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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, rain drops on today's episode Reality

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Speaker 1: with the King. Listen. I love every time I tape

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Speaker 1: an episode on my podcast, but I have to say

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Speaker 1: I want to call Friday's My fun Day or fri

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Speaker 1: yay because I get to be with Alexis Belino as

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Speaker 1: we recap another episode of the Real Housewives of orcomp No,

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Speaker 1: Thank god it's Alexis.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that was fast. Okay. I have a confession.

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Speaker 2: I have to own something right now. I just had

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Speaker 2: hyaluronic acid put in my micro needle in my face.

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Speaker 2: As we know, there's a wedding coming up, so I

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Speaker 2: do look different today. I have bruises I couldn't cover up.

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Speaker 2: I'm puffy or so just everybody please be kind. It's

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Speaker 2: it's it's what we must do, you know, self care.

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Speaker 1: You look amazing to be No.

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Speaker 2: I've tried to cover it. I did not have glam

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Speaker 2: squad today. This was a Lexus squad. And I tried

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Speaker 2: to just you know, I tried to deep puff. I

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Speaker 2: tried to heal the bruises fast enough enough Arctica. It

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Speaker 2: didn't work.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, no, listen, I love but you said I

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Speaker 1: have no glam is a Lexis glamb Alexis glamb is Bob.

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Speaker 1: You look amazed, so listen. If you just say anything,

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Speaker 1: I would not have known anything was going on with

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Speaker 1: your face. But look, I see it. So I need

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Speaker 1: to do something like that because I use you know, topicals.

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Speaker 2: Okay, are those the eye patches?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I did that.

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Speaker 2: I did that at six o'clock getting ready to say

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Speaker 2: I'm getting ready for this. Okay, I love it eye

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Speaker 2: patch and at six am to see Carlos king at

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Speaker 2: eight am, it's our eight am day. We were like,

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Speaker 2: it's like and today I brought my diet coke Carlos

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Speaker 2: and we might have a little we have a little

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Speaker 2: more fun today. Carlos.

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Speaker 1: This is what I call a filler episode, because you

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Speaker 1: know they were on the trip. Nothing really fantastical happened,

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Speaker 1: but there was some amazing points being made.

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Speaker 2: Well, honey, you have to remember, they can't all be

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Speaker 2: up here like like I talk, not because then you

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Speaker 2: don't get any You gotta have a load to get

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Speaker 2: a high. So this was a little bit less, but

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Speaker 2: the two be continued. I happen to believe is gonna

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Speaker 2: be next week when you and I talk, We're gonna.

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Speaker 1: Be like whoa yes, yes, no, no. I could not

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Speaker 1: agree more. Listen as I feel the same way. Not

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Speaker 1: every episode should be a slam duck, although so far

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Speaker 1: this season has been. But let's get right into it.

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Speaker 1: So Tamra just decided to plan a trip. She invited

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Speaker 1: all the girls. She first started to inform. The girl

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Speaker 1: she invited, Shannon Shannon. Look, I watch every episode, I

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Speaker 1: see everything, and I see all the nuances. I was

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Speaker 1: shocked that Shannon all of a sudden decided that she

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Speaker 1: just doesn't want to go on a trip. She doesn't

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Speaker 1: trust Tamarra is too soon for her to be around her.

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Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, I'm confused because last year

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Speaker 1: when Tamra said all those things to her, and I

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Speaker 1: even told Tamar personally, look, you're being a little too

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Speaker 1: harsh on her. You know that's my opinion, Hey, Tamara,

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Speaker 1: Tamra knows more about the Shannon dynamic than we all

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Speaker 1: if not longer than that. So she knows more than

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Speaker 1: we do. I'm not excusing her behavior, but what I'm

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Speaker 1: I was confused about, though, was Shannon's apprehension to not

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Speaker 2: Here's the deal. Shannon now thinks she can ice people

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Speaker 2: The door, and there's the door that way. Okay, just

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Speaker 2: like I said last year, and I did not practice it,

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Speaker 2: I hope that tambraag does not if I lose my friendship.

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Speaker 2: She's one of my closest friends if I lose her

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Speaker 2: so Tamar told me back before, and my jobs are

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Speaker 2: hard for both Tamara and I. We both got the ringer,

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Speaker 2: I was there for her for ten years. Do you

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Speaker 2: know that Shannon never once called me, like when Tamra

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Speaker 2: Shannon's a lot because guess what, Shannon never asked Tamara

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Speaker 2: How are you, Tamra? What can I do for you? Tamra?

