1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. This is the best of with 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and buck Sexton. Welcome in our number three 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We are joined now by 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: legendary I think it's fair to say legendary lawyer Alan Dershowitz, 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: who has talked about basically everything under the sun. He 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: is a professor and maritus at Harvard Law School, number 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: one New York Times bestselling author, written fifty books. His latest, 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: The Price of Principle, Why Integrity Is Worth the Consequences, 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: is out now. Would encourage all of you to check 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: it out. Professor Dershowitz, I just want to dive in 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: big question here for you, and I've seen you discuss 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: this a lot on Fox News. But based on everything 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: that you have seen so far, and I know we're 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: waiting to see what's going to happen with the affidavit 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: and whether it's going to be released, did Attorney General 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: Merritt Garland make the right decision to sign the warrant 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: leading to the warrant application that led to the raid 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: at Marlago? Based on what I now know, he made 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: the categorically wrong decision based on his own principles. He 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: said at the statement that the Justice Department generally prefers 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: less intrusive methods and uses them whenever possible. A subpoena 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: had been issued, there had been negotiations. All the Justice 23 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: Department had to do was enforce the subpoena. Go to 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: court and say, your honor, we haven't been able to 25 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: reach a resolution. There's a subpoena out there. Order them 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: to bring the boxes in tomorrow. Then you go through 27 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: them and you decide which documents classified declassified privilege. That's 28 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: the way it should have been done. Now, the affidavit 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: when it's released, may show you know that there are 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: dead bodies lying around, and and you know nuclear codes 31 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: lying around. I don't think so, because if they were, 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: there would have been much greater speed even when they 33 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: got the search warn't. They waited a couple of days 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: before they did it and before they implemented it. We're 35 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: talking to Alan Dershowitz. You've been very strong on this, 36 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. I know it hasn't necessarily endeared 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: you too left wing East Coast, East Coast friends and family, 38 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure, but you've stood on principle over at principle 39 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: over you know the expediency of politics, and I just 40 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: want you to expound upon this idea. If what Merrick 41 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: Garland did, he is the head of the Department of 42 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: Justice for the chief political rival of Donald Trump, and 43 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: he is investigating Donald Trump. We've never I'm a lawyer too, Professor, 44 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: We've never seen anything like this. I'm stunned. I think 45 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: you've said it. I've said it on this show. I'm 46 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: stunned that no one is asking how is Merrick Garland 47 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: even able to lead this investigation? Shouldn't he have to 48 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: recuse himself in your mind? And if the precedent is 49 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: you can investigate the chief political rivals of your president, 50 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: aren't we going to see this go and spend in 51 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: so many dangerous directions on a national perspective. I completely agree. 52 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: That's why there has to be structural change in the 53 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: Justice Department right now. The Attorney generalized two conflicting jobs. 54 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: They're totally inconsistent. One job is to help the president 55 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: get reelected, to be the legal advisor basically to the 56 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: incumbent president, to be loyal to the president, loyal to 57 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: the party he represents, the Democrats, and do everything he 58 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: can to try to help the president get reelected. That's 59 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: one job. The second job is to be completely non 60 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: political and make decisions involving prosecution that are based on 61 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: the merits without any consideration of the political advantage to 62 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: one side. Now you know, I know Mark Earland. I 63 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: supported him for the Supreme Court. I think he's a 64 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: decent guy. Nobody can perform that magic trick on the 65 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: one hand of being non political, on the other hand, 66 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: being loyal as a cabinet member to this administration. You know, 67 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: almost every of the European country breaks up the two jobs. 68 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: There's one job, Minister of Justice. You're an advisor to 69 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: the Prime minister, advisor to the king, advisor to the president. 70 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: And the other job is Director of Public Prosecutions, usually 71 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: a civil service job, former judge. They decide matters of 72 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: who gets prosecuted or not in a non political way. 73 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: That's the way it should be. In the United States. 