists, I'm not into getting married. 38 00:01:58,640 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: Screw this. 39 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 4: Even like Cindy said it, there's a wedding ring in 40 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 4: the logo of the show. Dude, what are you doing? 41 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 4: So he was the antithesis of what the premise of 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 4: the show is from before they started shooting to the 43 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 4: final goddamn rose and on top of that, this man 44 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 4: was watching paint dry. This is the most boring lead 45 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 4: we have probably ever had. So if you're gonna be 46 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 4: against the premise of the show and you're the lead 47 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 4: at least be funny or crazy or something. This guy 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 4: gave us nothing. Most of his one on one conversations 49 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 4: would be one of the players being like, so do 50 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 4: you want to travel? 51 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: What do you like? 52 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 4: And he's just like eeh, cool, dude, funny. Like it 53 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 4: was unbearable to watch this man, and unfortunately he had 54 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 4: some incredible players on his season. And this goes back 55 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 4: to what I was talking about earlier. You need to 56 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 4: have like the lead sole function really is kind of 57 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 4: like the game master. You are selecting this order of 58 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 4: twenty five to thirty people which order they're getting kicked off, 59 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: and the producers are manipulating that to some degree that 60 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 4: like you know who your top three are, and the 61 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 4: rest of it is just arranging those deck chairs in 62 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 4: a way that is like entertaining enough and for the 63 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 4: lead viable to be believable enough that they're kicking you 64 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 4: off for a valid reason. And the lead is not 65 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 4: the asshole. Mel had this just smorgas board of elite 66 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 4: players in his season, and they didn't get to play 67 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 4: against him because I don't think he understood what he 68 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 4: was supposed. 69 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: To be doing as a lead. 70 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 4: He was just like, I'm here to find somebody to 71 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 4: date for two years and it's like, oh my god, dude, 72 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 4: what are you doing it all? 73 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 5: It's also season one we had Gary, and you know, 74 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 5: whatever has come out now about Gary has come out, 75 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 5: but we were so emotionally connected to his storyline and 76 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 5: I'm you know, I'm definitely the Ashley of Chad, and 77 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 5: I like, I'm extremely gullible and I cry a lot. 78 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 5: And I cried in so many of those episodes because 79 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 5: Gary was like, he had this great PTC with his 80 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 5: his wife and he was able to connect with these women. 81 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 5: And the players on that season were extraordinary. I wish 82 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 5: they had had some repeats. Actually on this season, he 83 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 5: felt very present with every person he's talking to. Mellow couldn't. 84 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 5: I don't know where he was. He was not in 85 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 5: those conversations and they were pulling teeth. 86 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 4: There's an image from that season where it was right 87 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 4: when Cindy self eliminated, which, by the way, is like 88 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 4: a cardinal sin. It's an error you never want to commit, 89 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 4: but I think she actually did it correctly. 90 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very rare. 91 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 4: I want to do it because it immediately ends your 92 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 4: screen time, and who knows what you can do with 93 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 4: any other screen time, you know, but I think she 94 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 4: did it properly actually. But there's a shot of Mel 95 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 4: sitting there in a beach chair as the fireworks are 96 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 4: going off behind him, just expressionless, just stone faced in 97 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 4: this moment that like usually in any other Bachelor season, 98 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 4: the lead is crying, the fireworks are a sad thing. 99 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 4: He's just sitting there like it looks like he's about 100 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 4: to fall asleep. And that image to me was just like, 101 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 4: that's it. That's the whole season right there. This woman 102 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 4: that he supposedly was on the way to quotes falling 103 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 4: in love with her, whatever left him, and he's sitting 104 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 4: under the fireworks by himself. It just doesn't give a 105 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 4: sh now. 106 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: My last comment to this before I pass it back 107 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: to Ashley, because she's probably over there like jumping him 108 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: down our chair wanting to talk. I'm not gonna let. 109 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 6: Yeah. 110 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: I know, I know you would be this way and 111 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: that's okay, But my only thing is and I just 112 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: want either reinforcement or I want to have the two 113 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 2: of you as experts here shut me down. I coming 114 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: off of the Bachelor season, I've gotten you know, people 115 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: have talked to me about this comment. I made and 116 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 2: some agree and some don't. But my argument is, this season, 117 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 2: or the Golden franchise in total, would be better if 118 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: they would have brought somebody in that's eighty three years 119 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: old who literally has you know, a story maybe similar 120 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: to Gary's, or you know, life has somehow passed them 121 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: up and they've never met anybody, but they have that intimacy, 122 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 2: that sweetness, that authenticity that we could relate with. Because 123 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: I think that's why I liked the Golden Show was 124 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: to watch my grandparents try to find this second chapter 125 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: of life in a beautiful way. So I guess my 126 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 2: question is, would you two agree that this season take 127 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: Mel out of it? Because I know you're going to say, well, 128 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: any of the thing would have been better than this, 129 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 2: But do you think the Golden could could be better 130 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: if they were actually up the age group a little bit. 131 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 5: I don't know if it has anything to do with 132 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 5: necessarily the age, and I will give Mellow the benefit 133 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 5: of the I do kind of think that after after 134 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 5: the podcast came out and he got so much hate, 135 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 5: I do think he was very fearful and that maybe 136 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 5: explains part of why he was so tight lipped during 137 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 5: his season. But like someone like Charles coming off of 138 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 5: Jones season, Like, to me, that's like a sweet, sweet man. 139 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 5: I want to see that man find love. I do 140 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 5: think they had some candidates already. 141 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: He brought me more tears than any contestant in history. 142 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: Charles like legit like like tears in my eyes with 143 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: my wife and I would watch it and we're like, 144 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: I just love I want this man to find that person. 145 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 3: I think they would have had a really successful season 146 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: with him exactly. 147 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 4: That's ninety percent of it, is like you are the 148 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 4: show for all of us in the fourth audience, myself 149 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 4: and Lizzie included, is it's for us to live vicariously. 150 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: Through these people. 151 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 4: Whether you're identifying with the bachelor and you're like, oh 152 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,559 Speaker 4: my god, he's getting a second chance or she's getting 153 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 4: a second chance at love later in life. We hope 154 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 4: they find it. You're either on that ride or you're 155 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 4: on the ride with one of the players, whatever capacity 156 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 4: that may be, Like if you want them to win 157 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 4: a rivalry or win a group date, rows or whatever, 158 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 4: and you just didn't have that with Mel. Nobody was 159 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 4: living vicariously through Mel because it was unclear if he 160 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 4: was even living at all in the program. It just 161 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 4: like the decision is so bizarre to me. I know 162 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 4: Jessica Castro came in as the showrunner of the Golden 163 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 4: franchise for this season that it was her first season, 164 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 4: and I don't think it was her fault. She got hamstrung. 165 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 4: ABC was like, he's the guy. The podcast comes out. 166 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 4: ABC is like, forget that, he's still the guy. They 167 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 4: had time to recast this and they did not. 168 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: So that begs the question. This is something that my Heather, 169 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: my Heather for our producer. Heather and I were talking 170 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 3: about last week. Do you think that this was a 171 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: choice by ABC executives, like there was somebody in that 172 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: upper echelon that was like, this must be the Golden Bachelor, 173 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: or do you think this was casting. 174 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 4: I think it was ABC one hundred percent. And I 175 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 4: also I think, to me, this is just again my 176 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 4: two cents. I have some data to back this up 177 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 4: if you will, But uh, I think ABC for the 178 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 4: most part has an attitude about the franchise. Eh, we've 179 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 4: gotten what we've gotten out of it. It's been a 180 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 4: good run. I think they've kind of written it off 181 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 4: and they're just like throwing at the wall. And if 182 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 4: it works. I'm this is what I this is what 183 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 4: my little birdies are telling me. And so I think 184 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 4: they're looking at it as like, yeah, whatever, we've already 185 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 4: cast this guy. It's more work, more effort to try 186 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 4: and cast somebody new who cares Golden does well for us, 187 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: or I guess even at that point, it was on 188 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 4: a downward slope after Jen Vasso season. But the Taylor 189 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 4: Frankie Paul thing, I think is like them saying, let's 190 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 4: do something crazy and see if we can revitalize this. Okay, 191 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 4: we think it'll work, honestly, and hopeful the rising tide 192 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 4: lifts all ships and that'll be good for Golden and 193 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 4: good for a Bachelor and good for all. 194 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: The different pieces of the franchise. 