1 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What 2 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: You Did. My name is Millie de. 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 2: Cheriko, I'm Daniel Henderson, and we are here with you, 4 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: baby to talk about films and other little whatnots. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: What's going on, Danielle, Well. 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 3: There's something else going on that is related to film 7 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 3: that I would. 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 4: Love to talk to you about. 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 3: Okay, Today is the day that your book TCM Underground 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: fifty must See Films from the world of Classic cult 11 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: and Late Night Cinema is released into the world. 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 4: I mean, can we take a moment. 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: Holy shit, I almost forgot. No, actually I did not forgot. 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 3: Well, I am so proud of you for writing this 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: first and foremost, and I pre ordered it so it 16 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: just showed up today, which is exciting. I pre ordered 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: a bunch of copies because they are going out as 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 3: holiday gifts and just general like they're going to be 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: on my shelves, write my bookshelf, right next to my 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: own books. Like, I'm very, very very proud of you, 21 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: and I'm just really excited because this book is so 22 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: cool and it's not stuffy and it's not like like 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: it's if you like our podcast, you will love this book. 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: If Millie has a co writer, of course, Quatoya Murray, 25 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: so we don't want to forget her. But I will 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: say that this is a book that is in Millie's voice. 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: It is in that same style. Toya writes in a 28 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: very evocative style as well. So it's just fun and informative, 29 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 3: just like our podcast is. 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 4: And I love it. 31 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: I love it, But I wanted to so I wanted 32 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: to take some time at the top of the show 33 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: to ask you about your experience of this book. So 34 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: we know that you use the talisman to write it, 35 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: but how did this book come together? Like? 36 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 4: Was it just was it you pitching it to people? 37 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: Was it someone came to you because you created TCM Underground, 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: So tell us about that, Like how did TCM Underground 39 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: come to be? 40 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 4: And then how did this book come to be? 41 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 1: Sure, I'll do that. Yeah, So TCM Underground. For those 42 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: of you who don't watch TV classic cable programming, you know, 43 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: my day job is that I worked for a network 44 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: Turner Classic Movies, And in two thousand and six, I 45 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: was at the network for like maybe two years or something. 46 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: In two thousand and six, they basically there was a 47 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: guy that I worked with named Eric Weber, and he 48 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: had this idea to do like a cult movie showcase 49 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: like late at Night, and it was you know, he 50 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: and I when I first started TCM, he you know, 51 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: they everybody that we worked with was like, you got 52 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: to meet this guy because he loves like Divine and 53 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: like Pinky Violet and some movies like you know. He 54 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: was basically like, you and him have to hang out. 55 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: If Danielle was there, you'd be like, she'd be like 56 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: buying us shots to be like you two kiss. But 57 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: it was that thing, and people were just like we 58 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: were just like being put together because we liked all 59 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: the same kind of cult stuff. And he was like, well, 60 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: you know, I've been thrown around this idea for like 61 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: maybe doing like a late night kind of It was 62 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: kind of a mix between you know, like USA Up 63 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: all night meets Night Flight like that kind of thing, 64 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: because you know, he and I are around the same 65 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: age and we grew up on a lot of that 66 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: like eighties middle of the night kind of weird movie programming. 67 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: And then shortly after we talked about it, basically TCM 68 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: decided to launch it and it came on at two 69 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: am on Friday nights technically Saturday mornings still on. So 70 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: it's been I don't know how many years. 71 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 4: That is. 72 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: What ear are we in right now, it's hard to say. 73 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm also yeah, but so it's like it's been on 74 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: for a long time. And essentially I've been the programmer 75 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: for it because unfortunately for Eric, like he wasn't with 76 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: the company very much longer after it launched, and so 77 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: I was just kind of put there to program it 78 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: and I've been doing it ever since. And then I 79 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: don't know, fast forward to Pandemic, and you know, essentially 80 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: I was asked if I would consider doing a book 81 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: about cult movies for TCM, and at the time, I 82 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: had all the time in the world to write a book, 83 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: but then six or seven months went by, and then 84 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: the idea came back up, and then I was living 85 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: in my parents' guest bedroom and you know, all this 86 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: other stuff was going on in the world, and so 87 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: basically I encouraged them to approach this woman, Katoya Murray, 88 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: that I worked with at TCM, and she was young, 89 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: she was a woman of color, she's cool as shit, 90 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: and she loved Colt movies and I'm like, she would 91 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: be perfect to write your book, and then at a 92 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: certain point she came back to them and said, actually, 93 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: I live in France, now, so what if we wrote 94 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: this book together? And I was like, listen, two heads 95 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: are better than one. Let's go and we knock that 96 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: shit out. And it basically the book is that it's 97 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: fifty titles. It's like a film reference guide, right. You know, 98 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: I grew up on those books, you know where before 99 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: the Internet, you'd have to like go to the library, 100 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: like go to Tower Records to buy books where people 101 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: reviewed movies and that kind of stuff, and then you'd 102 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: put them on your watch list and then you'd rent 103 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: the videos. That's how I worked, And so I grew 104 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: up reading stuff like Danny Perry's Cult Movie Books and 105 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: like the Psychotronic Guide to Film and like Video Video Hounds, 106 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: like Cult Movie Guide. So I was a I had 107 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: grown up with books like that, and so I think 108 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: when the idea came up, Toy and I were like, well, 109 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: why don't we just write a book like that, except 110 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: we we'll just take titles that have aired as part 111 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: of Underground, and since it's aired for like so long, 112 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: there's been four hundred something titles. So she picked twenty five, 113 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: and I picked twenty five and we just went hard 114 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: on each and just talked about them and why we 115 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: love them, and you know, so that's the book. 116 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: I absolutely adore it. And was it hard to pick 117 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: the titles? Like did you have any kind of rhyme 118 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: or reason to the movies that you did pick? Because 119 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: there are so many to choose from, and you know, 120 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 3: not just that there have been over four hundred that 121 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 3: have aired on TCM Underground, but just in general, like 122 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: you have such a wealth of knowledge about cult movies 123 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: and you know, kind of late night films. 124 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's a good question. Listen. It was kind 125 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: of like a mixture of things. It was, I won't 126 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: speak entirely for Toya, but for me when I was 127 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: picking the twenty five that I wanted to write about, 128 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: it was like a mixture of like stuff that I 129 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: just really wanted to talk about, like movies that I 130 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: felt very strongly about or were very moved by, you know, 131 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: but also you know, having been a student of these 132 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: cult movies books and cult movie canon in general, I 133 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: was like, I'd love to go for some stuff that 134 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: doesn't get written about a lot, like you know, yes, 135 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: we know, Eraserhead, Yes, we know, you know whatever like 136 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: Pink Flamingos or you know, all of this, like classic 137 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: midnight movie Cannon. And I was just like, well, let's 138 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: get in there and use our own personal experiences, you know, 139 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: as women, and let's see if we can just like 140 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: add more titles to this general conversation about what a 141 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: cult movie is. And you know, yeah and so and 142 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: so at the end of the day, the movies that 143 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: I picked, a lot of the stuff that I picked 144 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: and that she picked were made by people of color, 145 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: were made by women, were made by you know, lgbt 146 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: Q direct. So it was like and it wasn't intentional necessarily, 147 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: it was just sort of like that's just what we 148 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: gravitated towards personally, you know what I mean. 149 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: That makes perfect sense. And I think it's it's it's 150 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: cool that you are seeing this book as part of 151 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: a larger discussion, because it is like you're part of 152 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: a history that you yourself availed yourself of, like you said, 153 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 3: like you grew up on these books. But I think 154 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 3: that's the exact kind of thing that helps move, you know, 155 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 3: kind of a critical analysis forward, is having different voices 156 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 3: and different people involved in those conversations, and so you 157 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: do that every week even with your programming, where you know, 158 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: what you're considering a cult movie is something that might 159 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 3: be completely new to people, but you're programming things that 160 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: are you know, beloved, but also things that are kind 161 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: of like, I've never even heard of this, I've never 162 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 3: seen this, and it's one of the joys of watching Underground. 163 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 3: And so I'm glad that that came through in your 164 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: book as well, because it's really it's it's interesting enough 165 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 3: to me that and I think that it's it's really 166 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: fascinating and wonderful that you're able to be part of 167 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: that conversation but also push it forward just by being 168 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: who you are, Like, it's very very cool. 169 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: Oh, thanks so much. That really means a lot, because, 170 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: as you know, this is the first book I've ever written, 171 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: and I was shook but end to end by this process, 172 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: and you were invaluable for me just to like even 173 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: call you and be like I'm thinking about quitting, which 174 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: I did like five or six times. No, it was listen. 175 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: It was truly helpful to know you, to know people 176 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: that have written books, because you're just so in your 177 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: own head when you're in this process, at least for me, 178 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like this is like 179 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: I feel it just felt like a monumental task. It 180 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: felt like I was gonna do it wrong. There were 181 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: times where you know, it might have been a talisman 182 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: to be honest, but I had to like readjust what 183 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: the expectations were for the book, like where I was like, 184 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: I was so used to like going super hard, like 185 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: I like on that grad school way of like just 186 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: getting real deep about stuff. And I would be sitting 187 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: there and I'm like, this is only supposed to be 188 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: like fifteen hundred words, And I'm like, yo, I'm not 189 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: like six thousand words on one entry. And I'm like, 190 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: calm down, put that talisman in its bed, like this 191 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: is this is not the book for that, Like this 192 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: is something different, you know what I mean? 193 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 3: Right well, also, but that is also part of the 194 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 3: process sometimes where I and I had to learn that, 195 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 3: like anyone who writes a book, I think has to 196 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 3: learn that that you have to get like the purge 197 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: is a big part of it. You have to get 198 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: it out of your head. And then the bulk of 199 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: the work for me always comes in the editing. Like 200 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: I'd rather have too much to edit than not enough. 201 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: So I think it's cool that you had like a 202 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: lot of words to say because you don't have to 203 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: scrap those words. I think it's smart that you thought 204 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 3: they're just not going in this book, like this book 205 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 3: is something else. 206 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: Well, And that's the other part that I almost cried 207 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: and almost quit called you about is the editing part, 208 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: because that was really tough. I mean, I have definitely 209 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: had my work edited before. I mean, I you know, 210 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: at my job, every day, my work, my creative work 211 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: gets put up to you know, scrutiny by people in 212 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: my department, by my bosses. So I'm not like super 213 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: precious about things. Like I can take criticisms and I 214 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: think I'm okay with it with being told that maybe 215 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: I need to rethink something or do something differently right, 216 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: But it was like, on a level, it was so intense, 217 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: and like I said, I've never experienced writing a book 218 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: like or at all, so it was like I felt 219 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: very emotional about it, Like when you get sixty thousand 220 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: words back and then it's like people in the margins 221 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: being like it's not even like you spelled wrong. It 222 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: was like this doesn't make sense. What are you doing? 223 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, and I just like 224 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: would like lose it. I would lose my shit because 225 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't used to that kind of all in one sitting, 226 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: I guess right. And I remember calling you and you 227 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: were like, girl, it's fine, Like you can't expect to 228 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: just write a book. And then they're like, oh, this 229 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: is perfect publish, you know, like editors like just for 230 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: a reason, you know, they want to make your book better. 231 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 4: So now, is is there something? 232 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 3: Is there like one or two movies that you absolutely 233 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: loved writing about for this book? 234 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, Now I'm trying to remember when. 235 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 4: I'm like that. 236 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: The other day we were on TV, like, so we 237 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: did a a shoot with TCM and Alicia Malone, one 238 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: of our hosts, you know, and we had to you know, 239 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: basically be on camera and she was asking us all 240 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: these questions, and I remember she said something like, yeah, 241 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: so like, let us like, what are some other films 242 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: in the book that you really liked? And Toy and 243 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: I looked at each other and we were like, uh, 244 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: we forgot what we wrote about I Guesse. 