74 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: Garland cannot perform this job. No attorney general can. And 75 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: it's a deep flaw in our system. Speaking to Professor 76 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz of Harvard Law School, he's got a new 77 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,119 Speaker 1: book out, The Price of Principle, Why integrity is worth 78 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: the consequence to go pick up a copee today, Professor, 79 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: I've spoken some people, including a former Attorney general, who 80 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: believe that it is likely, not certain, but likely, that 81 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: there will still be some charge brought, some criminal charge 82 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: against former President Trump. Do you also view it as likely? 83 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: And then even you know one way or the other 84 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: if it did happen, what do you think that looks like? 85 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: How does that go based on the evidence we now 86 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: have seen. I think it's very unlikely. I think Garland 87 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: would not want to divide the country even further by 88 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: bringing a close case, a close case case involving classification, 89 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: any close case against the president. However, if he finds 90 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: smoking guns, if he finds Nixon type crimes, that's another matter. 91 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: In order to bring a charge, the criteria I would 92 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: have is that basically it has to be so clear 93 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: that Republicans would join him. As they did when Nixon 94 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: got the force to resign, the Republicans were on the 95 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: side of him being resigned of his resigning. That's not 96 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: the case today Today, the division along partisan lines, and 97 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that the Attorney General will wanted to 98 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: divide the country even further by indicting the future nominee 99 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: of the opposing party. You really have to have the 100 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: strongest possible case for that. Now, you know people today 101 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: are willing to do anything to get Trump. Take for example, 102 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: my former colleague, Lawrence Tribe, professor at Harvard Law School, 103 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: who said on CNN that he was urging his former student, 104 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: the Attorney General, to prosecute Donald Trump for attempting to 105 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: murder attempting to murder vice president intense. Now, that is 106 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: the single stupidest thing I've ever heard of law professor 107 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: say in the sixty years I've been practicing law. But 108 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: he is adored by the last because he's trying to 109 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: get Trump. And if you try to get Trump, that 110 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: trumps everything Trump Trump's the Constitution, Trump, Trump's civil rights, 111 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: Trump Trump's civil liberties, Trump, Trump's equal protection, due process. 112 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: If you're trying to get Trump, you're excused. I'll give 113 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: you another example of the former The daughter of the 114 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: former President of the United States, John Kennedy's daughter, Caroline Kennedy, 115 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: was seated next to me at a dinner party and 116 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: she said to me, if I knew you had been invited, 117 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: I would never have come. In other words, she's saying 118 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: she wouldn't want to be in the same room with me. 119 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: She's the ambassador to Australia from the United States. She's 120 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,119 Speaker 1: supposed to sit in the same room with the heads 121 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: of China and North Korea, and she can't sit in 122 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: the same room with a man who exercised his constitutional 123 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: rights to defend the president. I wish she had read 124 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: her father's book, The Profiles and Courage, maybe she'd have 125 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: a different view. But it's Trump derangement syndrome. You mentioned 126 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: the word Trump, and people just go crazy. They lose 127 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: their bearings, they become Donald Trump, they become Caroline Kennedy, 128 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: and it's very, very dangerous to civilities. We're talking to 129 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz. You mentioned that you know Mary Garland and 130 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: found them to be a reasonable person. In fact, you 131 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: even supported his potential ascension to the Supreme Court. You 132 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: don't think he's going to charge, but the decision to 133 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: even sign off on these warrants was a massive step 134 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: from a president precedent setting perspective. What is going on 135 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: with him? How would you psychoanalyze? You said he's got 136 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: an untenable position. I think that's likely true. But if 137 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: he's supposed to be so moderate, reasoned and rational. This 138 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: decision to grant the warrants and sign off on this 139 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: application seems to be the opposite of that. And once 140 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: the train starts moving, Professor, and you're saying, oh, we're 141 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: raiding Trump, everyone out there saying, well, you now have 142 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: to charge him because you did the raid. How does 143 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: he stop this sort of crazy train that he is 144 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: allowed to be unleashed and not charge him. Well, I 145 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: think he can. I think he can say the way 146 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: Komey said, Hillary Clinton has done a thorough investigation. I'm 147 