195 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 4: But yeah, I think ABC just has this attitude of 196 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 4: like it had a good run. 197 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 6: Oh okay, wow. 198 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 5: I have no little birdies. But I think it's some 199 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 5: sort of NFL conspiracy expand I just think the Bachelor 200 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 5: is super tied to the NFL, and they're like, Okay, 201 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 5: he's a football guy. He's good on paper. 202 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: Because of Jesse and Colton and Tyler Cameron. 203 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess he was an NFL wake Forest, Matt James. 204 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 4: They're like D one college football and NFL is just 205 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 4: a pipeline straight into the Bachelor. How many cheerleaders you 206 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 4: have and all that kind of stuff. 207 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 3: What about miss usay that I feel like. 208 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 5: With sure, Yeah, I think it's football and pageants. Those 209 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 5: used to be the two pipelines. 210 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 2: And you can I can confirm, I will confirm this 211 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: that in the past, I don't know anymore. I can't 212 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: speak to this current crew. I don't know any of them. 213 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: And Mike Flie is no longer he's still I don't know. 214 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: I think he's still in the credit, so I don't 215 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 2: really know what he's doing. Yeah, I know what's happening there. 216 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: But the Ashley, I do know that there was an 217 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: obsession with the NFL during our time and and probably 218 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: still exists today with some executives that are still a 219 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: part of it, like a deep obsession with being close 220 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: to the National Football League. It is not like a 221 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: conspiracy tie. There's nothing secret about other than this obsession. 222 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: Wait, Jesse and Colton are the only people I can 223 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 3: think that were actually in the NFL. 224 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: And also this overlap where Jesse Palmer was hired because 225 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: he's talented. We love Jesse. He's great, he's he had 226 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: an impossible role to fill. He also had a really 227 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: a really good on track with Disney that allowed him 228 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: to be the host of the Bachelor for a lot 229 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: smaller amount of money than what Chris Harrison was getting paid. 230 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: And so that just made sense. Uh so there is 231 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: that there. I do agree with that. 232 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: Okay, well, I can keep you guys forever. Oh no, no, 233 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 3: you could, you could do. 234 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, almost every season has at 235 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 4: least one group day at an NFL stadium with a 236 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 4: special celebrity NFL guest that's going to teach you how 237 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,239 Speaker 4: to play tackle football and one player gets a concussion 238 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 4: and they never mentioned it in the show. Something like 239 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 4: that happens almost every season. 240 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 3: And producer Heather is also saying that Ryan Sutter was 241 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 3: in the NFL first art. 242 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 4: What was he really? 243 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 5: What the poet? 244 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: No, Ryan Sutter actually has the and again I love Ryan. 245 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 2: This is but I believe we can look this up. 246 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 2: He has the shortest NFL in the history of the NFL. 247 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: He was good, really good played for believe the Ravens, 248 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: and on his very first play of the very first game, 249 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: got injured and never could football again. I think it 250 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: was a seven second career he had in the NFL. 251 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 3: Why is this story so buried in our lore? 252 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 4: For real? 253 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 5: I can't believe this. 254 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then Lauri to Bachelor. 255 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 2: Nation he's incredible. Yeah, he's a great athlete. I will 256 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 2: I will actually find the article and send it to 257 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 2: you guys, but we can fact check me. He could 258 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: have been great, but he did get hurt. 259 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:23,359 Speaker 4: That's incredible. 260 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: The question I've been dying to ask you guys for 261 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 3: a bit now, is your bachelor who never was? Especially 262 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: when we were talking about Cindy, I thought that Cindy 263 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: is probably my golden bachelorette. That may never be my 264 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 3: ultimate bachelor. 265 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 4: Who can I guess? Yes, Peter Cross, Yes that's mine too. 266 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 3: I still dream of the day it's not gonna happen. 267 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: He's engaged with a baby on the way. I'm so 268 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 3: happy for him, but that was a loss for us 269 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: as a fridge. 270 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 5: Oh god, he's the one that got away for so many. 271 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's rough. Even now you're bringing it up and 272 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 4: I'm just like my days, No. 273 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 3: I know, almost like in my mind he did have 274 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 3: his own season. 275 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 4: I know it somewhere. It exists in the multiverse somewhat. 