245 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 3: We were like, so, Branda, like, man, we wrote this 246 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 3: book in a fugue state from two different continents, and. 247 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: I fucking completely forgot about half the shit for me, Like, 248 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: I loved writing about this movie called. 249 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 4: The Baby Ooh. 250 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: From nineteen seventy three. It is wild. It's a wild film. 251 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: I remember when it aired on Underground. One of my coworkers, 252 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: like he was a producer, came up to my desk 253 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: like the next day and was like, so, I saw 254 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: this movie called The Baby last night, and I heard 255 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: that you programmed it, and I just want to say, 256 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm a bad person or a 257 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: good person right now. I sat through it and was like, 258 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: what am I? How do I feel about myself? Like 259 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: it reoriented his entire moral center, But it's essentially about 260 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: a grown man who is a baby for lack of 261 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: that is truly just the core of the film. And 262 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: so I had a lot of good a lot of 263 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: good times thinking about that. Rewatching that movie especially was 264 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: a trip. I wrote about The Silent Partner. We talked 265 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: about that on the podcast. I wrote about Possession, Andre 266 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: Zulawski's film, which having to sit there and watch that 267 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: movie several times was why I felt like I was 268 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: on another planet. So there was a lot of enjoyable moments. 269 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, honestly, when it came down to it, 270 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it's so easy to 271 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: write about book movies that I like, you know what 272 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: I mean, like awesome, So yeah, I was, I was it. 273 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: I love that. That's fantastic. I think that's great. But 274 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: I just think that it's really it's interesting and cool 275 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 3: that from what I know, just from having talked to 276 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: you about this book, that I'm going to be able 277 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 3: to read about movies that I've never seen or think 278 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: like it will introduce new stuff to me. And I 279 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 3: think that's a big part of your your ethos is 280 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 3: like kind of introducing people to things that they normally 281 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 3: wouldn't consider. 282 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 4: So it's yeah, great to have it in book form. 283 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, And like, honestly, I think this is 284 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: like something that I hope comes through in the book. 285 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: I hope comes through an underground maybe is that you know. 286 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: I like, obviously I'm very much appreciative of the cult 287 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: cannon of the stuff that like we all know as 288 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: cult movies, right, the midnight movie stuff that we all 289 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: grew up with, but also just like going to places 290 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: like the New Beverly and you know, seeing kind of 291 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: cult films with audiences that kind of stuff. But I 292 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: feel like there's so many movies that get kind of 293 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: left out of those type of places because I think 294 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of like cult movies, there's a lot 295 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: of men, and they ultimately decide on what gets shown 296 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: and what gets preserved and what gets put back out there. 297 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's changing. So the stuff that 298 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: I grew up watching, like the Herschel Gordon Lewis movies 299 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: and like the Russ Meyer movies and that kind of stuff. 300 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: You know, Ray Dennis Steckler, like all these directors are 301 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: incredible films. Like they're incredible movies, and I still love 302 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: watching that kind of stuff, you know, Dario Argento and 303 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: lou Sheful She like all these directors that I grew 304 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: up with. But I also feel like there's room for 305 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: other things too, And I feel like, especially when it 306 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: comes to like melodrama and yes, women's stories, Like there's 307 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: an incredible book by Kayla Denise called the House of 308 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: Psychotic Women, and it's basically this it's like half memoir 309 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: but half like film reference guide for like movies about 310 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: women who are quote unquote crazy, and she goes into 311 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: these really interesting areas talking about like movies like Images 312 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: and Share, Let's Scare Jessica to Death and like Secret Ceremony, 313 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: which I wrote about in our book, And I just 314 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: feel like those are the movies that I would love 315 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: to see more of as part of cult Cannon is 316 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: stuff about you know, Toya in our book wrote a 317 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: lot about She wrote about like black Directors, and she 318 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: wrote about gonchin Has but she there's an entry about 319 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm Gonna get you Sucka and like it's like stuff 320 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: where you know, we could be having this conversation together. 321 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be like well, if you know, 322 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: just because like it's not an eighties action movie, it 323 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: doesn't belong in a rep house or it's part of 324 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: like a cult movie canon. I think there's a lot 325 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: of room, but it has to be sometimes brought into 326 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: the mix by people of diversity, if you know what exactly. 327 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 3: Well, that's again, like I think that's part of like 328 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: I think you are allowed to just have the space 329 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 3: to write about whatever you want, and you have the 330 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 3: clout and the cred to do anything you want. But 331 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 3: what I really love and think this is such a 332 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 3: great and huge accomplishment. For that reason is that you 333 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: are bringing your whole self to this book, you know, 334 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 3: you and Toya both, and so it does give instantly. 335 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 3: It's a very very different book from most cult movie 336 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 3: books because you're bringing your whole self to it, and 337 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 3: that's not to be discounted. And I think it's incredibly important. 338 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 3: And I'm just so unbelievably proud of you because it's 339 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: it matters, It matters a lot, and I think you 340 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 3: know I've said this before, but I truly mean it 341 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 3: that you are you are going to be to someone 342 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: what all those other books were for you. So I 343 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 3: think that's cool that somebody will pick this up and 344 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: read it and be seen in a way that they 345 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 3: have not been seen before. Yeah, and start to develop 346 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 3: their own film language as a result. And I think 347 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 3: that is incredibly that's something you mean to be incredibly 348 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: proud of. 349 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 4: Well. 350 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: Thanks. I mean it's heavy, and only in the sense 351 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: that I'm like wow, time is a bitch, Like I'm 352 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: like wow, Like it feels like yesterday that I was 353 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: in high school, like desperate for culture and you know, 354 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: looking to just do anything that was transgressive or shocking 355 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: or like, you know, we talked about that a little 356 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: bit in the Clockwork Orange episode. I just wanted to 357 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: be around weird things, right, and I wanted to like 358 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: know city people, and I wanted to like go to 359 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: weird corners of you know, like punk rock bars and 360 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: weird old movie theaters. And that's just how I wanted 361 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: to live my life when I was a teenager. And 362 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: so like, it's crazy that enough time has passed that 363 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: now I'm like an adult and I'm like writing my 364 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: own thing about it, you know. 365 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 366 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: And god, somebody actually, like a while ago, I think 367 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: this was like a couple of years ago. Even a 368 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 1: guy came up to me and was like, I've been 369 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: watching TCM around my whole life. And I'm like, no, 370 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: you haven't. And he's like, it's been like sixteen years 371 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: since you started. And I was like, holy shit, how 372 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: old are you? And he's like, I'm like twenty three, 373 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: and I'm like, holy shit, Yeah, I mean it's consumable 374 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: that you've been watching this show like your whole Like 375 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: he was like a little kid when they came on, 376 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna freak the 377 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,959 Speaker 1: fuck out right now, what the fuck is going on, 378 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: and I just was like mind blowing because you just 379 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: time passes, you know, and you don't even realize it. 380 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: So I love it and this and this is It's 381 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 3: something that I think I also. 382 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 4: Try try to impart. 383 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: And it's advice that I always need whenever I sit 384 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 3: down to write anything, but particularly a book. If the 385 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 3: book that you need or needed isn't available, then you 386 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 3: have to write it. Like if the book that you 387 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 3: needed as a teenager is not on a shelf somewhere, 388 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 3: then you have to write it. 389 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you did that. 390 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. I often think sometimes it would have been different 391 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: to have had I'm just gonna use the term gatekeepers 392 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: for like lack of a better term, but if I 393 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: had had more women gatekeepers in my life, like it 394 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: just wasn't the reality for when I was growing up, 395 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: Like I knew this like one cool lady who was 396 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: like at every cool show and she was like a 397 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: radio DJ. She was in her forties, and she was 398 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: like she had like that kind of life where like 399 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 1: she was like she used to be a burlesque dancer 400 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: and she used to be best friends with the Cramps, 401 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: and she was like you know this kind of like 402 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: just the type of person you needed when you were 403 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: like seventeen. Yeah, right, But she was pretty much the 404 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: only one. Like there might have been one other, but 405 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: for the most part, all the people that I sat 406 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: there and followed around town were guys, you know what 407 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: I mean, because they were like, Oh, they're the guys 408 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: working at the record stores. There are the people working 409 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: at the video stores. They're you know, they're the ones 410 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: that you're like, you're just sitting there and like listening 411 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: to like talk their smack, you know what I mean. 412 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: And I just thought it. I was like, what if, 413 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: like if I had had more women in that world, 414 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: Like if there were women who were writing books like 415 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: this or working in video stores and records, yeah, it 416 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: might have been a little different. It might not have 417 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: been as hard or felt. 418 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 4: Exactly you know, yeah, exactly. It could have been a 419 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 4: little more freeing. 420 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: And you know, I think the only person that I 421 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 3: knew for a long time who was doing that was 422 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 3: Pauline Kale, and she was in such a specific category. 423 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 3: And you know, it's nice to have more and local 424 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 3: and consistent access to two women who kind of encourage 425 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 3: you and show you the way and show you that 426 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 3: it can be done. 427 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think now everything's so different though, I mean 428 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: I feel like there I don't even know if people like, 429 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: like you know, everybody just processes information so quickly and 430 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: so readily on the Internet that it's just a different 431 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: way of learning. But yeah, that was everything for me. 432 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's been It's wild. It's wild to 433 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: be like to have finished a book. I honestly didn't 434 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: think I was gonna make it. I mean, you we 435 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: talked about this so much. I was like, that's it. 436 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: I remember going, I needed an extension. I need an extension, 437 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: and uh my co writer was like, no, you don't. 438 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: You'll be fine. You're gonna do it in the time. 439 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, dude, I need like another six 440 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: months and she's like, no, you got this. And so 441 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: it was great. She was a great person to write 442 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: with because, like you said, we have the same sensibilities. 443 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: We didn't have any drama when it came to that, 444 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: Like she was like, here's my twenty five. I think 445 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: maybe we overlapped with like two films Nice and I 446 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: and I think she gave me one and I gave 447 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: her one, Like, so it didn't we didn't even fight 448 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: over the titles and it was great, Like it was 449 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: a great experience doing it with her, And I'm happy 450 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: for her too, like she you know, I'm so glad 451 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: that she's a part of this because she's a black 452 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: woman who loves cult film. She needs her per effective 453 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: needs to be out here, you know what I mean, 454 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: Like voices like hers need to be amplified. And you know, 455 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm so glad that she's got this opportunity 456 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:10,959 Speaker 1: to shine. 457 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 4: So yeah, I love it. 458 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 3: Well, folks, this book is out two day TCUM Underground 459 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 3: fifty must see films from the world of classic cult 460 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 3: and late night cinema. 461 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 4: It is out today. 462 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 3: Go buy it, order it, indie bookstores, whatever you need 463 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 3: to do. 464 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 4: But look, get one of these books. 465 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: Order it now, Go pick it up today and start 466 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 3: start thinking about holiday gifts and birthday gifts like this 467 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 3: is the kind of thing that is such a great 468 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 3: gift to get, Like it will open up someone's world 469 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 3: and give them fifty nights of things to do if 470 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 3: they so choose. 471 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, do we give Halloween gifts? Halloween is literally around 472 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: the corner. Perfect timing, But oh. 473 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 3: My god, order a hundred of these and start throwing 474 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 3: them in Halloween bags. Freak those kids out have some 475 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 3: eight year old watching possession. 476 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: These kids are gonna be like they didn't even give 477 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: us toothbrush and toothpaste. As shit, I gave us a 478 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: fucking book. We're never going to that house again. 