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 1: looking at everything I could talk to the search. I'm 148 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: not apologizing to that, but based on everything we've gotten 149 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: in the search, I still criticize Trump for not disclosing 150 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: and not for dividing the material to the archives. But 151 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: there's not enough you're to prosecute. That's what he should 152 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: do based on the current information. Now, what do you 153 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: think the time frame on that would be? Yeah, what 154 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: would be the timeframe on this making a statement like that? 155 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: In your mind? Months? Probably toward the end of the 156 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: year is when he would what a statement, And that's 157 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: you know, not too you know, that's after the midterm elections. 158 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: I don't know if we would do it before or 159 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: after the midterm elections, because just like Comi's statement probably 160 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: had an impact on the twenty sixteen presidential election, anything 161 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: he says could have an impact on the midterm election. 162 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: So far, I think that if they were trying to 163 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: achieve a political goal, it's backfired. I think this has 164 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: helped Trump. I think it's hurt the Democrats. I'm a 165 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: liberal Democrat. I voted twice against Donald Trump. One of 166 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: the reasons I don't want him to be disqualified when 167 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: burning a third time, as I want to exercise my 168 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: fundamental constitutional rights to vote against them. I am not 169 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: a Trump's supporter. I'm a supporter of the constitution, the 170 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: constitutions on Trump's side, and so I'm supporting Trump constitutionally. 171 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: But you know, the folks in Martha's Vineyard in the 172 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: East Coast don't seem to understand that. They go back 173 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: to the days of McCarthy, where you associate a lawyer 174 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: with the lawyer's client. And that's just one more for you, 175 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: Professor Dershowitz. Should there be a special council appointed around 176 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden, not just because of the hookers and the 177 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: drugs and the illegal firearms, allege the legal firearms possession issue, 178 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: but the buying off the access to his father who 179 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: was then vice president and now of course president, the 180 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,479 Speaker 1: paintings that are going for hundreds of thousands of dollars. 181 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: How can this DOJ in any capacity oversee a fair 182 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: investigation of the sitting president's son. That's a very good point. 183 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: I generally don't favor special prosecutors, as they put a 184 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: target on the back of the individual and then decide 185 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: it is enough epredence to get him. But I think 186 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: in this case, if you're going to have special prosecutors, 187 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: this sounds like a good case for a former judge, 188 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: highly respected, nonpartisan, to be looking at the evidence. Some 189 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: of the evidence that you mentioned probably would support state 190 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: prosecutions rather than federal prosecutions, but still there's probably enough 191 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: there to look into federal prosecutions. Look, I hope he's 192 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: not guilty. I don't like to criminalize political differences, but 193 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,479 Speaker 1: the same rule has to apply for Democrats and Republicans, 194 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: for a former president, future president, or the son of 195 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: a president. You can't have different rules for different people. 196 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: That leads me to this one quick question for you, 197 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: how do we get back to normalcy. You pointed out 198 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: that it used to be that who you represented as 199 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: a lawyer wasn't a sign of your fit or awful 200 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: opinions yourself. That was understood. John Adams represented the Boston 201 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: massacre defendants, right, Nobody was suggesting that he was on 202 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: the side of the British. But to your point, everyone 203 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: has gone insane. It feels like in the legal profession 204 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: over Trump. How does normalcy return, Well, that's the last 205 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: chapter of my book, The Price of Principle. I think 206 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: normalcy returns by having programs like yours speaking out, letting 207 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: the truth come out, letting things like the affidavit be 208 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: made publics, if people can judge for themselves, and a 209 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: sense of tolerance, people talking to each other. You know, 210 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: I used to debate William Buckley all the time on television, 211 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: and I debated him as kind of thousands of people 212 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: in Harvard, and we fought like children. But then we 213 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: had a drink together. He called me his favorite liberal, 214 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: and was he was my favorite conservative. Today you couldn't 215 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: have Lincoln Douglas debates. Half the country would say we 216 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: believe Lincoln, we don't want to hear Douglas and the 217 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: other half would say we believe Douglas. We don't want 218 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: to hear Lincoln. And that's the fourth of universities. Universities 219 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: don't want to confront students with any points of view 220 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: other than ones they already agreed to. Well, Laurence Summers, 221 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: the former president of Harvard and an interview today, said 222 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: that the new McCarthyism has infected universities. They don't allow 223 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: contrary views to be presented. In fact, if you demand 224 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: meritocracy today in a university, it's called the micro you know, sin, 225 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: basically aggression, because yes, you can't have meritocracy. Well, Martin 226 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: Luther King talked about the day that his children will 227 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: be judged by the quality of their character, not the 228 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: color of their skin, and so that's meritocracy. But you 229 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: can't say meritocracy on university campuses today without taking into trouble. 230 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate everything you're saying, everything you're doing. I think 231 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: your voice is an important one, and I appreciate the 232 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: fact that you're willing sometimes to lose some friends and 233 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: colleagues who may have loved your work for years, to 234 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: stand on principle over the passions of the moment. Thank 235 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: you for coming on with us. But they take it 236 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: out of my wife, they take it out of my children, 237 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: just the way it had happened during mccarthiagard, and that's 238 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: unacceptable and intolerable in America. Amen, and you're gonna be. 239 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: They love to talk about the right and wrong side 240 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: of histories. I'm very confident, Professor ur So it's that 241 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: you are going to be on the right side of 242 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: history in the decades to come. Thank you, sir, thank you. 243 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: I finished Endurance the Shackles. Oh, it's so good. It's amazing, right, Like, 244 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: it's so good, and I feel like I read it 245 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: some on the beach, so you know, they're writing about 246 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: how it's minus twenty degrees and they're sitting in ice 247 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: and they've all got frostbite and everything else. And I 248 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: just felt like such an absolute woost for basically every page, 249 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: and also every time one minor positive happens, the next 250 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: four things that happened are way worse. You just turn 251 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: the page. How can it possibly get worse? Well, then 252 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: the weather changed or then anyway, it's a great story 253 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: for anybody out there who wants a story of a 254 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: marri Erican triumph. You mentioned the book about the guy 255 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: who got shot down ended up in Unbroken. Unbroken, which 256 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: is also the zampezs I think yea or Zamperini. Zamporini 257 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: is an amazing story. This one too Endurance, and the 258 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: other one I gave out that you have been reading 259 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: Undaunted Courage if you want to read about just positive 260 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: American triumphalism and overcoming incredibly diffic difficult circumstances. All three 261 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: of those books are phenomenal. The one that always sticks 262 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: out for me in the Shackleton Voyage is the guy 263 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: who almost got got by the leopard seal. That's a 264 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: that's a rough you don't want. People have realized those 265 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: things are very very large, pounds thousand pounds. They would 266 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: have to kill them and sometimes eat them. Yeah, and 267 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: and they they're carnivorous. They eat penguins and things. And 268 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: one guy actually got chased across an ice flow by 269 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: a left I didn't even know that was a thing 270 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: that could happen, but you did see. Now this was far. 271 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: We are going to bring back Clay's Animal Thunderdome, by 272 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: the way, that is in progress. We had a great 273 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: one this week with people, and I think it was 274 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: the beach in Lohoya, which San Diego was one of 275 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: the most San Diego is one of the most beautiful places. 276 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: And I was actually just talking to a friend of 277 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: mine in the business about how if I were, you know, 278 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: twenty two and it was the nineties and I was 279 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: starting out again, I would set up shop in San Diego. 280 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: Man also number one in that market. Hello San Diego, 281 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: Ron Burgundy Voice there NBD little CNB action number one. 282 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: And you might have seen the video when very viral. 