276 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 4: There is a planet Earth that has the Peter Cross 277 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 4: Bachelor season in twenty eighteen, and we're all better off 278 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: for it. 279 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 5: I immediately think of Tyler Cameron and how hard everyone 280 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 5: would fight if they were on that season. 281 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: That's funny that, like with Time, Peter's It's time that 282 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 3: with Time, Peter's still the one that got away, even 283 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: though Tyler is like on the map. I think Tyler's 284 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 3: story played out perfectly the way that it did. I 285 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 3: think that Peter was just such a bachelor. 286 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 5: I mean, they gave him the edit of like he's 287 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 5: the one that should be with Rachel, and they kind 288 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 5: of minimize ab a solo in that, and. 289 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 4: I would say modern era Blake Moins. I think that 290 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 4: guy got such a raw deal. I know it was 291 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 4: dangled in front of him for many years in a row, 292 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 4: and it was like, yep, this is gonna happen, and 293 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 4: then it just didn't and he got passed over and 294 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 4: passed over. And that guy has like some incredible stats. 295 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 4: I think if he got the crown, he would be 296 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 4: in contention for the greatest player of all time. I 297 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 4: think he would I mean he won a ring, so 298 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 4: like that already puts him above Nick Vile, at least 299 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 4: in terms of that one metric. But he also did 300 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 4: what Viole did. He crashed a season Katie Thurston's and 301 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 4: then won the ring of that season instead of coming 302 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 4: in second place. He was also in Claire Crawley's prior season, 303 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 4: so he was in back to back seasons as a player, 304 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 4: just like Viole. He did do some paradise. If he 305 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 4: would have gotten the crown, I think that puts him 306 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 4: over the top, but he never did. 307 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 5: I also think Mike Johnson was robbed. Oh god, we 308 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 5: recently rewatched Hnnah's season and he is He's electric on camera. 309 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 6: Yeah. 310 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: What do you guys think of Emily Maynard? Since Emily 311 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: hasn't come up a conversation. I think she's a fantastic. 312 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: Player, Oh absolutely. 313 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 4: And the stuff that they put her through was like 314 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 4: wild the race car group date. You're just like, are 315 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 4: they doing this to her? I guess, so here we go. 316 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 4: Like she had to endure some of the I think 317 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 4: some of the most malevolent producer practices like maybe in 318 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 4: the history of the show, and she came out of 319 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 4: it like flawless was Her season was perfect as a rookie. 320 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 4: Her her bachelorette season was fantastic. Yeah, she was definitely 321 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 4: one of the like on the Mount Rushmore Bachelor. 322 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: She should be up there. 323 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 5: We also talked about her a lot recently with Taylor 324 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 5: Frankie Paul getting the call because she was a package deal. 325 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 5: We know that they gave her like a record amount 326 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 5: of money to be the lead, and I'm like, if 327 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 5: I'm Taylor Frankie Paul, I'm like, I want at least 328 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 5: Maynard money. 329 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: I might have a record for the lowest amount of money, 330 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 2: but that any lead's ever gotten paid. 331 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 4: You're negotiating against yourself. You're like, I know you want 332 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 4: to get two hundred thousand dollars. How about we do 333 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 4: it for fifty. 334 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 5: You're like, wait, you guys all didn't pay to be 335 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 5: the lead. 336 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it really could be a record. And yeah, Ashley, 337 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: we watched Emily Maynard have to go on a race 338 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: card date and Ashley says, I trust these people. They 339 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: have my best interests in mine. 340 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 3: I totally went also, oh my god, by. 341 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 4: All the evidence I have just seen too much at 342 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 4: this point in terms of like we've been doing our 343 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 4: show gives for about six years. Over the course of it, 344 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 4: every once in a while I just get a weird 345 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 4: DM from a player, a producer, whatever. Meet me at 346 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 4: the Peninsula Hotel at eleven tonight. I'll tell you everything, 347 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 4: and then I'm shown documents. I'm shown all kinds of 348 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 4: stuff that no civilian should ever have laid eyes on. 349 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 4: And it's like, the picture of what this thing is 350 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 4: now to me is clear in a way that I 351 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 4: think is maybe not clear even to players and stuff. 