479 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 3: Like it is truly the most old person gift of 480 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 3: old people gifts for a Halloween gift. 481 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 4: But try it. I want someone to try it. Try it, 482 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 4: see how it goes well. 483 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: Thank you Danielle for your support. I really appreciate it. 484 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: Like I said, you were I consulted you at so 485 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: many times during this process. You were in you were 486 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: invaluable to me. Uh and you really helped me out 487 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: with like getting through it. And I just really appreciate 488 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: your wisdom and your knowledge and your perspective. And guess what, 489 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: we're now both published authors. We can say that about 490 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: our podcast, So yeah we are. 491 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 3: Oh I'm so proud. I knew you could do it, 492 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 3: and I'm so proud of you. And again it'll happen again. 493 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 3: This is the first of many from you. 494 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: Shit, maybe we ought to write one together. 495 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 4: Sometimes what I'm down. 496 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're definitely writing about bars. I'll just write about 497 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: us hanging out in bars, it's a. 498 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 3: Book about bars, and then the publisher's going to be like, 499 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 3: so we have forty five bar tabs from across the 500 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 3: country that are extraordinary, and we've only seen ten words 501 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 3: from you. 502 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: And we keep getting pictures of Daniel's breast in the 503 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: midst and we don't know what to do with them. 504 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: I'd fucking write a book about toes with you. 505 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 4: I know, I'd write a book about anything with you. 506 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:46,959 Speaker 4: We should totally do it. 507 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: Well, you ready to do this episode? 508 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 4: Hell yeah, I am dude. 509 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: Halloween is literally days away, and we always do a 510 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: Halloween episode. I feel like I know this is our 511 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: second Halloween. So if we did one last year and 512 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: we did one this year, that means we always do 513 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: a Halloween episode. By my calculations, that seems accurate. 514 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 4: It's in a literal sense. 515 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, and let me fucking tell you, folks, we are 516 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: about to have a fucking blast with these two. I 517 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: cannot wait to talk about these movies. 518 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 4: Well, do you want to first tell them what the 519 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 4: theme is? Oh? 520 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I would love nothing more. Our theme is 521 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: very simple, but very effective. We are doing killer kid 522 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: movies for Halloween. 523 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: So many to choose from We know you're out there 524 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 3: screaming your head off right now, like, why didn't you 525 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 3: pick this one? 526 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 4: There? It was hard to narrow down, dude. 527 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: First of all, I'm sure their entire letterbox lists of 528 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: movies about killer kids, so don't send those toes. However, 529 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: I had to say, these two are our top class, 530 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: great a premium killer kid films. I'm sorry to say it, 531 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: but it is true. 532 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 3: I completely agree, and I'm not sorry to say it. 533 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 3: I think these are This is possibly our best double 534 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 3: feature of all time. 535 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 536 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 3: I think that these are classic entries into the world 537 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 3: of killer kids, and I cannot wait to talk about 538 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 3: both of them. But I particularly cannot get over how 539 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 3: much I laughed at your movie. 540 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: Oh I know, I said the same thing about your movie, 541 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: where I was like, is this movie actually scary to people? 542 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: Because I cannot stop laughing. I haven't seen it in 543 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: so long. I completely forgot. I think I remember the 544 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: first like fifteen minutes of the film, and then just 545 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,239 Speaker 1: I might have just dissociated for the rest, but I 546 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: was like, I don't remember any of this stuff. It 547 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: is so over the top, so fucking funny, and I 548 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: just was like, it is a joy, Like I cannot 549 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: stop thinking about your movie. Honestly, I know, but I 550 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: want to ask you right off the bat, just to 551 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: just to get this out of the way, because I 552 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: want to know, are you terrified of killer kids? Like 553 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: the concept is that something that's funny or scary to you? 554 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 3: This is where I reveal just how terrible of a 555 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 3: person I am. It's funny to me if they're little kids, 556 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 3: like if they're toddlers. 557 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: Agreed, one hundred percent. 558 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 4: A killer toddler is absolutely hilarious, one hundred percent. Like 559 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 4: a baby with a weapon. 560 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 3: It's just so it's it's I'm stumbling here, but like 561 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 3: there's no synchronicity there, Like I can't. It's so out 562 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 3: of place that it's instantly funny because it's so out 563 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: of place to see, Like a baby with a weapon, 564 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 3: a baby with murderous thoughts, a baby with like any 565 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 3: intent on anything, like a baby making a decision, Like 566 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 3: those are all funny things to me. 567 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, in the context of films, But yes we are. 568 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: Obviously I talk about real life. That's other, that's a 569 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: whole other world we're talking about in film. Look, we 570 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: just talked about it. How many times have killer babies 571 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: and children been presented to us in the context of film. 572 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: There's so many, exactly, and each time, I'm like, are 573 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: y'all serious with this? Like there is no fucking way 574 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: that this is serious? Like this is funniest shit to me, 575 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: and I don't know why, and I'm here to tell 576 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: you for me too, Like the smaller they are, the 577 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: funnier it is. And I don't I don't. 578 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 3: Know absolutely, and it's not even And here's what's weird, too, 579 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 3: Like when you think about there are some movies that 580 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: ride that line, because I know at one point I 581 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 3: had thought about choosing the good Son for this theme 582 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 3: ply culkn Elijah Wood movie and those are kids, but 583 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 3: that is some evil shit going on in that movie. 584 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 3: Like it's hard to laugh at some of that shit, 585 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 3: like when he throws that fucking thing over the overpass 586 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 3: and I'm like, that's too real because I'm an adult 587 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: who drives, so like that's too scary. Like so I 588 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 3: think that's when they, like you said, when they start 589 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 3: getting older and riding that line. There's still killer kids technically, 590 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 3: but it's a little too much. But a baby who 591 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 3: kills is always going to be funny to me. 592 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: Well, I think we got two of the finest killer 593 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: babies we've ever seen on film, and I think you're 594 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: going first this week, thank god, because I am. 595 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 4: Raring to go. So. 596 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 3: My film was released in nineteen seventy six. The screenplays 597 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 3: by David Seltzer. It was directed by Richard Donner. My 598 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 3: movie is the Omen. 599 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 5: This is not a human child, make no misge. 600 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, the Omen, dude, the Omen. 601 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 3: The Omen is a fucking classic. Now, this might have 602 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 3: been another movie that I've seen too young, because it's 603 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 3: one of my mom's favorites. So I remember seeing it 604 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 3: when I was a little kid, as with most scary 605 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 3: films I saw, and even as a little kid, I 606 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 3: don't remember most much of it. I just remember feeling 607 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 3: like it was scary, largely because of the soundtrack. Like 608 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 3: the soundtrack to this movie is some Latin chanting chorus, 609 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 3: deep dark shit. 610 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: So over the top, dude, so over the top. 611 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 3: It's so over the top, and it's so good and 612 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 3: it's so it fits. It helps elevate the movie in 613 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 3: a way to a different, more comical space, which I 614 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 3: don't think was the intention. But this movie great stars. 615 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 3: We've got Gregory Peck playing Robert Thorne. And look, we 616 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 3: all know how I feel about Gregory Peck. 617 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: I was gonna say right off the I need to know, 618 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: would you hit in this film again? 619 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 3: Would destroy the dick Gregory Peck at any age and 620 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 3: get it. 621 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: I thought of you because there's a part that I 622 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: fucking love and rewould like about a hundred times, which 623 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: is when he sings Happy Birthday, and I was like, 624 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: is Danielle still is her loin still aflame even as 625 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: he's singing Happy Birthday? And apparently the answers yes, so. 626 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 4: Answers, yes, answers yes. 627 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 3: Gregory Peck, a little gray, a little tired, little little tan, 628 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 3: absolutely would still destroy that dick. My apologies to his 629 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 3: family again, one day I'll be able to talk about 630 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 3: him without mentioning his penis. 631 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 4: But the day today. 632 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 3: And Lee Remick is also in this film. Lee Remick 633 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 3: was nominated for an Academy Award for the Day of 634 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 3: Wine and Roses. She was an anatomy of a murder. 635 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 3: She died really young, like tragically, of kidney cancer at 636 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 3: fifty five, but she was awesome in this movie. You've 637 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 3: got David Warner, who you will absolutely recognize has been 638 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 3: in so many films, and he plays a photographer named 639 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 3: Jennings Billy Whitelaw who plays Missus Baylock, and then the 640 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 3: introduction of Harvey Stevens as Damien, who is the fucking Antichrist. 641 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 3: So let me tell you here is my one sentence synopsis. 642 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 3: After their baby tragically dies during birth, a devil possessed 643 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 3: priest convinces a couple to adopt the Antichrist, leaving out 644 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 3: the small detail that it's the Antichrist. 645 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: It was so so many thoughts about this. I mean 646 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: that synopsis is insane, right, I think about that. Think 647 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: about what you just said. 648 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 4: There's so much going on this movie, I will say. 649 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 3: And I went back and read a couple of reviews 650 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 3: from when it came out in seventy six and Roger 651 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 3: Eber and like the New York Times and a bunch 652 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 3: of people were just like, this movie is slow and unscary, 653 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 3: like there is so much room that they use to 654 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 3: tell us the plot. And I'm like, yeah, but I 655 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 3: love it because it's again, like I said about another 656 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 3: movie recently, it might not be good, but it is fun. 657 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think this movie is both. 658 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 3: I think it's good fun and they gets a good 659 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 3: fun movie. And also the director Richard Donner, which is 660 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 3: wild to think about, Like he directed Scrooged, he directed 661 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 3: The Goonies, he directed all of the Christopher Reeves Superman's 662 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 3: and his first movie after the Omen was right, Like, 663 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,720 Speaker 3: he's just again very well revered director and has really 664 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 3: directed a lot of the films from our youth, including. 665 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: Me Good Lord. Yeah, I mean, it's it's crazy because 666 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, you've got like a we're in a 667 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: post Exorcist world basically where everybody was all up on 668 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: that devil possession shit. Like people loved it. Like, I mean, 669 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: we've never talked about the Exorcist on the podcast before, 670 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: but it was like a sensation when it came out. 671 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: So you have to assume that this is what the 672 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: Omen it was just in the wake of all that stuff. 673 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: And then you have Richard Donner being this director and 674 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 1: he's done so many, like subsequently, done so many fucking 675 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: movies of our childhood, and you're just like, oh, and 676 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,879 Speaker 1: then he did this crazy movie about the Antichrist being 677 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: a little kid. Oh it's just fuck, what the fuck? 678 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 3: It's so good and it's so like, like you said, 679 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 3: the cultural moment that this movie came out in is 680 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 3: important because I think, you know, we're looking at it 681 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy six, so we're also at a moment where, 682 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 3: you know, we're coming up on the Summer of sam 683 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,479 Speaker 3: and you know, we're just past the hippie movement, and 684 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 3: you know, there was just a lot of a lot 685 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 3: of people questioning a lot of shit that they had 686 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,240 Speaker 3: been told was pretty standard for all the decades leading 687 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 3: up to the seventies. So it was just a really 688 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 3: like people were definitely starting to question religion in more 689 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 3: in bigger ways and kind of more obvious ways. And 690 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 3: I think these films all play into that too, like 691 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 3: The Exorcist, the Omen. It's kind of like this this 692 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 3: wave of people questioning the role of religion in their 693 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 3: own lives. 694 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, did you think The Exorcist was scary when you 695 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: saw it? 696 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 4: Fuck? 697 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's scary me too. And I can't tell you why. 698 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: I can't tell you why. The Omen is funny and 699 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: The Exorcists is scary to me. And I'm just saying 700 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: from a Catholic perspective, like I should be terrified of both. 701 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: I guess there's a lot of Catholic shit in both 702 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: these movies. But I don't know. There's the Exorcist. I 703 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: think maybe because it was the first one, it has 704 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: a different setup, obviously a little bit less in the 705 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: music department. 706 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 4: Maybe. 707 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 3: Well we also got like that Max fon seedl element, 708 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 3: and Yeah, he just brings a gravitas and a creepiness 709 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 3: that cannot be contained. And Linda Blair was astonishing in 710 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 3: that role. And I think it was scary because there 711 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 3: was so much about it that was unpredictable and that 712 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 3: we hadn't quite seen up to that point, Like not 713 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,280 Speaker 3: just the really graphic stuff, but like just the notion 714 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 3: of an exorcist on its own was like scary to me. 715 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah. I just was curious about 716 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: that because I feel like those movies get these movies 717 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 1: get talked about together a lot. 718 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,439 Speaker 3: So I just wondered, Yeah, and I've met some evil 719 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 3: little kids, like we were little kids. I'm like, I've 720 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 3: met plenty of kids that I thought were the fucking Antichrist. 721 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 4: I've never met one that was possessed by I. 722 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: Was not the Antichrist. I was awesome. I was like 723 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: a real good and I'm kidding, but I wasn't the 724 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: anti Christ. For sure. There was kids way worse than me. 725 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, And look, I'm going to say right off 726 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 3: the bat that this whole movie in a nutshell is 727 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 3: about the instant karma of not telling your wife that 728 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 3: your baby died in childbirth. 