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Speaker 2: What do you need? Tamara? It was always Shannon calling

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Speaker 1: So I'm over it. I'm over it. And the reason

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Speaker 1: Shannon personally. I for the for the longest time, I

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Speaker 1: And I always thought she had these quirky moments, right,

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Speaker 1: I think Shannon has become predictable and say, I don't

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Speaker 1: to the people working on the show. I'm not here

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Speaker 1: the name names, but you know, I know things too.

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Speaker 1: I listen. You can have a moment, but to berase

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Speaker 1: somebody is to me, I'm called for And I think

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Speaker 2: I told Carlos, I call it a stick. I feel

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Speaker 2: that's a word, like schleppin. Shtick is what Alexis is

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Speaker 2: I have to lock my dogs out right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry this.

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Speaker 2: I have a little playmate outside, Okay, go have some fun. Okay, good,

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Speaker 1: This is real, but I'll go ahead. You feel like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's like, okay, we get that you are

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Speaker 2: always dishoveled, we get that you always are tripping and falling.

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Speaker 2: I think she keeps doing these things thinking she's making

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Speaker 2: is it okay for Shannon to get ten or twelve chances?

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Speaker 2: Jennifer gave Shannon after the you know, my kids are

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Speaker 2: move on everybody, like, let's go, let's be friends.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you why I've always said, and

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Speaker 1: Housewives show, for some of them, not all of them,

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Speaker 1: but for some, there is this sense of the lions.

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Speaker 1: And for me, when Tamarack got fired, Shannon stopped talking

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Speaker 1: to her. Yes, Tamara said that on my podcast while

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Speaker 2: It's true. I've been here, so I.

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Speaker 1: Know if that's your real friend and you guys have

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Speaker 1: a real friendship, show or no show. We're going to

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Speaker 1: be friends. You're getting married soon. Your wedding guests include

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Speaker 1: Tamar and Heather, amongst a lot of people. They're not

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Speaker 1: on the show with you this season. However, you're still

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Speaker 1: friends with them. And you had a very tough season

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Speaker 1: last season, and you had moments between yourself having Tamra

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Speaker 1: that you three had to work through. And I'm happy

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Speaker 1: y'all work through it, right, That's what real friends do.

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Speaker 1: I've said this before. When a housewife gets removed from

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Speaker 1: the show, that's when you realize who is your real friend.

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Speaker 1: Shannon doesn't see a need for Tamara anymore. And look,

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Speaker 1: I understand that Tamar was very disrespectful to Shannon last

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Speaker 1: season with the costs drunk comment. I one thousand percent

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Speaker 1: thought that was not right, and I told Tama herself,

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Speaker 1: and Tamara apologized for it. Yeah. No, me and Tamara

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Speaker 1: did apologize for it. What I find so fascinating is

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Speaker 1: the way Shannon yelled at Katie this season. We discover

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Speaker 1: a few days ago Alexis Bellino that Shannon still follows

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Speaker 1: Katie on Instagram? So should Katie forgive you? Because my

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Speaker 1: thing is, Shannon, are you still following Katie because you

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Speaker 1: don't want the backlash from social media who are coming

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Speaker 2: love me deep down and they will defend me and

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00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: they will stick up for me when it really comes,

429
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 2: you know, push comes to shove. That I forgave and

430
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: moved on, and other people were like, how can you

431
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: forgive them? How are you moving on from this? And

432
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, to be honest, it's like, okay, so

433
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: if your kid lies to you, are you just gonna

434
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: kick them out and say forget you, you lied and

435
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 2: you're a horrible human, or are you gonna know they

436
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 2: need a little correction. It's gonna be okay, let's coddle

437
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 2: them a little bit, you know. So it's like I

438
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: I moved on. We had deep, hard conversations with tears

439
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 2: and anger, and then we moved past it. And here

440
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 2: we are grown women who are forty eight and fifty

441
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: ish that moved on because that's what you do. You

442
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: forgive and you move on in life. Nobody's perfect.

443
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: Carlos m h, I love that. I love that.

444
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: A mid middle finger to me, it was you are

445
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: one million percent right, That's what That's what the show

446
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 2: was doing. Basically, the show was saying, Alexis, we can't

447
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 2: have a space for you. Anymore because you were so

448
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: hated due to lies and not a truth being shown

449
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 2: for poor America to have witnessed. So that, yeah, it

450
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: was an f you to me. And that's okay. I've

451
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 2: got thick skin, honey, after fifteen years on TV, I've

452
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: got thick skin. You can tell me anything and I'll

453
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: be like, Eh, you're.