352 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: At this point, to kind of close here, let's uh, 353 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: we have five minutes until our next thing. Do you 354 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: have any questions for us? Obviously we can turn the 355 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: table a little bit. I know there's probably some stuff 356 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 2: sitting out there. Do you have any questions for Ashley 357 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: or myself? As we close, God, I'm. 358 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 4: Like, oh Jesus, two thousand questions into one or two. 359 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 5: Well, okay, this could be our part too, for real. 360 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: I would love to go through both of your rookie 361 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 4: seasons with you, like play by play at some point 362 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 4: if possible. But my question is would you have done 363 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 4: I guess let me ask this one. If you could 364 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 4: be a lead then in any other era, what would it. 365 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: Do you have changed it or do you think you 366 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: were a lead at the right time. I think I 367 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: said earlier, I think I was a lead at the 368 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: right time. I do think that, and this will be 369 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: very self promoting of me. I'll just get weirded out 370 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 2: when I think I could help the show today, because 371 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: I do think there's an like, there was an earnestness 372 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: and authenticity to my pursuit of if this doesn't work out, 373 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: at least I hope the contestants enjoy being here, and 374 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 2: so let's try to make the most of a really 375 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 2: weird situation. And as a result of that, let me 376 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 2: really focus on the human stories coming out of this, 377 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: because I think if anything else, at least their stories 378 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: could be told and they'll get to know themselves a 379 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 2: little better. I do think that could help the show today, 380 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: because I don't know how well the recent leads have 381 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: pulled those stories out of people and said, hey, no, 382 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: this is going to be good. Like let's not We're 383 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: not gonna expose you and hurt you. Let's do this 384 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: and like make it a good thing. So I do 385 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 2: think today would been would be something that could be 386 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 2: fun to be a part of. But I think I 387 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: was at the right time because it was coming off 388 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: of all these so many different personalities leading a show. 389 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: Caitlyn and I could be more different, yeah, but the 390 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: best of friends. But yeah, I think today. 391 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 4: All right, Ashley, my question for you is, if you 392 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 4: were back in your playing days and Love Island would 393 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 4: have existed, would you have gone on Love Island? 394 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: No. 395 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: I say this as somebody who's only watched one episode 396 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 3: of Love Island, like during. 397 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 6: COVID, so it was years ago. 398 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 3: Okay, I had to turn it off because I was 399 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: so uncomfortable based on how. 400 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 6: Sexual it wash. 401 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 3: Like the guy was like showing off that he had 402 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 3: slept with four hundred women, and I was like, I 403 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: just this is so yucky to me, So like that 404 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 3: kind of raunchy just doesn't appeal to me. Even though 405 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 3: I would have been like some sort of weird unicorn 406 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: in that universe, still I don't think it would I 407 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 3: would have fared well in that environment with like all 408 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 3: these like horny people. 409 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 4: I think you would have been a superstar popping out 410 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 4: of whatever's season you were on because of your what 411 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 4: we call a PVC personal virginity card. I think it 412 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 4: would have isolated you from the other players and allowed 413 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 4: you to play a certain structured game that they can't play, 414 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 4: where you can kind of like do you know less, 415 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 4: as you put it, raunchy version of all the challenges, 416 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 4: so you don't have to be twerking, you don't have 417 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 4: to have the guys grinding on you. And because of that, 418 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 4: you become kind of like an elevated player in that player. 419 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 5: Pool, a better version of Bell Dasha. 420 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 3: If you watch that, I do want to ask you, guys, 421 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: like where do I point up by like marrying somebody 422 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 3: that nobody thought I would marry a million? 423 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 6: Yeah? 424 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 4: I mean it's one of the greatest out of game 425 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 4: plays while still in the player pool. I mean legit 426 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 4: it is because you kind of came into your Paradise 427 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 4: season with that as an agenda, all laser focused on Jared, 428 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 4: you know, and now here you have this life with 429 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 4: him and a family and a business and all this stuff. 430 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 4: It's wild to me. And I think, like Lizzie and 431 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 4: I always talk about, like where do we define play? 432 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 4: Is it only in game? Is it only in the document? 433 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 4: Or does what happens to these people after the like 434 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 4: with Viles podcast in Kaitlyn Bristol's podcast and all of 435 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 4: her hosting jobs and stuff. Is that part of their 436 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 4: you know, kind of career. I always think there's some 437 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 4: gray area, but I will say your post game career 438 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 4: is like it doesn't You're You're in like the top 439 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 4: two or three. I think of all Bachelor players in 440 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 4: the history of the game. 441 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 5: I watched that whole long, like hour long thing when 442 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 5: you got together on YouTube, and I never watched YouTube. 