729 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,399 Speaker 4: If he had just simply said, yo, our baby died. 730 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 4: No movie, yep, no movie. 731 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: That is I think an interesting connection point between our 732 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: two movies, if we're going there is it's all about 733 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: men's secrets. 734 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 4: Absolutely, men lying to their gods and. 735 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,760 Speaker 3: Wives about something that. 736 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 4: Should have been discussed. 737 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 3: Yes, in both films, like dealing with their emotional strife 738 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 3: by concealing major life altering things from their partners. 739 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,760 Speaker 1: Damn, we get deep on this podcast. 740 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 3: I love it right well, I'm about to get a 741 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 3: little not deep when I talk about this because, let 742 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 3: me tell you, the opening of this movie is so great. 743 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,919 Speaker 3: So you've got Gregory Peck in this hospital. He lives 744 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 3: in Italy, he's a diplomat. His wife gives birth and 745 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 3: the baby dies, and this priest, this wild priest, comes. 746 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 4: Out of nowhere and is like, look, adopt this baby. 747 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 3: And there's like a nun holding a little baby with 748 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 3: a like a little head full of hair, and she's like, 749 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 3: He's like, adopt this baby. 750 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 4: It looks like you. 751 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 3: And also, don't tell your wife and let me just 752 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,359 Speaker 3: tell you babies look like nothing. Yeah, when he said 753 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 3: this baby looks like you, I'm like, that baby could 754 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 3: have grown up to look like Andre the Giant or 755 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 3: like the lead singer from simply read like you can't 756 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,280 Speaker 3: keep that room going too long. 757 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I truly couldn't believe that Gregory Peck thought 758 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: this was an option. 759 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 4: Totally totally. 760 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,400 Speaker 3: You can't make decisions like that that deep in grief, 761 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 3: like you're just at the beginning of your deep grief. 762 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 3: You can't be deciding to bring in a whole other 763 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 3: stunt baby into the mix. 764 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 765 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 3: And religious folks are just out here doing some fuck 766 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 3: shit with adoptions in too many movies. I don't know 767 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 3: if you saw Three Perfect Strangers that documentary. 768 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, God I have. It's been a long time 769 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: since I've seen that. 770 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 3: But yeah, religious people are out here doing too much 771 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 3: function with babies when it comes to adoptions. And I 772 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 3: think the only solution, which I know is not available 773 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 3: in the seventies when this movie came out, but I'm 774 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,280 Speaker 3: wondering why it hasn't happened yet or if it should happen. 775 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 3: I know there are a lot of ethics involved in this, 776 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 3: but we got to start microsiping babies in the womb. 777 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 3: You gotta fucking chip that baby like we do a 778 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 3: cat or a dog or inner space it and face 779 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 3: it fucking injects some shit into it so that when 780 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 3: you wake up from your fucking hours of labor and 781 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 3: somebody puts a baby on your chest, you can like 782 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 3: wave a wand and be like, this ain't my baby. Sorry, 783 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 3: I know for a fact this ain't my baby. 784 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that that is terrifying to me, Like especially when 785 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 1: I walked at Three Perfect Strangers documentary, because I was 786 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: just thinking, like, how we live in the modern era. 787 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 1: This can't still be a problem, Like how in the 788 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 1: hell are people mixing up babies? This is crazy, right. 789 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 3: And intentionally doing so That movie through me for goddamn loop. 790 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 791 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, so the Thorns, you know, Catherine and Robert 792 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 3: Thorn have a baby and they're fine with it, and 793 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 3: then and Damien grows up fast and happy. But you know, 794 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 3: Robert comes home one day and He's like, I have 795 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 3: a new job and we're moving to London tomorrow. And 796 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 3: I'm like, see, that couldn't be me in the seventies. 797 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 3: I need feminism. That could not be me. Yeah, like, oh, 798 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 3: we're moving tomorrow for your job. You won't have to 799 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 3: leave me behind and let me go see the Trevy 800 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 3: Fountain one more time and get a fucking cappuccino. 801 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 4: Like that could not be me. 802 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Rome is pretty great. 803 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 3: I have to say, yeah, you gotta leave me there, 804 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 3: but you know they're gonna go. And so again, Damien's 805 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 3: growing up fast and happy. But this is where the 806 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 3: red flags start coming up. So the red flags start 807 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 3: coming up that here are some signs that, like, you know, 808 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 3: your kid might be the Antichrist. First, this dog shows 809 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 3: up and he's like a hound. He's like the dog 810 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 3: that talked to Sona Sam. And this dog shows up 811 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 3: and just starts giving people the evils like he gives 812 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 3: that they're the birthday party. This dog looks at this 813 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 3: fucking nanny gives her the evils, and then the next 814 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 3: thing you know, that nanny is jumping off of the 815 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 3: roof and hanging herself in front of all the kids. 816 00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: Okay, there are there's a lot of dog There's a 817 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,879 Speaker 1: lot of dogs in this film, like and and part 818 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: of me is like I had to remind myself. It's 819 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,280 Speaker 1: several points during the movie where I was like, oh, 820 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: this is taking place in Italy, but it is not 821 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: an Italian movie, no, because I'm like, this is like 822 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: a Giallo movie. This entire movie feels like a jolo movie. 823 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: But it wasn't made by an Italian director. It was 824 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,320 Speaker 1: made by Richard Donner, director of Superman. And I was 825 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,359 Speaker 1: just like, why are there so many fucking dogs around? 826 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 1: This is like some Jallo shit. Italian's got problems with dogs, 827 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm gonna tell you that right now. 828 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 1: They got like a lot of like weird things with 829 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 1: dogs in movies. Yeah, like in a lot of movies. 830 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,879 Speaker 1: And just I've seen a lot of Italian movies where 831 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: like dogs are ripping people to fucking shreds. They like 832 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: get their eyeballs poked out and shit, Like I don't 833 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,839 Speaker 1: know what's going on with Italians and dogs, but I'm 834 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: just saying like that's why I was like, what kind 835 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:56,840 Speaker 1: of movie am I watching right now? 836 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 4: I forgot you are Italian? 837 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: So I kind of say with all authority, yes, Italians 838 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: are weird with dogs. 839 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 3: Well this dog is especially weird. He's like a telepathic motherfuck. 840 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,439 Speaker 3: And he comes in and this nanny just jumps down 841 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 3: and kills herself, and everyone's. 842 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 4: Like, oh my god, grab the kids, and you know 843 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 4: the thorns. 844 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,919 Speaker 3: They pick up Damien and they hug him, and then 845 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 3: the dog just looks at Damien and he gives a 846 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,799 Speaker 3: little wave and I'm like, the fact that the kid 847 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 3: is not afraid of that dog. Check to see if 848 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 3: he's the Antichrist first and foremost. 849 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,840 Speaker 4: Then they're in cahoots. 850 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 3: They're in cahoots, in cahoots. And then in between Red 851 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,279 Speaker 3: Flags we get to meet Father Brennan, who is in 852 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 3: a fucking flurry. 853 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:38,759 Speaker 4: He runs in and. 854 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,440 Speaker 3: He's like, yo, your kid is the Antichrist. I was 855 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,359 Speaker 3: there when he was born, and you gotta kill him. 856 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,320 Speaker 3: And Robert's like, absolutely not, like he is in denial for. 857 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,400 Speaker 4: So much of this movie. 858 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and Father Brennan is like, no, seriously, you 859 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 3: gotta kill him, and he's like, Pace, I am not 860 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 3: talking to you. 861 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 4: You're wild. 862 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 3: The second Red Flag is after this event with the 863 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 3: first nanny, another nanny shows up and her name is 864 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 3: Missus Baylock, and the first thing she says is I'm 865 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 3: here to protect, to protect you, And that's first thing 866 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 3: she says to Damien. But prior to that, she shows 867 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,880 Speaker 3: up at the house and the parents are like, okay, 868 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 3: you seem cool. She's like, hey, let me alone with 869 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 3: that kid for a minute, like, don't don't introduce me 870 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,000 Speaker 3: to him. I'll introduce myself. And then as after she leaves, 871 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 3: they realize neither one of them hired her. Yeah, so 872 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 3: she's like, let me alone with your kids. So at first, 873 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 3: when you're watching, you're like, oh, she gonna kill that kid. 874 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 3: And then she says the I'm here to protect you thing. Yeah, 875 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 3: so he's got a dog protector and like a white 876 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:43,800 Speaker 3: witch protector. 877 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, who wasn't hired by either of the parents. And 878 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,319 Speaker 1: I guess this is the seventies. They're like, I guess 879 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,360 Speaker 1: we'll just leave this woman alone with our child. Yeah, 880 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,000 Speaker 1: we don't care. 881 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:53,879 Speaker 4: Yeah. 882 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 3: She's like she's like, oh yeah, I came from an 883 00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 3: agency and they're like, all right, sounds legit. So she 884 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 3: comes through and she's not your typical governess, your typical nanny. 885 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 3: She will not take Damien too church first and formal, 886 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 3: like she just flat out ignores their wishes right away, 887 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 3: And Gregory Peck is like, you better dress that kid 888 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 3: and take him to goddamn church, like you got five minutes. 889 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,399 Speaker 3: And so they dress him like mister Peanut and put 890 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,799 Speaker 3: him in the back of the car, and as they 891 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 3: get closer to the church, he starts bugging out and 892 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 3: he attacks his mom, and. 893 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,839 Speaker 4: They fucking skid the fuck out of there. And then 894 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:36,319 Speaker 4: after the attack, Robert says, Robert says to Catherine, do 895 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 4: you want me to call a doctor? And she's like, no, 896 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 4: I'm fine, And he's like, oh, I meant. 897 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 3: For Damien, like not considering her at all with her 898 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,399 Speaker 3: fucking scratched up face. 899 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 4: And this fucking weird dog. 900 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 3: And then missus Baylock moves the dog into the house 901 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 3: as a watchdog. 902 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,359 Speaker 4: So she's just like, I'm not listening to y'all. 903 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 3: So if you have a nanny that shows up out 904 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 3: of nowhere that you didn't hire, who in sist on 905 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,439 Speaker 3: bringing in this fucking hell hound. 906 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 4: To watch your child? That child might be the Antichrist. 907 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,440 Speaker 1: Also, Damien windmilled his own mother roadhouse style in the car, 908 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,320 Speaker 1: and thank you, she's got a visible bruise on her face. 909 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,839 Speaker 4: He kicked the shit out of her. 910 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was like, he really didn't want to 911 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,480 Speaker 1: go to church. I get that, But at the same time, yo, 912 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: put you laid hands on your mom. That bruise is huge. Dude. 913 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that cannot be explained easily, nor should it. 914 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,320 Speaker 1: It's that super Antichrist strength. 915 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 3: Man. 916 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:39,720 Speaker 1: He was he was juiced. He He's juice is Jesus. 917 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 3: He was juiced on fear of not wanting to go 918 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 3: into a damn church. The other red flag, which I 919 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,439 Speaker 3: just find interesting they don't go into too much detail about, 920 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,760 Speaker 3: but I just think it's fascinating, is he's never been sick. 921 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 3: Babies get sick at the drop of a fucking hat. 922 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,960 Speaker 3: If you have a child who's four or five years 923 00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,359 Speaker 3: old and they've never been sick, I would say, check 924 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 3: that kid for sixty six six tattoos. 925 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. And kids have like hand, foot in mouth disease, 926 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: Like every five minutes something going on there. 927 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,720 Speaker 3: Kids bring back diseases like things that were long dormant, 928 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,520 Speaker 3: and then it's like, oh, this school has this is 929 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,759 Speaker 3: horrible disease, a black plague. Yeah, sorry, the plague is 930 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,960 Speaker 3: back because this one school had it because these kids 931 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,239 Speaker 3: just ate a bunch of fucking pit like cat piss 932 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,799 Speaker 3: filled sand at the playground, and now we have the 933 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 3: plague again, like kids bring long dormant diseases back. 934 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,919 Speaker 1: Is that typical for anti Christ mythology? By the way, 935 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 1: that they don't get sick. The Antichrist doesn't get sick. 936 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,799 Speaker 3: That's what I found interesting because I don't know, I've 937 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,279 Speaker 3: never heard that before in Antichrist mythology. But I'm also 938 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,240 Speaker 3: not that well versed in it, so I'm not sure. 939 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,800 Speaker 1: Look, you're talking to somebody who knows little to nothing 940 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: about how the rules of the Antichrist. I'm like, oh, 941 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 1: I guess they're just healthy, healthy as a horse. 942 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,040 Speaker 3: I mean, it's not as clear as vampires, where I 943 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,080 Speaker 3: could look at the Lost Boys and be like, nah, 944 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,040 Speaker 3: this is not the mythology at all. 945 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,799 Speaker 4: Antichrist might get sick, they might never get sick. 946 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,640 Speaker 3: I just think it's super suss. If you have a 947 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 3: child that is never sick, that ain't right. 948 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,600 Speaker 1: That ain't right. Uh huh. 949 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 3: Do you remember when we were kids and our parents 950 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 3: used to like force us to play with kids who 951 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 3: were sick, so we would get like chicken pox and shit. 952 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,160 Speaker 4: I think they still do that. Yeah, but like I 953 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 4: just remember people. 954 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,400 Speaker 3: Being like, you're sick, Oh well, go out in that 955 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 3: world and make it happen. 956 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I remember when when they would try to 957 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,479 Speaker 1: do these like chicken pox parties and stuff where people 958 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,719 Speaker 1: were like, let's get all the kids chicken pox now 959 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,160 Speaker 1: so we don't have to worry about it later. And 960 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's kind of fucked up. But you know what, 961 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 1: I get it. 962 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 4: You get it, I get it. 963 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,600 Speaker 3: But it's just it's weird how when we were kids, 964 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,120 Speaker 3: every illness was seen as something that was fortifying. 