283 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: These people that were on the beach and they get 284 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: chased by are those elephant seals that are chasing them? 285 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think they're elephant seals which 286 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: are massive, and they're chasing them. And you forget that 287 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: those those big guys can move pretty fast. Well, the 288 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: scary story and endurance and we'll play this the Santis 289 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: versus Newsom clip for you in a minute. But that 290 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: big seal, it tracked him underneath the ice. It chased him, 291 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: then went underwater. He thought he was safe, saw him 292 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: underneath and then popped up on the other side of him, 293 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: which is pretty terrifying to think about. Welcome back to 294 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: Clan Buck, everybody. This is Buck. I'm here in NYC. 295 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: Spent Thanksgiving with the family yesterday, and we're doing an 296 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: AMA today, which means ask me anything you know within 297 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: reason eight hundred two two two eight eight two if 298 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: you want controversial takes on movies, things like that. I 299 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: watched We had a movie night with the Sexton family 300 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: last night and we watched Greyhound, which for people out there, 301 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: we got a lot of Navy folks. I know in 302 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: this audience my fiance's father, grandfather, and great grandfather are 303 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: all naval aviators. We had a lot of Navy veterans 304 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: and probably active well and for sure active duty Navy 305 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: listening to this show every day, which we greatly appreciate, 306 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 1: honored by the time any member of the Armed Forces 307 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: spends with US past or present Armed Forces. And I 308 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: watched Greyhound. Have you any of you guys seen this 309 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: one here? By the way, it's on Apple TV. But 310 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: it's a movie like a full feature film starring Tom Hanks, 311 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: written by Tom Hanks, and it too. Now I the Navy, 312 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: I do not know very much about the naval lingo 313 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: or any of that kind of stuff. It almost my 314 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: older brother said, it feels like a Navy training The 315 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: whole movie is like a naval training exercise. They never 316 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: you're on a You're on I believe it's greyhound, is 317 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: a cruiser, although if it's a destroyer, now I'm gonna 318 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: get myself into trouble. Is it a cruiser or to see? 319 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: This is the thing. I don't know ships, guys, I 320 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: don't know ships. You know. This is about the Battle 321 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: of the Atlantic. Very interesting. Let me see. I'm trying 322 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: to make sure I get the right the U boats 323 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: I know. I've actually read books about submarines. U Boat's fascinating. 324 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: So anyway, he's on a ship, a destroyer, thank you sorry, 325 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: it is a destroyer. I feel like a cruiser is 326 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: just kind of like a destroyer that didn't need as 327 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: much turkey at Thanksgiving, Like very similar, right, they got 328 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: the depth charges, they got all this stuff, and and 329 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: they're just going across. It's a convoy. He's on a destroyer. 330 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: Tom Hanks is the captain of a destroyer, and the 331 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: U boats are just in a wolf Paco and after them. 332 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: The whole time. There is no respite from this in 333 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: the movie. The whole movie is You're on this boat 334 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: and Tom Hanks's running around saying, you know, you know 335 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: hard Starvard, oh six hundred, you know, drop the depth charges. 336 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: So you know, if you're if you're somebody who gets 337 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: fired up about John Paul Jones and you know you 338 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: like to wear the Commodore's you know outfit on Halloween 339 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff. It's it's pretty good in 340 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: terms of realism, and but it's a little relentless. I 341 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: will say that there's not a whole lot beyond just 342 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: the uh. It's just basically you're you're in a naval 343 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: battle the whole time for ninety minutes. So if you 344 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: like that, um, there's no like backstory. Even in Mel 345 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: Gibson's We Were Soldiers Wait. I think in terms of 346 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: realism and storytelling, was a was a very underrated. I 347 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: thought it was a very good Vietnam movie. I think 348 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: it's one of the better Vietnam movies that has has 349 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: been made. But they take you back to the wives 350 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: and back to base a little bit. There's a little 351 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: more of a build up. I mean, Greyhound, it's like 352 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: they're dropping. You can basically feel the sea spray on 353 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 1: your face and the sea sickness kick it in. When 354 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: you're watching this thing, so if you want to check 355 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: it out. They also the U boats go well. I 356 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: think everyone has this vision of submarines, especially because the 357 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: Hunt for Red October it's all about the firing of 358 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: the torpedo and that's you know, torpedo fire one and 359 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: that's but U boats, especially in the Second World War 360 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: and in the First World War two, the deck gun 361 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: was used more often than the torpedo for sinking. They 362 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: would just come up alongside. They had pretty they had 363 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: pretty serious armaments on the for the deck gun and 364 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: they would and that comes across in the movie. So anyway, 365 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty good. My mom was like, 