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Speaker 1: We're back on Radio Row again. I'm Matt Taylor with

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Speaker 1: Casey Valier inside the Indiana Convention Center. This is day

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Speaker 1: two by the way of the NFL Combine on Radio Row.

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Speaker 1: But obviously a lot going on with the prospects and

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Speaker 1: the GM's continuing to talk and the workouts on through

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Speaker 1: the weekend. It's our pleasure now to be joined by

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Speaker 1: Sam Monson, lead NFL analyst for Pro Football Focus. Sam,

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Speaker 1: this is our first chance to talk and meet. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for the time. How are you no problem? It's only

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Speaker 1: day two, is that what you're telling? Well? Day two

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Speaker 1: for me. How long have you been here so far? No,

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Speaker 1: it's still only day Well, I guess it's day three

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Speaker 1: for us. We got here Monday afternoon. But it's only

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Speaker 1: halfway through the week, right. That's not a good sign. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah, a lot to be hashed out to

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Speaker 1: this point. So let's talk about what the Colts before

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Speaker 1: What did you make of the Shane stike and hire.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of that fit in Indianapolis right now? No,

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Speaker 1: I think it's good fit. I mean, obviously, what he's

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Speaker 1: done there kind of speaks for itself. I think he

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Speaker 1: did a fantastic job. The Colts needed a new you know,

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Speaker 1: a fall guy, right, somebody's got to go, somebody's got

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Speaker 1: from during the season. I think Stiken's a really good

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Speaker 1: a new direction. And I think because this team is

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Speaker 1: really bad season. Things unraveled, things unspooled around them, but

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Speaker 1: for them. The pieces, generally, I think are kind of

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Speaker 1: team that can jump back quite quickly. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the position group last year, that

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Speaker 1: Wasn't there like it was the year before. Jonathan Taylor's

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Speaker 1: injury certainly factored into that. But from your standpoint, when

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Speaker 1: watch that offensive line, Sam, what happened? What was the difference?

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Speaker 1: It's tough. It was a bad season for the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: It's such a fascinating group. I think everybody is pretty

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Speaker 1: the other concern is if you're that small, it's you

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Speaker 1: Like that's I think the real worry for NFL teams

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Speaker 1: and really, I think he'll be an absolute weapon for

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Speaker 1: as a left tackle. I've been given his backstory. His

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Speaker 1: ceiling is really high, man, that's great stuff. That's Sam Monson,

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Speaker 1: lead NFL analyst for Pro Football Focus. This is our

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Speaker 1: first chance to talk. It's great to meet you. Love

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Speaker 1: your stuff. As we said off the era. You know

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Speaker 1: you're on on the radio here a lot you know

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Speaker 1: three five and one oh seven five to fans. So

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Speaker 1: really enjoy your work there as it pertains to the combine.

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite part. I mean, the whole week is great.

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Speaker 1: I think like just just every the entirety of NFL

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Speaker 1: I love it. Man. Well, it's great to meet you again,

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Speaker 1: like I said, and best of luck. Really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: That's good guys. Thanks