965 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, like we're gonna vultron you up over time. 966 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 3: And I'm like, you could still get it again, Like 967 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,920 Speaker 3: what the shit, dude, You're not fortifying anything. You're just 968 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,640 Speaker 3: getting us sick. Anyway, that's a whole other conversation. Then 969 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,640 Speaker 3: we're getting to my favorite one of one of my 970 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,719 Speaker 3: favorite scenes. I have two scenes in this movie that 971 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,759 Speaker 3: I absolutely love. Damien and his mom go to the 972 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,960 Speaker 3: zoo and it's a drive through zoo and shit pops 973 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 3: off so instantaneously as their car is traveling through the 974 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,400 Speaker 3: baboon enclosure. 975 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 4: They get fucking attacked. 976 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,640 Speaker 3: These baboons are like jumping on the car, they're scratching, 977 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:37,880 Speaker 3: they're freaking them out and with their big square mouths 978 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 3: and like they're just freaking the fuck out, and it 979 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,040 Speaker 3: is so funny how much she's like she just motors 980 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 3: out of there and she's like, I. 981 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,720 Speaker 4: Don't understand what's happening. When she gets home. 982 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 3: I think this is why this is my favorite scene, 983 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,120 Speaker 3: because when she gets. 984 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,719 Speaker 4: Home, Robert's like, oh, you're being really quiet, and. 985 00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,960 Speaker 3: She's like, I got run up on by fucking baboons. 986 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,120 Speaker 4: Like you would take a minute to digest that. 987 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,319 Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, that was a terrifying scene. I mean it 988 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,560 Speaker 1: was funny because you know, animals are yelling and stuff 989 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 1: at them, which just again I maybe there's something deeply 990 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 1: wrong with me that I laughed at this movie instead 991 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,440 Speaker 1: of being scared. But I was like, this is like 992 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,399 Speaker 1: the Odor of a Lonely Heart video up in here, 993 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,120 Speaker 1: Like the people are getting animals are like jumping on 994 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,960 Speaker 1: their backs and go with ape shit, literally ape shit, 995 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is the Antichrist. This is what 996 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,120 Speaker 1: he's doing. He's making all this shit happen. 997 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:35,399 Speaker 4: This is what he's doing. 998 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 3: And this is where finally the mom starts to be 999 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,359 Speaker 3: sus where she's like, something is not right. Every time 1000 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 3: I'm around this kid, something fucked happens. So Robert's still 1001 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,440 Speaker 3: in like a bit of denial, but Catherine's like, no, 1002 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 3: this kid is fucked. 1003 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,840 Speaker 4: I don't know what is wrong with him. And she 1004 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,080 Speaker 4: still thinks it's her own son. 1005 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like really confounding for her, but she's like, 1006 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,880 Speaker 3: all right, every time around this kid, now some shit happens. 1007 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,759 Speaker 3: But don't worry because Robert is gonna meet with this 1008 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,640 Speaker 3: priest again father Brennan. 1009 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:03,879 Speaker 4: Because Father Brennan. 1010 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,520 Speaker 3: Just very quickly is like you got to meet me 1011 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,480 Speaker 3: in this park or your wife is gonna die, and 1012 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,360 Speaker 3: like anyone would go and be like what are you 1013 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,359 Speaker 3: talking about? So then Father Brennan is like, all right, 1014 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,400 Speaker 3: you have to go to a town called Megadoo, in 1015 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,960 Speaker 3: a place called Jezreel where the fish swim backwards and 1016 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,239 Speaker 3: the clock strike seventeen. It's like all these steps involved, 1017 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,800 Speaker 3: and he's like, by the way, your wife is pregnant 1018 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:31,280 Speaker 3: and Damien is gonna kill all y'all, but don't worry 1019 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,680 Speaker 3: because if you go to this town and do this 1020 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:39,359 Speaker 3: ritual and get these fucking tools you can kill him, 1021 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,120 Speaker 3: but his whole thing is basically like you got to 1022 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,839 Speaker 3: kill your own son. And Robert's like, I don't want 1023 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 3: to kill my own son. He's like he's not a child, 1024 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:47,919 Speaker 3: He's a fucking antichrist. 1025 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 4: Like you got to kill him. I know you think 1026 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 4: of him as your son, but he ain't. He ain't 1027 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,160 Speaker 4: your son. But that whole scene is fucking hilarious because 1028 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,479 Speaker 4: it's just this like sweaty priest being like, all. 1029 00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,680 Speaker 3: Right, at the strike of twelve, you have to dance 1030 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,120 Speaker 3: back words and turn around three times and then impale 1031 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,200 Speaker 3: your child. It's like so many steps to get rid 1032 00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:08,720 Speaker 3: of the Antichrist. 1033 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, these priests are out here saying the wildest shit 1034 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,360 Speaker 1: all throughout this entire movie. This is like if a 1035 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,600 Speaker 1: priest is in the frame, you know he's about to 1036 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:17,280 Speaker 1: say something. 1037 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,920 Speaker 3: Wild absolute or get killed, because almost immediately there's like 1038 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,440 Speaker 3: a small wind storm, like a freak windstorm, and Brennan 1039 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,719 Speaker 3: is impaled by a church steeple standing up. 1040 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,480 Speaker 4: It is fucking hilarious. 1041 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,360 Speaker 1: That is like one of my favorite things in like 1042 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,719 Speaker 1: horror movies is when somebody who gives a lot of 1043 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,399 Speaker 1: important information immediately dies afterwards. 1044 00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:44,640 Speaker 4: I love it. 1045 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,359 Speaker 1: It's so funny to me. Love They do it all 1046 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,640 Speaker 1: the time in horror movies, and I'm like, yep, good 1047 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,800 Speaker 1: thing he got all that info out because he literally 1048 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:52,440 Speaker 1: got paled. 1049 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,280 Speaker 4: And they do it twice in this movie. 1050 00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,440 Speaker 3: They do it twice in this movie, so they basically 1051 00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,480 Speaker 3: Catherine reveals that she is in fact pregnant, and without 1052 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,839 Speaker 3: even knowing that her kid is the Antichrist, She's like, yo, 1053 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 3: I gotta have an abortion. I can't be having another 1054 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,440 Speaker 3: kid if this is what they're like, yeah, Like, I 1055 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,440 Speaker 3: can't do this shit. And Damien's like, no problem, let 1056 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:15,920 Speaker 3: me help you, and he tries to kill her with 1057 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,000 Speaker 3: his tricycle. She's like on a stool trying to do 1058 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,200 Speaker 3: something and he runs into her and like pops her 1059 00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 3: over a banister and she falls to the ground. 1060 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,000 Speaker 1: That's why you don't have hanging plants right along the 1061 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,120 Speaker 1: edge of a railing. That's what I think she was doing, 1062 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,680 Speaker 1: right She's like watering a plant was a planet? Are 1063 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,280 Speaker 1: you doing right now? He's coming through, like fucking Danny 1064 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,440 Speaker 1: from the shining. 1065 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,560 Speaker 4: Exactly on the lookout, like I'm the hunt for his mom. 1066 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,120 Speaker 4: It doesn't slow down at all. 1067 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,120 Speaker 3: But she's like holding on and trying not to fall, 1068 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,000 Speaker 3: and he just like gets off his tricycle and looks 1069 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:56,759 Speaker 3: at her hands and is like bye, it's almost worse 1070 00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,960 Speaker 3: that he does nothing, Like he doesn't try to like 1071 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,719 Speaker 3: peel her fingers or like hoist her up. 1072 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,800 Speaker 4: He just sits there, looks at her like, oh, well, 1073 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,759 Speaker 4: look at your life now, and she. 1074 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,640 Speaker 3: Just falls to the ground. It's like so creepy and hilarious. 1075 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Oh totally like you're right about him 1076 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,200 Speaker 1: doing nothing being worse than him, like taking her grippy 1077 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,320 Speaker 1: fingers and like pull up, pull you on. It's like, 1078 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit here and wait till you falla. 1079 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you do it. I'm gonna let you 1080 00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 1: do yourself. 1081 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,880 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm gonna let gravity take care of you. 1082 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:33,480 Speaker 4: How about that? Me and gravity are tight? Oh god? 1083 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,120 Speaker 3: And then then we get to meet because you know 1084 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,959 Speaker 3: this is all happening, And then we get to meet 1085 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,600 Speaker 3: the photographer. The photographer is played by David Warner. His 1086 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,360 Speaker 3: name is Jennings, and Robert and Jennings meet up and 1087 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,400 Speaker 3: the Jennings has put it all together. He's like, I've 1088 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,320 Speaker 3: been taking pictures all over this fucking city with the 1089 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,000 Speaker 3: about you and your family, and there are shadows in 1090 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,240 Speaker 3: all of these pictures forecasting a bunch of deaths, so 1091 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,560 Speaker 3: like that when the priest was mpaled, there's a shadow 1092 00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,440 Speaker 3: of a spike going through him and he's like, oh, 1093 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,200 Speaker 3: by the way, that priest has sixty sixty six marks 1094 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,880 Speaker 3: on his inner thigh, and he covered his room with 1095 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,760 Speaker 3: pages of the Bible, and he had forty seven crosses 1096 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,680 Speaker 3: because he was trying to keep something out. He also 1097 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,240 Speaker 3: kept a diary about you and your kid was born 1098 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:19,040 Speaker 3: on six six six. 1099 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,240 Speaker 4: Oh, And I'm I'm in this. 1100 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,600 Speaker 3: The reason I'm involved in this is because I also 1101 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,320 Speaker 3: have a spike of death photo of myself too. 1102 00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:32,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was wild, because I gotta admit the ramp 1103 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,120 Speaker 1: up to this was a little confusing. I'm like, why 1104 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,920 Speaker 1: is he like looking at what's he looking at these photographs? 1105 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,280 Speaker 1: I felt like I was in that, yeah, ANTONIONI movie 1106 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,720 Speaker 1: blow up. I'm like, why is he developing photos? And 1107 00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,480 Speaker 1: then he's like look scratching him and looking at I 1108 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,840 Speaker 1: was like, what is this shit? And then I realized, Oh, 1109 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,360 Speaker 1: it's because there's like Antichrist messaging in these photographs. 1110 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:54,280 Speaker 4: In the pic. 1111 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,840 Speaker 3: It's in the Devil is in the details. Yeah, Jit, 1112 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,320 Speaker 3: and I just also disappreciate that everyone in this movie 1113 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,000 Speaker 3: who has any information to impart about Damien has to 1114 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,880 Speaker 3: give it in paragraph forms. It's never just like that 1115 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,520 Speaker 3: kid's weird. It's like he's weird. He has a fucking tattoo. 1116 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 3: You should look at this. Also that also this, also that, 1117 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,440 Speaker 3: like they're just like NonStop font of informations about that. 1118 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,840 Speaker 3: Like they're never just like a single fact about Damien. 1119 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,480 Speaker 3: It's just like, here's all this shit about Damien. 1120 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,680 Speaker 1: There's levels to this Antichrist shit, for sure. I mean 1121 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,520 Speaker 1: it's like it's a lot of information going down. 1122 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,000 Speaker 4: And there needs to be. Because they're about to go 1123 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,120 Speaker 4: back to Italy. 1124 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,680 Speaker 3: The house staff quits, so only Baylock is left with Damien, 1125 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,720 Speaker 3: which is fine by her, and mom's in the hospital, 1126 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,360 Speaker 3: so he and Jennings go to Italy to find out 1127 00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,520 Speaker 3: more about Damien. And let me tell you, what they 1128 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,560 Speaker 3: find out is super chill. As you can imagine, things like, oh, 1129 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,080 Speaker 3: the hospital he was in burnt down the night he 1130 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,320 Speaker 3: was born, and there was never any record of an 1131 00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:57,120 Speaker 3: adoption here. 1132 00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,920 Speaker 4: Oh but here, but here's a creepy old church. 1133 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,440 Speaker 3: With some Star Wars CIDs in hoods and a silent, 1134 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:09,400 Speaker 3: half melted priest who facilitated the adoption. He's just been 1135 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,040 Speaker 3: sitting here, melted ever since it happened, ever since he 1136 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,000 Speaker 3: gave you this baby. He's just been sitting here, melted 1137 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,720 Speaker 3: and mute and like scrawling on the goddamn like using 1138 01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,280 Speaker 3: some fucking sidewalk shalk to communicate with us every once 1139 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:22,840 Speaker 3: in a while. 1140 01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,520 Speaker 1: I was like, they are in the seventies, right, Like 1141 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:31,919 Speaker 1: does he need to use like charcoal on a rock? 1142 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,760 Speaker 1: Like I'm like, there's got to be paper in a monastery, 1143 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,480 Speaker 1: even if it's in the fucking woods or whatever, like a. 1144 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:46,200 Speaker 3: Squirrel fucking roll, Like, please whip out a scroll for 1145 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:50,840 Speaker 3: this man. He's been through enough. And no, they're letting 1146 01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,400 Speaker 3: him fucking charcoal it onto the goddamn earth. And then 1147 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,240 Speaker 3: they're like, we actually don't even know what the fuck 1148 01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,760 Speaker 3: it says because the man is melted. We don't know 1149 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,120 Speaker 3: what he's saying, because he doesn't know what he's saying 1150 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,440 Speaker 3: because he is melted in this fire that was probably 1151 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,000 Speaker 3: caused by your antichrist. 1152 01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:09,480 Speaker 4: Baby. 1153 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,760 Speaker 1: He was in there sizzling to see while all the 1154 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:18,320 Speaker 1: records are just burning up nobody. There's no digital documents, 1155 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,760 Speaker 1: of course, and I think it's like in paper, so 1156 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,040 Speaker 1: no proof, no proof of any of this happening, of course. 1157 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:25,520 Speaker 4: No proof at all. 1158 01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,800 Speaker 3: And then you know, Richard or Robert and the and 1159 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,960 Speaker 3: Jennings are like, all right, it's cool, let's go. I 1160 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,320 Speaker 3: think the kind of information that we kind of got 1161 01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:38,160 Speaker 3: from this guy is that Damien's real mom is buried somewhere, 1162 01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,320 Speaker 3: So let's go to that cemetery real. 1163 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:42,400 Speaker 1: Quick, oh lord. 1164 01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:47,760 Speaker 3: And they do go to the cemetery where his mother's 1165 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,400 Speaker 3: supposed to be, and they pop open that grave and 1166 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,680 Speaker 3: it's filled with animal bones. But then for some reason, 1167 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,560 Speaker 3: his baby that died in birth is also buried right 1168 01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,600 Speaker 3: next to her, and so he gets real excited, like 1169 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,280 Speaker 3: maybe there's animal bones in this too, and maybe that 1170 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,080 Speaker 3: means my son's alive somewhere. No, instead, when he finds 1171 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,920 Speaker 3: out is his fucking tiny baby was murdered because his 1172 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,440 Speaker 3: skull has a big hole in it, like somebody caved 1173 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,320 Speaker 3: in that kid's head so they could give him Damien. 