454
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, No, that's what I thought. It wasn't listen.

455
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you Tamera Heather were

456
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: able to have a conversation. And I also think too,

457
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: in their defense, the show had to do a reset,

458
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: and I think, look, there's one thing Tamra said recently

459
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: an interview is she's a different person on the show

460
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: than she is in real life. And what that means

461
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 1: based on her definition, and I understood what she meant

462
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: by that is when the cameras are on, you sort

463
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: of become this amplified version of yourself. Right. It's some

464
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: people do that, a lot of people don't. But she's

465
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: one of the ones who admitted that, Look, that's what

466
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 1: I do. So when I saw that saying, I, for one,

467
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: never never took that personally for you. When it came

468
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: to Tamera Heather, I just thought they had to do

469
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: something to bring the show back to a reset. But

470
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: I thought it was definitely.

471
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: Well. First of all, Heather told information that was not

472
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 2: hers to share. That is where I got the most

473
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 2: mad at Heather. She was not to share that with

474
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: Shannon or the production team or anyone else. That was

475
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 2: me telling her something in confidence. That was something that

476
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 2: was very hurtful and something that should never have been

477
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: talked about. As you noticed, I didn't do it. However,

478
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: when when I feel like it's not that you're a

479
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: different person on camera, because like for me, last season

480
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: didn't look like me, but that's because so much was

481
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: left out. It was it was snippets of things that

482
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: didn't show. If you would have played two minutes, that

483
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: snippet wouldn't looked like that. It would have been a

484
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: two minute you would have seen more to the you

485
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: know what I'm trying to say. Yeah, So if for

486
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 2: the I don't know, I I think camera is herself

487
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 2: on camera and off camera. I really do. And I

488
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 2: don't think. I think that the women have to do

489
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 2: a job. And that's where I sat back and I go, Okay,

490
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 2: hold on, alexis are these your TV friends or are

491
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: they your real friends? And did they have a TV

492
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: moment where they had to be a TV friend? Yes,

493
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: they had a TV moment where they had to be

494
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 2: a TV friend. But when I go back to my

495
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: you know, my playbook of my years and years with

496
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: them and times they have been here for me and

497
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: times that we have had true friendship, I go, they

498
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: had a TV moment, but they are my true friend.

499
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: Can't say that about others. There are others that are

500
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: just TV friends. And that's okay. You got to do

501
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: a job. Reality is not for everyone, and it is hard.

502
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: It's a hard job. So I just forgave and moved on,

503
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: and that's what Shannon needs to do right now. But

504
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: she's bitter and I think she's unhappy in her life

505
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: and she can't move past it to go okay, let's

506
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: put on a TV hat and move on so that

507
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: the show can move forward. But unfortunately grudge's equal getting fired.

508
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, you gotta be careful you do. And I think, listen,

509
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to say this. I think Shannon needs to

510
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: set out next season, whether that's a friend role. I

511
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: just she's not fun and she's not having fun. And

512
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: I do think a break can do the body good,

513
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: you know. And I think for me personally, I'm a

514
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: fan of the show. I think Shannon needs a break,

515
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: Like I think, take a season off, enjoy life, maybe

516
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: come back refreshed. Shannon hasn't been good on the show

517
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: in years. And I think the reason why last year

518
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: a lot of people felt sorry for Shannon was because

519
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: obviously Tamra was calling her those names. She had to

520
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: deal with you and John and all those things, and

521
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: it made people whatever. But I think I think this season, everybody,

522
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: even the Shannon stands, which is why you can never ever, ever, ever, ever,

523
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: ever ever ever ever believe believe the hype. Just don't

524
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: believe the hype. People love you today, hate you tomorrow.

525
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: I think Shannon needs to sit up next season. I

526
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: don't I don't care to see it. So one thing

527
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: I want to talk about too in that in that

528
00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: episode was the fact that look, she's like, you called

529
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: me these names, Hamma, you called me a drunk. Tama said, Look,

530
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: I apologize, but what do you want from me? And look,

531
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: you want to feel that way, fine, And this is

532
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: why Tama's good for the show, y'all. Tamra said, Look,

533
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: Gina is even concerned about your drinking.

534
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: And then it goes to be continued. That's why I said,

535
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: next season is gonna next next I'm so sorry, not

536
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: next season. Next episode is gonna be good because I

537
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: love the to be continued.