443 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 2: There's also this really beautiful like that nobody that worked 444 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: on the show didn't believe that Ashley and Jared would 445 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: end up together one day. 446 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 3: They just on the show, everybody, like the producer. 447 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: And so there was a really I know. So there's 448 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 2: a really beautiful I think way that the show navigated 449 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: their relationship because they kept bringing them back in at 450 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: the right moments to elevate their time together. And I 451 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 2: don't think we see that kind of I'm just using 452 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 2: your words gameplay from the show today. That strategy of 453 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: this is a couple that people are gonna love. It's 454 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: going to enhance our brand, it's going to help, you know, 455 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 2: us get known as the show for love. And so 456 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: let's keep bringing them back, Let's keep giving them touch points. 457 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 2: Let's keep them around the live events together. And that 458 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 2: was very strategic. That was very much a they're going 459 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 2: to figure it out one day, we just don't know when, 460 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 2: and so let's keep them around until they do. 461 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 4: God, that's almost heartbreaking to hear because it's like it's 462 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 4: so different now. Now it's just like, get them in there, 463 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 4: we need to re engagements. Here's five hundred thousand dollars 464 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 4: separating into three arbitrary envelopes of random amounts of money, 465 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 4: and you're just like, what am I watching? What is 466 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 4: going on? 467 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: I think we can all know, though, who masterminded that 468 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: strategy and who was in it long enough to say 469 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 2: the long play here is better than the forced play 470 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 2: of this. So let's keep this going. And if you 471 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 2: were in that crowd at the time, if you probably 472 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 2: weren't Ashley or Jared, you're like, no, this is one 473 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 2: hundred percent what they're doing. Ashley and Jared were just 474 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: on their own little journey at the pace they needed 475 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 2: to be so that they can have a beautiful family 476 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 2: and a beautiful marriage. 477 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 5: I'd see. 478 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 3: I just can't stop with the questions. This is interesting, though. 479 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 3: We don't think we've talked about on the podcast. Yet 480 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 3: Mel's ex wife left him for a woman. Yeah, and 481 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 3: she is now married to a woman, and that is 482 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 3: a huge part of somebody's life. Yes, and it was 483 00:24:59,000 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 3: not on his season. 484 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 4: Not only was it not on his season, like he 485 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 4: barely talked about why that relationship ended, whether it was 486 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 4: because she now is going to be in a relationship 487 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 4: with a woman or not. Like, the whole thing of 488 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 4: why that ended, how he dealt with it just was 489 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 4: never discussed. And so even that, like one of the 490 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 4: biggest pieces of the Golden franchise is have you been 491 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 4: married before? If yes, what happened with that? 492 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: Are you divorced? 493 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 4: Is your spouse no longer with us? 494 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: You know? 495 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 4: What are the kind of particulars of those situations do 496 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 4: a lot to paint sympathy for all of these different players, 497 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 4: and we never got that for him. So I mean, 498 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 4: he was just like, yeah, we got divorced anyway, Oh 499 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 4: like football. 500 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 3: If we knew if he was talking about like his 501 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 3: wife leaving him for our woman, we would have definitely 502 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: been more sympathetic. 503 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 2: I feel like it could have been not his story 504 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: to tell though, either. Ah, it could be that, you know, 505 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: but I do agree there was a line there whereas like, 506 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: could you tell any story? Like you don't have to 507 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: go into the details of her life and what happened 508 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: and where she's at now that I know that could 509 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: seem inappropriate and it's disrespectful, but goodness, could you tell 510 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 2: anything like anything at all? Give us up, give us 511 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 2: something to feel here And I think we missed it, Lizzie, 512 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 2: we haven't got to you as we close up here, 513 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: do you have any questions for Ashley or myself that 514 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: you want to ask? 515 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 5: Actually? Which housewife would you say did you try to 516 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 5: model your play style after? If you could pick one. 517 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 3: This is a great question because I thought that the 518 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 3: people that would go into The Bachelor without having watched 519 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 3: The Bachelor were absolutely insane people because I was such 520 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 3: a fan being part of it before I was part 521 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 3: of it. And I actually haven't never watched the Housewise franchise, 522 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 3: I know, thank god, oh my god, maybe it was good. 523 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: I haven't because maybe I would have been too scared. 