1174 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,800 Speaker 3: So now he's starting to put it together and he's 1175 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:25,800 Speaker 3: like fuck, like this kid might actually be the Antichrist, 1176 01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,240 Speaker 3: but not so fast, because first we have to have 1177 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,840 Speaker 3: a bunch of hell hounds come out of nowhere and 1178 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,680 Speaker 3: attack you all in this fucking cemetery. 1179 01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,160 Speaker 1: That cemetery was so fakey fake. I was like, this 1180 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,800 Speaker 1: is like a genreland movie. Like there's like all these 1181 01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:44,280 Speaker 1: giant dogs, like breathing, snarling. It looks like, you know, 1182 01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:49,640 Speaker 1: Dracula's Castle back here, there's like smoke, and you know 1183 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,520 Speaker 1: we're and I'm like, it's these fucking dogs again, these 1184 01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,720 Speaker 1: like Italian dogs. 1185 01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,560 Speaker 4: And they're here to cause some damage. They're like, we 1186 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:00,520 Speaker 4: will eat you up. 1187 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,840 Speaker 3: We will eat your whole life up, just in case 1188 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,600 Speaker 3: you got it twisted. We will eat the bones of 1189 01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,560 Speaker 3: your baby. We will eat like you left that grave open, 1190 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,480 Speaker 3: We're hopping in it. We're gonna chomp on them bones, 1191 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,720 Speaker 3: like we are here to make this as devastating as 1192 01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:15,440 Speaker 3: possible for you. 1193 01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,120 Speaker 4: Have you ever well, go ahead, I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, 1194 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:19,800 Speaker 4: you go ahead. 1195 01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm having a flashback. Have you ever snuck into a 1196 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,640 Speaker 1: graveyard before? Just out of curiosity? 1197 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,560 Speaker 4: But yes, but not like this. 1198 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:32,480 Speaker 1: Were there ever giant dogs that were eating people's flesh? 1199 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,520 Speaker 1: Doesn't like that's a common thing in horror movies. Too, 1200 01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:38,040 Speaker 1: where it's like dogs are like protecting a graveyard and 1201 01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, I've never seen a dog in a graveyard ever. 1202 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,640 Speaker 3: No, Like I've seen like a deer and a rabbit 1203 01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:47,760 Speaker 3: in a fucking graveyard. I've never seen a hell hound 1204 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:53,320 Speaker 3: in a fucking graveyard. It isn't happen in Italians and 1205 01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,240 Speaker 3: sneak it into a graveyard. The only thing scary about 1206 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,120 Speaker 3: it is like your own heartbeat and your own dumb 1207 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,720 Speaker 3: decision that you immediately regret. 1208 01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:03,760 Speaker 4: Like, what am I going to get out of this? 1209 01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,840 Speaker 3: I'm looking at old stones like I'm not even conjuring anything, 1210 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,240 Speaker 3: Like I'm just walking through an old grape in my case, 1211 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,640 Speaker 3: like I'm just walking through a fucking graveyard at night? 1212 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, what am I getting out of this? 1213 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,280 Speaker 3: Although I will say I had a very very cool 1214 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,240 Speaker 3: experience in a graveyard when I lived in New York. 1215 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,480 Speaker 3: There's a graveyard in Brooklyn. It's very well known and 1216 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:27,040 Speaker 3: they do this night of like or you know, every 1217 01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:28,919 Speaker 3: once in a while somebody will do an event there. 1218 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,800 Speaker 3: And Atlas Obscura did this event that was like the 1219 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,160 Speaker 3: sun Raw Orchestra played inside of a crypt and. 1220 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,720 Speaker 4: Like shit like that. It was really cool whoa, it 1221 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:38,440 Speaker 4: was red. 1222 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,160 Speaker 3: But other than that, if you're not here in the sun, 1223 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,920 Speaker 3: raw orchestra fucking play in a crypt, you gotta be 1224 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,680 Speaker 3: in a graveyard at night and there's no dogs. 1225 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. I stuck into a graveyard once too, and I 1226 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,520 Speaker 1: don't remember shit about it. We were there for maybe 1227 01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,200 Speaker 1: five minutes before we saw like the fucking night cop 1228 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,440 Speaker 1: and then we all scattered like a bunch of idiots, 1229 01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,360 Speaker 1: and I jumped over a wall and didn't realize that 1230 01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,040 Speaker 1: the wall was the sidewalk out, so I fell on 1231 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,520 Speaker 1: my ass. I basically jumped over a wall and then 1232 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,240 Speaker 1: landed flat on my ass, and it was just like, Okay, 1233 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,720 Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. Like, and the gate was open. I 1234 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,560 Speaker 1: could have just walked through the gate, but I decided 1235 01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:15,480 Speaker 1: to jump over the wall. 1236 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,800 Speaker 4: That's the thing, like when I when I say I've 1237 01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,160 Speaker 4: snuck into a graveyard. I just walked in at night. 1238 01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,320 Speaker 4: Like the gate was not locked at all. So I 1239 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,480 Speaker 4: just walked in and was like no and left. 1240 01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:28,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why I thought to jump over 1241 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,440 Speaker 1: the wall because and the fact that I wasn't like 1242 01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,760 Speaker 1: Lee Remick in the hospital with her body cast, her 1243 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:39,000 Speaker 1: arm cast is a miracle I must have done some 1244 01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,800 Speaker 1: bear grill shit where I just like rolled onto the 1245 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,320 Speaker 1: parking lot because I was like, yo, that was pretty 1246 01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,400 Speaker 1: far down. I could have, you know, had a fucking 1247 01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,800 Speaker 1: full body cast, but I guess not. I was young 1248 01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,200 Speaker 1: and I survived baby anyway. 1249 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:54,240 Speaker 3: And then he. 1250 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,840 Speaker 4: Saw the gate just creaking. 1251 01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:56,280 Speaker 3: Oh. 1252 01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,000 Speaker 1: My friends were like, we just walked through the gate. 1253 01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,040 Speaker 3: You're stupid because you watched too many goddamn movies. That's 1254 01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,840 Speaker 3: why you wrote this book, and that's why you jumped 1255 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,280 Speaker 3: over the wall. And look, Lee Remick's gotta go like 1256 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,880 Speaker 3: Baylock comes back to finish fucking job and kill Mama, 1257 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,120 Speaker 3: pushes it out of the goddamn hospital window. And this 1258 01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,880 Speaker 3: is finally the thing that gets Pops Robert to finally 1259 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:17,600 Speaker 3: be like, Okay, this. 1260 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,480 Speaker 4: Kid's gotta die. 1261 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,960 Speaker 3: So there, I don't want to ruin too much about 1262 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,040 Speaker 3: the end of the movie. There is one more incredibly 1263 01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:29,960 Speaker 3: cool death scene that is a hilarious, hilarious, And then 1264 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,400 Speaker 3: Peck gets on a plane. Gregory Peck gets on a 1265 01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,520 Speaker 3: plane with a rolled up parcel of ancient knives. Remember 1266 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,040 Speaker 3: when you could just get on a plane with a 1267 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:38,880 Speaker 3: rolled up parcel of ancient knives? 1268 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,840 Speaker 1: Oh God, and you were in love, you were in luxury. 1269 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,120 Speaker 1: Not only did you have knives on the plane, but 1270 01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:50,560 Speaker 1: you were in a luxurious experience exactly. 1271 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,520 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's like eating lobster and cutting it with like, 1272 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,160 Speaker 3: you know, like one of those like crooked stone knives. 1273 01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,680 Speaker 4: It's like wavy, like a wavy stone. 1274 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,080 Speaker 3: Knife, and he's like, I'm gonna cut it with this 1275 01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:05,840 Speaker 3: fucking megadoo knife shit before I stab it into my son's. 1276 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:12,840 Speaker 4: Anti Christ's son's heart. But the end of this movie 1277 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:13,880 Speaker 4: is goddamn wild. 1278 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,640 Speaker 3: I could talk about it forever, but I'm not going 1279 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,200 Speaker 3: to ruin it because I'm sure there are people out 1280 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,120 Speaker 3: there who haven't seen it. 1281 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,840 Speaker 4: I just think Halloween's coming up. This is a classique. 1282 01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:26,800 Speaker 3: Damien is a very latent killer kid because he's got 1283 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,040 Speaker 3: everyone else out there killing for him, which is, you. 1284 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,560 Speaker 4: Know, that's a that's a boss. 1285 01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:36,360 Speaker 1: That's still that's still killing's killing. He's getting he's programming 1286 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,320 Speaker 1: people and animals to do his bidding. That's still killing. 1287 01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:40,360 Speaker 4: It's still killing. 1288 01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, his own family, like first he killed that baby, 1289 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,520 Speaker 3: then he killed his mom. Like he's just out here 1290 01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,320 Speaker 3: just encouraging people to die, which is that's fucking boss. 1291 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,120 Speaker 4: Moves right there for a kid. 1292 01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,840 Speaker 1: Exactly if I was six years old. I don't know 1293 01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,360 Speaker 1: how old he is, the six four, five or six, 1294 01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,040 Speaker 1: I'd be like, I doing shit, y'all are gonna get 1295 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:04,000 Speaker 1: your hands dirty. 1296 01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,400 Speaker 4: Not me. I'm just super innocent. And he doesn't even speak. 1297 01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:08,480 Speaker 4: He doesn't even speak. 1298 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,800 Speaker 1: Anytime he does, it's like hello, Mammy, hell a y 1299 01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:16,360 Speaker 1: Like it's this creepy, fucking like weird British kid. 1300 01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,640 Speaker 4: I don't want to go, Mammy. 1301 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,280 Speaker 3: I don't want to go. We got some creepy kid 1302 01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,840 Speaker 3: voices coming up in your movie too. But I gotta say, 1303 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,120 Speaker 3: this one's a fucking classic. 1304 01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:29,439 Speaker 4: It is good fun. 1305 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,840 Speaker 3: Do not look at this movie if you're like I 1306 01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,679 Speaker 3: would like to watch the greatest horror film of all time. 1307 01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:39,599 Speaker 4: You want to look at at a nicely aged Gregory Peck. 1308 01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:46,320 Speaker 3: You want to look at this kid just doing evils 1309 01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,360 Speaker 3: weird dogs like. That's what you want to get into 1310 01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,800 Speaker 3: this for is put it on, laugh and have fun 1311 01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:53,480 Speaker 3: with it because it is a riot. 1312 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:58,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god, such a classic, so funny. I think 1313 01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,080 Speaker 1: it's hilarious. I'm like Beatle Juice when beatlejew says he's 1314 01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,680 Speaker 1: seen the extorsiest one. Hundred and sixty seven times and 1315 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,960 Speaker 1: it keeps getting funnier. That's me with the omen like, 1316 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I'm not scared of any of this. 1317 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,360 Speaker 1: I should be because I was scared of the Exorcist, 1318 01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,880 Speaker 1: and you know, Catholicism shit is weird. But I'm like, 1319 01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,160 Speaker 1: this is Pound for Palin one of the funniest movies 1320 01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,760 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. It's so over the top, so stylish. 1321 01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:26,040 Speaker 1: That music cracks me up. Anytime it kicks in, I 1322 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,320 Speaker 1: start laughing. It's so good. I love this movie. 1323 01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:30,920 Speaker 4: I love it. 1324 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:31,920 Speaker 1: It's so funny. 1325 01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,559 Speaker 4: Oh good, it's so good. It's so good. 1326 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,160 Speaker 3: And I feel the same way about yours, and that 1327 01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,560 Speaker 3: as a child, when I first saw this movie, it 1328 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:41,880 Speaker 3: scared the shit at of me. 1329 01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,040 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I have not laughed this much in a 1330 01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:46,040 Speaker 4: long ass time. 1331 01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:47,080 Speaker 3: Dude. 1332 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:53,200 Speaker 1: When it gets there, it delivers in such a good 1333 01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:54,160 Speaker 1: fucking way. 1334 01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,160 Speaker 4: Like, just get us into it, get us so. 1335 01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,280 Speaker 1: My movie for the theme of killer kid movies is 1336 01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:05,000 Speaker 1: a movie from nineteen eighty nine written by Stephen King, 1337 01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,240 Speaker 1: directed by Mary Lambert, and it's called pet Cemetery. 1338 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:11,360 Speaker 4: Is anyone ever buried a person up there? 1339 01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,160 Speaker 3: You were thinking thoughts, especially on. 1340 01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,080 Speaker 1: Voto, I got no time to Dilley Deally, Okay. Like 1341 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,760 Speaker 1: bottom line, Like, we've discussed many Stephen King movies on 1342 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,400 Speaker 1: this pod, right, We've done Graveyard Shift, The Shining Misery. 1343 01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:28,000 Speaker 1: We're adding this one to the list finally because it 1344 01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:33,120 Speaker 1: was my entry into Stephen King personally. I've seen this 1345 01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:39,519 Speaker 1: movie countless times. Countless my sister and I we haven't 1346 01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:45,160 Speaker 1: basically memorized from childhood, Okay, Like, I've seen this movie 1347 01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,320 Speaker 1: so many times, it's ridiculous. And like again, it was 1348 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,720 Speaker 1: how I realized who Stephen King was. I mean, I'm 1349 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,120 Speaker 1: sure I probably had some knowledge of him before this, 1350 01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,960 Speaker 1: but this was the movie where I really like began 1351 01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:04,000 Speaker 1: to understand his world and his whole thing. And I 1352 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:07,000 Speaker 1: did not read the book. But it's okay to do both, 1353 01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:08,920 Speaker 1: am I right? It's both? 1354 01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,280 Speaker 4: So all right. 1355 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:15,679 Speaker 1: A one sentence synopsis of pet Cemetery. A young family 1356 01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,920 Speaker 1: moves to rural Maine and experiences a family tragedy that 1357 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,880 Speaker 1: triggers a grieving father to make a horrible decision. 1358 01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,240 Speaker 4: So absolutely, this. 1359 01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:32,759 Speaker 1: Family we're talking about is this family called the Creeds, Okay, 1360 01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:37,200 Speaker 1: and they are a doctor named Lewis who is played 1361 01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:42,920 Speaker 1: by the very hunky Dale Midkiff hunky. He's like a 1362 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:46,400 Speaker 1: soap opera star. In this film, you've got the mother 1363 01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:51,920 Speaker 1: named Rachel. She's played by Denise Crosby of Miracle Mile Fame. 1364 01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:57,719 Speaker 1: The sister is Ellie and she's played by Blaize Birdall 1365 01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,400 Speaker 1: and apparently her twin sister. They were twins and they 1366 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:01,599 Speaker 1: both acted in the film. 1367 01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:02,360 Speaker 4: Nice. 1368 01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:09,519 Speaker 1: And the star of the show the toddler Gage, who 1369 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,240 Speaker 1: was played by Miko Hughes, who is actually a very 1370 01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,840 Speaker 1: famous child actor because if you don't know him by name, 1371 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,400 Speaker 1: you'll know him because he was the little kid in 1372 01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,920 Speaker 1: kindergarten cop who says boys have a penis and girls 1373 01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:23,639 Speaker 1: have a vagina. 1374 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:31,280 Speaker 3: Boys have a penish, girls half of v vagina. Thanks 1375 01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:39,400 Speaker 3: for the tip. Same kid, absolute legend, legend before he 1376 01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,160 Speaker 3: was even seven years old. 1377 01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and he was three years old in this movie, 1378 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,880 Speaker 1: by the way, three years old. I'm gonna get back 1379 01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,040 Speaker 1: to that point in a second. But then you have 1380 01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:54,880 Speaker 1: the actual real star of the show for me is 1381 01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:59,080 Speaker 1: the Gray family cat named Winston Churchill who goes by 1382 01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:03,320 Speaker 1: church for sure. Okay, so this is the family that 1383 01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:08,200 Speaker 1: has moved to Maine. Okay, they actually moved from Chicago. Okay, 1384 01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,720 Speaker 1: And legit, this is the third movie I think we've 1385 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,679 Speaker 1: discussed on this podcast where somebody moves from Chicago. 