538
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: I do too.

539
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: You're like no, you're done, no, and you want to

540
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: just press for fast forward to the next honey.

541
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: It was so good because I'm like, wait, what's going on?

542
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: And you could tell Gina was like fucking visch Tamera,

543
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: and you got like, oh.

544
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: Jena was so mad at that moment. But here's the thing.

545
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Don't put anything past Tammer, which is

546
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: why the show was so successful. She's the longest running housewife,

547
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: thank you very much, because she knows how to carry

548
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: the show forward and also to call things out. Tamra

549
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: knows so much about me. I mean, I'm talking how

550
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: many hemorrhoids I have? Okay, she not everything, and she

551
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: doesn't go to certain places on television. Okay, she does

552
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: do what she knows will take the show far enough,

553
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: but she keeps some things to herself. Okay. So so

554
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: that's what I want America to know, because yes, maybe

555
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: she can take the show forward. However, she doesn't throw

556
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: under the bus too too low like Shannon was like,

557
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: oh you, oh so low. I'm like, Shannon, you go

558
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: low all the time. Let's please. I was like, I

559
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: was wishing at that moment that Bravo would have gone

560
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: back and shown all of the time Shannon's gone low

561
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: below the belt that are horrible, And it's like these women,

562
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 2: I'm just I rulemize it. It's funny. Okay, no, it was.

563
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: It was. It was so good. It was so shocking

564
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: because I'm like, what is happening And the fact that

565
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: Gina was like, well, I am concerned about you and

566
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: and it's like no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no.

567
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: Tamra said, you're concerned about her drinking, not her as

568
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: a person. So I felt like, Okay, Gina, We're going

569
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: to get into some things because I'm curious as to

570
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: what is going on between that. But look, this is

571
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: why I strongly believe this, and I don't care who

572
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: disagrees with me. When Tamra was fired from the show,

573
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: I strongly believe all of those women felt like, who

574
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: we can breathe because there's not someone on this show

575
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: that's going to keep us honest and push us. And

576
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: that to me is what Tamar is good at and

577
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: that's why very much. Yeah, no, that's why she's good

578
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: at her job. What are your thoughts when it comes

579
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: to the state of this show, Alexis. What's been happening

580
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: right now is this Katie Janella was not in this

581
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: episode at all, and based on some internal knowledge that

582
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: I have, you may not see her ever again. They

583
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: haven't made That's what I'm not sure. That's the word

584
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: on the street that you may not see Katie Janella

585
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: again if you do maybe one episode or two. But

586
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: a lot of what people are saying is the fact

587
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: that the ladies did not want to film with Katie.

588
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: This episode was a non Katie episode. The state of

589
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: the show is going through this very interesting face because

590
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: on one end, Alexis is a huge hit. It constantly

591
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: rates number two of the top TV shows on Peacock.

592
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying this season, but the audience feels like, what

593
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: is this show without Katie? And if there needs to

594
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: be a recast? So not to sort of ask about

595
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: a recast because it's too soon for that and we'll

596
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: you're not gonna do that. After the reunion but as

597
00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: of right now, let me ask you this first. Do

598
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: you feel Gretchen's comeback has been great or a huge letdown?

599
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: This is the problem, Carlos, is that I don't have

600
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: I don't know how to sometimes hold my tongue. Okay,

601
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: it's not a good time to ask me about Gretchen

602
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: after what just came out. I'm not I don't think

603
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: I have one positive thing to say about her as

604
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: a human being at all at the moment, So let's

605
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: not talk. Oh well, just came across my phone? Is

606
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: it only on mine? Because I don't even get on Instagram?

607
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: How she compared? And I didn't even screen shot it?

608
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: And I should have screens shot it because I don't

609
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: even remember how to get back to it. It was on

610
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: some Bravo blog site that she agreed that LGBTQ and

611
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: trans are the same as pedophiles, or in some contacts

612
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: like that. No, I'm I was living. I couldn't even

613
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: help myself. I went back and texted to that I've

614
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: got to find it. I hormented to this site and

615
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: I go, oh my gosh, are you serious? Is this real?

616
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: I am fing living? I didn't say fing because my

617
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 2: children can read that. I'm trying not, I promise them,

618
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: I'm stopping cussing. I really have been good lately. Anyway,

619
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: I said, I am livid because you know, I have

620
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: an LGBTQ child and and so I I don't know.

621
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: I can't even you can't even bring her name up

622
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: to me right now without me just being really pissed off.