366 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: not a lot of dialogue, acting or character development in this, 367 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: but I was like, yeah, but all the all the 368 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: big cannons going boom boom, it's a lot of fun. 369 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: So I would recommend that when to if you get 370 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: a chance. But at Ama eight hundred two two two 371 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,239 Speaker 1: eight two, you can ask me anything you like, um 372 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: And with that we can actually go to oh no, wait, 373 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: wait wait, well I was gonna go to calls, but 374 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: a hold on, hold on, because I want to talk 375 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: about the Yeah, I know, I'm keeping you on your 376 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: toes there, you know, we're running training drills in here too. 377 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: What if a U boat pulls alongside the radio studio? 378 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 1: And then when there are Germans who get on the radios, 379 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: they're like, We're going to keep haunting you forever. I'm like, 380 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: in every movie the German bad guys, they're at that 381 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: there always like up here, whether it's the First World 382 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: Wars a Second World Wars, that always sound like and 383 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, they never there's never a guy 384 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: who's got a lower register. I just think it's interesting, 385 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: like the menacing tone of the of the German, whether 386 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: it's the Wehrmacht or a Second World War, First World 387 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: or it's like vidua make us you know? Continue was 388 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: this you boats hunting you and Z the flotilla and 389 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: you're like, whoa this guy sounds This guy sounds mean. 390 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: Of course he gets what's coming to him. Thank you, 391 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: Tom Hanks. At the end of it, where was I 392 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: on this one? Oh? Yes, we have the guy going 393 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: after Trump. Jack Smith, I think you should know about this. 394 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: This just got decided. This just got decided in the 395 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: last what was last week they appointed a special prosecutor, 396 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: and the special prosecutors this guy Jack Smith and he's 397 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: looking at two. So it's really now the third special 398 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: prosecutor looking at Donald Trump, when I say, looking at 399 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: on a search and destroy mission, trying to just trying 400 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: to prosecute and possibly even incarcerated former president of the 401 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: United States. That's underway right now. This guy's most notable 402 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: cases are twofold. One was the prosecution of Bob McDonald, 403 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: who was the governor of VIRGINNY. All remember that, and 404 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: Bob McDonald was. He took him and his wife took 405 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: a total of one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars 406 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: of gifts, you know, rolexes, ball gowns, things like that, 407 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: gifts from a businessman in Virginia who had I think 408 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: a nutraceutical company, and they completely they went after him, 409 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: they went after his wife as well, and actually got 410 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: a prosecution and the state of Virginia didn't bring any charges. 411 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: The federal government came in and it was Jack Smith, 412 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: this prosecutor. He had such an expansive definition of what 413 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: is called honest services fraud, which is a statute that 414 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, you can't accept money, for example, for an 415 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: official act. It's a bribery. It's a bribery and corruption 416 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: charge effectively, but it was so expansive that even though 417 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: there was no specific official act taken by Bob McDonell, 418 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: who remember back in two thousand and eight. Around that period, 419 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: he was talked about as a VP candidate. He was 420 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: somebody that people were thinking about as a major Republican 421 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: figure in the future. So they wanted that The Democrats 422 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: wanted to take him down. The Supreme Court overturned his conviction, 423 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: not five four, not six three, nine nothing. That is 424 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: how egregious the overreach and the abuse of prosecutorial power 425 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: and the expansion of the law by Jack Smith, the 426 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: prosecutor was a nine nothing decision. And so here you 427 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: are looking at a guy who has a history of 428 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: dramatic overreach that had to be slapped down entirely by 429 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court to try to ruin someone's life and 430 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: incarcerat him for what exactly. There was no official act taken. 431 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: And so what Jack Smith did is he said, well, 432 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, this guy, the businessman, was seated in good 433 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: places during parties at you know, at the governor's mansion 434 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: or or you know, he introduced the governor, introduced him 435 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: to other people, or basically was hanging out with him. 436 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: There was nothing. He didn't sign anything, he didn't push 437 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: any bill, he didn't, you know, have any proclamation, no 438 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: official act. Still wanted to send him to federal prison. 