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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, December tenth, and the

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Speaker 1: prosecution has rested its case against Brian Walsh, but not

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Speaker 1: before giving us one a hell of a day in court.

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Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and

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Speaker 1: TJ Robes. This this day was all about one witness.

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Speaker 1: Is that fair to say? A highly anticipated witness?

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Speaker 2: Yes, jem Mootlou. I was trying to say his name, Christ.

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Speaker 1: They were as well in court.

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Speaker 3: It's Mootlou, right, Jem Mootlou. Yes.

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Speaker 2: He was Anna Walsh's former boss and a friend to

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Speaker 2: both Anna and Brian, and most notably, he was with

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Speaker 2: them the night that everything went down on New Year's Eve.

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Speaker 3: He was with them until one thirty in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's the setup, right, that's the setup we got.

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Speaker 1: This is the night we've been hearing about. This is

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Speaker 1: very very important to hear from this witness what he saw.

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Speaker 1: You would could argue he is as key to this

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Speaker 1: story as anybody, is he not besides William Fastaw Maybe.

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Speaker 2: True because and I even think perhaps more than that,

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Speaker 2: because he had had an hour and a half two

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Speaker 2: hour phone conversation with his wife with Anna, and I

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Speaker 2: guess a forty five minute one the day before where

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Speaker 2: she was, according to him, venting and talking about her marriage.

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Speaker 2: And then he got to witness the couple together that night.

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Speaker 2: Did they fight, did they drink too much? What were

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Speaker 2: they like? He's the only person who could actually give

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Speaker 1: So this sounds like it should be simple. Get on

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Speaker 1: the stand, we'll ask you what you saw, and there

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Speaker 1: you have it. Folks, this was a mess of a

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Speaker 1: day in court. I don't know how the prosecution is

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Speaker 1: going to think this was a winning final day for them.

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Speaker 1: This witness was a mess from jump Street and the

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Speaker 1: reason romees we got off to a slow start or

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Speaker 1: a late start. I should say. The jury didn't even

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Speaker 1: come until ten o'clock. She told him yesterday, I don't

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Speaker 1: question him outside the jury. It was a shit show

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Speaker 1: trying to get him to answer questions.

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Speaker 2: Right because he said it was three years ago. I

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Speaker 2: don't remember exactly what the conversation was that I had

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Speaker 2: with Anna that forty five minute one. I believe it

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Speaker 2: was on December twenty ninth, and since it was three

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Speaker 2: years ago. I can't remember the exact words, and the

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Speaker 2: judge said, that's fine, you don't have to know the

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Speaker 3: Paraphrase what she said. He just couldn't do it.

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Speaker 2: He kept saying, she told me about their marital problems,

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Speaker 2: and then every time there would be an objection because

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Speaker 2: that was him basically categorizing it or characterizing what it was.

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Speaker 3: She said, now, what did she say?

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Speaker 1: But we went round and round him characterizing it as

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Speaker 1: marital issues. He said, I walked away from the conversation

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Speaker 1: with the feeling. I think he kept saying the feeling

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Speaker 1: that there were marital issues. That doesn't work in courts.

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Speaker 1: So we're going round and round, attorneys and the judge.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is almost scolding him, trying to get him to understand.

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Speaker 1: He can't do it. So now he freezes up even more,

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Speaker 1: I would argue, and he though Robes never was able

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Speaker 1: to give any testimony about something she said that suggests

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was almost after and we were all thankful.

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Speaker 2: A certain point, the prosecution just said never mind because

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Speaker 2: they couldn't get him to answer. And you just kept saying, well,

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Speaker 2: I don't remember the exact words. And that was really

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Speaker 2: frustrating because it's like, Okay, well that's fine, but you

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Speaker 3: Can't.

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Speaker 2: You can't say it made me feel like they had

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Speaker 2: marital problems. So that was a whole whole mess.

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Speaker 1: Well, it didn't feel like he was trying to fill

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Speaker 1: It just he wasn't a good witness for the prosecution.

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Speaker 1: And even if there was information in there that was helpful,

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Speaker 1: When the jury finally came in and he did give testimony,

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Speaker 1: and no, you can it seemed like it did. It

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Speaker 3: It was messy. Yeah, it was very, very very messy.