1386 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:16,040 Speaker 4: Did you know that? 1387 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:22,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, footloose disturbing behavior. There's probably others. Why is everybody 1388 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,160 Speaker 1: in the movies moving from Chicago? I don't know why. 1389 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,000 Speaker 4: And all these horror movies, they're like, let's me make 1390 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:27,639 Speaker 4: at Chicago. 1391 01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Creeds have just moved from Chicago. On 1392 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,400 Speaker 1: the first day, they show up to this beautiful like 1393 01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,439 Speaker 1: old country style house, like on a country road or whatever, 1394 01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,360 Speaker 1: and they meet there across the street neighbor. He's this 1395 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:44,760 Speaker 1: old school main guy. His name is jud Crandall and 1396 01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:49,000 Speaker 1: he's played by Herman Munster himself, Fred Gwynn. Okay, And 1397 01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,320 Speaker 1: the first thing they noticed about their new house, okay, 1398 01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:57,320 Speaker 1: is that there are giant eighteen wheeler trucks that are 1399 01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,960 Speaker 1: just barreling down the road at top speed in front of. 1400 01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:03,719 Speaker 4: The Okay, we got to talk about this for a second, right. 1401 01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you particularly because I feel like, 1402 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,880 Speaker 1: again I don't know why I've never been to your town, 1403 01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,360 Speaker 1: but I feel like it's sort of like this, right, 1404 01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,080 Speaker 1: It's like in this area of the world, and I'm like, 1405 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,439 Speaker 1: are eighteen wheeler trucks coming through Danielle's street like this? 1406 01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:18,760 Speaker 1: Like what is up with this? 1407 01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,200 Speaker 3: No? And that's the thing, Like this is a county 1408 01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,439 Speaker 3: road that they're on. It has to be, because you 1409 01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,839 Speaker 3: wouldn't have an eighteen wheeler just cruising down. 1410 01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,439 Speaker 4: Like a regular street like this. 1411 01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, out in these parts, So this is a county 1412 01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,320 Speaker 3: road and as such, because it's a county road. 1413 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,599 Speaker 4: And this is where I bring maybe too much realism 1414 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:37,000 Speaker 4: into this. 1415 01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:40,080 Speaker 3: I feel like there is a duty that that town 1416 01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,920 Speaker 3: or city has to putting up signs and guard rails 1417 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:48,360 Speaker 3: and all kinds of shit that is completely missing, Yeah, 1418 01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:49,800 Speaker 3: from this situation. 1419 01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:54,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is so intense at the speed which these 1420 01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,240 Speaker 1: trucks are coming down this road where like old men 1421 01:14:58,439 --> 01:14:59,280 Speaker 1: and babies live. 1422 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:04,040 Speaker 3: It's crazy and animals just animals, old men, babies, And 1423 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,400 Speaker 3: they're like, we are gonna go ninety and we will 1424 01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:07,080 Speaker 3: let you do that. 1425 01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,439 Speaker 1: And we're gonna blast the ramones when we're cruising through. 1426 01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:16,200 Speaker 1: Like no, no fucking judgments of these people, right, So, 1427 01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:21,360 Speaker 1: like Rachel immediately is like, jud what's this trail that's 1428 01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,120 Speaker 1: next to the house, Like do you know where it 1429 01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,840 Speaker 1: goes and eventually he tells them it's the neighborhood pet 1430 01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,439 Speaker 1: cemetery because all the pets have been squashed by these 1431 01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:34,200 Speaker 1: eighteen wheeler trucks. Like this is a problem in the area. Okay. 1432 01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:39,080 Speaker 1: So cut to Lewis is at his first day of 1433 01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,360 Speaker 1: work and he's the you know, the doctor at the 1434 01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:45,280 Speaker 1: like local university clinic, and his right at the gate, 1435 01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:50,160 Speaker 1: he's got a guy that was jogging and hit by 1436 01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:55,080 Speaker 1: one of the trucks and he dies, like he has 1437 01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,080 Speaker 1: a traumatic brain injury and he dies. Okay, this is 1438 01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:04,920 Speaker 1: on Louis's first days and after he passes, the patient 1439 01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,400 Speaker 1: is named Victor Pascal. By the way, Pascal comes back 1440 01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:13,040 Speaker 1: to life like in a sudden, you know, reanimation moment, 1441 01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:18,599 Speaker 1: and he tells Louis don't bury anything in the area 1442 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:22,840 Speaker 1: that goes past the pet cemetery because it's a haunted 1443 01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,880 Speaker 1: Native American burial site where the ground is sour as 1444 01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,880 Speaker 1: he said, or cursed. Okay, so there's a lot of 1445 01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,519 Speaker 1: information for Lewis. On his first day. He's like, there's 1446 01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,880 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff going on here, you know, I 1447 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,200 Speaker 1: just had my literally my first patient die on me. 1448 01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:40,599 Speaker 1: And then he's telling me all this stuff. 1449 01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:45,920 Speaker 3: Can you imagine having your last breath be in a detailed, 1450 01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,560 Speaker 3: intricate story about local lore. 1451 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,400 Speaker 1: To a stranger. 1452 01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:54,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, tell my mom my, lover. 1453 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,920 Speaker 3: It's like, ps, if you go past behind the building 1454 01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,840 Speaker 3: of where the kmart used to be, there a bunch 1455 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:05,080 Speaker 3: of old bottles of boons buried under the pavement. 1456 01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:06,680 Speaker 4: Goodbye. 1457 01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,519 Speaker 1: What a waste of time. No, I'm kidding. 1458 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,559 Speaker 4: This story is like five minutes long. Like he use 1459 01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,600 Speaker 4: that time in a very different way. Oh I know. 1460 01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,880 Speaker 1: And like, here's the thing about Pascal. Okay, Pascal used 1461 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,919 Speaker 1: to terrify the shit out of me as a kid. 1462 01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:26,800 Speaker 1: Because you're watching this guy's with with half of his 1463 01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:32,720 Speaker 1: brain missing, like basically follow the creeds around like a ghost, right, 1464 01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,320 Speaker 1: Like he's like he's basically like a good, good ghost 1465 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,520 Speaker 1: or something. He's kind of like warding them and protecting 1466 01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:39,240 Speaker 1: them or whatever. 1467 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:41,200 Speaker 4: But he's gross. 1468 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,120 Speaker 1: His eyes are like all white and out. He's got 1469 01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:49,479 Speaker 1: like veins popping out every fucking poor and he's got 1470 01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:51,400 Speaker 1: this like tiny little running shorts on. I'm like, this 1471 01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:56,800 Speaker 1: is gross. Like can an angel clean up a little bit? 1472 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,000 Speaker 1: Like do we need does he need to go immediately 1473 01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,479 Speaker 1: from the fucking at bottom end of a tire to 1474 01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,360 Speaker 1: like give him a moment to fucking put on a 1475 01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:07,559 Speaker 1: different shirt or something. 1476 01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:07,920 Speaker 4: I don't know. 1477 01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,280 Speaker 1: It was ter a hat to me, put a hat on, 1478 01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,000 Speaker 1: put a hat on. I was I never understood, Like 1479 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,760 Speaker 1: I was like I thought he was actually a bad 1480 01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,240 Speaker 1: guy when I was a kid, because I was like, 1481 01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,640 Speaker 1: he's too scary to be a good guy. Yeah, but 1482 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,519 Speaker 1: then later I figured out, oh, he's doing all the 1483 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,200 Speaker 1: good stuff. But you know it's just the packaging is 1484 01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:24,880 Speaker 1: totally fucked here with. 1485 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,120 Speaker 4: Past packaging is rough. 1486 01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,320 Speaker 3: And also and this viewing, I gotta say I found 1487 01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,960 Speaker 3: Pascal a little annoying where I'm like, they're not listening 1488 01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,200 Speaker 3: to you, man, Like this guy is not listening to you. 1489 01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,559 Speaker 3: Just go You've done your duty. You tried to warn him, 1490 01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,639 Speaker 3: go fly into the heavens. Like it was a little 1491 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:42,599 Speaker 3: annoying to me that I'm like, he's you just keep 1492 01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,400 Speaker 3: showing up and freaking me out, and this dude is 1493 01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:46,479 Speaker 3: not listening to you. 1494 01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,320 Speaker 1: I know, he could have been funny like Griffin Dunne 1495 01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,559 Speaker 1: in like American Werewolf in London. I'm just like, yeah, 1496 01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, he had to be like creepy with a 1497 01:18:54,360 --> 01:19:01,040 Speaker 1: creepy voice, and you know it was just I mean, anyway, 1498 01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,599 Speaker 1: I had a lot to process about Pascal, and I've 1499 01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,320 Speaker 1: gone to a place where I'm now I'm okay with it. 1500 01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,200 Speaker 1: Now I'm like, okay, he's fine. But at the time, 1501 01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,840 Speaker 1: as a little kid, I was fucking freaked out by him. 1502 01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:16,680 Speaker 1: So predictably, one day, Judd calls up Lewis and says, Hey, 1503 01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,760 Speaker 1: guess what I think Church the cat got hit by 1504 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:23,000 Speaker 1: a truck because he's laying in my fucking yard. 1505 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,480 Speaker 4: Because I'm looking at his dead body. 1506 01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:30,920 Speaker 1: And there are trucks killing literally everybody and everything, and 1507 01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,360 Speaker 1: there's no nobody from the city has come down to 1508 01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,519 Speaker 1: investigate any of it. We're just out here killing lots 1509 01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:41,559 Speaker 1: of things with these trucks. So, you know, Ellie the 1510 01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:47,480 Speaker 1: daughter is like super attached to this cat, and jud decides, 1511 01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:51,000 Speaker 1: I guess he makes the executive decision to go grab 1512 01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,400 Speaker 1: a couple of shovels and is like, come with me, Lewis, 1513 01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:56,439 Speaker 1: let's go. He puts the cat in a garbage bag 1514 01:19:56,439 --> 01:20:01,679 Speaker 1: and they go past the pet cemetery. Pascal just told 1515 01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:02,639 Speaker 1: him not to go. 1516 01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,040 Speaker 3: He just said it, and also like he's doing this 1517 01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,000 Speaker 3: while his whole family's in Chicago visiting people, and like 1518 01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:09,720 Speaker 3: he needs a babysitter. 1519 01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,080 Speaker 4: This is a grown man who needs to be watched 1520 01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,840 Speaker 4: before he starts making these decisions. Like he just said, 1521 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,719 Speaker 4: don't go past the pet cemetery. Here comes Fred Gwynn 1522 01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,479 Speaker 4: with these shovels and he's like, yeah, cool, let's forget 1523 01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:21,840 Speaker 4: that horror show I just saw. 1524 01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and jud takes him to the haunted burial ground 1525 01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,719 Speaker 1: and he's just like, yo, bury this cat here. Literally 1526 01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,360 Speaker 1: no other information to follow, It's just like, bury him here. 1527 01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,880 Speaker 1: Why we just And then the the funny thing is 1528 01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,879 Speaker 1: that they keep hiking further and further into the woods, 1529 01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,639 Speaker 1: and Jud, who is an old ass man who smokes 1530 01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,080 Speaker 1: cigarettes every five seconds, it is like, yo, what's up? 1531 01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,479 Speaker 1: Keep up with me? Why why are you tired? Like 1532 01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:52,040 Speaker 1: scale this rock formation? Like fucking do some parkour here 1533 01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:55,960 Speaker 1: on these branches, dude, Like you're fucking too slow. 1534 01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:56,960 Speaker 4: You city boys. 1535 01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:00,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, it was wild, but it was literally 1536 01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:01,760 Speaker 1: like he's just like, here's this old man. I'm gonna 1537 01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,280 Speaker 1: follo him into the woods, and I'm gonna tell I'm 1538 01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:04,720 Speaker 1: gonna do exactly what he tells me to do. And 1539 01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,679 Speaker 1: I have no idea why we're doing this. So guess 1540 01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:13,400 Speaker 1: what the next day, guess who comes waltson back to 1541 01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:18,960 Speaker 1: the house. That's right, Winston Churchill, the cat. And guess what. 1542 01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:24,559 Speaker 1: Though he's a little evil fucker, now he's got glowing 1543 01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:30,719 Speaker 1: eyes and I cannot say enough things about this fucking cat. Okay, 1544 01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,720 Speaker 1: there's a part, I swear to god, there's a he 1545 01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,920 Speaker 1: is like my favorite character in the film, one of them, 1546 01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,800 Speaker 1: but probably the actual favorite of the film for me. 1547 01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,639 Speaker 1: There's a parts twards the end where he's come back. 1548 01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,599 Speaker 1: He's an evil cat obviously, but then Lewis actually has 1549 01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,200 Speaker 1: to put him down for good. And this cat has 1550 01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:56,840 Speaker 1: like this huge fucking death scene and he sells that 1551 01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:02,479 Speaker 1: shit so hard, Like cat is selling this death scene 1552 01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:06,720 Speaker 1: like you wouldn't fucking believe. Okay, And I'll tell you 1553 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,679 Speaker 1: right now, I didn't know this existed until today. Okay. 1554 01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,000 Speaker 1: There is an actual documentary about pet Cemetery that I 1555 01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:18,720 Speaker 1: found and it's called Unearthed, an Untold The Path to 1556 01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,000 Speaker 1: pet Cemetery, And yeah, it's on I think it's on 1557 01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,160 Speaker 1: two B or Amazon Prime or something like that. But 1558 01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,639 Speaker 1: I learned a lot of fun things about this cat. Okay, 1559 01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:34,760 Speaker 1: apparently there were like nine cats that played him, so 1560 01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,240 Speaker 1: Church the cat was played by like nine different cats, 1561 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,719 Speaker 1: and they all stayed in this like little cat trailer 1562 01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,479 Speaker 1: that had like beds and stuff like on set. It 1563 01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:47,240 Speaker 1: was like their little Hollywood trailer for these cats, and 1564 01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,240 Speaker 1: I love it. There's a there's a guy in the 1565 01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:53,439 Speaker 1: documentary that was like, no shit, these cats were like 1566 01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:57,040 Speaker 1: so good. They were like one take cats, one take 1567 01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,360 Speaker 1: cat actors. Can you fucking believe that that shit? 1568 01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,720 Speaker 4: I truly can't. I truly can't. 1569 01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,080 Speaker 1: I mean I was like, that's right, because these are pros, 1570 01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,519 Speaker 1: Like this cat is a pro, like you wouldn't believe. 1571 01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,200 Speaker 1: And the death scene is is proof. 1572 01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,800 Speaker 3: The death scene is definitely proof because he was like 1573 01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:18,280 Speaker 3: give me my fucking oscar. 1574 01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like slowing down, He's like oh like and 1575 01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:28,200 Speaker 1: then he like lifts his little heads like dead, Lewis 1576 01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:31,040 Speaker 1: you killed me? Like that's like, I mean, it is 1577 01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:34,639 Speaker 1: so wild, and he's like fucking when he comes back 1578 01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,840 Speaker 1: from the from the dead, he is like his eyes 1579 01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:41,160 Speaker 1: are glowing. He's like hissing like a motherfucker. He's like 1580 01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:43,680 Speaker 1: scratching people, He's like jumping from the rafters. I mean 1581 01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:44,880 Speaker 1: it's he's incredible. 1582 01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,160 Speaker 3: So what I love about him coming back from the 1583 01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,400 Speaker 3: dead too, is that he exists purely to fuck with 1584 01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:56,479 Speaker 3: Lewis absolutely, and he jumps on his face, claws out 1585 01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,479 Speaker 3: like arms of kimbo, constantly just leaps right onto his 1586 01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,840 Speaker 3: face and scratches the fuck out of him. Like in 1587 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,320 Speaker 3: a cartoon when a cat jumps onto a curtain. 1588 01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:05,840 Speaker 4: And slides down. 1589 01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:09,120 Speaker 3: That's what he's doing to Lewis's face every five minutes, 1590 01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,120 Speaker 3: dropping rats in the bath. Lewis gets out of that 1591 01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,040 Speaker 3: bath and does the fucking watusi on some dead rat. 1592 01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:18,600 Speaker 4: And then looks and see Church, and Church is like 1593 01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,600 Speaker 4: mm hm that was also me. 1594 01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:24,639 Speaker 3: I don't just scratch faces. I ruined baths. I ruin lives. 