623
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, it takes it to another level, Like my

624
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: heart right now is racing. You can hear my voice. Yeah, yeah,

625
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: I will die for my kid, So you will shut

626
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: the f up, period.

627
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: So no, no, no's okay. So I do want to say

628
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: this because I didn't see that. But the good thing

629
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: about us doing this live is the fact that we

630
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: are able to definitely fact check some things and corroborate

631
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: some stuff. So I'm gonna say alleged because I'm gonna

632
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: say something after that. So allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, Gretchen

633
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: Rossy liked a post where the post said, when you

634
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: open the door to homosexuality, you open the door to pedophilia.

635
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: You never you'll never win, You'll never win by normalizing perversion, Alexis,

636
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: Gretchen Rossy alleged that those screenshots were fake and that

637
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: she is actually a supporter of the l g pt

638
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: Q plus community.

639
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: Of course she has to back pedal.

640
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: This is what she told the Sun. Okay, Alexis and

641
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: rain John's again, this is live and I'm reading to

642
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: you live. Gretchen told the Son allegedly, it's my understanding

643
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: that there is a small group of Housewife fan sites

644
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: and blogs passing a story around that I allegedly liked

645
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: highly offensive post. This is false. Those are manipulated screenshots

646
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: meant to cause harm to my reputation and bring attention

647
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: to themselves. I firmly stand against any form of hatred

648
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: and bigotry. Have always fully supported the lgpt Q plus community.

649
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: That's her statement.

650
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: Of course, that's a great statement. Good job.

651
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't. You don't buy it one bit.

652
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: I don't buy it. Your name doesn't just show up

653
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: as a like under somebody's post if you don't do

654
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: it because I did, like, I did comment on that.

655
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: I don't think I liked the post because I was

656
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: so distraught by it, but I didn't make a comment.

657
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: How does that get there? It's how did it just happen?

658
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: Then?

659
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: How? How is it. How is it fake? How is

660
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: it fake? Carlos? But anyway, let's move on to the show,

661
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: because maybe we need to make another topic, another show

662
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: just for this. But yeah, yeah, it's my kid we're

663
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 2: talking about, so.

664
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: No, and it's me. I'm a I'm an obly gay man,

665
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: So I I get you for sure. And again, based

666
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: on what people are saying, allegedly, they're saying this happened

667
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: a few years ago, which is why people think it

668
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: is true. They're saying that this allegedly is not a

669
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: recent pose, that this happened years ago, which is why

670
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: people believe this is true. Gretchen has now.

671
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: She's in the limelight, and now she got caught for it.

672
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: So what she got to do? You got to try

673
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: to do damage control? This is all damage control. I

674
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: don't buy it for one second, and it's disgusting, disgusting,

675
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: So I can't really give you if I feel she's

676
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: good for the show or not. I don't know how

677
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: anyone is good for a show that has that kind

678
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: of hate in their heart or that kind of you know,

679
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: I know, I don't think anyone's good for the show

680
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: like that. I do think she brings, you know, I

681
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: love a lot of her fake chanel and I like

682
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: her some of her the way that she carries herself

683
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: with her costumeish thing. I think it's kind of fun.

684
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: I do turn on the show every time and go, Okay,

685
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: what's she going to be wearing today, you know, So

686
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: it's kind of fun. And I do think she could

687
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 2: bring a lot to the show as a full time

688
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: cast mate. I think that she could. It's just I

689
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: don't know how if if this even is true or not.

690
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: I don't know where it's going to go from here,

691
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 2: but it's I don't know how anyone could want someone

692
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: employed under them with that kind of you know. I mean,

693
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: look at Heather, She's got four LGBTQ children or three

694
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: of them, three of the four, like so, I don't know.

695
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: I don't know where it can go from here.

696
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: At Carlos, I have a filming. It's going to come

697
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: up at the reunion, and I cannot wait to see

698
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: how to your point, the ladies talk about this, this

699
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: would be very very interesting. This was a Katie less episode.

700
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: Katie has emerged as somebody of the fans want to

701
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: stay on the show, not you're not on on social

702
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: media as much and I love that for you, but

703
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: I want to read you one more me probably let

704
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: you go. The fans have done a poll of who

705
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: they want back for next season, which would be the

706
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: celebration of season twenty of The Real House, Basher Bors County,

707
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: Alexis Melino. They want Vicky gobbleson.

708
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 2: Okay, they want funny and good.

709
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: This who they want to make a comeback? Vicky, Joe

710
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: and Alexis Blino.