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Speaker 2: And what Jem did and what he was able to

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Speaker 2: First of all, he said that it was a festive,

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Speaker 3: Even that went around and around a bit, but he

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Speaker 2: That and then asked, this was really interesting when he

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Speaker 2: when he said that Brian called him on January fourth,

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Speaker 2: several days later and said that he had not seen

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Speaker 2: was did you have an argument?

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Speaker 3: Did you have a fight?

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Speaker 2: And he said it was a strange response because he said,

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Speaker 2: Brian said, no, did it look like we had an argument.

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Speaker 2: You were there, But he just said he was so

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Speaker 2: even keeled, he was so not panicked that he was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, hasn't everyone described him and everything we've seen,

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Speaker 1: even though the police video, audio and video, we haven't

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Speaker 1: seen him worked up or anybody testified to him having

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Speaker 2: Have we no? And but also unemotional when it comes

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Speaker 2: just seemed so robotic about it all, so calm, not

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Speaker 2: That was something that has been very eerie to watch

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Speaker 1: He confirmed what was and again I felt at times

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Speaker 1: he was even begrudgingly admitting that they were a loving couple.

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Speaker 1: He had to admit, yes, she loved and was in

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Speaker 1: And the night sounded really fun. Yeah, the sun came

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Speaker 1: and hung out for a little while. The witness today,

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Speaker 1: his own. Yes, like they were that kind of close.

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Speaker 1: That night sounded fun. They showed the box, the champagne

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Speaker 1: messages looking forward to the future. He described, Now, this

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Speaker 2: That is exactly what Mutloud testified to. And yes, reading

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Speaker 2: we made it. We're still here and together. And it

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Speaker 2: just to think that that was her last night, the

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Speaker 3: New Year's Eve.

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Speaker 2: And he got emotional a couple of times too, like

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Speaker 2: you know, actually got choked up when he was testifying

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Speaker 2: about Anna and about their relationship. But he the last

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Speaker 2: when they tried a final time to discuss how Anna

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Speaker 2: He said, she said there were cracks in the marriage.

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Speaker 2: Immediate objection and overruled. But I wonder still even though

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Speaker 2: and he said that many different ways, each time there

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Speaker 2: was an objection, each time it was sustained, excuse me,

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Speaker 2: not overruled. The jury still hears it. And that's what

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Speaker 2: I leaned over and looked at you, and I said,

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Speaker 2: the jury still hears that. They're hearing him say that,

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Speaker 2: and that still has an impact.

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Speaker 1: And there was a lot of that today to the

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Speaker 1: point it was hard to keep up. It was hard

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Speaker 1: to find a flow, It was hard to find a story.

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Speaker 1: Even the attorneys on the prosecution side at least struggled

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Speaker 1: to build sentences or questions the right way that wouldn't

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Speaker 1: get an objection. It was just a lot of that

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Speaker 1: today that didn't necessarily tell much of a story you had.

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Speaker 1: You know what, if you're on the jury, yes it's there,

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Speaker 1: but you had to find it for yourself. Nobody put

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Speaker 2: That is exactly true. I remember just thinking, why can't

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Speaker 2: It's not obviously a parole officer, but it was someone

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Speaker 2: house arrest with I don't know if he had a monitor.

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Speaker 2: I believe he must have had some sort of ankle

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Speaker 3: But even going through what he was.

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Speaker 2: Allowed to do and what he wasn't allowed to do,

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Speaker 2: I didn't understand what she was getting at. Are you

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Speaker 2: saying that he planned a fake six hour window that

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Speaker 2: he claims he was driving his mother back home from

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Speaker 2: surgery when clearly we all know now during that period

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Speaker 2: was the implication that he had premeditated that so made

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Speaker 2: But they never brought it home. They never made it

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Speaker 2: make sense. And I just didn't understand what the point

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Speaker 2: of any of that testimony was.

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Speaker 1: And we listened to every single second of that, we

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Speaker 1: were paying close attention, and we couldn't figure that out. Look,

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Speaker 1: maybe we're just not good listeners, and maybe the jury

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Speaker 1: is putting this together just fine. But it was a

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Speaker 1: mess of a day. It was the biggest day in

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways, and it was their final day

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Speaker 1: the prosecution has now put on its case. What's next

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Speaker 1: we do not know. But some of the things we've

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Speaker 1: including the final witness of the day was a friend

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Speaker 1: of Anna Walsh, and she put into testimony some things

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Speaker 1: we have not heard yet in this trial. Will explain

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Speaker 1: what that was about. And also how did a psychic

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Speaker 1: come into play today in testimony.