1595 01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,439 Speaker 1: And meanwhile the little girl comes home and the cat's 1596 01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:31,559 Speaker 1: like hai, like I love you, hellove daddy, I love you. 1597 01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,720 Speaker 1: And meanwhile it's like Louis fuck off, Like it's the 1598 01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,559 Speaker 1: cat is so fucking great. Church is a legend, I'll 1599 01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,880 Speaker 1: tell you too, Like this documentary like, uh, it's for 1600 01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,439 Speaker 1: the real heads, I'll say that, but they got a 1601 01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,000 Speaker 1: lot of people for it, Like all the principles in 1602 01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,479 Speaker 1: supporting casts are interviewed they even have like something like 1603 01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,000 Speaker 1: like people that have like two fucking lines. They got 1604 01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,599 Speaker 1: those people. They got like the assistant fucking greens person 1605 01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:02,000 Speaker 1: like like whoever. Like it was pretty amazing. They got 1606 01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,760 Speaker 1: Mary Lambert, who is so cool. By the way, Yes, 1607 01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:10,000 Speaker 1: if you didn't know, pet Cemetery was directed by a woman. Okay, 1608 01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,720 Speaker 1: and not only that, but she directed pretty much like 1609 01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:17,639 Speaker 1: every Madonna video in the eighties and Jani Jackson video. 1610 01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:23,040 Speaker 1: She's a legend. Love Mary Lambert. But okay, we got 1611 01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:27,040 Speaker 1: to get to we gotta get to Zelda. Okay, because 1612 01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,479 Speaker 1: there's a lot of spooky characters talking in this film, 1613 01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:35,000 Speaker 1: most notably is a girl named Zelda. She's I think 1614 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:39,720 Speaker 1: maybe the one that everybody remembers from this film really so. 1615 01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:45,559 Speaker 1: In the movie, Zelda is Rachel's sister who died of 1616 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:50,439 Speaker 1: spidal mennchitis and was treated pretty horribly by their parents, 1617 01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:56,559 Speaker 1: who essentially left her to die in a back room 1618 01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,080 Speaker 1: while their other eight year old daughter was forced a 1619 01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:03,840 Speaker 1: babysit her. It was like a terrible like family situation, 1620 01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:13,480 Speaker 1: and Zelda the character was the source of my nightmares 1621 01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:19,839 Speaker 1: for decades, completely decades. Like if there was two people 1622 01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:23,960 Speaker 1: from film or TV that scared the fucking but Jesus 1623 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,200 Speaker 1: out of me, Like I couldn't even talk about them. 1624 01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:29,640 Speaker 1: It was Bob from Twin Peaks and Zelda from Pet Cemetery. 1625 01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,960 Speaker 1: Those two, yeah, are like the prom king and Queen 1626 01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:34,520 Speaker 1: of my nightmares. 1627 01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,439 Speaker 4: True devastation, Oh my god. 1628 01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,559 Speaker 1: And something that I actually did know before I watched 1629 01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,599 Speaker 1: the documentary today was that Zelda was actually played by 1630 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:46,920 Speaker 1: an eighteen year old guy. 1631 01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:48,320 Speaker 4: I didn't know that. 1632 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:50,720 Speaker 3: I did not know that until I started watching this 1633 01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,320 Speaker 3: movie and looking at facts because I knew we're going 1634 01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:53,920 Speaker 3: to talk about it. 1635 01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:54,840 Speaker 4: I did not know that. 1636 01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:58,080 Speaker 1: I knew that, like I knew that. Maybe it wasn't 1637 01:26:58,120 --> 01:26:59,960 Speaker 1: like I knew it as child, but I definitely knew 1638 01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,640 Speaker 1: in my adult life. And then he gets interviewed in 1639 01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:06,519 Speaker 1: the documentary and it's fucking great. It's just so great, 1640 01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:07,800 Speaker 1: and he talks about how I had to sit the 1641 01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,880 Speaker 1: makeup chair for like twenty four hours or something straight. 1642 01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:14,360 Speaker 1: But let me tell you, he did an incredible job. 1643 01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:21,200 Speaker 1: Like even watching it like this week, I managed to 1644 01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,040 Speaker 1: not havevert my eyes, but like, yeah, there was a 1645 01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,639 Speaker 1: tough It was like one of the later Zelda scenes 1646 01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,360 Speaker 1: where she kind of comes back from the corner. She's 1647 01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:34,679 Speaker 1: like screaming in the corner. I was like, I, as 1648 01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:36,400 Speaker 1: a forty three year old woman, I don't know if 1649 01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:37,400 Speaker 1: I can even handle. 1650 01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:38,759 Speaker 4: This now exactly. 1651 01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,479 Speaker 3: She's like creeping and you hear her voice before you 1652 01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,880 Speaker 3: see her, so you're like scanning the. 1653 01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,240 Speaker 4: Room looking for her, yes, and then she just pops 1654 01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:50,320 Speaker 4: up and is like what's up, and you're like, holy fuck. 1655 01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,360 Speaker 4: It's still scary after all. 1656 01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,280 Speaker 3: Zelda remains the only part of this movie that I 1657 01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,920 Speaker 3: don't laugh at because it's still legitimately scary to me. 1658 01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:03,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this like, I mean, it's tears all the way. So, okay, 1659 01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:09,160 Speaker 1: Church comes back from the dead, and then absolute tragedy 1660 01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:13,960 Speaker 1: strikes the family because Gauge the toddler, is running around 1661 01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:18,240 Speaker 1: outside during a picnic. He runs into the street and 1662 01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,640 Speaker 1: he is hit by a fucking truck. Now, this was 1663 01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,200 Speaker 1: dark as shit in nineteen eighty nine, and I gotta 1664 01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:26,400 Speaker 1: say it's still pretty dark. 1665 01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,200 Speaker 4: Like crazy, it's pretty dark. 1666 01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,080 Speaker 1: The entire movie is completely darked out beyond this moment, 1667 01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:37,800 Speaker 1: because I mean, Rachel's asshole dad punches Lewis out during 1668 01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:38,480 Speaker 1: the funeral. 1669 01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:40,519 Speaker 4: I mean, don't even. 1670 01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,840 Speaker 1: Get me started. The casket goes flying. I mean it 1671 01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:47,160 Speaker 1: is like fucking great a madness. This family is destroyed 1672 01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:51,760 Speaker 1: beyond belief. Lewis and his grief is doing the thing. 1673 01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,120 Speaker 1: You're like, don't do it, Louis, don't do it. Lewis, 1674 01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,400 Speaker 1: Like even Judd's like, yo, I know I set you 1675 01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,719 Speaker 1: up for this, but don't don't do it. Don't put 1676 01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,800 Speaker 1: Gauge in that burial ground. And when I tell you that, 1677 01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:08,120 Speaker 1: all hell breaks loose. After he puts that baby in 1678 01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:14,040 Speaker 1: the burial ground. This is when Miko Hughes goes from 1679 01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,839 Speaker 1: like a precocious, adorable like little three year old actor 1680 01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:19,959 Speaker 1: to a fucking legend. 1681 01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:26,800 Speaker 3: He comes back in a little burial tuxedo like Putting 1682 01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:31,640 Speaker 3: on the Ritz style, except his little cane is a scalpel. 1683 01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:38,240 Speaker 1: He is looking like little Lord Funtleroy with like a 1684 01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,040 Speaker 1: blue suit, top hat, top. 1685 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:45,160 Speaker 3: Hat, what the fuck velvet tie? Like he's just like, 1686 01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,360 Speaker 3: what's the fuck up? I'm gonna walk into legendary status 1687 01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:48,840 Speaker 3: right now. 1688 01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:57,040 Speaker 1: Okay, the actor is three years old. Okay, this kid, 1689 01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:01,519 Speaker 1: I mean you think the cat was selling it. This kid, 1690 01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:06,920 Speaker 1: he comes back. He's a stone cold killer. He's slicing 1691 01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:11,880 Speaker 1: people's ankles, he's biting people's throats. He bit Judd's throat. 1692 01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:18,120 Speaker 1: He's jumping out of the attic doors like ha, and 1693 01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,040 Speaker 1: like his dad's a doctor. He grabs his dad's medical bag, 1694 01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:24,720 Speaker 1: grabs a scalpel. He's like stabbing people to death. And 1695 01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:31,240 Speaker 1: perhaps the best part is that he's out here haunting 1696 01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:39,000 Speaker 1: people with his baby voice. Ah, Like it ain't enough 1697 01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:44,800 Speaker 1: that he cut someone's achilles tendon off, but he's like 1698 01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:49,640 Speaker 1: scared you didn't. I Like, he's like a three year 1699 01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:54,240 Speaker 1: old Freddy Krueger. He's got bars, He's got fucking bares. 1700 01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:59,320 Speaker 1: But how do we get this three year old kid 1701 01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:01,000 Speaker 1: to say this is beyond me? 1702 01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:06,400 Speaker 4: Now, I want to play with the casey. 1703 01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:09,040 Speaker 1: You gotta put that clip in. First I played with Jed, 1704 01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,640 Speaker 1: Then mommy came and I played with her. Now to 1705 01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:16,879 Speaker 1: play with you. First they play riff Jag. Then mommy 1706 01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:21,360 Speaker 1: came and I kay drift Mommy, we play Daddy. They 1707 01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:22,800 Speaker 1: had an hour from good time. 1708 01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:28,680 Speaker 5: Now there are like so many points where he's just 1709 01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:32,400 Speaker 5: like like he's just like laughing in your fucking face 1710 01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,040 Speaker 5: because you can't find him because he's tiny. 1711 01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:40,080 Speaker 3: He's tiny somewhere. This is the beauty of the Killer 1712 01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:43,720 Speaker 3: Baby in a horror movie. Is there are wiley you 1713 01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:47,000 Speaker 3: cannot track them. He's under chairs, he's under a bed, 1714 01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:50,760 Speaker 3: he's popping out from above you, behind you, around you, 1715 01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:51,960 Speaker 3: he's everywhere. 1716 01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:57,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like again and his like blue velvet suits, 1717 01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,800 Speaker 1: like so he looks real nice. He's like spiffed. And 1718 01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,960 Speaker 1: then there are parts where he's like crawl out of 1719 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,240 Speaker 1: space and it's clearly a puppet. Like they were like, 1720 01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,120 Speaker 1: as much as this kid is a pro and he 1721 01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,639 Speaker 1: is selling it within an inch of his like, they're 1722 01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:16,200 Speaker 1: just simply things we can't get him to do. And 1723 01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,639 Speaker 1: so we're just gonna switch to a puppet and that'll 1724 01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:20,120 Speaker 1: be fine. We'll figure it out later. 1725 01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:22,599 Speaker 3: Also, those child laws are real, like you can probably 1726 01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:23,960 Speaker 3: only work like three hours a day. 1727 01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,400 Speaker 1: Oh I know. He's like, okay, you gotta kill your 1728 01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:29,720 Speaker 1: kill your neighbor, kill it. This person. Like they're like, 1729 01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:32,640 Speaker 1: you got your shot list is huge. So we're just 1730 01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:36,920 Speaker 1: gonna have to get a rubber baby that's snarling. It's 1731 01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:41,439 Speaker 1: like a baby that's like snarling under the bed. It's 1732 01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:45,920 Speaker 1: so fucking funny. And I am I dare not give 1733 01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:47,920 Speaker 1: away the ending of this film, but I gotta tell 1734 01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:54,439 Speaker 1: you the end fight with his dad is like biblically good, 1735 01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:58,559 Speaker 1: Like it's so good and like, I mean people are 1736 01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:03,080 Speaker 1: getting thrown up against the wall. I'm like and like 1737 01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,559 Speaker 1: his shit, Oh my god. At the end of the movie, 1738 01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:15,439 Speaker 1: Gauge his like Swan song is so amazing, Like You're like, 1739 01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:20,479 Speaker 1: this little kid need It's an honorary oscar for this film. 1740 01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:23,920 Speaker 1: There's I can't think of one kid at three years 1741 01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,960 Speaker 1: old that touches him in terms of talent. 1742 01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,320 Speaker 4: Come on, no, it's not happening. 1743 01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:34,760 Speaker 3: The facial expressions they got this kid to snarl. A 1744 01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:39,479 Speaker 3: three year old snarling is a fucking hilarious Like they 1745 01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:40,720 Speaker 3: just got teeth. 1746 01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:44,160 Speaker 4: And he taught him how to snarl. 1747 01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,720 Speaker 1: Dude, he's he's a legend and I mean like and 1748 01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,040 Speaker 1: Miko Hughes is like in the documentary and of course 1749 01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:55,080 Speaker 1: he's like a cool adult, you know, like he looks 1750 01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:59,479 Speaker 1: cool and is like I'm just like, man, what a 1751 01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:02,320 Speaker 1: fucking telling. I mean this, That's the thing about when 1752 01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:03,920 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this name, I was like, there 1753 01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,840 Speaker 1: is literally no other killer kid that I know of 1754 01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:12,680 Speaker 1: that is as good as this. Gauge Gage is like 1755 01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,760 Speaker 1: a legendary killer baby. I can't even. 1756 01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:19,280 Speaker 3: Came out the gate, came out the Gate with the 1757 01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,320 Speaker 3: best in the biz. And I love that you picked 1758 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,720 Speaker 3: this and I love the I think, I truly think 1759 01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:28,960 Speaker 3: this is one of our best double features. And I'm 1760 01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,559 Speaker 3: so excited we got to laugh about these movies that 1761 01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:33,000 Speaker 3: used to be terrifying to us. 1762 01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:37,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, because a kid a Killer Baby is just funny. 1763 01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:42,160 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Like, it was like it was 1764 01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:47,320 Speaker 1: such a fucking great fun double feature night. Like when 1765 01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,400 Speaker 1: I watched because I watched the Omen first and it 1766 01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:52,280 Speaker 1: was just like it was so funny, and it put 1767 01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:54,720 Speaker 1: me in this great mood to watch pet Cemetery and 1768 01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:57,719 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is like so fun. 1769 01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:02,599 Speaker 1: These little babies both in these weird little uh suits, 1770 01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:06,040 Speaker 1: these like little baby suits, and they're just like evil, 1771 01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:08,479 Speaker 1: evil little babies and their baby suits. God, it made 1772 01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:09,280 Speaker 1: me laugh so hard. 1773 01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:13,080 Speaker 3: They're both at one point just dressed like Angus from ACDC. Yes, 1774 01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,040 Speaker 3: like you can give them a knife or a guitar 1775 01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:18,840 Speaker 3: and I'd buy it. 1776 01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:23,479 Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude. I had such a blast. Everyone 1777 01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:27,599 Speaker 1: have a happy Halloween. It's gonna be fun. We need 1778 01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:29,280 Speaker 1: a good Halloween this year. 1779 01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:32,120 Speaker 4: Uh be safe, have fun. 1780 01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:36,479 Speaker 3: Maybe watch our you know, and as you're recovering from 1781 01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,880 Speaker 3: your Halloween shenanigans, you can watch the movies that we 1782 01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:39,920 Speaker 3: have for you next week. 1783 01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:47,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, quite a tone shift, kind of a one eighty. 1784 01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:50,320 Speaker 1: What are the movies for the next episode? 1785 01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:51,719 Speaker 4: Next week? 1786 01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:56,719 Speaker 3: You gotta watch When Harry Met Sally from nineteen eighty 1787 01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,880 Speaker 3: nine and High Fidelity from the Year tooth. 1788 01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,240 Speaker 1: Holy crap, guess the theme after Halloween. 1789 01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,559 Speaker 4: Guess the hop on Wondery Plus and listen to it 1790 01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:08,240 Speaker 4: right now. 1791 01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:10,360 Speaker 1: Oh that's true, that's true. 1792 01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:13,280 Speaker 3: But this was the best. I can't wait till next week. 1793 01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:18,200 Speaker 3: My apologies again to the Peck family per as per usual. 1794 01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:24,520 Speaker 1: Very clear how they feel about your grandfather. 1795 01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:29,479 Speaker 3: I try to one day discuss your great gramps, Papa, 1796 01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:33,240 Speaker 3: your papa without being a gross pig. 1797 01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:35,599 Speaker 1: Well, as always, if you if you want to email us, 1798 01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:37,200 Speaker 1: we're at I Saw What You Did Pod at gmail 1799 01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:38,599 Speaker 1: dot com. 1800 01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,599 Speaker 3: And you can also find us on our socials at 1801 01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:45,840 Speaker 3: I Saw Pod on Instagram and Twitter. 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