711
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: Oh stop, no, no, they listen. They don't want Katie because.

712
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no meeting, no no meeting, no no. Okay,

713
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: so let me let me tell. Let me say everybody

714
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: so to your okay, I'll say, I'll say who they

715
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: want back? Okay. This is a poll that was ran

716
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: on Twitter by a Bravo Bravo handle, not Bravo TV verified,

717
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: but another Bravo fan handle about who they would like

718
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: to see back Seaton twenty. The names included Tamar, Judge, Heather,

719
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: Debro what I'm just here, I'm just here to report

720
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: the dows. It was Tamra, Heather, Katie, Vicky, Joe, Alexis

721
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: and they also said they would like to see Gina,

722
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: who was omitted from that list was Shannon and Emily.

723
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: Wow. I mean, honestly, Carlos, I'm shocked because I don't.

724
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: I'm not on Twitter at all, even though I should

725
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 2: make but I i'm and I'm not on Instagram, not

726
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: much other than like I told you to do some

727
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: of my things and find out weird crap like I

728
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: did about Grutching. But anyway, which I didn't even it

729
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: popped up. I was not searching. I don't search for

730
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: things on my phone anyway. That is very shocking to me.

731
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: Why is it shocking to you?

732
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I know I'm not shocked about Vicky

733
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: because Vicky is a freakin' WoT. I mean, yeah, I've

734
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: been at it. I went at her in the media

735
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: because she attacked my husband in a few weeks or

736
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 2: I'm not okay, don't okay, don't in a couple of days,

737
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: a couple of months whatever, I'm getting married. Anyway, she

738
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: attacked him on the internet and like in interviews. So

739
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: I had some harsh words for her because you don't

740
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: come after my family. People, just do not. You can

741
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: do whatever else you want, don't come after my family

742
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: or my fur babies and anyway, but when you you know,

743
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: Like I said, I tried to be unbiased doing this podcast.

744
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: She's freaking funny Carlos, and she's good on TV.

745
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: Don't you think, Oh, Vicky is one of the greatest.

746
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: Some people are her and wanted her gone, but I

747
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: think she's hysterical.

748
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: I'll say this, and again, I don't care about the

749
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: popular opinion. I've never I've never been that guy. I

750
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: will say this. I have been a fanom O Sea

751
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: since season two. I don't watch season one, and and

752
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I became a fan of the

753
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: showman Tammar when Tama joined because she brought this level

754
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: of like comedy and and honest and honestly yes show,

755
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: so I started watching season two. Vickie is definitely the

756
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: og of the OC. I am one of the rare

757
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: people possibly who enjoyed her last season when she stormed

758
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: out of like the reunion and this is I like

759
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: what a housewife said, this is my show because to me,

760
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: I like a healthy ego. So I wasn't mad about it.

761
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: I did think this. I did think, maybe give Vicky

762
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: a pause, you know, give her a season off so

763
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: she could come back and miss it. I Carlos King

764
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: one hundred percent support Vicky govleson coming back to the

765
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: show season twenty. I would love to see it. I

766
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: would love to see Joe making appearance. Joe has said

767
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: that her and Gretchen got into an argument that they

768
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: edited out allegedly. I would love it.

769
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: I know the tea behind that, Carlos, because I got

770
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: the phone call right after that from Jojo and she's like,

771
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: You're not gonna believe what just happened on this when

772
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: I was filming and then was all cut up. Well, okay,

773
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: I can't tell all. I'm not going to because I

774
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: did not get Joe's a permission and I try not to.

775
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 2: Like I might have already lost Hammer as a friend

776
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 2: from stuff I just disclosed. I cannot lose two friends

777
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: in one podcast. I can't even remember exactly what it was,

778
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: but they they like to the tea of exactly what

779
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: the argument was. But Gretchen and her were going at

780
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: it like literally like like at it, and then you know,

781
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: when you're done filming. It is kind of weird when

782
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: you're filming a show because it's like you do do that,

783
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 2: and then it's like, okay, but we're doing a job,

784
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: So okay, can we hug and go up? So what

785
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: made Joe so mad is that they edited out the

786
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: whole argument, because Joe's point would have been proven during

787
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: this argument that now I can't I'm a bad friend.

788
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly what it was. But then they

789
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: hug it out at the end, and Joe was just

790
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: she calls me and she was so ticked off. She's

791
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 2: like I hugged her and it's like she's not even nice,

792
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 2: and like we went at it and it's gonna air.