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Speaker 2: Stay here, welcome back everyone, as we talk about day

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Speaker 2: eight in the Brian Walsh trial. And this was a

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Speaker 2: huge day. It turned out to be the final day

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Speaker 2: for the prosecution, starting off with the man who was

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Speaker 2: with the Walshes until one thirty in the morning, the

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Speaker 2: night that Anna Walsh died and ultimately disappeared forever. So

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Speaker 2: we had his testimony. But another big name and the

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Speaker 2: final witness was Anna Walsh's close friend. Her name was

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Speaker 2: it's her last name's Kirby. What was her first name?

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Speaker 2: I just completely lost her first name, but her, one

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Speaker 2: of her best friends, testified and I thought what she

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Speaker 2: had to say was very, very eye opening and certainly

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Speaker 2: this was a win for the prosecution with this particular witness.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess yes, it depends on how you or

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Speaker 1: how they hope the jury is going to interpret this.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised to hear, right. They talked to plenty

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Speaker 1: that the defense was saying that he didn't know about

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Speaker 1: not a jealous man. And they made that point with

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Speaker 1: the previous that's Trus who was the guy who was

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Speaker 1: with him. Men, they asked, Hey, you did did Brian

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Speaker 1: ever express jealousy or anything that you two spent more

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Speaker 1: time so much time. No, we were all very close.

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Speaker 1: So they've been setting this up, is what I am saying.

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Speaker 1: That he is not a jealous person. But I didn't

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Speaker 1: see it coming that he was aware that his wife

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Speaker 1: having an affair with. And then who actually told him

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Speaker 1: about the crush.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so that was really interesting.

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Speaker 2: It's Alyssa Kirby, by the way, I did find her

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Speaker 2: first name, but that Alyssa said that Anna told her

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Speaker 2: that she and Brian didn't keep secrets, that they told

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Speaker 2: each other everything, and that she almost wished he was

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Speaker 2: more jealous. The defense attorney got her to admit that,

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Speaker 2: which I thought was really really interesting. She's like, well,

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Speaker 2: you know the way a girl wants a guy to

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Speaker 2: maybe you know, put her first or whatever. But that

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Speaker 2: definitely stuck with me that she said that. But she

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Speaker 2: also gave us some insight into where Anna Walsh's head

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Speaker 2: was in the days right before she died on December

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Speaker 2: twenty ninth, they hung out. She's saying that Anna Walsh

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Speaker 2: is basically saying her life is a mess, that she's

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Speaker 2: at a breaking point. So we had not heard that before,

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Speaker 2: that she was not in a good place in her

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Speaker 2: marriage and she was spilling this all out to her

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Speaker 2: on December twenty ninth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So again, I don't know how the prosecution felt

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Speaker 1: about how they finished up their day, if they felt

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Speaker 1: they finished up strong, but that is it. As of now,

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Speaker 1: we don't know the list of what the defense is

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Speaker 1: possibly going to put on starting tomorrow. They are anticipating

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Speaker 1: to be back at at starting at nine am and

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Speaker 1: the Brian Wallsh trial. It will be day nine of

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Speaker 1: testimony tomorrow. Folks will keep a close eye on go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have the psychic to tell you about too,

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Speaker 2: because that was the other thing you tease.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure.

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Speaker 2: Basically, Alyssa Kirby said that Anna Walsh told her that

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Speaker 2: Brian's mother went to a psychic.

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Speaker 3: Are you following me?

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Speaker 2: I know that's confusing, but that Brian's mother's psychic told

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Speaker 2: Brian's mother that Anna was having an affair. So the

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Speaker 2: implication would be that Brian might have asked her about it.

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Speaker 2: Ha ha, Are you having an affair? My mom's psychic

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Speaker 2: said you were, so there was some implication that there

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Speaker 2: was a conversation at least about something Brian's mom's psychic

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Speaker 2: told her about Anna. So that was another little interesting

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Speaker 2: part of her testimony.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how much more interesting things will get tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on on it. Back to the trial.

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Speaker 1: Nine am from now, I'm TJ. Holmes on behalf of

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Speaker 1: my dear Amy Robot. We'll talk to Ulster