439 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: That's who was going after Trump right now. The other 440 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: person he went after was John Edwards. Now I know 441 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 1: that the left is gonna say, oh see, they go 442 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: after Democrats too. He's honest. You know, we all know Weissman, 443 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: for example, Mueller's pit bull. Remember him? What did Weisman do? 444 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: As soon as the Mueller prosecution was over, He's on 445 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: MSNBC talking crazy Trump's arrangement syndrome stuff. He's a lib, 446 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: He's a leftist. We knew it all along, some of 447 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: us did. And then of course Mueller was up there 448 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: where where where where. Mueller's made Biden seem sharp as 449 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: attack and we remember this. It was shocking the people 450 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: who were watching it. They were like, Mueller's the most 451 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: you know, relentles g man in the history of the country. 452 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: This guy, you know, he he makes elliott Ness look 453 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: like wasn't putting in the hours. It was crazy what 454 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: they were saying about him. They're gonna do the same 455 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: thing with Jack Smith. Now the most relentless, dogged, ethical prosecutor. 456 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: But just remember he went after John Edwards, after John Edwards, 457 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: who at one point was the leading Democrat presidential contender. 458 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: Just always remember that. I like to remind people of 459 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: who some of the Democrats are, the same way that 460 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: Rohn Descantists. Who's now, you know, with the biggest win 461 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: in the history of the state of Florida for governor 462 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: we've ever seen. Rohn Descantists ran against Andrew Gillham, who 463 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: was found with an overdosed male prostitute with meth amphetamine 464 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: in the hotel room and is now facing federal corruption 465 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: charges of his own. That's who the Democrats wanted to 466 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: run the state of Florida. John Edwards had a love 467 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: child cheater on his wife while she was sadly tragically 468 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: dying of cancer while he was campaigning for presidents But 469 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: when it finally oh and do you remember who broke 470 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: that story? This is a fun trip down memory lane. 471 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: I was still in the CIA when this app There 472 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: was two thousand and eight, by the way, I know, 473 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: before I was getting the dates jumbled in my head 474 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: was two thousand and eight. I was still in the CIA, 475 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: but I was following this stuff pretty closely, because you know, 476 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: I've been obsessed with the news and defeating commies ever 477 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: since I was about fourteen or fifteen years old. Yeah, 478 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: it was two thousand and eight, and John Edwards was 479 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: going forward, and they as soon as he was done, 480 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: as soon as he was finished as a candidate because 481 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: of the National Inquirer. Just remember that, The New York Times, 482 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: the Washington Post, none of them could figure out or 483 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 1: wanted to figure out obviously that John Edwards had a 484 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: love child and an affair with someone that is campaign 485 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: was paying to do videography work or something like that, 486 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: who was a very odd lady who seems like she 487 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: should own a war that sells wind chimes or something. 488 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: You know. She I think her name was real, Am 489 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: I getting the right was real? Yeah, And he had 490 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: a child with her while he's running for president and 491 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: his wife is dying from cancer. No one figure this out. 492 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: The National Enquirer took a break from you know, baby 493 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: with like the legs of a goat and the head 494 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: of a demon born in the Arizona Desert to actually 495 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: Brits truth. They broke the story and basically took down 496 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: John Edwards campaign. And then because of the humiliation that 497 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: he visited upon Democrats. You see, he was no longer useful. 498 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: He was done. Then they brought a hiding campaign finances charge. 499 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: Jack Smith led that one and didn't even get a conviction. 500 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: So this guy, you know, this is who you're putting 501 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: in charge. But I'm telling you right now, you know 502 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: the old thing about how you could indeed a Ham 503 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: sandwich grand jury? Can this guy Jack Smith and dies 504 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: Ham Sandwiches like it's his job. He just comes up 505 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: with something. So strap in friends, he's going after Trump 506 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: and he's gonna do everything he can to get a 507 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: indictment before a DC grand jury. This is gonna get, 508 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: It's gonna get Rocky. Welcome back to Clay and Buck. 509 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: We're doing a ask me anything today. Eight hundred two 510 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: two two eight eight two Matt in Tupelo, Mississippi. Matt, 511 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: what have you got for us? And happy belated Thanksgiving? 