793
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to look, you know, it looks we're

794
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: gonna be yelling at each other. And then it didn't

795
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: air and it only shows them hugging. So that's just

796
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: one example of editing on a national television show that's

797
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: a reality show, and you know, one twenty fifth of

798
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: what happened to me last season, we're only saw the

799
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: certain things and everything else is cut on the chopping

800
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: worm floor. So you know, I know Joe was ticked

801
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: about that she wanted that shown because it did. I

802
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 2: don't remember. I wish. I'm biting my tongue ring because

803
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm mad at myself because I can't think of what

804
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 2: exactly the argument was about but she wanted. She almost

805
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: was more mad that it didn't air than when she

806
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: called me and she was mad that it had just happened.

807
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 2: She was mad that it didn't air because it would

808
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: have shown I guess more you know about their argument,

809
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 2: and some truth would have been shown about Joe.

810
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: So so rain drops, so catchy, All up to speed,

811
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: and we're going to move on. Joe was an original

812
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: cast member of the Real House watson Worth County who

813
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: dated Slave Okay season one, Season one, Baby season one. Okay.

814
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: The feud between Joe and Gretchen arose from their share

815
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: connection to Slay because, as I know, Gretchen is married

816
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: to Slay.

817
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: Okay, excuse me, back up. They are not married or did.

818
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 1: You're not married?

819
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: They are boyfriend and girlfriend and why do they have

820
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: heavy and wifey hanging in their house? You are not

821
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: married people. You did not go before God and say

822
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: you're vows. You are boyfriend or fiancee. But anyways, they

823
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: are not married. But now I'm kind of remembering it.

824
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: Joe was friends with Gretchen when they Gretchen started dating Slade.

825
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: That was part of the feud of why Gretchen and

826
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: Gretchen and Joe are not close anymore because and then

827
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: Joe was even because she's married now to a very

828
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: good guy, Karen Gray's she's Joe Gray now. But anyways,

829
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: she is married, and she was very hurt by the

830
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: fact that her friend would date a guy that she

831
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: was engaged to, because Slayden and Joe were engaged when

832
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: they first started the show, or maybe they got engaged

833
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: on the show. I don't remember the details on.

834
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: That, Lizzie. Yeah, yeah, that's part.

835
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: Of the beef. That's part of the beef. But Joe

836
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: was willing to move on, especially during this season when

837
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: she was coming on as like you know, cameo appearances.

838
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: She was ready to move on. She's like, look, we're

839
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: both older now, she's got a kid, I'm married. Who cares,

840
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: you know? But something happened with that. I'll get back

841
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: to you if you want to. I'll call Joe when

842
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: we get done and I'll find out for next Friday

843
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: and we can do another little recap on this.

844
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: I guess what we called that to be continued. Hey,

845
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: we've got the.

846
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: Clip figures now exactly what the fight was that was

847
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: cut out and not shown on this episode.

848
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, so I will say this rain jobs. Don't

849
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: forget that Slaid had sex with Laurie between Joe and Gretchen.

850
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 2: Huh, remember, because I went to Bravocon. This is funny, good,

851
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: This is good, guys. I went to Bravocon. And so

852
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: I'm on stage getting ready to present Vicky Gumbelson the

853
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 2: award for They flew us out for Bravocon. They flew Joe, Lorii,

854
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: Me and Gretchen out for Bravocon to present this award

855
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: to Vicky for the Original Housewife Award. And the room

856
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: is full, okay, and we're on stage, and guess what

857
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: I do. Because I'm such an idiot, I went off

858
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: script and I said, because they gave you know, they said,

859
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: what do you want to say? And then there's a

860
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: prompter and we're reading the prompt. Okay, but Alexis Bilino

861
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: just does some Alexis Billino stuff sometimes, okay.

862
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 1: And so.

863
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: It's now my cue and I go, well, as the

864
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: only housewife's standing up here that hasn't slept with Slade Smiley,

865
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: and everybody's gone because I was the only one standing

866
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: up on stage that hadn't even like you, you know,

867
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: but Anyways, Andy Cohen lost his marbles. He's like, he's like,

868
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: he gets on the mic and he goes and they

869
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: cut some of this out to show it when they're

870
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: airing everything. But he's like, uh, she did go off

871
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 2: script everyone, and she was off script. And then they're like, no,

872
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 2: Le's just get back on, like get back on. So

873
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: I got a risk slap, but then I also did

874
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: get a lot of calls from production being like that

875
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 2: was an epic good job, and I'm just like, no,

876
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: I could not say it. I couldn't. It's just funny.