524 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: It was definitely a debate on whether or not I 525 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: would do it or not. Now I'll be a debate 526 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 3: between me and Jared. I mean, like our mind's just 527 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 3: like the collective like lifestyle debate. 528 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 5: How did you end up doing it? I had assumed 529 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 5: you were an avid watcher, not at all. 530 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 3: My mom would watch the OG New York Housewives, so 531 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: like I know Ramona and like that whole crew. So 532 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 3: I did not model my play after anyone. And I 533 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 3: wish I can speak more, but I feel like pr 534 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: would be like ash, yeah if I say anymore. But 535 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 3: I would love to at one point, like maybe with 536 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 3: one of their reps on here, like just give a 537 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 3: little bit more the thought process. 538 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 5: My favorites are Potomac and Salt Lake City. If you 539 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 5: are going to. 540 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 4: Start okay and what it's worth, I think, just based 541 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 4: on like what I know of your place Styn the Bachelor, 542 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 4: I think this is actually beneficial for you. Again, I 543 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 4: think you're kind of like a Taylor Frankie Paul type 544 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 4: player that just has it, that understands the game of 545 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 4: reality TV at like a cellular level. And I think 546 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 4: if you if you go in with too many strategism 547 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 4: that might actually screw up your place style. 548 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 6: I love this. 549 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 2: She was born to be a reality Sorry, here's gonna 550 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 2: be the fun part. And it's a good promotion. See 551 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 2: I would have heard that actually, and I've been like, 552 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 2: that's not a compliment, and you're like, no, thank you, 553 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: I do. I was made for this moment. Unreal, But 554 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 2: it's gonna be a fun ride. So Chad and Lizzy, 555 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: We're gonna break down obviously Real Housewives Rhode Island here 556 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 2: at the Almost Famous podcast. I've never watched an episode 557 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: and it is something like I had to watch Perfect 558 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 2: Match this year and it threw me for a loop 559 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: mentally for. 560 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 5: Money joyed it. 561 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: I did because it was so abnormally odd to me 562 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 2: on how somebody can lick ice off as somebody else's 563 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: thigh within ten minutes of meeting them. I was like, 564 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 2: I don't get it. I don't know how that happens. 565 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: This is the only place it could happen where it's 566 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: not like weird. And so we're gonna be breaking it down. 567 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a lot of fun because 568 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: I'm assuming I'm gonna have a lot of questions for Ashley, 569 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,239 Speaker 2: a lot of moments of are you serious? What it 570 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: was this like? And I'm excited to watch it too 571 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: for the first time, and we'll be doing it here 572 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: and so maybe when we do, Lizzie, you can come 573 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 2: back on and kind of give your breakdown of Ashley's performance. 574 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, like Lizzie, you're gonna need to train me. 575 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, it cannot wait. 576 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 5: I will say I watched the trailer. There was not 577 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 5: enough Ashley eye in it for me. But you know 578 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 5: it's just one trailer. 579 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 3: Well, I can't say anything. 580 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 2: I know it was gonna wait till you do it. 581 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: Hey again. The Game of Roses podcast is a great 582 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: listen along with the book How to Win the Bachelor 583 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: Chat and Lizzie, thank you for coming on, Thank you 584 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: for chatting with us, giving us all your insights, all 585 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 2: your things. If there's anything else, if there's any monumental 586 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: moments in the franchise where you're like, we got to 587 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: talk to Ashley and been about it, please let us know. 588 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 2: You're a joy to talk to in an interview. Unlike 589 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: mostly ever one of us are gone, yeah, come jump on. 590 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 5: I am about to go on maternity leave, but oh 591 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 5: my god, thank you. 592 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 3: We would have no idea your biker's right there. 593 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 5: I am dying. 594 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: No, I'll be fine. 595 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 5: Before Taylor, Frankie Paul's season, we should definitely have you 596 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 5: guys on like this is a true honor too. 597 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 3: So fun. 598 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 2: Thank you guys, we appreciate it. Until next time. 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