512 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: Well I've got the burning question, and that is how 513 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: did you and Clay first meet? Oh? Sure, so Clay 514 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: and I met in Nashville, his hometown, over lunch that 515 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: was set up by our both of our boss bosses. 516 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: Who is who is the president of Premier networks here 517 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: at iHeartRadio. But we sat down and it was it 518 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: was during something called politic Con where we both were 519 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: invited guests to this. Uh it's like Comic Con, but 520 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: for political people. I guess that's the best way to 521 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: put it. So you get all these you know, you'll 522 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: have uh you know the ragin Cajun. Uh what's his name, James? Um, 523 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: you know he was Carville. Carville. Thank you like people 524 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: like that, you know all over MSNBC, CNN, all those people, Um, 525 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: they show up, thank you. You You knew James Carville. So 526 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: we were at that, but we really just honestly talked about, um, 527 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: Nashville restaurants in the town, because that was my first 528 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: time ever in Nashville. So we hung out at that 529 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: lunch and then uh, I used to I used to 530 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: live near there myself, so it's uh, I know what 531 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: you're talking about. Yeah, No, nash Nashville is a great town. 532 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: So that was the first time we met, and we 533 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: didn't really talk again until we were told we're gonna 534 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: be doing the show together. So there, you know, we could. 535 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: We had a nice time at lunch, and then about 536 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: eighteen months later, I guess or a year later or 537 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: something like that. It's like, Hey, you and him are 538 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: going to team up, and I said, great, and here 539 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: we are. Thank you for calling him Matt h Kyle 540 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: in Well, we just have mckenry County. Where's that. Well 541 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: we're about halfway between Rockford, he and Chicago, so I'm 542 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: in between two liberal in place. But oh man, all right, 543 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: Chicago could be so great if they just had different 544 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: people running the place. But anyway, what do you got 545 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 1: from me, Kyle? Oh? So about your assault weapons ban 546 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: from mister Biden, Well, we know that won't go through, 547 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: but you know, we got assult weapons bands here in 548 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: different townships in Illinois, and that didn't stop our Highland 549 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: parts shoot or no, did it. You know we go 550 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: through a forty four seventy three for our freight charts 551 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: and another one for actually purchasing a firearm. Bad people 552 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: are gonna get guns regardless of what they Yeah, I mean, 553 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: I think bad people that we can see from the 554 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: numbers are having an easier time getting guns now than 555 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: they have in a long time. Despite all kinds of laws, regulations, 556 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: straw purchase prohibitions, all these things, background checks, it doesn't change. 557 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: But ultimately thank you for calling in Kyle. Ultimately, a 558 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: lot of the opposition I said it was emotional, which 559 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: is true, but the opposition to the Second Amendment, that 560 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: the people legally owning guns is also cultural and tribal 561 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: in the sense that you really just a lot of 562 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: people don't want the people who have the guns to 563 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: have them because they don't like them, meaning they think 564 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: that people the people who own the guns legally are 565 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: the problem to them. They think of it as if 566 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: you own a gun, you're you know, you're a Republican, 567 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: your right wing, your traditionalist, and you're thinking and all 568 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: and then all the other you know, slurs and slanders 569 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: that they throw at people on the right. So it's 570 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: that ikey people own guns, that's really their thing. They 571 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: just don't like the people who want to go to 572 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: the range, who want to go shooting, who spend time 573 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: with family doing that lifestyle. Libs, particularly from the coast, 574 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: but also places like Chicago. They don't like gun owners, 575 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: it is actually and they want to antagonize them as 576 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: much as they can through the law. So yeah, there's 577 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: some anxiety not rooted in reality, about how it'll make 578 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: us safer and if we only got rid of the guns, 579 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: everybody would be fine, which is crazy, but it's also 580 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: just they don't like you and me. They don't like 581 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: people to like guns and believe in the Second Amendment. 582 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: That's really what it comes down to. And it's such 583 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: a clear marker between the two sides, such a dividing 584 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: line now that they don't even think about it beyond that. 585 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: That's why the data, the numbers, the truth doesn't matter 586 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: to the gun grabbers.