877
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: It's like we can't laugh at ourselves. If we can't

878
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: laugh at ourselves, I'm getting married for the third time.

879
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: People come on, three charms a charm? If you can't

880
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: laugh at yourself, what do you have in life? Like just.

881
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: A my thing is? This? My thing is? This is

882
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: the reason why I just love you so much And

883
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: it makes me happy when I read the comments and

884
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: everybody's like, Carlos, it was not on my being a

885
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: car that I would be enjoying Alexis so much. And

886
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: they all said, Alexis, we want to see this alone

887
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: access on the show, and that's why you don't have

888
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: to say anything. It's my job. That's why I'm advocating

889
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: for that all star list, that the that the the

890
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: Bravo fans have polled, because look, you're funny. I know,

891
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but look you're hilarious and I

892
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: think I think that's that's what should happen. But I

893
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 1: will say this to close out the Joie thing. Joe

894
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: Dela Rossa did respond to Gretchen and because Gretchen was

895
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: on a podcast and said something and I just want

896
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: to read to you all what she said. Okay, because

897
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: this is what happened while talking in a car as

898
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: she was on her way to celebrate Alexis getting married

899
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: to John.

900
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: Yes, so I watched this TikTok or whatever it was.

901
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: I forget which which which platform is on, but everyone

902
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: should tune in and watch it because Joe does not

903
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 2: hold back. So go Carlos, go. No.

904
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: It was good because Joe was responding to an after

905
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: show that word Gretchen and Jennifer was talking about her.

906
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: She says, I was, first of all a little bit

907
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: surprised because it starts with Jen asking who's Joe, And

908
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: that's wild to me. I literally met Jen at the

909
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: season finale last year. We thought she was the sweetest,

910
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: nicest person I used to work for Ryan. I got

911
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: her number, I said, it was so nice to meet you.

912
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: And then I was trying to get together with her

913
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: for lunch because I have some things I wanted to

914
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: tell her. So she said it was wild that she

915
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: said that despite texting with her, and then Gretchen of

916
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: it all, Joe said, insisting that they've had a long

917
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: and messy journey. We started out years ago as friends,

918
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: even though she claims we were not friends. She then

919
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: detailed how she apologized to Gretchen a Bravo Khanna a

920
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 1: few years back, and at that time she truly meant it.

921
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: And then fast forward to this season, Joe said, Tama

922
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: breaks me to have this party. Days before we go

923
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: to her birthday, I get a podcast sent to me

924
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: and it's Gretchen talking about how desperate I am trying

925
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: to get back on the show. To me, that does

926
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: not signify somebody who is wanting to start over. When

927
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: she talked about the unaired scene between them, she did

928
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: say that she and I are not good and there

929
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 1: was an entire argument that happened at have this party

930
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: that never got shown. The only thing you saw is

931
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: her having giving me a hug. There's actually more to

932
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: that story. I thought it was weird that she came

933
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: up to me after I just got a podcast sent

934
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: to me where she's literally Alexis trashing my name. A

935
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: couple of days before I shot the episode with Tamra,

936
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: an entire blowout happened. The argument got so heated, Joe

937
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: says she. The argument got so heated that, Joe says,

938
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: Slade jump in at one point, Yes, and Joe told

939
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: him that Gretchen doesn't need a mouthpiece and she did

940
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: not need him to speak for her. Joe said, it

941
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: got ugly and it got messy. Girlfriend.

942
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: So so boys and girls, everybody, I will get the goose,

943
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 2: the juice. I was gonna say, gossip and juice, and

944
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: a came goose. Okay, I'm gonna get the juice, and

945
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: I am going to bring it next week. I know

946
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: Joe will give me the okay because Joe wants her

947
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: boys heard too. But I forget the details because there

948
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: were a couple Just so you know, there were a

949
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: couple of times Joe filmed that things didn't get shown

950
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: that you know, got chopped out so I don't remember

951
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: the details of that one specific, but I will get

952
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 2: the dirt and I will bring it to you. Carlos King.

953
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: Rain Drops. We call that a to be continued. Alexi Delino,

954
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Have a great weekend, my sister,

955
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: and you'll be back next week with all the tea

956
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: from John. See you next week, See you next week,

957
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, rain Drops. Reality with the King is executive

958
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: produced by me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and

959
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: a partnership with the Lack Effect Network. You can also

960
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: find us on my YouTube channel at the Carlos King

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00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: Underscore